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Title: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on August 18, 2009, 11:28:53 AM
Since apparently the season is over, have at it. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/2010-mlb-free-a.html)

Could Harden stay healthy enough to make signing him worth it?  He's been a beast down the stretch.

Second half, in 6 starts: 2-1, 1.95 ERA, 37 IP, 19 H, 11 BB, 47 SO, 0.81 WHIP, 11.4 SO/9
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on August 18, 2009, 11:32:58 AM
I can't wait for another offseason of Miguel Tejada to my kubbeez talk.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ivy6 on August 18, 2009, 11:35:40 AM
QuoteStarting pitchers
Mark Prior (28)

Profit.

fuck i forgot he's a free agent now but whatever.  /edit
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on August 18, 2009, 11:35:53 AM
Oh, I forgot, crippling contracts!!!!  We broke!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 01:05:08 PM
Z: full no-trade clause

Soriano: full no-trade clause

Ramirez: full no-trade clause through 2010

D-Lee: no-trade clause

Lilly: no-trade protection

Fukudome: no-trade protection

(Info courtesy of Cot's Baseball Contracts)

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on August 18, 2009, 01:07:27 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 01:05:08 PM
Z: full no-trade clause

Soriano: full no-trade clause

Ramirez: full no-trade clause through 2010

D-Lee: no-trade clause

Lilly: no-trade protection

Fukudome: no-trade protection

(Info courtesy of Cot's Baseball Contracts)



DOOOOOOOOO...oh, never mind, we want those guys.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 01:08:48 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 01:05:08 PM
Z: full no-trade clause

Soriano: full no-trade clause

Ramirez: full no-trade clause through 2010

D-Lee: no-trade clause

Lilly: no-trade protection

Fukudome: no-trade protection

(Info courtesy of Cot's Baseball Contracts)
With Lilly and Lee in contract years in 2010, I'm sure they could be coaxed to waive their clauses in exchange for contract extensions.  That is, if your goal is dismantling the team.

The others are not going anywhere.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 01:09:31 PM
That's the point. They can't go anywhere, so trading isn't an option.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:15:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 01:08:48 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 01:05:08 PM
Z: full no-trade clause

Soriano: full no-trade clause

Ramirez: full no-trade clause through 2010

D-Lee: no-trade clause

Lilly: no-trade protection

Fukudome: no-trade protection

(Info courtesy of Cot's Baseball Contracts)
With Lilly and Lee in contract years in 2010, I'm sure they could be coaxed to waive their clauses in exchange for contract extensions.  That is, if your goal is dismantling the team.

The others are not going anywhere.

Who, besides Gregg, isn't under contract for next year?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ivy6 on August 18, 2009, 01:28:55 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 01:05:08 PM
Z: full no-trade clause

Soriano: full no-trade clause

Ramirez: full no-trade clause through 2010

D-Lee: no-trade clause

Lilly: no-trade protection

Fukudome: no-trade protection

(Info courtesy of Cot's Baseball Contracts)



Doesn't the Shark have a no-trade as well?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 01:30:34 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on August 18, 2009, 01:28:55 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 01:05:08 PM
Z: full no-trade clause

Soriano: full no-trade clause

Ramirez: full no-trade clause through 2010

D-Lee: no-trade clause

Lilly: no-trade protection

Fukudome: no-trade protection

(Info courtesy of Cot's Baseball Contracts)



Doesn't the Shark have a no-trade as well?

Yes, according to Cot's Baseball Contracts (http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html), which is usually pretty reliable.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 01:39:07 PM
Cubs free agents are Harden, Gregg, Reed Johnson, and Grabow. They also have about $2.6 million coming off for what they were on the hook for Marquis, Bako, and Gaudin, but it looks like they owe Luis Vizcaino abot half-a-mil. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:41:24 PM
Looks like Heilman is free after this year as well. Let him and Gregg walk for sure.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: *In a Nutsack on August 18, 2009, 02:38:40 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:41:24 PM
Looks like Heilman is free after this year as well. Let him and Gregg walk for sure.

Aaron fucking Miles is making $4.9MM over two years?  I'm getting FDB-type apoplectic looking at that.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on August 18, 2009, 02:38:40 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:41:24 PM
Looks like Heilman is free after this year as well. Let him and Gregg walk for sure.

Aaron fucking Miles is making $4.9MM over two years?  I'm getting FDB-type apoplectic looking at that.

Hey, teams were clamoring for his services this winter. Had to sweeten the pot to close the deal...
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 04:08:22 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:41:24 PM
Looks like Heilman is free after this year as well. Let him and Gregg walk for sure.

Heilman is arbitration-eligible. Full free agfency is in 2011.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 04:21:33 PM
Well fuck.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 04:32:20 PM
Satanic Fowl free agents after the 2009 season:

The Genius

Matt Holliday

DeRo

Piniero

Ankiel

LaRue

Wellemeyer

Franklin

Glaus

Trever Miller

Krazy Khalil Greene

Cot's Contracts estimates the Fowl has $50.5 million in committed salary for 2010 (for comparison purposes, they estimate the Cubs have nearly $120 miilion on the line). That's a lot of money freed up, but that's a lot of talent to re-sign or replace. Albie has a $16 million club option in 2011.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on August 18, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 01:08:48 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 01:05:08 PM
Z: full no-trade clause

Soriano: full no-trade clause

Ramirez: full no-trade clause through 2010

D-Lee: no-trade clause

Lilly: no-trade protection

Fukudome: no-trade protection

(Info courtesy of Cot's Baseball Contracts)
With Lilly and Lee in contract years in 2010, I'm sure they could be coaxed to waive their clauses in exchange for contract extensions.  That is, if your goal is dismantling the team.

The others are not going anywhere.

Oh no!  You mean the Cubs are stuck with E-ramis and Z one more year of Kosuke?  Dooom!

The only bad contracts on the team are Soriano's (which we've known along would be bad, just not this soon) and maybe Dempster's. 

Blaming any future Cubs' woes on the long term contracts is just wrong.  Blaming it on no trades is just a little bit less wrong.

A good GM would do fine with this roster.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 04:50:11 PM
Quote from: Andy on August 18, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
Oh no!  You mean the Cubs are stuck with E-ramis and Z one more year of Kosuke?  Dooom!

The only bad contracts on the team are Soriano's (which we've known along would be bad, just not this soon) and maybe Dempster's. 

Blaming any future Cubs' woes on the long term contracts is just wrong.  Blaming it on no trades is just a little bit less wrong.

A good GM would do fine with this roster.
The contracts are certainly a problem in 2010.  You are looking at at least $123 million for 13 players (assuming you offer arbitration to Guzman, Marshal and Marmol and that Harden does not return).  The other 12 get a minimum of $400,000.  Payroll for 2010 is not under $130 million without a major trade.

After that, it starts to get better.  By 2012, they only have $54 million committed to 3 players: Z, A Sor and Dempster.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: Andy on August 18, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
A good GM would do fine with this roster.
A good GM would never have this roster.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on August 18, 2009, 09:36:04 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: Andy on August 18, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
A good GM would do fine with this roster.
A good GM would never have this roster.
A good poster would not have taken four hours in between posts to come up with that little zinger.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on August 18, 2009, 09:41:20 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: Andy on August 18, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
A good GM would do fine with this roster.
A good GM would never have this roster.

How's Hendry's contract in your opinion? I'm fascinated.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

    * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
    * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???   

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

    * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
    * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???   

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Jesus Fucking Christ
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on August 19, 2009, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

    * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
    * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???   

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Jesus Fucking Christ

Very helpful.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2839346

Yeah, he's owed through this season. I didn't know the Cubs took that money on though. It's off the books after this year regardless.

You should throat punch yourself because you have to watch that offense.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on August 19, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

    * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
    * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???   

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Jesus Fucking Christ

Very helpful.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2839346

Yeah, he's owed through this season. I didn't know the Cubs took that money on though. It's off the books after this year regardless.

You should throat punch yourself because you have to watch that offense.

Looks like they didn't. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551412/Sources:-O%27s-on-verge-of-deal-to-trade-OF-Freel) Not that I'd expect the Ghost of LoneStar to look it up before rending his britches.

QuoteThe deal is cash-neutral, according to one source. The Cubs will pay the balance of Gathright's $800,000 salary for 2009 with the O's paying the balance of Freel's — about $3.3 million.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on August 19, 2009, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

    * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
    * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???   

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Jesus Fucking Christ

Very helpful.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2839346

Yeah, he's owed through this season. I didn't know the Cubs took that money on though. It's off the books after this year regardless.

You should throat punch yourself because you have to watch that offense.

Looks like they didn't. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551412/Sources:-O%27s-on-verge-of-deal-to-trade-OF-Freel) Not that I'd expect the Ghost of LoneStar to look it up before rending his britches.

QuoteThe deal is cash-neutral, according to one source. The Cubs will pay the balance of Gathright's $800,000 salary for 2009 with the O's paying the balance of Freel's — about $3.3 million.

That's fuckin' teamwork.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 02:14:01 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

    * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
    * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???   

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Jesus Fucking Christ

Very helpful.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2839346

Yeah, he's owed through this season. I didn't know the Cubs took that money on though. It's off the books after this year regardless.

You should throat punch yourself because you have to watch that offense.

Looks like they didn't. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551412/Sources:-O%27s-on-verge-of-deal-to-trade-OF-Freel) Not that I'd expect the Ghost of LoneStar to look it up before rending his britches.

QuoteThe deal is cash-neutral, according to one source. The Cubs will pay the balance of Gathright's $800,000 salary for 2009 with the O's paying the balance of Freel's — about $3.3 million.

That's fuckin' teamwork.

Thanks for the effort, RV.   

It seemed extremely odd that the Cubs would owe that much on Freel. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on August 19, 2009, 02:45:07 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 02:14:01 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

    * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
    * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???   

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Jesus Fucking Christ

Very helpful.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2839346

Yeah, he's owed through this season. I didn't know the Cubs took that money on though. It's off the books after this year regardless.

You should throat punch yourself because you have to watch that offense.

Looks like they didn't. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551412/Sources:-O%27s-on-verge-of-deal-to-trade-OF-Freel) Not that I'd expect the Ghost of LoneStar to look it up before rending his britches.

QuoteThe deal is cash-neutral, according to one source. The Cubs will pay the balance of Gathright's $800,000 salary for 2009 with the O's paying the balance of Freel's — about $3.3 million.

That's fuckin' teamwork.

Thanks for the effort, RV.   

It seemed extremely odd that the Cubs would owe that much on Freel. 

Have you not seen the CONTRACTS HENDRY GIVES OUT LIKE CANDY?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on August 19, 2009, 02:48:33 PM
Quote from: BH on August 19, 2009, 02:45:07 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 02:14:01 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

    * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
    * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???   

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Jesus Fucking Christ

Very helpful.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2839346

Yeah, he's owed through this season. I didn't know the Cubs took that money on though. It's off the books after this year regardless.

You should throat punch yourself because you have to watch that offense.

Looks like they didn't. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551412/Sources:-O%27s-on-verge-of-deal-to-trade-OF-Freel) Not that I'd expect the Ghost of LoneStar to look it up before rending his britches.

QuoteThe deal is cash-neutral, according to one source. The Cubs will pay the balance of Gathright's $800,000 salary for 2009 with the O's paying the balance of Freel's — about $3.3 million.

That's fuckin' teamwork.

Thanks for the effort, RV.   

It seemed extremely odd that the Cubs would owe that much on Freel. 

Have you not seen the CONTRACTS HENDRY GIVES OUT LIKE CANDY?

Can't you stop thinking about food for like five fucking minutes, tubby?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 02:50:05 PM
Quote from: BH on August 19, 2009, 02:45:07 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 02:14:01 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

   * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
   * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???  

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Jesus Fucking Christ

Very helpful.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2839346

Yeah, he's owed through this season. I didn't know the Cubs took that money on though. It's off the books after this year regardless.

You should throat punch yourself because you have to watch that offense.

Looks like they didn't. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551412/Sources:-O%27s-on-verge-of-deal-to-trade-OF-Freel) Not that I'd expect the Ghost of LoneStar to look it up before rending his britches.

QuoteThe deal is cash-neutral, according to one source. The Cubs will pay the balance of Gathright's $800,000 salary for 2009 with the O's paying the balance of Freel's — about $3.3 million.

That's fuckin' teamwork.

Thanks for the effort, RV.    

It seemed extremely odd that the Cubs would owe that much on Freel.  

Have you not seen the CONTRACTS HENDRY GIVES OUT LIKE CANDY?

True.  Still, eating $4M on Ryan Freel would be retarded even by Jim Hendry standards.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on August 19, 2009, 02:53:19 PM
Unless Marmol flips a switch and reverts to his 2007/2008 walk rates now that he's closer, I wouldn't mind signing Rafael Soriano (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriara01.shtml) or Mike Gonzalez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gonzami02.shtml?redir) to close next year. I'm assuming they won't command giant Francisco Cordero-esque contracts since they don't have the gaudy save numbers that give boners to a large number of GMs, and they've both had some injury issues.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 02:53:19 PM
Unless Marmol flips a switch and reverts to his 2007/2008 walk rates now that he's closer, I wouldn't mind signing Rafael Soriano (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriara01.shtml) or Mike Gonzalez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gonzami02.shtml?redir) to close next year. I'm assuming they won't command giant Francisco Cordero-esque contracts since they don't have the gaudy save numbers that give boners to a large number of GMs, and they've both had some injury issues.
That could cut my Soriano hate by 50%.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on August 19, 2009, 03:22:26 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 02:53:19 PM
Unless Marmol flips a switch and reverts to his 2007/2008 walk rates now that he's closer, I wouldn't mind signing Rafael Soriano (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriara01.shtml) or Mike Gonzalez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gonzami02.shtml?redir) to close next year. I'm assuming they won't command giant Francisco Cordero-esque contracts since they don't have the gaudy save numbers that give boners to a large number of GMs, and they've both had some injury issues.
That could cut my Soriano hate by 50%.

One more Latin player to share your hate?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on August 19, 2009, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 02:53:19 PM
Unless Marmol flips a switch and reverts to his 2007/2008 walk rates now that he's closer, I wouldn't mind signing Rafael Soriano (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriara01.shtml) or Mike Gonzalez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gonzami02.shtml?redir) to close next year. I'm assuming they won't command giant Francisco Cordero-esque contracts since they don't have the gaudy save numbers that give boners to a large number of GMs, and they've both had some injury issues.
That could cut my Soriano hate by 50%.

Great, Chuck.

While I've got my GM beanie on, are the Brewers intent on dumping Hardy this offseason? The guy had an awful year, but he still plays very good defense, and was a top 5-ish shortstop in 2007 and 2008. I'd take a flyer on him.

Edited to add statfaggotry: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hardy-and-service-time (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hardy-and-service-time)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2009, 03:29:53 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 19, 2009, 03:22:26 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
That could cut my Soriano hate by 50%.

One more Latin player to share your hate?
Neifi's coming back?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on August 19, 2009, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2009, 03:29:53 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 19, 2009, 03:22:26 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
That could cut my Soriano hate by 50%.

One more Latin player to share your hate?
Neifi's coming back?

Have Chuck and Kurt been the same person all along? I don't get this.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on August 19, 2009, 03:43:38 PM
Quote from: BH on August 19, 2009, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2009, 03:29:53 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 19, 2009, 03:22:26 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
That could cut my Soriano hate by 50%.

One more Latin player to share your hate?
Neifi's coming back?

Have Chuck and Kurt been the same person all along? I don't get this.

So this whole time we've been a photoshop inside an autistic internet kid's snowglobe?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on August 19, 2009, 03:45:01 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 02:53:19 PM
Unless Marmol flips a switch and reverts to his 2007/2008 walk rates now that he's closer, I wouldn't mind signing Rafael Soriano (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriara01.shtml) or Mike Gonzalez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gonzami02.shtml?redir) to close next year. I'm assuming they won't command giant Francisco Cordero-esque contracts since they don't have the gaudy save numbers that give boners to a large number of GMs, and they've both had some injury issues.
That could cut my Soriano hate by 50%.

Great, Chuck.

While I've got my GM beanie on, are the Brewers intent on dumping Hardy this offseason? The guy had an awful year, but he still plays very good defense, and was a top 5-ish shortstop in 2007 and 2008. I'd take a flyer on him.

Edited to add statfaggotry: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hardy-and-service-time (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hardy-and-service-time)

I would absolutely take a flyer on JJ Hardy. But the Theriot love is too strong. For Hardy to come here, Hendry probably has to go.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on August 19, 2009, 03:49:02 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 03:45:01 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 02:53:19 PM
Unless Marmol flips a switch and reverts to his 2007/2008 walk rates now that he's closer, I wouldn't mind signing Rafael Soriano (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriara01.shtml) or Mike Gonzalez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gonzami02.shtml?redir) to close next year. I'm assuming they won't command giant Francisco Cordero-esque contracts since they don't have the gaudy save numbers that give boners to a large number of GMs, and they've both had some injury issues.
That could cut my Soriano hate by 50%.

Great, Chuck.

While I've got my GM beanie on, are the Brewers intent on dumping Hardy this offseason? The guy had an awful year, but he still plays very good defense, and was a top 5-ish shortstop in 2007 and 2008. I'd take a flyer on him.

Edited to add statfaggotry: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hardy-and-service-time (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hardy-and-service-time)

I'd would absolutely take a flyer on JJ Hardy. But the Theriot love is too strong. For Hardy to come here, Hendry probably has to go.

It looks like a trade is the only way to improve at SS, unless Starlin Castro and/or Hak-Ju Lee can age 4 years during the offseason. Just look at this collection of old/shitty shortstops:

QuoteOrlando Cabrera (35)
Alex Cora (34)
Craig Counsell (39)
Bobby Crosby (30)
Adam Everett (33)
Chris Gomez (39)
Alex Gonzalez (32)
Khalil Greene (30)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (34)
John McDonald (35)
Marco Scutaro (34)
Miguel Tejada (36)
Omar Vizquel (43)
Jack Wilson (32)

And second base is just as terrible.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on August 19, 2009, 04:27:05 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 03:45:01 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 02:53:19 PM
Unless Marmol flips a switch and reverts to his 2007/2008 walk rates now that he's closer, I wouldn't mind signing Rafael Soriano (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriara01.shtml) or Mike Gonzalez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gonzami02.shtml?redir) to close next year. I'm assuming they won't command giant Francisco Cordero-esque contracts since they don't have the gaudy save numbers that give boners to a large number of GMs, and they've both had some injury issues.
That could cut my Soriano hate by 50%.

Great, Chuck.

While I've got my GM beanie on, are the Brewers intent on dumping Hardy this offseason? The guy had an awful year, but he still plays very good defense, and was a top 5-ish shortstop in 2007 and 2008. I'd take a flyer on him.

Edited to add statfaggotry: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hardy-and-service-time (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hardy-and-service-time)

I would absolutely take a flyer on JJ Hardy. But the Theriot love is too strong. For Hardy to come here, Hendry probably has to go.

Since Theriot is the root of all that is wrong with this team, replacing him with a guy who's been sent to the minors by a third-place team is BRILLIANT!!!

Of course, moving The Riot to 2B and playing Hardy at SS would be an interesting thought, but even the evil Theriot couldn't supplant the Baker/Fontenot/Miles/Blanco quartet!!!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on August 19, 2009, 04:36:05 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 19, 2009, 04:27:05 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 03:45:01 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 02:53:19 PM
Unless Marmol flips a switch and reverts to his 2007/2008 walk rates now that he's closer, I wouldn't mind signing Rafael Soriano (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriara01.shtml) or Mike Gonzalez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gonzami02.shtml?redir) to close next year. I'm assuming they won't command giant Francisco Cordero-esque contracts since they don't have the gaudy save numbers that give boners to a large number of GMs, and they've both had some injury issues.
That could cut my Soriano hate by 50%.

Great, Chuck.

While I've got my GM beanie on, are the Brewers intent on dumping Hardy this offseason? The guy had an awful year, but he still plays very good defense, and was a top 5-ish shortstop in 2007 and 2008. I'd take a flyer on him.

Edited to add statfaggotry: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hardy-and-service-time (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hardy-and-service-time)

I would absolutely take a flyer on JJ Hardy. But the Theriot love is too strong. For Hardy to come here, Hendry probably has to go.

Since Theriot is the root of all that is wrong with this team, replacing him with a guy who's been sent to the minors by a third-place team is BRILLIANT!!!

Of course, moving The Riot to 2B and playing Hardy at SS would be an interesting thought, but even the evil Theriot couldn't supplant the Baker/Fontenot/Miles/Blanco quartet!!!

Are you related to Theriot?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 04:39:50 PM
Moving Theriot to second isn't the worst idea in the world assuming they could find an adult-sized human to play shortstop. But, judging by the list of free agent suck that is available finding a new SS doesn't look likely unless Hendry can find somebody willing to take the garbage contracts he has to peddle.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Simmer on August 19, 2009, 04:48:12 PM
Why wait until 2010 to fix this shit?  It'd only take one move to right the ship.


DFA Aaron Miles
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 04:52:33 PM
Quote from: Simmer on August 19, 2009, 04:48:12 PM
Why wait until 2010 to fix this shit?  It'd only take one move to right the ship.


DFA Aaron Miles

If they canned him and played the rest of the year with 24 guys they'd get just as much production out of that empty roster spot.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on August 19, 2009, 05:02:52 PM
I'd be willing to take one for the team and provide Aaron Miles' production for absolutely no salary.  You're welcome, Jim.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2009, 05:07:10 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on August 19, 2009, 05:02:52 PM
I'd be willing to take one for the team and provide Aaron Miles' production for absolutely no salary.  You're welcome, Jim.
You could triple his production.  Miles only sees one pitcher per at bat.  You'd see at least three.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on August 19, 2009, 05:21:56 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 19, 2009, 04:27:05 PM
Since Theriot is the root of all that is wrong with this team, replacing him with a guy who's been sent to the minors by a third-place team is BRILLIANT!!!

Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 04:36:05 PM
Are you related to Theriot?

This.

Hardy has struggled this year, but he put up an OPS above .800 over the course of 1,300 plate appearances in 2007 and 2008 in his age 24 and 25 seasons (including 50 homers during those two years; it could take Theriot 15 seasons to hit 50 homers).  He's three years younger than Theriot.  He can actually field and throw like a real major-league shortstop.  Hardy is much better at baseball than Theriot and it's not close.

Holy crap, I need a new shtick.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on August 19, 2009, 05:37:46 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 19, 2009, 05:21:56 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 19, 2009, 04:27:05 PM
Since Theriot is the root of all that is wrong with this team, replacing him with a guy who's been sent to the minors by a third-place team is BRILLIANT!!!

Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 04:36:05 PM
Are you related to Theriot?

This.

Hardy has struggled this year, but he put up an OPS above .800 over the course of 1,300 plate appearances in 2007 and 2008 in his age 24 and 25 seasons (including 50 homers during those two years; it could take Theriot 15 seasons to hit 50 homers).  He's three years younger than Theriot.  He can actually field and throw like a real major-league shortstop.  Hardy is much better at baseball than Theriot and it's not close.

Holy crap, I need a new shtick.

Theriot has heart. You can't put a price on that. Plus, he was the starting shortstop for two NL Central championships. That's two plus priceless. How many starting gigs on an NL Central championship baseball club has J.J. Hardy had? Add those up, Poindexter.


Zero.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ivy6 on August 19, 2009, 05:39:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 19, 2009, 05:21:56 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 19, 2009, 04:27:05 PM
Since Theriot is the root of all that is wrong with this team, replacing him with a guy who's been sent to the minors by a third-place team is BRILLIANT!!!

Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 04:36:05 PM
Are you related to Theriot?

This.

Hardy has struggled this year, but he put up an OPS above .800 over the course of 1,300 plate appearances in 2007 and 2008 in his age 24 and 25 seasons (including 50 homers during those two years; it could take Theriot 15 seasons to hit 50 homers).  He's three years younger than Theriot.  He can actually field and throw like a real major-league shortstop.  Hardy is much better at baseball than Theriot and it's not close.

Holy crap, I need a new shtick.

You could wear a funny hat while you post.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 06:23:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 19, 2009, 05:21:56 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 19, 2009, 04:27:05 PM
Since Theriot is the root of all that is wrong with this team, replacing him with a guy who's been sent to the minors by a third-place team is BRILLIANT!!!

Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 04:36:05 PM
Are you related to Theriot?

This.

Hardy has struggled this year, but he put up an OPS above .800 over the course of 1,300 plate appearances in 2007 and 2008 in his age 24 and 25 seasons (including 50 homers during those two years; it could take Theriot 15 seasons to hit 50 homers).  He's three years younger than Theriot.  He can actually field and throw like a real major-league shortstop.  Hardy is much better at baseball than Theriot and it's not close.

Holy crap, I need a new shtick.

Despite my hatred of everything cheesehead...

THIS
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on August 19, 2009, 09:40:58 PM
JJ Hardy: 11 HR, 45 RBIs in 102 games.
Milton Bradley: 8 HR, 30 RBIs in 98 games.

Nice choice, Hendry.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on August 20, 2009, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 19, 2009, 09:40:58 PM
JJ Hardy: 11 HR, 45 RBIs in 102 games.
Milton Bradley: 8 HR, 30 RBIs in 98 games.

Nice choice, Hendry.

Not sure if you saw this but Milt had three more walks today. FUCK HIM.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on August 20, 2009, 07:07:14 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 19, 2009, 05:21:56 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 19, 2009, 04:27:05 PM
Since Theriot is the root of all that is wrong with this team, replacing him with a guy who's been sent to the minors by a third-place team is BRILLIANT!!!

Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 04:36:05 PM
Are you related to Theriot?

This.

Hardy has struggled this year, but he put up an OPS above .800 over the course of 1,300 plate appearances in 2007 and 2008 in his age 24 and 25 seasons (including 50 homers during those two years; it could take Theriot 15 seasons to hit 50 homers).  He's three years younger than Theriot.  He can actually field and throw like a real major-league shortstop.  Hardy is much better at baseball than Theriot and it's not close.

Holy crap, I need a new shtick.


Don't you change.  Don't you dare ever change.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on August 20, 2009, 08:25:45 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 20, 2009, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 19, 2009, 09:40:58 PM
JJ Hardy: 11 HR, 45 RBIs in 102 games.
Milton Bradley: 8 HR, 30 RBIs in 98 games.

Nice choice, Hendry.

Not sure if you saw this but Milt had three more walks today. FUCK HIM.

You don't walk off the island, mang.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on August 20, 2009, 08:47:29 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 20, 2009, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 19, 2009, 09:40:58 PM
JJ Hardy: 11 HR, 45 RBIs in 102 games.
Milton Bradley: 8 HR, 30 RBIs in 98 games.

Nice choice, Hendry.

Not sure if you saw this but Milt had three more walks today. FUCK HIM.

Yeah, but think, he could have hit three home runs if he would have just swung the bat.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
It's a good thing he can still draw those walks, becasue he's on his way to career-lows in about every other offensive category at this point. And that OBP is about as high as his slugging percentage.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on August 20, 2009, 11:00:48 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
And that OBP is about as high as his slugging percentage.

Since June 1, Milton's OBP is higher than his slugging.  Of course, his OBP is .425 during that stretch. 

If you put together an entire team of guys like that, with .425 OBPs and .400 SLG percentages, it would score far more runs than any other team in baseball.  I have no idea why you're still bitching about this.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on August 20, 2009, 11:45:46 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
It's a good thing he can still draw those walks, becasue he's on his way to career-lows in about every other offensive category at this point. And that OBP is about as high as his slugging percentage.

Ryan Theriot's OBP last year was .387, and his slugging was .359.

/Not saying.
//Just saying.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on August 20, 2009, 11:55:27 AM
DeLuca's column in today's SunTimes doesn't say anything new.  But he says it well.


http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/1726124,CST-SPT-deluca20.article
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on August 20, 2009, 12:01:21 PM
That's it. DaveB must be behind "Steve Stone's" Twitter account. Or, maybe Steve Stone is behind this DaveB account and this is all an act. Either way, whoever is behind this "DaveB" character is making my brain hurt from the  unabashed ignorance.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Shooter on August 20, 2009, 12:42:57 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 20, 2009, 12:01:21 PM
That's it. DaveB must be behind "Steve Stone's" Twitter account. Or, maybe Steve Stone is behind this DaveB account and this is all an act. Either way, whoever is behind this "DaveB" character is making my brain hurt from the  unabashed ignorance.

Steve Stone's Twitter account makes me extremely hopeful that he gets a major league GM jorb. As long as it's not with the Cubs.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on August 20, 2009, 12:46:50 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 20, 2009, 11:55:27 AM
DeLuca's column in today's SunTimes doesn't say anything new.  But he says it well.


http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/1726124,CST-SPT-deluca20.article

The true cause of the Cubs' downfall is mentioned...

QuoteTinkering so much with the lineup -- including allowing veteran catcher Henry Blanco, a mentor for Geovany Soto, to walk away -- ruined the chemistry of this club.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 12:50:56 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 20, 2009, 12:01:21 PM
That's it. DaveB must be behind "Steve Stone's" Twitter account. Or, maybe Steve Stone is behind this DaveB account and this is all an act. Either way, whoever is behind this "DaveB" character is making my brain hurt from the  unabashed ignorance.

"Unabashed ignorance"? Because I think that Milton Bradley's failure to come close to his offensive performance of 2008 (or many of his other years where he actually played 100 games) is a contributing factor in the Cubs' dismal 2009 season? Because I think that someone who got paid what he did should put some better offensive numbers other than OBP or draw walks? I wasn't a Bradley-basher to start with, but it's pretty obvious that he hasn't had close to the year they were expecting when they signed him. His injuries and offensive slump at mid-season forced the Cubs to play some lesser player in the OF in his absence/benching.

Chuck D, I'll put up my baseball experience/knowledge against yours, any day, anywhere. I don't come on this site to bash other commenters with some knee-jerk heckling just for the sake of riling somebody up. But if you call me ignorant, then I'm going to yap back.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: *In a Nutsack on August 20, 2009, 12:59:59 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 12:50:56 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 20, 2009, 12:01:21 PM
That's it. DaveB must be behind "Steve Stone's" Twitter account. Or, maybe Steve Stone is behind this DaveB account and this is all an act. Either way, whoever is behind this "DaveB" character is making my brain hurt from the  unabashed ignorance.

"Unabashed ignorance"? Because I think that Milton Bradley's failure to come close to his offensive performance of 2008 (or many of his other years where he actually played 100 games) is a contributing factor in the Cubs' dismal 2009 season? Because I think that someone who got paid what he did should put some better offensive numbers other than OBP or draw walks? I wasn't a Bradley-basher to start with, but it's pretty obvious that he hasn't had close to the year they were expecting when they signed him. His injuries and offensive slump at mid-season forced the Cubs to play some lesser player in the OF in his absence/benching.

Chuck D, I'll put up my baseball experience/knowledge against yours, any day, anywhere. I don't come on this site to bash other commenters with some knee-jerk heckling just for the sake of riling somebody up. But if you call me ignorant, then I'm going to yap back.

Hey, DaveB.  Walks are good.  If you want to finger point, aim your stubby nubbins at Aramis missing 50 games and Alfonso Soriano being the kind of terrible only Chuck could imagine in a wet dream.  Bradley GETTING ON BASE near 40% of the time is not a reason why the Cubs are six behind the Cardinals.  Waiting to put him in a higher spot in the lineup to better utilize his high OBP is a good argument to use for the Cubs lineup not producing.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on August 20, 2009, 01:00:12 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 12:50:56 PM
Chuck D, I'll put up my baseball experience/knowledge against yours, any day, anywhere.

And you will fail in an epic, hilarious fashion.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on August 20, 2009, 01:01:12 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2009, 01:00:12 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 12:50:56 PM
Chuck D, I'll put up my baseball experience/knowledge against yours, any day, anywhere.

And you will fail in an epic, hilarious fashion.

But if they both put their pictures up, who would get laid more?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on August 20, 2009, 01:05:02 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 12:50:56 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 20, 2009, 12:01:21 PM
That's it. DaveB must be behind "Steve Stone's" Twitter account. Or, maybe Steve Stone is behind this DaveB account and this is all an act. Either way, whoever is behind this "DaveB" character is making my brain hurt from the  unabashed ignorance.

"Unabashed ignorance"? Because I think that Milton Bradley's failure to come close to his offensive performance of 2008 (or many of his other years where he actually played 100 games) is a contributing factor in the Cubs' dismal 2009 season? Because I think that someone who got paid what he did should put some better offensive numbers other than OBP or draw walks? I wasn't a Bradley-basher to start with, but it's pretty obvious that he hasn't had close to the year they were expecting when they signed him. His injuries and offensive slump at mid-season forced the Cubs to play some lesser player in the OF in his absence/benching.

Chuck D, I'll put up my baseball experience/knowledge against yours, any day, anywhere. I don't come on this site to bash other commenters with some knee-jerk heckling just for the sake of riling somebody up. But if you call me ignorant, then I'm going to yap back.

DaveB is Jim Tocco?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on August 20, 2009, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: Jon on August 20, 2009, 01:01:12 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2009, 01:00:12 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 12:50:56 PM
Chuck D, I'll put up my baseball experience/knowledge against yours, any day, anywhere.

And you will fail in an epic, hilarious fashion.

But if they both put their pictures up, who would get laid more?

Only pics I want to see are from Gil's computer
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on August 20, 2009, 01:09:01 PM
Man, when you guys smell blood in the water, you're ruthless.

I like Dave B., even though his Theriot love is totally bizarre.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on August 20, 2009, 01:10:31 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on August 20, 2009, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: Jon on August 20, 2009, 01:01:12 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2009, 01:00:12 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 12:50:56 PM
Chuck D, I'll put up my baseball experience/knowledge against yours, any day, anywhere.

And you will fail in an epic, hilarious fashion.

But if they both put their pictures up, who would get laid more?

Only pics I want to see are from Gil's computer

Let me guess, you want a picture of the strip club buffet?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 20, 2009, 01:09:01 PM
Man, when you guys smell blood in the water, you're ruthless.

I like Dave B., even though his Theriot love is totally bizarre.

You better watch your ass, you Chicago NOW reject.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on August 20, 2009, 01:13:01 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 20, 2009, 01:09:01 PM
Man, when you guys smell blood in the water, you're ruthless.

Kerm, I'll put up my blood-smelling abilities against yours, any day, in any body of water.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on August 20, 2009, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 20, 2009, 01:09:01 PM
Man, when you guys smell blood in the water, you're ruthless.

I like Dave B., even though his Theriot love is totally bizarre.

You better watch your ass, you Chicago NOW reject.

Who is this Bad Kermit, and why should I trust him?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on August 20, 2009, 01:15:52 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2009, 01:13:01 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 20, 2009, 01:09:01 PM
Man, when you guys smell blood in the water, you're ruthless.

Kerm, I'll put up my blood-smelling abilities against yours, any day, in any body of water.

Smellfag.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Jon on August 20, 2009, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 20, 2009, 01:09:01 PM
Man, when you guys smell blood in the water, you're ruthless.

I like Dave B., even though his Theriot love is totally bizarre.

You better watch your ass, you Chicago NOW reject.

Who is this Bad Kermit, and why should I trust him?

He's a dirty statophile. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 02:21:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2009, 01:00:12 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 12:50:56 PM
Chuck D, I'll put up my baseball experience/knowledge against yours, any day, anywhere.

And you will fail in an epic, hilarious fashion.

You might beat me in Strat-o-matic, but I've got to warn you: I was playing that game when you actually rolled dice and turned over the orange cards.

And it's funny: I only developed the so-called "Theriot Love" after listening to some numb-nuts focus their ire on him when there were/are far more candidates to bash upon. Prior to the 2008 season, I was fairly indifferent to him. But after reading some of that crazy shit, I took him on as my personal project.




Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on August 20, 2009, 02:28:15 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 02:21:43 PM
And it's funny: I only developed the so-called "Theriot Love" after listening to some numb-nuts focus their ire on him when there were/are far more candidates to bash upon. Prior to the 2008 season, I was fairly indifferent to him. But after reading some of that crazy shit, I took him on as my personal project.
Time to write off the sunk costs on that project.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on August 20, 2009, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 20, 2009, 02:28:15 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 02:21:43 PM
And it's funny: I only developed the so-called "Theriot Love" after listening to some numb-nuts focus their ire on him when there were/are far more candidates to bash upon. Prior to the 2008 season, I was fairly indifferent to him. But after reading some of that crazy shit, I took him on as my personal project.
Time to write off the sunk costs on that project.
Oh god...I agree with Internet Chuck.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ivy6 on August 20, 2009, 02:34:42 PM
I'm with Dave- Ryan Theriot is a pefectly fine major league second baseman.  I don't see where the argument is.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 02:41:12 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on August 20, 2009, 02:34:42 PM
I'm with Dave- Ryan Theriot is a pefectly fine major league second baseman.  I don't see where the argument is.

Dusty and Hendry didn't evaluate his use as a 2B properly. They went and signed DeRo and sent this whole shitstorm into motion.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on August 20, 2009, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: Jon on August 20, 2009, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 20, 2009, 02:28:15 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 02:21:43 PM
And it's funny: I only developed the so-called "Theriot Love" after listening to some numb-nuts focus their ire on him when there were/are far more candidates to bash upon. Prior to the 2008 season, I was fairly indifferent to him. But after reading some of that crazy shit, I took him on as my personal project.
Time to write off the sunk costs on that project.
Oh god...I agree with Internet Chuck.
Hey, in the late summer of 2007, when he was showing flashes of being good and smart you figured he'd get better.  He hasn't.

NEXT!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 02:57:38 PM
Stats don't lie. Take a look at 2007, 2008, and 2009 and show me where he hasn't gotten "better".
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on August 20, 2009, 03:21:46 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 02:57:38 PM
Stats don't lie. Take a look at 2007, 2008, and 2009 and show me where he hasn't gotten "better".

Just to name a couple that I can see, since I'm not nearly the STATFAG that these others are, his Ks have increased, his WPA has gone from -.61 (07), to -.23 (08), to -.55 (09).

Also his BaBIP is up to .341. It could be because his FB% is up, but I would have to assume that would negatively effect the BaBIP. His LD% isn't out of the norm of his career, so I'm just going to sum it up and say he's been a lucky hitter. I may be wrong though.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: SKO on August 20, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on August 20, 2009, 03:21:46 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 02:57:38 PM
Stats don't lie. Take a look at 2007, 2008, and 2009 and show me where he hasn't gotten "better".

Just to name a couple that I can see, since I'm not nearly the STATFAG that these others are, his Ks have increased, his WPA has gone from -.61 (07), to -.23 (08), to -.55 (09).

Also his BaBIP is up to .341. It could be because his FB% is up, but I would have to assume that would negatively effect the BaBIP. His LD% isn't out of the norm of his career, so I'm just going to sum it up and say he's been a lucky hitter. I may be wrong though.

I don't even know you anymore.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ivy6 on August 20, 2009, 03:31:11 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 02:57:38 PM
Stats don't lie. Take a look at 2007, 2008, and 2009 and show me where he hasn't gotten "better".

Is baserunning a stat?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
And his Bnmj8KHodf is down .231%. For fuck's sake, I'm sure you can pull up any number of these obscure stats to prove whatever point it is you want.

Bottom line: from the beginning, my point with Theriot is that he is a decent enough SS at 500K in this line-up that Cubs' management decided to put on the table. They've paid a shitload of money to the corner outfielders, corner infielders, and and starting rotation. You can't just go to the Shortstop Store and pull a Cal Ripken or Robin Yount off the shelf. And with all of the no-trade contracts and a shortage of bargaining chips at the minor league level, you just can't go out and trade for Hanley Ramirez.

Get on Geo Soto for coming back from his Rookie of the Year fat and stoned. Get on Fukudome and Bradley. Place the blame on injuries that have landed 3/5 of the rotation on the DL for at least 25 days apiece. Get on Soriano. Bitch about the Four Horsemen they've had to play at second base. And get all over the shitfest known as the bullpen. But as John Hart said on WGN Radio last night, Theriot and D-Lee have been the only consistent good things about this offense the whole season.  
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on August 20, 2009, 03:35:39 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
Get on Geo Soto for coming back from his Rookie of the Year fat and stoned. Get on Fukudome and Bradley. Place the blame on injuries that have landed 3/5 of the rotation on the DL for at least 25 days apiece. Get on Soriano. Bitch about the Four Horsemen they've had to play at second base. And get all over the shitfest known as the bullpen. But as John Hart said on WGN Radio last night, Theriot and D-Lee have been the only consistent good things about this offense the whole season.  
Fine.  And Theriot hasn't gotten any better, either.

And he's due for a big raise next year.  So much for the $500k saving grace.

And who the fuck is John Hart?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on August 20, 2009, 03:36:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on August 20, 2009, 03:21:46 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 02:57:38 PM
Stats don't lie. Take a look at 2007, 2008, and 2009 and show me where he hasn't gotten "better".

Just to name a couple that I can see, since I'm not nearly the STATFAG that these others are, his Ks have increased, his WPA has gone from -.61 (07), to -.23 (08), to -.55 (09).

Also his BaBIP is up to .341. It could be because his FB% is up, but I would have to assume that would negatively effect the BaBIP. His LD% isn't out of the norm of his career, so I'm just going to sum it up and say he's been a lucky hitter. I may be wrong though.

I don't even know you anymore.

Just wait. I'm stealing this from Thrill from the VORP STATHEAD FAGGOTS thread: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/batters-and-babip/
Quote
                                  BABIP  xBABIP Diff
2008  Ryan Theriot         .335    .291    .044

Now from what I've read is that if there's a large difference, and .044 is considered large, that just further cements the notion that they're a lucky hitter. Kind of like what he notates about Milty:

Quote2008  Milton Bradley       .375    .334    .041
......
Perhaps Manny Ramirez and Milton Bradley will disappoint whoever signs them.

So Theriot has remained a lucky hitter for a couple years. According to this article, though, history suggests that will change soon enough. He'll probably be posting a .270/.330/.350/.680 line soon enough.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on August 20, 2009, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
Get on Fukudome and Bradley.

We already know you irrationally dislike Bradley, but why would we "get on" Fukudome?  Have you been paying attention at all?  He's been great this year.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 03:47:35 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2009, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
Get on Fukudome and Bradley.

We already know you irrationally dislike Bradley, but why would we "get on" Fukudome?  Have you been paying attention at all?  He's been great this year.

(http://www.freewebs.com/swbroadway/Inigo.jpg)
You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

.271 AVG, .387 OBP, .846 OPS, 10 homers, 44 RBI, 6 steals in 14 attempts, .171 AVG v. LHP = better than bad but way, way less than "great"
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on August 20, 2009, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2009, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
Get on Fukudome and Bradley.

We already know you irrationally dislike Bradley, but why would we "get on" Fukudome?  Have you been paying attention at all?  He's been great this year.

Fukudome stole Theriot's rightful leadoff spot for 22 games!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on August 20, 2009, 05:00:55 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 03:47:35 PM
.271 AVG, .387 OBP, .846 OPS, 10 homers, 44 RBI, 6 steals in 14 attempts, .171 AVG v. LHP = better than bad but way, way less than "great"

Way to cherry pick some stats at the end to try and make your numbers
sound better.  117 OPS+, reasonable defense in CF (where he doesn't
belong).  That's somewhere between significantly above the average and
great.  I wouldn't argue against anything in that range.  Given the choice I'd
say he's well enough to justify his contract (this year).  A couple caught
stealings (and ignoring that Lou likes to hit-and-run Fukudome) isn't a fucking
counterbalance to a .387 OBP.

I don't think you can rationally blame Theriot for anything other than a) being
a total moron on the bases and b) playing for a team with a GM who makes
him play SS instead of 2B.

He's got minimal range, but he makes the plays he gets to.  UZR and such
puts him at about average.  That's probably about right if you think of all
the SSs around the majors.  And, he's hitting .300/.351/.409 at SS.  That's
great for a SS (a clarification for those of you who think 8 CS is a deal breaker
for players with a .387 OBP).  Hell, if you want to argue intangibles or whatever
instead of about rational actual player performance, he also seems to have a lot
of "smart" at bats spraying the ball which I enjoy watching.  He's not the
cornerstone of a championship at SS, but he's also a hell of a lot of value for
$400k (if you believe in fangraphs performance valuation, they put his
contribution as worth almost $13 million).

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on August 20, 2009, 05:13:08 PM
Since I think I started this whole mess with my JJ Hardy suggestion, let me point out that I wasn't trying to REPLACE Theriot, just move him to 2B. I think he's a fine hitter to have in the lineup. So getting all asshurt and firing up your Therinferiority/I hate objective measurements of players because I've played and watched a bunch of baseball complex probably wasn't necessary, Dave.

And Fukudome HAS been great this year if you consider the position he plays. I'm sure referencing the shut-ins at Fangraphs (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=cf&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2009&month=0) again will give some people the vapors, but going by their measures he's been the 4th best hitter and 9th best fielder among regular centerfielders. Unless Matt Kemp or Curtis Granderson is available, it's pretty dumb to criticize him.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 05:16:20 PM
Quote from: Pre on August 20, 2009, 05:00:55 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 03:47:35 PM
.271 AVG, .387 OBP, .846 OPS, 10 homers, 44 RBI, 6 steals in 14 attempts, .171 AVG v. LHP = better than bad but way, way less than "great"

Way to cherry pick some stats at the end to try and make your numbers
sound better.  117 OPS+, reasonable defense in CF (where he doesn't
belong).  That's somewhere between significantly above the average and
great.  I wouldn't argue against anything in that range.  Given the choice I'd
say he's well enough to justify his contract (this year).  A couple caught
stealings (and ignoring that Lou likes to hit-and-run Fukudome) isn't a fucking
counterbalance to a .387 OBP.

It's not cherry picking ... I listed good with bad there.  Like I said, he's better than bad but calling Fukudome "great" for having an above average OBP and good defensive skills is a bit of a stretch.  I'd go as far as to say "good" if not bordering on "very good," perhaps even "mostly awesome," but great?  He can't hit lefties and I'm not really sure his numbers justify an eight-figure a year contract.  
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on August 20, 2009, 05:40:25 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 12:50:56 PM
"Unabashed ignorance"? Because I think that Milton Bradley's failure to come close to his offensive performance of 2008 (or many of his other years where he actually played 100 games) is a contributing factor in the Cubs' dismal 2009 season?

Yes. Baseball, at it's most fundamental, is about getting on base (or, preventing the other team from doing so). As you well know, Bradley has been better at getting on base than any other Cub this year. That's not a good thing. That's a great thing. Yet, due to the persistent but antiquated notion that a corner outfielder needs to hit home runs, he's getting flak because his slugging percentage is down or he's not driving in runs or something. Admittedly, the decrease in power is slightly disappointing, but it's not completely unexpected. True, his ISO (SLG% - AVG) on the year falls below his career average. That's unfortunate, no doubt.

However, most people (including yourself, apparently) had unrealistic expectations for him based upon the aberrant production he put up last year. As IrishYeti (shockingly) noted earlier, Bradley was one of the luckiest hitters in baseball last year. This year, using the same model described in Yeti's article, Bradley's predicted BABIP is about .322. As of now, it's at .315, suggesting that his extremely lucky 2008 has gave way to a slightly unlucky 2009. But, he's adjusted by being patient, not forcing anything, and taking what opposing pitchers are giving to him. That's a very smart move on his part. I don't want to go sort through the game logs, but I seem to recall (based upon watching games with my eyes) that Bradley was pressing a bit early on in the year and trying to put the ball in play when he could've been taking walks.

QuoteBecause I think that someone who got paid what he did should put some better offensive numbers other than OBP or draw walks?

Yes. Why do you care what the Cubs are paying him or any other baseball player for that matter? The market pays whatever the highest bidding team will bear. Hendry paid a premium price for the 2008 Milton Bradley when Bradley's career numbers suggested that something between the 2006/2007 version of Milton Bradley was the more probably commodity.

QuoteI wasn't a Bradley-basher to start with, but it's pretty obvious that he hasn't had close to the year they were expecting when they signed him.

And how. But is it Bradley's fault that Hendry expected him to have another career season?

For example: If I were to wager $100 that IrishYeti will make posts as enlightened as he has in this thread today for the next week. Whose fault is it when Yeti reverts to shitposting in Mom's Basement per usual?

Similarly, is it Bradley's fault that Piniella is a stalwart who made a similar mistake by looking at the inflated counting stats (hint hint) and penciled him in to a lineup spot that wasn't a good fit for Bradley's skill set? And is it Bradley's fault that Piniella refused to move him when it was exceedingly apparent that the middle of the order wasn't a good fit?

QuoteHis injuries and offensive slump at mid-season forced the Cubs to play some lesser player in the OF in his absence/benching.

Slumps happen. Injuries happen. In fact, injuries were to be expected considering the clause included in Bradley's contract.

But, hell, this game's fun. Let's play it anyway with two players with whom we are intimately familiar (not that intimately!).

Between April 15 and June 17 (about one third of the season), Theriot had a slash line of .262/.316/.410/.725. During that time, he was hitting almost exclusively in the two spot. He had a lot of plate appearances. The Cubs went 24-29. What does that prove? Nothing, really. Theriot had a shitty two months and it coincided with a crappy stretch for the Cubs. Bradley went .258/.340/.406/.747 over the same stretch for what it's worth. Obviously, Bradley was the weak link in the chain. Let's rip him.

Bottom line, Bradley's Offensive Win% for this year (OWn%, a nerdy statistic that estimates the winning percentage for a hypothetical lineup comprised of the player in question) is .574. A winning percentage of .574 would result in a record of 93-69. So, even with the slump and the uncharacteristically awful year, Milton has the 11th best OWn% among starting right fielders. For comparison's sake, Theriot's OWn% is .526 for an estimated record of 85-77 (that's pretty good for a shortstop, by the way). Considering Theriot's above average defense (also shocking, I know), he's pretty good as far as shortstops go. Just don't tell the rest of these guys.

cntd...
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on August 20, 2009, 05:40:43 PM
QuoteChuck D, I'll put up my baseball experience/knowledge against yours, any day, anywhere.

Slow down, big guy. I'll just admit that you have a larger penis. I haven't umpired high school baseball or listened to the SCORE on my drive to work or whatever it is that you claim as your ethos. Obviously I don't have any real world experience about playing baseball the right way. I'm just going off what the linear regressions say.

QuoteI don't come on this site to bash other commenters with some knee-jerk heckling just for the sake of riling somebody up. But if you call me ignorant, then I'm going to yap back.

Okay. But a spade's a spade. Feel free to yap back, I guess.

Milton Bradley's a good player who happens to be receiving more money than his production this down year warrants. You'd do well to remember that when the Cubs cut Theriot the $18mm/3 deal that his inflated production is worth. If next year Bradley reverts to career norms considering the progression due to age, he'll earn his check.


Quote from: Dave B on August 20, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
And his Bnmj8KHodf is down .231%. For fuck's sake, I'm sure you can pull up any number of these obscure stats to prove whatever point it is you want.

This is why you're ignorant. Also, didn't you just a few posts up say that "the stats don't lie"?

Quote
Bottom line: from the beginning, my point with Theriot is that he is a decent enough SS at 500K in this line-up that Cubs' management decided to put on the table. They've paid a shitload of money to the corner outfielders, corner infielders, and and starting rotation. You can't just go to the Shortstop Store and pull a Cal Ripken or Robin Yount off the shelf. And with all of the no-trade contracts and a shortage of bargaining chips at the minor league level, you just can't go out and trade for Hanley Ramirez.

Fair enough. I don't really mind Theriot, but by all means, continue to beat that Strawman.

Quote
Get on Geo Soto for coming back from his Rookie of the Year fat and stoned.

Or for turning back in to the pumpkin we always thought he was?

Quote
Get on Fukudome and Bradley.

lol no

QuotePlace the blame on injuries that have landed 3/5 of the rotation on the DL for at least 25 days apiece.

Consider them blamed! BLAME!@

QuoteGet on Soriano.

Okay, just don't tell Chuck or my real, non-Canadian girlfriend.

QuoteBitch about the Four Horsemen they've had to play at second base. And get all over the shitfest known as the bullpen.

Truth.

QuoteBut as John Hart said on WGN Radio last night, Theriot and D-Lee have been the only consistent good things about this offense the whole season. 

This, additionally, is why you're ignorant.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on August 20, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 05:16:20 PM
I'd go as far as to say "good" if not bordering on "very good," perhaps even "mostly awesome," but great?

I admit to being wrong.

In my original reply I had a really shitty comment about how I was sure you'd
backtrack from your ridiculous "way, way less than "great"" comment and try
and make this a semantic argument about adjectives and how I would rather
you go fuck yourself than try and regroup your idiocy.  Then I took it out because
I thought it was overly mean spirited.

I was wrong to remove that.  Fuck off and die.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
Quote from: Pre on August 20, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 05:16:20 PM
I'd go as far as to say "good" if not bordering on "very good," perhaps even "mostly awesome," but great?

I admit to being wrong.

In my original reply I had a really shitty comment about how I was sure you'd
backtrack from your ridiculous "way, way less than "great"" comment and try
and make this a semantic argument about adjectives and how I would rather
you go fuck yourself than try and regroup your idiocy.  Then I took it out because
I thought it was overly mean spirited.

I was wrong to remove that.  Fuck off and die.

I won't fuck off and die but I will happily wait with baited breath while you try to justify your opinion that a guy who will never bat higher than .280 or hit more than 15 homeruns -- or for that matter drive in more than 80 RBI at the very most -- is "great" enough to justify a 14 million dollar a year contract.  Maybe only when compared with how terrible Bradley has been this year.  Think about it.  He's the center field equivalent of Mark Grace, hopefully without the compulsive Dubbs-like desire to bang fat chicks during the long months when he can't get his AVG over .200.  (Three times in his illustrious 11 months-so-far of playing baseball.)  

And I was being polite.  He's nowhere near mostly awesome.  But he is better than bad.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on August 20, 2009, 06:36:36 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
Quote from: Pre on August 20, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 05:16:20 PM
I'd go as far as to say "good" if not bordering on "very good," perhaps even "mostly awesome," but great?

I admit to being wrong.

In my original reply I had a really shitty comment about how I was sure you'd
backtrack from your ridiculous "way, way less than "great"" comment and try
and make this a semantic argument about adjectives and how I would rather
you go fuck yourself than try and regroup your idiocy.  Then I took it out because
I thought it was overly mean spirited.

I was wrong to remove that.  Fuck off and die.

I won't fuck off and die but I will happily wait with baited breath while you try to justify your opinion that a guy who will never bat higher than .280 or hit more than 15 homeruns -- or for that matter drive in more than 80 RBI at the very most -- is "great" enough to justify a 14 million dollar a year contract.  Maybe only when compared with how terrible Bradley has been this year.  Think about it.  He's the center field equivalent of Mark Grace, hopefully without the compulsive Dubbs-like desire to bang fat chicks during the long months when he can't get his AVG over .200.  (Three times in his illustrious 11 months-so-far of playing baseball.)  

And I was being polite.  He's nowhere near mostly awesome.  But he is better than bad.

Did he lead a decade in hits?

I didn't think so.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on August 20, 2009, 06:44:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 20, 2009, 06:36:36 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
Quote from: Pre on August 20, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 05:16:20 PM
I'd go as far as to say "good" if not bordering on "very good," perhaps even "mostly awesome," but great?

I admit to being wrong.

In my original reply I had a really shitty comment about how I was sure you'd
backtrack from your ridiculous "way, way less than "great"" comment and try
and make this a semantic argument about adjectives and how I would rather
you go fuck yourself than try and regroup your idiocy.  Then I took it out because
I thought it was overly mean spirited.

I was wrong to remove that.  Fuck off and die.

I won't fuck off and die but I will happily wait with baited breath while you try to justify your opinion that a guy who will never bat higher than .280 or hit more than 15 homeruns -- or for that matter drive in more than 80 RBI at the very most -- is "great" enough to justify a 14 million dollar a year contract.  Maybe only when compared with how terrible Bradley has been this year.  Think about it.  He's the center field equivalent of Mark Grace, hopefully without the compulsive Dubbs-like desire to bang fat chicks during the long months when he can't get his AVG over .200.  (Three times in his illustrious 11 months-so-far of playing baseball.)  

And I was being polite.  He's nowhere near mostly awesome.  But he is better than bad.

Did he lead a decade in hits?

I didn't think so.

He'll never fare well in the Triple Crown categories.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 06:45:04 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 20, 2009, 06:36:36 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
Quote from: Pre on August 20, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 05:16:20 PM
I'd go as far as to say "good" if not bordering on "very good," perhaps even "mostly awesome," but great?

I admit to being wrong.

In my original reply I had a really shitty comment about how I was sure you'd
backtrack from your ridiculous "way, way less than "great"" comment and try
and make this a semantic argument about adjectives and how I would rather
you go fuck yourself than try and regroup your idiocy.  Then I took it out because
I thought it was overly mean spirited.

I was wrong to remove that.  Fuck off and die.

I won't fuck off and die but I will happily wait with baited breath while you try to justify your opinion that a guy who will never bat higher than .280 or hit more than 15 homeruns -- or for that matter drive in more than 80 RBI at the very most -- is "great" enough to justify a 14 million dollar a year contract.  Maybe only when compared with how terrible Bradley has been this year.  Think about it.  He's the center field equivalent of Mark Grace, hopefully without the compulsive Dubbs-like desire to bang fat chicks during the long months when he can't get his AVG over .200.  (Three times in his illustrious 11 months-so-far of playing baseball.)  

And I was being polite.  He's nowhere near mostly awesome.  But he is better than bad.

Did he lead a decade in hits?

I didn't think so.

Good point, PenFoe.  Fukudome will never come near Grace's career batting average.  I guess upon reflection he's like a defensively superior Brant Brown, circa 1998.  Who the Cubs are paying a ridiculous sum to employ.  Yay?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on August 20, 2009, 07:06:34 PM
I really should have better considered my adjective use during the eight seconds it took me to write that earlier post. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 07:14:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2009, 07:06:34 PM
I really should have better considered my adjective use during the eight seconds it took me to write that earlier post. 

Naw, I'm just a douchebag.  You were still right and Dave B couldn't be more wrong if he was a birther at a Town Hall.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: fiveouts on August 20, 2009, 07:20:12 PM
Fukudome has actually been the Cubs unluckiest hitter this year (based on statfaggory: BABIP, LD%, etc.).  Behold, statfags:

Fukudome's Actual Line - .272/.390/.462
Fukudome's Expected Line - .314/.425/.523

The 15 hits that he has missed out on basically turns him from the #4 CF in baseball to the best hitting CF in baseball.  

Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 06:33:59 PM

I won't fuck off and die but I will happily wait with baited breath while you try to justify your opinion that a guy who will never bat higher than .280 or hit more than 15 homeruns -- or for that matter drive in more than 80 RBI at the very most -- is "great" enough to justify a 14 million dollar a year contract.

Good thing the Cubs are only paying him $12 million/year.  For the fourth best CF in baseball, its not a bad deal.  

As far as RBI goes: I wish that fucker Fukudome could do a better job of making sure runners get on base before he comes up, then don't score until he gets his hits.



Oh yeah-fuck batting average.  
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on August 20, 2009, 07:20:33 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2009, 07:06:34 PM
I really should have better considered my adjective use during the eight seconds it took me to write that earlier post. 

Well, you should if you're going to do it to everyone else.

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 07:27:25 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on August 20, 2009, 07:20:12 PM
I wish that fucker Fukudome could do a better job of making sure runners get on base before he comes up, then don't score until he gets his hits.

¿Qué?

But if you're arguing that he's the leadoff hitter we've all been waiting for -- and I think that's what you're trying to say there -- then maybe he should have better than a 43% success rate at stealing bases.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on August 20, 2009, 07:28:21 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
I will happily wait with baited breath while you try to justify your opinion that [Fukudome] is
"great" enough to justify a 14 million dollar a year contract.

Oh shit, if only there was a whole bunch of people that attempted to calculate approximate
player values and they came up with with a similar idea that I did.  Maybe that might be more
compelling argument than if I proved player worth your way and just mention his 5 triples or
some other bullshit.
(http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3263&position=OF#value)
If you could stop from randomly changing your argument for a second and note that I never
said he was great and that I have no fucking interest in engaging in your sophomoric semantic
games you might realize that I simply said he's been at least above average and has earned his
contract.  I'm not trying to claim he's Hank Aaron and it's a shame you're too fucking stupid to
realize that there are shades of gray and by saying he's earned his contract isn't saying he's
the best fucking player in the league. 

Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
And I was being polite.  He's nowhere near mostly awesome.  But he is better than bad.

So you're arguing against yourself now too?  What the fuck.

Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
I won't fuck off and die

It was worth a try.  Low probability but a hell of an upside for us all.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: fiveouts on August 20, 2009, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 07:27:25 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on August 20, 2009, 07:20:12 PM
I wish that fucker Fukudome could do a better job of making sure runners get on base before he comes up, then don't score until he gets his hits.

¿Qué?

But if you're arguing that he's the leadoff hitter we've all been waiting for -- and I think that's what you're trying to say there -- then maybe he should have better than a 43% success rate at stealing bases.

Actually, its not.  The fact that he wouldn't get more than 80 RBI has nothing to do with how good of a hitter he is; it has to do what what the hitters in front of him do. 


And stolen bases are fucking stupid, too, by the way. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on August 20, 2009, 08:14:24 PM
Quote from: CT III on August 20, 2009, 07:20:33 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2009, 07:06:34 PM
I really should have better considered my adjective use during the eight seconds it took me to write that earlier post. 

Well, you should if you're going to do it to everyone else.

Just sayin'.

Now you've gone and hurt my feelings.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on August 20, 2009, 08:47:14 PM
What do I have to smoke to be able to follow this thread?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 08:57:48 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 20, 2009, 08:47:14 PM
What do I have to smoke to be able to follow this thread?

Kosuke Fukudome's pole, obviously.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: Pre on August 20, 2009, 07:28:21 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
I will happily wait with baited breath while you try to justify your opinion that [Fukudome] is
"great" enough to justify a 14 million dollar a year contract.

Oh shit, if only there was a whole bunch of people that attempted to calculate approximate
player values and they came up with with a similar idea that I did.  Maybe that might be more
compelling argument than if I proved player worth your way and just mention his 5 triples or
some other bullshit.
(http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3263&position=OF#value)
If you could stop from randomly changing your argument for a second and note that I never
said he was great and that I have no fucking interest in engaging in your sophomoric semantic
games you might realize that I simply said he's been at least above average and has earned his
contract.  I'm not trying to claim he's Hank Aaron and it's a shame you're too fucking stupid to
realize that there are shades of gray and by saying he's earned his contract isn't saying he's
the best fucking player in the league. 

Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
And I was being polite.  He's nowhere near mostly awesome.  But he is better than bad.

So you're arguing against yourself now too?  What the fuck.

Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
I won't fuck off and die

It was worth a try.  Low probability but a hell of an upside for us all.

You need to get laid.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 09:00:26 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on August 20, 2009, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 07:27:25 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on August 20, 2009, 07:20:12 PM
I wish that fucker Fukudome could do a better job of making sure runners get on base before he comes up, then don't score until he gets his hits.

¿Qué?

But if you're arguing that he's the leadoff hitter we've all been waiting for -- and I think that's what you're trying to say there -- then maybe he should have better than a 43% success rate at stealing bases.

Actually, its not.  The fact that he wouldn't get more than 80 RBI has nothing to do with how good of a hitter he is; it has to do what what the hitters in front of him do.  


And stolen bases are fucking stupid, too, by the way.  

I'd agree with that.  I never really cared if the leadoff guy steals a ton of bases, but he's not really helping anybody if he tries to steal bases and fails.  I'd rather he hit all those doubles and triples and get on base at a .390 ratio and never even try to steal a base if he's going to fail so regularly.  

Edited to add: Fukudome is also on pace to score only 78 runs despite his high OBP.  Obviously it's not his fault that the people batting behind him have failed to drive him in regularly, though.  Then again, of his 358 at bats this season, only 84 have come in the leadoff spot.

He's on pace to have 596 plate appearances.  If he had 596 plate appearances from the leadoff spot, he'd be on pace to score 88 runs, despite his .321 AVG and .437 OBP from that spot.  I understand, though, that he can't help that the hitters behind him aren't able to drive him in.  I was merely comparing him with Mark Grace, a guy who spent the majority of his career batting 3rd -- or even cleanup -- and never drove in 100 runs in a season.

If he had 596 plate appearances batting 3rd, where he has the majority of his at bats this season, he'd be on pace to drive in 55 RBI.  I understand, though, that he can't help if he doesn't have many hitters in front of him to drive in.  Then again, he does have decent numbers with runners on.

I'm glad that Fukudome has turned his season around after a couple of very ugly months.  I agree that his defensive skills are a huge plus -- he'd be even better in RF.  As a leadoff man he's a good choice, so long as he doesn't actually try to steal bases.  I merely contested his "great"ness, based on his lack of power, his modest batting average, and his inability to hit lefties.  Pre -- for somebody who never called him great either -- sure did get upset at my "cherry picking" his statistics ... considering that I basically laid out his entire offensive line, including OBP and OPS, minus doubles and triples.  Oh well.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 09:05:37 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
I won't fuck off and die but I will happily wait with baited bated breath...

You're just kind of burying yourself LOL.

Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
...during the long months when he can't get his AVG over .200.  (Three times in his illustrious 11 months-so-far of playing baseball.)

For starters, Kosuke has been playing baseball for well over 11 months. If you're gonna be a nitpicky asshole yourself...

More to the point, though, I thought we were talking about this season, anyways.

I mean, we're all perfectly aware of how his MLB rookie season panned out. The question coming into 2009 was whether he would manage to adjust to the major leagues and bounce back from that.

And he has.

I don't think even you are trying to dispute this.

What you seem to be suggesting, though, with this comment about those "long months" below the Mendoza line, is that he's inconsistent.

So let's look at his monthly splits from 2009...

Split     G   GS   PA   AB    R    H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  SB  CS   BB   SO      BA     OBP     SLG     OPS   BAbip  tOPS+  sOPS+
Apr/Mar  20   19   89   71   14   24   6   0   4   15   1   3   16   15   0.338   0.461   0.592   1.052   0.377    148    176
May      22   19   82   65   12   18   4   1   1    5   3   1   15   13   0.277   0.415   0.415   0.830   0.327     98    124
June     23   20   96   83    7   14   4   1   0    3   2   0   11   23   0.169   0.266   0.241   0.507   0.233     21     41
July     26   22  103   88   12   27   8   3   2   12   0   4   13   11   0.307   0.392   0.534   0.926   0.329    118    146
August   16   13   64   51   11   14   5   0   3    9   0   0   13   13   0.275   0.422   0.549   0.971   0.314    129    149


So, he sucked pretty hard in June. Struck out a ton while likely being pretty unlucky on balls he put in play.

And it was for pretty much the entire month of June. Looking at his game logs, he was raking at the tail end of May, sucked from the start of June to the end, and then resumed raking again come July 1.

Let's drill down further, though...

He had a 7-game hitless streak (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=fukudko01&t=b&year=2009&share=1.85#199-205-sum:batting_gamelogs) in there, the longest of his short MLB career, during which he struck out 9 times and walked only once. He busted out of that streak with a 4-hit game against the Indians. But, again, he wouldn't totally shake the slump until July.

Outside of that awful month, he's had two 4-game hitless streaks (beginning of May (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=fukudko01&t=b&year=2009&share=1.97#170-173-sum:batting_gamelogs) and the middle of July (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=fukudko01&t=b&year=2009&share=1.21#224-227-sum:batting_gamelogs)) but otherwise hasn't gone for more than two games without a hit.

Okay, you might say, but even someone on a season-long hit streak could still wind up batting .200... And you'd be right: it's not necessarily about whether he hits outside of these slumps, but how well he hits.

Looking at every 5-game stretch this season (that is: games 1 through 5, games 2 through 6, and so on), we find 8 such stretches outside of those obvious slumps in which his OPS was anywhere below .700, and 6 of these 5-game stretches overlap each other over a 10-game stretch in May.

So we're effectively talking about the following...

4/12–4/16... (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=fukudko01&t=b&year=2009&share=2.23#162-166-sum:batting_gamelogs) .278/.409/.278/.687
5/13–5/24... (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=fukudko01&t=b&year=2009&share=3.79#179-188-sum:batting_gamelogs) .226/.385/.226/.610
7/25–7/29... (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=fukudko01&t=b&year=2009&share=1.00#235-239-sum:batting_gamelogs) .267/.389/.267/.656

These are the other stretches when he "sucked." And only the May 13–24 stretch is really 100% awful.

The bottom line...


And then you have the rest of the season, during which he has been a consistently average-to-great hitter.

Which is more or less accurately reflected in his .271/.387/.458/.846 line and 117 OPS+... which is where this all started.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 09:35:55 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 09:05:37 PM
You're just kind of burying yourself LOL.

Only if I call it a grammatical error, rather than a typographical.

QuoteFor starters, Kosuke has been playing baseball for well over 11 months. If you're gonna be a nitpicky asshole yourself...

Maybe he's spent the winter months playing in the Dominican, or back home in Japan, but the actual months he's spent playing in the bigs have been two Aprils, Mays, Junes, Julys, and Augusts, along with one September/October.  That's 11 months of big league baseball.  In those 11 months, he's batted below .200 in August of '08 (.193), in September of '08 (.178), and as recently as in June of '09 (.169).  Perhaps he's as streaky a hitter as Soriano. 

QuoteMore to the point, though, I thought we were talking about this season, anyways.

I mean, we're all perfectly aware of how his MLB rookie season panned out. The question coming into 2009 was whether he would manage to adjust to the major leagues and bounce back from that.

And he has.

I don't think even you are trying to dispute this.

What you seem to be suggesting, though, with this comment about those "long months" below the Mendoza line, is that he's inconsistent.

Look at that line a little closer ... in May he batted 60 points lower than he did in April.  In June he batted 108 points lower than he did in May.  He batted 138 points higher in July than he did in June, and so far in August he's batting 32 points lower than he did in July.  Recognizing that any player will have slumps and hot streaks, those are still some very low dips and very high peaks.

I'm fine with that, as long as the numbers pan out in the end. 

QuoteAnd then you have the rest of the season, during which he has been a consistently average-to-great hitter.

Which is more or less accurately reflected in his .271/.387/.458/.846 line and 117 OPS+... which is where this all started.

Unless we want to be Yellons about it -- "if we ignore this and this and this then he's a great hitter" -- then the overall sum of his season has been good, certainly above average, but hardly great.  I think we'd all agree that if Fukudome had 15-20 seasons just like this one he wouldn't be banging down the door of the Hall of Fame.  And why's that a bad thing?  He is who he is ... I like him a lot and I'm glad he's turned his season around. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on August 20, 2009, 09:37:25 PM
FYKE
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 09:41:54 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 20, 2009, 09:37:25 PM
FYKE

... but ...
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: air2300 on August 20, 2009, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 09:00:26 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on August 20, 2009, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 07:27:25 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on August 20, 2009, 07:20:12 PM
I wish that fucker Fukudome could do a better job of making sure runners get on base before he comes up, then don't score until he gets his hits.

¿Qué?

But if you're arguing that he's the leadoff hitter we've all been waiting for -- and I think that's what you're trying to say there -- then maybe he should have better than a 43% success rate at stealing bases.

Actually, its not.  The fact that he wouldn't get more than 80 RBI has nothing to do with how good of a hitter he is; it has to do what what the hitters in front of him do.  


And stolen bases are fucking stupid, too, by the way.  

I'd agree with that.  I never really cared if the leadoff guy steals a ton of bases, but he's not really helping anybody if he tries to steal bases and fails.  I'd rather he hit all those doubles and triples and get on base at a .390 ratio and never even try to steal a base if he's going to fail so regularly.  

Edited to add: Fukudome is also on pace to score only 78 runs despite his high OBP.  Obviously it's not his fault that the people batting behind him have failed to drive him in regularly, though.  Then again, of his 358 at bats this season, only 84 have come in the leadoff spot.

He's on pace to have 596 plate appearances.  If he had 596 plate appearances from the leadoff spot, he'd be on pace to score 88 runs, despite his .321 AVG and .437 OBP from that spot.  I understand, though, that he can't help that the hitters behind him aren't able to drive him in.  I was merely comparing him with Mark Grace, a guy who spent the majority of his career batting 3rd -- or even cleanup -- and never drove in 100 runs in a season.

If he had 596 plate appearances batting 3rd, where he has the majority of his at bats this season, he'd be on pace to drive in 55 RBI.  I understand, though, that he can't help if he doesn't have many hitters in front of him to drive in.  Then again, he does have decent numbers with runners on.

I'm glad that Fukudome has turned his season around after a couple of very ugly months.  I agree that his defensive skills are a huge plus -- he'd be even better in RF.  As a leadoff man he's a good choice, so long as he doesn't actually try to steal bases.  I merely contested his "great"ness, based on his lack of power, his modest batting average, and his inability to hit lefties.  Pre -- for somebody who never called him great either -- sure did get upset at my "cherry picking" his statistics ... considering that I basically laid out his entire offensive line, including OBP and OPS, minus doubles and triples.  Oh well.
If you understand that Fukudome has no control over how many runs he has scored then why would you even bring it up to argue your point?


Edit - FYK
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on August 20, 2009, 09:43:51 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 09:35:55 PM
I think we'd all agree that if Fukudome had 15-20 seasons just like this one he wouldn't be banging down the door of the Hall of Fame.

ORLY?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 10:00:44 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 20, 2009, 09:43:51 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 09:35:55 PM
I think we'd all agree that if Fukudome had 15-20 seasons just like this one he wouldn't be banging down the door of the Hall of Fame.

ORLY?

You know many .272 career hitters with less than 200 career homeruns, 3000 hits, and defense just shy of Gold Glove caliber running around Cooperstown right now?*

(*that weren't voted in by a Veterans Committee)

Aside: Fangraphs rocks and certainly points out how a player like Fooky might be underrated ... but has anybody ever noticed that, according to that site, Theriot is defensively a Top 10 shortstop (and 3rd best in the NL) and is overall the 6th most valuable in all of baseball?  Does that make him great too?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on August 20, 2009, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 08:58:39 PM
You need to get laid.

I think it's fun that you're wrong about everything in life, not just baseball.

I'm newly married.  I think I'm doing ok Romeo.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 10:12:00 PM
Quote from: Pre on August 20, 2009, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 08:58:39 PM
You need to get laid.

I think it's fun that you're wrong about everything in life, not just baseball.

I'm newly married.  I think I'm doing ok Romeo.

You're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on August 20, 2009, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 09:00:26 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on August 20, 2009, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 07:27:25 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on August 20, 2009, 07:20:12 PM
I wish that fucker Fukudome could do a better job of making sure runners get on base before he comes up, then don't score until he gets his hits.

¿Qué?

But if you're arguing that he's the leadoff hitter we've all been waiting for -- and I think that's what you're trying to say there -- then maybe he should have better than a 43% success rate at stealing bases.

Actually, its not.  The fact that he wouldn't get more than 80 RBI has nothing to do with how good of a hitter he is; it has to do what what the hitters in front of him do.  


And stolen bases are fucking stupid, too, by the way.  

I'd agree with that.  I never really cared if the leadoff guy steals a ton of bases, but he's not really helping anybody if he tries to steal bases and fails.  I'd rather he hit all those doubles and triples and get on base at a .390 ratio and never even try to steal a base if he's going to fail so regularly.  

Edited to add: Fukudome is also on pace to score only 78 runs despite his high OBP.  Obviously it's not his fault that the people batting behind him have failed to drive him in regularly, though.  Then again, of his 358 at bats this season, only 84 have come in the leadoff spot.

He's on pace to have 596 plate appearances.  If he had 596 plate appearances from the leadoff spot, he'd be on pace to score 88 runs, despite his .321 AVG and .437 OBP from that spot.  I understand, though, that he can't help that the hitters behind him aren't able to drive him in.  I was merely comparing him with Mark Grace, a guy who spent the majority of his career batting 3rd -- or even cleanup -- and never drove in 100 runs in a season.

If he had 596 plate appearances batting 3rd, where he has the majority of his at bats this season, he'd be on pace to drive in 55 RBI.  I understand, though, that he can't help if he doesn't have many hitters in front of him to drive in.  Then again, he does have decent numbers with runners on.

I'm glad that Fukudome has turned his season around after a couple of very ugly months.  I agree that his defensive skills are a huge plus -- he'd be even better in RF.  As a leadoff man he's a good choice, so long as he doesn't actually try to steal bases.  I merely contested his "great"ness, based on his lack of power, his modest batting average, and his inability to hit lefties.  Pre -- for somebody who never called him great either -- sure did get upset at my "cherry picking" his statistics ... considering that I basically laid out his entire offensive line, including OBP and OPS, minus doubles and triples.  Oh well.

For a self-professed huge loser dork, you have a truly awful understanding of how to use statistics to evaluate a player. Stolen bases and runs, huzzah!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 10:20:53 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 09:35:55 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 09:05:37 PM
For starters, Kosuke has been playing baseball for well over 11 months. If you're gonna be a nitpicky asshole yourself...

Maybe he's spent the winter months playing in the Dominican, or back home in Japan, but the actual months he's spent playing in the bigs have been two Aprils, Mays, Junes, Julys, and Augusts, along with one September/October.  That's 11 months of big league baseball.  In those 11 months, he's batted below .200 in August of '08 (.193), in September of '08 (.178), and as recently as in June of '09 (.169).  Perhaps he's as streaky a hitter as Soriano.

You clearly missed my admittedly pedantic point:

Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
... his illustrious 11 months-so-far of playing baseball...

Think about it.

Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 09:35:55 PM
Look at that line a little closer...

Did you even read my fucking post?

Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 09:35:55 PM...in May he batted 60 points lower than he did in April.  In June he batted 108 points lower than he did in May.  He batted 138 points higher in July than he did in June, and so far in August he's batting 32 points lower than he did in July.  Recognizing that any player will have slumps and hot streaks, those are still some very low dips and very high peaks.

I'm fine with that, as long as the numbers pan out in the end.

Batting average?

Really?

Okay. Accepting the importance of batting average for sake of argument... Are you saying that "batting 32 points lower than he did in July" means his .275 average this month qualifies as either a "slump" or a "very low dip"? Likewise his May average of .277?

I'm not disputing that his June sucked. What's your point?

Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 10:12:00 PM
Quote from: Pre on August 20, 2009, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 08:58:39 PM
You need to get laid.

I think it's fun that you're wrong about everything in life, not just baseball.

I'm newly married.  I think I'm doing ok Romeo.

You're doing it wrong.

You suck at making sense.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 10:23:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 20, 2009, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 09:00:26 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on August 20, 2009, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 07:27:25 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on August 20, 2009, 07:20:12 PM
I wish that fucker Fukudome could do a better job of making sure runners get on base before he comes up, then don't score until he gets his hits.

¿Qué?

But if you're arguing that he's the leadoff hitter we've all been waiting for -- and I think that's what you're trying to say there -- then maybe he should have better than a 43% success rate at stealing bases.

Actually, its not.  The fact that he wouldn't get more than 80 RBI has nothing to do with how good of a hitter he is; it has to do what what the hitters in front of him do.  


And stolen bases are fucking stupid, too, by the way.  

I'd agree with that.  I never really cared if the leadoff guy steals a ton of bases, but he's not really helping anybody if he tries to steal bases and fails.  I'd rather he hit all those doubles and triples and get on base at a .390 ratio and never even try to steal a base if he's going to fail so regularly.  

Edited to add: Fukudome is also on pace to score only 78 runs despite his high OBP.  Obviously it's not his fault that the people batting behind him have failed to drive him in regularly, though.  Then again, of his 358 at bats this season, only 84 have come in the leadoff spot.

He's on pace to have 596 plate appearances.  If he had 596 plate appearances from the leadoff spot, he'd be on pace to score 88 runs, despite his .321 AVG and .437 OBP from that spot.  I understand, though, that he can't help that the hitters behind him aren't able to drive him in.  I was merely comparing him with Mark Grace, a guy who spent the majority of his career batting 3rd -- or even cleanup -- and never drove in 100 runs in a season.

If he had 596 plate appearances batting 3rd, where he has the majority of his at bats this season, he'd be on pace to drive in 55 RBI.  I understand, though, that he can't help if he doesn't have many hitters in front of him to drive in.  Then again, he does have decent numbers with runners on.

I'm glad that Fukudome has turned his season around after a couple of very ugly months.  I agree that his defensive skills are a huge plus -- he'd be even better in RF.  As a leadoff man he's a good choice, so long as he doesn't actually try to steal bases.  I merely contested his "great"ness, based on his lack of power, his modest batting average, and his inability to hit lefties.  Pre -- for somebody who never called him great either -- sure did get upset at my "cherry picking" his statistics ... considering that I basically laid out his entire offensive line, including OBP and OPS, minus doubles and triples.  Oh well.

For a self-professed huge loser dork, you have a truly awful understanding of how to use statistics to evaluate a player. Stolen bases and runs, huzzah!

Bolded for aid with comprehension'd. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on August 20, 2009, 10:34:24 PM
I don't like this crazy new world where every Desipio thread inevitably devolves into this one (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6963.0).  We'll have to see how this plays out.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 10:36:19 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 10:20:53 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 09:35:55 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 09:05:37 PM
For starters, Kosuke has been playing baseball for well over 11 months. If you're gonna be a nitpicky asshole yourself...

Maybe he's spent the winter months playing in the Dominican, or back home in Japan, but the actual months he's spent playing in the bigs have been two Aprils, Mays, Junes, Julys, and Augusts, along with one September/October.  That's 11 months of big league baseball.  In those 11 months, he's batted below .200 in August of '08 (.193), in September of '08 (.178), and as recently as in June of '09 (.169).  Perhaps he's as streaky a hitter as Soriano.

You clearly missed my admittedly pedantic point:

As long as you also recognized yourself as also being a "nitpicky asshole."

QuoteDid you even read my fucking post?

I did, and you tried to convince me that Fukudome is consistent.  I would surmise based on his splits that he's very streaky.

Quote
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 09:35:55 PM...in May he batted 60 points lower than he did in April.  In June he batted 108 points lower than he did in May.  He batted 138 points higher in July than he did in June, and so far in August he's batting 32 points lower than he did in July.  Recognizing that any player will have slumps and hot streaks, those are still some very low dips and very high peaks.

I'm fine with that, as long as the numbers pan out in the end.

Batting average?

Really?

Okay. Accepting the importance of batting average for sake of argument... Are you saying that "batting 32 points lower than he did in July" means his .275 average this month qualifies as either a "slump" or a "very low dip"? Likewise his May average of .277?

I'm not disputing that his June sucked. What's your point?

That he's a good, inconsistent, defensively-admirable, less-than-great, walk-machine of a player?  And maybe that, with all due respect to Fangraphs (who tells us that Theriot is "worth" a similar figure to Fukudome), maybe the Cubs are paying him a little bit more than he's worth and almost certainly more than what he'd get on the free agent market (be it $14 million or $12.5)?  
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on August 20, 2009, 10:46:56 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 10:00:44 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 20, 2009, 09:43:51 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 09:35:55 PM
I think we'd all agree that if Fukudome had 15-20 seasons just like this one he wouldn't be banging down the door of the Hall of Fame.

ORLY?

You know many .272 career hitters with less than 200 career homeruns, 3000 hits, and defense just shy of Gold Glove caliber running around Cooperstown right now?*

(*that weren't voted in by a Veterans Committee)

Aside: Fangraphs rocks and certainly points out how a player like Fooky might be underrated ... but has anybody ever noticed that, according to that site, Theriot is defensively a Top 10 shortstop (and 3rd best in the NL) and is overall the 6th most valuable in all of baseball?  Does that make him great too?

If he posted 20 more seasons at his current rate, he'd rank 20th all-time among Hall of Famers in terms of runs created (using the simplified OBP*SLG*PA formula) with 2091. That would place him right ahead of George Brett (2089) and a little behind Al Kaline (2093). But I guess the BBWAA shares your irrational infatuation with counting stats, so perhaps you're right.

Edit: Certainly, there are better ways of proving you wrong. Runs Created isn't without its faults. I guess I could go on, but the fact that you are analyzing player production with BA, HR, RBI and "Gold Glove caliber" as your metrics of choice indicate that any additional time would be a waste. I was nice and didn't count his home run tonight which would just prove you even more wrong. Even at 15 years of current production, he'd wind up with an RC of 1568. That would place him slightly above the average HOFer (1560). However, it should be noted that said average HOFer averages 18 seasons, so Fukudome's current production soundly outpaces that of the average inductee.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 11:19:53 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 20, 2009, 10:46:56 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 10:00:44 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 20, 2009, 09:43:51 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 09:35:55 PM
I think we'd all agree that if Fukudome had 15-20 seasons just like this one he wouldn't be banging down the door of the Hall of Fame.

ORLY?

You know many .272 career hitters with less than 200 career homeruns, 3000 hits, and defense just shy of Gold Glove caliber running around Cooperstown right now?*

(*that weren't voted in by a Veterans Committee)

Aside: Fangraphs rocks and certainly points out how a player like Fooky might be underrated ... but has anybody ever noticed that, according to that site, Theriot is defensively a Top 10 shortstop (and 3rd best in the NL) and is overall the 6th most valuable in all of baseball?  Does that make him great too?

If he posted 20 more seasons at his current rate, he'd rank 20th all-time among Hall of Famers in terms of runs created (using the simplified OBP*SLG*PA formula) with 2091. That would place him right ahead of George Brett (2089) and a little behind Al Kaline (2093). But I guess the BBWAA shares your irrational infatuation with counting stats, so perhaps you're right.

Edit: Certainly, there are better ways of proving you wrong. Runs Created isn't without its faults. I guess I could go on and waste more time.That said, I was nice and didn't count his home run tonight which would just prove you even more wrong. Even at 15 years of current production, he'd wind up with an RC of 1568. That would place him slightly above the average HOFer (1560). It should be noted that said average HOFer averages 18 seasons, so Fukudome's current production soundly outpaces that of the average inductee.

So you think that Fukudome is Hall of Fame caliber.  My question is this: is he the greatest player of all time, or only the greatest Cub?

I apologize for only "liking" Fukudome and thinking he was merely a "better than bad, but way, way less than great" player.  I understand now why he might be seen as being worth every penny of the $12.5 million the Cubs are paying him. 

You're probably right, though, about RC (or wRC) not really working as being the end-all, be-all way of measuring a hitter's success.  Looking at the list of players who would fall in line somewhere above or below what Fukudome's projected output would be, it's kind of hard to believe that even you, ChuckD, would think players like Edgar Martinez, Fred McGriff, Harold Baines, Luis Gonzalez, Larry Walker, Rusty Staub, and a handful of others are Hall of Fame material.  Then again, on a somewhat unrelated note, considering that you don't really trust the "irrational BBWAA" to make the right choices, it doesn't exactly make sense to use the numbers of the "average HOFer" as a gauge for Fukudome's hypothetical comparative success. 

Or perhaps they should open the floodgates a little and be more receptive of non-traditionally successful players getting into the Hall.  I've always supported a "The More the Merrier" approach in that regard.

Anyway, did I mention that I actually like Fukudome?  Are you seriously arguing with me for not liking him enough?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 20, 2009, 11:31:52 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on August 20, 2009, 10:34:24 PM
I don't like this crazy new world where every Desipio thread inevitably devolves into this one (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6963.0).  We'll have to see how this plays out.

I blame Matt Murton for all of this.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: butthead on August 21, 2009, 12:13:02 AM
Most of these posts are way too long. There's no way I am going to read all of this shit. I'm too tired for that. I think I got it though....Theriot and Bradley and Fukudome have been somewhere between okay and great, the Cubs have been mediocre, and I am ready for football.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 21, 2009, 12:15:20 AM
WGN news is teasing a story that the Cubs' sale is "imminent".

EDIT: The Trib has this on its website.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-fri-cubs-sale-aug21,0,1530428.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-fri-cubs-sale-aug21,0,1530428.story)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on August 21, 2009, 01:02:45 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 11:19:53 PM
So you think that Fukudome is Hall of Fame caliber.  My question is this: is he the greatest player of all time, or only the greatest Cub?

Greatest player of all time isn't highly likely. I'm just saying that, given the extremely improbable assumptions of the thought experiment that you proposed, Fukudome ranges from at minimum being a borderline HOFer in terms of RC to being among the elite. As of right now, he's probably not even top 100. But, since he's getting 15-20 seasons of production at his peak level, he should be in the HOF. Yes, I know. It's a retarded thought experiment. I didn't create it. Some other douche was responsible.

Quote
I apologize for only "liking" Fukudome and thinking he was merely a "better than bad, but way, way less than great" player.

You should be. He's "better than good, but probably not quite great."

QuoteI understand now why he might be seen as being worth every penny of the $12.5 million the Cubs are paying him.

Great. I'm glad that you understand that now. However, I'm still going to post the rest of this...

Quote
You're probably right, though, about RC (or wRC) not really working as being the end-all, be-all way of measuring a hitter's success.  Looking at the list of players who would fall in line somewhere above or below what Fukudome's projected output would be, it's kind of hard to believe that even you, ChuckD, would think players like Edgar Martinez, Fred McGriff, Harold Baines, Luis Gonzalez, Larry Walker, Rusty Staub, and a handful of others are Hall of Fame material.

Again, these are the confines of your own hypothetical. Of the six players you listed, most were defensive liabilities who were stashed at positions on the right left side of the defensive spectrum to limit the consequences. All offer pretty poor comparisons since Fukudome would be playing 20 years of above average defense at a premium position. Gonzalez is the one real exception, although he's likely to receive around the same level of support as Dwight Evans (who should be in the HOF).

At 15 years, Fukudome's RC would be 1627. Of players who have RC greater than or equal to this, 56/64 have been inducted in to the HOF. Those eight unsuccessful include Mark McGwire, Andre Dawson, Tim Raines, and Pete Rose. Dawson and Raines will almost certainly get in. McGwire and Rose aren't really applicable due to other circumstances. Adjusting, that results in a 58/62 success rate, or about 93.5%. At 20 years of hypothetical production, he's a lock for induction unless he hypothetically gambles on baseball.

QuoteThen again, on a somewhat unrelated note, considering that you don't really trust the "irrational BBWAA" to make the right choices, it doesn't exactly make sense to use the numbers of the "average HOFer" as a gauge for Fukudome's hypothetical comparative success.

Do you ever read what you type? It doesn't make sense. You claimed Fukudome isn't worthy of the HOF assuming 15-20 years of present level production. Who do you want me to compare Fukudome to if not said HOFers?

Quote
Or perhaps they should open the floodgates a little and be more receptive of non-traditionally successful players getting into the Hall.  I've always supported a "The More the Merrier" approach in that regard.

Um, okay? I really couldn't care less who the HOF lets in. Let in Mickey Morandini for all I care.

Quote
Anyway, did I mention that I actually like Fukudome?

Yeah, but you also mentioned that you molest children and we all know you flip-flopped on that too. Flip-flopper.

Quote
Are you seriously arguing with me for not liking him enough?

No. I'm arguing that given 15-20 years of hypothetical production, Fukudome's a HOFer. Christ, are you ever dense.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 21, 2009, 06:22:09 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 21, 2009, 01:02:45 AM
No. I'm arguing that given 15-20 years of hypothetical production, Fukudome's a HOFer. Christ, are you ever dense.

I am extremely dense.  I'm having a lot of trouble wrapping my head around your opinion that Fukudome is a Hall of Famer based on his hypothetical production as compared with a group of players you apparently don't think are HoF worthy (based on the idiots who voted them in) except you wouldn't care if Mickey Morandini got voted in.  Do you ever read the stuff you write before you post it?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Waco Kid on August 21, 2009, 06:53:19 AM
Holy crap. What the hell happened in here?

So Fukudome either sucks ass, is average, great, or a HOFer.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 21, 2009, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 21, 2009, 06:53:19 AM
Holy crap. What the hell happened in here?

So Fukudome either sucks ass, is average, great, or a HOFer.

Don't be ridiculous -- it's not even debatable. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: TDubbs on August 21, 2009, 06:59:35 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 21, 2009, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 21, 2009, 06:53:19 AM
Holy crap. What the hell happened in here?

So Fukudome either sucks ass, is average, great, or a HOFer.

Don't be ridiculous -- it's not even debatable. 

I seriously hate you.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 21, 2009, 07:34:05 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on August 21, 2009, 06:59:35 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 21, 2009, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 21, 2009, 06:53:19 AM
Holy crap. What the hell happened in here?

So Fukudome either sucks ass, is average, great, orputting up a HOFer.-like numbers this season.

Don't be ridiculous -- it's not even debatable. 

I seriously hate you.

You're right -- that was unfair of me.  Fix'd.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on August 21, 2009, 07:44:49 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 21, 2009, 07:34:05 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on August 21, 2009, 06:59:35 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 21, 2009, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 21, 2009, 06:53:19 AM
Holy crap. What the hell happened in here?

So Fukudome either sucks ass, is average, great, orputting up a HOFer.-like numbers this season.

Don't be ridiculous -- it's not even debatable. 

I seriously hate you.

You're right -- that was unfair of me.  Fix'd.

Kurt, I hope the real life version of you isn't as much of an insufferable pile of douche as the internet version of you. You can't win your argument on the merits, so you resort to ridiculous strawmen and overly pedantic bullshit, and you clearly think that both are edgy and amusing. But your retorts are actually so painfully unfunny and wrong they make the internet version of me want to blow my brains out for having read them.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on August 21, 2009, 07:51:02 AM

he touched a lot of people.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: SKO on August 21, 2009, 07:52:57 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 21, 2009, 07:44:49 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 21, 2009, 07:34:05 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on August 21, 2009, 06:59:35 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 21, 2009, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 21, 2009, 06:53:19 AM
Holy crap. What the hell happened in here?

So Fukudome either sucks ass, is average, great, orputting up a HOFer.-like numbers this season.

Don't be ridiculous -- it's not even debatable. 

I seriously hate you.

You're right -- that was unfair of me.  Fix'd.

Kurt, I hope the real life version of you isn't as much of an insufferable pile of douche as the internet version of you. You can't win your argument on the merits, so you resort to ridiculous strawmen and overly pedantic bullshit, and you clearly think that both are edgy and amusing. But your retorts are actually so painfully unfunny and wrong they make the internet version of me want to blow my brains out for having read them.

I'm a psycho off my meds'd.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 21, 2009, 07:58:50 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 21, 2009, 07:44:49 AM
Kurt, I hope the real life version of you isn't as much of an insufferable pile of douche as the internet version of you. You can't win your argument on the merits, so you resort to ridiculous strawmen and overly pedantic bullshit, and you clearly think that both are edgy and amusing. But your retorts are actually so painfully unfunny and wrong they make the internet version of me want to blow my brains out for having read them.

Yes, but is Megan Fox the hottest girl ever or is she only the hottest girl in this thread?

(http://www.pynkcelebrity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/megan-fox.jpg)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/cs-reginaleaderpost/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00/00/02/26/96/megan-fox1.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0TTXDM86AJ1CB68A7P02&Expires=1250870319&Signature=HS%2f5fK3rpGOlbTvflMqis%2boBij0%3d)
(http://blogs.nypost.com/popwrap/photos/Megan-Fox-naked-GQ%201.jpg)
(http://woodenspears.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/megan-fox-panties.jpg)
(http://www.specialreport.com/images/megan_fox_fhm.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: *In a Nutsack on August 21, 2009, 07:59:43 AM
So, this is what it's like to be a janitor who walks into a bathroom to do his daily routine cleaning only to find spray shat all over the walls.

The smartest thing I read in this thread (before giving up around page 8) was something PenFoe Pre (edit:  why do I get those two mixed up all the time?) wrote about Theriot not being blamed because he plays for a team that employs a GM that insists on playing a perfectly competent 2B at SS.  Everything Kurt said makes me want to kick a baby panda in the scrote.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on August 21, 2009, 08:00:56 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 21, 2009, 07:58:50 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 21, 2009, 07:44:49 AM
Kurt, I hope the real life version of you isn't as much of an insufferable pile of douche as the internet version of you. You can't win your argument on the merits, so you resort to ridiculous strawmen and overly pedantic bullshit, and you clearly think that both are edgy and amusing. But your retorts are actually so painfully unfunny and wrong they make the internet version of me want to blow my brains out for having read them.

Yes, but is Megan Fox the hottest girl ever or is she only the hottest girl in this thread?

(http://www.pynkcelebrity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/megan-fox.jpg)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/cs-reginaleaderpost/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00/00/02/26/96/megan-fox1.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0TTXDM86AJ1CB68A7P02&Expires=1250870319&Signature=HS%2f5fK3rpGOlbTvflMqis%2boBij0%3d)
(http://blogs.nypost.com/popwrap/photos/Megan-Fox-naked-GQ%201.jpg)
(http://woodenspears.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/megan-fox-panties.jpg)
(http://www.specialreport.com/images/megan_fox_fhm.jpg)

Definitely the hottest girl in this thread. If her tits give 15 more years of hypothetical production at those levels, she's got a case for "ever."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Canadouche on August 21, 2009, 08:04:02 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 21, 2009, 08:00:56 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 21, 2009, 07:58:50 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 21, 2009, 07:44:49 AM
Kurt, I hope the real life version of you isn't as much of an insufferable pile of douche as the internet version of you. You can't win your argument on the merits, so you resort to ridiculous strawmen and overly pedantic bullshit, and you clearly think that both are edgy and amusing. But your retorts are actually so painfully unfunny and wrong they make the internet version of me want to blow my brains out for having read them.

Yes, but is Megan Fox the hottest girl ever or is she only the hottest girl in this thread?

(http://www.pynkcelebrity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/megan-fox.jpg)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/cs-reginaleaderpost/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00/00/02/26/96/megan-fox1.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0TTXDM86AJ1CB68A7P02&Expires=1250870319&Signature=HS%2f5fK3rpGOlbTvflMqis%2boBij0%3d)
(http://blogs.nypost.com/popwrap/photos/Megan-Fox-naked-GQ%201.jpg)
(http://woodenspears.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/megan-fox-panties.jpg)
(http://www.specialreport.com/images/megan_fox_fhm.jpg)

Definitely the hottest girl in this thread. If her tits give 15 more years of hypothetical production at those levels, she's got a case for "ever."

I can definitely get behind that.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on August 21, 2009, 08:18:44 AM
I'm just going to play chess with Creed until this whole thing blows over.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on August 21, 2009, 08:46:15 AM
what the hell
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on August 21, 2009, 08:50:13 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 21, 2009, 08:18:44 AM
I'm just going to play chess with Creed until this whole thing blows over.

Doesn't surprise me that you'd hang out with Scott Stapp.

He sucks, you know.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on August 21, 2009, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 21, 2009, 08:50:13 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 21, 2009, 08:18:44 AM
I'm just going to play chess with Creed until this whole thing blows over.

Doesn't surprise me that you'd hang out with Scott Stapp.

He sucks, you know.

Creed is better than Sister Hazel.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on August 21, 2009, 09:42:15 AM
Quote from: BH on August 21, 2009, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 21, 2009, 08:50:13 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 21, 2009, 08:18:44 AM
I'm just going to play chess with Creed until this whole thing blows over.

Doesn't surprise me that you'd hang out with Scott Stapp.

He sucks, you know.

Creed is better than Sister Hazel.

Sister Hazel is better than Nickelback.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on August 21, 2009, 09:45:57 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 21, 2009, 09:42:15 AM
Quote from: BH on August 21, 2009, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 21, 2009, 08:50:13 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 21, 2009, 08:18:44 AM
I'm just going to play chess with Creed until this whole thing blows over.

Doesn't surprise me that you'd hang out with Scott Stapp.

He sucks, you know.

Creed is better than Sister Hazel.

Sister Hazel is better than Nickelback.

They're both better than The Regrets.

And cooler.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on August 21, 2009, 10:11:02 AM
Quote from: MAD on August 21, 2009, 09:45:57 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 21, 2009, 09:42:15 AM
Quote from: BH on August 21, 2009, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 21, 2009, 08:50:13 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 21, 2009, 08:18:44 AM
I'm just going to play chess with Creed until this whole thing blows over.

Doesn't surprise me that you'd hang out with Scott Stapp.

He sucks, you know.

Creed is better than Sister Hazel.

Sister Hazel is better than Nickelback.

They're both better than The Regrets.

And cooler.

And thinner.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on August 21, 2009, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: Jon on August 21, 2009, 10:11:02 AM
Quote from: MAD on August 21, 2009, 09:45:57 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 21, 2009, 09:42:15 AM
Quote from: BH on August 21, 2009, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 21, 2009, 08:50:13 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 21, 2009, 08:18:44 AM
I'm just going to play chess with Creed until this whole thing blows over.

Doesn't surprise me that you'd hang out with Scott Stapp.

He sucks, you know.

Creed is better than Sister Hazel.

Sister Hazel is better than Nickelback.

They're both better than The Regrets.

And cooler.

And thinner.

And better looking.

Fuck those guys. 3C is taking over the world in 2010!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on August 21, 2009, 12:39:05 PM
What the fuck?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Simmer on August 21, 2009, 05:35:15 PM
How's the visibility?

I'd suggest someone kick Kevin Gregg in the mouth, but then how would he be able to breathe?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on August 22, 2009, 01:08:40 AM
Quote from: Simmer on August 21, 2009, 05:35:15 PM
How's the visibility?

I'd suggest someone kick Kevin Gregg in the mouth, but then how would he be able to breathe?

Through his eyelids?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on August 24, 2009, 04:51:48 PM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1731661,potash-cubs-24.article

"They can stick with Crane Kenney and Jim Hendry and win a World Series. And they can dump them and never win it. But I'm anxious to find out just how happy they are with the status quo. I want to know if they're thinking big."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on August 24, 2009, 04:54:20 PM
Quote from: BH on August 24, 2009, 04:51:48 PM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1731661,potash-cubs-24.article

"They can stick with Crane Kenney and Jim Hendry and win a World Series. And they can dump them and never win it. But I'm anxious to find out just how happy they are with the status quo. I want to know if they're thinking big."

Damnit!  I need to know what sort of voodoo thing they'll be sticking into Kenney and Hendry to make sure they win the World Series.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on August 25, 2009, 01:35:12 PM
Pretty good interview (if you ignore all the boring Padres stuff) with Crane's rumored replacement. Sounds like a total statqueen. Part 3 gets into his drafting philosophy.

QuoteI'd say there were two competitive theories at that time, personified on the one hand by Earl Weaver and on the other hand by Gene Mauch. Weaver believed in the three-run homer, and Mauch believed in little ball.

From my standpoint it was the Eric Walkers and the Bill James who I think were able to very adequately support the Earl Weaver approach to the game in terms of overall success and what created the highest probability for success.

http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/06/chatting-with-sandy-alderson-part-1.html (http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/06/chatting-with-sandy-alderson-part-1.html)

http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/06/chatting-with-sandy-alderson-part-2.html (http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/06/chatting-with-sandy-alderson-part-2.html)

http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/06/chatting-with-sandy-alderson-part-3.html (http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/06/chatting-with-sandy-alderson-part-3.html)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on August 25, 2009, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 25, 2009, 01:35:12 PM
Pretty good interview (if you ignore all the boring Padres stuff) with Crane's rumored replacement. Sounds like a total statqueen. Part 3 gets into his drafting philosophy.

Crain's staying put.  See, he has the backing of Al Yellon.  Crane's qualification?  He wants to be like the Red Sox.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on August 25, 2009, 03:11:26 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 25, 2009, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 25, 2009, 01:35:12 PM
Pretty good interview (if you ignore all the boring Padres stuff) with Crane's rumored replacement. Sounds like a total statqueen. Part 3 gets into his drafting philosophy.

Crain's staying put.
  See, he has the backing of Al Yellon.  Crane's qualification?  He wants to be like the Red Sox.

God dammit. You're right. (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4421661)

QuoteChicago Cubs chairman Crane Kenney has an agreement in place with Tom Ricketts to stay in his current capacity as the team is being sold by Tribune Co. to the Ricketts family, according to ESPN 1000.

The agreement is for multiple years, a source close to Kenney told the radio station.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on August 25, 2009, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 25, 2009, 03:11:26 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 25, 2009, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 25, 2009, 01:35:12 PM
Pretty good interview (if you ignore all the boring Padres stuff) with Crane's rumored replacement. Sounds like a total statqueen. Part 3 gets into his drafting philosophy.

Crain's staying put.
  See, he has the backing of Al Yellon.  Crane's qualification?  He wants to be like the Red Sox.

God dammit. You're right. (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4421661)

QuoteChicago Cubs chairman Crane Kenney has an agreement in place with Tom Ricketts to stay in his current capacity as the team is being sold by Tribune Co. to the Ricketts family, according to ESPN 1000.

The agreement is for multiple years, a source close to Kenney told the radio station.

Buckle up, we're heading back to the 70s.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on August 25, 2009, 03:22:04 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 25, 2009, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 25, 2009, 03:11:26 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 25, 2009, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 25, 2009, 01:35:12 PM
Pretty good interview (if you ignore all the boring Padres stuff) with Crane's rumored replacement. Sounds like a total statqueen. Part 3 gets into his drafting philosophy.

Crain's staying put.
  See, he has the backing of Al Yellon.  Crane's qualification?  He wants to be like the Red Sox.

God dammit. You're right. (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4421661)

QuoteChicago Cubs chairman Crane Kenney has an agreement in place with Tom Ricketts to stay in his current capacity as the team is being sold by Tribune Co. to the Ricketts family, according to ESPN 1000.

The agreement is for multiple years, a source close to Kenney told the radio station.

Buckle up, we're heading back to the 70s.

I wasn't here for that time. Something tells me I won't enjoy it.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: fiveouts on August 25, 2009, 04:03:21 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 25, 2009, 03:11:26 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 25, 2009, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 25, 2009, 01:35:12 PM
Pretty good interview (if you ignore all the boring Padres stuff) with Crane's rumored replacement. Sounds like a total statqueen. Part 3 gets into his drafting philosophy.

Crain's staying put.
  See, he has the backing of Al Yellon.  Crane's qualification?  He wants to be like the Red Sox.

God dammit. You're right. (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4421661)

QuoteChicago Cubs chairman Crane Kenney has an agreement in place with Tom Ricketts to stay in his current capacity as the team is being sold by Tribune Co. to the Ricketts family, according to ESPN 1000.

The agreement is for multiple years, a source close to Kenney told the radio station.


Just a heads up: that "according to ESPN 1000," is actually according to Harry Teinowitz-not exactly a bastion of tremendous investigative journalism. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: SKO on August 25, 2009, 04:06:27 PM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2009/08/your-new-cubs-president.html Rosenbloom knows what the organization NEEDS
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on August 25, 2009, 04:12:33 PM
This information is from ESPN 1000.  I don't buy it.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Waco Kid on August 25, 2009, 05:04:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2009, 04:06:27 PM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2009/08/your-new-cubs-president.html Rosenbloom knows what the organization NEEDS

Well if anything, it seems that Rosenbloom can write while chugging Stone's wang.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on August 25, 2009, 06:49:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2009, 04:06:27 PM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2009/08/your-new-cubs-president.html Rosenbloom knows what the organization NEEDS

Jeebus Christ RosenDOOM, what the hell was that?

First, I'm sure that guys like John Schuerholz, Gillick, Lucchino and Alderson would be very pleased to be mentioned in the same paragraph as Andy MacPhail.

I also like the idea of Stone as some kind of front office hard-ass.  Nobody kissed as much Sammy Sosa ass(figureatively and probably literally) as Stone did when he was in the booth.


Second, I doubt these Crane Kenney rumors because they make no sense.  What does Kenney bring to the current position, other than knowing where the coffee pot is?  What, is Kenney the only person who knows the magic formula for marketing the team to a legion of dolts?  Is he the only one who remembers what year Wrigley Field turns 100?

If Ricketts isn't going to hire a "baseball guy" to be team President, why would he pay good money for a dope like Kenney to do the job?  If Ricketts was going to have a team president who never worked in baseball, I'd think he'd just take the job himself, rather than pay an empty suit like Crane Kenney to do the job.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on August 26, 2009, 09:00:59 AM
Quote from: CT III on August 25, 2009, 06:49:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2009, 04:06:27 PM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2009/08/your-new-cubs-president.html Rosenbloom knows what the organization NEEDS

Jeebus Christ RosenDOOM, what the hell was that?

First, I'm sure that guys like John Schuerholz, Gillick, Lucchino and Alderson would be very pleased to be mentioned in the same paragraph as Andy MacPhail.

I also like the idea of Stone as some kind of front office hard-ass.  Nobody kissed as much Sammy Sosa ass(figureatively and probably literally) as Stone did when he was in the booth.


Second, I doubt these Crane Kenney rumors because they make no sense.  What does Kenney bring to the current position, other than knowing where the coffee pot is?  What, is Kenney the only person who knows the magic formula for marketing the team to a legion of dolts?  Is he the only one who remembers what year Wrigley Field turns 100?

If Ricketts isn't going to hire a "baseball guy" to be team President, why would he pay good money for a dope like Kenney to do the job?  If Ricketts was going to have a team president who never worked in baseball, I'd think he'd just take the job himself, rather than pay an empty suit like Crane Kenney to do the job.

Moreover, why the hell would Ricketts be making promises before the deal is even consummated?  Where is the value in that?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on August 26, 2009, 09:02:29 AM
Quote from: CT III on August 25, 2009, 06:49:01 PM
Second, I doubt these Crane Kenney rumors because they make no sense.  What does Kenney bring to the current position, other than knowing where the coffee pot is?  What, is Kenney the only person who knows the magic formula for marketing the team to a legion of dolts?  Is he the only one who remembers what year Wrigley Field turns 100?

Crane "gets it."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on August 26, 2009, 09:05:14 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 26, 2009, 09:00:59 AM
Quote from: CT III on August 25, 2009, 06:49:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2009, 04:06:27 PM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2009/08/your-new-cubs-president.html Rosenbloom knows what the organization NEEDS

Jeebus Christ RosenDOOM, what the hell was that?

First, I'm sure that guys like John Schuerholz, Gillick, Lucchino and Alderson would be very pleased to be mentioned in the same paragraph as Andy MacPhail.

I also like the idea of Stone as some kind of front office hard-ass.  Nobody kissed as much Sammy Sosa ass(figureatively and probably literally) as Stone did when he was in the booth.


Second, I doubt these Crane Kenney rumors because they make no sense.  What does Kenney bring to the current position, other than knowing where the coffee pot is?  What, is Kenney the only person who knows the magic formula for marketing the team to a legion of dolts?  Is he the only one who remembers what year Wrigley Field turns 100?

If Ricketts isn't going to hire a "baseball guy" to be team President, why would he pay good money for a dope like Kenney to do the job?  If Ricketts was going to have a team president who never worked in baseball, I'd think he'd just take the job himself, rather than pay an empty suit like Crane Kenney to do the job.

Moreover, why the hell would Ricketts be making promises before the deal is even consummated?  Where is the value in that?

Kenney stops calling him.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on August 26, 2009, 09:16:02 AM
Intrepid Reader: You Know Who

Quote2. Retain Crane Kenney. Kenney took over as chairman of the Cubs when John McDonough left as team president in November 2007; before that he was a member of the team's board of directors. Since taking over as, essentially, the CEO, Kenney has brought in new advertising deals (the Under Armour deal the most visible), opened up management to fans by having meetings with season ticket holders, and, at least until the Tribune Co. bankruptcy this year made it impossible to do so, gave Jim Hendry the green light on high-priced in-season acquisitions (such as Rich Harden) to improve the team. Kenney's vision is to take the model that John Henry's Red Sox have made over the last seven years and make the Cubs into that team -- a perennial contender. Kenney has done a good job -- keep him.

So just to summarize, reasons for keeping Crane:
1. Somehow, through the magic of his charm and salesmanship, was able to convince companies to buy advertising, essentially creating the entire market that is "Cubs baseball" in one fell swoop
2. Put ads on the outfield wall.  Quite an achievement.
3. Had meetings with season ticket holders to discuss such pressing issues as vendors with cotton candy sticks, the need for having TVs to watch the game you presumably bought a ticket to watch in person, and ushers "blocking aisles while escorting people to their seats" because damn it, those ushers should be floating instead of walking (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/6/29/929506/cubs-season-ticket-holder-lunch)
4. Gave Hendry the "green light" to spend money on high-priced in-season acquisitions, since that's definitely Kenney's own money, and I'm sure we'd all point to the key acquisitions of Tom Gorzelanny and John Grabow that really helped turn the corner in 2009 ... wait, what's that, he just did what his bosses told him to?  You're wrong!  Kenney calls the shots around here, pal!
5. Wants to turn the Cubs into the Red Sox, which means "a perennial contender", even though Kenney knows nothing about developing the actual talent on the field and, in fact, runs the business side of things, but nevermind, he's the only one who understands the Red Sox's success

Sounds like a solid argument to me. Kenney it is.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Brownie on August 26, 2009, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on August 26, 2009, 09:16:02 AM
3. Had meetings with season ticket holders to discuss such pressing issues as vendors with cotton candy sticks, the need for having TVs to watch the game you presumably bought a ticket to watch in person, and ushers "blocking aisles while escorting people to their seats" because damn it, those ushers should be floating instead of walking (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/6/29/929506/cubs-season-ticket-holder-lunch)


Wasn't the volume of the speakers in the bleachers THAT WERE TOO LOUD the top item on the agenda during this meeting of the minds?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Reuschels_Jowls on August 26, 2009, 11:57:43 PM
My reaction to the Kenney news: meh.

First off, the sourcing and statements are vague as hell. We don't know what was actually agreed to. Like Chuck said, if Kenney's being kept on board to negotiate TV contracts, advertising deals and select a contractor for the Triangle building, no biggie. And I think that's the one of the two most likely scenarios here, the other one being that Kenney somehow was able to wriggle a clause into the sale agreement protecting his job and/or giving him nice fat payout should Ricketts decide to can him in 2010.

But I think it highly unlikely that he'll be involved in any baseball decisions once Ricketts assumes full control (which may not be until the spring).


Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on August 27, 2009, 07:45:26 AM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on August 26, 2009, 09:16:02 AM
Intrepid Reader: You Know Who

Quote2. Retain Crane Kenney. Kenney took over as chairman of the Cubs when John McDonough left as team president in November 2007; before that he was a member of the team's board of directors. Since taking over as, essentially, the CEO, Kenney has brought in new advertising deals (the Under Armour deal the most visible), opened up management to fans by having meetings with season ticket holders, and, at least until the Tribune Co. bankruptcy this year made it impossible to do so, gave Jim Hendry the green light on high-priced in-season acquisitions (such as Rich Harden) to improve the team. Kenney's vision is to take the model that John Henry's Red Sox have made over the last seven years and make the Cubs into that team -- a perennial contender. Kenney has done a good job -- keep him.

So just to summarize, reasons for keeping Crane:
1. Somehow, through the magic of his charm and salesmanship, was able to convince companies to buy advertising, essentially creating the entire market that is "Cubs baseball" in one fell swoop
2. Put ads on the outfield wall.  Quite an achievement.
3. Had meetings with season ticket holders to discuss such pressing issues as vendors with cotton candy sticks, the need for having TVs to watch the game you presumably bought a ticket to watch in person, and ushers "blocking aisles while escorting people to their seats" because damn it, those ushers should be floating instead of walking (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/6/29/929506/cubs-season-ticket-holder-lunch)
4. Gave Hendry the "green light" to spend money on high-priced in-season acquisitions, since that's definitely Kenney's own money, and I'm sure we'd all point to the key acquisitions of Tom Gorzelanny and John Grabow that really helped turn the corner in 2009 ... wait, what's that, he just did what his bosses told him to?  You're wrong!  Kenney calls the shots around here, pal!
5. Wants to turn the Cubs into the Red Sox, which means "a perennial contender", even though Kenney knows nothing about developing the actual talent on the field and, in fact, runs the business side of things, but nevermind, he's the only one who understands the Red Sox's success

Sounds like a solid argument to me. Kenney it is.

I made it through about 3 paragraphs of that tripe, and that was enough to see that:

1) Al admitted he is incapable of original thought (something like "since everyone else is giving advice, I thought I should too")

2) Al's ego is so gigantic that after listing all the Ricketts' success, he then promises 9 suggestions for the new owners. There is nobody too successful they can't do better once they have unsolicited advice from one Alvin Yellon.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on August 27, 2009, 07:57:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 27, 2009, 07:45:26 AM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on August 26, 2009, 09:16:02 AM
Intrepid Reader: You Know Who

Quote2. Retain Crane Kenney. Kenney took over as chairman of the Cubs when John McDonough left as team president in November 2007; before that he was a member of the team's board of directors. Since taking over as, essentially, the CEO, Kenney has brought in new advertising deals (the Under Armour deal the most visible), opened up management to fans by having meetings with season ticket holders, and, at least until the Tribune Co. bankruptcy this year made it impossible to do so, gave Jim Hendry the green light on high-priced in-season acquisitions (such as Rich Harden) to improve the team. Kenney's vision is to take the model that John Henry's Red Sox have made over the last seven years and make the Cubs into that team -- a perennial contender. Kenney has done a good job -- keep him.

So just to summarize, reasons for keeping Crane:
1. Somehow, through the magic of his charm and salesmanship, was able to convince companies to buy advertising, essentially creating the entire market that is "Cubs baseball" in one fell swoop
2. Put ads on the outfield wall.  Quite an achievement.
3. Had meetings with season ticket holders to discuss such pressing issues as vendors with cotton candy sticks, the need for having TVs to watch the game you presumably bought a ticket to watch in person, and ushers "blocking aisles while escorting people to their seats" because damn it, those ushers should be floating instead of walking (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/6/29/929506/cubs-season-ticket-holder-lunch)
4. Gave Hendry the "green light" to spend money on high-priced in-season acquisitions, since that's definitely Kenney's own money, and I'm sure we'd all point to the key acquisitions of Tom Gorzelanny and John Grabow that really helped turn the corner in 2009 ... wait, what's that, he just did what his bosses told him to?  You're wrong!  Kenney calls the shots around here, pal!
5. Wants to turn the Cubs into the Red Sox, which means "a perennial contender", even though Kenney knows nothing about developing the actual talent on the field and, in fact, runs the business side of things, but nevermind, he's the only one who understands the Red Sox's success

Sounds like a solid argument to me. Kenney it is.

I made it through about 3 paragraphs of that tripe, and that was enough to see that:

1) Al admitted he is incapable of original thought (something like "since everyone else is giving advice, I thought I should too")

2) Al's ego is so gigantic that after listing all the Ricketts' success, he then promises 9 suggestions for the new owners. There is nobody too successful they can't do better once they have unsolicited advice from one Alvin Yellon.

The most predictably trite part of that shite is that Al doesn't get around to making any recommendations even tangentially related to the actual product on the field until his 4th suggestion.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on August 27, 2009, 08:45:14 AM
Quote from: MAD on August 27, 2009, 07:57:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 27, 2009, 07:45:26 AM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on August 26, 2009, 09:16:02 AM
Intrepid Reader: You Know Who

Quote2. Retain Crane Kenney. Kenney took over as chairman of the Cubs when John McDonough left as team president in November 2007; before that he was a member of the team's board of directors. Since taking over as, essentially, the CEO, Kenney has brought in new advertising deals (the Under Armour deal the most visible), opened up management to fans by having meetings with season ticket holders, and, at least until the Tribune Co. bankruptcy this year made it impossible to do so, gave Jim Hendry the green light on high-priced in-season acquisitions (such as Rich Harden) to improve the team. Kenney's vision is to take the model that John Henry's Red Sox have made over the last seven years and make the Cubs into that team -- a perennial contender. Kenney has done a good job -- keep him.

So just to summarize, reasons for keeping Crane:
1. Somehow, through the magic of his charm and salesmanship, was able to convince companies to buy advertising, essentially creating the entire market that is "Cubs baseball" in one fell swoop
2. Put ads on the outfield wall.  Quite an achievement.
3. Had meetings with season ticket holders to discuss such pressing issues as vendors with cotton candy sticks, the need for having TVs to watch the game you presumably bought a ticket to watch in person, and ushers "blocking aisles while escorting people to their seats" because damn it, those ushers should be floating instead of walking (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/6/29/929506/cubs-season-ticket-holder-lunch)
4. Gave Hendry the "green light" to spend money on high-priced in-season acquisitions, since that's definitely Kenney's own money, and I'm sure we'd all point to the key acquisitions of Tom Gorzelanny and John Grabow that really helped turn the corner in 2009 ... wait, what's that, he just did what his bosses told him to?  You're wrong!  Kenney calls the shots around here, pal!
5. Wants to turn the Cubs into the Red Sox, which means "a perennial contender", even though Kenney knows nothing about developing the actual talent on the field and, in fact, runs the business side of things, but nevermind, he's the only one who understands the Red Sox's success

Sounds like a solid argument to me. Kenney it is.

I made it through about 3 paragraphs of that tripe, and that was enough to see that:

1) Al admitted he is incapable of original thought (something like "since everyone else is giving advice, I thought I should too")

2) Al's ego is so gigantic that after listing all the Ricketts' success, he then promises 9 suggestions for the new owners. There is nobody too successful they can't do better once they have unsolicited advice from one Alvin Yellon.

The most predictably trite part of that shite is that Al doesn't get around to making any recommendations even tangentially related to the actual product on the field until his 4th suggestion.

Intrepid Reader: Alvin Yellon

Of course I know the difference. My ass is dark and nasty and people avoid it.

A hole in the ground is...wait, there is a difference, right?

It's a trick question! YOU HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM BLEED CUBBIE BLUE.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2009, 08:48:25 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 27, 2009, 08:45:14 AM
Intrepid Reader: Alvin Yellon

Of course I know the difference. My ass is dark and nasty and people avoid it.

Who does he think he is?  Liza Minelli?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on August 27, 2009, 03:15:52 PM
Harden and Heilmann claimed on waivers DRLP? Who would f'ng want Heilmann?

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9993146/Sources:-Cubs%27-Harden,-Heilman-claimed
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on August 27, 2009, 03:16:20 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy's website says Heilman and Harden were claimed on waivers:

"A National League team claimed Aaron Heilman and Rich Harden was claimed by an unknown team.

Harden earns $7MM this year, but, like Hoffman, he projects as a Type A free agent, so his value is high. Teams such as the Giants, Rockies and Dodgers would all figure to have interest in Harden, but the Cubs would be in a position to command a lot for him."


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/hoffman-harden-heilman-claimed-on-waivers.html




Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on August 27, 2009, 03:17:07 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 27, 2009, 03:16:20 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy's website says Heilman and Harden were claimed on waivers:

"A National League team claimed Aaron Heilman and Rich Harden was claimed by an unknown team.

Harden earns $7MM this year, but, like Hoffman, he projects as a Type A free agent, so his value is high. Teams such as the Giants, Rockies and Dodgers would all figure to have interest in Harden, but the Cubs would be in a position to command a lot for him."


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/hoffman-harden-heilman-claimed-on-waivers.html






WAIVER FACED BITCH!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on August 27, 2009, 03:27:53 PM
Yeah.

And I concur: who would want Heilman?

I offer to drive the Gas Can to whatever team claimed him. And I'll wear my seatbelt.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: TDubbs on August 27, 2009, 03:30:57 PM
Has anybody been claimed lately?

GAS CAN FOR PIRATE SLOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on September 04, 2009, 12:29:23 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy has some breaking news:

"The Cubs acquired righty Thomas Diamond from the Rangers, MLBTR has learned.  Diamond, the 10th overall pick in the 2004 draft, was designated for assignment Tuesday by Texas.  He had Tommy John surgery in '07, and has struggled with his control since."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on September 04, 2009, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: Dave B on September 04, 2009, 12:29:23 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy has some breaking news:

"The Cubs acquired righty Thomas Diamond from the Rangers, MLBTR has learned.  Diamond, the 10th overall pick in the 2004 draft, was designated for assignment Tuesday by Texas.  He had Tommy John surgery in '07, and has struggled with his control since."

Of course.
Ryan Dempster was the worst thing to happen to Hendry.

For every Dempster, there's a Wade Miller, Scott Williamson, Chad Fox, BJ Ryan, etc. etc. etc. that Hendry forgets about.
The problem isn't really that Hendry continually plays Mother Teresa to guys with arm problems, it's that the one time they pan out, they're rewarded with 4/$52. 

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on September 04, 2009, 12:46:53 PM
Quote from: Dave B on September 04, 2009, 12:29:23 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy has some breaking news:

"The Cubs acquired righty Thomas Diamond from the Rangers, MLBTR has learned.  Diamond, the 10th overall pick in the 2004 draft, was designated for assignment Tuesday by Texas.  He had Tommy John surgery in '07, and has struggled with his control since."

http://firedustybaker2.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/open-thread-16/#comment-3530

I'm glad he did this just to spite those fuckheads
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Waco Kid on September 04, 2009, 12:57:21 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 04, 2009, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: Dave B on September 04, 2009, 12:29:23 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy has some breaking news:

"The Cubs acquired righty Thomas Diamond from the Rangers, MLBTR has learned.  Diamond, the 10th overall pick in the 2004 draft, was designated for assignment Tuesday by Texas.  He had Tommy John surgery in '07, and has struggled with his control since."

Of course.
Ryan Dempster was the worst thing to happen to Hendry.

For every Dempster, there's a Wade Miller, Scott Williamson, Chad Fox, BJ Ryan, etc. etc. etc. that Hendry forgets about.
The problem isn't really that Hendry continually plays Mother Teresa to guys with arm problems, it's that the one time they pan out and crap their pants in the playoffs, they're rewarded with 4/$52. 



Base on ball'd
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on September 04, 2009, 01:26:12 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on September 04, 2009, 12:46:53 PM
Quote from: Dave B on September 04, 2009, 12:29:23 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy has some breaking news:

"The Cubs acquired righty Thomas Diamond from the Rangers, MLBTR has learned.  Diamond, the 10th overall pick in the 2004 draft, was designated for assignment Tuesday by Texas.  He had Tommy John surgery in '07, and has struggled with his control since."

http://firedustybaker2.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/open-thread-16/#comment-3530

I'm glad he did this just to spite those fuckheads

I'm glad you linked that, but only because I forgot about Mike Sirotka.  Yeesh.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on September 08, 2009, 01:48:49 PM
MEP destination possibility. Could burn it down after.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/reo/1360603126.html
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on September 09, 2009, 11:33:03 AM
From a Japanese baseball website:

"Sports Hochi is reporting that a number of MLB scouts were on hand to take in Chunichi Dragons ace Wei-Yin Chen's latest win, a two-hit shutout over Hanshin at Koshien. Among them was Steve Wilson, the Cubs' Director of Asia Pacific scouting, who commented "of course we know Chen, but I can't talk about specific players." A scout from an unnamed AL East team said that if he were available, "about 15 teams would move on him." Chen is in the midst of a dominating season (8-3, 1.45 era, 142.1 ip). I have every intention of doing a full profile of him, I can say that he features a fastball that reaches the mid-90's and a sharp slider.

The new bit of information in this article is that Chen is on a single year contract, and thus eligible to change teams after the season. Chen, 24, signed out of Taiwan in 2004 after small bidding war between Chunichi, Daiei (now SoftBank) and MLB clubs. Since he's a member of the NPB players' union (most foreign players are not), I always thought he was under a standard NPB entry contract. If that's not the case that he'll certainly attract attention this season."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on September 10, 2009, 12:53:33 AM
Quote from: Dave B on September 09, 2009, 11:33:03 AM
From a Japanese baseball website:

"Sports Hochi is reporting that a number of MLB scouts were on hand to take in Chunichi Dragons ace Wei-Yin Chen's latest win, a two-hit shutout over Hanshin at Koshien. Among them was Steve Wilson, the Cubs' Director of Asia Pacific scouting, who commented "of course we know Chen, but I can't talk about specific players." A scout from an unnamed AL East team said that if he were available, "about 15 teams would move on him." Chen is in the midst of a dominating season (8-3, 1.45 era, 142.1 ip). I have every intention of doing a full profile of him, I can say that he features a fastball that reaches the mid-90's and a sharp slider.

The new bit of information in this article is that Chen is on a single year contract, and thus eligible to change teams after the season. Chen, 24, signed out of Taiwan in 2004 after small bidding war between Chunichi, Daiei (now SoftBank) and MLB clubs. Since he's a member of the NPB players' union (most foreign players are not), I always thought he was under a standard NPB entry contract. If that's not the case that he'll certainly attract attention this season."


Great, a new FukuFriend.TM
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on September 10, 2009, 10:54:14 AM
Quote from: BH on September 08, 2009, 01:48:49 PM
MEP destination possibility. Could burn it down after.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/reo/1360603126.html

Cheaper than Brixen Ivy was.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on September 10, 2009, 10:55:46 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 10, 2009, 10:54:14 AM
Quote from: BH on September 08, 2009, 01:48:49 PM
MEP destination possibility. Could burn it down after.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/reo/1360603126.html

Cheaper than Brixen Ivy was.

Better brownies, too.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on September 10, 2009, 11:02:27 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 10, 2009, 10:55:46 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 10, 2009, 10:54:14 AM
Quote from: BH on September 08, 2009, 01:48:49 PM
MEP destination possibility. Could burn it down after.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/reo/1360603126.html

Cheaper than Brixen Ivy was.

Better brownies, too.

Probably less sasquatch women around too.
I think I might actually buy the space for my new Joe Jackson museum.
Might be just a place to host the towels the kids threw in the pool.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on September 13, 2009, 09:53:06 PM
Unlike in his playing career, your Next Cubs Manager is heading to the championship series. (http://floridastate.league.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090913&content_id=6940842&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CubFaninHydePark on September 13, 2009, 10:14:56 PM
QuoteAnd they're starting to enjoy the taste of champagne.

They give minor leaguers champagne?  Really?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on September 14, 2009, 08:56:07 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on September 13, 2009, 10:14:56 PM
QuoteAnd they're starting to enjoy the taste of champagne.

They give minor leaguers champagne?  Really?

Probably not in PITTSBURGH!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on September 14, 2009, 09:34:08 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on September 13, 2009, 10:14:56 PM
QuoteAnd they're starting to enjoy the taste of champagne.

They give minor leaguers champagne?  Really?

That's all the champagne left over from the cancelled 2007 and 2008 MLB playoffs.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on September 15, 2009, 10:51:56 AM
Sources have informed Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune that the Cubs plan to shop Carlos Zambrano this offseason.
And Big Z seems comfortable with the idea of moving on to another club. "Maybe if I go to a different city next year," he said Monday, "if I get traded, I can do what I want." More than $50 million remains on his current contract and Cubs general manager Jim Hendry is sure to demand a large package of prospects in return, so a deal seems unlikely. Zambrano, 28, is 8-6 this season with a 3.77 ERA and 1.41 WHIP in 24 starts. Sep. 15 - 11:06 am et
Source: Chicago Tribune
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on September 15, 2009, 10:59:02 AM
Quote from: BH on September 15, 2009, 10:51:56 AM
Sources have informed Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune that the Cubs plan to shop Carlos Zambrano this offseason.
And Big Z seems comfortable with the idea of moving on to another club. "Maybe if I go to a different city next year," he said Monday, "if I get traded, I can do what I want." More than $50 million remains on his current contract and Cubs general manager Jim Hendry is sure to demand a large package of prospects in return, so a deal seems unlikely. Zambrano, 28, is 8-6 this season with a 3.77 ERA and 1.41 WHIP in 24 starts. Sep. 15 - 11:06 am et
Source: Chicago Tribune

Steve Stone says there will be a ton of interest and Carlos hasn't ruled out the White Sox. The White Sox apparently have a ton of young talent to give up.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on September 15, 2009, 11:08:26 AM
I'd be stunned if they actually traded him.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on September 15, 2009, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 15, 2009, 11:08:26 AM
I'd be stunned if they actually traded him.

Typically the Cubs like to crush a player's value via the media before trading them. I'm sure stories about Z being a bad teammate, clubhouse CANCER, lazy, no good asshole will be leaked soon. Then we'll trade him for Jeremy Reed, Lance Broadway and Luis Castillo. And pick up 80% of Z's contract.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on September 15, 2009, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 15, 2009, 11:08:26 AM
I'd be stunned if they actually traded him.
I'll be pissed, but not surprised.  The sale is going to result in massive debt payments.  They need to free up cash flow.  While Z is the most valuable of their high priced guys, he's also the most tradeable.  Trading Z saves $18 million per year.  They couldn't save $18 million next year by unloading all three of Soriano, Fukudome and Bradley.

Quote from: BH on September 15, 2009, 11:12:29 AM
Typically the Cubs like to crush a player's value via the media before trading them. I'm sure stories about Z being a bad teammate, clubhouse CANCER, lazy, no good asshole will be leaked soon. Then we'll trade him for Jeremy Reed, Lance Broadway and Luis Castillo. And pick up 80% of Z's contract.

You mean like this? http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-10-cubs-pirates-chicago-sep10,0,7823245.story

QuoteBut it was the inning that Zambrano didn't work -- the seventh -- that got the Lou and Big Z act into high gear.

They appeared to get into a war of words in the dugout after Piniella decided to lift Zambrano. Piniella said Zambrano tried to talk him into letting him go one more inning, to no avail.

"I told him, 'Let's just build and get you stronger and stronger,' " Piniella said.

Zambrano didn't agree with the decision, so Piniella threw up his hands.

"I told him, 'Next time if you want, I won't warm anybody up and I'll let you pitch nine innings.' I don't think he liked that one," Piniella said.

Zambrano pretended that nothing had happened when he began talking to reporters after the game.

"I wanted to pitch another inning, but it's Lou's decision," he said. "Nothing I can do about it."

But didn't he try to get Piniella to give him another inning?

"I'll bet you asked him the same question, because you saw the replay and everyone thought we were arguing, but we weren't," Zambrano said. "We were just talking normally. But it seems like every time Lou talks, it seems like he's mad -- the way he moves his hands. Everybody thinks he's mad, but he's not.

So what did Piniella say to him?

"He told me 'Don't get angry' in Spanish," Zambrano said. "I said 'I'm not angry. I just want to pitch one more inning. He told me next time I will pitch a complete game and he will let me pitch 200 pitches, no matter what."

Zambrano then laughed.

"Two hundred pitches is tough to do," he said. "But it was kind of funny, the way he told me."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on September 15, 2009, 11:53:22 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 15, 2009, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 15, 2009, 11:08:26 AM
I'd be stunned if they actually traded him.
I'll be pissed, but not surprised.  The sale is going to result in massive debt payments.  They need to free up cash flow.  While Z is the most valuable of their high priced guys, he's also the most tradeable.  Trading Z saves $18 million per year.  They couldn't save $18 million next year by unloading all three of Soriano, Fukudome and Bradley.

Quote from: BH on September 15, 2009, 11:12:29 AM
Typically the Cubs like to crush a player's value via the media before trading them. I'm sure stories about Z being a bad teammate, clubhouse CANCER, lazy, no good asshole will be leaked soon. Then we'll trade him for Jeremy Reed, Lance Broadway and Luis Castillo. And pick up 80% of Z's contract.

You mean like this? http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-10-cubs-pirates-chicago-sep10,0,7823245.story

QuoteBut it was the inning that Zambrano didn't work -- the seventh -- that got the Lou and Big Z act into high gear.

They appeared to get into a war of words in the dugout after Piniella decided to lift Zambrano. Piniella said Zambrano tried to talk him into letting him go one more inning, to no avail.

"I told him, 'Let's just build and get you stronger and stronger,' " Piniella said.

Zambrano didn't agree with the decision, so Piniella threw up his hands.

"I told him, 'Next time if you want, I won't warm anybody up and I'll let you pitch nine innings.' I don't think he liked that one," Piniella said.

Zambrano pretended that nothing had happened when he began talking to reporters after the game.

"I wanted to pitch another inning, but it's Lou's decision," he said. "Nothing I can do about it."

But didn't he try to get Piniella to give him another inning?

"I'll bet you asked him the same question, because you saw the replay and everyone thought we were arguing, but we weren't," Zambrano said. "We were just talking normally. But it seems like every time Lou talks, it seems like he's mad -- the way he moves his hands. Everybody thinks he's mad, but he's not.

So what did Piniella say to him?

"He told me 'Don't get angry' in Spanish," Zambrano said. "I said 'I'm not angry. I just want to pitch one more inning. He told me next time I will pitch a complete game and he will let me pitch 200 pitches, no matter what."

Zambrano then laughed.

"Two hundred pitches is tough to do," he said. "But it was kind of funny, the way he told me."

Nothing crushes a player's value like a story that says that he wants to pitch more.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: *In a Nutsack on September 15, 2009, 12:12:22 PM
Quote from: BH on September 15, 2009, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 15, 2009, 11:08:26 AM
I'd be stunned if they actually traded him.

Typically the Cubs like to crush a player's value via the media before trading them. I'm sure stories about Z being a bad teammate, clubhouse CANCER, lazy, no good asshole will be leaked soon. Then we'll trade him for Jeremy Reed, Lance Broadway and Luis Castillo. And pick up 80% of Z's contract.

You spelled Carlos Beltran wrong.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Brownie on September 15, 2009, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 15, 2009, 11:53:22 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 15, 2009, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 15, 2009, 11:08:26 AM
I'd be stunned if they actually traded him.
I'll be pissed, but not surprised.  The sale is going to result in massive debt payments.  They need to free up cash flow.  While Z is the most valuable of their high priced guys, he's also the most tradeable.  Trading Z saves $18 million per year.  They couldn't save $18 million next year by unloading all three of Soriano, Fukudome and Bradley.

Quote from: BH on September 15, 2009, 11:12:29 AM
Typically the Cubs like to crush a player's value via the media before trading them. I'm sure stories about Z being a bad teammate, clubhouse CANCER, lazy, no good asshole will be leaked soon. Then we'll trade him for Jeremy Reed, Lance Broadway and Luis Castillo. And pick up 80% of Z's contract.

You mean like this? http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-10-cubs-pirates-chicago-sep10,0,7823245.story

QuoteBut it was the inning that Zambrano didn't work -- the seventh -- that got the Lou and Big Z act into high gear.

They appeared to get into a war of words in the dugout after Piniella decided to lift Zambrano. Piniella said Zambrano tried to talk him into letting him go one more inning, to no avail.

"I told him, 'Let's just build and get you stronger and stronger,' " Piniella said.

Zambrano didn't agree with the decision, so Piniella threw up his hands.

"I told him, 'Next time if you want, I won't warm anybody up and I'll let you pitch nine innings.' I don't think he liked that one," Piniella said.

Zambrano pretended that nothing had happened when he began talking to reporters after the game.

"I wanted to pitch another inning, but it's Lou's decision," he said. "Nothing I can do about it."

But didn't he try to get Piniella to give him another inning?

"I'll bet you asked him the same question, because you saw the replay and everyone thought we were arguing, but we weren't," Zambrano said. "We were just talking normally. But it seems like every time Lou talks, it seems like he's mad -- the way he moves his hands. Everybody thinks he's mad, but he's not.

So what did Piniella say to him?

"He told me 'Don't get angry' in Spanish," Zambrano said. "I said 'I'm not angry. I just want to pitch one more inning. He told me next time I will pitch a complete game and he will let me pitch 200 pitches, no matter what."

Zambrano then laughed.

"Two hundred pitches is tough to do," he said. "But it was kind of funny, the way he told me."

Nothing crushes a player's value like a story that says that he wants to pitch more.

DUH! It shows he's lazy!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Brownie on September 15, 2009, 12:28:30 PM
The schedule's out: (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=chc&m=4&y=2010)

Highlights:

Opener 4/5 @ ATL. Home opener 4/12 vs. the Brewers

Possibly brutal stetch in May: Cubs close an 8-game homestand with a M-T series with Colorado, then fly to Philly for 2, then fly to Texas for 3, get Memorial Day off, then host Dodgers and Cards for 3 each.

Host Sox 6/11-6/13. That's the opener of a 9-game homestand (Oakland comes in mid-week, followed by the Los Angeles California Angels of Anaheim) that comes after 3 games @ MIL.

Cubs go to Seattle for 3 after the homestand, then go to Comiskey.

West Coast trip (3 @ AZ, 4 @ Dodgers) precedes ASB (in Anaheim).

After break, 10 game homestand (Philly, Houston, Cards)

Final week of the season features a 4 gamer in San Diego, followed by 3 @ Houston.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on September 15, 2009, 12:31:21 PM
Quote from: Brownie on September 15, 2009, 12:28:30 PM
The schedule's out: (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=chc&m=4&y=2010)

Highlights:

Opener 4/5 @ ATL. Home opener 4/12 vs. the Brewers

Possibly brutal stetch in May: Cubs close an 8-game homestand with a M-T series with Colorado, then fly to Philly for 2, then fly to Texas for 3, get Memorial Day off, then host Dodgers and Cards for 3 each.

Host Sox 6/11-6/13. That's the opener of a 9-game homestand (Oakland comes in mid-week, followed by the Los Angeles California Angels of Anaheim) that comes after 3 games @ MIL.

Cubs go to Seattle for 3 after the homestand, then go to Comiskey.

West Coast trip (3 @ AZ, 4 @ Dodgers) precedes ASB (in Anaheim).

After break, 10 game homestand (Philly, Houston, Cards)

Final week of the season features a 4 gamer in San Diego, followed by 3 @ Houston.



They also don't play in St. Louis until August, and only play them once before the All-Star break.  Could make for some good baseball in August and September, assuming they haven't fallen 15 games out by then.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on September 15, 2009, 01:31:10 PM
Quote from: Brownie on September 15, 2009, 12:28:30 PM
The schedule's out: (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=chc&m=4&y=2010)

Highlights:

Opener 4/5 @ ATL. Home opener 4/12 vs. the Brewers

Possibly brutal stetch in May: Cubs close an 8-game homestand with a M-T series with Colorado, then fly to Philly for 2, then fly to Texas for 3, get Memorial Day off, then host Dodgers and Cards for 3 each.

Host Sox 6/11-6/13. That's the opener of a 9-game homestand (Oakland comes in mid-week, followed by the Los Angeles California Angels of Anaheim) that comes after 3 games @ MIL.

Cubs go to Seattle for 3 after the homestand, then go to Comiskey.

West Coast trip (3 @ AZ, 4 @ Dodgers) precedes ASB (in Anaheim).

After break, 10 game homestand (Philly, Houston, Cards)

Final week of the season features a 4 gamer in San Diego, followed by 3 @ Houston.



When should Kermit schedule the 2010 MEP?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on September 15, 2009, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 15, 2009, 01:31:10 PM
Quote from: Brownie on September 15, 2009, 12:28:30 PM
The schedule's out: (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=chc&m=4&y=2010)

Highlights:

Opener 4/5 @ ATL. Home opener 4/12 vs. the Brewers

Possibly brutal stetch in May: Cubs close an 8-game homestand with a M-T series with Colorado, then fly to Philly for 2, then fly to Texas for 3, get Memorial Day off, then host Dodgers and Cards for 3 each.

Host Sox 6/11-6/13. That's the opener of a 9-game homestand (Oakland comes in mid-week, followed by the Los Angeles California Angels of Anaheim) that comes after 3 games @ MIL.

Cubs go to Seattle for 3 after the homestand, then go to Comiskey.

West Coast trip (3 @ AZ, 4 @ Dodgers) precedes ASB (in Anaheim).

After break, 10 game homestand (Philly, Houston, Cards)

Final week of the season features a 4 gamer in San Diego, followed by 3 @ Houston.



When should Kermit schedule the 2010 MEP?

Right after the Home Run Derby.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on September 15, 2009, 02:02:08 PM
Quote from: Andy on September 15, 2009, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 15, 2009, 01:31:10 PM
Quote from: Brownie on September 15, 2009, 12:28:30 PM
The schedule's out: (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=chc&m=4&y=2010)

Highlights:

Opener 4/5 @ ATL. Home opener 4/12 vs. the Brewers

Possibly brutal stetch in May: Cubs close an 8-game homestand with a M-T series with Colorado, then fly to Philly for 2, then fly to Texas for 3, get Memorial Day off, then host Dodgers and Cards for 3 each.

Host Sox 6/11-6/13. That's the opener of a 9-game homestand (Oakland comes in mid-week, followed by the Los Angeles California Angels of Anaheim) that comes after 3 games @ MIL.

Cubs go to Seattle for 3 after the homestand, then go to Comiskey.

West Coast trip (3 @ AZ, 4 @ Dodgers) precedes ASB (in Anaheim).

After break, 10 game homestand (Philly, Houston, Cards)

Final week of the season features a 4 gamer in San Diego, followed by 3 @ Houston.



When should Kermit schedule the 2010 MEP?

Right after the Home Run Derby.



Samardzija's in the rotation?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 15, 2009, 02:02:51 PM
Quote from: BH on September 15, 2009, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 15, 2009, 11:08:26 AM
I'd be stunned if they actually traded him.

Typically the Cubs like to crush a player's value via the media before trading them. I'm sure stories about Z being a bad teammate, clubhouse CANCER, lazy, no good asshole will be leaked soon. Then we'll trade him for Jeremy Reed, Lance Broadway and Luis Castillo. And pick up 80% of Z's contract.

I was done being pissed about this abortion of a season and the douchebag GM who destroyed a 97-win team about a month ago but reading this shit today wrecked my mood.

The only reason they have to deal Zambrano is because Hendry is a fucking idiot who hands out ridiculously long high-dollar contracts and gives multi-year deals to shitty former Cardinals who should be off helping Frodo take the fucking Ring back to Mount Doom.

And Ricketts thinks the douchebag should keep his job?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on September 15, 2009, 02:12:12 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 15, 2009, 02:02:51 PM

And Ricketts thinks the douchebag should keep his job?


You'd think he owns the team or something.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2009, 05:35:05 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 15, 2009, 02:02:51 PM
Quote from: BH on September 15, 2009, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 15, 2009, 11:08:26 AM
I'd be stunned if they actually traded him.

Typically the Cubs like to crush a player's value via the media before trading them. I'm sure stories about Z being a bad teammate, clubhouse CANCER, lazy, no good asshole will be leaked soon. Then we'll trade him for Jeremy Reed, Lance Broadway and Luis Castillo. And pick up 80% of Z's contract.

I was done being pissed about this abortion of a season and the douchebag GM who destroyed a 97-win team about a month ago but reading this shit today wrecked my mood.

The only reason they have to deal Zambrano is because Hendry is a fucking idiot who hands out ridiculously long high-dollar contracts and gives multi-year deals to shitty former Cardinals who should be off helping Frodo take the fucking Ring back to Mount Doom.

And Ricketts thinks the douchebag should keep his job?


@baseballstone GODR gets it.  you're hiring Hendry instead.  nice choice rickettseses
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on September 15, 2009, 06:29:25 PM
Do the Cubs need a pitcher who makes collages?
"Hey, they all count. At least that's what Jeff Stevens was telling himself after allowing three runs in one inning Friday but still picking up his first major-league victory.

He did keep a ball and the lineup card from the game but is not sure what to do with them to add to his collection from his first major-league game.

"I don't have a house yet," he said. "They will make a nice little collage."

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CubFaninHydePark on September 15, 2009, 07:32:32 PM
Quote from: Brownie on September 15, 2009, 12:28:30 PM


Cubs go to Seattke for 3 after the homestand, then go to Comiskey


Nobody else caught this?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on September 15, 2009, 07:37:41 PM

As much as I hate the idea, the recent press bullshit about how Z's somehow a net
fucking negative for this team makes me actually afraid he's destined to get shipped
out this off season.  From a purely financial stand point he's the only big contract that
is actually movable, but mostly it's just total Cubs doctrine to get the media hype
machine trashing anyone they are going to deal to try and make fans not realize it's
just because they are cheap.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Tinker to Evers to Chance on September 15, 2009, 07:38:55 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on September 15, 2009, 07:32:32 PM
Quote from: Brownie on September 15, 2009, 12:28:30 PM


Cubs go to Seattke for 3 after the homestand, then go to Comiskey


Nobody else caught this?

I have no idea what you're talking about. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=4237.msg74671#msg74671)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on September 15, 2009, 07:40:25 PM
The Cubs should try to get the media hype machine to trash good, undervalued players on other teams and then trade for them. Here I'll start.

Hanley Ramirez doesn't call his mother but once a month.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 15, 2009, 07:50:01 PM
Quote from: Pre on September 15, 2009, 07:37:41 PM

As much as I hate the idea, the recent press bullshit about how Z's somehow a net
fucking negative for this team makes me actually afraid he's destined to get shipped
out this off season.  From a purely financial stand point he's the only big contract that
is actually movable, but mostly it's just total Cubs doctrine to get the media hype
machine trashing anyone they are going to deal to try and make fans not realize it's
just because they are cheap.

It's almost like the Trib didn't sell the team.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 15, 2009, 07:55:50 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on September 15, 2009, 07:38:55 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on September 15, 2009, 07:32:32 PM
Quote from: Brownie on September 15, 2009, 12:28:30 PM


Cubs go to Seattke for 3 after the homestand, then go to Comiskey


Nobody else caught this?

I have no idea what you're talking about. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=4237.msg74671#msg74671)

No... You're the one missing the point, man:

Quote from: Brownie on September 15, 2009, 12:28:30 PM
Cubs go to Seattle for 3 after the homestand, then go to Comiskey.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Tinker to Evers to Chance on September 15, 2009, 08:26:37 PM
I am duly chastised.  I'll go back to my corner now.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on September 15, 2009, 09:55:52 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 15, 2009, 07:50:01 PM
Quote from: Pre on September 15, 2009, 07:37:41 PM

As much as I hate the idea, the recent press bullshit about how Z's somehow a net
fucking negative for this team makes me actually afraid he's destined to get shipped
out this off season.  From a purely financial stand point he's the only big contract that
is actually movable, but mostly it's just total Cubs doctrine to get the media hype
machine trashing anyone they are going to deal to try and make fans not realize it's
just because they are cheap.

It's almost like the Trib didn't sell the team.
(http://miserablecubsfan.com/wp-content/uploads//2009/02/cranekenney.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on September 15, 2009, 09:58:28 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 15, 2009, 07:40:25 PM
The Cubs should try to get the media hype machine to trash good, undervalued players on other teams and then trade for them. Here I'll start.

Hanley Ramirez doesn't call his mother but once a month.

I hear Chase Utley didn't "get" Arrested Development.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on September 15, 2009, 10:37:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 15, 2009, 09:58:28 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 15, 2009, 07:40:25 PM
The Cubs should try to get the media hype machine to trash good, undervalued players on other teams and then trade for them. Here I'll start.

Hanley Ramirez doesn't call his mother but once a month.

I hear Chase Utley didn't "get" Arrested Development.

Jose Reyes practiced unlicensed cosmetic surgery on Beltran, Santana, Wright, and Church.

Mostly on Church.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 15, 2009, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: Pre on September 15, 2009, 10:37:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 15, 2009, 09:58:28 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 15, 2009, 07:40:25 PM
The Cubs should try to get the media hype machine to trash good, undervalued players on other teams and then trade for them. Here I'll start.

Hanley Ramirez doesn't call his mother but once a month.

I hear Chase Utley didn't "get" Arrested Development.

Jose Reyes practiced unlicensed cosmetic surgery on Beltran, Santana, Wright, and Church.

Mostly on Church.

Joe Mauer is Mike Fontenot's dad.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: thehawk on September 16, 2009, 08:45:16 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 15, 2009, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: Pre on September 15, 2009, 10:37:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 15, 2009, 09:58:28 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 15, 2009, 07:40:25 PM
The Cubs should try to get the media hype machine to trash good, undervalued players on other teams and then trade for them. Here I'll start.

Hanley Ramirez doesn't call his mother but once a month.

I hear Chase Utley didn't "get" Arrested Development.

Jose Reyes practiced unlicensed cosmetic surgery on Beltran, Santana, Wright, and Church.

Mostly on Church.

Joe Mauer is Mike Fontenot's dad.

Albert Pujols left a man behind at the battle of San Juan hill.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on September 16, 2009, 09:05:14 AM
Quote from: thehawk on September 16, 2009, 08:45:16 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 15, 2009, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: Pre on September 15, 2009, 10:37:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 15, 2009, 09:58:28 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 15, 2009, 07:40:25 PM
The Cubs should try to get the media hype machine to trash good, undervalued players on other teams and then trade for them. Here I'll start.

Hanley Ramirez doesn't call his mother but once a month.

I hear Chase Utley didn't "get" Arrested Development.

Albert Pujols left a man behind at the battle of San Juan hill.

Jose Reyes practiced unlicensed cosmetic surgery on Beltran, Santana, Wright, and Church.

Mostly on Church.

Joe Mauer is Mike Fontenot's dad.

Derek Jeter doesn't know how to use quotes in message board threads.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on September 16, 2009, 11:09:08 AM
The worst thing about trading Zambrano is that the Cubs are the only team in the league too stupid to realize how valuable he is, so they're all but guaranteed to get fleeced.

Also, Evan Longoria shotguns beers with TDubbs.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Waco Kid on September 16, 2009, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 16, 2009, 11:09:08 AM
The worst thing about trading Zambrano is that the Cubs are the only team in the league too stupid to realize how valuable he is, so they're all but guaranteed to get fleeced.

Also, Evan Longoria shotguns beers with TDubbs.

I wish the Cubs would stop listening to the hooplehead fans and writers that want Z traded no matter what. Because if they trade him for pennies on the dollar, of which would certainly happen, these same morans are going to wonder why the Cubs are no longer contenders.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BichetteHappens on September 16, 2009, 12:36:48 PM
If the Cubs trade Z, I'll just commit seppuku.

It'll be justified because of whatever garbage the Cubs receive in return. And it's more then likely going to be garbage.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: *In a Nutsack on September 16, 2009, 12:56:49 PM
Quote from: BichetteHappens on September 16, 2009, 12:36:48 PM
If the Cubs trade Z, I'll just commit seppuku.

It'll be justified because of whatever garbage the Cubs receive in return. And it's more then likely going to be garbage.



Odds he gets traded for a second baseman?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 16, 2009, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on September 16, 2009, 12:56:49 PM
Quote from: BichetteHappens on September 16, 2009, 12:36:48 PM
If the Cubs trade Z, I'll just commit seppuku.

It'll be justified because of whatever garbage the Cubs receive in return. And it's more then likely going to be garbage.



Odds he gets traded for a second baseman?

BRIAN ROBERTS!!!!!!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on September 16, 2009, 01:48:41 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 16, 2009, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on September 16, 2009, 12:56:49 PM
Quote from: BichetteHappens on September 16, 2009, 12:36:48 PM
If the Cubs trade Z, I'll just commit seppuku.

It'll be justified because of whatever garbage the Cubs receive in return. And it's more then likely going to be garbage.



Odds he gets traded for a second baseman?

BRIAN ROBERTS!!!!!!

Brian Roberts puts the milk carton back in the fridge even though there's not a lot of milk left.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on September 16, 2009, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 16, 2009, 01:48:41 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 16, 2009, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on September 16, 2009, 12:56:49 PM
Quote from: BichetteHappens on September 16, 2009, 12:36:48 PM
If the Cubs trade Z, I'll just commit seppuku.

It'll be justified because of whatever garbage the Cubs receive in return. And it's more then likely going to be garbage.



Odds he gets traded for a second baseman?

BRIAN ROBERTS!!!!!!

Brian Roberts puts the milk carton back in the fridge even though there's not a lot of milk left.

Ian Kinsler thinks the Cubs should trade Zambrano for a second baseman.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 16, 2009, 01:58:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 16, 2009, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 16, 2009, 01:48:41 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 16, 2009, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on September 16, 2009, 12:56:49 PM
Quote from: BichetteHappens on September 16, 2009, 12:36:48 PM
If the Cubs trade Z, I'll just commit seppuku.

It'll be justified because of whatever garbage the Cubs receive in return. And it's more then likely going to be garbage.



Odds he gets traded for a second baseman?

BRIAN ROBERTS!!!!!!

Brian Roberts puts the milk carton back in the fridge even though there's not a lot of milk left.

Ian Kinsler thinks the Cubs should trade Zambrano for a second baseman.

Chase Utley molests collies.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on September 16, 2009, 04:26:48 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 31, 2009, 12:46:54 PM
Since this thread evolved into "The Cubs should get a really good pitcher" I'm going to put this here.

Latest indications are that Brandon Webb most definitely needs surgery and will miss the majority, if not all, of the 2010 season.
The D-Backs have an $8 million option on him for 2010 that is now in jeopardy of being picked up as they are very budget conscious.

So, what I'm saying is...the Cubs should get Brandon Webb.

He'll be expensive, and he'll have to sit out a year, but his arm problems fit well with Hendry's MO.

That is all.

Just wanted to self-bump and move this from the Peavy thread.
Heard an interview with Webb this AM where he said either the D-Backs pick up the option for next year or he's going to be a free agent, meaning he is not going to negotiate with them.

Also, it sounds like he won't miss all of 2010, but should be ready June-ish.

And then there's this (http://twitter.com/BNightengale/statuses/3988393446) from USA Today's baseball writer.

Translation?

It's gonna hai.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BichetteHappens on September 24, 2009, 11:36:37 AM
I didn't know where to put this (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-23-cubs-brewers-chicago-sep23,0,6770078.story) but uh, no plz?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 24, 2009, 11:49:45 AM
Quote from: BichetteHappens on September 24, 2009, 11:36:37 AM
I didn't know where to put this (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-23-cubs-brewers-chicago-sep23,0,6770078.story) but uh, no plz?

Can't say I could blame Aramis if he decided he wanted out.

Decent interview from the Jockey, too.

QuoteEither way, the Bradley saga has put an exclamation mark on the most disappointing season of the Lou Piniella era. Ramirez, who is second on the Cubs with 63 RBIs despite missing two months with a dislocated left shoulder, called this one the worst of his seven years in Chicago.

"We had a worse record in 2006, but we didn't have a good team then," he said.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MidgetSellingWater on September 24, 2009, 01:56:34 PM
Holy crap.  I am dumber for having read the comments section, especially this gem.

Quotegetting rid of Ramirez would just about do me in. I don't care if the Cubs ever win a World Series. What I want is a good team with interesting players. I felt the same way about Grace, De Rosa, and Wood.

TXTom20 (09/24/2009, 12:07 PM )

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on September 24, 2009, 01:58:49 PM
Quote from: MidgetSellingWater on September 24, 2009, 01:56:34 PM
Holy crap.  I am dumber for having read the comments section, especially this gem.

Quotegetting rid of Ramirez would just about do me in. I don't care if the Cubs ever win a World Series. What I want is a good team with interesting players. I felt the same way about Grace, De Rosa, and Wood.

TXTom20 (09/24/2009, 12:07 PM )


i don care if the cubbies ever win ne thing, dont u dare lay a fingr on rigly feild!!!!!11
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on September 29, 2009, 01:06:10 PM
Tracy Ringolsby of FOXSports.com reports that if the Rockies earn the NL wild card, Jason Marquis may not make the postseason rotation.
Marquis earned his first All-Star nod this season and went 14-8 with a 3.58 ERA over his first 21 starts, however he is just 1-4 with a 5.48 ERA over his last seven starts, making his inclusion in a potential postseason rotation questionable, especially with the return of Aaron Cook last Friday. He has two more chances to get it together, facing Brewers on Tuesday and the Dodgers in the regular season finale on Sunday.
Source: FOXSports.com
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on September 29, 2009, 01:07:15 PM
Quote from: BH on September 29, 2009, 01:06:10 PM
Tracy Ringolsby of FOXSports.com reports that if the Rockies earn the NL wild card, Jason Marquis may not make the postseason rotation.
Marquis earned his first All-Star nod this season and went 14-8 with a 3.58 ERA over his first 21 starts, however he is just 1-4 with a 5.48 ERA over his last seven starts, making his inclusion in a potential postseason rotation questionable, especially with the return of Aaron Cook last Friday. He has two more chances to get it together, facing Brewers on Tuesday and the Dodgers in the regular season finale on Sunday.
Source: FOXSports.com

Did Steve Stone see that coming?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on September 29, 2009, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: BH on September 29, 2009, 01:06:10 PM
Tracy Ringolsby of FOXSports.com reports that if the Rockies earn the NL wild card, Jason Marquis may not make the postseason rotation.
Marquis earned his first All-Star nod this season and went 14-8 with a 3.58 ERA over his first 21 starts, however he is just 1-4 with a 5.48 ERA over his last seven starts, making his inclusion in a potential postseason rotation questionable, especially with the return of Aaron Cook last Friday. He has two more chances to get it together, facing Brewers on Tuesday and the Dodgers in the regular season finale on Sunday.
Source: FOXSports.com

Having Jason Marquis in the Cubs free agent thread is almost giving me a heart attack.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1QOSVHtjAnE/SHwxfvVkKiI/AAAAAAAAACE/ovKoTCNTucU/s320/heart_attack_250x251.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on September 29, 2009, 01:11:55 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on September 29, 2009, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: BH on September 29, 2009, 01:06:10 PM
Tracy Ringolsby of FOXSports.com reports that if the Rockies earn the NL wild card, Jason Marquis may not make the postseason rotation.
Marquis earned his first All-Star nod this season and went 14-8 with a 3.58 ERA over his first 21 starts, however he is just 1-4 with a 5.48 ERA over his last seven starts, making his inclusion in a potential postseason rotation questionable, especially with the return of Aaron Cook last Friday. He has two more chances to get it together, facing Brewers on Tuesday and the Dodgers in the regular season finale on Sunday.
Source: FOXSports.com

Having Jason Marquis in the Cubs free agent thread is almost giving me a heart attack.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1QOSVHtjAnE/SHwxfvVkKiI/AAAAAAAAACE/ovKoTCNTucU/s320/heart_attack_250x251.jpg)

You look older than I thought you would.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on September 29, 2009, 01:56:59 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 29, 2009, 01:11:55 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on September 29, 2009, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: BH on September 29, 2009, 01:06:10 PM
Tracy Ringolsby of FOXSports.com reports that if the Rockies earn the NL wild card, Jason Marquis may not make the postseason rotation.
Marquis earned his first All-Star nod this season and went 14-8 with a 3.58 ERA over his first 21 starts, however he is just 1-4 with a 5.48 ERA over his last seven starts, making his inclusion in a potential postseason rotation questionable, especially with the return of Aaron Cook last Friday. He has two more chances to get it together, facing Brewers on Tuesday and the Dodgers in the regular season finale on Sunday.
Source: FOXSports.com

Having Jason Marquis in the Cubs free agent thread is almost giving me a heart attack.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1QOSVHtjAnE/SHwxfvVkKiI/AAAAAAAAACE/ovKoTCNTucU/s320/heart_attack_250x251.jpg)

You look older than I thought you would.

That dude looks older than Lou?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on September 30, 2009, 11:04:34 AM
From the good and bad columns:

I decided to check out the box score of last night's game since I was told Dempster threw a shutout. I noticed (good) that Ryan Theriot walked four times. I also noticed (bad) that he was caught stealing twice with zero success, thus nullifying two of those walks.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on September 30, 2009, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: Trinew: The Boiler on September 30, 2009, 11:04:34 AM
I decided to check out the box score of last night's game since I was told Dempster threw a shutout. I noticed (good) that Ryan Theriot walked four times. I also noticed (bad) that he was caught stealing twice with zero success, thus nullifying two of those walks.

Theriot should be fined every time he tries to steal a base.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on September 30, 2009, 12:09:19 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 30, 2009, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: Trinew: The Boiler on September 30, 2009, 11:04:34 AM
I decided to check out the box score of last night's game since I was told Dempster threw a shutout. I noticed (good) that Ryan Theriot walked four times. I also noticed (bad) that he was caught stealing twice with zero success, thus nullifying two of those walks.

Theriot should be fined every time he tries to steal a base.

He's a serviceable 2B. I bet he'd get caught less if he played his true position.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on September 30, 2009, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 30, 2009, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: Trinew: The Boiler on September 30, 2009, 11:04:34 AM
I decided to check out the box score of last night's game since I was told Dempster threw a shutout. I noticed (good) that Ryan Theriot walked four times. I also noticed (bad) that he was caught stealing twice with zero success, thus nullifying two of those walks.

Theriot should be fined every time he tries to steal a base.

Intrepid Reader: Harry Callahan

A man's got to know his limitations.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 30, 2009, 12:41:55 PM
Why the fuck couldn't Gregg suffer a season-ending injury in March?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on September 30, 2009, 12:44:49 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 30, 2009, 12:41:55 PM
Why the fuck couldn't Gregg suffer a season-ending injury in March?

Because he wanted to be good in June and July?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on September 30, 2009, 12:53:06 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on September 30, 2009, 12:44:49 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 30, 2009, 12:41:55 PM
Why the fuck couldn't Gregg suffer a season-ending injury in March?

Because he wanted to be good in June and July?

I guess I could have included May, as well
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on September 30, 2009, 03:56:31 PM
Update on Weeb's Hendry target. Why didn't they consider this 4 months ago?

"Adam Rubin of the New York Daily News reports that Jose Reyes may require surgery on his injured right hamstring.
This news comes after Reyes felt discomfort trying to run on Tuesday. He was expected to be reexamined Wednesday afternoon, so there should be more word forthcoming on his status soon. Either way, it looks like just about an absolute certainty that we won't be seeing him back on the field for the Mets until next season. Sep. 30 - 2:49 pm et
Source: New York Daily News "
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on October 03, 2009, 11:45:56 AM
Well done, morans. (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2009/09/the-cubs-have-to-get-it-right-or-left-this-winter.html) But you should really think twice about visiting that cesspool of stupid, lest you go batshit insane.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on October 06, 2009, 10:21:06 AM
Crazy Rumor Guy.

"Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune and Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times discuss the Cubs' offseason plans in new articles today.

    * Both writers agree that unloading right fielder Milton Bradley (owed $21MM) is at the top of GM Jim Hendry's to-do list.  Wittenmyer's sources suggest the Cubs might be able to move Bradley without eating 80% of his contract.  Sullivan believes the Cubs could kill two birds with one stone by trading Bradley for their desired "RBI guy," one who carries an equally poor contract.  Magglio Ordonez and Jose Guillen come to mind for me.  However, the Tigers would have no motivation to make the swap and the Royals are not interested (it's a poor match on money and handedness anyway).
    * Sullivan says lefty reliever John Grabow wants a three-year deal, and the Cubs "are likely to give it to him."  That'd be overpaying, based on last year's market for lefty relievers.
    * Sullivan believes Jake Fox and Mike Fontenot are trade candidates.  Fox might be a good fit with an American League club.
    * Will the Cubs opt for a cheap backup outfielder in Sam Fuld, or will they re-sign Reed Johnson?
    * Neither writer expects the Cubs to trade Carlos Zambrano."

I can't wait to see what kind of haul we get back for Fontenot.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on October 06, 2009, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 10:21:06 AM
Crazy Rumor Guy.

"Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune and Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times discuss the Cubs' offseason plans in new articles today.

    * Both writers agree that unloading right fielder Milton Bradley (owed $21MM) is at the top of GM Jim Hendry's to-do list.  Wittenmyer's sources suggest the Cubs might be able to move Bradley without eating 80% of his contract.  Sullivan believes the Cubs could kill two birds with one stone by trading Bradley for their desired "RBI guy," one who carries an equally poor contract.  Magglio Ordonez and Jose Guillen come to mind for me.  However, the Tigers would have no motivation to make the swap and the Royals are not interested (it's a poor match on money and handedness anyway).
    * Sullivan says lefty reliever John Grabow wants a three-year deal, and the Cubs "are likely to give it to him."  That'd be overpaying, based on last year's market for lefty relievers.
    * Sullivan believes Jake Fox and Mike Fontenot are trade candidates.  Fox might be a good fit with an American League club.
    * Will the Cubs opt for a cheap backup outfielder in Sam Fuld, or will they re-sign Reed Johnson?
    * Neither writer expects the Cubs to trade Carlos Zambrano."

I can't wait to see what kind of haul we get back for Fontenot.


The jockey casually mentioned that Grabow has bone chips in his elbow that the Cubs are likely to ignore when they hand him a 3-year deal. Yay?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 06, 2009, 10:25:08 AM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 10:21:06 AM
I can't wait to see what kind of haul we get back for Fontenot.

Fontenot back to the Orioles for Pie.

Maybe the O's throw in Roberts to sweeten the pot.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on October 06, 2009, 10:27:00 AM
Quote from: Mickey Nine: The Dream Weaver on October 06, 2009, 10:24:25 AM
The jockey casually mentioned that Grabow has bone chips in his elbow that the Cubs are likely to ignore when they hand him a 3-year deal. Yay?

You can't ignore the success Hendry has had in signing aging middle relievers to long contracts.  I trust him completely.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on October 06, 2009, 10:28:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 10:27:00 AM
Quote from: Mickey Nine: The Dream Weaver on October 06, 2009, 10:24:25 AM
The jockey casually mentioned that Grabow has bone chips in his elbow that the Cubs are likely to ignore when they hand him a 3-year deal. Yay?

You can't ignore the success Hendry has had in signing aging middle relievers to long contracts.  I trust him completely.

Larry's towels weren't happy with their lack of use last year.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on October 06, 2009, 10:41:30 AM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 10:28:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 10:27:00 AM
Quote from: Mickey Nine: The Dream Weaver on October 06, 2009, 10:24:25 AM
The jockey casually mentioned that Grabow has bone chips in his elbow that the Cubs are likely to ignore when they hand him a 3-year deal. Yay?

You can't ignore the success Hendry has had in signing aging middle relievers to long contracts.  I trust him completely.

Larry's towels weren't happy with their lack of use last year.

Why not?  The towel drill is done all the time by healthy pitchers, too.

Take that, attempted BH joke.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on October 06, 2009, 10:42:26 AM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 10:21:06 AM
* Sullivan says lefty reliever John Grabow wants a three-year deal, and the Cubs "are likely to give it to him."  That'd be overpaying, based on last year's market for lefty relievers.

No worries.  Hendry never overpays or over commits to the length of contract.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 10:21:06 AM
Crazy Rumor Guy.

"Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune and Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times discuss the Cubs' offseason plans in new articles today.

   * Both writers agree that unloading right fielder Milton Bradley (owed $21MM) is at the top of GM Jim Hendry's to-do list.  Wittenmyer's sources suggest the Cubs might be able to move Bradley without eating 80% of his contract.  Sullivan believes the Cubs could kill two birds with one stone by trading Bradley for their desired "RBI guy," one who carries an equally poor contract.  Magglio Ordonez and Jose Guillen come to mind for me.  However, the Tigers would have no motivation to make the swap and the Royals are not interested (it's a poor match on money and handedness anyway).
   * Sullivan says lefty reliever John Grabow wants a three-year deal, and the Cubs "are likely to give it to him."  That'd be overpaying, based on last year's market for lefty relievers.
   * Sullivan believes Jake Fox and Mike Fontenot are trade candidates.  Fox might be a good fit with an American League club.
   * Will the Cubs opt for a cheap backup outfielder in Sam Fuld, or will they re-sign Reed Johnson?
   * Neither writer expects the Cubs to trade Carlos Zambrano."

I can't wait to see what kind of haul we get back for Fontenot.


This is basically why I say "Fuck these fucking gutless fucking assholes."  I don't understand three years for Grabow and trading Jake Fox.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on October 06, 2009, 10:56:28 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
This is basically why I say "Fuck these fucking gutless fucking assholes."  I don't understand three years for Grabow and trading Jake Fox.

You don't understand why they'd trade Jake Fox?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on October 06, 2009, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 10:56:28 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
This is basically why I say "Fuck these fucking gutless fucking assholes."  I don't understand three years for Grabow and trading Jake Fox.

You don't understand why they'd trade Jake Fox?

He also doesn't understand why come them lights in the sky are movin' sometimes. Maw says it could be a flyin' machine but I just ain't never heard of none of that.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 10:56:28 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
This is basically why I say "Fuck these fucking gutless fucking assholes."  I don't understand three years for Grabow and trading Jake Fox.

You don't understand why they'd trade Jake Fox?

I'm assuming Hendry feels he needs a RF in return of any Milton Bradley trade.  Couldn't the Cubs take on a contract at another position and play Fox in RF?  Just spitballin'.  Or, maybe the Cubs should move to the American League.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on October 06, 2009, 11:14:47 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:09:55 AM
I'm assuming Hendry feels he needs a RF in return of any Milton Bradley trade.  Couldn't the Cubs take on a contract at another position and play Fox in RF?  Just spitballin'.
Possibly.  But Fox ion right would make Keith Moreland's time there look like he had a hall of fame glove.

Fox is cheap, not young and sucks at the non-hitting part of baseball.  He screams small market DH.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: SKO on October 06, 2009, 11:15:23 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 10:56:28 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
This is basically why I say "Fuck these fucking gutless fucking assholes."  I don't understand three years for Grabow and trading Jake Fox.

You don't understand why they'd trade Jake Fox?

I'm assuming Hendry feels he needs a RF in return of any Milton Bradley trade.  Couldn't the Cubs take on a contract at another position and play Fox in RF?  Just spitballin'.

This is why IAN roots for the Cardinals. They'd keep Fox and play him every day.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on October 06, 2009, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 10:56:28 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
This is basically why I say "Fuck these fucking gutless fucking assholes."  I don't understand three years for Grabow and trading Jake Fox.

You don't understand why they'd trade Jake Fox?

I'm assuming Hendry feels he needs a RF in return of any Milton Bradley trade.  Couldn't the Cubs take on a contract at another position and play Fox in RF?  Just spitballin'.

Granted I stopped watching this team for most of the season, but is Fox that horrible in the field for the organization to basically write him off as not good enough to play everyday ? Normally I'd like this move, trade a player after he plays well and his value is high, but I know Hendry is too dumb to do that, so I have to assume Hendry thinks he's useless to this team? Let's trade Fox for a crappy, slap hitting 2B. Get it done, Jim!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 11:22:58 AM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 10:56:28 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
This is basically why I say "Fuck these fucking gutless fucking assholes."  I don't understand three years for Grabow and trading Jake Fox.

You don't understand why they'd trade Jake Fox?

I'm assuming Hendry feels he needs a RF in return of any Milton Bradley trade.  Couldn't the Cubs take on a contract at another position and play Fox in RF?  Just spitballin'.

Granted I stopped watching this team for most of the season, but is Fox that horrible in the field for the organization to basically write him off as not good enough to play everyday ? Normally I'd like this move, trade a player after he plays well and his value is high, but I know Hendry is too dumb to do that, so I have to assume Hendry thinks he's useless to this team? Let's trade Fox for a crappy, slap hitting 2B. Get it done, Jim!

Over the last 2 months of the season, Fox batted .212/.280/.354

Considering he can't field at all, that's not a very attractive long-term solution.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on October 06, 2009, 11:23:10 AM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 11:15:38 AM
is Fox that horrible in the field for the organization to basically write him off as not good enough to play everyday ?

Kind of.  If he was a Manny Ramirez type of hitter, you could live with his terrible defense.  Unfortunately, he's not that good of a hitter.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on October 06, 2009, 11:33:40 AM
Fox is 26, put up a .259/.311/.468 line, and plays mediocre defense on a good day.

He rakes in the PCL, but so does Jason DuBois.  He's nothing any team actually
wants.  At best a few teams might take a flier on him because he's cheap.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 10:56:28 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
This is basically why I say "Fuck these fucking gutless fucking assholes."  I don't understand three years for Grabow and trading Jake Fox.

You don't understand why they'd trade Jake Fox?

I'm assuming Hendry feels he needs a RF in return of any Milton Bradley trade.  Couldn't the Cubs take on a contract at another position and play Fox in RF?  Just spitballin'.

Granted I stopped watching this team for most of the season, but is Fox that horrible in the field for the organization to basically write him off as not good enough to play everyday ? Normally I'd like this move, trade a player after he plays well and his value is high, but I know Hendry is too dumb to do that, so I have to assume Hendry thinks he's useless to this team? Let's trade Fox for a crappy, slap hitting 2B. Get it done, Jim!

That's sort of what I'm saying, too.  I know he's a liability in the field, but he can hit okay.  Hendry will trade him to Kansas City for what?  Tug Hulett?  Alberto Callaspo?  Or, to the Twins for Nick Punto?  Why?  Is it really necessary?

EDIT:  I looked up Alberto Callaspo, and there's no way the Royals would trade him to the Cubs for Jake Fox.  He was actually pretty good in 2009 for them.  I took for granted that he might be in the "shitty second baseman" category we've all come to know and love.  And, I just wanted to post Tug Hulett's name.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on October 06, 2009, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
That's sort of what I'm saying, too.  I know he's a liability in the field, but he can hit okay.  Hendry will trade him to Kansas City for what?  Tug Hulett?  Alberto Callaspo?  Or, to the Twins for Nick Punto?  Why?  Is it really necessary?

It's not necessary to trade him for the sake of trading him, but if the Cubs can get a more useful player, then they should.  Of course, I don't know if there's a market for Fox after he spent the last four months of the year whiffing at every breaking ball thrown his way.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on October 06, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
That's sort of what I'm saying, too.  I know he's a liability in the field, but he can hit okay.  Hendry will trade him to Kansas City for what?  Tug Hulett?  Alberto Callaspo?  Or, to the Twins for Nick Punto?  Why?  Is it really necessary?

It's not necessary to trade him for the sake of trading him, but if the Cubs can get a more useful player, then they should.  Of course, I don't know if there's a market for Fox after he spent the last four months of the year whiffing at every breaking ball thrown his way.

Mike Fontenot spent his entire career doing that, and there was a market for him as a starting 2nd baseman.  Granted it was a one team market, but really, that's all you need.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 12:29:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 06, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
That's sort of what I'm saying, too.  I know he's a liability in the field, but he can hit okay.  Hendry will trade him to Kansas City for what?  Tug Hulett?  Alberto Callaspo?  Or, to the Twins for Nick Punto?  Why?  Is it really necessary?

It's not necessary to trade him for the sake of trading him, but if the Cubs can get a more useful player, then they should.  Of course, I don't know if there's a market for Fox after he spent the last four months of the year whiffing at every breaking ball thrown his way.

Mike Fontenot spent his entire career doing that, and there was a market for him as a starting 2nd baseman.  Granted it was a one team market, but really, that's all you need.

The "Jake Fox in RF movement" is almost as awesome as the "Andres Blanco should be the starting SS" movement.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on October 06, 2009, 12:32:09 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 12:29:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 06, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
That's sort of what I'm saying, too.  I know he's a liability in the field, but he can hit okay.  Hendry will trade him to Kansas City for what?  Tug Hulett?  Alberto Callaspo?  Or, to the Twins for Nick Punto?  Why?  Is it really necessary?

It's not necessary to trade him for the sake of trading him, but if the Cubs can get a more useful player, then they should.  Of course, I don't know if there's a market for Fox after he spent the last four months of the year whiffing at every breaking ball thrown his way.

Mike Fontenot spent his entire career doing that, and there was a market for him as a starting 2nd baseman.  Granted it was a one team market, but really, that's all you need.

The "Jake Fox in RF movement" is almost as awesome as the "Andres Blanco should be the starting SS" movement.

I like the "Go Detroit, Save America" movement myself.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on October 06, 2009, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 12:32:09 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 12:29:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 06, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
That's sort of what I'm saying, too.  I know he's a liability in the field, but he can hit okay.  Hendry will trade him to Kansas City for what?  Tug Hulett?  Alberto Callaspo?  Or, to the Twins for Nick Punto?  Why?  Is it really necessary?

It's not necessary to trade him for the sake of trading him, but if the Cubs can get a more useful player, then they should.  Of course, I don't know if there's a market for Fox after he spent the last four months of the year whiffing at every breaking ball thrown his way.

Mike Fontenot spent his entire career doing that, and there was a market for him as a starting 2nd baseman.  Granted it was a one team market, but really, that's all you need.

The "Jake Fox in RF movement" is almost as awesome as the "Andres Blanco should be the starting SS" movement.

I like the "Go Detroit, Save America" movement myself.

So much for that though. With Brett Favre's holy blood, sweat and tears squirted all over the Humphrey Dome, those Twins are an absolute friggin' lock today. Don't underestimate all that man has done for that city. Tigers? Meh. Detroit? Pfththh.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 12:43:34 PM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 12:32:09 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 12:29:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 06, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
That's sort of what I'm saying, too.  I know he's a liability in the field, but he can hit okay.  Hendry will trade him to Kansas City for what?  Tug Hulett?  Alberto Callaspo?  Or, to the Twins for Nick Punto?  Why?  Is it really necessary?

It's not necessary to trade him for the sake of trading him, but if the Cubs can get a more useful player, then they should.  Of course, I don't know if there's a market for Fox after he spent the last four months of the year whiffing at every breaking ball thrown his way.

Mike Fontenot spent his entire career doing that, and there was a market for him as a starting 2nd baseman.  Granted it was a one team market, but really, that's all you need.

The "Jake Fox in RF movement" is almost as awesome as the "Andres Blanco should be the starting SS" movement.

I like the "Go Detroit, Save America" movement myself.

We (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg193772#msg193772) get (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg192967#msg192967) it (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg192921#msg192921), you have one joke.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on October 06, 2009, 12:49:19 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 12:43:34 PM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 12:32:09 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 12:29:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 06, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
That's sort of what I'm saying, too.  I know he's a liability in the field, but he can hit okay.  Hendry will trade him to Kansas City for what?  Tug Hulett?  Alberto Callaspo?  Or, to the Twins for Nick Punto?  Why?  Is it really necessary?

It's not necessary to trade him for the sake of trading him, but if the Cubs can get a more useful player, then they should.  Of course, I don't know if there's a market for Fox after he spent the last four months of the year whiffing at every breaking ball thrown his way.

Mike Fontenot spent his entire career doing that, and there was a market for him as a starting 2nd baseman.  Granted it was a one team market, but really, that's all you need.

The "Jake Fox in RF movement" is almost as awesome as the "Andres Blanco should be the starting SS" movement.

I like the "Go Detroit, Save America" movement myself.

We (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg193772#msg193772) get (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg192967#msg192967) it (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg192921#msg192921), you have one joke.

That seems like too much work to put all of those descriptive links there.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on October 06, 2009, 12:51:36 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 12:43:34 PM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 12:32:09 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 12:29:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 06, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
That's sort of what I'm saying, too.  I know he's a liability in the field, but he can hit okay.  Hendry will trade him to Kansas City for what?  Tug Hulett?  Alberto Callaspo?  Or, to the Twins for Nick Punto?  Why?  Is it really necessary?

It's not necessary to trade him for the sake of trading him, but if the Cubs can get a more useful player, then they should.  Of course, I don't know if there's a market for Fox after he spent the last four months of the year whiffing at every breaking ball thrown his way.

Mike Fontenot spent his entire career doing that, and there was a market for him as a starting 2nd baseman.  Granted it was a one team market, but really, that's all you need.

The "Jake Fox in RF movement" is almost as awesome as the "Andres Blanco should be the starting SS" movement.

I like the "Go Detroit, Save America" movement myself.

We (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg193772#msg193772) get (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg192967#msg192967) it (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg192921#msg192921), you have one joke.

Go Tigerz!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:13:13 PM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:09:55 AM
I'm assuming Hendry feels he needs a RF in return of any Milton Bradley trade.  Couldn't the Cubs take on a contract at another position and play Fox in RF?  Just spitballin'.  Or, maybe the Cubs should move to the American League.

If the acquiring club will take enough of his contract, I imagine Hendry would accept a dumptruck full of horseshit for Bradley. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on October 06, 2009, 01:24:39 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 12:43:34 PM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 12:32:09 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 12:29:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 06, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
That's sort of what I'm saying, too.  I know he's a liability in the field, but he can hit okay.  Hendry will trade him to Kansas City for what?  Tug Hulett?  Alberto Callaspo?  Or, to the Twins for Nick Punto?  Why?  Is it really necessary?

It's not necessary to trade him for the sake of trading him, but if the Cubs can get a more useful player, then they should.  Of course, I don't know if there's a market for Fox after he spent the last four months of the year whiffing at every breaking ball thrown his way.

Mike Fontenot spent his entire career doing that, and there was a market for him as a starting 2nd baseman.  Granted it was a one team market, but really, that's all you need.

The "Jake Fox in RF movement" is almost as awesome as the "Andres Blanco should be the starting SS" movement.

I like the "Go Detroit, Save America" movement myself.

We (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg193772#msg193772) get (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg192967#msg192967) it (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg192921#msg192921), you have one joke.

Hey, it's one more than I've got.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 01:43:39 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 12:29:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 06, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
That's sort of what I'm saying, too.  I know he's a liability in the field, but he can hit okay.  Hendry will trade him to Kansas City for what?  Tug Hulett?  Alberto Callaspo?  Or, to the Twins for Nick Punto?  Why?  Is it really necessary?

It's not necessary to trade him for the sake of trading him, but if the Cubs can get a more useful player, then they should.  Of course, I don't know if there's a market for Fox after he spent the last four months of the year whiffing at every breaking ball thrown his way.

Mike Fontenot spent his entire career doing that, and there was a market for him as a starting 2nd baseman.  Granted it was a one team market, but really, that's all you need.

The "Jake Fox in RF movement" is almost as awesome as the "Andres Blanco should be the starting SS" movement.

You're still clinging to that extra .068 points of OPS that Theriot gives you over Blanco with FAR worse defense, huh?  I'd obviously rather have someone better than Blanco, but I'd much rather have Blanco than Theriot.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 01:47:57 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 01:43:39 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 12:29:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 06, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
That's sort of what I'm saying, too.  I know he's a liability in the field, but he can hit okay.  Hendry will trade him to Kansas City for what?  Tug Hulett?  Alberto Callaspo?  Or, to the Twins for Nick Punto?  Why?  Is it really necessary?

It's not necessary to trade him for the sake of trading him, but if the Cubs can get a more useful player, then they should.  Of course, I don't know if there's a market for Fox after he spent the last four months of the year whiffing at every breaking ball thrown his way.

Mike Fontenot spent his entire career doing that, and there was a market for him as a starting 2nd baseman.  Granted it was a one team market, but really, that's all you need.

The "Jake Fox in RF movement" is almost as awesome as the "Andres Blanco should be the starting SS" movement.

You're still clinging to that extra .068 points of OPS that Theriot gives you over Blanco with FAR worse defense, huh?  I'd obviously rather have someone better than Blanco, but I'd much rather have Blanco than Theriot.

I wasn't clinging to anything, just that I'd prefer neither Blanco nor Jake Fox starting for a team I root for.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on October 06, 2009, 01:49:43 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 01:43:39 PM
You're still clinging to that extra .068 points of OPS that Theriot gives you over Blanco with FAR worse defense, huh?  I'd obviously rather have someone better than Blanco, but I'd much rather have Blanco than Theriot.

Even as the self-declared leader of the "Dave B, you're crazy, Ryan Theriot sucks" bandwagon, I can't support this.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: *In a Nutsack on October 06, 2009, 02:45:22 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 01:49:43 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 01:43:39 PM
You're still clinging to that extra .068 points of OPS that Theriot gives you over Blanco with FAR worse defense, huh?  I'd obviously rather have someone better than Blanco, but I'd much rather have Blanco than Theriot.

Even as the self-declared leader of the "Dave B, you're crazy, Ryan Theriot sucks" bandwagon, I can't support this.

Ryan Theriot sucks as a starting shortstop, but would make an above average second baseman.  Is it really his fault that the Cubs are so hell bent on keeping him at short stop?

It is his fault that he continues to try to steal bases even though he's got to be the worse person I've ever seen try to steal a base, and I've seen video of me trying to do it.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on October 06, 2009, 02:45:42 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 01:43:39 PM
You're still clinging to that extra .068 points of OPS that Theriot gives you over Blanco with FAR worse defense, huh?

The thing is, Theriot is a significantly better hitter than Blanco.  I don't know why we keep
talking OPS around here lately.  Theriot has a career .356 OBP.  Blanco has a career mark of
.295.  We're not talking about a few points of OBP from a few doubles turning into HRs or
something.  And it's not like Blanco got on base in the minors at some point either.

I also don't think Blanco plays far better defense than Theriot.  I mean, he makes the flashy
plays, but he makes more errors.  Most every defensive stat actually grades Theriot as one
of the better SS's in the NL (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=fld&lg=nl&qual=y&type=0&season=2009&month=0).  Mostly because he doesn't have a lot of errors.  I'm not saying
that Theriot is an awesome SS that couldn't be shifted to 2B, but I don't think that Blanco is
really that big of a defensive upgrade.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on October 06, 2009, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 06, 2009, 02:45:42 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 01:43:39 PM
You're still clinging to that extra .068 points of OPS that Theriot gives you over Blanco with FAR worse defense, huh?

The thing is, Theriot is a significantly better hitter than Blanco.  I don't know why we keep
talking OPS around here lately.  Theriot has a career .356 OBP.  Blanco has a career mark of
.295.  We're not talking about a few points of OBP from a few doubles turning into HRs or
something.  And it's not like Blanco got on base in the minors at some point either.

I also don't think Blanco plays far better defense than Theriot.  I mean, he makes the flashy
plays, but he makes more errors.  Most every defensive stat actually grades Theriot as one
of the better SS's in the NL (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=fld&lg=nl&qual=y&type=0&season=2009&month=0).  Mostly because he doesn't have a lot of errors.  I'm not saying
that Theriot is an awesome SS that couldn't be shifted to 2B, but I don't think that Blanco is
really that big of a defensive upgrade.


Dave B is doing some major fist pumping right now.

He's pumped up.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on October 06, 2009, 04:36:32 PM
Here come the Rickettseseses. (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091006&content_id=7368086&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 05:00:45 PM
You guys forgot to calculate in the fact that I fucking hate Theriot.  I think I'd rather see David Eckstein playing short.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 06, 2009, 05:09:44 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 05:00:45 PM
You guys forgot to calculate in the fact that I fucking hate Theriot.  I think I'd rather see David Eckstein playing short.

Now that's some irrational hatred.

How very Kermit.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 05:22:34 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 06, 2009, 05:09:44 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 05:00:45 PM
You guys forgot to calculate in the fact that I fucking hate Theriot.  I think I'd rather see David Eckstein playing short.

Now that's some irrational hatred.

How very Kermit.

I seriously can't help it.  It's to the point that I have to change the station when his voice comes on the radio.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on October 07, 2009, 04:41:48 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy thinks the Brewers are going to use Ricky Weeks as their 2B next year.

Welcome to the next year's KUBBEEZ Felipe Lopez! One of Jimbo's favorites, hopefully we give him a 4 year no trade deal.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on October 08, 2009, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

Shut up Paul, you're a douche.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on October 08, 2009, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

And he's dreamy.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 08, 2009, 10:06:58 PM
Quote from: JD on October 08, 2009, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

And he's dreamy.

Hi again.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on October 08, 2009, 10:08:54 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 08, 2009, 10:06:58 PM
Quote from: JD on October 08, 2009, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

And he's dreamy.

Hi again.

Stop rubbing my left knee.  It's not going to work. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on October 09, 2009, 08:18:10 AM
Quote from: JD on October 08, 2009, 10:08:54 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 08, 2009, 10:06:58 PM
Quote from: JD on October 08, 2009, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

And he's dreamy.

Hi again.

Stop rubbing my left knee.  It's not going to work. 

Lefty no likey?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 08:35:37 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

05-08 Burrell, sure.  Dead 09 Burrell, no thanks:  .221 .315 .367 .682 77 in 122 games.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on October 09, 2009, 08:38:28 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 08:35:37 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

05-08 Burrell, sure.  Dead 09 Burrell, no thanks:  .221 .315 .367 .682 77 in 122 games.

77 what?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on October 09, 2009, 08:40:37 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 09, 2009, 08:38:28 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 08:35:37 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

05-08 Burrell, sure.  Dead 09 Burrell, no thanks:  .221 .315 .367 .682 77 in 122 games.

77 what?

77 sweaty grunts per daily workout.

(http://blogs.phillynews.com/inquirer/zozone/pat%20burrell%20shirtless%202.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on October 09, 2009, 08:41:22 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 09, 2009, 08:38:28 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 08:35:37 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

05-08 Burrell, sure.  Dead 09 Burrell, no thanks:  .221 .315 .367 .682 77 in 122 games.

77 what?

Probably OPS+
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on October 09, 2009, 08:42:03 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 09, 2009, 08:41:22 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 09, 2009, 08:38:28 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 08:35:37 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

05-08 Burrell, sure.  Dead 09 Burrell, no thanks:  .221 .315 .367 .682 77 in 122 games.

77 what?

Probably OPS+

Gotcha.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on October 09, 2009, 11:32:47 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 08:35:37 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

05-08 Burrell, sure.  Dead 09 Burrell, no thanks:  .221 .315 .367 .682 77 in 122 games.

Considering the 05-08 Burrell played healthy in the NL and 09 Burrell played oft-injured in the AL, this isn't that bad a return, all things considered.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 11:55:30 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 09, 2009, 11:32:47 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 08:35:37 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

05-08 Burrell, sure.  Dead 09 Burrell, no thanks:  .221 .315 .367 .682 77 in 122 games.

Considering the 05-08 Burrell played healthy in the NL and 09 Burrell played oft-injured in the AL, this isn't that bad a return, all things considered.

I keep thinking about this and my initial reaction is to disagree with everything you say,  but I keep coming to the conclusion that getting rid of Bradley is priority one and the return is icing on the cake.  Plus, Pat Burrell is white.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on October 09, 2009, 12:07:10 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 11:55:30 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 09, 2009, 11:32:47 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 08:35:37 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

05-08 Burrell, sure.  Dead 09 Burrell, no thanks:  .221 .315 .367 .682 77 in 122 games.

Considering the 05-08 Burrell played healthy in the NL and 09 Burrell played oft-injured in the AL, this isn't that bad a return, all things considered.

I keep thinking about this and my initial reaction is to disagree with everything you say,  but I keep coming to the conclusion that getting rid of Bradley is priority one and the return is icing on the cake.  Plus, Pat Burrell is white.

So, Burrell in left center and Soriano in left. Our Cubbiez still need a center or right fielder.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on October 09, 2009, 12:10:46 PM

Yeah, but racist Cub fans at least had a catchy nickname for the Soriano/Fukudome/Bradley outfield.

What can you do with "Pat the Bat"?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on October 09, 2009, 12:11:02 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 09, 2009, 12:07:10 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 11:55:30 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 09, 2009, 11:32:47 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 08:35:37 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

05-08 Burrell, sure.  Dead 09 Burrell, no thanks:  .221 .315 .367 .682 77 in 122 games.

Considering the 05-08 Burrell played healthy in the NL and 09 Burrell played oft-injured in the AL, this isn't that bad a return, all things considered.

I keep thinking about this and my initial reaction is to disagree with everything you say,  but I keep coming to the conclusion that getting rid of Bradley is priority one and the return is icing on the cake.  Plus, Pat Burrell is white.

So, Burrell in left center and Soriano in left. Our Cubbiez still need a center or right fielder.

I assume Burrell will figure out how to play RF, given enough time to do so.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on October 09, 2009, 12:26:11 PM
this guy thinks the Cubs should thropw in Angel Guzman if the Rays demand him, AND put Burrell in LF and move Fonzie to CF.

http://www.cubslocker.com/2009/10/08/the-chicago-cubs-are-ready-to-deal-milton-bradley/

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on October 09, 2009, 12:35:38 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 09, 2009, 12:26:11 PM
this guy thinks the Cubs should thropw in Angel Guzman if the Rays demand him, AND put Burrell in LF and move Fonzie to CF.

http://www.cubslocker.com/2009/10/08/the-chicago-cubs-are-ready-to-deal-milton-bradley/



I didn't know you wrote under the name of chinmusic.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 09, 2009, 12:26:11 PM
this guy thinks the Cubs should thropw in Angel Guzman if the Rays demand him, AND put Burrell in LF and move Fonzie to CF.

http://www.cubslocker.com/2009/10/08/the-chicago-cubs-are-ready-to-deal-milton-bradley/

Someone set this person on fire.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on October 09, 2009, 01:06:51 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

You beat me to the "God damn you're so wrong, IAN" punch.  Last year aside, Burrell has been pretty much automatic for an OPS right around .900 for the past several years.  Considering the fact that every other GM in baseball knows Jim HAS to trade Bradley, I'd love to get Burrell in return.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 02:12:55 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 09, 2009, 01:06:51 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

You beat me to the "God damn you're so wrong, IAN" punch.  Last year aside, Burrell has been pretty much automatic for an OPS right around .900 for the past several years.  Considering the fact that every other GM in baseball knows Jim HAS to trade Bradley, I'd love to get Burrell in return.

You also missed the part where I recanted.  But, there's no guarantee that he'll return to an OBP near .363 or OPS near .900 at the age of 33.  If the Cubs have to get rid of Bradley and all they can get back is Burrell, then I won't argue at all.  I'm just saying, last year Burrell is awful.  The upside:  he's only under contract through 2010 at $9MM.  The downside:  Jim's already drafting an eight-year contract.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on October 09, 2009, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 02:12:55 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 09, 2009, 01:06:51 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

You beat me to the "God damn you're so wrong, IAN" punch.  Last year aside, Burrell has been pretty much automatic for an OPS right around .900 for the past several years.  Considering the fact that every other GM in baseball knows Jim HAS to trade Bradley, I'd love to get Burrell in return.

You also missed the part where I recanted.  But, there's no guarantee that he'll return to an OBP near .363 or OPS near .900 at the age of 33.  If the Cubs have to get rid of Bradley and all they can get back is Burrell, then I won't argue at all.  I'm just saying, last year Burrell is awful.  The upside:  he's only under contract through 2010 at $9MM.  The downside:  Jim's already drafting an eight-year contract.

Wait, there's NO GUARANTEE that a guy will put up certain numbers?  Well, why the hell are we even watching?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on October 09, 2009, 02:26:04 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 02:12:55 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 09, 2009, 01:06:51 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

You beat me to the "God damn you're so wrong, IAN" punch.  Last year aside, Burrell has been pretty much automatic for an OPS right around .900 for the past several years.  Considering the fact that every other GM in baseball knows Jim HAS to trade Bradley, I'd love to get Burrell in return.

You also missed the part where I recanted.  But, there's no guarantee that he'll return to an OBP near .363 or OPS near .900 at the age of 33.  If the Cubs have to get rid of Bradley and all they can get back is Burrell, then I won't argue at all.  I'm just saying, last year Burrell is awful.  The upside:  he's only under contract through 2010 at $9MM.  The downside:  Jim's already drafting an eight-year contract.

THIS
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 09, 2009, 02:26:37 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 09, 2009, 12:26:11 PM
this guy thinks the Cubs should thropw in Angel Guzman if the Rays demand him, AND put Burrell in LF and move Fonzie to CF.

http://www.cubslocker.com/2009/10/08/the-chicago-cubs-are-ready-to-deal-milton-bradley/



That would fun to watch.

And by "fun to watch" I mean "as fun as whacking yourself in the nuts with a claw hammer."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on October 09, 2009, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 09, 2009, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 02:12:55 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 09, 2009, 01:06:51 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

You beat me to the "God damn you're so wrong, IAN" punch.  Last year aside, Burrell has been pretty much automatic for an OPS right around .900 for the past several years.  Considering the fact that every other GM in baseball knows Jim HAS to trade Bradley, I'd love to get Burrell in return.

You also missed the part where I recanted.  But, there's no guarantee that he'll return to an OBP near .363 or OPS near .900 at the age of 33.  If the Cubs have to get rid of Bradley and all they can get back is Burrell, then I won't argue at all.  I'm just saying, last year Burrell is awful.  The upside:  he's only under contract through 2010 at $9MM.  The downside:  Jim's already drafting an eight-year contract.

Wait, there's NO GUARANTEE that a guy will put up certain numbers?  Well, why the hell are we even watching?

Once my statfag dream of a sport played by computers on graph paper, we won't have to.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 09, 2009, 02:43:40 PM
Quote from: Jon on October 09, 2009, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 09, 2009, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 09, 2009, 02:12:55 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 09, 2009, 01:06:51 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 08, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: BH on October 08, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
"Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times believes the Cubs are pushing the Rays to make a deal for Milton Bradley quickly.
Chicago would certainly like to avoid the Bradley saga dragging out all offseason, impacting their free agency plans and are likely to be aggressive as a result. The Rays were one of Bradley's top suitors last winter and would theoretically still be interested. Tampa opted for Pat Burrell instead at a cheaper price (two years, $16 million as opposed to 3/$30), who had a rough year. A Bradley/Burrell deal makes a lot of sense, but the Cubbies would have to toss in money to make it happen.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: Pat Burrell"

32 years old and a million different kinds of awful last year.  This will end well.

He's a free swinger. Donuts likes guys like this.

Pat Burrell?  One of the most disciplined hitters in the league back before he passed away? The guy who walked 103 times a year from 05-08?  Or do you mean he's free swinging in that he strikes out a lot?  I hate those guys, especially when they get on base at a .363 clip over their careers.

You beat me to the "God damn you're so wrong, IAN" punch.  Last year aside, Burrell has been pretty much automatic for an OPS right around .900 for the past several years.  Considering the fact that every other GM in baseball knows Jim HAS to trade Bradley, I'd love to get Burrell in return.

You also missed the part where I recanted.  But, there's no guarantee that he'll return to an OBP near .363 or OPS near .900 at the age of 33.  If the Cubs have to get rid of Bradley and all they can get back is Burrell, then I won't argue at all.  I'm just saying, last year Burrell is awful.  The upside:  he's only under contract through 2010 at $9MM.  The downside:  Jim's already drafting an eight-year contract.

Wait, there's NO GUARANTEE that a guy will put up certain numbers?  Well, why the hell are we even watching?

Once my statfag dream of a sport played by computers on graph paper, we won't have to.

A STRANGE GAME.
THE ONLY WINNING MOVE IS
NOT TO PLAY.

HOW ABOUT A NICE GAME OF CHESS?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on October 15, 2009, 08:09:40 PM
Rudy Jaramillo will solve all the problems!  Even Bradley! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-14-rogers-inside-baseball-oct14,0,346410.column)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on October 15, 2009, 09:56:40 PM
Quote from: BearsBearsBearsB... on October 15, 2009, 08:09:40 PM
Rudy Jaramillo will solve all the problems!  Even Bradley! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-14-rogers-inside-baseball-oct14,0,346410.column)

Phil Rogers deserves to be hit in the nuts with Rudy Jaramillo's fungo.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on October 15, 2009, 09:57:21 PM
Quote from: BearsBearsBearsB... on October 15, 2009, 08:09:40 PM
Rudy Jaramillo will solve all the problems!  Even Bradley! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-14-rogers-inside-baseball-oct14,0,346410.column)

No.

I was convinced in the SBox that if you're going to get a hitting coach then get the best one. I'm fine with that, but if this happens it MIGHT be in the top 10 of significant moves this offseason.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on October 15, 2009, 10:10:18 PM
Did anyone notice another thing that a lot of Jaramillo's students had in common?

Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Jeff Bagwell, and Alex Rodriguez?

Maybe Hendry should just sign Jaramillo's pharmacist.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on October 15, 2009, 10:14:27 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 15, 2009, 10:10:18 PM
Did anyone notice another thing that a lot of Jaramillo's students had in common?

Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Jeff Bagwell, and Alex Rodriguez?

Maybe Hendry should just sign Jaramillo's pharmacist.

Wasn't Mark DeRosa there, too?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on October 15, 2009, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 15, 2009, 10:10:18 PM
Did anyone notice another thing that a lot of Jaramillo's students had in common?

Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Jeff Bagwell, and Alex Rodriguez?

Maybe Hendry should just sign Jaramillo's pharmacist.

I was going to say they all speak Spanish but I'm just not 100% sure about A-Rod.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on October 15, 2009, 10:43:51 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 15, 2009, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 15, 2009, 10:10:18 PM
Did anyone notice another thing that a lot of Jaramillo's students had in common?

Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Jeff Bagwell, and Alex Rodriguez?

Maybe Hendry should just sign Jaramillo's pharmacist.

I was going to say they all speak Spanish but I'm just not 100% sure about A-Rod.

I was going to guess "right-handed power hitters."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on October 15, 2009, 10:46:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 15, 2009, 10:43:51 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 15, 2009, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 15, 2009, 10:10:18 PM
Did anyone notice another thing that a lot of Jaramillo's students had in common?

Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Jeff Bagwell, and Alex Rodriguez?

Maybe Hendry should just sign Jaramillo's pharmacist.

I was going to say they all speak Spanish but I'm just not 100% sure about A-Rod.

I was going to guess "right-handed power hitters."

Damn, that's so much more likely than mine. Good game.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on October 15, 2009, 11:05:44 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 15, 2009, 10:46:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 15, 2009, 10:43:51 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 15, 2009, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 15, 2009, 10:10:18 PM
Did anyone notice another thing that a lot of Jaramillo's students had in common?

Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Jeff Bagwell, and Alex Rodriguez?

Maybe Hendry should just sign Jaramillo's pharmacist.

I was going to say they all speak Spanish but I'm just not 100% sure about A-Rod.

I was going to guess "right-handed power hitters."

Damn, that's so much more likely than mine. Good game.

THEY ALL PLAYED BASEBALL.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on October 16, 2009, 07:45:12 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2009, 11:05:44 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 15, 2009, 10:46:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 15, 2009, 10:43:51 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 15, 2009, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 15, 2009, 10:10:18 PM
Did anyone notice another thing that a lot of Jaramillo's students had in common?

Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Jeff Bagwell, and Alex Rodriguez?

Maybe Hendry should just sign Jaramillo's pharmacist.

I was going to say they all speak Spanish but I'm just not 100% sure about A-Rod.

I was going to guess "right-handed power hitters."

Damn, that's so much more likely than mine. Good game.

THEY ALL PLAYED BASEBALL.

They all banged Ryne Sandberg's ex wife.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: thehawk on October 16, 2009, 07:49:02 AM
Quote from: CT III on October 15, 2009, 10:10:18 PM
Did anyone notice another thing that a lot of Jaramillo's students had in common?

Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Jeff Bagwell, and Alex Rodriguez?



None of them has been in my kitchen?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on October 16, 2009, 08:22:10 AM
Quote from: thehawk on October 16, 2009, 07:49:02 AM
Quote from: CT III on October 15, 2009, 10:10:18 PM
Did anyone notice another thing that a lot of Jaramillo's students had in common?

Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Jeff Bagwell, and Alex Rodriguez?



None of them has been in my kitchen?

Finally!

Today, the rest of you are all Rush Forklift.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on October 16, 2009, 08:24:05 AM
Quote from: CT III on October 16, 2009, 08:22:10 AM
Quote from: thehawk on October 16, 2009, 07:49:02 AM
Quote from: CT III on October 15, 2009, 10:10:18 PM
Did anyone notice another thing that a lot of Jaramillo's students had in common?

Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Jeff Bagwell, and Alex Rodriguez?



None of them has been in my kitchen?

Finally!

Today, the rest of you are all Rush Forklift.

Aaaaaahhh...outsourcing.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 16, 2009, 09:19:20 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 16, 2009, 07:45:12 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2009, 11:05:44 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 15, 2009, 10:46:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 15, 2009, 10:43:51 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 15, 2009, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 15, 2009, 10:10:18 PM
Did anyone notice another thing that a lot of Jaramillo's students had in common?

Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Jeff Bagwell, and Alex Rodriguez?

Maybe Hendry should just sign Jaramillo's pharmacist.

I was going to say they all speak Spanish but I'm just not 100% sure about A-Rod.

I was going to guess "right-handed power hitters."

Damn, that's so much more likely than mine. Good game.

THEY ALL PLAYED BASEBALL.

They all banged Ryne Sandberg's ex wife.

Who hasn't?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on October 16, 2009, 12:43:03 PM
Quote from: BearsBearsBearsB... on October 15, 2009, 08:09:40 PM
Rudy Jaramillo will solve all the problems!  Even Bradley! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-14-rogers-inside-baseball-oct14,0,346410.column)

Also Brucie has a nice writeup (http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/2738)

QuoteRuns: 7th in the American league at 784
OBP: .320 (12th)
Walks: 472 (12th)
Strikeouts by batters: 1,253, most in the AL
Slugging: .445 (3rd)
OPS: .764 (7th)
Home runs: 224 (second to the Yankees)

Just sayin'
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on October 16, 2009, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 16, 2009, 12:43:03 PM
Quote from: BearsBearsBearsB... on October 15, 2009, 08:09:40 PM
Rudy Jaramillo will solve all the problems!  Even Bradley! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-14-rogers-inside-baseball-oct14,0,346410.column)

Also Brucie has a nice writeup (http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/2738)

QuoteRuns: 7th in the American league at 784
OBP: .320 (12th)
Walks: 472 (12th)
Strikeouts by batters: 1,253, most in the AL
Slugging: .445 (3rd)
OPS: .764 (7th)
Home runs: 224 (second to the Yankees)

Just sayin'

Since RV reminded me to keep sample sizes in mind (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2009/10/is-rudy-jaramillo-the-cubs-savior.html#comment-114621)

Top 5 rankings in BA, OBP, SLG, OPS
1995-2002: 22 (6 BA, 4 OBP, 6 SLG, 6 OPS)
2003-2009: 11 (1 BA, 1 OBP, 5 SLG, 4 OPS)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on October 16, 2009, 12:52:01 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 16, 2009, 12:43:03 PM
Quote from: BearsBearsBearsB... on October 15, 2009, 08:09:40 PM
Rudy Jaramillo will solve all the problems!  Even Bradley! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-14-rogers-inside-baseball-oct14,0,346410.column)

Also Brucie has a nice writeup (http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/2738)

QuoteRuns: 7th in the American league at 784
OBP: .320 (12th)
Walks: 472 (12th)
Strikeouts by batters: 1,253, most in the AL
Slugging: .445 (3rd)
OPS: .764 (7th)
Home runs: 224 (second to the Yankees)

Just sayin'

Does this plan include the Cubs moving to The Ballpark In Arlington?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on October 16, 2009, 06:41:56 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 16, 2009, 04:26:48 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 31, 2009, 12:46:54 PM
Since this thread evolved into "The Cubs should get a really good pitcher" I'm going to put this here.

Latest indications are that Brandon Webb most definitely needs surgery and will miss the majority, if not all, of the 2010 season.
The D-Backs have an $8 million option on him for 2010 that is now in jeopardy of being picked up as they are very budget conscious.

So, what I'm saying is...the Cubs should get Brandon Webb.

He'll be expensive, and he'll have to sit out a year, but his arm problems fit well with Hendry's MO.

That is all.

Just wanted to self-bump and move this from the Peavy thread.
Heard an interview with Webb this AM where he said either the D-Backs pick up the option for next year or he's going to be a free agent, meaning he is not going to negotiate with them.

Also, it sounds like he won't miss all of 2010, but should be ready June-ish.

And then there's this (http://twitter.com/BNightengale/statuses/3988393446) from USA Today's baseball writer.

Translation?

It's gonna hai.

It's not haiening. (http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091016&content_id=7472706&vkey=news_ari&fext=.jsp&c_id=ari)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on October 16, 2009, 08:28:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 16, 2009, 06:41:56 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 16, 2009, 04:26:48 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 31, 2009, 12:46:54 PM
Since this thread evolved into "The Cubs should get a really good pitcher" I'm going to put this here.

Latest indications are that Brandon Webb most definitely needs surgery and will miss the majority, if not all, of the 2010 season.
The D-Backs have an $8 million option on him for 2010 that is now in jeopardy of being picked up as they are very budget conscious.

So, what I'm saying is...the Cubs should get Brandon Webb.

He'll be expensive, and he'll have to sit out a year, but his arm problems fit well with Hendry's MO.

That is all.

Just wanted to self-bump and move this from the Peavy thread.
Heard an interview with Webb this AM where he said either the D-Backs pick up the option for next year or he's going to be a free agent, meaning he is not going to negotiate with them.

Also, it sounds like he won't miss all of 2010, but should be ready June-ish.

And then there's this (http://twitter.com/BNightengale/statuses/3988393446) from USA Today's baseball writer.

Translation?

It's gonna hai.

It's not haiening. (http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091016&content_id=7472706&vkey=news_ari&fext=.jsp&c_id=ari)

Rudy, though, is looking like it's gonna hai. (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/10/cubs-to-interview-jaramillo.html)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:39:27 PM
Chuck's gonna love this.

"SI.com's Jon Heyman reports that the Cubs are close to hiring Rudy Jaramillo as their new hitting coach.
Jaramillo opted against taking a one-year deal to remain with the Rangers, which looks smart with Heyman noting that he's expected to "receive a multiyear deal for about $800,000 per year." That would make him the highest-paid coach in baseball.
Source: SI.com "
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 04:50:41 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:39:27 PM
Chuck's gonna love this.

"SI.com's Jon Heyman reports that the Cubs are close to hiring Rudy Jaramillo as their new hitting coach.
Jaramillo opted against taking a one-year deal to remain with the Rangers, which looks smart with Heyman noting that he's expected to "receive a multiyear deal for about $800,000 per year." That would make him the highest-paid coach in baseball.
Source: SI.com "

Will Dave Duncan be next, seeing as the Cubs are spreading the wealth on coaches now?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 04:50:41 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:39:27 PM
Chuck's gonna love this.

"SI.com's Jon Heyman reports that the Cubs are close to hiring Rudy Jaramillo as their new hitting coach.
Jaramillo opted against taking a one-year deal to remain with the Rangers, which looks smart with Heyman noting that he's expected to "receive a multiyear deal for about $800,000 per year." That would make him the highest-paid coach in baseball.
Source: SI.com "

Will Dave Duncan be next, seeing as the Cubs are spreading the wealth on coaches now?

In case you haven't heard the past 7 years, Larry Rothschild is one of the most respected men in baseball.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on October 19, 2009, 04:56:32 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:39:27 PM
Chuck's gonna love this.

"SI.com's Jon Heyman reports that the Cubs are close to hiring Rudy Jaramillo as their new hitting coach.
Jaramillo opted against taking a one-year deal to remain with the Rangers, which looks smart with Heyman noting that he's expected to "receive a multiyear deal for about $800,000 per year." That would make him the highest-paid coach in baseball.
Source: SI.com "
What kind of no-trade clause will Hendry be "forced" to give him?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 04:50:41 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:39:27 PM
Chuck's gonna love this.

"SI.com's Jon Heyman reports that the Cubs are close to hiring Rudy Jaramillo as their new hitting coach.
Jaramillo opted against taking a one-year deal to remain with the Rangers, which looks smart with Heyman noting that he's expected to "receive a multiyear deal for about $800,000 per year." That would make him the highest-paid coach in baseball.
Source: SI.com "

Will Dave Duncan be next, seeing as the Cubs are spreading the wealth on coaches now?

In case you haven't heard the past 7 years, Larry Rothschild is one of the most respected men in baseball.

I want to know what kind of nude photos Larry has that have allowed him to keep his job despite three managerial changes during his tenure. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on October 19, 2009, 05:30:37 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 04:50:41 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:39:27 PM
Chuck's gonna love this.

"SI.com's Jon Heyman reports that the Cubs are close to hiring Rudy Jaramillo as their new hitting coach.
Jaramillo opted against taking a one-year deal to remain with the Rangers, which looks smart with Heyman noting that he's expected to "receive a multiyear deal for about $800,000 per year." That would make him the highest-paid coach in baseball.
Source: SI.com "

Will Dave Duncan be next, seeing as the Cubs are spreading the wealth on coaches now?

In case you haven't heard the past 7 years, Larry Rothschild is one of the most respected men in baseball.

I want to know what kind of nude photos Larry has that have allowed him to keep his job despite three managerial changes during his tenure. 

No you don't.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on October 19, 2009, 05:31:49 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 04:50:41 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:39:27 PM
Chuck's gonna love this.

"SI.com's Jon Heyman reports that the Cubs are close to hiring Rudy Jaramillo as their new hitting coach.
Jaramillo opted against taking a one-year deal to remain with the Rangers, which looks smart with Heyman noting that he's expected to "receive a multiyear deal for about $800,000 per year." That would make him the highest-paid coach in baseball.
Source: SI.com "

Will Dave Duncan be next, seeing as the Cubs are spreading the wealth on coaches now?

Uncle Albert is not in a panic about extending his contract with the Deadbirds.  

"I reiterate that money is not everything," Pujols said in the radio interview

No.  Albert is taking a long look at which team offers the best retiree health plan, 401k matching contributions, and other programs appropriate to the concerns of those reaching a certain age.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on October 19, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 04:50:41 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:39:27 PM
Chuck's gonna love this.

"SI.com's Jon Heyman reports that the Cubs are close to hiring Rudy Jaramillo as their new hitting coach.
Jaramillo opted against taking a one-year deal to remain with the Rangers, which looks smart with Heyman noting that he's expected to "receive a multiyear deal for about $800,000 per year." That would make him the highest-paid coach in baseball.
Source: SI.com "

Will Dave Duncan be next, seeing as the Cubs are spreading the wealth on coaches now?

In case you haven't heard the past 7 years, Larry Rothschild is one of the most respected men in baseball.

I want to know what kind of nude photos Larry has that have allowed him to keep his job despite three managerial changes during his tenure. 

I posted something somewhere along the line pointing out that Rothschild's pitching staffs have been in the top 3rd or so in the NL during his tenure. I'm not going to find where because I'm fat and lazy, but yea.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on October 19, 2009, 06:41:40 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 19, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 04:50:41 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:39:27 PM
Chuck's gonna love this.

"SI.com's Jon Heyman reports that the Cubs are close to hiring Rudy Jaramillo as their new hitting coach.
Jaramillo opted against taking a one-year deal to remain with the Rangers, which looks smart with Heyman noting that he's expected to "receive a multiyear deal for about $800,000 per year." That would make him the highest-paid coach in baseball.
Source: SI.com "

Will Dave Duncan be next, seeing as the Cubs are spreading the wealth on coaches now?

In case you haven't heard the past 7 years, Larry Rothschild is one of the most respected men in baseball.

I want to know what kind of nude photos Larry has that have allowed him to keep his job despite three managerial changes during his tenure. 

I posted something somewhere along the line pointing out that Rothschild's pitching staffs have been in the top 3rd or so in the NL during his tenure. I'm not going to find where because I'm fat and lazy, but yea.

You can start here. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6733.msg188578#msg188578)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 06:47:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 19, 2009, 06:41:40 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 19, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 04:50:41 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:39:27 PM
Chuck's gonna love this.

"SI.com's Jon Heyman reports that the Cubs are close to hiring Rudy Jaramillo as their new hitting coach.
Jaramillo opted against taking a one-year deal to remain with the Rangers, which looks smart with Heyman noting that he's expected to "receive a multiyear deal for about $800,000 per year." That would make him the highest-paid coach in baseball.
Source: SI.com "

Will Dave Duncan be next, seeing as the Cubs are spreading the wealth on coaches now?

In case you haven't heard the past 7 years, Larry Rothschild is one of the most respected men in baseball.

I want to know what kind of nude photos Larry has that have allowed him to keep his job despite three managerial changes during his tenure. 

I posted something somewhere along the line pointing out that Rothschild's pitching staffs have been in the top 3rd or so in the NL during his tenure. I'm not going to find where because I'm fat and lazy, but yea.

You can start here. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6733.msg188578#msg188578)

I don't think he should be fired or anything, I just find it interesting that he's remained in that position.  I always assumed that a coaching squad flowed from the manager's preferences, such that he got to select the people he wanted around him, like the President with his Cabinet.

I guess I was mistaken.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on October 19, 2009, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: CBStew on October 19, 2009, 05:31:49 PM


Uncle Albert is not in a panic about extending his contract with the Deadbirds.  

"I reiterate that money is not everything," Pujols said in the radio interview

No.  Albert is taking a long look at which team offers the best retiree health plan, 401k matching contributions, and other programs appropriate to the concerns of those reaching a certain age.


I'm pretty sure whichever team has the best chemists is at least as important as money.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on October 19, 2009, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 06:47:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 19, 2009, 06:41:40 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 19, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 19, 2009, 04:50:41 PM
Quote from: BH on October 19, 2009, 04:39:27 PM
Chuck's gonna love this.

"SI.com's Jon Heyman reports that the Cubs are close to hiring Rudy Jaramillo as their new hitting coach.
Jaramillo opted against taking a one-year deal to remain with the Rangers, which looks smart with Heyman noting that he's expected to "receive a multiyear deal for about $800,000 per year." That would make him the highest-paid coach in baseball.
Source: SI.com "

Will Dave Duncan be next, seeing as the Cubs are spreading the wealth on coaches now?

In case you haven't heard the past 7 years, Larry Rothschild is one of the most respected men in baseball.

I want to know what kind of nude photos Larry has that have allowed him to keep his job despite three managerial changes during his tenure. 

I posted something somewhere along the line pointing out that Rothschild's pitching staffs have been in the top 3rd or so in the NL during his tenure. I'm not going to find where because I'm fat and lazy, but yea.

You can start here. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6733.msg188578#msg188578)

I don't think he should be fired or anything, I just find it interesting that he's remained in that position.  I always assumed that a coaching squad flowed from the manager's preferences, such that he got to select the people he wanted around him, like the President with his Cabinet.

I guess I was mistaken.

No, actually you're correct.
Any success that the Cubs pitching staff has had under Larry aside, it's pretty common to change out your staff when you start anew as a manager.

Or, if you're the Cubs, it's pretty common to change out your hitting coach every 4 months.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on October 21, 2009, 01:55:00 AM
Almost DRLP at this point, but, enter Jaramillo (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091021&content_id=7512356&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc).
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on October 21, 2009, 03:23:31 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy's analysis:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on October 21, 2009, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 21, 2009, 03:23:31 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy's analysis:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html

I see Yeti's posting under the name WrigleyTerror37 (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html?cid=6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b#comment-6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b)

Quote
I say KEEP BRADLY. yes i know but hear me out. If this new hitting couch can help Bradly,and Soriano start hitting again then great.
But if Bradly still isnt hitting then i say we trade him around the trade deadline. And if we do trade him then All we need to do is call up Colvin and our out field would be Fuld, Soriano, Fukudome, Colvin, and Johnson[if we resign him hope the cubs do].


Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on October 21, 2009, 04:11:50 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 21, 2009, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 21, 2009, 03:23:31 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy's analysis:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html

I see Yeti's posting under the name WrigleyTerror37 (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html?cid=6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b#comment-6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b)

Quote
I say KEEP BRADLY. yes i know but hear me out. If this new hitting couch can help Bradly,and Soriano start hitting again then great.
But if Bradly still isnt hitting then i say we trade him around the trade deadline. And if we do trade him then All we need to do is call up Colvin and our out field would be Fuld, Soriano, Fukudome, Colvin, and Johnson[if we resign him hope the cubs do].




This made me throw up a little bit in my mouth:

Quote
Their likely 2010 committments:
...
IF - Aaron Miles - $2.7MM
...

Fuck.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 21, 2009, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 21, 2009, 04:11:50 PM
This made me throw up a little bit in my mouth:

Quote
Their likely 2010 committments:
...
IF - Aaron Miles - $2.7MM
...

Fuck.

Miles should earn every penny of that playing in Des Moines.

Either that or eat the money and release his ass. Then he can go back to The Shire and help Frodo take the fucking ring back to Mount Doom.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on October 21, 2009, 04:35:25 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 21, 2009, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 21, 2009, 03:23:31 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy's analysis:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html

I see Yeti's posting under the name WrigleyTerror37 (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html?cid=6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b#comment-6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b)

Quote
I say KEEP BRADLY. yes i know but hear me out. If this new hitting couch can help Bradly,and Soriano start hitting again then great.
But if Bradly still isnt hitting then i say we trade him around the trade deadline. And if we do trade him then All we need to do is call up Colvin and our out field would be Fuld, Soriano, Fukudome, Colvin, and Johnson[if we resign him hope the cubs do].




You have me at the first sentence.. And minus the misspelling. Colvin, Fuld, Johnson? Yea, whatever.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Capt. Over on October 21, 2009, 05:03:29 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 21, 2009, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 21, 2009, 03:23:31 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy's analysis:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html

I see Yeti's posting under the name WrigleyTerror37 (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html?cid=6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b#comment-6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b)

Quote
I say KEEP BRADLY. yes i know but hear me out. If this new hitting couch can help Bradly,and Soriano start hitting again then great.
But if Bradly still isnt hitting then i say we trade him around the trade deadline. And if we do trade him then All we need to do is call up Colvin and our out field would be Fuld, Soriano, Fukudome, Colvin, and Johnson[if we resign him hope the cubs do].




If this was all it will take to get the team hitting again, why didn't they get a new one during the season?  Couldn't team sponsor Walter E Smith have hooked them up?  I hope they give the old one to Cindy Sandburg; she got the most use out of it.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 21, 2009, 05:09:24 PM
Quote from: Capt. Over on October 21, 2009, 05:03:29 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 21, 2009, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 21, 2009, 03:23:31 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy's analysis:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html

I see Yeti's posting under the name WrigleyTerror37 (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html?cid=6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b#comment-6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b)

Quote
I say KEEP BRADLY. yes i know but hear me out. If this new hitting couch can help Bradly,and Soriano start hitting again then great.
But if Bradly still isnt hitting then i say we trade him around the trade deadline. And if we do trade him then All we need to do is call up Colvin and our out field would be Fuld, Soriano, Fukudome, Colvin, and Johnson[if we resign him hope the cubs do].




If this was all it will take to get the team hitting again, why didn't they get a new one during the season?  Couldn't team sponsor Walter E Smith have hooked them up?  I hope they give the old one to Cindy Sandburg; she got the most use out of it.

Whatever you say, Cusack (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=2566.msg194089#msg194089).
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on October 21, 2009, 05:10:28 PM
Quote from: Capt. Over on October 21, 2009, 05:03:29 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 21, 2009, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 21, 2009, 03:23:31 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy's analysis:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html

I see Yeti's posting under the name WrigleyTerror37 (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html?cid=6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b#comment-6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b)

Quote
I say KEEP BRADLY. yes i know but hear me out. If this new hitting couch can help Bradly,and Soriano start hitting again then great.
But if Bradly still isnt hitting then i say we trade him around the trade deadline. And if we do trade him then All we need to do is call up Colvin and our out field would be Fuld, Soriano, Fukudome, Colvin, and Johnson[if we resign him hope the cubs do].




If this was all it will take to get the team hitting again, why didn't they get a new one during the season?  Couldn't team sponsor Walter E Smith have hooked them up?  I hope they give the old one to Cindy Sandburg; she got the most use out of it.

They did. (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/06/cubs-fire-hitting-coach-gerald-perry-promote-von-joshua.html)

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Capt. Over on October 21, 2009, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 21, 2009, 05:09:24 PM
Quote from: Capt. Over on October 21, 2009, 05:03:29 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 21, 2009, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 21, 2009, 03:23:31 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy's analysis:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html

I see Yeti's posting under the name WrigleyTerror37 (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html?cid=6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b#comment-6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b)

Quote
I say KEEP BRADLY. yes i know but hear me out. If this new hitting couch can help Bradly,and Soriano start hitting again then great.
But if Bradly still isnt hitting then i say we trade him around the trade deadline. And if we do trade him then All we need to do is call up Colvin and our out field would be Fuld, Soriano, Fukudome, Colvin, and Johnson[if we resign him hope the cubs do].




If this was all it will take to get the team hitting again, why didn't they get a new one during the season?  Couldn't team sponsor Walter E Smith have hooked them up?  I hope they give the old one to Cindy Sandburg; she got the most use out of it.

Whatever you say, Cusack (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=2566.msg194089#msg194089).

Carl Sandburg's wife was also named Cindy, and supposedly slept with Hack Wilson and Kiki Cuyler, among others.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Indolent Reader on October 22, 2009, 10:45:34 AM
Quote from: Capt. Over on October 21, 2009, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 21, 2009, 05:09:24 PM
Quote from: Capt. Over on October 21, 2009, 05:03:29 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 21, 2009, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 21, 2009, 03:23:31 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy's analysis:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html

I see Yeti's posting under the name WrigleyTerror37 (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html?cid=6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b#comment-6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b)

Quote
I say KEEP BRADLY. yes i know but hear me out. If this new hitting couch can help Bradly,and Soriano start hitting again then great.
But if Bradly still isnt hitting then i say we trade him around the trade deadline. And if we do trade him then All we need to do is call up Colvin and our out field would be Fuld, Soriano, Fukudome, Colvin, and Johnson[if we resign him hope the cubs do].




If this was all it will take to get the team hitting again, why didn't they get a new one during the season?  Couldn't team sponsor Walter E Smith have hooked them up?  I hope they give the old one to Cindy Sandburg; she got the most use out of it.

Whatever you say, Cusack (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=2566.msg194089#msg194089).

Carl Sandburg's wife was also named Cindy, and supposedly slept with Hack Wilson and Kiki Cuyler, among others.

That makes her the real Hog Butcher for the World, amirite?

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on October 22, 2009, 11:08:45 AM
Quote from: Indolent Reader on October 22, 2009, 10:45:34 AM
Quote from: Capt. Over on October 21, 2009, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 21, 2009, 05:09:24 PM
Quote from: Capt. Over on October 21, 2009, 05:03:29 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 21, 2009, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 21, 2009, 03:23:31 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy's analysis:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html

I see Yeti's posting under the name WrigleyTerror37 (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html?cid=6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b#comment-6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b)

Quote
I say KEEP BRADLY. yes i know but hear me out. If this new hitting couch can help Bradly,and Soriano start hitting again then great.
But if Bradly still isnt hitting then i say we trade him around the trade deadline. And if we do trade him then All we need to do is call up Colvin and our out field would be Fuld, Soriano, Fukudome, Colvin, and Johnson[if we resign him hope the cubs do].




If this was all it will take to get the team hitting again, why didn't they get a new one during the season?  Couldn't team sponsor Walter E Smith have hooked them up?  I hope they give the old one to Cindy Sandburg; she got the most use out of it.

Whatever you say, Cusack (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=2566.msg194089#msg194089).

Carl Sandburg's wife was also named Cindy, and supposedly slept with Hack Wilson and Kiki Cuyler, among others.

That makes her the real Hog Butcher for the World, amirite?



...HIYO!!!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on October 27, 2009, 10:38:07 PM
Quote from: Jon on October 22, 2009, 11:08:45 AM
Quote from: Indolent Reader on October 22, 2009, 10:45:34 AM
Quote from: Capt. Over on October 21, 2009, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 21, 2009, 05:09:24 PM
Quote from: Capt. Over on October 21, 2009, 05:03:29 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 21, 2009, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 21, 2009, 03:23:31 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy's analysis:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html

I see Yeti's posting under the name WrigleyTerror37 (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html?cid=6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b#comment-6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b)

Quote
I say KEEP BRADLY. yes i know but hear me out. If this new hitting couch can help Bradly,and Soriano start hitting again then great.
But if Bradly still isnt hitting then i say we trade him around the trade deadline. And if we do trade him then All we need to do is call up Colvin and our out field would be Fuld, Soriano, Fukudome, Colvin, and Johnson[if we resign him hope the cubs do].




If this was all it will take to get the team hitting again, why didn't they get a new one during the season?  Couldn't team sponsor Walter E Smith have hooked them up?  I hope they give the old one to Cindy Sandburg; she got the most use out of it.

Whatever you say, Cusack (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=2566.msg194089#msg194089).

Carl Sandburg's wife was also named Cindy, and supposedly slept with Hack Wilson and Kiki Cuyler, among others.

That makes her the real Hog Butcher for the World, amirite?



...HIYO!!!

I'm sad that I missed this, because I'd have gone with "Stacker of Wheat (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wheatza01.shtml)" especially as Zack was slightly more her era than Wilson and Cuyler.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BBM on October 27, 2009, 11:54:19 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 27, 2009, 10:38:07 PM
Quote from: Jon on October 22, 2009, 11:08:45 AM
Quote from: Indolent Reader on October 22, 2009, 10:45:34 AM
Quote from: Capt. Over on October 21, 2009, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 21, 2009, 05:09:24 PM
Quote from: Capt. Over on October 21, 2009, 05:03:29 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 21, 2009, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 21, 2009, 03:23:31 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy's analysis:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html

I see Yeti's posting under the name WrigleyTerror37 (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-cubs.html?cid=6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b#comment-6a00d834515b9a69e20120a60d44eb970b)

Quote
I say KEEP BRADLY. yes i know but hear me out. If this new hitting couch can help Bradly,and Soriano start hitting again then great.
But if Bradly still isnt hitting then i say we trade him around the trade deadline. And if we do trade him then All we need to do is call up Colvin and our out field would be Fuld, Soriano, Fukudome, Colvin, and Johnson[if we resign him hope the cubs do].




If this was all it will take to get the team hitting again, why didn't they get a new one during the season?  Couldn't team sponsor Walter E Smith have hooked them up?  I hope they give the old one to Cindy Sandburg; she got the most use out of it.

Whatever you say, Cusack (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=2566.msg194089#msg194089).

Carl Sandburg's wife was also named Cindy, and supposedly slept with Hack Wilson and Kiki Cuyler, among others.

That makes her the real Hog Butcher for the World, amirite?



...HIYO!!!

I'm sad that I missed this, because I'd have gone with "Stacker of Wheat (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wheatza01.shtml)" especially as Zack was slightly more her era than Wilson and Cuyler. CHEDDA

Dykstra'd
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on October 28, 2009, 09:57:07 AM
Judging by his contract, I'm guessing Hendry will be going after Gary Matthews Jr this offseason.

"Gary Matthews Jr. indicated Tuesday that he expects to begin the 2010 season with a team other than the Angels.
It's going to be tough for the Halos to dump the remainder of Matthews' five-year, $50 million contract on another club this winter. He hit .248/.325/.383 in the 2009 regular season with just four homers in 316 at-bats. But, he's now gone public with his desire to leave Anaheim and GM Tony Reagins is likely to shop around for trade partners. "I don't expect to be back; it's time to move on," said the outfielder. "I'm ready to play for an organization that wants me to play every day. This organization has other plans, and that's OK." Oct. 28 - 6:20 am et
Source: Los Angeles Times "
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on October 28, 2009, 10:11:48 AM
Quote from: BH on October 28, 2009, 09:57:07 AM
Judging by his contract, I'm guessing Hendry will be going after Gary Matthews Jr this offseason.

"Gary Matthews Jr. indicated Tuesday that he expects to begin the 2010 season with a team other than the Angels.
It's going to be tough for the Halos to dump the remainder of Matthews' five-year, $50 million contract on another club this winter. He hit .248/.325/.383 in the 2009 regular season with just four homers in 316 at-bats. But, he's now gone public with his desire to leave Anaheim and GM Tony Reagins is likely to shop around for trade partners. "I don't expect to be back; it's time to move on," said the outfielder. "I'm ready to play for an organization that wants me to play every day. This organization has other plans, and that's OK." Oct. 28 - 6:20 am et
Source: Los Angeles Times "

Gee. Matt. Jew.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 28, 2009, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 28, 2009, 10:11:48 AM
Quote from: BH on October 28, 2009, 09:57:07 AM
Judging by his contract, I'm guessing Hendry will be going after Gary Matthews Jr this offseason.

"Gary Matthews Jr. indicated Tuesday that he expects to begin the 2010 season with a team other than the Angels.
It's going to be tough for the Halos to dump the remainder of Matthews' five-year, $50 million contract on another club this winter. He hit .248/.325/.383 in the 2009 regular season with just four homers in 316 at-bats. But, he's now gone public with his desire to leave Anaheim and GM Tony Reagins is likely to shop around for trade partners. "I don't expect to be back; it's time to move on," said the outfielder. "I'm ready to play for an organization that wants me to play every day. This organization has other plans, and that's OK." Oct. 28 - 6:20 am et
Source: Los Angeles Times "

Gee. Matt. Jew.

He'd be a good fit in St. Louis.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on October 28, 2009, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 28, 2009, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 28, 2009, 10:11:48 AM
Quote from: BH on October 28, 2009, 09:57:07 AM
Judging by his contract, I'm guessing Hendry will be going after Gary Matthews Jr this offseason.

"Gary Matthews Jr. indicated Tuesday that he expects to begin the 2010 season with a team other than the Angels.
It's going to be tough for the Halos to dump the remainder of Matthews' five-year, $50 million contract on another club this winter. He hit .248/.325/.383 in the 2009 regular season with just four homers in 316 at-bats. But, he's now gone public with his desire to leave Anaheim and GM Tony Reagins is likely to shop around for trade partners. "I don't expect to be back; it's time to move on," said the outfielder. "I'm ready to play for an organization that wants me to play every day. This organization has other plans, and that's OK." Oct. 28 - 6:20 am et
Source: Los Angeles Times "

Gee. Matt. Jew.

He'd be a good fit the black Mickey Mantle in St. Louis.

Injected.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on October 28, 2009, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 28, 2009, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 28, 2009, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 28, 2009, 10:11:48 AM
Quote from: BH on October 28, 2009, 09:57:07 AM
Judging by his contract, I'm guessing Hendry will be going after Gary Matthews Jr this offseason.

"Gary Matthews Jr. indicated Tuesday that he expects to begin the 2010 season with a team other than the Angels.
It's going to be tough for the Halos to dump the remainder of Matthews' five-year, $50 million contract on another club this winter. He hit .248/.325/.383 in the 2009 regular season with just four homers in 316 at-bats. But, he's now gone public with his desire to leave Anaheim and GM Tony Reagins is likely to shop around for trade partners. "I don't expect to be back; it's time to move on," said the outfielder. "I'm ready to play for an organization that wants me to play every day. This organization has other plans, and that's OK." Oct. 28 - 6:20 am et
Source: Los Angeles Times "

Gee. Matt. Jew.

He'd be a good fit the black Mickey Mantle in St. Louis.

Injected.

Ah yes. Blickey Blantle.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on October 29, 2009, 04:04:09 PM
Tom Ricketts on Boers and Bernstein Friday afternoon at 3:30. Live in the studio. Could be an interesting conversation.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on October 29, 2009, 06:07:52 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 29, 2009, 04:04:09 PM
Tom Ricketts on Boers and Bernstein Friday afternoon at 3:30. Live in the studio. Could be an interesting conversation.

Doubt it. But their chat with Charles Tillman today made me chuckle to beat the band. Parts anyway.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 05, 2009, 09:25:05 AM
White sox trade.

"According to Bill Madden of The NY Daily News, the Royals have agreed to send the versatile Mark Teahen to the White Sox in exchange for Chris Getz and Josh Fields. Madden says Teahen is expected to replace free agent-to-be Jermaine Dye in rightfield."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on November 05, 2009, 09:31:05 AM
Quote from: BH on November 05, 2009, 09:25:05 AM
White sox trade.

"According to Bill Madden of The NY Daily News, the Royals have agreed to send the versatile Mark Teahen to the White Sox in exchange for Chris Getz and Josh Fields. Madden says Teahen is expected to replace free agent-to-be Jermaine Dye in rightfield."

There's a thread for Sox trades on here someplace. You might have put this there so that Indolent Reader could see it and y'all could chat.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Indolent Reader on November 05, 2009, 09:34:53 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 05, 2009, 09:31:05 AM
Quote from: BH on November 05, 2009, 09:25:05 AM
White sox trade.

"According to Bill Madden of The NY Daily News, the Royals have agreed to send the versatile Mark Teahen to the White Sox in exchange for Chris Getz and Josh Fields. Madden says Teahen is expected to replace free agent-to-be Jermaine Dye in rightfield."

There's a thread for Sox trades on here someplace. You might have put this there so that Indolent Reader could see it and y'all could chat.

Thanks for the shoutout!

Not too excited about losing Getz as he's grindery. 

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on November 05, 2009, 11:51:34 AM
The World Series is over.  Is Bradley still a Cub?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on November 05, 2009, 11:55:34 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 05, 2009, 11:51:34 AM
The World Series is over.  Is Bradley still a Cub?

The White Sox made a trade.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 05, 2009, 12:06:38 PM
Kap really likes this Starlin Castro  (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2009/11/some-ideas-for-the-cubs.html)kid.

And how about Barry Zito! Ben Sheets? Boston is rumored to be hot after Sheets.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 05, 2009, 12:37:04 PM
What an idiot.

QuoteWhat about a one year contract for Orlando Cabrera, who played very well for the Minnesota Twins down the stretch?

Kap's definition of "very well" is .289/.313 (!!!)/.430, for an OPS+ of 99.  He hit 5 HR.  And I'm trying to ignore that Kap wants to sign Cabrera on the basis of two weeks' play.

QuoteThe former White Sox has had a solid big league career for the past 12 seasons. He is excellent defensively,

Fielding percentage (anything else would be too much for Kap) of .965 in 2009, not exactly excellent.  Theriot was .976.  Every report I've seen says he's lost range.  And since reports say John Lackey is a great teammate and Carlos Zambrano leaves his teammates hanging on high fives every time, we know it's true.

Quotehits for average,

Career .275.

Quoteruns fairly well

"Fairly" is a nice weasel word for a guy who stole two bases while carrying the Twins down the stretch.

Quoteand would not cost a ton of money to sign. Cabrera plays nearly every day, and brings a ton of postseason experience.

Cabrera in five postseason series: .234/.297/.312, in 155 PA.  But yes, get him by all means, Cabrera is the missing piece.

Twins fan perspective from AaronGleeman.com: (http://www.aarongleeman.com/)

QuoteOrlando Cabrera: He's getting tons of credit for the team's dramatic turnaround after batting .411 with 21 runs and 16 RBIs over the final 16 games, but Cabrera also hit a putrid .237/.268/.361 in his first 43 games with the Twins. Add it all up and he hit .289/.313/.430 with the Twins after batting .280/.318/.385 with the A's, both of which are very close to his .275/.322/.398 career line. As noted above that type of modest production qualifies as about average at shortstop, but Cabrera isn't near [Jack] Wilson defensively.

In fact, UZR pegged Cabrera as 15 runs below average this season. He's rated well defensively in the past, but Cabrera is 35 years old and looked bad enough following the trade that Ron Gardenhire even admitted his range was lacking. Average offensively and well below average defensively is a recipe for disaster in a mid-30s shortstop, and Cabrera's poor OBPs are a terrible fit in the Gardenhire-preferred No. 2 spot. If he wants to come back cheaply that's fine, but hopefully the Twins didn't fall in love.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on November 05, 2009, 12:44:44 PM
Quote from: B-B-Bears on November 05, 2009, 12:37:04 PM
What an idiot.

QuoteWhat about a one year contract for Orlando Cabrera, who played very well for the Minnesota Twins down the stretch?

Kap's definition of "very well" is .289/.313 (!!!)/.430, for an OPS+ of 99.  He hit 5 HR.  And I'm trying to ignore that Kap wants to sign Cabrera on the basis of two weeks' play.

QuoteThe former White Sox has had a solid big league career for the past 12 seasons. He is excellent defensively,

Fielding percentage (anything else would be too much for Kap) of .965 in 2009, not exactly excellent.  Theriot was .976.  Every report I've seen says he's lost range.  And since reports say John Lackey is a great teammate and Carlos Zambrano leaves his teammates hanging on high fives every time, we know it's true.

Quotehits for average,

Career .275.

Quoteruns fairly well

"Fairly" is a nice weasel word for a guy who stole two bases while carrying the Twins down the stretch.

Quoteand would not cost a ton of money to sign. Cabrera plays nearly every day, and brings a ton of postseason experience.

Cabrera in five postseason series: .234/.297/.312, in 155 PA.  But yes, get him by all means, Cabrera is the missing piece.

Twins fan perspective from AaronGleeman.com: (http://www.aarongleeman.com/)

QuoteOrlando Cabrera: He's getting tons of credit for the team's dramatic turnaround after batting .411 with 21 runs and 16 RBIs over the final 16 games, but Cabrera also hit a putrid .237/.268/.361 in his first 43 games with the Twins. Add it all up and he hit .289/.313/.430 with the Twins after batting .280/.318/.385 with the A's, both of which are very close to his .275/.322/.398 career line. As noted above that type of modest production qualifies as about average at shortstop, but Cabrera isn't near [Jack] Wilson defensively.

In fact, UZR pegged Cabrera as 15 runs below average this season. He's rated well defensively in the past, but Cabrera is 35 years old and looked bad enough following the trade that Ron Gardenhire even admitted his range was lacking. Average offensively and well below average defensively is a recipe for disaster in a mid-30s shortstop, and Cabrera's poor OBPs are a terrible fit in the Gardenhire-preferred No. 2 spot. If he wants to come back cheaply that's fine, but hopefully the Twins didn't fall in love.

I was going to point out a bunch of stuff why Kaplan is so retarded but I got tired. I'm going to sit back and continue my research into his Lackey >>>>>>>>> Zambrano claim.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 05, 2009, 12:46:58 PM
Quote from: B-B-Bears on November 05, 2009, 12:37:04 PM
What an idiot.

QuoteWhat about a one year contract for Orlando Cabrera, who played very well for the Minnesota Twins down the stretch?

Kap's definition of "very well" is .289/.313 (!!!)/.430, for an OPS+ of 99.  He hit 5 HR.

QuoteThe former White Sox has had a solid big league career for the past 12 seasons. He is excellent defensively,

Fielding percentage (anything else would be too much for Kap) of .965 in 2009, not exactly excellent.  Theriot was .976.  Every report I've seen says he's lost range.  And since reports say John Lackey is a great teammate and Carlos Zambrano leaves his teammates hanging on high fives every time, we know it's true.

Quotehits for average,

Career .275.

Quoteruns fairly well

"Fairly" is a nice weasel word for a guy who stole two bases while carrying the Twins down the stretch.

Quoteand would not cost a ton of money to sign. Cabrera plays nearly every day, and brings a ton of postseason experience.

Cabrera in five postseason series: .234/.297/.312, in 155 PA.  But yes, get him by all means, Cabrera is the missing piece.

Twins fan perspective from AaronGleeman.com: (http://www.aarongleeman.com/)

QuoteOrlando Cabrera: He's getting tons of credit for the team's dramatic turnaround after batting .411 with 21 runs and 16 RBIs over the final 16 games, but Cabrera also hit a putrid .237/.268/.361 in his first 43 games with the Twins. Add it all up and he hit .289/.313/.430 with the Twins after batting .280/.318/.385 with the A's, both of which are very close to his .275/.322/.398 career line. As noted above that type of modest production qualifies as about average at shortstop, but Cabrera isn't near [Jack] Wilson defensively.

In fact, UZR pegged Cabrera as 15 runs below average this season. He's rated well defensively in the past, but Cabrera is 35 years old and looked bad enough following the trade that Ron Gardenhire even admitted his range was lacking. Average offensively and well below average defensively is a recipe for disaster in a mid-30s shortstop, and Cabrera's poor OBPs are a terrible fit in the Gardenhire-preferred No. 2 spot. If he wants to come back cheaply that's fine, but hopefully the Twins didn't fall in love.

Your stats omit one GIANT factor? Starlin would force his way into the starting lineup next year. Cabrera would just play for the first month of the season until Starlin carries this team into the playoffs. Kap knows this. You know this. Kap just wants to set the stage that Ocab will start so Ocab doesn't decline our courtship going into the offseason. The ole' bait n switch.

The big question I have is, how do we trade for Barry Zito. We must.

Although Torii Hunter's quote has me pumped to go sign John Lackey. Torii didn't follow the money, he followed a true leader.
And not a Zambrano I-got-paid-and-let-everyone-down leader.

Lackey played ball. Gotta go get a guy that played ball and now pitches.

"Torii Hunter on John Lackey....
"He's a bulldog, he's one of the reasons I came over here," said Torii Hunter. "He gets tougher when there are guys on base, and you have to hear him in the dugout. He played football and he brings that intensity. He set the tone tonight the way he started out, and we were pumped up from then on." "
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 05, 2009, 12:48:49 PM
Quote from: BH on November 05, 2009, 12:46:58 PM
Quote from: B-B-Bears on November 05, 2009, 12:37:04 PM
What an idiot.

QuoteWhat about a one year contract for Orlando Cabrera, who played very well for the Minnesota Twins down the stretch?

Kap's definition of "very well" is .289/.313 (!!!)/.430, for an OPS+ of 99.  He hit 5 HR.

QuoteThe former White Sox has had a solid big league career for the past 12 seasons. He is excellent defensively,

Fielding percentage (anything else would be too much for Kap) of .965 in 2009, not exactly excellent.  Theriot was .976.  Every report I've seen says he's lost range.  And since reports say John Lackey is a great teammate and Carlos Zambrano leaves his teammates hanging on high fives every time, we know it's true.

Quotehits for average,

Career .275.

Quoteruns fairly well

"Fairly" is a nice weasel word for a guy who stole two bases while carrying the Twins down the stretch.

Quoteand would not cost a ton of money to sign. Cabrera plays nearly every day, and brings a ton of postseason experience.

Cabrera in five postseason series: .234/.297/.312, in 155 PA.  But yes, get him by all means, Cabrera is the missing piece.

Twins fan perspective from AaronGleeman.com: (http://www.aarongleeman.com/)

QuoteOrlando Cabrera: He's getting tons of credit for the team's dramatic turnaround after batting .411 with 21 runs and 16 RBIs over the final 16 games, but Cabrera also hit a putrid .237/.268/.361 in his first 43 games with the Twins. Add it all up and he hit .289/.313/.430 with the Twins after batting .280/.318/.385 with the A's, both of which are very close to his .275/.322/.398 career line. As noted above that type of modest production qualifies as about average at shortstop, but Cabrera isn't near [Jack] Wilson defensively.

In fact, UZR pegged Cabrera as 15 runs below average this season. He's rated well defensively in the past, but Cabrera is 35 years old and looked bad enough following the trade that Ron Gardenhire even admitted his range was lacking. Average offensively and well below average defensively is a recipe for disaster in a mid-30s shortstop, and Cabrera's poor OBPs are a terrible fit in the Gardenhire-preferred No. 2 spot. If he wants to come back cheaply that's fine, but hopefully the Twins didn't fall in love.

Your stats omit one GIANT factor? Starlin would force his way into the starting lineup next year. Cabrera would just play for the first month of the season until Starlin carries this team into the playoffs. Kap knows this. You know this. Kap just wants to set the stage that Ocab will start so Ocab doesn't decline our courtship going into the offseason. The ole' bait n switch.

The big question I have is, how do we trade for Barry Zito. We must.

Although Torii Hunter's quote has me pumped to go sign John Lackey. Torii didn't follow the money, he followed a true leader.
And not a Zambrano I-got-paid-and-let-everyone-down leader.

Lackey played ball. Gotta go get a guy that played ball and now pitches.

"Torii Hunter on John Lackey....
"He's a bulldog, he's one of the reasons I came over here," said Torii Hunter. "He gets tougher when there are guys on base, and you have to hear him in the dugout. He played football and he brings that intensity. He set the tone tonight the way he started out, and we were pumped up from then on." "

Former Punter (http://www.firejoemorgan.com/search/label/punter) Darin Erstad is available.  He, too, is a bulldog.  Get it done, Jim.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on November 05, 2009, 12:54:33 PM
Quote from: BH on November 05, 2009, 12:46:58 PM
Quote from: B-B-Bears on November 05, 2009, 12:37:04 PM
What an idiot.

QuoteWhat about a one year contract for Orlando Cabrera, who played very well for the Minnesota Twins down the stretch?

Kap's definition of "very well" is .289/.313 (!!!)/.430, for an OPS+ of 99.  He hit 5 HR.

QuoteThe former White Sox has had a solid big league career for the past 12 seasons. He is excellent defensively,

Fielding percentage (anything else would be too much for Kap) of .965 in 2009, not exactly excellent.  Theriot was .976.  Every report I've seen says he's lost range.  And since reports say John Lackey is a great teammate and Carlos Zambrano leaves his teammates hanging on high fives every time, we know it's true.

Quotehits for average,

Career .275.

Quoteruns fairly well

"Fairly" is a nice weasel word for a guy who stole two bases while carrying the Twins down the stretch.

Quoteand would not cost a ton of money to sign. Cabrera plays nearly every day, and brings a ton of postseason experience.

Cabrera in five postseason series: .234/.297/.312, in 155 PA.  But yes, get him by all means, Cabrera is the missing piece.

Twins fan perspective from AaronGleeman.com: (http://www.aarongleeman.com/)

QuoteOrlando Cabrera: He's getting tons of credit for the team's dramatic turnaround after batting .411 with 21 runs and 16 RBIs over the final 16 games, but Cabrera also hit a putrid .237/.268/.361 in his first 43 games with the Twins. Add it all up and he hit .289/.313/.430 with the Twins after batting .280/.318/.385 with the A's, both of which are very close to his .275/.322/.398 career line. As noted above that type of modest production qualifies as about average at shortstop, but Cabrera isn't near [Jack] Wilson defensively.

In fact, UZR pegged Cabrera as 15 runs below average this season. He's rated well defensively in the past, but Cabrera is 35 years old and looked bad enough following the trade that Ron Gardenhire even admitted his range was lacking. Average offensively and well below average defensively is a recipe for disaster in a mid-30s shortstop, and Cabrera's poor OBPs are a terrible fit in the Gardenhire-preferred No. 2 spot. If he wants to come back cheaply that's fine, but hopefully the Twins didn't fall in love.

Your stats omit one GIANT factor? Starlin would force his way into the starting lineup next year. Cabrera would just play for the first month of the season until Starlin carries this team into the playoffs. Kap knows this. You know this. Kap just wants to set the stage that Ocab will start so Ocab doesn't decline our courtship going into the offseason. The ole' bait n switch.

The big question I have is, how do we trade for Barry Zito. We must.

Although Torii Hunter's quote has me pumped to go sign John Lackey. Torii didn't follow the money, he followed a true leader.
And not a Zambrano I-got-paid-and-let-everyone-down leader.

Lackey played ball. Gotta go get a guy that played ball and now pitches.

"Torii Hunter on John Lackey....
"He's a bulldog, he's one of the reasons I came over here," said Torii Hunter. "He gets tougher when there are guys on base, and you have to hear him in the dugout. He played football and he brings that intensity. He set the tone tonight the way he started out, and we were pumped up from then on." "

It appears he's about as tough with men on base as the rest of the league (http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=1507&position=P&page=8&type=full)

(http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/1507_P_season_full_8_20091006.png)

07 and 08 were definitely good years when it came to that, but his entire career is just about league average. If he gets better with men on base, then he must be a below average pitcher with no one on base, according to Hunter's assertion.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on November 05, 2009, 12:59:10 PM
Yeti is posting images from Fangraphs?  What the hell?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on November 05, 2009, 01:02:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 05, 2009, 12:59:10 PM
Yeti is posting images from Fangraphs?  What the hell?

I've been a converted SABR guy for a few months now. Probably since July or so.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on November 05, 2009, 07:38:51 PM
Two outfield options off the market:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/boston-acquires-hermida/ (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/boston-acquires-hermida/)

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/angels-re-sign-abreu/ (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/angels-re-sign-abreu/)

Hermida would've been an interesting guy to take a flyer on. Anybody else up for Mike Cameron on a one year deal?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on November 05, 2009, 08:47:22 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 05, 2009, 07:38:51 PM
Two outfield options off the market:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/boston-acquires-hermida/ (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/boston-acquires-hermida/)

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/angels-re-sign-abreu/ (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/angels-re-sign-abreu/)

Hermida would've been an interesting guy to take a flyer on. Anybody else up for Mike Cameron on a one year deal?

Giddy-up!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on November 05, 2009, 09:44:24 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 05, 2009, 07:38:51 PM
Hermida would've been an interesting guy to take a flyer on. Anybody else up for Mike Cameron on a one year deal?
Sure.  That means Hendry signs him for three.

No thanks.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on November 05, 2009, 10:15:31 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 05, 2009, 07:38:51 PM
Anybody else up for Mike Cameron on a one year deal?

They could do a lot worse, I guess.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on November 05, 2009, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 05, 2009, 07:38:51 PM
Two outfield options off the market:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/boston-acquires-hermida/ (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/boston-acquires-hermida/)

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/angels-re-sign-abreu/ (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/angels-re-sign-abreu/)

Hermida would've been an interesting guy to take a flyer on. Anybody else up for Mike Cameron on a one year deal?

I'm up for a guy who's historically been "worth" twice what he's made. He'll come cheap and give you much more than you've paid for. I've been wanting him and Polanco this offseason (if MB does indeed go). They shouldn't cost too much, they'll perform above their price, and could give you money to spend on Harden or another reliever. Billy Wagner to a one year deal?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 06, 2009, 01:54:18 PM
Kenny wants Johnny Damon. Awesome.

"General manager Ken Williams told reporters that outfielder Scott Podsednik is unlikely to return next season.
"I think that is not likely based on what he wants, so we will keep getting after it in other areas," said Williams in regards to Podsednik. The 33-year-old outfielder had one of the better comeback seasons in the majors in 2009, batting .304/.353/.412 with seven homers, 48 RBI and 30 stolen bases while being a spark plug atop the White Sox lineup. While Podsednik will get his money elsewhere, early chatter has the White Sox could be in the mix for Johnny Damon.
Source: Scott Merkin on Twitter "
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on November 06, 2009, 02:15:29 PM
Quote from: BH on November 06, 2009, 01:54:18 PM
Kenny wants Johnny Damon. Awesome.

"General manager Ken Williams told reporters that outfielder Scott Podsednik is unlikely to return next season.
"I think that is not likely based on what he wants, so we will keep getting after it in other areas," said Williams in regards to Podsednik. The 33-year-old outfielder had one of the better comeback seasons in the majors in 2009, batting .304/.353/.412 with seven homers, 48 RBI and 30 stolen bases while being a spark plug atop the White Sox lineup. While Podsednik will get his money elsewhere, early chatter has the White Sox could be in the mix for Johnny Damon.
Source: Scott Merkin on Twitter "

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on November 06, 2009, 02:37:13 PM
Kenny turns more and more into Jim Hendry every day.

Trading two guys for Teahen is exactly the kind of thing Hendry would love to do.  Teahen's versatility makes him an ideal bench player, especially in the National League, but the Sox are going to play him every day at third base.

Signing Johnny Damon is a move that would have Hendry green with envy.

He's 36, can't really play the outfield, and his biggest asset is his speed, which, at 36 ain't what it used to be.  On impressive stat on him from last year though, he was 12-12 in stolen bases.  He's the anti-Theriot.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on November 06, 2009, 03:08:51 PM
Quote from: Andy on November 06, 2009, 02:37:13 PM
Kenny turns more and more into Jim Hendry every day.

Trading two guys for Teahen is exactly the kind of thing Hendry would love to do.  Teahen's versatility makes him an ideal bench player, especially in the National League, but the Sox are going to play him every day at third base.

Signing Johnny Damon is a move that would have Hendry green with envy.

He's 36, can't really play the outfield, and his biggest asset is his speed, which, at 36 ain't what it used to be.  On impressive stat on him from last year though, he was 12-12 in stolen bases.  He's the anti-Theriot.

And he was Jim Cavezell's stunt double in The Last Temptation of Christ.


(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040510/040510_damon_vmed_5p.widec.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on November 06, 2009, 04:24:27 PM
Quote from: Andy on November 06, 2009, 02:37:13 PM
Kenny turns more and more into Jim Hendry every day.

Trading two guys for Teahen is exactly the kind of thing Hendry would love to do.  Teahen's versatility makes him an ideal bench player, especially in the National League, but the Sox are going to play him every day at third base.

Signing Johnny Damon is a move that would have Hendry green with envy.

He's 36, can't really play the outfield, and his biggest asset is his speed, which, at 36 ain't what it used to be.  On impressive stat on him from last year though, he was 12-12 in stolen bases.  He's the anti-Theriot.

You had to be impressed when he stole two bases on the same play in the fourth game of the series. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 06, 2009, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 06, 2009, 03:08:51 PM
Quote from: Andy on November 06, 2009, 02:37:13 PM
Kenny turns more and more into Jim Hendry every day.

Trading two guys for Teahen is exactly the kind of thing Hendry would love to do.  Teahen's versatility makes him an ideal bench player, especially in the National League, but the Sox are going to play him every day at third base.

Signing Johnny Damon is a move that would have Hendry green with envy.

He's 36, can't really play the outfield, and his biggest asset is his speed, which, at 36 ain't what it used to be.  On impressive stat on him from last year though, he was 12-12 in stolen bases.  He's the anti-Theriot.

And he was Jim Cavezell's stunt double in The Last Temptation of Christ.


(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040510/040510_damon_vmed_5p.widec.jpg)

I thought I saw Johnny of Nazereth in a GEICO commercial.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 08, 2009, 05:31:10 PM
Great news! (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/2C99D0AD1EB47F0186257666000E26D1?OpenDocument)

QuoteDeRosa, coming off wrist surgery, figures to field an offer from the Chicago Cubs, at the least.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BBM on November 08, 2009, 06:10:24 PM
Quote from: B-B-Bears on November 08, 2009, 05:31:10 PM
Great news! (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/2C99D0AD1EB47F0186257666000E26D1?OpenDocument)

QuoteDeRosa, coming off wrist surgery, figures to field an offer from the Chicago Cubs, at the least.

That sound you just heard was the collective boner the swertzki's just popped.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on November 08, 2009, 07:27:30 PM
Quote from: BBM on November 08, 2009, 06:10:24 PM
Quote from: B-B-Bears on November 08, 2009, 05:31:10 PM
Great news! (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/2C99D0AD1EB47F0186257666000E26D1?OpenDocument)

QuoteDeRosa, coming off wrist surgery, figures to field an offer from the Chicago Cubs, at the least.

That sound you just heard was the collective boner the swertzki's just popped.

BFD! NOW THEY STILL HAVE TO GET RID OF THAT ASSHOLE RF AND THEIR LOOSING REID TO FREE AGENCY NOW!!! THIS IS FUCKING CORRUPTED FRANCHISE!!!!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MidgetSellingWater on November 11, 2009, 06:37:08 AM
This is rich.  Free agent ranking are out and losing Rich Harden (Type B) only gets us a supplemental pick while losing closer extraordinaire Kevin Gregg (Type A) and lone lefty John Grabow (Type A) nets us both (potentially) a first rounder and a supplemental pick.  This list makes no sense at all.  In what world is Gregg in the top 20% at his position?  Unless that position involves producing stained underpants.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/thehotstoneleague/2010237252_elias_free_agent_rankings_are.html (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/thehotstoneleague/2010237252_elias_free_agent_rankings_are.html)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Brownie on November 11, 2009, 07:56:56 AM
Can someone get Chuck's resume out to Mr. Ricketts? (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/mlb/help/jobs.jsp?c_id=chc#job_02)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2009, 09:28:12 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2009, 07:56:56 AM
Can someone get Chuck's resume out to Mr. Ricketts? (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/mlb/help/jobs.jsp?c_id=chc#job_02)
REQUIRED EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE

# Certified Public Accountant (CPA) preferred.
# Previous experience in the role of Controller or Chief Financial Officer.

Me no got.

Shit, I can't even do QuickBooks.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on November 11, 2009, 10:15:39 AM
Quote from: MidgetSellingWater on November 11, 2009, 06:37:08 AM
This is rich.  Free agent ranking are out and losing Rich Harden (Type B) only gets us a supplemental pick while losing closer extraordinaire Kevin Gregg (Type A) and lone lefty John Grabow (Type A) nets us both (potentially) a first rounder and a supplemental pick.  This list makes no sense at all.  In what world is Gregg in the top 20% at his position?  Unless that position involves producing stained underpants.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/thehotstoneleague/2010237252_elias_free_agent_rankings_are.html (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/thehotstoneleague/2010237252_elias_free_agent_rankings_are.html)

Gregg is in the top 20 percent of closers wearing rec-specs.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Brownie on November 11, 2009, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2009, 09:28:12 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2009, 07:56:56 AM
Can someone get Chuck's resume out to Mr. Ricketts? (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/mlb/help/jobs.jsp?c_id=chc#job_02)
REQUIRED EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE

# Certified Public Accountant (CPA) preferred.
# Previous experience in the role of Controller or Chief Financial Officer.

Me no got.

Shit, I can't even do QuickBooks.

Preferred, dummy. "Ability to play baseball" was a "preferred" requirement and they signed Aaron Miles anyway. You probably have a better chance of passing the CPA exam today than Aaron Miles does of ever being good at his job.

And you were CFO and Controller of Sports-Library.com and Ivychat Enterprises.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on November 11, 2009, 10:30:42 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2009, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2009, 09:28:12 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2009, 07:56:56 AM
Can someone get Chuck's resume out to Mr. Ricketts? (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/mlb/help/jobs.jsp?c_id=chc#job_02)
REQUIRED EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE

# Certified Public Accountant (CPA) preferred.
# Previous experience in the role of Controller or Chief Financial Officer.

Me no got.

Shit, I can't even do QuickBooks.

Preferred, dummy. "Ability to play baseball" was a "preferred" requirement and they signed Aaron Miles anyway. You probably have a better chance of passing the CPA exam today than Aaron Miles does of ever being good at his job.

And you were CFO and Controller of Sports-Library.com and Ivychat Enterprises.

Sports-Library still exists?  That thing almost bankrupted Huey, from what I understand.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2009, 10:32:08 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 11, 2009, 10:30:42 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2009, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2009, 09:28:12 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2009, 07:56:56 AM
Can someone get Chuck's resume out to Mr. Ricketts? (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/mlb/help/jobs.jsp?c_id=chc#job_02)
REQUIRED EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE

# Certified Public Accountant (CPA) preferred.
# Previous experience in the role of Controller or Chief Financial Officer.

Me no got.

Shit, I can't even do QuickBooks.

Preferred, dummy. "Ability to play baseball" was a "preferred" requirement and they signed Aaron Miles anyway. You probably have a better chance of passing the CPA exam today than Aaron Miles does of ever being good at his job.

And you were CFO and Controller of Sports-Library.com and Ivychat Enterprises.

Sports-Library still exists?  That thing almost bankrupted Huey, from what I understand.
It's down right now.  I have to send an e-mail to reactivate it.  Not exactly a high priority.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on November 11, 2009, 10:34:52 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2009, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2009, 09:28:12 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2009, 07:56:56 AM
Can someone get Chuck's resume out to Mr. Ricketts? (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/mlb/help/jobs.jsp?c_id=chc#job_02)
REQUIRED EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE

# Certified Public Accountant (CPA) preferred.
# Previous experience in the role of Controller or Chief Financial Officer.

Me no got.

Shit, I can't even do QuickBooks.

Preferred, dummy. "Ability to play baseball" was a "preferred" requirement and they signed Aaron Miles anyway. You probably have a better chance of passing the CPA exam today than Aaron Miles does of ever being good at his job.

If RV, TDubbs and Irish Yeti are indicative of the quality of accountants available in this state, Chuck could be their king.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on November 11, 2009, 10:41:20 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2009, 10:32:08 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 11, 2009, 10:30:42 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2009, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2009, 09:28:12 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2009, 07:56:56 AM
Can someone get Chuck's resume out to Mr. Ricketts? (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/mlb/help/jobs.jsp?c_id=chc#job_02)
REQUIRED EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE

# Certified Public Accountant (CPA) preferred.
# Previous experience in the role of Controller or Chief Financial Officer.

Me no got.

Shit, I can't even do QuickBooks.

Preferred, dummy. "Ability to play baseball" was a "preferred" requirement and they signed Aaron Miles anyway. You probably have a better chance of passing the CPA exam today than Aaron Miles does of ever being good at his job.

And you were CFO and Controller of Sports-Library.com and Ivychat Enterprises.

Sports-Library still exists?  That thing almost bankrupted Huey, from what I understand.
It's down right now.  I have to send an e-mail to reactivate it.  Not exactly a high priority.

Wait, what?  I stopped putting money into my 401K because I assumed that I'd be able to retire on my Sports-Library investment.

Now you're telling me the cheddar isn't being stacked?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on November 11, 2009, 10:43:14 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 11, 2009, 10:30:42 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2009, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2009, 09:28:12 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2009, 07:56:56 AM
Can someone get Chuck's resume out to Mr. Ricketts? (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/mlb/help/jobs.jsp?c_id=chc#job_02)
REQUIRED EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE

# Certified Public Accountant (CPA) preferred.
# Previous experience in the role of Controller or Chief Financial Officer.

Me no got.

Shit, I can't even do QuickBooks.

Preferred, dummy. "Ability to play baseball" was a "preferred" requirement and they signed Aaron Miles anyway. You probably have a better chance of passing the CPA exam today than Aaron Miles does of ever being good at his job.

And you were CFO and Controller of Sports-Library.com and Ivychat Enterprises.

Sports-Library still exists?  That thing almost bankrupted Huey, from what I understand.

What's a library?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2009, 10:50:54 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 11, 2009, 10:41:20 AM
Wait, what?  I stopped putting money into my 401K because I assumed that I'd be able to retire on my Sports-Library investment.

Now you're telling me the cheddar isn't being stacked?
You want a copy of Cap "Sod" Boso?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on November 11, 2009, 10:59:15 AM
Just a quick request for Chuck:  put a linespace between your quotes and subsequent posts.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on November 11, 2009, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 11, 2009, 10:59:15 AM
Just a quick request for Chuck:  put a linespace between your quotes and subsequent poststake some time off from Desipio.

roast'd
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2009, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 11, 2009, 10:59:15 AM
Just a quick request for Chuck:  put a linespace between your quotes and subsequent posts.
Do you have a problem seeing this? 

Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 11, 2009, 10:59:15 AM
Just a quick request for Chuck:  put a linespace between your quotes and subsequent posts.

As opposed to this?  Curious as I see both on my browser clearly.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on November 12, 2009, 08:46:50 AM
Phildo actually gets something right for once (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-12-rogers-on-baseball-nov12,0,6822958.column) (Curtis Granderson is a very good player and the Cubs should attempt to acquire him). But of course, he completely fucks up the rationale for such a move.

QuoteBut if the Tigers really are willing to trade the 28-year-old Granderson, a guy with old-school baseball skills and leadership traits off the charts, then the Cubs must do everything possible to get him.

QuoteAs a left-handed hitter, he is a very nice fit for the Cubs. He has a very reasonable contract that, not including a 2013 option, is $23.75 million for three years. And as an intelligent, uncannily cool presence, he's the next best thing to Derek Jeter.

QuoteIf Dombrowski wants to talk about Carlos Marmol, potentially a closer for the next two or three years, and Starlin Castro, who could have a Shawon Dunston impact and tenure at shortstop, Hendry should be willing.

Castro and Dunston are both black, athletic, and Cubs. Might as well be the same person!

QuoteFor a Chicago team, he's a unique commodity, as anyone who has spent 15 minutes with him would know. He's the perfect piece to have in place as Derrek Lee sails toward free agency.

Would Curtis move to first base if Derrek leaves?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on November 12, 2009, 09:01:17 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 12, 2009, 08:46:50 AM
QuoteFor a Chicago team, he's a unique commodity, as anyone who has spent 15 minutes with him would know. He's the perfect piece to have in place as Derrek Lee sails toward free agency.

Would Curtis move to first base if Derrek leaves?

No.  He would become the token morgan.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 12, 2009, 09:06:51 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 12, 2009, 09:01:17 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 12, 2009, 08:46:50 AM
QuoteFor a Chicago team, he's a unique commodity, as anyone who has spent 15 minutes with him would know. He's the perfect piece to have in place as Derrek Lee sails toward free agency.

Would Curtis move to first base if Derrek leaves?

No.  He would become the token morgan.

And you're our tokin' morgan.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on November 12, 2009, 09:19:38 AM
I'm still trying to figure out whether a "Shawon Dunston-type impact" is a good thing or a bad thing.

And that Derek Jeter comment is just fucking weird.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 12, 2009, 10:00:27 AM
Fontenot gets super 2 status... could this mean we trade him? Jimbo is gonna go nuts for Luis Castillo..

From crazyrumorguy...

"Three players - Mike Fontenot, Adam Jones, and Micah Owings - have exactly two years and 139 days of service time.  According to MLB.com's Rhett Bollinger, only one could be designated a Super Two player, and it will be Fontenot.  It might seem pretty minor, but once you refresh yourself on what Super Two means, check out these ripple effects from the tiebreaker decision...

    * Fontenot is arbitration-eligible now, so the Cubs can't just renew him for $430K.  He's coming off a poor season, but he'll still be more expensive in 2010.  The Cubs are tight on payroll, so you have to wonder if they'll now trade or non-tender Fontenot."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on November 12, 2009, 12:27:32 PM
Christ, Detroit's back-loaded contracts are worse than the Cubs:

QuoteDetroit pays Carlos Guillen's desiccated husk $26 million the next two seasons.  Dontrelle Willis had his contract extended before throwing a pitch in spring training, $12 million.  Jeremy Bonderman has never panned out, $12.5 million.  Nate Robertson, not a certainty to make the major league roster, $10 million.

The Tigers allowed Magglio Ordonez to gurantee his $18 million option for next season.  He can conceivably earn himself a $15 million option for 2011 as well.

Dombrowski has committed $65.5 million next year to five players who could be dead weight.  In coming seasons, that could be a sensible payroll for the Tigers.  If you add Miguel Cabrera's $20 million, that is $85.5 million for six players.  That would leave them just $30 million to pay the rest of the team, and that's assuming they maintain the same payroll.  The only recourse is to trade whomever they can to clear money, which happens to be Curtis Granderson.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=27907 (http://thebiglead.com/?p=27907)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 12, 2009, 12:30:18 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 12, 2009, 12:27:32 PM
Christ, Detroit's back-loaded contracts are worse than the Cubs:

QuoteDetroit pays Carlos Guillen's desiccated husk $26 million the next two seasons.  Dontrelle Willis had his contract extended before throwing a pitch in spring training, $12 million.  Jeremy Bonderman has never panned out, $12.5 million.  Nate Robertson, not a certainty to make the major league roster, $10 million.

The Tigers allowed Magglio Ordonez to gurantee his $18 million option for next season.  He can conceivably earn himself a $15 million option for 2011 as well.

Dombrowski has committed $65.5 million next year to five players who could be dead weight.  In coming seasons, that could be a sensible payroll for the Tigers.  If you add Miguel Cabrera's $20 million, that is $85.5 million for six players.  That would leave them just $30 million to pay the rest of the team, and that's assuming they maintain the same payroll.  The only recourse is to trade whomever they can to clear money, which happens to be Curtis Granderson.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=27907 (http://thebiglead.com/?p=27907)


We get it, you want the cubs to trade for Dontrelle Willis.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on November 12, 2009, 12:37:03 PM
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2009, 12:30:18 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 12, 2009, 12:27:32 PM
Christ, Detroit's back-loaded contracts are worse than the Cubs:

QuoteDetroit pays Carlos Guillen's desiccated husk $26 million the next two seasons.  Dontrelle Willis had his contract extended before throwing a pitch in spring training, $12 million.  Jeremy Bonderman has never panned out, $12.5 million.  Nate Robertson, not a certainty to make the major league roster, $10 million.

The Tigers allowed Magglio Ordonez to gurantee his $18 million option for next season.  He can conceivably earn himself a $15 million option for 2011 as well.

Dombrowski has committed $65.5 million next year to five players who could be dead weight.  In coming seasons, that could be a sensible payroll for the Tigers.  If you add Miguel Cabrera's $20 million, that is $85.5 million for six players.  That would leave them just $30 million to pay the rest of the team, and that's assuming they maintain the same payroll.  The only recourse is to trade whomever they can to clear money, which happens to be Curtis Granderson.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=27907 (http://thebiglead.com/?p=27907)


We get it, you want the cubs to trade for Dontrelle Willis.

There are so many wrongs that need to be righted.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 16, 2009, 04:22:05 PM
Desipio has made the bigtime. Crazy Rumor Guy quotes Andy.

"# Desipio on the Cubs-Curtis Granderson idea: "In the end, this smells like a winter of Brian Roberts and Jake Peavy trade rumors.  One that ends with us talking ourselves into how Marlon Byrd isn't so bad after all." "
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 16, 2009, 06:51:56 PM
Quote from: BH on November 16, 2009, 04:22:05 PM
Desipio has made the bigtime. Crazy Rumor Guy quotes Andy.

"# Desipio on the Cubs-Curtis Granderson idea: "In the end, this smells like a winter of Brian Roberts and Jake Peavy trade rumors.  One that ends with us talking ourselves into how Marlon Byrd isn't so bad after all." "

Did reading through the instructions (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/how-to-use-mlbtr.html) open your eyes like it did mine?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 18, 2009, 11:40:47 AM
Rotoworld  (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=MLB&columnid=2&articleid=34139&pg=2) predicts we get Felipe Lopez (guh, Cubs - two years, $11 million) and Chone Figgins (Cubs - four years, $48 million).


Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on November 18, 2009, 11:44:44 AM
Quote from: BH on November 18, 2009, 11:40:47 AM
Rotoworld  (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=MLB&columnid=2&articleid=34139&pg=2) predicts we get Felipe Lopez (guh, Cubs - two years, $11 million) and Chone Figgins (Cubs - four years, $48 million).




Where does he actually explain why? Because isn't Figgins projected to be the 2B if he signs? Or is this guy pulling it out of his ass? I think he is.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 18, 2009, 11:47:24 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 18, 2009, 11:44:44 AM
Quote from: BH on November 18, 2009, 11:40:47 AM
Rotoworld  (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=MLB&columnid=2&articleid=34139&pg=2) predicts we get Felipe Lopez (guh, Cubs - two years, $11 million) and Chone Figgins (Cubs - four years, $48 million).




Where does he actually explain why? Because isn't Figgins projected to be the 2B if he signs? Or is this guy pulling it out of his ass? I think he is.

Typically, in the offseason a lot of internet sites try to predict who goes to what team.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on November 18, 2009, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: BH on November 18, 2009, 11:47:24 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 18, 2009, 11:44:44 AM
Quote from: BH on November 18, 2009, 11:40:47 AM
Rotoworld  (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=MLB&columnid=2&articleid=34139&pg=2) predicts we get Felipe Lopez (guh, Cubs - two years, $11 million) and Chone Figgins (Cubs - four years, $48 million).




Where does he actually explain why? Because isn't Figgins projected to be the 2B if he signs? Or is this guy pulling it out of his ass? I think he is.

Typically, in the offseason a lot of internet sites try to predict who goes to what team.

True, but if someone's going to make predictions that are credible then he should at least know that a guy he projects to play the OF hasn't even played the position semi-consistently since 2006. I would think he's done with that and possibly won't sign with some team that forces back out into the OF.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 18, 2009, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 18, 2009, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: BH on November 18, 2009, 11:47:24 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 18, 2009, 11:44:44 AM
Quote from: BH on November 18, 2009, 11:40:47 AM
Rotoworld  (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=MLB&columnid=2&articleid=34139&pg=2) predicts we get Felipe Lopez (guh, Cubs - two years, $11 million) and Chone Figgins (Cubs - four years, $48 million).




Where does he actually explain why? Because isn't Figgins projected to be the 2B if he signs? Or is this guy pulling it out of his ass? I think he is.

Typically, in the offseason a lot of internet sites try to predict who goes to what team.

True, but if someone's going to make predictions that are credible then he should at least know that a guy he projects to play the OF hasn't even played the position semi-consistently since 2006. I would think he's done with that and possibly won't sign with some team that forces back out into the OF.

So your projection is that Hendry won't pay top dollar for a 2B to play CF for my KUBBIEZ? If Hendry can get two more 2B this offseason, he's gotta go get them guys. Think about it, we'd have Soriano, Theriot, Figgins and Lopez in our starting roster. No other team starts 4 2B talents. No one. Hendry's dream of having all of the position players played by current/former 2Bs (and the worse hitting position players typically) is that much more complete.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on November 18, 2009, 12:01:03 PM
Quote from: BH on November 18, 2009, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 18, 2009, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: BH on November 18, 2009, 11:47:24 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 18, 2009, 11:44:44 AM
Quote from: BH on November 18, 2009, 11:40:47 AM
Rotoworld  (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=MLB&columnid=2&articleid=34139&pg=2) predicts we get Felipe Lopez (guh, Cubs - two years, $11 million) and Chone Figgins (Cubs - four years, $48 million).




Where does he actually explain why? Because isn't Figgins projected to be the 2B if he signs? Or is this guy pulling it out of his ass? I think he is.

Typically, in the offseason a lot of internet sites try to predict who goes to what team.

True, but if someone's going to make predictions that are credible then he should at least know that a guy he projects to play the OF hasn't even played the position semi-consistently since 2006. I would think he's done with that and possibly won't sign with some team that forces back out into the OF.

So your projection is that Hendry won't pay top dollar for a 2B to play CF for my KUBBIEZ? If Hendry can get two more 2B this offseason, he's gotta go get them guys. Think about it, we'd have Soriano, Theriot, Figgins and Lopez in our starting roster. No other team starts 4 2B talents. No one. Hendry's dream of having all of the position players played by current/former 2B is that much more complete.

BH wins.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on November 18, 2009, 12:09:27 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 18, 2009, 12:01:03 PM
Quote from: BH on November 18, 2009, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 18, 2009, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: BH on November 18, 2009, 11:47:24 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 18, 2009, 11:44:44 AM
Quote from: BH on November 18, 2009, 11:40:47 AM
Rotoworld  (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=MLB&columnid=2&articleid=34139&pg=2) predicts we get Felipe Lopez (guh, Cubs - two years, $11 million) and Chone Figgins (Cubs - four years, $48 million).




Where does he actually explain why? Because isn't Figgins projected to be the 2B if he signs? Or is this guy pulling it out of his ass? I think he is.

Typically, in the offseason a lot of internet sites try to predict who goes to what team.

True, but if someone's going to make predictions that are credible then he should at least know that a guy he projects to play the OF hasn't even played the position semi-consistently since 2006. I would think he's done with that and possibly won't sign with some team that forces back out into the OF.

So your projection is that Hendry won't pay top dollar for a 2B to play CF for my KUBBIEZ? If Hendry can get two more 2B this offseason, he's gotta go get them guys. Think about it, we'd have Soriano, Theriot, Figgins and Lopez in our starting roster. No other team starts 4 2B talents. No one. Hendry's dream of having all of the position players played by current/former 2B is that much more complete.

BH wins.

Yeah, that was a pretty easy to project.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on November 18, 2009, 12:18:52 PM
Not only that, but do the Cubs even have $12MM (Figgins) + $5.5 MM (Lopez) to give these players?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Richard Chuggar on November 18, 2009, 12:36:13 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 18, 2009, 12:18:52 PM
Not only that, but do the Cubs even have $12MM (Figgins) + $5.5 MM (Lopez) to give these players?

If only Al Gore had invented a way to look stuff like this up.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on November 18, 2009, 12:39:08 PM
Someone with more free time than me today can run the exact numbers, but
in general the Cubs payroll is pretty much unchanged from last year.  So, it's
not like there's any cash freeing up from contracts.  That said, what the Cubs
can afford to pay out is entirely up to the owners.  I personally think they'll
be <$140 going into opening day (and they'd try and be less if they had any
real flexibility down), but theoretically they could add whatever contracts they
wanted to.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on November 18, 2009, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: Pre on November 18, 2009, 12:39:08 PM
Someone with more free time than me today can run the exact numbers, but
in general the Cubs payroll is pretty much unchanged from last year.  So, it's
not like there's any cash freeing up from contracts.  That said, what the Cubs
can afford to pay out is entirely up to the owners.  I personally think they'll
be <$140 going into opening day (and they'd try and be less if they had any
real flexibility down), but theoretically they could add whatever contracts they
wanted to.

Shawn Goldman (both ACB and BCB contributer) had this to say about "if" the Cubs basically kept the same roster. (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/11/17/1160906/building-a-spreadsheet-champion)

QuoteLet's start with the 2009 roster. The Cubs have already committed ~$122,658,333 to 10 players from 2009 plus Luis Vizciano: Alfonso Soriano, Carlos Zambrano, Aramis Ramirez, Kosuke Fukudome, Ryan Dempster, Derrek Lee, Ted Lilly, Milton Bradley, Jeff Samardzija, and Aaron Miles. Al projected a total of $10,175,000 in payouts to the following 12 players: Geovany Soto, Koyie Hill, Jeff Baker, Ryan Theriot, Andres Blanco, Sam Fuld, Jake Fox, John Grabow, Carlos Marmol, Angel Guzman, Randy Wells, and Sean Marshall. Fontenot made $430,000 in 2009 so let's say he makes an even $500,000 in 2010. Heilman made $1,625,000 in 2009. Since these guys usually get raises, he'll probably make around $1,750,000 in 2010. Finally, there's Rich Harden. Most of the estimates I've seen have him getting awarded something in the neighborhood of $10M by arbiters. If you add it all up, that's a total team salary of... $144,958,333. That's our budgeted payroll for 2010. Now, let's continue down this path and see how good we can expect the Cubs to be if they trot out the 2009 team again in 2010.

(That was only plan A, btw)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on November 18, 2009, 10:31:06 PM
He uses Al Yellon's projection for the renewals/arbitration guys and refers to the payroll as "our payroll" so he's a double douche.

It's only "our" payroll if were paying it or getting paid by it.  It's definitely "their" payroll.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BC on November 18, 2009, 10:54:35 PM
Quote from: Andy on November 18, 2009, 10:31:06 PM
It's only "our" payroll if were paying it or getting paid by it.  It's definitely "their" payroll.

With Aaron Fucking Miles on that payroll, he probably just assumed that all no-talent hacks could be included on the payroll of the Chicago Cubs.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on November 19, 2009, 09:50:30 AM
QuoteFree agent pitcher John Grabow and the Chicago Cubs are close to agreeing on a two-year contract worth nearly $7.5 million for the left-handed pitcher.
Link. (http://espn.go.com/chicago/columns/blog/_/post/4668907/name/levine)

According to Gordo's Twitter, it's now official.

$7.5 million for a mediocre middle reliever?  Nice choice, Jim.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on November 19, 2009, 11:11:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 19, 2009, 09:50:30 AM
QuoteFree agent pitcher John Grabow and the Chicago Cubs are close to agreeing on a two-year contract worth nearly $7.5 million for the left-handed pitcher.
Link. (http://espn.go.com/chicago/columns/blog/_/post/4668907/name/levine)

According to Gordo's Twitter, it's now official.

$7.5 million for a mediocre middle reliever?  Nice choice, Jim.

I thought they were broke.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 19, 2009, 11:40:06 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 19, 2009, 11:11:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 19, 2009, 09:50:30 AM
QuoteFree agent pitcher John Grabow and the Chicago Cubs are close to agreeing on a two-year contract worth nearly $7.5 million for the left-handed pitcher.
Link. (http://espn.go.com/chicago/columns/blog/_/post/4668907/name/levine)

According to Gordo's Twitter, it's now official.

$7.5 million for a mediocre middle reliever?  Nice choice, Jim.

I thought they were broke.

According to Fangraphs  (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/john-grabow-gets-paid/)it's a waste of cash.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on November 19, 2009, 01:05:26 PM
Quote from: BH on November 19, 2009, 11:40:06 AM
According to Fangraphs  (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/john-grabow-gets-paid/)it's a waste of cash.

Forget fangraphs, this is a waste of cash in the According to Jim range.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on November 19, 2009, 01:29:11 PM
Is this the part of the thread where Oleg defends Jim Hendry?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on November 19, 2009, 01:36:22 PM
This is the part where I post that I thought Grabow was pretty decent and that there weren't very many other left-handed options in the organization. So why not re-sign Grabow? Because Marshall's good? But I think they should possibly trade Marshall.

Please help!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on November 19, 2009, 01:37:03 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 19, 2009, 01:29:11 PM
Is this the part of the thread where Oleg defends Jim Hendry?

Can we skip to the part where Tom Ricketts et al defend Jim Hendry?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on November 19, 2009, 02:14:20 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 19, 2009, 01:29:11 PM
Is this the part of the thread where Oleg defends Jim Hendry?

3.75MM for 40 IP of specialty bullpen work?  Fuck Hendry...
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on November 19, 2009, 02:26:56 PM
Quote from: Pre on November 19, 2009, 01:05:26 PM
Quote from: BH on November 19, 2009, 11:40:06 AM
According to Fangraphs  (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/john-grabow-gets-paid/)it's a waste of cash.

Forget fangraphs, this is a waste of cash in the According to Jim range.

I smell another hilarious Kurt Evans Photoshop in there someplace.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 19, 2009, 04:01:33 PM
"The Diamondbacks acquired Aaron Heilman from the Cubs, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com. Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports says the Cubs obtained minor  leaguers Scott Maine and Ryne White in return.

Tim listed Heilman as a non-tender candidate last month, so it's not a surprise that the Cubs were willing to part with the 31-year-old righty. He pitched to a 4.11 ERA in 72.1 innings with the Cubs last year, allowing 68 hits and 34 walks, while striking out 65.

Heilman has started before, but GM Josh Byrnes suggests to the Arizona Republic that the D'Backs see him as a reliever."

CrazyRumorGuy
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 19, 2009, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: BH on November 19, 2009, 04:01:33 PM
"The Diamondbacks acquired Aaron Heilman from the Cubs, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com. Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports says the Cubs obtained minor  leaguers Scott Maine and Ryne White in return.

Tim listed Heilman as a non-tender candidate last month, so it's not a surprise that the Cubs were willing to part with the 31-year-old righty. He pitched to a 4.11 ERA in 72.1 innings with the Cubs last year, allowing 68 hits and 34 walks, while striking out 65.

Heilman has started before, but GM Josh Byrnes suggests to the Arizona Republic that the D'Backs see him as a reliever."

CrazyRumorGuy

Let's meet the future Cubs SAVIORS.  Ignore this post if you only concern yourself with the major league roster and have already learned there's no use in paying attention to this team's "prospects".

Ryne White
(http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/pur/sports/m-basebl/auto_headshot/1695120.jpeg)
Stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=white-001ryn)
Hometown: Chicago, Ill.
College: Purdue
Position: 1B
Besides a .371 OBP, not very exciting seeing he's a first baseman with no power (13 HR in 186 career games).  Also saw time in LF, RF, and DH this season.  Given he's from Chicago and his name is Ryne, he (or his parents) probably grew up a Cubs fan.  Yay?

Scott Maine
(http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/mifl/sports/m-basebl/auto_headshot/915818.jpeg)
Stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=maine-001sco)
Hometown: Palm Beach Gardens, Fla.
College: Miami
Position: LHP
Posted a 2.90 ERA in 48 appearances this year, mostly at Double-A, walking slightly more than 3 per nine innings and striking out 8.9 per nine.  Has produced a career K-rate of 10 per nine.  Mark Pawelek-like body at 6'3, 195.  He struck out 9.2 per 9 in Triple-A, but it was only 15 innings.  Maine alone would probably have been enough for this deal.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on November 19, 2009, 04:31:36 PM
Remember the Maine!

Who cares if they are any good?  They are not Aaron Heilman, so they are an improvement.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 19, 2009, 04:33:24 PM
Maine has a bit of an injury history:

QuoteAt Miami
Named to the 2007 Roger Clemens Award Preseason Watch List ... ended the 2006 season as UM's leader in wins and innings pitched despite missing the first 10 games due to injury ... went 12-3 with a 4.57 ERA and one complete game ... will compete for the No. 1 spot in the rotation in 2007... has command of four pitches ... live arm who is expected to go very high in the 2007 draft ... a lot of movement on his fastball ... fields his position well and is tough to run on because he is so quick to the plate ... wore a protective mask while pitching for most of the 2006 season ... selected to the Cape Cod League Eastern All-Star Team in 2006 after going 3-1 with a 1.80 ERA in 25.0 innings ... selected in the 23rd round of the 2006 MLB Draft by the Colorado Rockies but elected to return to school ... was not enrolled in school in the fall 2005 semester while recovering from a head injury suffered in automobile accident during the summer ... steadily improved throughout his seven appearances in 2005 ... had a great 2005 summer in the Clark Griffith League in Maryland, going 1-1 with a 1.65 ERA and 39 strikeouts in 27.1 innings for the Herndon Braves ... missed the 2004 season after undergoing Tommy John surgery in January ... considered by the Miami coaching staff to be one of the best prospects to come to school during head coach Jim Morris' time in Coral Gables ... Baseball America's No. 7 prospect coming out of high school in 2003 ... he elected to come to school after being selected in the 15th round of the 2003 MLB Draft by the Seattle Mariners.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 19, 2009, 04:34:02 PM
Quote from: Andy on November 19, 2009, 04:31:36 PM
Remember the Maine!

Who cares if they are any good?  They are not Aaron Heilman, so they are an improvement.



Good point.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on November 19, 2009, 04:34:59 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 19, 2009, 04:33:24 PM
Maine has a bit of an injury history:

QuoteAt Miami
Named to the 2007 Roger Clemens Award Preseason Watch List ... ended the 2006 season as UM's leader in wins and innings pitched despite missing the first 10 games due to injury ... went 12-3 with a 4.57 ERA and one complete game ... will compete for the No. 1 spot in the rotation in 2007... has command of four pitches ... live arm who is expected to go very high in the 2007 draft ... a lot of movement on his fastball ... fields his position well and is tough to run on because he is so quick to the plate ... wore a protective mask while pitching for most of the 2006 season ... selected to the Cape Cod League Eastern All-Star Team in 2006 after going 3-1 with a 1.80 ERA in 25.0 innings ... selected in the 23rd round of the 2006 MLB Draft by the Colorado Rockies but elected to return to school ... was not enrolled in school in the fall 2005 semester while recovering from a head injury suffered in automobile accident during the summer ... steadily improved throughout his seven appearances in 2005 ... had a great 2005 summer in the Clark Griffith League in Maryland, going 1-1 with a 1.65 ERA and 39 strikeouts in 27.1 innings for the Herndon Braves ... missed the 2004 season after undergoing Tommy John surgery in January ... considered by the Miami coaching staff to be one of the best prospects to come to school during head coach Jim Morris' time in Coral Gables ... Baseball America's No. 7 prospect coming out of high school in 2003 ... he elected to come to school after being selected in the 15th round of the 2003 MLB Draft by the Seattle Mariners.

So he's already had the Tommy John surgery. That's gotta go in the plus column? Right?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Waco Kid on November 19, 2009, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 19, 2009, 04:33:24 PM
Maine has a bit of an injury history:

Quotemissed the 2004 season after undergoing Tommy John surgery in January quote]

And there is the clincher for Jim Hendry,
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on November 19, 2009, 05:57:11 PM
So Ryne White must be a Cubs fan because his name is Ryne? Since when do infants get to pick their own names?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 19, 2009, 06:46:52 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 19, 2009, 05:57:11 PM
So Ryne White must be a Cubs fan because his name is Ryne? Since when do infants get to pick their own names?

That's true, you're not an Orioles fan, despite being named after Andy Etchebarren.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 19, 2009, 07:17:01 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 19, 2009, 05:57:11 PM
So Ryne White must be a Cubs fan because his name is Ryne? Since when do infants get to pick their own names?

Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 19, 2009, 04:21:50 PM
Given he's from Chicago and his name is Ryne, he (or his parents) probably grew up a Cubs fan.  Yay?

At least Sandberg is a Hall-of-Famer.  If my parents named me after someone like Manny Alexander I'd probably root for the Cardinals, or hate baseball altogether.

Slak, you ignorant slut.  I mentioned his parents and said it was possible.  I did not say he picked his name.  <GOB Bluth>COME on.</GOB Bluth>
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 19, 2009, 07:47:00 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 19, 2009, 07:17:01 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 19, 2009, 05:57:11 PM
So Ryne White must be a Cubs fan because his name is Ryne? Since when do infants get to pick their own names?

Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 19, 2009, 04:21:50 PM
Given he's from Chicago and his name is Ryne, he (or his parents) probably grew up a Cubs fan.  Yay?

At least Sandberg is a Hall-of-Famer.  If my parents named me after someone like Manny Alexander I'd probably root for the Cardinals, or hate baseball altogether.

Slak, you ignorant slut.  I mentioned his parents and said it was possible.  I did not say he picked his name.  <GOB Bluth>COME on.</GOB Bluth>

Sandberg was named for Ryne Duren, I heard once.

Duren was Nuke Laloosh's dad.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: powen01 on November 20, 2009, 12:40:29 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 19, 2009, 05:57:11 PM
So Ryne White must be a Cubs fan because his name is Ryne? Since when do infants get to pick their own names?

Maybe his parents are fans of the Cubs and AIDS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_White)?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on November 20, 2009, 01:13:00 AM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 19, 2009, 04:21:50 PM
Scott Maine
(http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/mifl/sports/m-basebl/auto_headshot/915818.jpeg)
Stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=maine-001sco)
Hometown: Palm Beach Gardens, Fla.
College: Miami
Position: LHP
Posted a 2.90 ERA in 48 appearances this year, mostly at Double-A, walking slightly more than 3 per nine innings and striking out 8.9 per nine.  Has produced a career K-rate of 10 per nine.  Mark Pawelek-like body at 6'3, 195.  He struck out 9.2 per 9 in Triple-A, but it was only 15 innings.  Maine alone would probably have been enough for this deal.

How can we be sure this guy isn't just Neal Cotts trying to sneak back in under our internet radar?

(http://i46.tinypic.com/21d3d4x.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on November 20, 2009, 07:01:18 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on November 20, 2009, 01:13:00 AM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 19, 2009, 04:21:50 PM
Scott Maine
(http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/mifl/sports/m-basebl/auto_headshot/915818.jpeg)
Stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=maine-001sco)
Hometown: Palm Beach Gardens, Fla.
College: Miami
Position: LHP
Posted a 2.90 ERA in 48 appearances this year, mostly at Double-A, walking slightly more than 3 per nine innings and striking out 8.9 per nine.  Has produced a career K-rate of 10 per nine.  Mark Pawelek-like body at 6'3, 195.  He struck out 9.2 per 9 in Triple-A, but it was only 15 innings.  Maine alone would probably have been enough for this deal.

How can we be sure this guy isn't just Neal Cotts trying to sneak back in under our internet radar?

(http://i46.tinypic.com/21d3d4x.jpg)

The Pensky-Martens closed cup test?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on November 20, 2009, 08:46:18 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on November 20, 2009, 01:13:00 AM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 19, 2009, 04:21:50 PM
Scott Maine
(http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/mifl/sports/m-basebl/auto_headshot/915818.jpeg)
Stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=maine-001sco)
Hometown: Palm Beach Gardens, Fla.
College: Miami
Position: LHP
Posted a 2.90 ERA in 48 appearances this year, mostly at Double-A, walking slightly more than 3 per nine innings and striking out 8.9 per nine.  Has produced a career K-rate of 10 per nine.  Mark Pawelek-like body at 6'3, 195.  He struck out 9.2 per 9 in Triple-A, but it was only 15 innings.  Maine alone would probably have been enough for this deal.

How can we be sure this guy isn't just Neal Cotts trying to sneak back in under our internet radar?

(http://i46.tinypic.com/21d3d4x.jpg)

Maine has two eyebrows.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 20, 2009, 09:33:49 AM
The yanks are talking about dumping Chien Ming Wang. I'd take a chance on that guy.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ivy6 on November 20, 2009, 11:51:23 AM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 09:33:49 AM
The yanks are talking about dumping Chien Ming Wang. I'd take a chance on that guy.

I hope you mean to do your taxes or something and not pitching for the Cubs.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on November 20, 2009, 11:53:09 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on November 20, 2009, 11:51:23 AM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 09:33:49 AM
The yanks are talking about dumping Chien Ming Wang. I'd take a chance on that guy.

I hope you mean to do your taxes or something and not pitching for the Cubs.

He meant he'd date him, if Chien was interested. I don't think he likes fat guys, though.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on November 20, 2009, 12:01:15 PM
But Wang won like 19 games a couple years back! Gotta get that guy! He's a winner!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on November 20, 2009, 01:40:27 PM
He broke his foot Mike Brown style a couple of years ago running from second to third in a game in Houston. 

I have nothing else to add.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 20, 2009, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 20, 2009, 12:01:15 PM
But Wang won like 19 games a couple years back! Gotta get that guy! He's a winner!

He won 19 games in 2006 and 2007 with eras of 3.63 and 3.70. Not exactly Jason Marquis.
But you're probably right, Jeff Samardzija is a much better option.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ivy6 on November 20, 2009, 01:52:03 PM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 20, 2009, 12:01:15 PM
But Wang won like 19 games a couple years back! Gotta get that guy! He's a winner!

He won 19 games in 2006 and 2007 with eras of 3.63 and 3.70. Not exactly Jason Marquis.
But you're probably right, Jeff Samardzija is a much better option.

Those numbers are definitely consistent for a guy with a K/BB of 1.6.  Especially with the Cub defense behind him.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on November 20, 2009, 02:05:29 PM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 20, 2009, 12:01:15 PM
But Wang won like 19 games a couple years back! Gotta get that guy! He's a winner!

He won 19 games in 2006 and 2007 with eras of 3.63 and 3.70. Not exactly Jason Marquis.
But you're probably right, Jeff Samardzija is a much better option.

I don't think there's a reasonable scenario in which Samardzija is in the rotation next year, is there?

IS THERE!?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on November 20, 2009, 02:06:24 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 20, 2009, 02:05:29 PM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 20, 2009, 12:01:15 PM
But Wang won like 19 games a couple years back! Gotta get that guy! He's a winner!

He won 19 games in 2006 and 2007 with eras of 3.63 and 3.70. Not exactly Jason Marquis.
But you're probably right, Jeff Samardzija is a much better option.

I don't think there's a reasonable scenario in which Samardzija is in the rotation next year, is there?

IS THERE!?

Reasonable scenario?  Don't place your restrictions on ME, man.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on November 20, 2009, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 20, 2009, 02:05:29 PM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 20, 2009, 12:01:15 PM
But Wang won like 19 games a couple years back! Gotta get that guy! He's a winner!

He won 19 games in 2006 and 2007 with eras of 3.63 and 3.70. Not exactly Jason Marquis.
But you're probably right, Jeff Samardzija is a much better option.

I don't think there's a reasonable scenario in which Samardzija is in the rotation next year, is there?

IS THERE!?

Stop being such a downer, Kerm. Just let BH play with his Jeff Samardzija Strawman Doll in peace. He spent hours sewing those miniature bib overalls.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on November 20, 2009, 02:12:24 PM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 20, 2009, 12:01:15 PM
But Wang won like 19 games a couple years back! Gotta get that guy! He's a winner!

He won 19 games in 2006 and 2007 with eras of 3.63 and 3.70. Not exactly Jason Marquis.
But you're probably right, Jeff Samardzija is a much better option.
Intrepid Reader David Kaplan: He won 19.  He's better than Zambrano.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 20, 2009, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 20, 2009, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 20, 2009, 02:05:29 PM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 20, 2009, 12:01:15 PM
But Wang won like 19 games a couple years back! Gotta get that guy! He's a winner!

He won 19 games in 2006 and 2007 with eras of 3.63 and 3.70. Not exactly Jason Marquis.
But you're probably right, Jeff Samardzija is a much better option.

I don't think there's a reasonable scenario in which Samardzija is in the rotation next year, is there?

IS THERE!?

Stop being such a downer, Kerm. Just let BH play with his Jeff Samardzija Strawman Doll in peace. He spent hours sewing those miniature bib overalls.

RV, we used to be so close.

http://nwitimes.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_7647edc9-7080-5bd5-b752-94301829a860.html

"Jeff Samardzija solidified his bid for a starting rotation job next spring after his performance in the Mexican Fall League impressed Cubs management."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on November 20, 2009, 02:28:45 PM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 20, 2009, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 20, 2009, 02:05:29 PM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 20, 2009, 12:01:15 PM
But Wang won like 19 games a couple years back! Gotta get that guy! He's a winner!

He won 19 games in 2006 and 2007 with eras of 3.63 and 3.70. Not exactly Jason Marquis.
But you're probably right, Jeff Samardzija is a much better option.

I don't think there's a reasonable scenario in which Samardzija is in the rotation next year, is there?

IS THERE!?

Stop being such a downer, Kerm. Just let BH play with his Jeff Samardzija Strawman Doll in peace. He spent hours sewing those miniature bib overalls.

RV, we used to be so close.

http://nwitimes.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_7647edc9-7080-5bd5-b752-94301829a860.html

"Jeff Samardzija solidified his bid for a starting rotation job next spring after his performance in the Mexican Fall League impressed Cubs management."

Well, shit. That article is as depressing as the area of Indiana that published it.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MidgetSellingWater on November 20, 2009, 02:31:33 PM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 20, 2009, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 20, 2009, 02:05:29 PM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 20, 2009, 12:01:15 PM
But Wang won like 19 games a couple years back! Gotta get that guy! He's a winner!

He won 19 games in 2006 and 2007 with eras of 3.63 and 3.70. Not exactly Jason Marquis.
But you're probably right, Jeff Samardzija is a much better option.

I don't think there's a reasonable scenario in which Samardzija is in the rotation next year, is there?

IS THERE!?

Stop being such a downer, Kerm. Just let BH play with his Jeff Samardzija Strawman Doll in peace. He spent hours sewing those miniature bib overalls.

RV, we used to be so close.

http://nwitimes.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_7647edc9-7080-5bd5-b752-94301829a860.html

"Jeff Samardzija solidified his bid for a starting rotation job next spring after his performance in the Mexican Fall League impressed Cubs management."

Intrepid Reader: Bob Griese

Well, how hard could it be to pitch to a bunch of guys with greasy taco hands?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 20, 2009, 04:35:30 PM
More crazy rumor guy. And Oleg's girl.

"The Blue Jays want to move Roy Halladay this offseason and have contacted the Cubs about a potential trade, according to MLB.com's Carrie Muskat. However, it's unlcear if the Cubs have room for another $15.75MM in payroll. Plus, they'd have to be willing to part with top prospects, such as shortstop Starlin Castro, to obtain the Jays' ace."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on November 20, 2009, 05:02:33 PM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 04:35:30 PM
More crazy rumor guy. And Oleg's girl.

"The Blue Jays want to move Roy Halladay this offseason and have contacted the Cubs about a potential trade, according to MLB.com's Carrie Muskat. However, it's unlcear if the Cubs have room for another $15.75MM in payroll. Plus, they'd have to be willing to part with top prospects, such as shortstop Starlin Castro, to obtain the Jays' ace."

You're jealous.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on November 20, 2009, 05:31:55 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2009, 05:02:33 PM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 04:35:30 PM
More crazy rumor guy. And Oleg's girl.

"The Blue Jays want to move Roy Halladay this offseason and have contacted the Cubs about a potential trade, according to MLB.com's Carrie Muskat. However, it's unlcear if the Cubs have room for another $15.75MM in payroll. Plus, they'd have to be willing to part with top prospects, such as shortstop Starlin Castro, to obtain the Jays' ace."

You're jealous.

There couldn't possibly be less story here.
The Blue Jays are trying to trade their best player, so they're calling all the teams.
The Cubs have limited extra funds, so it's unlikely.

Nice reporting, CRG.

Oleg and the Muskrat is fairly interesting though.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Brownie on November 20, 2009, 06:27:37 PM
Hendry traded Muskrat to Oleg for a dimebag? Maybe Jimbo's best trade yet.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on November 20, 2009, 06:45:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 20, 2009, 05:31:55 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2009, 05:02:33 PM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 04:35:30 PM
More crazy rumor guy. And Oleg's girl.

"The Blue Jays want to move Roy Halladay this offseason and have contacted the Cubs about a potential trade, according to MLB.com's Carrie Muskat. However, it's unlcear if the Cubs have room for another $15.75MM in payroll. Plus, they'd have to be willing to part with top prospects, such as shortstop Starlin Castro, to obtain the Jays' ace."

You're jealous.

There couldn't possibly be less story here.
The Blue Jays are trying to trade their best player, so they're calling all the teams.
The Cubs have limited extra funds, so it's unlikely.

Nice reporting, CRG.

Oleg and the Muskrat is fairly interesting though.

Vernon Wells and Roy Halladay for Milton Bradley, Starlin Castro, Jake Fox, and Josh Vitters. Make it happen, Jim
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on November 20, 2009, 08:59:32 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 20, 2009, 06:45:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 20, 2009, 05:31:55 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2009, 05:02:33 PM
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2009, 04:35:30 PM
More crazy rumor guy. And Oleg's girl.

"The Blue Jays want to move Roy Halladay this offseason and have contacted the Cubs about a potential trade, according to MLB.com's Carrie Muskat. However, it's unlcear if the Cubs have room for another $15.75MM in payroll. Plus, they'd have to be willing to part with top prospects, such as shortstop Starlin Castro, to obtain the Jays' ace."

You're jealous.

There couldn't possibly be less story here.
The Blue Jays are trying to trade their best player, so they're calling all the teams.
The Cubs have limited extra funds, so it's unlikely.

Nice reporting, CRG.

Oleg and the Muskrat is fairly interesting though.

Vernon Wells and Roy Halladay for Milton Bradley, Starlin Castro, Jake Fox, and Josh Vitters. Make it happen, Jim

It's not worth it if they have to take on Wells' contract.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on November 20, 2009, 10:27:20 PM
Granderson.  Castillo.  Wells. Halladay.   Why do I have this nagging feeling that Hendry is sitting in his dark office (with the shades drawn)  and is starting all of these rumors so he can read the boards and the blogs as his research?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on November 21, 2009, 11:09:37 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 20, 2009, 06:27:37 PM
Hendry traded Muskrat to Oleg for a dimebag? Maybe Jimbo's best trade yet.

DFA'd already.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on November 21, 2009, 11:56:15 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 21, 2009, 11:09:37 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 20, 2009, 06:27:37 PM
Hendry traded Muskrat to Oleg for a dimebag? Maybe Jimbo's best trade yet.

DFA'd already.

Who's DFA'd?  Muskat or the herb?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on November 21, 2009, 12:17:55 PM
Quote from: MAD on November 21, 2009, 11:56:15 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 21, 2009, 11:09:37 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 20, 2009, 06:27:37 PM
Hendry traded Muskrat to Oleg for a dimebag? Maybe Jimbo's best trade yet.

DFA'd already.

Who's DFA'd?  Muskat or the herb?

Huey needs clarification on this imaginary transaction!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on November 21, 2009, 12:25:49 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 21, 2009, 12:17:55 PM
Quote from: MAD on November 21, 2009, 11:56:15 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 21, 2009, 11:09:37 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 20, 2009, 06:27:37 PM
Hendry traded Muskrat to Oleg for a dimebag? Maybe Jimbo's best trade yet.

DFA'd already.

Who's DFA'd?  Muskat or the herb?

Huey needs clarification on this imaginary transaction!

Grabow's contract leads me to believe Hendry already smoked all the weed.

I think it might have been the 3rd option, Oleg might not have been able
to tame the Muskbag.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on November 21, 2009, 12:50:36 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 21, 2009, 12:17:55 PM
Quote from: MAD on November 21, 2009, 11:56:15 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 21, 2009, 11:09:37 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 20, 2009, 06:27:37 PM
Hendry traded Muskrat to Oleg for a dimebag? Maybe Jimbo's best trade yet.

DFA'd already.

Who's DFA'd?  Muskat or the herb?

Huey needs clarification on this imaginary transaction!

Uh, yeeeahhh.

I was just trying to make a joke. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on November 21, 2009, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: Pre on November 21, 2009, 12:25:49 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 21, 2009, 12:17:55 PM
Quote from: MAD on November 21, 2009, 11:56:15 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 21, 2009, 11:09:37 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 20, 2009, 06:27:37 PM
Hendry traded Muskrat to Oleg for a dimebag? Maybe Jimbo's best trade yet.

DFA'd already.

Who's DFA'd?  Muskat or the herb?

Huey needs clarification on this imaginary transaction!

Grabow's contract leads me to believe Hendry already smoked all the weed.

I think it might have been the 3rd option, Oleg might not have been able
to tame the Muskbag.

Thanks, Pre.  At least SOMEBODY "gets it".
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 24, 2009, 01:57:32 PM
Donuts just got a boner. Jose Lopez, Felipe Lopez and possibly Luis Castillo? kaBOOM

"Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times believes the Mariners will try to deal second baseman Jose Lopez this offseason.
The M's value things like on-base percentage and defense, and Lopez isn't particularly strong in either fields. With infield prospect Dustin Ackley on the way, the club can trade Lopez now, while his value is highest, and find a one or two-year solution to fill the hole. The 25-year-old hit .272/.303/.463 this past season with 25 home runs, 42 doubles and 96 RBI.
Source: Seattle Times "
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on November 24, 2009, 02:08:47 PM
Quote from: BH on November 24, 2009, 01:57:32 PM
Donuts just got a boner. Jose Lopez, Felipe Lopez and possibly Luis Castillo? kaBOOM

"Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times believes the Mariners will try to deal second baseman Jose Lopez this offseason.
The M's value things like on-base percentage and defense, and Lopez isn't particularly strong in either fields. With infield prospect Dustin Ackley on the way, the club can trade Lopez now, while his value is highest, and find a one or two-year solution to fill the hole. The 25-year-old hit .272/.303/.463 this past season with 25 home runs, 42 doubles and 96 RBI.
Source: Seattle Times "

What's the over/under on days until Sullivan writes an article making up a Milton Bradley trade that includes getting those 2 (J. Lopez and Castillo)? 1 or 2?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Richard Chuggar on November 24, 2009, 02:43:38 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 24, 2009, 02:08:47 PM
Quote from: BH on November 24, 2009, 01:57:32 PM
Donuts just got a boner. Jose Lopez, Felipe Lopez and possibly Luis Castillo? kaBOOM

"Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times believes the Mariners will try to deal second baseman Jose Lopez this offseason.
The M's value things like on-base percentage and defense, and Lopez isn't particularly strong in either fields. With infield prospect Dustin Ackley on the way, the club can trade Lopez now, while his value is highest, and find a one or two-year solution to fill the hole. The 25-year-old hit .272/.303/.463 this past season with 25 home runs, 42 doubles and 96 RBI.
Source: Seattle Times "

What's the over/under on days until Sullivan writes an article making up a Milton Bradley trade that includes getting those 2 (J. Lopez and Castillo)? 1 or 2?

Zero.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on November 24, 2009, 02:47:14 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on November 24, 2009, 02:43:38 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 24, 2009, 02:08:47 PM
Quote from: BH on November 24, 2009, 01:57:32 PM
Donuts just got a boner. Jose Lopez, Felipe Lopez and possibly Luis Castillo? kaBOOM

"Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times believes the Mariners will try to deal second baseman Jose Lopez this offseason.
The M's value things like on-base percentage and defense, and Lopez isn't particularly strong in either fields. With infield prospect Dustin Ackley on the way, the club can trade Lopez now, while his value is highest, and find a one or two-year solution to fill the hole. The 25-year-old hit .272/.303/.463 this past season with 25 home runs, 42 doubles and 96 RBI.
Source: Seattle Times "

What's the over/under on days until Sullivan writes an article making up a Milton Bradley trade that includes getting those 2 (J. Lopez and Castillo)? 1 or 2?

Zero.

Good post.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on November 25, 2009, 10:15:46 AM
Quote from: BH on November 24, 2009, 01:57:32 PM
Donuts just got a boner. Jose Lopez, Felipe Lopez and possibly Luis Castillo? kaBOOM

"Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times believes the Mariners will try to deal second baseman Jose Lopez this offseason.
The M's value things like on-base percentage and defense, and Lopez isn't particularly strong in either fields. With infield prospect Dustin Ackley on the way, the club can trade Lopez now, while his value is highest, and find a one or two-year solution to fill the hole. The 25-year-old hit .272/.303/.463 this past season with 25 home runs, 42 doubles and 96 RBI.
Source: Seattle Times "

Geoff Baker seems to get his writing styles from Chicago: make shit up (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/jose-lopez-likely-staying-put-in-seattle.html)

QuoteThe Seattle Mariners appear ready to head into 2010 with Jose Lopez as their starting second baseman, according to Larry LaRue of The News Tribune.

The Mariners considered Lopez, who turned 26 yesterday, one of their few trade chips heading into the offseason, but they've received very little interest. Although Lopez is still young and provides power from second base (25 homers last season), his 2009 OBP was exactly in line with his subpar career rate of .303. LaRue also notes that "other teams have seen his lack of range and quickness in the field," though Fangraphs is more forgiving of Lopez's defense (+1.5 UZR/150).

With Lopez virtually "untradeable" and the team unlikely to acquire a better alternative, it looks like the 26-year-old will return to Seattle as their everyday second baseman next year.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on November 27, 2009, 08:44:13 AM
QuoteThe Cubs have told current starting shortstop Ryan Theriot to begin preparing for a move to second base.
The Northsiders believe 19-year-old shortstop Starlin Castro is on a "fast track" to the big leagues. He has already been invited to spring training and has an outside chance of cracking the Opening Day roster in 2010. "Ryan feels like if he has to change positions and move to second base, he would have no problems," general manager Jim Hendry said Thursday. "He has made it no secret he loves the Cubs and wants to stay."

It's about fucking time!

Although, hopefully he's moving to second base so we can trade Starlin Castro for Hanley Ramirez straight up.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on November 27, 2009, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: Weebs on November 27, 2009, 08:44:13 AM
QuoteThe Cubs have told current starting shortstop Ryan Theriot to begin preparing for a move to second base.
The Northsiders believe 19-year-old shortstop Starlin Castro is on a "fast track" to the big leagues. He has already been invited to spring training and has an outside chance of cracking the Opening Day roster in 2010. "Ryan feels like if he has to change positions and move to second base, he would have no problems," general manager Jim Hendry said Thursday. "He has made it no secret he loves the Cubs and wants to stay."

It's about fucking time!

Although, hopefully he's moving to second base so we can trade Starlin Castro for Hanley Ramirez straight up.

What becomes of Jeff Baker then?  I mean, I don't think he's a world-beater, but I'd be interested in seeing what he can do over a full season; his second half stats were pretty decent.

.305 .362 .448 4HRs, 21RBIs.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on November 27, 2009, 11:31:19 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on November 27, 2009, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: Weebs on November 27, 2009, 08:44:13 AM
QuoteThe Cubs have told current starting shortstop Ryan Theriot to begin preparing for a move to second base.
The Northsiders believe 19-year-old shortstop Starlin Castro is on a "fast track" to the big leagues. He has already been invited to spring training and has an outside chance of cracking the Opening Day roster in 2010. "Ryan feels like if he has to change positions and move to second base, he would have no problems," general manager Jim Hendry said Thursday. "He has made it no secret he loves the Cubs and wants to stay."

It's about fucking time!

Although, hopefully he's moving to second base so we can trade Starlin Castro for Hanley Ramirez straight up.

What becomes of Jeff Baker then?  I mean, I don't think he's a world-beater, but I'd be interested in seeing what he can do over a full season; his second half stats were pretty decent.

.305 .362 .448 4HRs, 21RBIs.

He'll play at least 100 games at 3B when Aramis goes down.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on November 27, 2009, 11:34:08 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on November 27, 2009, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: Weebs on November 27, 2009, 08:44:13 AM
QuoteThe Cubs have told current starting shortstop Ryan Theriot to begin preparing for a move to second base.
The Northsiders believe 19-year-old shortstop Starlin Castro is on a "fast track" to the big leagues. He has already been invited to spring training and has an outside chance of cracking the Opening Day roster in 2010. "Ryan feels like if he has to change positions and move to second base, he would have no problems," general manager Jim Hendry said Thursday. "He has made it no secret he loves the Cubs and wants to stay."

It's about fucking time!

Although, hopefully he's moving to second base so we can trade Starlin Castro for Hanley Ramirez straight up.

What becomes of Jeff Baker then?  I mean, I don't think he's a world-beater, but I'd be interested in seeing what he can do over a full season; his second half stats were pretty decent.

.305 .362 .448 4HRs, 21RBIs.

He'll be a nice piece as a back up infielder - but this Starlin Castro guy smells like Ty Griffin. Did he slay a dragon or something? He's a legend and no one's ever seen the guy play.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on November 27, 2009, 03:20:27 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 27, 2009, 11:34:08 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on November 27, 2009, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: Weebs on November 27, 2009, 08:44:13 AM
QuoteThe Cubs have told current starting shortstop Ryan Theriot to begin preparing for a move to second base.
The Northsiders believe 19-year-old shortstop Starlin Castro is on a "fast track" to the big leagues. He has already been invited to spring training and has an outside chance of cracking the Opening Day roster in 2010. "Ryan feels like if he has to change positions and move to second base, he would have no problems," general manager Jim Hendry said Thursday. "He has made it no secret he loves the Cubs and wants to stay."

It's about fucking time!

Although, hopefully he's moving to second base so we can trade Starlin Castro for Hanley Ramirez straight up.

What becomes of Jeff Baker then?  I mean, I don't think he's a world-beater, but I'd be interested in seeing what he can do over a full season; his second half stats were pretty decent.

.305 .362 .448 4HRs, 21RBIs.

He'll be a nice piece as a back up infielder - but this Starlin Castro guy smells like Ty Griffin. Did he slay a dragon or something? He's a legend and no one's ever seen the guy play.

Maybe, but he's 19 and I find it hard to believe that Castro/Theriot could be any worse than Theriot/Fontenot.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on November 27, 2009, 03:35:53 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on November 27, 2009, 03:20:27 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 27, 2009, 11:34:08 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on November 27, 2009, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: Weebs on November 27, 2009, 08:44:13 AM
QuoteThe Cubs have told current starting shortstop Ryan Theriot to begin preparing for a move to second base.
The Northsiders believe 19-year-old shortstop Starlin Castro is on a "fast track" to the big leagues. He has already been invited to spring training and has an outside chance of cracking the Opening Day roster in 2010. "Ryan feels like if he has to change positions and move to second base, he would have no problems," general manager Jim Hendry said Thursday. "He has made it no secret he loves the Cubs and wants to stay."

It's about fucking time!

Although, hopefully he's moving to second base so we can trade Starlin Castro for Hanley Ramirez straight up.

What becomes of Jeff Baker then?  I mean, I don't think he's a world-beater, but I'd be interested in seeing what he can do over a full season; his second half stats were pretty decent.

.305 .362 .448 4HRs, 21RBIs.

He'll be a nice piece as a back up infielder - but this Starlin Castro guy smells like Ty Griffin. Did he slay a dragon or something? He's a legend and no one's ever seen the guy play.

Maybe, but he's 19 and I find it hard to believe that Castro/Theriot could be any worse than Theriot/Fontenot.

No, definitely not worse. I just find it funny that the organization and the media are telling us that Castro is the next Jeter. I hope he's good but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on November 27, 2009, 05:25:03 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 27, 2009, 03:35:53 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on November 27, 2009, 03:20:27 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 27, 2009, 11:34:08 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on November 27, 2009, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: Weebs on November 27, 2009, 08:44:13 AM
QuoteThe Cubs have told current starting shortstop Ryan Theriot to begin preparing for a move to second base.
The Northsiders believe 19-year-old shortstop Starlin Castro is on a "fast track" to the big leagues. He has already been invited to spring training and has an outside chance of cracking the Opening Day roster in 2010. "Ryan feels like if he has to change positions and move to second base, he would have no problems," general manager Jim Hendry said Thursday. "He has made it no secret he loves the Cubs and wants to stay."

It's about fucking time!

Although, hopefully he's moving to second base so we can trade Starlin Castro for Hanley Ramirez straight up.

What becomes of Jeff Baker then?  I mean, I don't think he's a world-beater, but I'd be interested in seeing what he can do over a full season; his second half stats were pretty decent.

.305 .362 .448 4HRs, 21RBIs.

He'll be a nice piece as a back up infielder - but this Starlin Castro guy smells like Ty Griffin. Did he slay a dragon or something? He's a legend and no one's ever seen the guy play.

Maybe, but he's 19 and I find it hard to believe that Castro/Theriot could be any worse than Theriot/Fontenot.

No, definitely not worse. I just find it funny that the organization and the media are telling us that Castro is the next Jeter. I hope he's good but I'm not getting my hopes up.

Arizona Fall League numbers never lie.

.402/.429/.626 = Mazel tov
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 27, 2009, 06:23:33 PM
Ahem.  (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=5299.msg195942#msg195942)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on November 27, 2009, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on November 27, 2009, 10:02:13 AM
What becomes of Jeff Baker then?  I mean, I don't think he's a world-beater, but I'd be interested in seeing what he can do over a full season; his second half stats were pretty decent.

.305 .362 .448 4HRs, 21RBIs.

I know Jeff Baker didn't get any hits in the NLDS against the D-Backs, but I'm willing to bet he'd have a better season than Theriot at second base.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on December 01, 2009, 02:04:52 PM
Oh, how I love this team. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/cubs-wont-offer-arbitration-to-harden-gregg-johnson.html) Letting Harden walk is such a great idea.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on December 01, 2009, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 02:04:52 PM
Oh, how I love this team. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/cubs-wont-offer-arbitration-to-harden-gregg-johnson.html) Letting Harden walk is such a great idea.

I can see not offering arbitration to Johnson or Gregg.  They may not receive multi-year offers and may have accepted arbitration.

But Harden will certainly get a multi-year offer.  I don't think Hendry has quite figured out how this arbitration/compensation thing works.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 01, 2009, 02:14:10 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 01, 2009, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 02:04:52 PM
Oh, how I love this team. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/cubs-wont-offer-arbitration-to-harden-gregg-johnson.html) Letting Harden walk is such a great idea.

I can see not offering arbitration to Johnson or Gregg.  They may not receive multi-year offers and may have accepted arbitration.

But Harden will certainly get a multi-year offer.  I don't think Hendry has quite figured out how this arbitration/compensation thing works.

What's the argument here...that Harden should be on the Cubs or that the Cubs should have offered him arbitration (knowing that he'd probably decline and that the Cubs would get a draft pick back).

Because the latter is okay, but I can't really get behind the former when dollars are short and the offense is a much larger issue.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on December 01, 2009, 02:14:44 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 01, 2009, 02:11:52 PM
But Harden will certainly get a multi-year offer.  I don't think Hendry has quite figured out how this arbitration/compensation thing works.

Even money here that he gets a 1 year deal.  In no reasonable universe does he get more than 2 years.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on December 01, 2009, 02:16:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 01, 2009, 02:14:10 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 01, 2009, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 02:04:52 PM
Oh, how I love this team. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/cubs-wont-offer-arbitration-to-harden-gregg-johnson.html) Letting Harden walk is such a great idea.

I can see not offering arbitration to Johnson or Gregg.  They may not receive multi-year offers and may have accepted arbitration.

But Harden will certainly get a multi-year offer.  I don't think Hendry has quite figured out how this arbitration/compensation thing works.

What's the argument here...that Harden should be on the Cubs or that the Cubs should have offered him arbitration (knowing that he'd probably decline and that the Cubs would get a draft pick back).

Because the latter is okay, but I can't really get behind the former when dollars are short and the offense is a much larger issue.

Most indications I heard said that he was expected to accept it.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on December 01, 2009, 02:21:10 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 02:16:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 01, 2009, 02:14:10 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 01, 2009, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 02:04:52 PM
Oh, how I love this team. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/cubs-wont-offer-arbitration-to-harden-gregg-johnson.html) Letting Harden walk is such a great idea.

I can see not offering arbitration to Johnson or Gregg.  They may not receive multi-year offers and may have accepted arbitration.

But Harden will certainly get a multi-year offer.  I don't think Hendry has quite figured out how this arbitration/compensation thing works.

What's the argument here...that Harden should be on the Cubs or that the Cubs should have offered him arbitration (knowing that he'd probably decline and that the Cubs would get a draft pick back).

Because the latter is okay, but I can't really get behind the former when dollars are short and the offense is a much larger issue.

Most indications I heard said that he was expected to accept it.

Exactly.  Arbitration would have gotten him between $8mm and $10mm for one year.  He'll make less than half of that, before incentives, in 2010.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 01, 2009, 02:21:52 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 01, 2009, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 02:04:52 PM
Oh, how I love this team. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/cubs-wont-offer-arbitration-to-harden-gregg-johnson.html) Letting Harden walk is such a great idea.

I can see not offering arbitration to Johnson or Gregg.  They may not receive multi-year offers and may have accepted arbitration.

But Harden will certainly get a multi-year offer.  I don't think Hendry has quite figured out how this arbitration/compensation thing works.

Well, he found the time to spend 7.5 million dollars on John Grabass. So that's really not leaving a sour taste in my mouth. I'm not still angry about it.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on December 01, 2009, 02:49:02 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 01, 2009, 02:14:44 PM
Even money here that he gets a 1 year deal.  In no reasonable universe does he get more than 2 years.

I don't disagree, but baseball contracts are not part of a reasonable universe.

Yuniesky Betancourt might be the worst player in baseball and he has a 4 year deal.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 01, 2009, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 02:04:52 PM
Oh, how I love this team. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/cubs-wont-offer-arbitration-to-harden-gregg-johnson.html) Letting Harden walk is such a great idea.

QuoteThe story was first reported by David Kaplan on Chicagonow.com.

It's probably still even money that they'll offer.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on December 01, 2009, 03:09:27 PM
Quote from: Pre on December 01, 2009, 02:49:02 PM
baseball contracts offered by Jim Hendry are not part of a reasonable universe.

Truth'd
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on December 01, 2009, 03:38:20 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 01, 2009, 02:14:44 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 01, 2009, 02:11:52 PM
But Harden will certainly get a multi-year offer.  I don't think Hendry has quite figured out how this arbitration/compensation thing works.

Even money here that he gets a 1 year deal.  In no reasonable universe does he get more than 2 years.

Hendry will give him three with a player option for a fourth.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on December 01, 2009, 03:56:46 PM
Intrepid Reader: @baseballstone

Hendry left Donnie Veal unprotected in last year's Rule 5 draft.  now he's the Pirates ace.  nice choice Jim

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2cervau.png)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on December 01, 2009, 04:24:08 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 01, 2009, 03:56:46 PM
Intrepid Reader: @baseballstone

Hendry left Donnie Veal unprotected in last year's Rule 5 draft.  now he's the Pirates ace.  nice choice Jim

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2cervau.png)

Don't forget, we have David Patton.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on December 01, 2009, 04:33:09 PM
Well, since the Cubs fucked up that Harden thing, maybe they can hang onto Milton? Probably not. I know I'm probably one of 5 Cub fans who actually want him retained, but I would think it would make more money sense to hang on to him for $10 million than to pick up, say, Burrell, for $15 million or so (His contract plus a good chunk of Milton's). Burrell is shitty and Milton is not. Worn out his welcome in Chicago? Who gives a shit? The fans will probably hate him. They won't stop coming to the park. If someone boycotts them, there will be another schmoe ready to take his/her seats. Clubhouse shit? Fuck that, too. Read this that MB21 of ACB wrote on Kaplan's blog a while back. (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2009/11/back-from-vacation--random-thoughts.html#comment-131904) It's pretty dead on:

QuoteAlso, chemistry probably has more to do with winning and losing. Players have more fun winning and it will create an exciting environment for all the players. Losing sucks and it will bring out the worst in people.

I don't know how much value chemistry has, but I do know that most managers and general managers have said that it doesn't matter. I also find it hard to believe that Player A is performing worse because Player B is an ass. That's actually something we could verify and I might actually look into it if you were to provide me with 20 or 30 players who are supposedly clubhouse cancers. If people say who they are we can find out if they have any impact on performance.

Think about it, Dave. If you could tell your boss that your performance was lacking because Joe was an ass, what do you think he would say? People can't do that. That's not what happens in real life. We all deal with asses nearly every day of our lives. If you work in a company that has more than a few employees you're working with someone who would be considered a clubhouse cancer. I'm assuming that you couldn't go tell your boss that your poor performance was Joe's fault. As people we have learned how to perform being around those types of people. We've had to. We could not function if we didn't have that ability.

Why are these guys different? Why are athletes so different from carpenters or accountants? They all work with people they'd rather not and they cannot excuse their performance by blaming another.

I do believe that a positive work environment is best, but that's just an opinion. It very well could be the exact opposite of what people think today. It's very possible that 25 guys as friends and buddies perform worse than 25 guys who hate each other's guts. I would not think that would be the case, but I don't know.

I know that many things that were considered common knowledge about baseball have been found untrue. Because of that, I cannot accept as fact that chemistry affects performance. I certainly have an opinion about it. If Joe is having problems performing because of Jack then I'm firing Joe. We have to perform under pressure in our lives and part of that is dealing with these types of people. If you cannot do that, you are the one that should be fired. That's my opinion. I have no idea whether any of it is true or if that's the best thing to do or not. I don't know either way and until someone proves it or disproves it I am going to assume that chemistry is of minimal to no value.

So fuck that stupid myth about team chemistry. Fuck it with the power of the 9 year decade.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on December 01, 2009, 04:40:42 PM
The guy is another Kent Mercker.  I don't enjoy watching him play.  Hardly anyone else does.  Sports is supposed to be entertaining.  Milton is not entertaining, at least not in a good way.

He's not good enough to put up with the way we embraced Dennis Rodman around here.

Maddog can quote all the stats he wants.  There's a reason the guy has been on what will be 8 teams in his career yet plenty of other baseball lunatics stay on the same team year after year: The other lunatics' goodness at baseball outweighs their loonyness.

Milton's loonyness far outweighs his goodness.

The Cubs will not be worse off without him.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on December 01, 2009, 04:48:17 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 01, 2009, 04:40:42 PM
The guy is another Kent Mercker.  I don't enjoy watching him play.  Hardly anyone else does.  Sports is supposed to be entertaining.  Milton is not entertaining, at least not in a good way.

He's not good enough to put up with the way we embraced Dennis Rodman around here.

Maddog can quote all the stats he wants.  There's a reason the guy has been on what will be 8 teams in his career yet plenty of other baseball lunatics stay on the same team year after year: The other lunatics' goodness at baseball outweighs their loonyness.

Milton's loonyness far outweighs his goodness.

The Cubs will not be worse off without him.

He didn't quote one stat at all. It was just a simple statement that people need to deal with shitty coworkers.

You're right Chuck, that OF of Soriano, Fukudome, Burrell will be so much better.

I know we watch sports for our entertainment, but if a guy makes your team better (and the 2010 Cubs will be better with Milton than not) then who gives a shit.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on December 01, 2009, 04:52:32 PM
We are really reaching for something to talk about now that the football season is over.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Tinker to Evers to Chance on December 01, 2009, 04:54:33 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 04:48:17 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 01, 2009, 04:40:42 PM
The guy is another Kent Mercker.  I don't enjoy watching him play.  Hardly anyone else does.  Sports is supposed to be entertaining.  Milton is not entertaining, at least not in a good way.

He's not good enough to put up with the way we embraced Dennis Rodman around here.

Maddog can quote all the stats he wants.  There's a reason the guy has been on what will be 8 teams in his career yet plenty of other baseball lunatics stay on the same team year after year: The other lunatics' goodness at baseball outweighs their loonyness.

Milton's loonyness far outweighs his goodness.

The Cubs will not be worse off without him.

He didn't quote one stat at all. It was just a simple statement that people need to deal with shitty coworkers.

You're right Chuck, that OF of Soriano, Fukudome, Burrell will be so much better.

I know we watch sports for our entertainment, but if a guy makes your team better (and the 2010 Cubs will be better with Milton than not) then who gives a shit.

And do teachers have to deal with having their careers fucked with by those same shitty people?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Richard Chuggar on December 01, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 04:33:09 PM
Well, since the Cubs fucked up that Harden thing, maybe they can hang onto Milton? Probably not. I know I'm probably one of 5 Cub fans who actually want him retained, but I would think it would make more money sense to hang on to him for $10 million than to pick up, say, Burrell, for $15 million or so (His contract plus a good chunk of Milton's). Burrell is shitty and Milton is not. Worn out his welcome in Chicago? Who gives a shit? The fans will probably hate him. They won't stop coming to the park. If someone boycotts them, there will be another schmoe ready to take his/her seats. Clubhouse shit? Fuck that, too. Read this that MB21 of ACB wrote on Kaplan's blog a while back. (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2009/11/back-from-vacation--random-thoughts.html#comment-131904) It's pretty dead on:

QuoteAlso, chemistry probably has more to do with winning and losing. Players have more fun winning and it will create an exciting environment for all the players. Losing sucks and it will bring out the worst in people.

I don't know how much value chemistry has, but I do know that most managers and general managers have said that it doesn't matter. I also find it hard to believe that Player A is performing worse because Player B is an ass. That's actually something we could verify and I might actually look into it if you were to provide me with 20 or 30 players who are supposedly clubhouse cancers. If people say who they are we can find out if they have any impact on performance.

Think about it, Dave. If you could tell your boss that your performance was lacking because Joe was an ass, what do you think he would say? People can't do that. That's not what happens in real life. We all deal with asses nearly every day of our lives. If you work in a company that has more than a few employees you're working with someone who would be considered a clubhouse cancer. I'm assuming that you couldn't go tell your boss that your poor performance was Joe's fault. As people we have learned how to perform being around those types of people. We've had to. We could not function if we didn't have that ability.

Why are these guys different? Why are athletes so different from carpenters or accountants? They all work with people they'd rather not and they cannot excuse their performance by blaming another.

I do believe that a positive work environment is best, but that's just an opinion. It very well could be the exact opposite of what people think today. It's very possible that 25 guys as friends and buddies perform worse than 25 guys who hate each other's guts. I would not think that would be the case, but I don't know.

I know that many things that were considered common knowledge about baseball have been found untrue. Because of that, I cannot accept as fact that chemistry affects performance. I certainly have an opinion about it. If Joe is having problems performing because of Jack then I'm firing Joe. We have to perform under pressure in our lives and part of that is dealing with these types of people. If you cannot do that, you are the one that should be fired. That's my opinion. I have no idea whether any of it is true or if that's the best thing to do or not. I don't know either way and until someone proves it or disproves it I am going to assume that chemistry is of minimal to no value.

So fuck that stupid myth about team chemistry. Fuck it with the power of the 9 year decade.


Milton Bradley sucks at baseball.  Bottom line.  Who gives a fuck about how big of a morgan he is?  Get him the shit out of town.  Give it up Yeti, you're wrong.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on December 01, 2009, 05:22:32 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 01, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 04:33:09 PM
Well, since the Cubs fucked up that Harden thing, maybe they can hang onto Milton? Probably not. I know I'm probably one of 5 Cub fans who actually want him retained, but I would think it would make more money sense to hang on to him for $10 million than to pick up, say, Burrell, for $15 million or so (His contract plus a good chunk of Milton's). Burrell is shitty and Milton is not. Worn out his welcome in Chicago? Who gives a shit? The fans will probably hate him. They won't stop coming to the park. If someone boycotts them, there will be another schmoe ready to take his/her seats. Clubhouse shit? Fuck that, too. Read this that MB21 of ACB wrote on Kaplan's blog a while back. (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2009/11/back-from-vacation--random-thoughts.html#comment-131904) It's pretty dead on:

QuoteAlso, chemistry probably has more to do with winning and losing. Players have more fun winning and it will create an exciting environment for all the players. Losing sucks and it will bring out the worst in people.

I don't know how much value chemistry has, but I do know that most managers and general managers have said that it doesn't matter. I also find it hard to believe that Player A is performing worse because Player B is an ass. That's actually something we could verify and I might actually look into it if you were to provide me with 20 or 30 players who are supposedly clubhouse cancers. If people say who they are we can find out if they have any impact on performance.

Think about it, Dave. If you could tell your boss that your performance was lacking because Joe was an ass, what do you think he would say? People can't do that. That's not what happens in real life. We all deal with asses nearly every day of our lives. If you work in a company that has more than a few employees you're working with someone who would be considered a clubhouse cancer. I'm assuming that you couldn't go tell your boss that your poor performance was Joe's fault. As people we have learned how to perform being around those types of people. We've had to. We could not function if we didn't have that ability.

Why are these guys different? Why are athletes so different from carpenters or accountants? They all work with people they'd rather not and they cannot excuse their performance by blaming another.

I do believe that a positive work environment is best, but that's just an opinion. It very well could be the exact opposite of what people think today. It's very possible that 25 guys as friends and buddies perform worse than 25 guys who hate each other's guts. I would not think that would be the case, but I don't know.

I know that many things that were considered common knowledge about baseball have been found untrue. Because of that, I cannot accept as fact that chemistry affects performance. I certainly have an opinion about it. If Joe is having problems performing because of Jack then I'm firing Joe. We have to perform under pressure in our lives and part of that is dealing with these types of people. If you cannot do that, you are the one that should be fired. That's my opinion. I have no idea whether any of it is true or if that's the best thing to do or not. I don't know either way and until someone proves it or disproves it I am going to assume that chemistry is of minimal to no value.

So fuck that stupid myth about team chemistry. Fuck it with the power of the 9 year decade.


Milton Bradley sucks at baseball.  Bottom line.  Who gives a fuck about how big of a morgan he is?  Get him the shit out of town.  Give it up Yeti, you're wrong.

So, who do you want? Sam Fuld? Reed Johnson?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on December 01, 2009, 06:10:38 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 05:22:32 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 01, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 04:33:09 PM
Well, since the Cubs fucked up that Harden thing, maybe they can hang onto Milton? Probably not. I know I'm probably one of 5 Cub fans who actually want him retained, but I would think it would make more money sense to hang on to him for $10 million than to pick up, say, Burrell, for $15 million or so (His contract plus a good chunk of Milton's). Burrell is shitty and Milton is not. Worn out his welcome in Chicago? Who gives a shit? The fans will probably hate him. They won't stop coming to the park. If someone boycotts them, there will be another schmoe ready to take his/her seats. Clubhouse shit? Fuck that, too. Read this that MB21 of ACB wrote on Kaplan's blog a while back. (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2009/11/back-from-vacation--random-thoughts.html#comment-131904) It's pretty dead on:

QuoteAlso, chemistry probably has more to do with winning and losing. Players have more fun winning and it will create an exciting environment for all the players. Losing sucks and it will bring out the worst in people.

I don't know how much value chemistry has, but I do know that most managers and general managers have said that it doesn't matter. I also find it hard to believe that Player A is performing worse because Player B is an ass. That's actually something we could verify and I might actually look into it if you were to provide me with 20 or 30 players who are supposedly clubhouse cancers. If people say who they are we can find out if they have any impact on performance.

Think about it, Dave. If you could tell your boss that your performance was lacking because Joe was an ass, what do you think he would say? People can't do that. That's not what happens in real life. We all deal with asses nearly every day of our lives. If you work in a company that has more than a few employees you're working with someone who would be considered a clubhouse cancer. I'm assuming that you couldn't go tell your boss that your poor performance was Joe's fault. As people we have learned how to perform being around those types of people. We've had to. We could not function if we didn't have that ability.

Why are these guys different? Why are athletes so different from carpenters or accountants? They all work with people they'd rather not and they cannot excuse their performance by blaming another.

I do believe that a positive work environment is best, but that's just an opinion. It very well could be the exact opposite of what people think today. It's very possible that 25 guys as friends and buddies perform worse than 25 guys who hate each other's guts. I would not think that would be the case, but I don't know.

I know that many things that were considered common knowledge about baseball have been found untrue. Because of that, I cannot accept as fact that chemistry affects performance. I certainly have an opinion about it. If Joe is having problems performing because of Jack then I'm firing Joe. We have to perform under pressure in our lives and part of that is dealing with these types of people. If you cannot do that, you are the one that should be fired. That's my opinion. I have no idea whether any of it is true or if that's the best thing to do or not. I don't know either way and until someone proves it or disproves it I am going to assume that chemistry is of minimal to no value.

So fuck that stupid myth about team chemistry. Fuck it with the power of the 9 year decade.


Milton Bradley sucks at baseball.  Bottom line.  Who gives a fuck about how big of a morgan he is?  Get him the shit out of town.  Give it up Yeti, you're wrong.

So, who do you want? Sam Fuld? Reed Johnson?

I believe SAM FULD! is the preferred nomenclature around here dude.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on December 01, 2009, 06:51:36 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 01, 2009, 06:10:38 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 05:22:32 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 01, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 04:33:09 PM
Well, since the Cubs fucked up that Harden thing, maybe they can hang onto Milton? Probably not. I know I'm probably one of 5 Cub fans who actually want him retained, but I would think it would make more money sense to hang on to him for $10 million than to pick up, say, Burrell, for $15 million or so (His contract plus a good chunk of Milton's). Burrell is shitty and Milton is not. Worn out his welcome in Chicago? Who gives a shit? The fans will probably hate him. They won't stop coming to the park. If someone boycotts them, there will be another schmoe ready to take his/her seats. Clubhouse shit? Fuck that, too. Read this that MB21 of ACB wrote on Kaplan's blog a while back. (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2009/11/back-from-vacation--random-thoughts.html#comment-131904) It's pretty dead on:

QuoteAlso, chemistry probably has more to do with winning and losing. Players have more fun winning and it will create an exciting environment for all the players. Losing sucks and it will bring out the worst in people.

I don't know how much value chemistry has, but I do know that most managers and general managers have said that it doesn't matter. I also find it hard to believe that Player A is performing worse because Player B is an ass. That's actually something we could verify and I might actually look into it if you were to provide me with 20 or 30 players who are supposedly clubhouse cancers. If people say who they are we can find out if they have any impact on performance.

Think about it, Dave. If you could tell your boss that your performance was lacking because Joe was an ass, what do you think he would say? People can't do that. That's not what happens in real life. We all deal with asses nearly every day of our lives. If you work in a company that has more than a few employees you're working with someone who would be considered a clubhouse cancer. I'm assuming that you couldn't go tell your boss that your poor performance was Joe's fault. As people we have learned how to perform being around those types of people. We've had to. We could not function if we didn't have that ability.

Why are these guys different? Why are athletes so different from carpenters or accountants? They all work with people they'd rather not and they cannot excuse their performance by blaming another.

I do believe that a positive work environment is best, but that's just an opinion. It very well could be the exact opposite of what people think today. It's very possible that 25 guys as friends and buddies perform worse than 25 guys who hate each other's guts. I would not think that would be the case, but I don't know.

I know that many things that were considered common knowledge about baseball have been found untrue. Because of that, I cannot accept as fact that chemistry affects performance. I certainly have an opinion about it. If Joe is having problems performing because of Jack then I'm firing Joe. We have to perform under pressure in our lives and part of that is dealing with these types of people. If you cannot do that, you are the one that should be fired. That's my opinion. I have no idea whether any of it is true or if that's the best thing to do or not. I don't know either way and until someone proves it or disproves it I am going to assume that chemistry is of minimal to no value.

So fuck that stupid myth about team chemistry. Fuck it with the power of the 9 year decade.


Milton Bradley sucks at baseball.  Bottom line.  Who gives a fuck about how big of a morgan he is?  Get him the shit out of town.  Give it up Yeti, you're wrong.

So, who do you want? Sam Fuld? Reed Johnson?

I believe SAM FULD! is the preferred nomenclature around here dude.

(http://i29.tinypic.com/2nc42yr.gif)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on December 01, 2009, 07:14:22 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 01, 2009, 06:51:36 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 01, 2009, 06:10:38 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 05:22:32 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 01, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 04:33:09 PM
Well, since the Cubs fucked up that Harden thing, maybe they can hang onto Milton? Probably not. I know I'm probably one of 5 Cub fans who actually want him retained, but I would think it would make more money sense to hang on to him for $10 million than to pick up, say, Burrell, for $15 million or so (His contract plus a good chunk of Milton's). Burrell is shitty and Milton is not. Worn out his welcome in Chicago? Who gives a shit? The fans will probably hate him. They won't stop coming to the park. If someone boycotts them, there will be another schmoe ready to take his/her seats. Clubhouse shit? Fuck that, too. Read this that MB21 of ACB wrote on Kaplan's blog a while back. (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2009/11/back-from-vacation--random-thoughts.html#comment-131904) It's pretty dead on:

QuoteAlso, chemistry probably has more to do with winning and losing. Players have more fun winning and it will create an exciting environment for all the players. Losing sucks and it will bring out the worst in people.

I don't know how much value chemistry has, but I do know that most managers and general managers have said that it doesn't matter. I also find it hard to believe that Player A is performing worse because Player B is an ass. That's actually something we could verify and I might actually look into it if you were to provide me with 20 or 30 players who are supposedly clubhouse cancers. If people say who they are we can find out if they have any impact on performance.

Think about it, Dave. If you could tell your boss that your performance was lacking because Joe was an ass, what do you think he would say? People can't do that. That's not what happens in real life. We all deal with asses nearly every day of our lives. If you work in a company that has more than a few employees you're working with someone who would be considered a clubhouse cancer. I'm assuming that you couldn't go tell your boss that your poor performance was Joe's fault. As people we have learned how to perform being around those types of people. We've had to. We could not function if we didn't have that ability.

Why are these guys different? Why are athletes so different from carpenters or accountants? They all work with people they'd rather not and they cannot excuse their performance by blaming another.

I do believe that a positive work environment is best, but that's just an opinion. It very well could be the exact opposite of what people think today. It's very possible that 25 guys as friends and buddies perform worse than 25 guys who hate each other's guts. I would not think that would be the case, but I don't know.

I know that many things that were considered common knowledge about baseball have been found untrue. Because of that, I cannot accept as fact that chemistry affects performance. I certainly have an opinion about it. If Joe is having problems performing because of Jack then I'm firing Joe. We have to perform under pressure in our lives and part of that is dealing with these types of people. If you cannot do that, you are the one that should be fired. That's my opinion. I have no idea whether any of it is true or if that's the best thing to do or not. I don't know either way and until someone proves it or disproves it I am going to assume that chemistry is of minimal to no value.

So fuck that stupid myth about team chemistry. Fuck it with the power of the 9 year decade.


Milton Bradley sucks at baseball.  Bottom line.  Who gives a fuck about how big of a morgan he is?  Get him the shit out of town.  Give it up Yeti, you're wrong.

So, who do you want? Sam Fuld? Reed Johnson?

I believe SAM FULD! is the preferred nomenclature around here dude.

(http://i29.tinypic.com/2nc42yr.gif)

In (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micah_Hoffpauir) doing a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Johnson) quick wikipedia search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Theriot)  of mostly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramis_Ramirez) white (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Bradley_%28baseball%29)  Cubs players, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrek_Lee) Sam Fuld's is by far the sploogiest. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Fuld) What a shitfest of a fanbase
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on December 01, 2009, 07:25:50 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 07:14:22 PM
In (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micah_Hoffpauir) doing a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Johnson) quick wikipedia search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Theriot)  of mostly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramis_Ramirez) white (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Bradley_%28baseball%29)  Cubs players, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrek_Lee) Sam Fuld's is by far the sploogiest. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Fuld) What a shitfest of a fanbase

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Sam_fuld_cropped.jpg/280px-Sam_fuld_cropped.jpg)
Splooge?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on December 01, 2009, 08:33:47 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 01, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
Milton Bradley sucks at baseball. 

I was going to type "THIS" but then I realized that you're wrong.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BBM on December 02, 2009, 12:15:04 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 05:22:32 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 01, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 04:33:09 PM
Well, since the Cubs fucked up that Harden thing, maybe they can hang onto Milton? Probably not. I know I'm probably one of 5 Cub fans who actually want him retained, but I would think it would make more money sense to hang on to him for $10 million than to pick up, say, Burrell, for $15 million or so (His contract plus a good chunk of Milton's). Burrell is shitty and Milton is not. Worn out his welcome in Chicago? Who gives a shit? The fans will probably hate him. They won't stop coming to the park. If someone boycotts them, there will be another schmoe ready to take his/her seats. Clubhouse shit? Fuck that, too. Read this that MB21 of ACB wrote on Kaplan's blog a while back. (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2009/11/back-from-vacation--random-thoughts.html#comment-131904) It's pretty dead on:

QuoteAlso, chemistry probably has more to do with winning and losing. Players have more fun winning and it will create an exciting environment for all the players. Losing sucks and it will bring out the worst in people.

I don't know how much value chemistry has, but I do know that most managers and general managers have said that it doesn't matter. I also find it hard to believe that Player A is performing worse because Player B is an ass. That's actually something we could verify and I might actually look into it if you were to provide me with 20 or 30 players who are supposedly clubhouse cancers. If people say who they are we can find out if they have any impact on performance.

Think about it, Dave. If you could tell your boss that your performance was lacking because Joe was an ass, what do you think he would say? People can't do that. That's not what happens in real life. We all deal with asses nearly every day of our lives. If you work in a company that has more than a few employees you're working with someone who would be considered a clubhouse cancer. I'm assuming that you couldn't go tell your boss that your poor performance was Joe's fault. As people we have learned how to perform being around those types of people. We've had to. We could not function if we didn't have that ability.

Why are these guys different? Why are athletes so different from carpenters or accountants? They all work with people they'd rather not and they cannot excuse their performance by blaming another.

I do believe that a positive work environment is best, but that's just an opinion. It very well could be the exact opposite of what people think today. It's very possible that 25 guys as friends and buddies perform worse than 25 guys who hate each other's guts. I would not think that would be the case, but I don't know.

I know that many things that were considered common knowledge about baseball have been found untrue. Because of that, I cannot accept as fact that chemistry affects performance. I certainly have an opinion about it. If Joe is having problems performing because of Jack then I'm firing Joe. We have to perform under pressure in our lives and part of that is dealing with these types of people. If you cannot do that, you are the one that should be fired. That's my opinion. I have no idea whether any of it is true or if that's the best thing to do or not. I don't know either way and until someone proves it or disproves it I am going to assume that chemistry is of minimal to no value.

So fuck that stupid myth about team chemistry. Fuck it with the power of the 9 year decade.


Milton Bradley sucks at baseball.  Bottom line.  Who gives a fuck about how big of a morgan he is?  Get him the shit out of town.  Give it up Yeti, you're wrong.

So, who do you want? Sam Fuld? Reed Johnson?

Scott Posednik?  Is Darin Erstad still on the market?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Richard Chuggar on December 02, 2009, 07:49:35 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 05:22:32 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 01, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 04:33:09 PM
Well, since the Cubs fucked up that Harden thing, maybe they can hang onto Milton? Probably not. I know I'm probably one of 5 Cub fans who actually want him retained, but I would think it would make more money sense to hang on to him for $10 million than to pick up, say, Burrell, for $15 million or so (His contract plus a good chunk of Milton's). Burrell is shitty and Milton is not. Worn out his welcome in Chicago? Who gives a shit? The fans will probably hate him. They won't stop coming to the park. If someone boycotts them, there will be another schmoe ready to take his/her seats. Clubhouse shit? Fuck that, too. Read this that MB21 of ACB wrote on Kaplan's blog a while back. (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2009/11/back-from-vacation--random-thoughts.html#comment-131904) It's pretty dead on:

QuoteAlso, chemistry probably has more to do with winning and losing. Players have more fun winning and it will create an exciting environment for all the players. Losing sucks and it will bring out the worst in people.

I don't know how much value chemistry has, but I do know that most managers and general managers have said that it doesn't matter. I also find it hard to believe that Player A is performing worse because Player B is an ass. That's actually something we could verify and I might actually look into it if you were to provide me with 20 or 30 players who are supposedly clubhouse cancers. If people say who they are we can find out if they have any impact on performance.

Think about it, Dave. If you could tell your boss that your performance was lacking because Joe was an ass, what do you think he would say? People can't do that. That's not what happens in real life. We all deal with asses nearly every day of our lives. If you work in a company that has more than a few employees you're working with someone who would be considered a clubhouse cancer. I'm assuming that you couldn't go tell your boss that your poor performance was Joe's fault. As people we have learned how to perform being around those types of people. We've had to. We could not function if we didn't have that ability.

Why are these guys different? Why are athletes so different from carpenters or accountants? They all work with people they'd rather not and they cannot excuse their performance by blaming another.

I do believe that a positive work environment is best, but that's just an opinion. It very well could be the exact opposite of what people think today. It's very possible that 25 guys as friends and buddies perform worse than 25 guys who hate each other's guts. I would not think that would be the case, but I don't know.

I know that many things that were considered common knowledge about baseball have been found untrue. Because of that, I cannot accept as fact that chemistry affects performance. I certainly have an opinion about it. If Joe is having problems performing because of Jack then I'm firing Joe. We have to perform under pressure in our lives and part of that is dealing with these types of people. If you cannot do that, you are the one that should be fired. That's my opinion. I have no idea whether any of it is true or if that's the best thing to do or not. I don't know either way and until someone proves it or disproves it I am going to assume that chemistry is of minimal to no value.

So fuck that stupid myth about team chemistry. Fuck it with the power of the 9 year decade.


Milton Bradley sucks at baseball.  Bottom line.  Who gives a fuck about how big of a morgan he is?  Get him the shit out of town.  Give it up Yeti, you're wrong.

So, who do you want? Sam Fuld? Reed Johnson?

Raul Ibanez
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on December 02, 2009, 08:38:29 AM
BRING BACK DAT MOONLIGHT GREENBERG! 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on December 02, 2009, 09:43:40 AM
This site (http://cubsrumorsandnews.blogspot.com/) looks made up, but this rumor is too awesome not to post.

"- According to sources, the Cubs are poised to sign Rick Ankiel as soon as Milton Bradley is traded. The Cubs have been linked to Ankiel recently along with Crisp, Cameron, Byrd, among others. This of course means the idea of the Cubs getting Granderson has diminished and the Cubs acquiring a CF via trade like Rowand, Davis, McLouth, etc has gone out the window. It is also rumored the Cubs will in fact offer Ankiel a multi-year deal so they can can make the money disperse more over years rather than him signing a one year deal worth a higher figure. I am in favor of this deal because I think Rudy Jarmillo can turn this guy around to a middle of the lineup threat."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 02, 2009, 09:48:27 AM

Websites that start trade rumors are irresponsible.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 02, 2009, 10:07:29 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 07:14:22 PM
In (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micah_Hoffpauir) doing a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Johnson) quick wikipedia search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Theriot)  of mostly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramis_Ramirez) white (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Bradley_%28baseball%29)  Cubs players, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrek_Lee) Sam Fuld's is by far the sploogiest. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Fuld) What a shitfest of a fanbase

I hate these fucking fans.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on December 02, 2009, 10:12:02 AM
Quote from: BH on December 02, 2009, 09:43:40 AM
This site (http://cubsrumorsandnews.blogspot.com/) looks made up, but this rumor is too awesome not to post.

"- According to sources, the Cubs are poised to sign Rick Ankiel as soon as Milton Bradley is traded. The Cubs have been linked to Ankiel recently along with Crisp, Cameron, Byrd, among others. This of course means the idea of the Cubs getting Granderson has diminished and the Cubs acquiring a CF via trade like Rowand, Davis, McLouth, etc has gone out the window. It is also rumored the Cubs will in fact offer Ankiel a multi-year deal so they can can make the money disperse more over years rather than him signing a one year deal worth a higher figure. I am in favor of this deal because I think Rudy Jarmillo can turn this guy around to a middle of the lineup threat."

Well, that's encouraging. I sure do hope it's true
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on December 02, 2009, 10:13:14 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 02, 2009, 10:07:29 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 07:14:22 PM
In (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micah_Hoffpauir) doing a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Johnson) quick wikipedia search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Theriot)  of mostly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramis_Ramirez) white (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Bradley_%28baseball%29)  Cubs players, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrek_Lee) Sam Fuld's is by far the sploogiest. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Fuld) What a shitfest of a fanbase

I hate these fucking fans.

Well, I'm not sure if Wiki polices changes but I made a small change to Fuld's site last night and by the morning, it was gone. Either it's Wiki or the crazy Sam Fuld Fan Club
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 02, 2009, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 02, 2009, 10:13:14 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 02, 2009, 10:07:29 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 07:14:22 PM
In (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micah_Hoffpauir) doing a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Johnson) quick wikipedia search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Theriot)  of mostly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramis_Ramirez) white (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Bradley_%28baseball%29)  Cubs players, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrek_Lee) Sam Fuld's is by far the sploogiest. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Fuld) What a shitfest of a fanbase

I hate these fucking fans.

Well, I'm not sure if Wiki polices changes but I made a small change to Fuld's site last night and by the morning, it was gone. Either it's Wiki or the crazy Sam Fuld Fan Club

You don't even give yourself propers?  Under awards, Yeti added:

QuoteLifetime Achievement: Probably has the longest Wikipedia page of any Cubs player
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 02, 2009, 10:35:16 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 02, 2009, 10:13:14 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 02, 2009, 10:07:29 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 07:14:22 PM
In (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micah_Hoffpauir) doing a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Johnson) quick wikipedia search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Theriot)  of mostly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramis_Ramirez) white (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Bradley_%28baseball%29)  Cubs players, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrek_Lee) Sam Fuld's is by far the sploogiest. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Fuld) What a shitfest of a fanbase

I hate these fucking fans.

Well, I'm not sure if Wiki polices changes but I made a small change to Fuld's site last night and by the morning, it was gone. Either it's Wiki or the crazy Sam Fuld Fan Club

I don't think you understand how wikis work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sam_Fuld&diff=329166782&oldid=329158323
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on December 02, 2009, 10:44:33 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 02, 2009, 10:35:16 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 02, 2009, 10:13:14 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 02, 2009, 10:07:29 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 07:14:22 PM
In (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micah_Hoffpauir) doing a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Johnson) quick wikipedia search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Theriot)  of mostly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramis_Ramirez) white (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Bradley_%28baseball%29)  Cubs players, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrek_Lee) Sam Fuld's is by far the sploogiest. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Fuld) What a shitfest of a fanbase

I hate these fucking fans.

Well, I'm not sure if Wiki polices changes but I made a small change to Fuld's site last night and by the morning, it was gone. Either it's Wiki or the crazy Sam Fuld Fan Club

I don't think you understand how wikis work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sam_Fuld&diff=329166782&oldid=329158323

No, I really don't. I should probably get a log-in someday.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on December 02, 2009, 11:14:18 AM
Samuel Babson Fuld?  I want to punch him right in his blood sugar meter.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BBM on December 02, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 02, 2009, 07:49:35 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 05:22:32 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 01, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 04:33:09 PM
Well, since the Cubs fucked up that Harden thing, maybe they can hang onto Milton? Probably not. I know I'm probably one of 5 Cub fans who actually want him retained, but I would think it would make more money sense to hang on to him for $10 million than to pick up, say, Burrell, for $15 million or so (His contract plus a good chunk of Milton's). Burrell is shitty and Milton is not. Worn out his welcome in Chicago? Who gives a shit? The fans will probably hate him. They won't stop coming to the park. If someone boycotts them, there will be another schmoe ready to take his/her seats. Clubhouse shit? Fuck that, too. Read this that MB21 of ACB wrote on Kaplan's blog a while back. (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2009/11/back-from-vacation--random-thoughts.html#comment-131904) It's pretty dead on:

QuoteAlso, chemistry probably has more to do with winning and losing. Players have more fun winning and it will create an exciting environment for all the players. Losing sucks and it will bring out the worst in people.

I don't know how much value chemistry has, but I do know that most managers and general managers have said that it doesn't matter. I also find it hard to believe that Player A is performing worse because Player B is an ass. That's actually something we could verify and I might actually look into it if you were to provide me with 20 or 30 players who are supposedly clubhouse cancers. If people say who they are we can find out if they have any impact on performance.

Think about it, Dave. If you could tell your boss that your performance was lacking because Joe was an ass, what do you think he would say? People can't do that. That's not what happens in real life. We all deal with asses nearly every day of our lives. If you work in a company that has more than a few employees you're working with someone who would be considered a clubhouse cancer. I'm assuming that you couldn't go tell your boss that your poor performance was Joe's fault. As people we have learned how to perform being around those types of people. We've had to. We could not function if we didn't have that ability.

Why are these guys different? Why are athletes so different from carpenters or accountants? They all work with people they'd rather not and they cannot excuse their performance by blaming another.

I do believe that a positive work environment is best, but that's just an opinion. It very well could be the exact opposite of what people think today. It's very possible that 25 guys as friends and buddies perform worse than 25 guys who hate each other's guts. I would not think that would be the case, but I don't know.

I know that many things that were considered common knowledge about baseball have been found untrue. Because of that, I cannot accept as fact that chemistry affects performance. I certainly have an opinion about it. If Joe is having problems performing because of Jack then I'm firing Joe. We have to perform under pressure in our lives and part of that is dealing with these types of people. If you cannot do that, you are the one that should be fired. That's my opinion. I have no idea whether any of it is true or if that's the best thing to do or not. I don't know either way and until someone proves it or disproves it I am going to assume that chemistry is of minimal to no value.

So fuck that stupid myth about team chemistry. Fuck it with the power of the 9 year decade.


Milton Bradley sucks at baseball.  Bottom line.  Who gives a fuck about how big of a morgan he is?  Get him the shit out of town.  Give it up Yeti, you're wrong.

So, who do you want? Sam Fuld? Reed Johnson?

Raul Ibanez

I also wanted that mauer kid over that flaming vag from southern cal.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on December 02, 2009, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: BBM on December 02, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 02, 2009, 07:49:35 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 05:22:32 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 01, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 04:33:09 PM
Well, since the Cubs fucked up that Harden thing, maybe they can hang onto Milton? Probably not. I know I'm probably one of 5 Cub fans who actually want him retained, but I would think it would make more money sense to hang on to him for $10 million than to pick up, say, Burrell, for $15 million or so (His contract plus a good chunk of Milton's). Burrell is shitty and Milton is not. Worn out his welcome in Chicago? Who gives a shit? The fans will probably hate him. They won't stop coming to the park. If someone boycotts them, there will be another schmoe ready to take his/her seats. Clubhouse shit? Fuck that, too. Read this that MB21 of ACB wrote on Kaplan's blog a while back. (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2009/11/back-from-vacation--random-thoughts.html#comment-131904) It's pretty dead on:

QuoteAlso, chemistry probably has more to do with winning and losing. Players have more fun winning and it will create an exciting environment for all the players. Losing sucks and it will bring out the worst in people.

I don't know how much value chemistry has, but I do know that most managers and general managers have said that it doesn't matter. I also find it hard to believe that Player A is performing worse because Player B is an ass. That's actually something we could verify and I might actually look into it if you were to provide me with 20 or 30 players who are supposedly clubhouse cancers. If people say who they are we can find out if they have any impact on performance.

Think about it, Dave. If you could tell your boss that your performance was lacking because Joe was an ass, what do you think he would say? People can't do that. That's not what happens in real life. We all deal with asses nearly every day of our lives. If you work in a company that has more than a few employees you're working with someone who would be considered a clubhouse cancer. I'm assuming that you couldn't go tell your boss that your poor performance was Joe's fault. As people we have learned how to perform being around those types of people. We've had to. We could not function if we didn't have that ability.

Why are these guys different? Why are athletes so different from carpenters or accountants? They all work with people they'd rather not and they cannot excuse their performance by blaming another.

I do believe that a positive work environment is best, but that's just an opinion. It very well could be the exact opposite of what people think today. It's very possible that 25 guys as friends and buddies perform worse than 25 guys who hate each other's guts. I would not think that would be the case, but I don't know.

I know that many things that were considered common knowledge about baseball have been found untrue. Because of that, I cannot accept as fact that chemistry affects performance. I certainly have an opinion about it. If Joe is having problems performing because of Jack then I'm firing Joe. We have to perform under pressure in our lives and part of that is dealing with these types of people. If you cannot do that, you are the one that should be fired. That's my opinion. I have no idea whether any of it is true or if that's the best thing to do or not. I don't know either way and until someone proves it or disproves it I am going to assume that chemistry is of minimal to no value.

So fuck that stupid myth about team chemistry. Fuck it with the power of the 9 year decade.


Milton Bradley sucks at baseball.  Bottom line.  Who gives a fuck about how big of a morgan he is?  Get him the shit out of town.  Give it up Yeti, you're wrong.

So, who do you want? Sam Fuld? Reed Johnson?

Raul Ibanez

I also wanted that mauer kid over that flaming vag from southern cal.

If you did you were prescient.  Should have gone to the track that day.

That draft was Prior/Teixera, Teixera/Prior.  Don't kid yourself.  The Twinkies took Mauer because there'd have been no way for them to sign the other 2.  We come here as an escape from self-congratulatory revisionism.  Well, I do at least.  In small part.  Well, maybe not at all but let's stop spreading falsehoods, m'kay?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 02, 2009, 12:25:51 PM
Quote from: BBM on December 02, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 02, 2009, 07:49:35 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 05:22:32 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 01, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 01, 2009, 04:33:09 PM
Well, since the Cubs fucked up that Harden thing, maybe they can hang onto Milton? Probably not. I know I'm probably one of 5 Cub fans who actually want him retained, but I would think it would make more money sense to hang on to him for $10 million than to pick up, say, Burrell, for $15 million or so (His contract plus a good chunk of Milton's). Burrell is shitty and Milton is not. Worn out his welcome in Chicago? Who gives a shit? The fans will probably hate him. They won't stop coming to the park. If someone boycotts them, there will be another schmoe ready to take his/her seats. Clubhouse shit? Fuck that, too. Read this that MB21 of ACB wrote on Kaplan's blog a while back. (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2009/11/back-from-vacation--random-thoughts.html#comment-131904) It's pretty dead on:

QuoteAlso, chemistry probably has more to do with winning and losing. Players have more fun winning and it will create an exciting environment for all the players. Losing sucks and it will bring out the worst in people.

I don't know how much value chemistry has, but I do know that most managers and general managers have said that it doesn't matter. I also find it hard to believe that Player A is performing worse because Player B is an ass. That's actually something we could verify and I might actually look into it if you were to provide me with 20 or 30 players who are supposedly clubhouse cancers. If people say who they are we can find out if they have any impact on performance.

Think about it, Dave. If you could tell your boss that your performance was lacking because Joe was an ass, what do you think he would say? People can't do that. That's not what happens in real life. We all deal with asses nearly every day of our lives. If you work in a company that has more than a few employees you're working with someone who would be considered a clubhouse cancer. I'm assuming that you couldn't go tell your boss that your poor performance was Joe's fault. As people we have learned how to perform being around those types of people. We've had to. We could not function if we didn't have that ability.

Why are these guys different? Why are athletes so different from carpenters or accountants? They all work with people they'd rather not and they cannot excuse their performance by blaming another.

I do believe that a positive work environment is best, but that's just an opinion. It very well could be the exact opposite of what people think today. It's very possible that 25 guys as friends and buddies perform worse than 25 guys who hate each other's guts. I would not think that would be the case, but I don't know.

I know that many things that were considered common knowledge about baseball have been found untrue. Because of that, I cannot accept as fact that chemistry affects performance. I certainly have an opinion about it. If Joe is having problems performing because of Jack then I'm firing Joe. We have to perform under pressure in our lives and part of that is dealing with these types of people. If you cannot do that, you are the one that should be fired. That's my opinion. I have no idea whether any of it is true or if that's the best thing to do or not. I don't know either way and until someone proves it or disproves it I am going to assume that chemistry is of minimal to no value.

So fuck that stupid myth about team chemistry. Fuck it with the power of the 9 year decade.


Milton Bradley sucks at baseball.  Bottom line.  Who gives a fuck about how big of a morgan he is?  Get him the shit out of town.  Give it up Yeti, you're wrong.

So, who do you want? Sam Fuld? Reed Johnson?

Raul Ibanez

I also wanted that mauer teixeira kid over that flaming vag from southern cal.

Huey FACE'd.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on December 02, 2009, 01:02:56 PM
After reading the last several pages of this thread, I'm depressed about the 2010 Cubs.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on December 02, 2009, 01:35:51 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 02, 2009, 12:25:02 PM
That draft was Prior/Teixera, Teixera/Prior.  Don't kid yourself.  The Twinkies took Mauer because there'd have been no way for them to sign the other 2.  We come here as an escape from self-congratulatory revisionism.  Well, I do at least.  In small part.  Well, maybe not at all but let's stop spreading falsehoods, m'kay?

For the Cubs it was Prior-Teixeira, Mauer would have gone to the Rays or Phillies at 3 or 4, if he hadn't gone one.  (They took the immortals Dewon Brazelton and Gavin Floyd).  The Cubs were all over Tex until they flopped so spectacularly at the end of 2000 that they ended up in Prior range.

But Mauer was more than just a hometown hero.  He was a bonafide stud in high school, and the only concern any team had was that he'd signed a football scholarship to play QB at FSU and that he'd charge extra to buy him out of it.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on December 02, 2009, 01:43:28 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 02, 2009, 01:35:51 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 02, 2009, 12:25:02 PM
That draft was Prior/Teixera, Teixera/Prior.  Don't kid yourself.  The Twinkies took Mauer because there'd have been no way for them to sign the other 2.  We come here as an escape from self-congratulatory revisionism.  Well, I do at least.  In small part.  Well, maybe not at all but let's stop spreading falsehoods, m'kay?

For the Cubs it was Prior-Teixeira, Mauer would have gone to the Rays or Phillies at 3 or 4, if he hadn't gone one.  (They took the immortals Dewon Brazelton and Gavin Floyd).  The Cubs were all over Tex until they flopped so spectacularly at the end of 2000 that they ended up in Prior range.

But Mauer was more than just a hometown hero.  He was a bonafide stud in high school, and the only concern any team had was that he'd signed a football scholarship to play QB at FSU and that he'd charge extra to buy him out of it.



Still.  Even if Mauer was rated third through fifth, the fact remains that Prior and Texiera comprised the two-person elite class of that draft.  Perhaps it was a lucky coincidence that Mauer was from St. Paul but if signability wasn't an issue, the Twins would have taken one of the other two.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 02, 2009, 01:50:37 PM
Isn't there a good possibility that BBM was totally kidding?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on December 02, 2009, 01:51:52 PM
No, I'm saying the only team in the top four who was projected to take Tex over Mauer was the Cubs, because they were in a 30 year cycle of having shit third basemen.

Everybody knew Teixiera was good, but Mauer was the 6'5 lefty hitting catching prospect from the gods.  

I think most teams had it:
1. Prior
2. Mauer
3. Tex


Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 02, 2009, 01:55:07 PM
Seriously, this thread sucks.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 02, 2009, 02:22:17 PM
The Cubs let some guys go, and they'll be able to replace them with guys of equal or greater value for equal or less money with relatively little problem.

And anyone who says they didn't have a boner over Prior from Draft Day 2001 up until at least the end of the 2004 season is a damn liar.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on December 02, 2009, 02:23:24 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 02, 2009, 01:55:07 PM
Seriously, this thread sucks.

So will the 2010 Cubs.  The thread is perfect.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on December 02, 2009, 04:25:08 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 02, 2009, 02:23:24 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 02, 2009, 01:55:07 PM
Seriously, this thread sucks.

So will the 2010 Cubs.  The thread is perfect.

I hate the way InternetChuck backs his favorite team.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on December 02, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
Sweet, now the 2012 Cubs can get swept in four games instead of three once Jimbo gets Brian Roberts, Jake Peavy, Curtis Granderson, and Roy Halladay! (And signs them to lifetime contracts) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-playersunion-weiner&prov=ap&type=lgns)

QuotePlayers would like to see the first round of playoffs expand to best-of-seven when their next labor contract starts in 2012, Michael Weiner said Wednesday in his first news conference since replacing Donald Fehr as the union head.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 02, 2009, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
Sweet, now the 2012 Cubs can get swept in four games instead of three once Jimbo gets Brian Roberts, Jake Peavy, Curtis Granderson, and Roy Halladay! (And signs them to lifetime contracts) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-playersunion-weiner&prov=ap&type=lgns)

QuotePlayers would like to see the first round of playoffs expand to best-of-seven when their next labor contract starts in 2012, Michael Weiner said Wednesday in his first news conference since replacing Donald Fehr as the union head.

Whatever happened to TW? Or are you him? I need closure.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on December 02, 2009, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
Sweet, now the 2012 Cubs can get swept in four games instead of three once Jimbo gets Brian Roberts, Jake Peavy, Curtis Granderson, and Roy Halladay! (And signs them to lifetime contracts) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-playersunion-weiner&prov=ap&type=lgns)

QuotePlayers would like to see the first round of playoffs expand to best-of-seven when their next labor contract starts in 2012, Michael Weiner said Wednesday in his first news conference since replacing Donald Fehr as the union head.

Whatever happened to TW? Or are you him? I need closure.

What's TW?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 02, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
Sweet, now the 2012 Cubs can get swept in four games instead of three once Jimbo gets Brian Roberts, Jake Peavy, Curtis Granderson, and Roy Halladay! (And signs them to lifetime contracts) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-playersunion-weiner&prov=ap&type=lgns)

QuotePlayers would like to see the first round of playoffs expand to best-of-seven when their next labor contract starts in 2012, Michael Weiner said Wednesday in his first news conference since replacing Donald Fehr as the union head.

Whatever happened to TW? Or are you him? I need closure.

What's TW?

If you were it, you'd know.

(http://a.espncdn.com/i/magazine/new/todd_walker.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 02, 2009, 07:42:03 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 02, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
Sweet, now the 2012 Cubs can get swept in four games instead of three once Jimbo gets Brian Roberts, Jake Peavy, Curtis Granderson, and Roy Halladay! (And signs them to lifetime contracts) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-playersunion-weiner&prov=ap&type=lgns)

QuotePlayers would like to see the first round of playoffs expand to best-of-seven when their next labor contract starts in 2012, Michael Weiner said Wednesday in his first news conference since replacing Donald Fehr as the union head.

Whatever happened to TW? Or are you him? I need closure.

What's TW?

If you were it, you'd know.

(http://a.espncdn.com/i/magazine/new/todd_walker.jpg)

So he's gone? Well then who was C-C-Cats before? Or is he new? I mean there are like 12 dudes that post here. I should be able to figure this out.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on December 02, 2009, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 07:42:03 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 02, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
Sweet, now the 2012 Cubs can get swept in four games instead of three once Jimbo gets Brian Roberts, Jake Peavy, Curtis Granderson, and Roy Halladay! (And signs them to lifetime contracts) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-playersunion-weiner&prov=ap&type=lgns)

QuotePlayers would like to see the first round of playoffs expand to best-of-seven when their next labor contract starts in 2012, Michael Weiner said Wednesday in his first news conference since replacing Donald Fehr as the union head.

Whatever happened to TW? Or are you him? I need closure.

What's TW?

If you were it, you'd know.

(http://a.espncdn.com/i/magazine/new/todd_walker.jpg)

So he's gone? Well then who was C-C-Cats before? Or is he new? I mean there are like 12 dudes that post here. I should be able to figure this out.

If some slakys hadn't have cancelled their ShoutBox Platinum Plus Membership, they'd know by now.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 02, 2009, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 02, 2009, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 07:42:03 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 02, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
Sweet, now the 2012 Cubs can get swept in four games instead of three once Jimbo gets Brian Roberts, Jake Peavy, Curtis Granderson, and Roy Halladay! (And signs them to lifetime contracts) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-playersunion-weiner&prov=ap&type=lgns)

QuotePlayers would like to see the first round of playoffs expand to best-of-seven when their next labor contract starts in 2012, Michael Weiner said Wednesday in his first news conference since replacing Donald Fehr as the union head.

Whatever happened to TW? Or are you him? I need closure.

What's TW?

If you were it, you'd know.

(http://a.espncdn.com/i/magazine/new/todd_walker.jpg)

So he's gone? Well then who was C-C-Cats before? Or is he new? I mean there are like 12 dudes that post here. I should be able to figure this out.

If some slakys hadn't have cancelled their ShoutBox Platinum Plus Membership, they'd know by now.

Which part of my incoherent line of questioning would I know? The TW story? The who and why of C-C-Cats?

We can't change the past Huey, but together we can make a better tomorrow.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on December 02, 2009, 08:16:48 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 02, 2009, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 07:42:03 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 02, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
Sweet, now the 2012 Cubs can get swept in four games instead of three once Jimbo gets Brian Roberts, Jake Peavy, Curtis Granderson, and Roy Halladay! (And signs them to lifetime contracts) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-playersunion-weiner&prov=ap&type=lgns)

QuotePlayers would like to see the first round of playoffs expand to best-of-seven when their next labor contract starts in 2012, Michael Weiner said Wednesday in his first news conference since replacing Donald Fehr as the union head.

Whatever happened to TW? Or are you him? I need closure.

What's TW?

If you were it, you'd know.

(http://a.espncdn.com/i/magazine/new/todd_walker.jpg)

So he's gone? Well then who was C-C-Cats before? Or is he new? I mean there are like 12 dudes that post here. I should be able to figure this out.

If some slakys hadn't have cancelled their ShoutBox Platinum Plus Membership, they'd know by now.

Which part of my incoherent line of questioning would I know? The TW story? The who and why of C-C-Cats?

We can't change the past Huey, but together we can make a better tomorrow.

I was PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey, then I switched to B-B-Bears (the other two B's are for bonertime) but then they sucked so now I'm C-C-Cats, since they actually have a winning record.  Never heard of TW.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 02, 2009, 08:39:32 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 08:16:48 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 02, 2009, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 07:42:03 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 02, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
Sweet, now the 2012 Cubs can get swept in four games instead of three once Jimbo gets Brian Roberts, Jake Peavy, Curtis Granderson, and Roy Halladay! (And signs them to lifetime contracts) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-playersunion-weiner&prov=ap&type=lgns)

QuotePlayers would like to see the first round of playoffs expand to best-of-seven when their next labor contract starts in 2012, Michael Weiner said Wednesday in his first news conference since replacing Donald Fehr as the union head.

Whatever happened to TW? Or are you him? I need closure.

What's TW?

If you were it, you'd know.

(http://a.espncdn.com/i/magazine/new/todd_walker.jpg)

So he's gone? Well then who was C-C-Cats before? Or is he new? I mean there are like 12 dudes that post here. I should be able to figure this out.

If some slakys hadn't have cancelled their ShoutBox Platinum Plus Membership, they'd know by now.

Which part of my incoherent line of questioning would I know? The TW story? The who and why of C-C-Cats?

We can't change the past Huey, but together we can make a better tomorrow.

I was PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey, then I switched to B-B-Bears (the other two B's are for bonertime) but then they sucked so now I'm C-C-Cats, since they actually have a winning record.  Never heard of TW.

Yeah, that makes sense now. On to mystery number 2.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on December 02, 2009, 09:16:33 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 08:39:32 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 08:16:48 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 02, 2009, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 07:42:03 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 02, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
Sweet, now the 2012 Cubs can get swept in four games instead of three once Jimbo gets Brian Roberts, Jake Peavy, Curtis Granderson, and Roy Halladay! (And signs them to lifetime contracts) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-playersunion-weiner&prov=ap&type=lgns)

QuotePlayers would like to see the first round of playoffs expand to best-of-seven when their next labor contract starts in 2012, Michael Weiner said Wednesday in his first news conference since replacing Donald Fehr as the union head.

Whatever happened to TW? Or are you him? I need closure.

What's TW?

If you were it, you'd know.

(http://a.espncdn.com/i/magazine/new/todd_walker.jpg)

So he's gone? Well then who was C-C-Cats before? Or is he new? I mean there are like 12 dudes that post here. I should be able to figure this out.

If some slakys hadn't have cancelled their ShoutBox Platinum Plus Membership, they'd know by now.

Which part of my incoherent line of questioning would I know? The TW story? The who and why of C-C-Cats?

We can't change the past Huey, but together we can make a better tomorrow.

I was PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey, then I switched to B-B-Bears (the other two B's are for bonertime) but then they sucked so now I'm C-C-Cats, since they actually have a winning record.  Never heard of TW.

Yeah, that makes sense now. On to mystery number 2.

I see some corn in there, and something else that looks like a fingernail. Mysterious indeed.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 02, 2009, 09:20:17 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 02, 2009, 09:16:33 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 08:39:32 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 08:16:48 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 02, 2009, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 07:42:03 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 02, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
Sweet, now the 2012 Cubs can get swept in four games instead of three once Jimbo gets Brian Roberts, Jake Peavy, Curtis Granderson, and Roy Halladay! (And signs them to lifetime contracts) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-playersunion-weiner&prov=ap&type=lgns)

QuotePlayers would like to see the first round of playoffs expand to best-of-seven when their next labor contract starts in 2012, Michael Weiner said Wednesday in his first news conference since replacing Donald Fehr as the union head.

Whatever happened to TW? Or are you him? I need closure.

What's TW?

If you were it, you'd know.

(http://a.espncdn.com/i/magazine/new/todd_walker.jpg)

So he's gone? Well then who was C-C-Cats before? Or is he new? I mean there are like 12 dudes that post here. I should be able to figure this out.

If some slakys hadn't have cancelled their ShoutBox Platinum Plus Membership, they'd know by now.

Which part of my incoherent line of questioning would I know? The TW story? The who and why of C-C-Cats?

We can't change the past Huey, but together we can make a better tomorrow.

I was PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey, then I switched to B-B-Bears (the other two B's are for bonertime) but then they sucked so now I'm C-C-Cats, since they actually have a winning record.  Never heard of TW.

Yeah, that makes sense now. On to mystery number 2.

I see some corn in there, and something else that looks like a fingernail. Mysterious indeed.

Any wolf hair?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 02, 2009, 09:25:00 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 09:20:17 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 02, 2009, 09:16:33 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 08:39:32 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 08:16:48 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 02, 2009, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 07:42:03 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 02, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 02, 2009, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 02, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
Sweet, now the 2012 Cubs can get swept in four games instead of three once Jimbo gets Brian Roberts, Jake Peavy, Curtis Granderson, and Roy Halladay! (And signs them to lifetime contracts) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-playersunion-weiner&prov=ap&type=lgns)

QuotePlayers would like to see the first round of playoffs expand to best-of-seven when their next labor contract starts in 2012, Michael Weiner said Wednesday in his first news conference since replacing Donald Fehr as the union head.

Whatever happened to TW? Or are you him? I need closure.

What's TW?

If you were it, you'd know.

(http://a.espncdn.com/i/magazine/new/todd_walker.jpg)

So he's gone? Well then who was C-C-Cats before? Or is he new? I mean there are like 12 dudes that post here. I should be able to figure this out.

If some slakys hadn't have cancelled their ShoutBox Platinum Plus Membership, they'd know by now.

Which part of my incoherent line of questioning would I know? The TW story? The who and why of C-C-Cats?

We can't change the past Huey, but together we can make a better tomorrow.

I was PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey, then I switched to B-B-Bears (the other two B's are for bonertime) but then they sucked so now I'm C-C-Cats, since they actually have a winning record.  Never heard of TW.

Yeah, that makes sense now. On to mystery number 2.

I see some corn in there, and something else that looks like a fingernail. Mysterious indeed.

Any wolf hair?

Wolf hair? No.

Wolf horns? Yes. (Strangely.)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BBM on December 02, 2009, 10:28:31 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 02, 2009, 01:50:37 PM
Isn't there a good possibility that BBM was totally kidding?

Improbable.  You probably believe there's not a curse and Sam Fuld is terrible 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on December 02, 2009, 10:56:18 PM
Quote from: BBM on December 02, 2009, 10:28:31 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 02, 2009, 01:50:37 PM
Isn't there a good possibility that BBM was totally kidding?

Improbable.  You probably believe there's not a curse and Sam Fuld is terrible 

Allow me to apologize for calling you out on Mauer myth-making.  I've ingested a lot of chemicals in my life, so i guess I just I can't remember Mauer being THAT highly touted.  Anyway, please forgive my Leo Gomez-loving heart.

And Fork is right, but fuck Mark Prior.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 03, 2009, 09:32:51 AM
I was wondering just last week about TW/ADC.  I miss that dude.  Unless he's still here, in disguise.  If that's the case, "Whaddup, TW?"
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 03, 2009, 10:08:43 AM
I miss Lonestar.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 03, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 03, 2009, 09:32:51 AM
I was wondering just last week about TW/ADC.  I miss that dude.  Unless he's still here, in disguise.  If that's the case, "Whaddup, TW?"

I'm more than a little concerned. Also, remember your pal Brian that used to argue with Notre Dame with you? Those were always awesome.

We've lost some good men around here.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 03, 2009, 10:15:49 AM
I remember ADC talking about getting laid off and then he went off the grid. Not good times. Please check in. I know we've had our disagreements but it's ok because you were wrong and I was right. I can live with that.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 03, 2009, 10:32:30 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 03, 2009, 10:15:49 AM
I remember ADC talking about getting laid off and then he went off the grid. Not good times. Please check in. I know we've had our disagreements but it's ok because you were wrong and I was right. I can live with that.

Yeah, but I also think he talked about health issues here and there.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on December 03, 2009, 10:32:44 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 03, 2009, 10:08:43 AM
I miss Lonestar.

I miss Puma PPE.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on December 03, 2009, 10:56:50 AM
I miss Bort and powen even more than Slaky misses Doc.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 03, 2009, 11:01:44 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2009, 10:56:50 AM
I miss Bort and powen even more than Slaky misses Doc.

Oh yeah, Doc. I need to be called a faggot in panhandler slang. It's been too long.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 03, 2009, 11:06:44 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 03, 2009, 10:32:30 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 03, 2009, 10:15:49 AM
I remember ADC talking about getting laid off and then he went off the grid. Not good times. Please check in. I know we've had our disagreements but it's ok because you were wrong and I was right. I can live with that.

Yeah, but I also think he talked about health issues here and there.

Jesus, Slak, now I'm legitimately concerned.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: flannj on December 03, 2009, 11:14:36 AM
We've been hearing far too little from Tonk lately for my liking.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Richard Chuggar on December 03, 2009, 11:21:36 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 03, 2009, 11:06:44 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 03, 2009, 10:32:30 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 03, 2009, 10:15:49 AM
I remember ADC talking about getting laid off and then he went off the grid. Not good times. Please check in. I know we've had our disagreements but it's ok because you were wrong and I was right. I can live with that.

Yeah, but I also think he talked about health issues here and there.

Jesus, Slak, now I'm legitimately concerned.

Me too.  I hope Apex and Slak start dating again.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 03, 2009, 11:22:20 AM
Roosevelt Brown.

Wait, what thread is this?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 03, 2009, 11:24:09 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 03, 2009, 11:21:36 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 03, 2009, 11:06:44 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 03, 2009, 10:32:30 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 03, 2009, 10:15:49 AM
I remember ADC talking about getting laid off and then he went off the grid. Not good times. Please check in. I know we've had our disagreements but it's ok because you were wrong and I was right. I can live with that.

Yeah, but I also think he talked about health issues here and there.

Jesus, Slak, now I'm legitimately concerned.

Me too.  I hope Apex and Slak start dating again.

When it was good, it was real good. But there were so many lows that I just couldn't take it anymore. I've got the scars to prove it. And the stretchmarks.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 03, 2009, 11:25:07 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 03, 2009, 11:24:09 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 03, 2009, 11:21:36 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 03, 2009, 11:06:44 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 03, 2009, 10:32:30 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 03, 2009, 10:15:49 AM
I remember ADC talking about getting laid off and then he went off the grid. Not good times. Please check in. I know we've had our disagreements but it's ok because you were wrong and I was right. I can live with that.

Yeah, but I also think he talked about health issues here and there.

Jesus, Slak, now I'm legitimately concerned.

Me too.  I hope Apex and Slak start dating again.

When it was good, it was real good. But there were so many lows that I just couldn't take it anymore. I've got the scars to prove it. And the stretchmarks.

Sometimes love just hurts so much.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: SKO on December 03, 2009, 11:56:01 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 03, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 03, 2009, 09:32:51 AM
I was wondering just last week about TW/ADC.  I miss that dude.  Unless he's still here, in disguise.  If that's the case, "Whaddup, TW?"

I'm more than a little concerned. Also, remember your pal Brian that used to argue with Notre Dame with you? Those were always awesome.

We've lost some good men around here.

Everyone is here that has always been here. There most certainly have Not been any sort of purges. On an unrelated note, please leave your door unlocked tonight. It just makes things easier.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on December 03, 2009, 12:37:59 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 03, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 03, 2009, 09:32:51 AM
I was wondering just last week about TW/ADC.  I miss that dude.  Unless he's still here, in disguise.  If that's the case, "Whaddup, TW?"

I'm more than a little concerned. Also, remember your pal Brian that used to argue with Notre Dame with you? Those were always awesome.

We've lost some good men around here.

I'm afraid that we scared Brian off after Fork, Apex, Slaky and I sat in his seats for the makeup game against the Cardinals in '07 when we began a pretty robust "HGH" chant from those seats and were otherwise a little too ruffian for his seatneighbors. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=5424.msg110364#msg110364)

My seatneighbors (same section as Brian), on the other hand, know I'm an asshole so we're still okay there.

And I still long for Jake Potter.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 03, 2009, 01:04:06 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 03, 2009, 12:37:59 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 03, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 03, 2009, 09:32:51 AM
I was wondering just last week about TW/ADC.  I miss that dude.  Unless he's still here, in disguise.  If that's the case, "Whaddup, TW?"

I'm more than a little concerned. Also, remember your pal Brian that used to argue with Notre Dame with you? Those were always awesome.

We've lost some good men around here.

I'm afraid that we scared Brian off after Fork, Apex, Slaky and I sat in his seats for the makeup game against the Cardinals in '07 when we began a pretty robust "HGH" chant from those seats and were otherwise a little too ruffian for his seatneighbors. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=5424.msg110364#msg110364)

My seatneighbors (same section as Brian), on the other hand, know I'm an asshole so we're still okay there.

And I still long for Jake Potter.

We did not behave that day. It resulted in the infamous destruction of Steve Garvey's face. And then some pizza.

Good times had by all.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on December 03, 2009, 01:30:24 PM
This (http://cubsrumorsandnews.blogspot.com/) site keeps getting better.
At least I think it does, I have no idea what half of it is trying to say.

"Some media members think not offer arbitration to Harden was the right thing considering he would have to turn down 10 million for next season which he is not expected to get on the open market."

"The Daily Herald stats there is some optimism that a deal could get done at the meetings next week with Texas or Tampa for Bradley."



Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 03, 2009, 01:31:43 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 03, 2009, 01:04:06 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 03, 2009, 12:37:59 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 03, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 03, 2009, 09:32:51 AM
I was wondering just last week about TW/ADC.  I miss that dude.  Unless he's still here, in disguise.  If that's the case, "Whaddup, TW?"

I'm more than a little concerned. Also, remember your pal Brian that used to argue with Notre Dame with you? Those were always awesome.

We've lost some good men around here.

I'm afraid that we scared Brian off after Fork, Apex, Slaky and I sat in his seats for the makeup game against the Cardinals in '07 when we began a pretty robust "HGH" chant from those seats and were otherwise a little too ruffian for his seatneighbors. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=5424.msg110364#msg110364)

My seatneighbors (same section as Brian), on the other hand, know I'm an asshole so we're still okay there.

And I still long for Jake Potter.

We did not behave that day. It resulted in the infamous destruction of Steve Garvey's face. And then some pizza.

Good times had by all.

Let we forget the mustard bukkake.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 03, 2009, 01:32:36 PM
I hated Brian, and I'm glad he's gone.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 03, 2009, 02:30:45 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 03, 2009, 01:32:36 PM
I hated Brian, and I'm glad he's gone.

Well. You're welcome?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on December 03, 2009, 03:59:57 PM
Cubs will shop Jake Fox and Aaron Miles (http://espn.go.com/chicago/columns/blog/_/post/4707361/name/levine).
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on December 03, 2009, 04:08:36 PM
Quote from: BH on December 03, 2009, 03:59:57 PM
Cubs will shop Jake Fox and Aaron Miles (http://espn.go.com/chicago/columns/blog/_/post/4707361/name/levine).

For what? A piece of your left frontal muffin top?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2009, 04:12:47 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 03, 2009, 04:08:36 PM
Quote from: BH on December 03, 2009, 03:59:57 PM
Cubs will shop Jake Fox and Aaron Miles (http://espn.go.com/chicago/columns/blog/_/post/4707361/name/levine).

For what? A piece of your left frontal muffin top?

Sold.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on December 03, 2009, 04:17:52 PM
Who the fuck would give up a living, breathing professional baseball player for Miles?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 03, 2009, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 03, 2009, 04:17:52 PM
Who the fuck would give up a living, breathing professional baseball player for Miles?

I'm sure Hendry probably would.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2009, 04:55:07 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 03, 2009, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 03, 2009, 04:17:52 PM
Who the fuck would give up a living, breathing professional baseball player for Miles?

I'm sure Hendry probably would.

Nah.  Only dollars.  Lotsa, lotsa dollars.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 03, 2009, 05:17:24 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 03, 2009, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 03, 2009, 04:17:52 PM
Who the fuck would give up a living, breathing professional baseball player for Miles?

I'm sure Hendry probably would.

Or Billy Beane.  Time to rejoice, Ogdens!  Miles and Foxy are gone:

QuoteAccording to ESPN Chicago, the Cubs have traded Jake Fox and Aaron Miles to the A's for right-hander Jeff Gray and "prospects."
Few details have been revealed, though this is certainly an odd one. Fox was stuck behind a few players on Chicago's depth chart and should get a better crack at playing time in Oakland. That part of the deal makes sense. But it's a wonder why GM Billy Beane and Co. would want Miles. Dec. 3 - 6:09 pm et
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on December 03, 2009, 05:25:31 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 03, 2009, 05:17:24 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 03, 2009, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 03, 2009, 04:17:52 PM
Who the fuck would give up a living, breathing professional baseball player for Miles?

I'm sure Hendry probably would.

Or Billy Beane.  Time to rejoice, Ogdens!  Miles and Foxy are gone:

QuoteAccording to ESPN Chicago, the Cubs have traded Jake Fox and Aaron Miles to the A's for right-hander Jeff Gray and "prospects."
Few details have been revealed, though this is certainly an odd one. Fox was stuck behind a few players on Chicago's depth chart and should get a better crack at playing time in Oakland. That part of the deal makes sense. But it's a wonder why GM Billy Beane and Co. would want Miles. Dec. 3 - 6:09 pm et

Holy flaming balls of scat. This is most excellent news. Hooray!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 03, 2009, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2009, 05:25:31 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 03, 2009, 05:17:24 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 03, 2009, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 03, 2009, 04:17:52 PM
Who the fuck would give up a living, breathing professional baseball player for Miles?

I'm sure Hendry probably would.

Or Billy Beane.  Time to rejoice, Ogdens!  Miles and Foxy are gone:

QuoteAccording to ESPN Chicago, the Cubs have traded Jake Fox and Aaron Miles to the A's for right-hander Jeff Gray and "prospects."
Few details have been revealed, though this is certainly an odd one. Fox was stuck behind a few players on Chicago's depth chart and should get a better crack at playing time in Oakland. That part of the deal makes sense. But it's a wonder why GM Billy Beane and Co. would want Miles. Dec. 3 - 6:09 pm et

Holy flaming balls of scat. This is most excellent news. Hooray!

This is almost on par with Hendry's trade for Aramis and Lofton.  From what I've heard, Oakland is also taking on nearly $2 million of Miles' salary.  What the fuck is that Sabrefaggot thinking?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on December 03, 2009, 05:29:53 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 03, 2009, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2009, 05:25:31 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 03, 2009, 05:17:24 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 03, 2009, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 03, 2009, 04:17:52 PM
Who the fuck would give up a living, breathing professional baseball player for Miles?

I'm sure Hendry probably would.

Or Billy Beane.  Time to rejoice, Ogdens!  Miles and Foxy are gone:

QuoteAccording to ESPN Chicago, the Cubs have traded Jake Fox and Aaron Miles to the A's for right-hander Jeff Gray and "prospects."
Few details have been revealed, though this is certainly an odd one. Fox was stuck behind a few players on Chicago's depth chart and should get a better crack at playing time in Oakland. That part of the deal makes sense. But it's a wonder why GM Billy Beane and Co. would want Miles. Dec. 3 - 6:09 pm et

Holy flaming balls of scat. This is most excellent news. Hooray!

This is almost on par with Hendry's trade for Aramis and Lofton.  From what I've heard, Oakland is also taking on nearly $2 million of Miles' salary.  What the fuck is that Sabrefaggot thinking?

He must really, really, really like Jay Kfox if he was willing to take that pint-size shitbird off Hendry's hands.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 03, 2009, 05:34:34 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2009, 05:29:53 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 03, 2009, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2009, 05:25:31 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 03, 2009, 05:17:24 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 03, 2009, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 03, 2009, 04:17:52 PM
Who the fuck would give up a living, breathing professional baseball player for Miles?

I'm sure Hendry probably would.

Or Billy Beane.  Time to rejoice, Ogdens!  Miles and Foxy are gone:

QuoteAccording to ESPN Chicago, the Cubs have traded Jake Fox and Aaron Miles to the A's for right-hander Jeff Gray and "prospects."
Few details have been revealed, though this is certainly an odd one. Fox was stuck behind a few players on Chicago's depth chart and should get a better crack at playing time in Oakland. That part of the deal makes sense. But it's a wonder why GM Billy Beane and Co. would want Miles. Dec. 3 - 6:09 pm et

Holy flaming balls of scat. This is most excellent news. Hooray!

This is almost on par with Hendry's trade for Aramis and Lofton.  From what I've heard, Oakland is also taking on nearly $2 million of Miles' salary.  What the fuck is that Sabrefaggot thinking?

He must really, really, really like Jay Kfox if he was willing to take that pint-size shitbird off Hendry's hands.

The Cubs' bench looks really terrible for 2010, but I'm sure Hendry can find a replacement with the cash.  Good news is, his only active similar hitter (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/carroja01.shtml) is a free agent.  Make it happen, Jim!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 03, 2009, 05:37:57 PM
DPD

Looks like the three players the Cubs got are RHP Jeff Gray (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grayje02.shtml), RHP Ronny Morla and INF/OF Matt Spencer.

QuoteMorla, 21, posted a 4.86 ERA at Single-A in 2009. Spencer, 22, hit .294/.347/.461 at Double-A.

Spencer's stats:

Quote2008 22 A Sto 41 168 56 12 1 8 27 30 7 1 6 39 .333 .376 .560 .936
2008 22 A Cle 84 305 76 12 3 6 41 39 5 1 30 66 .249 .317 .367 .684
2009 23 A Sto 30 117 32 5 0 10 29 20 3 1 12 15 .274 .338 .573 .911
2009 23 AA MID 93 371 109 29 3 9 62 59 2 3 26 75 .294 .347 .461 .808

Gray's report:

QuoteGray is a hard-throwing reliever who led all A's minor leaguers with 15 saves in 2007. He was a starter until mid-way through the 2006 season, but has found a lot of success out of the bullpen since making the switch. In 2007, Gray posted a 3.34 ERA in 67.1 innings for Double-A Midland and Triple-A Sacramento. He had 57 strike-outs and allowed only two homers.

Gray appeared in the 2007 Arizona Fall League and posted a 5.68 ERA in 12.2 innings. He was added to the A's 40-man roster in November 2007.
Scout.com
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on December 03, 2009, 05:47:46 PM
CRG:

QuoteThe Cubs and Cardinals are in the lead to sign free-agent hurler Vicente Padilla, according to a report from La Prensa passed along by Diamond Notes.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 03, 2009, 05:53:04 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 03, 2009, 05:47:46 PM
CRG:

QuoteThe Cubs and Cardinals are in the lead to sign free-agent hurler Vicente Padilla, according to a report from La Prensa passed along by Diamond Notes.

They must not have heard that we just traded for Castle Grayskull.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: powen01 on December 03, 2009, 05:54:36 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2009, 10:56:50 AM
I miss Bort and powen even more than Slaky misses Doc.

I miss you too.  Jail is scary.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on December 03, 2009, 06:02:02 PM
Gray is a control pitcher (1.5 BB/9 in the majors) who has been pretty hittable (average stuff), and pitches to contact rather than guns for strikeouts.  Thus he'll rely on his defense to get outs.  Uh-oh.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on December 03, 2009, 06:30:54 PM
I was sitting in meetings today, thinking about the shit fest that this week had become, only to learn this news upon my return to the office.

This changes my disposition considerably.  Fuck those fucking fuckers.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 03, 2009, 06:32:56 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 03, 2009, 05:53:04 PM
They must not have heard that we just traded for Castle Grayskull.

Boo.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 03, 2009, 06:37:22 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 03, 2009, 06:32:56 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 03, 2009, 05:53:04 PM
They must not have heard that we just traded for Castle Grayskull.

Boo.

Swing and a miss.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Waco Kid on December 04, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/ex-cubs-outfielder-jacque-jones-wants-back-in.html



Don't look now, but the free agent outfield pool has become much, much stronger.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on December 04, 2009, 12:01:35 PM
A's blog (http://www.athleticsnation.com/2009/12/3/1184608/as-trade-for-jake-fox-aaron-miles#comments).

Comments.
"Miles being a homeless man's Juan Uribe makes me sad"

"Maybe Miles will better understand his role. Maybe, as an Antioch native, he will actually like playing for the Oakland A's, which is a factor ANers constantly ignore when they discuss hypothetical free agent signings. (Objectively speaking, the Oakland A's are probably one of the bottom 5 preferred free agent destinations in baseball right now. I think we have to remember that. Hence Beane's focus on trading)."

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on December 04, 2009, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on December 04, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/ex-cubs-outfielder-jacque-jones-wants-back-in.html



Don't look now, but the free agent outfield pool has become much, much stronger.

Starting in right field for your Cincinnati Reds, Jacque Jones!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on December 04, 2009, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 04, 2009, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on December 04, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/ex-cubs-outfielder-jacque-jones-wants-back-in.html



Don't look now, but the free agent outfield pool has become much, much stronger.

Starting in right field for your Cincinnati Reds, Jacque Jones!

CF has to be fast and lead off. Willy Tavaras is faster than Jock.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 05, 2009, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: BH on December 04, 2009, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 04, 2009, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on December 04, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/ex-cubs-outfielder-jacque-jones-wants-back-in.html



Don't look now, but the free agent outfield pool has become much, much stronger.

Starting in right field for your Cincinnati Reds, Jacque Jones!

CF has to be fast and lead off. Willy Tavaras is faster than Jock.

Is Mike Cameron still fast?

QuoteMike Cameron is the Cubs' top option to play center field, reports Gordon Wittenmeyer of the Chicago Sun-Times.
The only thing standing between the Cubs and Cameron is Milton Bradley, argues Wittenmeyer. If and when Bradley is moved, it sounds as if Cameron will immediately be inked, who has manager Lou Pinella's approval. The 37-year old remains an excellent fielder and is also remarkably consistent with the bat, having averaged 22 home runs and 75 RBI over the past 11 seasons with little fluctuation. The right-hander would be a great complementary player on the South Side and would come without a long-term contract attached. Things can always change, but this is one rumor that makes all the sense in the world. Marlon Byrd was also mentioned as a person of interest to the club.

I can't wait to see him patrolling CF at U.S. Wrigular Field.

Apparently there's some other rumor about the Cubs getting both Granderson and Cabrera in a trade with the Tigers.  I heard it from a friend who knows a girl who's sleeping with Andrew Cashner.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on December 05, 2009, 12:46:21 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 05, 2009, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: BH on December 04, 2009, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 04, 2009, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on December 04, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/ex-cubs-outfielder-jacque-jones-wants-back-in.html



Don't look now, but the free agent outfield pool has become much, much stronger.

Starting in right field for your Cincinnati Reds, Jacque Jones!

CF has to be fast and lead off. Willy Tavaras is faster than Jock.

Is Mike Cameron still fast?

QuoteMike Cameron is the Cubs' top option to play center field, reports Gordon Wittenmeyer of the Chicago Sun-Times.
The only thing standing between the Cubs and Cameron is Milton Bradley, argues Wittenmeyer. If and when Bradley is moved, it sounds as if Cameron will immediately be inked, who has manager Lou Pinella's approval. The 37-year old remains an excellent fielder and is also remarkably consistent with the bat, having averaged 22 home runs and 75 RBI over the past 11 seasons with little fluctuation. The right-hander would be a great complementary player on the South Side and would come without a long-term contract attached. Things can always change, but this is one rumor that makes all the sense in the world. Marlon Byrd was also mentioned as a person of interest to the club.

I can't wait to see him patrolling CF at U.S. Wrigular Field.

Apparently there's some other rumor about the Cubs getting both Granderson and Cabrera in a trade with the Tigers.  I heard it from a friend who knows a girl who's sleeping with Andrew Cashner.

Mike Cameron would be a valuable asset to have. He's not a phenomenal player but he's pretty good. He does K a lot (I'm sure the Wrigley idiots will love that) and doesn't have a high BA but he does get on base at a decent clip (.340 lifetime, league average last year was .333). I've been saying that *if* the Cubs feel that they have to trade Bradley, I wanted to see a bullpen arm or some young guys for him, move Fukkake to RF and sign Cameron for CF. He, along with Polanco, were  the ones I wanted. Polanco's gone, so Cameron's the one I'll pine for. Give him a one year deal.

On the flip side, Bill James' projections only have him at a .328 OBP, .756 OPS, and a .330 wOBA. Projections aren't perfect, but, hey, it's something
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: powen01 on December 05, 2009, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 05, 2009, 12:46:21 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 05, 2009, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: BH on December 04, 2009, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 04, 2009, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on December 04, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/ex-cubs-outfielder-jacque-jones-wants-back-in.html



Don't look now, but the free agent outfield pool has become much, much stronger.


Starting in right field for your Cincinnati Reds, Jacque Jones!

CF has to be fast and lead off. Willy Tavaras is faster than Jock.

Is Mike Cameron still fast?

QuoteMike Cameron is the Cubs' top option to play center field, reports Gordon Wittenmeyer of the Chicago Sun-Times.
The only thing standing between the Cubs and Cameron is Milton Bradley, argues Wittenmeyer. If and when Bradley is moved, it sounds as if Cameron will immediately be inked, who has manager Lou Pinella's approval. The 37-year old remains an excellent fielder and is also remarkably consistent with the bat, having averaged 22 home runs and 75 RBI over the past 11 seasons with little fluctuation. The right-hander would be a great complementary player on the South Side and would come without a long-term contract attached. Things can always change, but this is one rumor that makes all the sense in the world. Marlon Byrd was also mentioned as a person of interest to the club.

I can't wait to see him patrolling CF at U.S. Wrigular Field.

Apparently there's some other rumor about the Cubs getting both Granderson and Cabrera in a trade with the Tigers.  I heard it from a friend who knows a girl who's sleeping with Andrew Cashner.

Mike Cameron would be a valuable asset to have. He's not a phenomenal player but he's pretty good. He does K a lot (I'm sure the Wrigley idiots will love that) and doesn't have a high BA but he does get on base at a decent clip (.340 lifetime, league average last year was .333). I've been saying that *if* the Cubs feel that they have to trade Bradley, I wanted to see a bullpen arm or some young guys for him, move Fukkake to RF and sign Cameron for CF. He, along with Polanco, were  the ones I wanted. Polanco's gone, so Cameron's the one I'll pine for. Give him a one year deal.

On the flip side, Bill James' projections only have him at a .328 OBP, .756 OPS, and a .330 wOBA. Projections aren't perfect, but, hey, it's something


This ends with Mike Cameron getting 3 years, a no trade clause, way too many millions of dollars, and a newborn baby's soul to sign with the Cubs.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on December 05, 2009, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 05, 2009, 12:46:21 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 05, 2009, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: BH on December 04, 2009, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 04, 2009, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on December 04, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/ex-cubs-outfielder-jacque-jones-wants-back-in.html



Don't look now, but the free agent outfield pool has become much, much stronger.

Starting in right field for your Cincinnati Reds, Jacque Jones!

CF has to be fast and lead off. Willy Tavaras is faster than Jock.

Is Mike Cameron still fast?

QuoteMike Cameron is the Cubs' top option to play center field, reports Gordon Wittenmeyer of the Chicago Sun-Times.
The only thing standing between the Cubs and Cameron is Milton Bradley, argues Wittenmeyer. If and when Bradley is moved, it sounds as if Cameron will immediately be inked, who has manager Lou Pinella's approval. The 37-year old remains an excellent fielder and is also remarkably consistent with the bat, having averaged 22 home runs and 75 RBI over the past 11 seasons with little fluctuation. The right-hander would be a great complementary player on the South Side and would come without a long-term contract attached. Things can always change, but this is one rumor that makes all the sense in the world. Marlon Byrd was also mentioned as a person of interest to the club.

I can't wait to see him patrolling CF at U.S. Wrigular Field.

Apparently there's some other rumor about the Cubs getting both Granderson and Cabrera in a trade with the Tigers.  I heard it from a friend who knows a girl who's sleeping with Andrew Cashner.

Mike Cameron would be a valuable asset to have. He's not a phenomenal player but he's pretty good. He does K a lot (I'm sure the Wrigley idiots will love that) and doesn't have a high BA but he does get on base at a decent clip (.340 lifetime, league average last year was .333). I've been saying that *if* the Cubs feel that they have to trade Bradley, I wanted to see a bullpen arm or some young guys for him, move Fukkake to RF and sign Cameron for CF. He, along with Polanco, were  the ones I wanted. Polanco's gone, so Cameron's the one I'll pine for. Give him a one year deal.

On the flip side, Bill James' projections only have him at a .328 OBP, .756 OPS, and a .330 wOBA. Projections aren't perfect, but, hey, it's something

I approve of this SABRYeti post. They could do a lot worse than Cameron in CF for a year or two. The only downside with him is if he finally realizes he's 59 years old.

As for Polanco, he would've been a nice stopgap as well, but he's 34. If Hendry would've signed him to that 3 year deal he got, my rectum would be even more chapped than usual. Orlando Hudson anyone?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Philberto on December 05, 2009, 02:31:18 PM
Yea. The contract Polanco got was at least a year too long. Like Pen had said afterwards, 2/12 would have been fine, not 3/18 with an option for the 4th (not sure who the option is for though: club, player, or mutual).
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on December 05, 2009, 07:18:49 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 05, 2009, 02:31:18 PM
Yea. The contract Polanco got was at least a year too long. Like Pen had said afterwards, 2/12 would have been fine, not 3/18 with an option for the 4th (not sure who the option is for though: club, player, or mutual).

Eh, I think it's a smart contract.  The Philly's have a crazy good team
and Palanco makes them better for the next year or two at least.  Smart
organizations give the extra year to fill actual needs to try and win the
World Series.  The Cubs give them to Miles and Grabow and Jock and so on.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on December 05, 2009, 09:05:13 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 05, 2009, 01:49:10 PM

I approve of this SABRYeti post. They could do a lot worse than Cameron in CF for a year or two. The only downside with him is if he finally realizes he's 59 years old.


Yeah, but you know Hendry's gonna sign him to a 5 year contract.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on December 06, 2009, 01:03:35 PM
Quote from: JD on December 05, 2009, 09:05:13 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 05, 2009, 01:49:10 PM

I approve of this SABRYeti post. They could do a lot worse than Cameron in CF for a year or two. The only downside with him is if he finally realizes he's 59 years old.


Yeah, but you know Hendry's gonna sign him to a 5 year contract.

Because he has teh leaderships (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-06-cubs-chicago-dec06,0,5063743.story).

QuoteRangers outfielder Marlon Byrd is a possibility, and if Tigers outfielder Curtis Granderson is available, the Cubs will make a move. But some in the organization believe the best fit would be Brewers center fielder Mike Cameron, and not necessarily for his stellar defense or occasional power.

Cameron has been a clubhouse leader almost everywhere he has played and would be the equivalent of Eric Karros in 2003 or Cliff Floyd in '07.

QuoteWhat the Cubs lack most is a clubhouse presence that lightens the mood, takes the pressure off Lee and Theriot to be designated spokesmen and knows how to play for a demanding manager like Piniella.

Every time I visit the Tribune website, I'm reminded why I no longer subscribe.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 06, 2009, 06:40:42 PM
The Cubs have been on the verge of acquiring Marlon Byrd for at least three years. I hate him already.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on December 06, 2009, 09:34:15 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 06, 2009, 06:40:42 PM
The Cubs have been on the verge of acquiring Marlon Byrd for at least three years. I hate him already.

He and Brian Roberts bat 1-2 in the Cubs' imaginary line-up.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Waco Kid on December 07, 2009, 08:06:31 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 06, 2009, 01:03:35 PM
Quote from: JD on December 05, 2009, 09:05:13 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 05, 2009, 01:49:10 PM

I approve of this SABRYeti post. They could do a lot worse than Cameron in CF for a year or two. The only downside with him is if he finally realizes he's 59 years old.


Yeah, but you know Hendry's gonna sign him to a 5 year contract.

Because he has teh leaderships (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-06-cubs-chicago-dec06,0,5063743.story).

QuoteRangers outfielder Marlon Byrd is a possibility, and if Tigers outfielder Curtis Granderson is available, the Cubs will make a move. But some in the organization believe the best fit would be Brewers center fielder Mike Cameron, and not necessarily for his stellar defense or occasional power.

Cameron has been a clubhouse leader almost everywhere he has played and would be the equivalent of Eric Karros in 2003 or Cliff Floyd in '07.

QuoteWhat the Cubs lack most is a clubhouse presence that lightens the mood, takes the pressure off Lee and Theriot to be designated spokesmen and knows how to play for a demanding manager like Piniella.

Every time I visit the Tribune website, I'm reminded why I no longer subscribe.

Just when the Tribune gets more appealing with the loss of Rick Morrissey, it's cancelled out by this kind of Cubs' analysis.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 07, 2009, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 05, 2009, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 05, 2009, 12:46:21 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 05, 2009, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: BH on December 04, 2009, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 04, 2009, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on December 04, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/ex-cubs-outfielder-jacque-jones-wants-back-in.html



Don't look now, but the free agent outfield pool has become much, much stronger.

Starting in right field for your Cincinnati Reds, Jacque Jones!

CF has to be fast and lead off. Willy Tavaras is faster than Jock.

Is Mike Cameron still fast?

QuoteMike Cameron is the Cubs' top option to play center field, reports Gordon Wittenmeyer of the Chicago Sun-Times.
The only thing standing between the Cubs and Cameron is Milton Bradley, argues Wittenmeyer. If and when Bradley is moved, it sounds as if Cameron will immediately be inked, who has manager Lou Pinella's approval. The 37-year old remains an excellent fielder and is also remarkably consistent with the bat, having averaged 22 home runs and 75 RBI over the past 11 seasons with little fluctuation. The right-hander would be a great complementary player on the South Side and would come without a long-term contract attached. Things can always change, but this is one rumor that makes all the sense in the world. Marlon Byrd was also mentioned as a person of interest to the club.

I can't wait to see him patrolling CF at U.S. Wrigular Field.

Apparently there's some other rumor about the Cubs getting both Granderson and Cabrera in a trade with the Tigers.  I heard it from a friend who knows a girl who's sleeping with Andrew Cashner.

Mike Cameron would be a valuable asset to have. He's not a phenomenal player but he's pretty good. He does K a lot (I'm sure the Wrigley idiots will love that) and doesn't have a high BA but he does get on base at a decent clip (.340 lifetime, league average last year was .333). I've been saying that *if* the Cubs feel that they have to trade Bradley, I wanted to see a bullpen arm or some young guys for him, move Fukkake to RF and sign Cameron for CF. He, along with Polanco, were  the ones I wanted. Polanco's gone, so Cameron's the one I'll pine for. Give him a one year deal.

On the flip side, Bill James' projections only have him at a .328 OBP, .756 OPS, and a .330 wOBA. Projections aren't perfect, but, hey, it's something

I approve of this SABRYeti post. They could do a lot worse than Cameron in CF for a year or two. The only downside with him is if he finally realizes he's 59 years old.

As for Polanco, he would've been a nice stopgap as well, but he's 34. If Hendry would've signed him to that 3 year deal he got, my rectum would be even more chapped than usual. Orlando Hudson anyone?

Are you trying to seduce me?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 07, 2009, 10:47:40 AM
QuoteTom Haines of PhillyBurbs.com reports that Rays outfielder-designated hitter Pat Burrell has been traded to the Mets.
Take this report with an extreme grain of salt. According to Haines, Burrell was traded to the Cubs, then swapped to the Mets. Obviously, this could be as part of the rumored three-way deal involving Milton Bradley and Luis Castillo, but this is the only outlet reporting the trade. We're awaiting further confirmation.

I really don't have a problem with Luis Castillo on the team, but godammit I am sick of Theriot at SS.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 07, 2009, 10:54:56 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 07, 2009, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 05, 2009, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 05, 2009, 12:46:21 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 05, 2009, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: BH on December 04, 2009, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 04, 2009, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on December 04, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/ex-cubs-outfielder-jacque-jones-wants-back-in.html



Don't look now, but the free agent outfield pool has become much, much stronger.

Starting in right field for your Cincinnati Reds, Jacque Jones!

CF has to be fast and lead off. Willy Tavaras is faster than Jock.

Is Mike Cameron still fast?

QuoteMike Cameron is the Cubs' top option to play center field, reports Gordon Wittenmeyer of the Chicago Sun-Times.
The only thing standing between the Cubs and Cameron is Milton Bradley, argues Wittenmeyer. If and when Bradley is moved, it sounds as if Cameron will immediately be inked, who has manager Lou Pinella's approval. The 37-year old remains an excellent fielder and is also remarkably consistent with the bat, having averaged 22 home runs and 75 RBI over the past 11 seasons with little fluctuation. The right-hander would be a great complementary player on the South Side and would come without a long-term contract attached. Things can always change, but this is one rumor that makes all the sense in the world. Marlon Byrd was also mentioned as a person of interest to the club.

I can't wait to see him patrolling CF at U.S. Wrigular Field.

Apparently there's some other rumor about the Cubs getting both Granderson and Cabrera in a trade with the Tigers.  I heard it from a friend who knows a girl who's sleeping with Andrew Cashner.

Mike Cameron would be a valuable asset to have. He's not a phenomenal player but he's pretty good. He does K a lot (I'm sure the Wrigley idiots will love that) and doesn't have a high BA but he does get on base at a decent clip (.340 lifetime, league average last year was .333). I've been saying that *if* the Cubs feel that they have to trade Bradley, I wanted to see a bullpen arm or some young guys for him, move Fukkake to RF and sign Cameron for CF. He, along with Polanco, were  the ones I wanted. Polanco's gone, so Cameron's the one I'll pine for. Give him a one year deal.

On the flip side, Bill James' projections only have him at a .328 OBP, .756 OPS, and a .330 wOBA. Projections aren't perfect, but, hey, it's something

I approve of this SABRYeti post. They could do a lot worse than Cameron in CF for a year or two. The only downside with him is if he finally realizes he's 59 years old.

As for Polanco, he would've been a nice stopgap as well, but he's 34. If Hendry would've signed him to that 3 year deal he got, my rectum would be even more chapped than usual. Orlando Hudson anyone?

Are you trying to seduce me?

Do you want me to seduce you? Is that what you're trying to tell me?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 07, 2009, 10:57:50 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 07, 2009, 10:54:56 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 07, 2009, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 05, 2009, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 05, 2009, 12:46:21 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 05, 2009, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: BH on December 04, 2009, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 04, 2009, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on December 04, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/ex-cubs-outfielder-jacque-jones-wants-back-in.html



Don't look now, but the free agent outfield pool has become much, much stronger.

Starting in right field for your Cincinnati Reds, Jacque Jones!

CF has to be fast and lead off. Willy Tavaras is faster than Jock.

Is Mike Cameron still fast?

QuoteMike Cameron is the Cubs' top option to play center field, reports Gordon Wittenmeyer of the Chicago Sun-Times.
The only thing standing between the Cubs and Cameron is Milton Bradley, argues Wittenmeyer. If and when Bradley is moved, it sounds as if Cameron will immediately be inked, who has manager Lou Pinella's approval. The 37-year old remains an excellent fielder and is also remarkably consistent with the bat, having averaged 22 home runs and 75 RBI over the past 11 seasons with little fluctuation. The right-hander would be a great complementary player on the South Side and would come without a long-term contract attached. Things can always change, but this is one rumor that makes all the sense in the world. Marlon Byrd was also mentioned as a person of interest to the club.

I can't wait to see him patrolling CF at U.S. Wrigular Field.

Apparently there's some other rumor about the Cubs getting both Granderson and Cabrera in a trade with the Tigers.  I heard it from a friend who knows a girl who's sleeping with Andrew Cashner.

Mike Cameron would be a valuable asset to have. He's not a phenomenal player but he's pretty good. He does K a lot (I'm sure the Wrigley idiots will love that) and doesn't have a high BA but he does get on base at a decent clip (.340 lifetime, league average last year was .333). I've been saying that *if* the Cubs feel that they have to trade Bradley, I wanted to see a bullpen arm or some young guys for him, move Fukkake to RF and sign Cameron for CF. He, along with Polanco, were  the ones I wanted. Polanco's gone, so Cameron's the one I'll pine for. Give him a one year deal.

On the flip side, Bill James' projections only have him at a .328 OBP, .756 OPS, and a .330 wOBA. Projections aren't perfect, but, hey, it's something

I approve of this SABRYeti post. They could do a lot worse than Cameron in CF for a year or two. The only downside with him is if he finally realizes he's 59 years old.

As for Polanco, he would've been a nice stopgap as well, but he's 34. If Hendry would've signed him to that 3 year deal he got, my rectum would be even more chapped than usual. Orlando Hudson anyone?

Are you trying to seduce me?

Do you want me to seduce you? Is that what you're trying to tell me?

I don't know, are you RV?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 07, 2009, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 07, 2009, 10:47:40 AM
QuoteTom Haines of PhillyBurbs.com reports that Rays outfielder-designated hitter Pat Burrell has been traded to the Mets.
Take this report with an extreme grain of salt. According to Haines, Burrell was traded to the Cubs, then swapped to the Mets. Obviously, this could be as part of the rumored three-way deal involving Milton Bradley and Luis Castillo, but this is the only outlet reporting the trade. We're awaiting further confirmation.

I really don't have a problem with Luis Castillo on the team, but godammit I am sick of Theriot at SS.

Well, he gets on base a lot... Prepping for the Milton Bradley No Longer a Cub ANGER
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 07, 2009, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 07, 2009, 10:47:40 AM
QuoteTom Haines of PhillyBurbs.com reports that Rays outfielder-designated hitter Pat Burrell has been traded to the Mets.
Take this report with an extreme grain of salt. According to Haines, Burrell was traded to the Cubs, then swapped to the Mets. Obviously, this could be as part of the rumored three-way deal involving Milton Bradley and Luis Castillo, but this is the only outlet reporting the trade. We're awaiting further confirmation.

I really don't have a problem with Luis Castillo on the team, but godammit I am sick of Theriot at SS.

Don't worry - Starlin Jeter is coming. He won an award for best future player of all time. So just relax.

Starlin is coming.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 07, 2009, 11:04:58 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 07, 2009, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 07, 2009, 10:47:40 AM
QuoteTom Haines of PhillyBurbs.com reports that Rays outfielder-designated hitter Pat Burrell has been traded to the Mets.
Take this report with an extreme grain of salt. According to Haines, Burrell was traded to the Cubs, then swapped to the Mets. Obviously, this could be as part of the rumored three-way deal involving Milton Bradley and Luis Castillo, but this is the only outlet reporting the trade. We're awaiting further confirmation.

I really don't have a problem with Luis Castillo on the team, but godammit I am sick of Theriot at SS.

Don't worry - Starlin Jeter is coming. He won an award for best future player of all time. So just relax.

Starlin is coming.

It doesn't matter when the organization won't let anyone replace The Riot at short.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Richard Chuggar on December 07, 2009, 11:06:37 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 07, 2009, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 07, 2009, 10:47:40 AM
QuoteTom Haines of PhillyBurbs.com reports that Rays outfielder-designated hitter Pat Burrell has been traded to the Mets.
Take this report with an extreme grain of salt. According to Haines, Burrell was traded to the Cubs, then swapped to the Mets. Obviously, this could be as part of the rumored three-way deal involving Milton Bradley and Luis Castillo, but this is the only outlet reporting the trade. We're awaiting further confirmation.

I really don't have a problem with Luis Castillo on the team, but godammit I am sick of Theriot at SS.

Well, he gets on base a lot... Prepping for the Milton Bradley No Longer a Cub ANGER

Shut up you video game fatass.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 07, 2009, 11:13:02 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 07, 2009, 11:04:58 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 07, 2009, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 07, 2009, 10:47:40 AM
QuoteTom Haines of PhillyBurbs.com reports that Rays outfielder-designated hitter Pat Burrell has been traded to the Mets.
Take this report with an extreme grain of salt. According to Haines, Burrell was traded to the Cubs, then swapped to the Mets. Obviously, this could be as part of the rumored three-way deal involving Milton Bradley and Luis Castillo, but this is the only outlet reporting the trade. We're awaiting further confirmation.

I really don't have a problem with Luis Castillo on the team, but godammit I am sick of Theriot at SS.

Don't worry - Starlin Jeter is coming. He won an award for best future player of all time. So just relax.

Starlin is coming.

It doesn't matter when the organization won't let anyone replace The Riot at short.

I hate this team.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 07, 2009, 11:17:58 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 07, 2009, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 07, 2009, 10:47:40 AM
QuoteTom Haines of PhillyBurbs.com reports that Rays outfielder-designated hitter Pat Burrell has been traded to the Mets.
Take this report with an extreme grain of salt. According to Haines, Burrell was traded to the Cubs, then swapped to the Mets. Obviously, this could be as part of the rumored three-way deal involving Milton Bradley and Luis Castillo, but this is the only outlet reporting the trade. We're awaiting further confirmation.

I really don't have a problem with Luis Castillo on the team, but godammit I am sick of Theriot at SS.

Well, he gets on base a lot... Prepping for the Milton Bradley No Longer a Cub ANGER

Sap y'all, hayseed.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 07, 2009, 11:25:46 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 07, 2009, 11:17:58 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 07, 2009, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 07, 2009, 10:47:40 AM
QuoteTom Haines of PhillyBurbs.com reports that Rays outfielder-designated hitter Pat Burrell has been traded to the Mets.
Take this report with an extreme grain of salt. According to Haines, Burrell was traded to the Cubs, then swapped to the Mets. Obviously, this could be as part of the rumored three-way deal involving Milton Bradley and Luis Castillo, but this is the only outlet reporting the trade. We're awaiting further confirmation.

I really don't have a problem with Luis Castillo on the team, but godammit I am sick of Theriot at SS.

Well, he gets on base a lot... Prepping for the Milton Bradley No Longer a Cub ANGER

Sap y'all, hayseed.

FACE (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6969.msg199211#msg199211)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on December 07, 2009, 11:59:17 AM
Everyone getting excited for the winter meetings?

Quote from: some bad Seattle Times writer
One great winter-meetings story that pops to mind was told to me by Bob Quinn, a long-time baseball executive.
It involves his father, John Quinn, who at the time was GM of the Milwaukee Braves, and Dodgers GM Buzzie
Bavasi, father of former Mariner head man Bill Bavasi. The year was 1953, and Quinn was intent on working out a
trade that would bring outfielder Andy Pafko to Milwaukee. As Bob Quinn told it, the two had haggled for hours
in the lobby when Buzzie told John he was done. He was heading back to his room for the night.

"My dad said, 'Let me come up for 15 minutes, '' Bob Quinn recalled. "Up in the room, Buzzie starts to take off
his clothes, and my dad starts taking off his clothes, too. 'John, what are you doing?' Buzzie asks. My dad said,
'Buzzie, I'm getting into bed with you until we get the deal done.' ''

Pafko was eventually traded to the Braves.

It's like the famous light house shot in Casablanca.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 07, 2009, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: Pre on December 07, 2009, 11:59:17 AM
Everyone getting excited for the winter meetings?

Quote from: some bad Seattle Times writer
One great winter-meetings story that pops to mind was told to me by Bob Quinn, a long-time baseball executive.
It involves his father, John Quinn, who at the time was GM of the Milwaukee Braves, and Dodgers GM Buzzie
Bavasi, father of former Mariner head man Bill Bavasi. The year was 1953, and Quinn was intent on working out a
trade that would bring outfielder Andy Pafko to Milwaukee. As Bob Quinn told it, the two had haggled for hours
in the lobby when Buzzie told John he was done. He was heading back to his room for the night.

"My dad said, 'Let me come up for 15 minutes, '' Bob Quinn recalled. "Up in the room, Buzzie starts to take off
his clothes, and my dad starts taking off his clothes, too. 'John, what are you doing?' Buzzie asks. My dad said,
'Buzzie, I'm getting into bed with you until we get the deal done.' ''

Pafko was eventually traded to the Braves.

It's like the famous light house shot in Casablanca.

Wow, the 50's were gay. By gay I mean happy.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 07, 2009, 03:12:39 PM
QuoteINDIANAPOLIS -- Chicago Cubs and Kansas City Royals personnel got together on Sunday night and had peripheral conversations about possible trade scenarios that could work for the two clubs.

Milton Bradley would be the type of run producer Kansas City would be interested in, while Royals pitcher Gil Meche is someone they would consider trading.

K.C. is looking for a run-producing outfielder and Bradley could fit nicely with the small-market Royals.

I think Meche is owed like $12.5 million for each of the next two seasons, so this would probably be the best possible deal so far in the Milton saga.  I'd have no problem with Meche as a 5th starter on the team.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on December 07, 2009, 03:13:29 PM
My heart breaks. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10475170)

QuoteOutfielder Matt Murton was released by the Rockies in a move designed to allow Murton to sign with a Japanese team. Murton figured in the Rockies' plans as a backup right-handed-hitting outfielder in case they dealt Ryan Spilborghs.

When the opportunity arose in Japan, however, the Rockies agreed to allow Murton to go because of the salary he can command in that country.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 07, 2009, 03:15:46 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2009, 03:13:29 PM
My heart breaks. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10475170)

QuoteOutfielder Matt Murton was released by the Rockies in a move designed to allow Murton to sign with a Japanese team. Murton figured in the Rockies' plans as a backup right-handed-hitting outfielder in case they dealt Ryan Spilborghs.

When the opportunity arose in Japan, however, the Rockies agreed to allow Murton to go because of the salary he can command in that country.

Now we can finally see how amazing Murton can be if he gets regular playing time.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on December 07, 2009, 03:39:55 PM
Do they have unicorns in Japan?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dave B on December 07, 2009, 04:22:17 PM
Ryno to manage I-Cubs in 2010.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on December 07, 2009, 04:55:13 PM
Let's hope he stays there for 2011.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 04:56:24 PM
Quote from: Dave B on December 07, 2009, 04:22:17 PM
Ryno to manage I-Cubs in 2010.

Damn.  I was really hoping Notre Dame would make him an offer.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on December 07, 2009, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 04:56:24 PM
Quote from: Dave B on December 07, 2009, 04:22:17 PM
Ryno to manage I-Cubs in 2010.

Damn.  I was really hoping Notre Dame would make him an offer.

South Bend is too boring, even for Sandberg.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 07, 2009, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 04:56:24 PM
Quote from: Dave B on December 07, 2009, 04:22:17 PM
Ryno to manage I-Cubs in 2010.

Damn.  I was really hoping Notre Dame would make him an offer.

South Bend is too boring, even for Sandberg.

Whatever, dude.  We have a Sonic.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 07, 2009, 05:08:36 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 07, 2009, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 04:56:24 PM
Quote from: Dave B on December 07, 2009, 04:22:17 PM
Ryno to manage I-Cubs in 2010.

Damn.  I was really hoping Notre Dame would make him an offer.

South Bend is too boring, even for Sandberg.

Whatever, dude.  We have a Sonic.

We'll see how long that last after the Weis family leaves town.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 07, 2009, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 07, 2009, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 04:56:24 PM
Quote from: Dave B on December 07, 2009, 04:22:17 PM
Ryno to manage I-Cubs in 2010.

Damn.  I was really hoping Notre Dame would make him an offer.

South Bend is too boring, even for Sandberg.

Whatever, dude.  We have a Sonic.

So does DuPage county (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS319&q=sonic%2060181&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl).  -1
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 07, 2009, 07:09:42 PM

There's one in Lake Zurich (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS319&q=sonic%2060181&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl) also.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 07, 2009, 07:12:29 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 07, 2009, 07:09:42 PM

There's one in Lake Zurich (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS319&q=sonic%2060181&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl) also.

So the fact that Springfield has 4 makes us great? (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS319&q=sonic%2060181&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl)

doubt it
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 08, 2009, 08:49:40 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 07, 2009, 03:15:46 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2009, 03:13:29 PM
My heart breaks. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10475170)

QuoteOutfielder Matt Murton was released by the Rockies in a move designed to allow Murton to sign with a Japanese team. Murton figured in the Rockies' plans as a backup right-handed-hitting outfielder in case they dealt Ryan Spilborghs.

When the opportunity arose in Japan, however, the Rockies agreed to allow Murton to go because of the salary he can command in that country.

Now we can finally see how amazing Murton can be if he gets regular playing time.

I wish I was so awful at something that I'd get banished to Japan. Fuck, I hate Murton.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 09:36:29 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 07, 2009, 05:08:36 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 07, 2009, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 04:56:24 PM
Quote from: Dave B on December 07, 2009, 04:22:17 PM
Ryno to manage I-Cubs in 2010.

Damn.  I was really hoping Notre Dame would make him an offer.

South Bend is too boring, even for Sandberg.

Whatever, dude.  We have a Sonic.

We'll see how long that last after the Weis family leaves town.

I LOLed.  I'm LOLing.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: morpheus on December 08, 2009, 10:28:09 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 09:36:29 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 07, 2009, 05:08:36 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 07, 2009, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 04:56:24 PM
Quote from: Dave B on December 07, 2009, 04:22:17 PM
Ryno to manage I-Cubs in 2010.

Damn.  I was really hoping Notre Dame would make him an offer.

South Bend is too boring, even for Sandberg.

Whatever, dude.  We have a Sonic.

We'll see how long that last after the Weis family leaves town.

I LOLed.  I'm LOLing.

Comment.  Of.  The.  Day.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 10:37:14 AM
Quote from: morpheus on December 08, 2009, 10:28:09 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 09:36:29 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 07, 2009, 05:08:36 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 07, 2009, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 04:56:24 PM
Quote from: Dave B on December 07, 2009, 04:22:17 PM
Ryno to manage I-Cubs in 2010.

Damn.  I was really hoping Notre Dame would make him an offer.

South Bend is too boring, even for Sandberg.

Whatever, dude.  We have a Sonic.

We'll see how long that last after the Weis family leaves town.

I LOLed.  I'm LOLing.

Comment.  Of.  The.  Day.

meh
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 08, 2009, 11:50:53 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 10:37:14 AM
Quote from: morpheus on December 08, 2009, 10:28:09 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 09:36:29 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 07, 2009, 05:08:36 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 07, 2009, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 07, 2009, 04:56:24 PM
Quote from: Dave B on December 07, 2009, 04:22:17 PM
Ryno to manage I-Cubs in 2010.

Damn.  I was really hoping Notre Dame would make him an offer.

South Bend is too boring, even for Sandberg.

Whatever, dude.  We have a Sonic.

We'll see how long that last after the Weis family leaves town.

I LOLed.  I'm LOLing.

Comment.  Of.  The.  Day.

meh

I
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
Curtis Granderson is a Yankee.

Commence the excitement over Mike Cameron! 

Anybody?  Anybody?

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on December 08, 2009, 01:40:26 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
Curtis Granderson is a Yankee.

Commence the excitement over Mike Cameron! 

Anybody?  Anybody?



Or Melky Cabrera perhaps?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
Curtis Granderson is a Yankee.

Commence the excitement over Mike Cameron! 

Anybody?  Anybody?



I'll start it off. YAY! 13th Best OFer in the MLB for WAR, 4th out of all CFers
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on December 08, 2009, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
Curtis Granderson is a Yankee.

Commence the excitement over Mike Cameron! 

Anybody?  Anybody?



I'll start it off. YAY! 13th Best OFer in the MLB for WAR, 4th out of all CFers

He doesn't cost any prospects either.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 02:04:38 PM
I don't want this misinterpreted. Mike Cameron is a fine ball player and would be an asset to this club. He's not the savior. I would prefer Granderson b/c he's younger, offers more upside, etc., but if the Cubs are going to sign anyone, I'd prefer him. They also say he's a clubhouse leader. That little tidbit is as worthless as Mom's Basement, but it's something the meatheads can get behind, until he strikes out 3in 3 straight at-bats in April.

If someone wants Marlon Byrd, he led the league in Sacrifice Flies in 2009 so you know you're getting  a team player.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 08, 2009, 02:17:04 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2009, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
Curtis Granderson is a Yankee.

Commence the excitement over Mike Cameron! 

Anybody?  Anybody?



I'll start it off. YAY! 13th Best OFer in the MLB for WAR, 4th out of all CFers

He doesn't cost any prospects either.

Not only that but Melky's career OPS+ is 88. Eighty fucking eight. Yeesh.

Bring on the Mike Cameron era.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 08, 2009, 02:17:04 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2009, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
Curtis Granderson is a Yankee.

Commence the excitement over Mike Cameron! 

Anybody?  Anybody?



I'll start it off. YAY! 13th Best OFer in the MLB for WAR, 4th out of all CFers

He doesn't cost any prospects either.

Not only that but Melky's career OPS+ is 88. Eighty fucking eight. Yeesh.

Bring on the Mike Cameron era.

As long as that era is 1-2 years long.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 08, 2009, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 08, 2009, 02:17:04 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2009, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
Curtis Granderson is a Yankee.

Commence the excitement over Mike Cameron! 

Anybody?  Anybody?



I'll start it off. YAY! 13th Best OFer in the MLB for WAR, 4th out of all CFers

He doesn't cost any prospects either.

Not only that but Melky's career OPS+ is 88. Eighty fucking eight. Yeesh.

Bring on the Mike Cameron era.

As long as that era is 1-2 years long.

Yes. In my stupid assumption that it would be, I forgot we're dealing with Hendry. I hadn't heard how long of a deal Cammy is looking for.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 08, 2009, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 08, 2009, 02:17:04 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2009, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
Curtis Granderson is a Yankee.

Commence the excitement over Mike Cameron! 

Anybody?  Anybody?



I'll start it off. YAY! 13th Best OFer in the MLB for WAR, 4th out of all CFers

He doesn't cost any prospects either.

Not only that but Melky's career OPS+ is 88. Eighty fucking eight. Yeesh.

Bring on the Mike Cameron era.

As long as that era is 1-2 years long.

Yes. In my stupid assumption that it would be, I forgot we're dealing with Hendry. I hadn't heard how long of a deal Cammy is looking for.

If we're going to call him Cammy, I'd just assume start hating him now.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MidgetSellingWater on December 08, 2009, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 08, 2009, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 08, 2009, 02:17:04 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2009, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
Curtis Granderson is a Yankee.

Commence the excitement over Mike Cameron! 

Anybody?  Anybody?



I'll start it off. YAY! 13th Best OFer in the MLB for WAR, 4th out of all CFers

He doesn't cost any prospects either.

Not only that but Melky's career OPS+ is 88. Eighty fucking eight. Yeesh.

Bring on the Mike Cameron era.

As long as that era is 1-2 years long.

Yes. In my stupid assumption that it would be, I forgot we're dealing with Hendry. I hadn't heard how long of a deal Cammy is looking for.

If we're going to call him Cammy, I'd just assume start hating him now.

For all intensive purposes, I don't think you're using that right.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on December 08, 2009, 03:00:37 PM
Cameron's last deal was two years and $16 million.  Given that he's older now, I would figure that Hendry could probably get him for five years and $88 million, assuming he gives Cameron a full no trade clause.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 03:03:00 PM
Quote from: MidgetSellingWater on December 08, 2009, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 08, 2009, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 08, 2009, 02:17:04 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2009, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
Curtis Granderson is a Yankee.

Commence the excitement over Mike Cameron! 

Anybody?  Anybody?



I'll start it off. YAY! 13th Best OFer in the MLB for WAR, 4th out of all CFers

He doesn't cost any prospects either.

Not only that but Melky's career OPS+ is 88. Eighty fucking eight. Yeesh.

Bring on the Mike Cameron era.

As long as that era is 1-2 years long.

Yes. In my stupid assumption that it would be, I forgot we're dealing with Hendry. I hadn't heard how long of a deal Cammy is looking for.

If we're going to call him Cammy, I'd just assume as soon start hating him now.

For all intensive purposes, I don't think you're using that right.

Picky, picky.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on December 08, 2009, 04:21:59 PM
Quote from: MidgetSellingWater on December 08, 2009, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 08, 2009, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 08, 2009, 02:17:04 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2009, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
Curtis Granderson is a Yankee.

Commence the excitement over Mike Cameron! 

Anybody?  Anybody?



I'll start it off. YAY! 13th Best OFer in the MLB for WAR, 4th out of all CFers

He doesn't cost any prospects either.

Not only that but Melky's career OPS+ is 88. Eighty fucking eight. Yeesh.

Bring on the Mike Cameron era.

As long as that era is 1-2 years long.

Yes. In my stupid assumption that it would be, I forgot we're dealing with Hendry. I hadn't heard how long of a deal Cammy is looking for.

If we're going to call him Cammy, I'd just assume start hating him now.

For all intensive purposes, I don't think you're using that right.

I think that is clover.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 08, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
QuoteAccording to Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports, the Cubs and Mariners are discussing a swap of Milton Bradley for Carlos Silva.
If Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik pulls this off, we might as well hand him the Executive of the Year award today. Silva, 30, posted an 8.60 ERA and 1.70 WHIP in 30 innings this past season and a 6.46 ERA in 153 1/3 innings the year before. Bradley may be a clubhouse cancer and may have had an off year in 2009, but he's not nearly as terrible as Silva.

If this is true, I think I'm officially done with the Cubs.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 08, 2009, 05:30:59 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 08, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
QuoteAccording to Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports, the Cubs and Mariners are discussing a swap of Milton Bradley for Carlos Silva.
If Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik pulls this off, we might as well hand him the Executive of the Year award today. Silva, 30, posted an 8.60 ERA and 1.70 WHIP in 30 innings this past season and a 6.46 ERA in 153 1/3 innings the year before. Bradley may be a clubhouse cancer and may have had an off year in 2009, but he's not nearly as terrible as Silva.

If this is true, I think I'm officially done with the Cubs.

I think I can become a Mariners fan. They've ever offended me. Seattle has contributed some pretty nice things to society...good rock music, decent coffee, lots of fish, other shit I'd probably enjoy. I don't care for their uniforms but I can get over that.

Go Mariners!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 05:33:22 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 08, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
QuoteAccording to Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports, the Cubs and Mariners are discussing a swap of Milton Bradley for Carlos Silva.
If Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik pulls this off, we might as well hand him the Executive of the Year award today. Silva, 30, posted an 8.60 ERA and 1.70 WHIP in 30 innings this past season and a 6.46 ERA in 153 1/3 innings the year before. Bradley may be a clubhouse cancer and may have had an off year in 2009, but he's not nearly as terrible as Silva.

If this is true, I think I'm officially done with the Cubs.

Looks like Silva is owed $11.5 this year, then he can be bought out for $2 million the following year.

Still, this is a really, really shitty deal. 

Paying Milton $21 million to just stay home would be better than this.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 08, 2009, 05:35:43 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 05:33:22 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 08, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
QuoteAccording to Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports, the Cubs and Mariners are discussing a swap of Milton Bradley for Carlos Silva.
If Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik pulls this off, we might as well hand him the Executive of the Year award today. Silva, 30, posted an 8.60 ERA and 1.70 WHIP in 30 innings this past season and a 6.46 ERA in 153 1/3 innings the year before. Bradley may be a clubhouse cancer and may have had an off year in 2009, but he's not nearly as terrible as Silva.

If this is true, I think I'm officially done with the Cubs.

Looks like Silva is owed $11.5 this year, then he can be bought out for $2 million the following year.

Still, this is a really, really shitty deal. 

Paying Milton $21 million to just stay home would be better than this.

Money has nothing to do with it.  If you're trading a player like Bradley, however big of an asshole he is, you get something even halfway decent in return.  I'd rather the trade be for Jerry Hairston if he had a $12 million contract.  Luckily, it looks like the Muskrat has shot down these rumors, but thinks a deal will likely get done tomorrow.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 05:46:53 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 08, 2009, 05:35:43 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 05:33:22 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 08, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
QuoteAccording to Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports, the Cubs and Mariners are discussing a swap of Milton Bradley for Carlos Silva.
If Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik pulls this off, we might as well hand him the Executive of the Year award today. Silva, 30, posted an 8.60 ERA and 1.70 WHIP in 30 innings this past season and a 6.46 ERA in 153 1/3 innings the year before. Bradley may be a clubhouse cancer and may have had an off year in 2009, but he's not nearly as terrible as Silva.

If this is true, I think I'm officially done with the Cubs.

Looks like Silva is owed $11.5 this year, then he can be bought out for $2 million the following year.

Still, this is a really, really shitty deal. 

Paying Milton $21 million to just stay home would be better than this.

Money has nothing to do with it.  If you're trading a player like Bradley, however big of an asshole he is, you get something even halfway decent in return.  I'd rather the trade be for Jerry Hairston if he had a $12 million contract.  Luckily, it looks like the Muskrat has shot down these rumors, but thinks a deal will likely get done tomorrow.

Quote
Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times reports the Mariners have shot down rumors of a Milton Bradley-for-Carlos Silva swap.

Crisis averted.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 05:48:54 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 08, 2009, 05:35:43 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 05:33:22 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 08, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
QuoteAccording to Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports, the Cubs and Mariners are discussing a swap of Milton Bradley for Carlos Silva.
If Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik pulls this off, we might as well hand him the Executive of the Year award today. Silva, 30, posted an 8.60 ERA and 1.70 WHIP in 30 innings this past season and a 6.46 ERA in 153 1/3 innings the year before. Bradley may be a clubhouse cancer and may have had an off year in 2009, but he's not nearly as terrible as Silva.

If this is true, I think I'm officially done with the Cubs.

Looks like Silva is owed $11.5 this year, then he can be bought out for $2 million the following year.

Still, this is a really, really shitty deal. 

Paying Milton $21 million to just stay home would be better than this.

Money has nothing to do with it.  If you're trading a player like Bradley, however big of an asshole he is, you get something even halfway decent in return.  I'd rather the trade be for Jerry Hairston if he had a $12 million contract.  Luckily, it looks like the Muskrat has shot down these rumors, but thinks a deal will likely get done tomorrow.

DPD, but just wanted to point out that, whatever you were attempting to say here, you're wrong.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 08, 2009, 05:53:46 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 05:48:54 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 08, 2009, 05:35:43 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 05:33:22 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 08, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
QuoteAccording to Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports, the Cubs and Mariners are discussing a swap of Milton Bradley for Carlos Silva.
If Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik pulls this off, we might as well hand him the Executive of the Year award today. Silva, 30, posted an 8.60 ERA and 1.70 WHIP in 30 innings this past season and a 6.46 ERA in 153 1/3 innings the year before. Bradley may be a clubhouse cancer and may have had an off year in 2009, but he's not nearly as terrible as Silva.

If this is true, I think I'm officially done with the Cubs.

Looks like Silva is owed $11.5 this year, then he can be bought out for $2 million the following year.

Still, this is a really, really shitty deal. 

Paying Milton $21 million to just stay home would be better than this.

Money has nothing to do with it.  If you're trading a player like Bradley, however big of an asshole he is, you get something even halfway decent in return.  I'd rather the trade be for Jerry Hairston if he had a $12 million contract.  Luckily, it looks like the Muskrat has shot down these rumors, but thinks a deal will likely get done tomorrow.

DPD, but just wanted to point out that, whatever you were attempting to say here, you're wrong.

I don't mean for the actual trade.  I just meant for the Bradley-Silva rumor.  The problem with that trade isn't that they might only have to spend $13.5 million on him (though I didn't think he had a buyout), it's that they'd trade a good outfielder for one of the worst pitchers in baseball.  At least Pat Burrell could hit a homerun once-in-a-while.  Carlos Silva would do nothing productive.  Of course, it looks like that crisis has been averted, so who cares.  Bring on the Lyle Overbay talk!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 08, 2009, 05:57:10 PM
So how many AL teams are left in this thing? You know who it is? The White Sox.

He's going to the Sox and he's going to hit for average, power and get on base as a DH. And he's going to tell tales of how great White Sox fans are.

It's going to hai.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 08, 2009, 05:59:45 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 08, 2009, 05:57:10 PM
So how many AL teams are left in this thing? You know who it is? The White Sox.

He's going to the Sox and he's going to hit for average, power and get on base as a DH. And he's going to tell tales of how great White Sox fans are.

It's going to hai.

One rumor is that it'll be to the Blue Jays for Lyle Overbay, who we would then flip to the Mets for Luis Castillo, or the Giants for Aaron Rowand, or the Mariners for Carlos Silva!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on December 08, 2009, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 08, 2009, 05:59:45 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 08, 2009, 05:57:10 PM
So how many AL teams are left in this thing? You know who it is? The White Sox.

He's going to the Sox and he's going to hit for average, power and get on base as a DH. And he's going to tell tales of how great White Sox fans are.

It's going to hai.

One rumor is that it'll be to the Blue Jays for Lyle Overbay, who we would then flip to the Mets for Luis Castillo, or the Giants for Aaron Rowand, or the Mariners for Carlos Silva!

Bah, that's idiocy.  Bradley to the Jays for Overbay, Lee and Fukudome to the Giants for Rowand and Renteria, Theriot to second base, Fuld to RF.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on December 08, 2009, 09:21:18 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 08, 2009, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 08, 2009, 05:59:45 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 08, 2009, 05:57:10 PM
So how many AL teams are left in this thing? You know who it is? The White Sox.

He's going to the Sox and he's going to hit for average, power and get on base as a DH. And he's going to tell tales of how great White Sox fans are.

It's going to hai.

One rumor is that it'll be to the Blue Jays for Lyle Overbay, who we would then flip to the Mets for Luis Castillo, or the Giants for Aaron Rowand, or the Mariners for Carlos Silva!

Bah, that's idiocy.  Bradley to the Jays for Overbay, Lee and Fukudome to the Giants for Rowand and Renteria, Theriot to second base, Fuld to RF.



PROFIT!!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on December 09, 2009, 11:34:20 AM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 03:00:37 PM
Cameron's last deal was two years and $16 million.  Given that he's older now, I would figure that Hendry could probably get him for five years and $88 million, assuming he gives Cameron a full no trade clause.

That's an absolutely ridiculous contract Andy.  Why waste everyone's time with such nonsense.  There is no way Hendry is
dumb enough to give him a contract without a player option after 2 years.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 09, 2009, 11:44:40 AM
I'm officially with Yeti on this. Just keep Bradley if these rumors are to be believed. None of these proposed trades are even remotely attractive.

Suck it up Cubs. Milton's a jerk. Big fucking deal. This isn't kindergarten.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 09, 2009, 11:58:58 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 09, 2009, 11:44:40 AM
This isn't kindergarten.

If it was, though, you better believe we'd being calling the all the kids "morgans."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on December 09, 2009, 08:08:11 PM
Someone (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/mariners-sign-corey-patterson.html) is stupid enough to sign Corey Patterson?

Scratch him off, Jim.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 09, 2009, 08:16:47 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 09, 2009, 08:08:11 PM
Someone (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/mariners-sign-corey-patterson.html) is stupid enough to sign Corey Patterson?

Scratch him off, Jim.

God damn, the M's are gonna be fast next year.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on December 09, 2009, 10:30:01 PM
Corey will increase the speed at Tacoma, probably not Seattle.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on December 10, 2009, 12:31:16 AM
Harden, Rangers agree on a one-year deal with an option for 2011, minimum value $7.5 million (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/rich-harden-on-verge-of-agreement.html)

Not that he was going to stay or anything anyway, but, you know, for your information.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 10, 2009, 08:18:10 AM
For me, Harden is now the white Rondell White. I was excited as hell when the Cubs got him. He played well in spurts, well enough in fact to make me spurt. He was either injured or kinda sorta hurt alot and couldn't really be counted on to do too much. The whole experience ended up being a big fat zero. He went to a team I didn't hate. I'll continue to like the guy and follow his career so long as he doesn't end up on the Cardinals, Astros, Brewers, Reds, Pirates, Mets, Marlins, Braves, Phillies, Dodgers, Padres, Giants, Rockies or Diamondbacks.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on December 10, 2009, 10:02:47 AM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 10, 2009, 12:31:16 AM
Harden, Rangers agree on a one-year deal with an option for 2011, minimum value $7.5 million (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/rich-harden-on-verge-of-agreement.html)

Not that he was going to stay or anything anyway, but, you know, for your information.

Actually, it's a minimum of $4.0mm with $3.5mm in innings pitched incentives.

He got guaranteed half of what an arbitrator would have guaranteed.

Letting Harden go has been the Cubs second best move of the offseason.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on December 10, 2009, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 10, 2009, 10:02:47 AM
Letting Harden go has been the Cubs second best move of the offseason.

gee chuck please tell us what you think their best move has been
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 10, 2009, 10:15:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 10, 2009, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 10, 2009, 10:02:47 AM
Letting Harden go has been the Cubs second best move of the offseason.

gee chuck please tell us what you think their best move has been

Raising ticket prices?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 10, 2009, 10:19:54 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 10, 2009, 10:15:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 10, 2009, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 10, 2009, 10:02:47 AM
Letting Harden go has been the Cubs second best move of the offseason.

gee chuck please tell us what you think their best move has been

Raising ticket prices?

He probably thinks that Bradley-for-Silva trade went through.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 10, 2009, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 10, 2009, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 10, 2009, 10:02:47 AM
Letting Harden go has been the Cubs second best move of the offseason.

gee chuck please tell us what you think their best move has been

Sale of the team, I assume.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 10, 2009, 10:51:35 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 10, 2009, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 10, 2009, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 10, 2009, 10:02:47 AM
Letting Harden go has been the Cubs second best move of the offseason.

gee chuck please tell us what you think their best move has been

Sale of the team, I assume.

I'm going to go with the purging of their Aarons.  But that would make this their third-best move.  I'm confused.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 10, 2009, 10:56:13 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 10, 2009, 10:51:35 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 10, 2009, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 10, 2009, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 10, 2009, 10:02:47 AM
Letting Harden go has been the Cubs second best move of the offseason.

gee chuck please tell us what you think their best move has been

Sale of the team, I assume.

I'm going to go with the purging of their Aarons.  But that would make this their third-best move.  I'm confused.

Crap, I think you win. I can't argue with that. It's fun to call Chuck names but the Aaron Purge was awesome.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on December 10, 2009, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 10, 2009, 10:51:35 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 10, 2009, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 10, 2009, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 10, 2009, 10:02:47 AM
Letting Harden go has been the Cubs second best move of the offseason.

gee chuck please tell us what you think their best move has been

Sale of the team, I assume.

I'm going to go with the purging of their Aarons.  But that would make this their third-best move.  I'm confused.

See?  Cryptic Chuck needed us to ask the question.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on December 10, 2009, 05:02:00 PM
Big scoop from Gordo (http://twitter.com/cst_cubs/statuses/6546222217):

QuoteCubs source: A Bradley deal could get done in the next day or two. Also told same thing 2 days ago.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 10, 2009, 05:05:22 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 10, 2009, 05:02:00 PM
Big scoop from Gordo (http://twitter.com/cst_cubs/statuses/6546222217):

QuoteCubs source: A Bradley deal could get done in the next day or two. Also told same thing 2 days ago.

I believe that's code for: get the fuck out of my face you ugly tithead.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on December 10, 2009, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 10, 2009, 10:02:47 AM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 10, 2009, 12:31:16 AM
Harden, Rangers agree on a one-year deal with an option for 2011, minimum value $7.5 million (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/rich-harden-on-verge-of-agreement.html)

Not that he was going to stay or anything anyway, but, you know, for your information.

Actually, it's a minimum of $4.0mm with $3.5mm in innings pitched incentives.

No.  It's $6.5MM base in 2010 with a potential $1MM buyout for 2011.  Therefore, if he's bought out, $6.5MM + $1MM = $7.5MM.  That is the minimum amount he can make in the deal.  You ignorant slut.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 10, 2009, 11:32:20 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 10, 2009, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 10, 2009, 10:02:47 AM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 10, 2009, 12:31:16 AM
Harden, Rangers agree on a one-year deal with an option for 2011, minimum value $7.5 million (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/rich-harden-on-verge-of-agreement.html)

Not that he was going to stay or anything anyway, but, you know, for your information.

Actually, it's a minimum of $4.0mm with $3.5mm in innings pitched incentives.

No.  It's $6.5MM base in 2010 with a potential $1MM buyout for 2011.  Therefore, if he's bought out, $6.5MM + $1MM = $7.5MM.  That is the minimum amount he can make in the deal.  You ignorant slut.

And don't call me Shirley!...wait.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on December 11, 2009, 08:18:35 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 10, 2009, 11:32:20 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 10, 2009, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 10, 2009, 10:02:47 AM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 10, 2009, 12:31:16 AM
Harden, Rangers agree on a one-year deal with an option for 2011, minimum value $7.5 million (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/rich-harden-on-verge-of-agreement.html)

Not that he was going to stay or anything anyway, but, you know, for your information.

Actually, it's a minimum of $4.0mm with $3.5mm in innings pitched incentives.

No.  It's $6.5MM base in 2010 with a potential $1MM buyout for 2011.  Therefore, if he's bought out, $6.5MM + $1MM = $7.5MM.  That is the minimum amount he can make in the deal.  You ignorant slut.

And don't call me Shirley!...wait.

Waiting...
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: RedBeard on December 11, 2009, 03:11:54 PM
You know who we really need?

A-Rod. Oh, wait....

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on December 14, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
Ken Rosenthal says Next Great Cubs Signee Mike Cameron is in serious talks with the Red Sox for a two-year deal.

(In contrast to the non-serious talks that keep getting Dempster's contract offers rescinded by humorless GMs)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
Ken Rosenthal says Next Great Cubs Signee Mike Cameron is in serious talks with the Red Sox for a two-year deal.

(In contrast to the non-serious talks that keep getting Dempster's contract offers rescinded by humorless GMs)

Looks like the holdup in the Milton Bradley hostage situation is going to keep the Cubs from signing Cameron and we'll be stuck with The Great Sam Fuld in CF next year.  Thanks a lot, Jim.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 14, 2009, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
Ken Rosenthal says Next Great Cubs Signee Mike Cameron is in serious talks with the Red Sox for a two-year deal.

(In contrast to the non-serious talks that keep getting Dempster's contract offers rescinded by humorless GMs)

Looks like the holdup in the Milton Bradley hostage situation is going to keep the Cubs from signing Cameron and we'll be stuck with The Great Sam Fuld in CF next year.  Thanks a lot, Jim.

Or, possibly, Fukudome. Asshole Bradley in right.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 14, 2009, 05:49:41 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 14, 2009, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
Ken Rosenthal says Next Great Cubs Signee Mike Cameron is in serious talks with the Red Sox for a two-year deal.

(In contrast to the non-serious talks that keep getting Dempster's contract offers rescinded by humorless GMs)

Looks like the holdup in the Milton Bradley hostage situation is going to keep the Cubs from signing Cameron and we'll be stuck with The Great Sam Fuld in CF next year.  Thanks a lot, Jim.

Or, possibly, Fukudome. Asshole Bradley in right.

nice choice jim
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 05:59:30 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 14, 2009, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
Ken Rosenthal says Next Great Cubs Signee Mike Cameron is in serious talks with the Red Sox for a two-year deal.

(In contrast to the non-serious talks that keep getting Dempster's contract offers rescinded by humorless GMs)

Looks like the holdup in the Milton Bradley hostage situation is going to keep the Cubs from signing Cameron and we'll be stuck with The Great Sam Fuld in CF next year.  Thanks a lot, Jim.

Or, possibly, Fukudome. Asshole Bradley in right.

I don't think they want Fukudome playing CF anymore, and for good reason.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a Bradley/Fukudome platoon if that douchebag has to stick around.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on December 14, 2009, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 14, 2009, 05:49:41 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 14, 2009, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
Ken Rosenthal says Next Great Cubs Signee Mike Cameron is in serious talks with the Red Sox for a two-year deal.

(In contrast to the non-serious talks that keep getting Dempster's contract offers rescinded by humorless GMs)

Looks like the holdup in the Milton Bradley hostage situation is going to keep the Cubs from signing Cameron and we'll be stuck with The Great Sam Fuld in CF next year.  Thanks a lot, Jim.

Or, possibly, Fukudome. Asshole Bradley in right.

nice choice jim

The Cubs should definitely continue their policy of blasting "problem" players in public while they're still on the team, though.  Brilliant.  Crane, was that your idea?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 14, 2009, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 14, 2009, 05:49:41 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 14, 2009, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
Ken Rosenthal says Next Great Cubs Signee Mike Cameron is in serious talks with the Red Sox for a two-year deal.

(In contrast to the non-serious talks that keep getting Dempster's contract offers rescinded by humorless GMs)

Looks like the holdup in the Milton Bradley hostage situation is going to keep the Cubs from signing Cameron and we'll be stuck with The Great Sam Fuld in CF next year.  Thanks a lot, Jim.

Or, possibly, Fukudome. Asshole Bradley in right.

nice choice jim

The Cubs should definitely continue their policy of blasting "problem" players in public while they're still on the team, though.  Brilliant.  Crane, was that your idea?

And the fans should continue to rant and boo and pile on every free-agent signing who struggles in April. I'm not saying that Milton would have played better or worse either way but this is an awesome tradition.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on December 14, 2009, 06:55:09 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 14, 2009, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 14, 2009, 05:49:41 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 14, 2009, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
Ken Rosenthal says Next Great Cubs Signee Mike Cameron is in serious talks with the Red Sox for a two-year deal.

(In contrast to the non-serious talks that keep getting Dempster's contract offers rescinded by humorless GMs)

Looks like the holdup in the Milton Bradley hostage situation is going to keep the Cubs from signing Cameron and we'll be stuck with The Great Sam Fuld in CF next year.  Thanks a lot, Jim.

Or, possibly, Fukudome. Asshole Bradley in right.

nice choice jim

The Cubs should definitely continue their policy of blasting "problem" players in public while they're still on the team, though.  Brilliant.  Crane, was that your idea?

And the fans should continue to rant and boo and pile on every free-agent signing who struggles in April. I'm not saying that Milton would have played better or worse either way but this is an awesome tradition.

That's why I'm a fan.  The rich tradition of Chicago Cubs baseball.  I'm glad you "get" it like I do.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 08:03:59 PM
And Mike Cameron is off the board:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hLNe6JuKnC0b4bNuPR9uSgaE65rAD9CJEF2O2

QuoteBoston also reached a tentative agreement on a two-year contract with outfielder Mike Cameron, according to a person familiar with those negotiations. That deal is subject to a physical, the person said on condition of anonymity because the agreement was not yet final.

Welcome to Chicago, Marlon Byrd.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 14, 2009, 08:32:22 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 08:03:59 PM
And Mike Cameron is off the board:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hLNe6JuKnC0b4bNuPR9uSgaE65rAD9CJEF2O2

QuoteBoston also reached a tentative agreement on a two-year contract with outfielder Mike Cameron, according to a person familiar with those negotiations. That deal is subject to a physical, the person said on condition of anonymity because the agreement was not yet final.

Welcome to Chicago The Chi, Marlon Byrd.

Homey'd.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on December 14, 2009, 08:48:12 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 05:59:30 PM
I don't think they want Fukudome playing CF anymore, and for good reason.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a Bradley/Fukudome platoon if that douchebag has to stick around.

While I'm sure you wouldn't be surprised, I would be shocked to see Bradley
platooned with Fukudome.  Some things you might not be aware of :
- Fukudome is not a better hitter against right handers
- only ~25% of at bats are against left handed pitchers
- Fukudome and Bradley make a combined 24 million
- The Cubs aren't going to get a high talent centerfielder
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Shooter on December 14, 2009, 08:56:43 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 14, 2009, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 14, 2009, 05:49:41 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 14, 2009, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
Ken Rosenthal says Next Great Cubs Signee Mike Cameron is in serious talks with the Red Sox for a two-year deal.

(In contrast to the non-serious talks that keep getting Dempster's contract offers rescinded by humorless GMs)

Looks like the holdup in the Milton Bradley hostage situation is going to keep the Cubs from signing Cameron and we'll be stuck with The Great Sam Fuld in CF next year.  Thanks a lot, Jim.

Or, possibly, Fukudome. Asshole Bradley in right.

nice choice jim

The Cubs should definitely continue their policy of blasting "problem" players in public while they're still on the team, though.  Brilliant.  Crane, was that your idea?

And the fans should continue to rant and boo and pile on every free-agent signing who struggles in April. I'm not saying that Milton would have played better or worse either way but this is an awesome tradition.

Don't blame Slaky (or whatever tag he was going by at the time); he was ready for sweaty, shirtless manhugs on Opening Night in Houston.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 14, 2009, 09:01:59 PM
Quote from: Shooter on December 14, 2009, 08:56:43 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 14, 2009, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 14, 2009, 05:49:41 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 14, 2009, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
Ken Rosenthal says Next Great Cubs Signee Mike Cameron is in serious talks with the Red Sox for a two-year deal.

(In contrast to the non-serious talks that keep getting Dempster's contract offers rescinded by humorless GMs)

Looks like the holdup in the Milton Bradley hostage situation is going to keep the Cubs from signing Cameron and we'll be stuck with The Great Sam Fuld in CF next year.  Thanks a lot, Jim.

Or, possibly, Fukudome. Asshole Bradley in right.

nice choice jim

The Cubs should definitely continue their policy of blasting "problem" players in public while they're still on the team, though.  Brilliant.  Crane, was that your idea?

And the fans should continue to rant and boo and pile on every free-agent signing who struggles in April. I'm not saying that Milton would have played better or worse either way but this is an awesome tradition.

Don't blame Slaky (or whatever tag he was going by at the time); he was ready for sweaty, shirtless manhugs on Opening Night in Houston.

Well, it was a day ending in a "y" so...
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on December 14, 2009, 09:46:07 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 14, 2009, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
Ken Rosenthal says Next Great Cubs Signee Mike Cameron is in serious talks with the Red Sox for a two-year deal.

(In contrast to the non-serious talks that keep getting Dempster's contract offers rescinded by humorless GMs)

Looks like the holdup in the Milton Bradley hostage situation is going to keep the Cubs from signing Cameron and we'll be stuck with The Great Sam Fuld in CF next year.  Thanks a lot, Jim.

Or, possibly, Fukudome. Asshole Bradley in right.

Maybe they could move someone other than Bradley?  Is there anyone who is making more money than Bradley, maybe even in the outfield, who would be nice to dump?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on December 14, 2009, 10:00:06 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 14, 2009, 09:46:07 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 14, 2009, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
Ken Rosenthal says Next Great Cubs Signee Mike Cameron is in serious talks with the Red Sox for a two-year deal.

(In contrast to the non-serious talks that keep getting Dempster's contract offers rescinded by humorless GMs)

Looks like the holdup in the Milton Bradley hostage situation is going to keep the Cubs from signing Cameron and we'll be stuck with The Great Sam Fuld in CF next year.  Thanks a lot, Jim.

Or, possibly, Fukudome. Asshole Bradley in right.

Maybe they could move someone other than Bradley?  Is there anyone who is making more money than Bradley, maybe even in the outfield, who would be nice to dump?

I'm sure there are teams lining up to take Soriano and his contract.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 14, 2009, 10:13:46 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 14, 2009, 10:00:06 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 14, 2009, 09:46:07 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 14, 2009, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
Ken Rosenthal says Next Great Cubs Signee Mike Cameron is in serious talks with the Red Sox for a two-year deal.

(In contrast to the non-serious talks that keep getting Dempster's contract offers rescinded by humorless GMs)

Looks like the holdup in the Milton Bradley hostage situation is going to keep the Cubs from signing Cameron and we'll be stuck with The Great Sam Fuld in CF next year.  Thanks a lot, Jim.

Or, possibly, Fukudome. Asshole Bradley in right.

Maybe they could move someone other than Bradley?  Is there anyone who is making more money than Bradley, maybe even in the outfield, who would be nice to dump?

I'm sure there are teams lining up to take Soriano and his contract.

This is the sort of outside-the-box thinking that's gonna make Chuck a radio star!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on December 14, 2009, 10:45:21 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 14, 2009, 10:13:46 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 14, 2009, 10:00:06 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 14, 2009, 09:46:07 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 14, 2009, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 14, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 14, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
Ken Rosenthal says Next Great Cubs Signee Mike Cameron is in serious talks with the Red Sox for a two-year deal.

(In contrast to the non-serious talks that keep getting Dempster's contract offers rescinded by humorless GMs)

Looks like the holdup in the Milton Bradley hostage situation is going to keep the Cubs from signing Cameron and we'll be stuck with The Great Sam Fuld in CF next year.  Thanks a lot, Jim.

Or, possibly, Fukudome. Asshole Bradley in right.

Maybe they could move someone other than Bradley?  Is there anyone who is making more money than Bradley, maybe even in the outfield, who would be nice to dump?

I'm sure there are teams lining up to take Soriano and his contract.

This is the sort of outside-the-box thinking that's gonna make Chuck a radio star!

KRUI had me from 1988 to 1989.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 07:30:52 AM
Great, Cameron's off the board.  Do we even have to play the season out in 2010?  Can we just do a coin flip tourney between Philly, New York, Boston and Los Angeles?  I have zero interest in the 2010 Cubs.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 15, 2009, 07:39:36 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 07:30:52 AM
Great, Cameron's off the board.  Do we even have to play the season out in 2010?  Can we just do a coin flip tourney between Philly, New York, Boston and Los Angeles Seattke?  I have zero interest in the 2010 Cubs.

10 extra win'd
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 15, 2009, 07:45:54 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 15, 2009, 07:39:36 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 07:30:52 AM
Great, Cameron's off the board.  Do we even have to play the season out in 2010?  Can we just do a coin flip tourney between Philly, New York, Boston and Los Angeles Seattke?  I have zero interest in the 2010 Cubs.

10 extra win'd

How much does an authentic Tacoma Rainiers Corey Patterson jersey cost?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Waco Kid on December 15, 2009, 08:03:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 07:30:52 AM
Great, Cameron's off the board.  Do we even have to play the season out in 2010?  Can we just do a coin flip tourney between Philly, New York, Boston and Los Angeles?  I have zero interest in the 2010 Cubs.

We won't be paying attention to the Cubs anyway, as we will watching the Blackhawks march to the Stanley Cup. Once the Hawks are done skating with the Cup we will discover a first place Cubs team.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on December 15, 2009, 08:16:44 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on December 15, 2009, 08:03:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 07:30:52 AM
Great, Cameron's off the board.  Do we even have to play the season out in 2010?  Can we just do a coin flip tourney between Philly, New York, Boston and Los Angeles?  I have zero interest in the 2010 Cubs.

We won't be paying attention to the Cubs anyway, as we will watching the Blackhawks march to the Stanley Cup. Once the Hawks are done skating with the Cup we will discover a first place Cubs team.

Peoria?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on December 15, 2009, 08:51:58 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 15, 2009, 08:16:44 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on December 15, 2009, 08:03:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 07:30:52 AM
Great, Cameron's off the board.  Do we even have to play the season out in 2010?  Can we just do a coin flip tourney between Philly, New York, Boston and Los Angeles?  I have zero interest in the 2010 Cubs.

We won't be paying attention to the Cubs anyway, as we will watching the Blackhawks march to the Stanley Cup. Once the Hawks are done skating with the Cup we will discover a first place Cubs team.

Peoria?

Des Moines!!!!!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 15, 2009, 09:32:31 AM
I cannot watch those Mike Rowe Ford F-150 commercials because of the guy in them that looks like Crane Kenney.  I can't find a picture of the dude, but does anyone know what I'm talking about?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on December 15, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 15, 2009, 09:32:31 AM
I cannot watch those Mike Rowe Ford F-150 commercials because of the guy in them that looks like Crane Kenney.  I can't find a picture of the dude, but does anyone know what I'm talking about?

Does that question include you?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on December 15, 2009, 09:38:22 AM
I don't see it.

(http://dimbulb.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83454a03269e20115723e6383970b-800wi)

(http://miserablecubsfan.com/wp-content/uploads//2009/02/cranekenney.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 15, 2009, 09:39:36 AM
I don't think he meant Mike Rowe looks like Crane Kenney - I think he means there's some other guy in it. However this begs the question - why is Kerm watching commercials so closely? Go get a sandwich. Take a piss. Do something!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 15, 2009, 09:46:35 AM
Quote from: CBStew on December 15, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 15, 2009, 09:32:31 AM
I cannot watch those Mike Rowe Ford F-150 commercials because of the guy in them that looks like Crane Kenney.  I can't find a picture of the dude, but does anyone know what I'm talking about?

Does that question include you?

Yes!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on December 15, 2009, 09:54:58 AM
Kenny gets his man.

"The White Sox acquired Juan Pierre from the Dodgers for two minor league pitchers, according to Yahoo's Tim Brown. The Dodgers will take on roughly half of Pierre salary."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 15, 2009, 09:55:11 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 09:39:36 AM
I don't think he meant Mike Rowe looks like Crane Kenney - I think he means there's some other guy in it. However this begs the question - why is Kerm watching commercials so closely? Go get a sandwich. Take a piss. Do something!

The Ford Truck Expert, right?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 15, 2009, 09:56:20 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 15, 2009, 09:55:11 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 09:39:36 AM
I don't think he meant Mike Rowe looks like Crane Kenney - I think he means there's some other guy in it. However this begs the question - why is Kerm watching commercials so closely? Go get a sandwich. Take a piss. Do something!

The Ford Truck Expert, right?

I have no idea. What day is this? Is this a...
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 15, 2009, 09:58:23 AM
Quote from: BH on December 15, 2009, 09:54:58 AM
Kenny gets his man.

"The White Sox acquired Juan Pierre from the Dodgers for two minor league pitchers, according to Yahoo's Tim Brown. The Dodgers will take on roughly half of Pierre salary."

Ooh, he's super grindey. The Sox will love him.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Richard Chuggar on December 15, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 09:39:36 AM
I don't think he meant Mike Rowe looks like Crane Kenney - I think he means there's some other guy in it. However this begs the question - why is Kerm watching commercials so closely? Go get a sandwich. Take a piss. Do something!

Fast forward?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 15, 2009, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 15, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 09:39:36 AM
I don't think he meant Mike Rowe looks like Crane Kenney - I think he means there's some other guy in it. However this begs the question - why is Kerm watching commercials so closely? Go get a sandwich. Take a piss. Do something!

Fast forward?

I was going to say that but I assume Kerm was seeing these commercials when he was watching sports.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Waco Kid on December 15, 2009, 10:03:31 AM
Quote from: BH on December 15, 2009, 09:54:58 AM
Kenny gets his man.

"The White Sox acquired Juan Pierre from the Dodgers for two minor league pitchers, according to Yahoo's Tim Brown. The Dodgers will take on roughly half of Pierre salary."

OZZIEBALL!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 15, 2009, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 15, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 09:39:36 AM
I don't think he meant Mike Rowe looks like Crane Kenney - I think he means there's some other guy in it. However this begs the question - why is Kerm watching commercials so closely? Go get a sandwich. Take a piss. Do something!

Fast forward?

I was going to say that but I assume Kerm was seeing these commercials when he was watching sports.

Also, fast forwarding advertising is like stealing bread from the mouths of PenFoe's family.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 10:26:07 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 15, 2009, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 15, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 09:39:36 AM
I don't think he meant Mike Rowe looks like Crane Kenney - I think he means there's some other guy in it. However this begs the question - why is Kerm watching commercials so closely? Go get a sandwich. Take a piss. Do something!

Fast forward?

I was going to say that but I assume Kerm was seeing these commercials when he was watching sports.

Also, fast forwarding advertising is like stealing bread from the mouths of PenFoe's family.

It's all fun and games until BabyPen is roaming the streets of Phoenix begging for strained sweet potatoes and breast milk.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 15, 2009, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 15, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 09:39:36 AM
I don't think he meant Mike Rowe looks like Crane Kenney - I think he means there's some other guy in it. However this begs the question - why is Kerm watching commercials so closely? Go get a sandwich. Take a piss. Do something!

Fast forward?

I was going to say that but I assume Kerm was seeing these commercials when he was watching sports.

Indeed.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Richard Chuggar on December 15, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 10:26:07 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 15, 2009, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 15, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 09:39:36 AM
I don't think he meant Mike Rowe looks like Crane Kenney - I think he means there's some other guy in it. However this begs the question - why is Kerm watching commercials so closely? Go get a sandwich. Take a piss. Do something!

Fast forward?

I was going to say that but I assume Kerm was seeing these commercials when he was watching sports.

Also, fast forwarding advertising is like stealing bread from the mouths of PenFoe's family.

It's all fun and games until BabyPen is roaming the streets of Phoenix begging for strained sweet potatoes and breast milk.

Wouldn't one of PenFoe's commercials have to actually make it on the air for this to happen?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 10:53:59 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 15, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 10:26:07 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 15, 2009, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 15, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 09:39:36 AM
I don't think he meant Mike Rowe looks like Crane Kenney - I think he means there's some other guy in it. However this begs the question - why is Kerm watching commercials so closely? Go get a sandwich. Take a piss. Do something!

Fast forward?

I was going to say that but I assume Kerm was seeing these commercials when he was watching sports.

Also, fast forwarding advertising is like stealing bread from the mouths of PenFoe's family.

It's all fun and games until BabyPen is roaming the streets of Phoenix begging for strained sweet potatoes and breast milk.

Wouldn't one of PenFoe's commercials have to actually make it on the air for this to happen?

You wouldn't have seen them, our products' demographics don't reach the "TV shows targeted towards 13 year old girls" crowd.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 15, 2009, 11:05:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 10:53:59 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 15, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 10:26:07 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 15, 2009, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 15, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 09:39:36 AM
I don't think he meant Mike Rowe looks like Crane Kenney - I think he means there's some other guy in it. However this begs the question - why is Kerm watching commercials so closely? Go get a sandwich. Take a piss. Do something!

Fast forward?

I was going to say that but I assume Kerm was seeing these commercials when he was watching sports.

Also, fast forwarding advertising is like stealing bread from the mouths of PenFoe's family.

It's all fun and games until BabyPen is roaming the streets of Phoenix begging for strained sweet potatoes and breast milk.

Wouldn't one of PenFoe's commercials have to actually make it on the air for this to happen?

You wouldn't have seen them, our products' demographics don't reach the "TV shows targeted towards 13 year old girls" crowd.

Also: the romantic-pussies-with-deaf-girlfriends-at-christmas demo.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 11:58:36 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 15, 2009, 11:05:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 10:53:59 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 15, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 10:26:07 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on December 15, 2009, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 15, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 09:39:36 AM
I don't think he meant Mike Rowe looks like Crane Kenney - I think he means there's some other guy in it. However this begs the question - why is Kerm watching commercials so closely? Go get a sandwich. Take a piss. Do something!

Fast forward?

I was going to say that but I assume Kerm was seeing these commercials when he was watching sports.

Also, fast forwarding advertising is like stealing bread from the mouths of PenFoe's family.

It's all fun and games until BabyPen is roaming the streets of Phoenix begging for strained sweet potatoes and breast milk.

Wouldn't one of PenFoe's commercials have to actually make it on the air for this to happen?

You wouldn't have seen them, our products' demographics don't reach the "TV shows targeted towards 13 year old girls" crowd.

Also: the romantic-pussies-with-deaf-girlfriends-at-christmas demo.

They may as well make a sequel to that spot where the guy is packing 12 inches.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 15, 2009, 12:52:33 PM
So, if the Cubs don't sign Byrd, then they can't really trade Bradley. Ankiel or Podsednik in center? Fuck that shit.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 15, 2009, 12:56:04 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 15, 2009, 12:52:33 PM
So, if the Cubs don't sign Byrd, then they can't really trade Bradley. Ankiel or Podsednik in center? Fuck that shit.

What about his 76 OPS+ from last year doesn't appeal to you?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 15, 2009, 01:01:57 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 12:56:04 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 15, 2009, 12:52:33 PM
So, if the Cubs don't sign Byrd, then they can't really trade Bradley. Ankiel or Podsednik in center? Fuck that shit.

What about his 76 OPS+ from last year doesn't appeal to you?

The only thing I can say about Ankiel is that he takes after Hancock and can run wrecklessly into a stationary object. (http://www.faniq.com/blog/Video-Rick-Ankiel-Crashes-Headfirst-Into-Outfield-Wall-Making-Diving-Catch-Blog-23392)

(I was at that game and it looked pretty painful)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on December 15, 2009, 01:04:37 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 15, 2009, 12:52:33 PM
So, if the Cubs don't sign Byrd, then they can't really trade Bradley. Ankiel or Podsednik in center? Fuck that shit.

Ernie Banks: The Cubs In 10, Will Suck Again.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Inevitable. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz)

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According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs are stepping up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd.

The Cubs will have to look at alternatives now that they lost out on Mike Cameron, who agreed to terms with Boston this week. Byrd, 32, batted .283/.329/.479 with 20 homers, 89 RBI and 43 doubles in '09. If he signs with Chicago, he'll be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. It's believed that Cubs will need to shed some payroll -- most likely through a Milton Bradley trade -- before any additional spending takes place.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Inevitable. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz)

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According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs are stepping up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd.

The Cubs will have to look at alternatives now that they lost out on Mike Cameron, who agreed to terms with Boston this week. Byrd, 32, batted .283/.329/.479 with 20 homers, 89 RBI and 43 doubles in '09. If he signs with Chicago, he'll be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. It's believed that Cubs will need to shed some payroll -- most likely through a Milton Bradley trade -- before any additional spending takes place.

I'm no statfaggatron, but those are better than Cameron's numbers.  And Byrd's younger.  Is there a faggy stat that confirms me wanting the Cubs to sign Cameron over Byrd?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 15, 2009, 02:32:11 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Inevitable. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz)

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According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs are stepping up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd.

The Cubs will have to look at alternatives now that they lost out on Mike Cameron, who agreed to terms with Boston this week. Byrd, 32, batted .283/.329/.479 with 20 homers, 89 RBI and 43 doubles in '09. If he signs with Chicago, he'll be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. It's believed that Cubs will need to shed some payroll -- most likely through a Milton Bradley trade -- before any additional spending takes place.

I'm no statfaggatron, but those are better than Cameron's numbers.  And Byrd's younger.  Is there a faggy stat that confirms me wanting the Cubs to sign Cameron over Byrd?

Let's just keep Milt. Come on, make it so.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 15, 2009, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 02:32:11 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Inevitable. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz)

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According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs are stepping up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd.

The Cubs will have to look at alternatives now that they lost out on Mike Cameron, who agreed to terms with Boston this week. Byrd, 32, batted .283/.329/.479 with 20 homers, 89 RBI and 43 doubles in '09. If he signs with Chicago, he'll be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. It's believed that Cubs will need to shed some payroll -- most likely through a Milton Bradley trade -- before any additional spending takes place.

I'm no statfaggatron, but those are better than Cameron's numbers.  And Byrd's younger.  Is there a faggy stat that confirms me wanting the Cubs to sign Cameron over Byrd?

Let's just keep Milt. Come on, make it so.

Let's get Morgan Morgan.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Inevitable. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz)

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According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs are stepping up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd.

The Cubs will have to look at alternatives now that they lost out on Mike Cameron, who agreed to terms with Boston this week. Byrd, 32, batted .283/.329/.479 with 20 homers, 89 RBI and 43 doubles in '09. If he signs with Chicago, he'll be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. It's believed that Cubs will need to shed some payroll -- most likely through a Milton Bradley trade -- before any additional spending takes place.

I'm no statfaggatron, but those are better than Cameron's numbers.  And Byrd's younger.  Is there a faggy stat that confirms me wanting the Cubs to sign Cameron over Byrd?

For one, Byrd played half his games in Arlington.  He's not a bad defender, but Cameron is much better.  And Cameron has been amazingly consistent throughout most of his career, whereas Byrd wasn't very good at all before going to Texas.  If the Cubs don't overpay for him, I'm fine with the signing.  But they probably will, so fuck it, keep Milton.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 15, 2009, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Inevitable. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz)

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According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs are stepping up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd.

The Cubs will have to look at alternatives now that they lost out on Mike Cameron, who agreed to terms with Boston this week. Byrd, 32, batted .283/.329/.479 with 20 homers, 89 RBI and 43 doubles in '09. If he signs with Chicago, he'll be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. It's believed that Cubs will need to shed some payroll -- most likely through a Milton Bradley trade -- before any additional spending takes place.

I'm no statfaggatron, but those are better than Cameron's numbers.  And Byrd's younger.  Is there a faggy stat that confirms me wanting the Cubs to sign Cameron over Byrd?

For one, Byrd played half his games in Arlington.  He's not a bad defender, but Cameron is much better.  And Cameron has been amazingly consistent throughout most of his career, whereas Byrd wasn't very good at all before going to Texas.  If the Cubs don't overpay for him, I'm fine with the signing.  But they probably will, so fuck it, keep Milton.

Byrd hit 14 homers in Arlington last year and 6 on the road. His road OPS+ was still over 100 but it was about 20 points higher at home. He definitely had a career year and his combined OPS+ for the season was 106. That doesn't amaze me. He did have a .380 OBA in 2008 but had 200 less at bats than in 2009.

Look, this team is going to be average no matter how the fatso in charge moves things around. Let's just keep Milton so there's a reason to watch. Also because he's better than all these retarded options I keep hearing about.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Inevitable. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz)

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According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs are stepping up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd.

The Cubs will have to look at alternatives now that they lost out on Mike Cameron, who agreed to terms with Boston this week. Byrd, 32, batted .283/.329/.479 with 20 homers, 89 RBI and 43 doubles in '09. If he signs with Chicago, he'll be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. It's believed that Cubs will need to shed some payroll -- most likely through a Milton Bradley trade -- before any additional spending takes place.

I'm no statfaggatron, but those are better than Cameron's numbers.  And Byrd's younger.  Is there a faggy stat that confirms me wanting the Cubs to sign Cameron over Byrd?

For one, Byrd played half his games in Arlington.  He's not a bad defender, but Cameron is much better.  And Cameron has been amazingly consistent throughout most of his career, whereas Byrd wasn't very good at all before going to Texas.  If the Cubs don't overpay for him, I'm fine with the signing.  But they probably will, so fuck it, keep Milton.

Byrd hit 14 homers in Arlington last year and 6 on the road. His road OPS+ was still over 100 but it was about 20 points higher at home. He definitely had a career year and his combined OPS+ for the season was 106. That doesn't amaze me. He did have a .380 OBA in 2008 but had 200 less at bats than in 2009.

Look, this team is going to be average no matter how the fatso in charge moves things around. Let's just keep Milton so there's a reason to watch. Also because he's better than all these retarded options I keep hearing about.

Okay, THIS.  But, how does Wrigley compare to Arlington in the "hitter's ballpark" category?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on December 15, 2009, 03:09:47 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
I'm no statfaggatron, but those are better than Cameron's numbers.  And Byrd's younger.  Is there a faggy stat that confirms me wanting the Cubs to sign Cameron over Byrd?

Defense.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 15, 2009, 03:11:00 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Inevitable. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz)

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According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs are stepping up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd.

The Cubs will have to look at alternatives now that they lost out on Mike Cameron, who agreed to terms with Boston this week. Byrd, 32, batted .283/.329/.479 with 20 homers, 89 RBI and 43 doubles in '09. If he signs with Chicago, he'll be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. It's believed that Cubs will need to shed some payroll -- most likely through a Milton Bradley trade -- before any additional spending takes place.

I'm no statfaggatron, but those are better than Cameron's numbers.  And Byrd's younger.  Is there a faggy stat that confirms me wanting the Cubs to sign Cameron over Byrd?

For one, Byrd played half his games in Arlington.  He's not a bad defender, but Cameron is much better.  And Cameron has been amazingly consistent throughout most of his career, whereas Byrd wasn't very good at all before going to Texas.  If the Cubs don't overpay for him, I'm fine with the signing.  But they probably will, so fuck it, keep Milton.

Byrd hit 14 homers in Arlington last year and 6 on the road. His road OPS+ was still over 100 but it was about 20 points higher at home. He definitely had a career year and his combined OPS+ for the season was 106. That doesn't amaze me. He did have a .380 OBA in 2008 but had 200 less at bats than in 2009.

Look, this team is going to be average no matter how the fatso in charge moves things around. Let's just keep Milton so there's a reason to watch. Also because he's better than all these retarded options I keep hearing about.

Okay, THIS.  But, how does Wrigley compare to Arlington in the "hitter's ballpark" category?

I don't know - this isn't my area. I'm in over my head. Keep Milton.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 15, 2009, 03:19:25 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Inevitable. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz)

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According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs are stepping up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd.

The Cubs will have to look at alternatives now that they lost out on Mike Cameron, who agreed to terms with Boston this week. Byrd, 32, batted .283/.329/.479 with 20 homers, 89 RBI and 43 doubles in '09. If he signs with Chicago, he'll be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. It's believed that Cubs will need to shed some payroll -- most likely through a Milton Bradley trade -- before any additional spending takes place.

I'm no statfaggatron, but those are better than Cameron's numbers.  And Byrd's younger.  Is there a faggy stat that confirms me wanting the Cubs to sign Cameron over Byrd?

For one, Byrd played half his games in Arlington.  He's not a bad defender, but Cameron is much better.  And Cameron has been amazingly consistent throughout most of his career, whereas Byrd wasn't very good at all before going to Texas.  If the Cubs don't overpay for him, I'm fine with the signing.  But they probably will, so fuck it, keep Milton.

Byrd hit 14 homers in Arlington last year and 6 on the road. His road OPS+ was still over 100 but it was about 20 points higher at home. He definitely had a career year and his combined OPS+ for the season was 106. That doesn't amaze me. He did have a .380 OBA in 2008 but had 200 less at bats than in 2009.

Look, this team is going to be average no matter how the fatso in charge moves things around. Let's just keep Milton so there's a reason to watch. Also because he's better than all these retarded options I keep hearing about.

Okay, THIS.  But, how does Wrigley compare to Arlington in the "hitter's ballpark" category?

When it comes to park factor, Wrigley's a bit more of a "hitter's park" than Arlington..

RV made the point that it doesn't account for quality of pitching.. However, the Rangers are around 15-20th in the league in pitching.. That would skew their park factor up.. The Cubs pitching is top 5-10. That would skew their park factor downward..

On the flipside of that, the Rangers' semi-poor pitching could have been because their park is a hitter's park in general. I know I'm basically arguing my own point, but they are a couple decent points that I don't fully have the answer to.

I have yet to find (or look) for something that fully incorporates an adequate balance between the two
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 03:23:00 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 15, 2009, 03:19:25 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Inevitable. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz)

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According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs are stepping up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd.

The Cubs will have to look at alternatives now that they lost out on Mike Cameron, who agreed to terms with Boston this week. Byrd, 32, batted .283/.329/.479 with 20 homers, 89 RBI and 43 doubles in '09. If he signs with Chicago, he'll be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. It's believed that Cubs will need to shed some payroll -- most likely through a Milton Bradley trade -- before any additional spending takes place.

I'm no statfaggatron, but those are better than Cameron's numbers.  And Byrd's younger.  Is there a faggy stat that confirms me wanting the Cubs to sign Cameron over Byrd?

For one, Byrd played half his games in Arlington.  He's not a bad defender, but Cameron is much better.  And Cameron has been amazingly consistent throughout most of his career, whereas Byrd wasn't very good at all before going to Texas.  If the Cubs don't overpay for him, I'm fine with the signing.  But they probably will, so fuck it, keep Milton.

Byrd hit 14 homers in Arlington last year and 6 on the road. His road OPS+ was still over 100 but it was about 20 points higher at home. He definitely had a career year and his combined OPS+ for the season was 106. That doesn't amaze me. He did have a .380 OBA in 2008 but had 200 less at bats than in 2009.

Look, this team is going to be average no matter how the fatso in charge moves things around. Let's just keep Milton so there's a reason to watch. Also because he's better than all these retarded options I keep hearing about.

Okay, THIS.  But, how does Wrigley compare to Arlington in the "hitter's ballpark" category?

When it comes to park factor, Wrigley's a bit more of a "hitter's park" than Arlington..

RV made the point that it doesn't account for quality of pitching.. However, the Rangers are around 15-20th in the league in pitching.. That would skew their park factor up.. The Cubs pitching is top 5-10. That would skew their park factor downward..

On the flipside of that, the Rangers' semi-poor pitching could have been because their park is a hitter's park in general. I know I'm basically arguing my own point, but they are a couple decent points that I don't fully have the answer to.

I have yet to find (or look) for something that fully incorporates an adequate balance between the two

This is all very confusing.  Keep Milton.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 15, 2009, 03:26:47 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 03:23:00 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 15, 2009, 03:19:25 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Inevitable. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz)

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According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs are stepping up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd.

The Cubs will have to look at alternatives now that they lost out on Mike Cameron, who agreed to terms with Boston this week. Byrd, 32, batted .283/.329/.479 with 20 homers, 89 RBI and 43 doubles in '09. If he signs with Chicago, he'll be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. It's believed that Cubs will need to shed some payroll -- most likely through a Milton Bradley trade -- before any additional spending takes place.

I'm no statfaggatron, but those are better than Cameron's numbers.  And Byrd's younger.  Is there a faggy stat that confirms me wanting the Cubs to sign Cameron over Byrd?

For one, Byrd played half his games in Arlington.  He's not a bad defender, but Cameron is much better.  And Cameron has been amazingly consistent throughout most of his career, whereas Byrd wasn't very good at all before going to Texas.  If the Cubs don't overpay for him, I'm fine with the signing.  But they probably will, so fuck it, keep Milton.

Byrd hit 14 homers in Arlington last year and 6 on the road. His road OPS+ was still over 100 but it was about 20 points higher at home. He definitely had a career year and his combined OPS+ for the season was 106. That doesn't amaze me. He did have a .380 OBA in 2008 but had 200 less at bats than in 2009.

Look, this team is going to be average no matter how the fatso in charge moves things around. Let's just keep Milton so there's a reason to watch. Also because he's better than all these retarded options I keep hearing about.

Okay, THIS.  But, how does Wrigley compare to Arlington in the "hitter's ballpark" category?

When it comes to park factor, Wrigley's a bit more of a "hitter's park" than Arlington..

RV made the point that it doesn't account for quality of pitching.. However, the Rangers are around 15-20th in the league in pitching.. That would skew their park factor up.. The Cubs pitching is top 5-10. That would skew their park factor downward..

On the flipside of that, the Rangers' semi-poor pitching could have been because their park is a hitter's park in general. I know I'm basically arguing my own point, but they are a couple decent points that I don't fully have the answer to.

I have yet to find (or look) for something that fully incorporates an adequate balance between the two

This is all very confusing.  Keep Milton.

It's just so much easier to do nothing than something.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 03:27:43 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 03:26:47 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 03:23:00 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 15, 2009, 03:19:25 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Inevitable. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz)

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According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs are stepping up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd.

The Cubs will have to look at alternatives now that they lost out on Mike Cameron, who agreed to terms with Boston this week. Byrd, 32, batted .283/.329/.479 with 20 homers, 89 RBI and 43 doubles in '09. If he signs with Chicago, he'll be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. It's believed that Cubs will need to shed some payroll -- most likely through a Milton Bradley trade -- before any additional spending takes place.

I'm no statfaggatron, but those are better than Cameron's numbers.  And Byrd's younger.  Is there a faggy stat that confirms me wanting the Cubs to sign Cameron over Byrd?

For one, Byrd played half his games in Arlington.  He's not a bad defender, but Cameron is much better.  And Cameron has been amazingly consistent throughout most of his career, whereas Byrd wasn't very good at all before going to Texas.  If the Cubs don't overpay for him, I'm fine with the signing.  But they probably will, so fuck it, keep Milton.

Byrd hit 14 homers in Arlington last year and 6 on the road. His road OPS+ was still over 100 but it was about 20 points higher at home. He definitely had a career year and his combined OPS+ for the season was 106. That doesn't amaze me. He did have a .380 OBA in 2008 but had 200 less at bats than in 2009.

Look, this team is going to be average no matter how the fatso in charge moves things around. Let's just keep Milton so there's a reason to watch. Also because he's better than all these retarded options I keep hearing about.

Okay, THIS.  But, how does Wrigley compare to Arlington in the "hitter's ballpark" category?

When it comes to park factor, Wrigley's a bit more of a "hitter's park" than Arlington..

RV made the point that it doesn't account for quality of pitching.. However, the Rangers are around 15-20th in the league in pitching.. That would skew their park factor up.. The Cubs pitching is top 5-10. That would skew their park factor downward..

On the flipside of that, the Rangers' semi-poor pitching could have been because their park is a hitter's park in general. I know I'm basically arguing my own point, but they are a couple decent points that I don't fully have the answer to.

I have yet to find (or look) for something that fully incorporates an adequate balance between the two

This is all very confusing.  Keep Milton.

It's just so much easier to do nothing than something.

That's what Jim's doing.  I actually thought that Cameron would be locked up.  I guess it shows how good of a player he is if he gets two years from Boston.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on December 15, 2009, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 03:23:00 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 15, 2009, 03:19:25 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Inevitable. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz)

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According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs are stepping up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd.

The Cubs will have to look at alternatives now that they lost out on Mike Cameron, who agreed to terms with Boston this week. Byrd, 32, batted .283/.329/.479 with 20 homers, 89 RBI and 43 doubles in '09. If he signs with Chicago, he'll be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. It's believed that Cubs will need to shed some payroll -- most likely through a Milton Bradley trade -- before any additional spending takes place.

I'm no statfaggatron, but those are better than Cameron's numbers.  And Byrd's younger.  Is there a faggy stat that confirms me wanting the Cubs to sign Cameron over Byrd?

For one, Byrd played half his games in Arlington.  He's not a bad defender, but Cameron is much better.  And Cameron has been amazingly consistent throughout most of his career, whereas Byrd wasn't very good at all before going to Texas.  If the Cubs don't overpay for him, I'm fine with the signing.  But they probably will, so fuck it, keep Milton.

Byrd hit 14 homers in Arlington last year and 6 on the road. His road OPS+ was still over 100 but it was about 20 points higher at home. He definitely had a career year and his combined OPS+ for the season was 106. That doesn't amaze me. He did have a .380 OBA in 2008 but had 200 less at bats than in 2009.

Look, this team is going to be average no matter how the fatso in charge moves things around. Let's just keep Milton so there's a reason to watch. Also because he's better than all these retarded options I keep hearing about.

Okay, THIS.  But, how does Wrigley compare to Arlington in the "hitter's ballpark" category?

When it comes to park factor, Wrigley's a bit more of a "hitter's park" than Arlington..

RV made the point that it doesn't account for quality of pitching.. However, the Rangers are around 15-20th in the league in pitching.. That would skew their park factor up.. The Cubs pitching is top 5-10. That would skew their park factor downward..

On the flipside of that, the Rangers' semi-poor pitching could have been because their park is a hitter's park in general. I know I'm basically arguing my own point, but they are a couple decent points that I don't fully have the answer to.

I have yet to find (or look) for something that fully incorporates an adequate balance between the two

This is all very confusing.  Keep Milton.

Maybe this will simplify it.

Gary Matthews Jr. sucked in Chicago.

Gary Matthews Jr. didn't suck in Arlington.

Of course I'm not sure he was doing roids when he was in Chicago so that might skew things a little.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 15, 2009, 03:42:48 PM
Cameron at 2 years for $15.5M was a very, very good deal for Boston, which is exactly why Jim Hendry wasn't in on it.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on December 15, 2009, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 15, 2009, 03:40:47 PM

Maybe this will simplify it.

Gary Matthews Jr. sucked in Chicago.

Gary Matthews Jr. didn't suck in Arlington.

Of course I'm not sure he was doing roids when he was in Chicago so that might skew things a little.

That applies to a lot of guys.  Like Mark DeRosa.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 15, 2009, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 15, 2009, 03:40:47 PM

Maybe this will simplify it.

Gary Matthews Jr. sucked in Chicago.

Gary Matthews Jr. didn't suck in Arlington.

Of course I'm not sure he was doing roids when he was in Chicago so that might skew things a little.

That applies to a lot of guys.  Like Mark DeRosa.

Except the part about where he sucked in Chicago.

So really none of it applies to DeRosa.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 15, 2009, 04:45:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 15, 2009, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 15, 2009, 03:40:47 PM

Maybe this will simplify it.

Gary Matthews Jr. sucked in Chicago.

Gary Matthews Jr. didn't suck in Arlington.

Of course I'm not sure he was doing roids when he was in Chicago so that might skew things a little.

That applies to a lot of guys.  Like Mark DeRosa.

Except the part about where he sucked in Chicago.

So really none of it applies to DeRosa.

Maybe he means DeRosa was on roids in Chicago. Otherwise it's another baffling UpChuck.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on December 15, 2009, 04:46:01 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 04:45:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 15, 2009, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 15, 2009, 03:40:47 PM

Maybe this will simplify it.

Gary Matthews Jr. sucked in Chicago.

Gary Matthews Jr. didn't suck in Arlington.

Of course I'm not sure he was doing roids when he was in Chicago so that might skew things a little.

That applies to a lot of guys.  Like Mark DeRosa.

Except the part about where he sucked in Chicago.

So really none of it applies to DeRosa.

Maybe he means DeRosa was on roids in Chicago. Otherwise it's another baffling UpChuck.

I didn't know fat chicks were classified as steroids now.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on December 15, 2009, 05:22:35 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 15, 2009, 03:19:25 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Inevitable. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz)

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According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs are stepping up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd.

The Cubs will have to look at alternatives now that they lost out on Mike Cameron, who agreed to terms with Boston this week. Byrd, 32, batted .283/.329/.479 with 20 homers, 89 RBI and 43 doubles in '09. If he signs with Chicago, he'll be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. It's believed that Cubs will need to shed some payroll -- most likely through a Milton Bradley trade -- before any additional spending takes place.

I'm no statfaggatron, but those are better than Cameron's numbers.  And Byrd's younger.  Is there a faggy stat that confirms me wanting the Cubs to sign Cameron over Byrd?

For one, Byrd played half his games in Arlington.  He's not a bad defender, but Cameron is much better.  And Cameron has been amazingly consistent throughout most of his career, whereas Byrd wasn't very good at all before going to Texas.  If the Cubs don't overpay for him, I'm fine with the signing.  But they probably will, so fuck it, keep Milton.

Byrd hit 14 homers in Arlington last year and 6 on the road. His road OPS+ was still over 100 but it was about 20 points higher at home. He definitely had a career year and his combined OPS+ for the season was 106. That doesn't amaze me. He did have a .380 OBA in 2008 but had 200 less at bats than in 2009.

Look, this team is going to be average no matter how the fatso in charge moves things around. Let's just keep Milton so there's a reason to watch. Also because he's better than all these retarded options I keep hearing about.

Okay, THIS.  But, how does Wrigley compare to Arlington in the "hitter's ballpark" category?

When it comes to park factor, Wrigley's a bit more of a "hitter's park" than Arlington..

RV made the point that it doesn't account for quality of pitching.. However, the Rangers are around 15-20th in the league in pitching.. That would skew their park factor up.. The Cubs pitching is top 5-10. That would skew their park factor downward..

On the flipside of that, the Rangers' semi-poor pitching could have been because their park is a hitter's park in general. I know I'm basically arguing my own point, but they are a couple decent points that I don't fully have the answer to.

I have yet to find (or look) for something that fully incorporates an adequate balance between the two

I think Yeti just explained why quality of pitching is inherently incorporated into park factor.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 06:14:06 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 15, 2009, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 15, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 15, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Inevitable. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz)

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According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs are stepping up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd.

The Cubs will have to look at alternatives now that they lost out on Mike Cameron, who agreed to terms with Boston this week. Byrd, 32, batted .283/.329/.479 with 20 homers, 89 RBI and 43 doubles in '09. If he signs with Chicago, he'll be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. It's believed that Cubs will need to shed some payroll -- most likely through a Milton Bradley trade -- before any additional spending takes place.

I'm no statfaggatron, but those are better than Cameron's numbers.  And Byrd's younger.  Is there a faggy stat that confirms me wanting the Cubs to sign Cameron over Byrd?

For one, Byrd played half his games in Arlington.  He's not a bad defender, but Cameron is much better.  And Cameron has been amazingly consistent throughout most of his career, whereas Byrd wasn't very good at all before going to Texas.  If the Cubs don't overpay for him, I'm fine with the signing.  But they probably will, so fuck it, keep Milton.

Byrd hit 14 homers in Arlington last year and 6 on the road. His road OPS+ was still over 100 but it was about 20 points higher at home. He definitely had a career year and his combined OPS+ for the season was 106. That doesn't amaze me. He did have a .380 OBA in 2008 but had 200 less at bats than in 2009.

Look, this team is going to be average no matter how the fatso in charge moves things around. Let's just keep Milton so there's a reason to watch. Also because he's better than all these retarded options I keep hearing about.

The thing is, the Cubs shouldn't be a simply average team.  Considering the 2009 team had just about the same roster as a 2008 team that was the best in the National League, and now this 2010 team won't be much different, they should still be able to easily take the division, barring another injury-plagued season.  Now, a lot of players had career years in 2008, and we got way more production out of CF than we would have ever expected, but we still had a very bad offensive player in RF (Kosuke) and Derrek Lee wasn't nearly as good as he was last year.  If Soto rebounds, Baker becomes The Next Mark DeRosa, and we either have a Soriano-Fukudome-Bradley or Soriano-Byrd-Fukudome across the outfield, the Cubs should still be a very good team.  While Soriano is clearly regressing, you'd have to assume he'll revert back at least very close to his career norms.  I'm fine with Hendry signing Byrd to a short, affordable contract (though I'd rather keep Milton) and maybe grabbing a back-of-the-rotation starter.  Other than Holliday, the free agents available aren't really worth the money it would take to sign them, although that Cameron signing would have been nice.  I'd love to take a risk on Ben Sheets, but somehow he's asking for $12 million annually, which is just the kind of contract that Jim would like to hand out.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on December 15, 2009, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 06:14:06 PM
Other than Holliday, the free agents available aren't really worth the money it would take to sign them

I'm nitpicking here, but Holliday definitely won't be worth the money is takes to sign him.

Other than that, I pretty much agree with you.  The Cubs will probably be constructed as a slightly above-average team in 2010, which means they'll likely win somewhere between 78-88 games, depending on all kinds of luck.

In other words, let's see how it plays out.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on December 16, 2009, 08:36:41 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 15, 2009, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 06:14:06 PM
Other than Holliday, the free agents available aren't really worth the money it would take to sign them

I'm nitpicking here, but Holliday definitely won't be worth the money is takes to sign him.

Other than that, I pretty much agree with you.  The Cubs will probably be constructed as a slightly above-average team in 2010, which means they'll likely win somewhere between 78-88 games, depending on all kinds of luck.

In other words, let's see how it plays out.

85 wins might be enough to take this suck-tastic division.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 16, 2009, 08:52:20 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 16, 2009, 08:36:41 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 15, 2009, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 06:14:06 PM
Other than Holliday, the free agents available aren't really worth the money it would take to sign them

I'm nitpicking here, but Holliday definitely won't be worth the money is takes to sign him.

Other than that, I pretty much agree with you.  The Cubs will probably be constructed as a slightly above-average team in 2010, which means they'll likely win somewhere between 78-88 games, depending on all kinds of luck.

In other words, let's see how it plays out.

85 wins might be enough to take this suck-tastic division.

It will be? I'm fairly confident that the Cardinals are probably a 90 win team again (provided they hang on to Holliday)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 16, 2009, 08:53:31 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 16, 2009, 08:52:20 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 16, 2009, 08:36:41 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 15, 2009, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 06:14:06 PM
Other than Holliday, the free agents available aren't really worth the money it would take to sign them

I'm nitpicking here, but Holliday definitely won't be worth the money is takes to sign him.

Other than that, I pretty much agree with you.  The Cubs will probably be constructed as a slightly above-average team in 2010, which means they'll likely win somewhere between 78-88 games, depending on all kinds of luck.

In other words, let's see how it plays out.

85 wins might be enough to take this suck-tastic division.

It will be? I'm fairly confident that the Cardinals are probably a 90 win team again (provided they hang on to Holliday)

I'm with Yeti on this one. The Cardinals have to be the clear favorites in the division.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 16, 2009, 09:02:19 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 16, 2009, 08:53:31 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 16, 2009, 08:52:20 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 16, 2009, 08:36:41 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 15, 2009, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 06:14:06 PM
Other than Holliday, the free agents available aren't really worth the money it would take to sign them

I'm nitpicking here, but Holliday definitely won't be worth the money is takes to sign him.

Other than that, I pretty much agree with you.  The Cubs will probably be constructed as a slightly above-average team in 2010, which means they'll likely win somewhere between 78-88 games, depending on all kinds of luck.

In other words, let's see how it plays out.

85 wins might be enough to take this suck-tastic division.

It will be? I'm fairly confident that the Cardinals are probably a 90 win team again (provided they hang on to Holliday)

I'm with Yeti on this one. The Cardinals have to be the clear favorites in the division.

Another "if" would be if Carpenter stays alive. He stayed healthy last year, but you never know when he'll break again. I heard the Cardinals were interested in Chen-Ming Wang.. While it appears he's been bad a couple of years, as much as it pains me to think it, under Duncan, he'd probably shine again.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on December 16, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Coco Crisp anyone? Not as good of a hitter as Byrd, but he's younger, better defensively, and you could probably get him on the cheap for one year. As opposed to Marlon's inevitable 3 year deal. Downside: his shoulder might not work.

Really I'm just throwing shit out there at this point. This offseason is humiliating.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on December 16, 2009, 09:40:44 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 16, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Coco Crisp anyone? Not as good of a hitter as Byrd, but he's younger, better defensively, and you could probably get him on the cheap for one year. As opposed to Marlon's inevitable 3 year deal. Downside: his shoulder might not work.

Really I'm just throwing shit out there at this point. This offseason is humiliating.

I'm looking forward to an awesome outfield experience of Soriano, Scotty Pods and Milton Bradley.  It's going to be legendary.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on December 16, 2009, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: CT III on December 16, 2009, 09:40:44 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 16, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Coco Crisp anyone? Not as good of a hitter as Byrd, but he's younger, better defensively, and you could probably get him on the cheap for one year. As opposed to Marlon's inevitable 3 year deal. Downside: his shoulder might not work.

Really I'm just throwing shit out there at this point. This offseason is humiliating.

I'm looking forward to an awesome outfield experience of Soriano, Scotty Pods and Milton Bradley.  It's going to be legendary.

You are a retard if you don't think all of Hendry's moves this offseason are geared toward trading Milton for a 2B.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 16, 2009, 09:46:48 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 16, 2009, 08:52:20 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 16, 2009, 08:36:41 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 15, 2009, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 06:14:06 PM
Other than Holliday, the free agents available aren't really worth the money it would take to sign them

I'm nitpicking here, but Holliday definitely won't be worth the money is takes to sign him.

Other than that, I pretty much agree with you.  The Cubs will probably be constructed as a slightly above-average team in 2010, which means they'll likely win somewhere between 78-88 games, depending on all kinds of luck.

In other words, let's see how it plays out.

85 wins might be enough to take this suck-tastic division.

It will be? I'm fairly confident that the Cardinals are probably a 90 win team again (provided they hang on to Holliday)

If they hang on to Holliday, maybe.  But if they don't, they're still not a very good team.  They have Carpenter (health issues) and Wainwright at the top of that rotation, but then nothing of significance behind them.  Add to that has Colby Rasmus and nothing else, and an infield that only has Pujols and Schumaker.  Their offense is going to be terrible unless they keep Holliday, and their pitching staff will only be decent because Dave Duncan can use his magic to turn Sidney Ponson into a Cy Young candidate.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Waco Kid on December 16, 2009, 09:50:08 AM
Quote from: CT III on December 16, 2009, 09:40:44 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 16, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Coco Crisp anyone? Not as good of a hitter as Byrd, but he's younger, better defensively, and you could probably get him on the cheap for one year. As opposed to Marlon's inevitable 3 year deal. Downside: his shoulder might not work.

Really I'm just throwing shit out there at this point. This offseason is humiliating.

I'm looking forward to an awesome outfield experience of Soriano, Scotty Pods and Milton Bradley.  It's going to be legendary.

This would be an absolutely fabulous outfield.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 16, 2009, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 16, 2009, 09:46:48 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 16, 2009, 08:52:20 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 16, 2009, 08:36:41 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 15, 2009, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 15, 2009, 06:14:06 PM
Other than Holliday, the free agents available aren't really worth the money it would take to sign them

I'm nitpicking here, but Holliday definitely won't be worth the money is takes to sign him.

Other than that, I pretty much agree with you.  The Cubs will probably be constructed as a slightly above-average team in 2010, which means they'll likely win somewhere between 78-88 games, depending on all kinds of luck.

In other words, let's see how it plays out.

85 wins might be enough to take this suck-tastic division.

It will be? I'm fairly confident that the Cardinals are probably a 90 win team again (provided they hang on to Holliday)

If they hang on to Holliday, maybe.  But if they don't, they're still not a very good team.  They have Carpenter (health issues) and Wainwright at the top of that rotation, but then nothing of significance behind them.  Add to that has Colby Rasmus and nothing else, and an infield that only has Pujols and Schumaker.  Their offense is going to be terrible unless they keep Holliday, and their pitching staff will only be decent because Dave Duncan can use his magic to turn Sidney Ponson into a Cy Young candidate.

Oh, only Pujols? Well, forget it then. They suck.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on December 16, 2009, 09:56:57 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 16, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Coco Crisp anyone? Not as good of a hitter as Byrd, but he's younger, better defensively, and you could probably get him on the cheap for one year. As opposed to Marlon's inevitable 3 year deal. Downside: his shoulder might not work.

Really I'm just throwing shit out there at this point. This offseason is humiliating.

Good God.  This season is going to be awful.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on December 16, 2009, 10:09:37 AM
Quote from: BH on December 16, 2009, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: CT III on December 16, 2009, 09:40:44 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 16, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Coco Crisp anyone? Not as good of a hitter as Byrd, but he's younger, better defensively, and you could probably get him on the cheap for one year. As opposed to Marlon's inevitable 3 year deal. Downside: his shoulder might not work.

Really I'm just throwing shit out there at this point. This offseason is humiliating.

I'm looking forward to an awesome outfield experience of Soriano, Scotty Pods and Milton Bradley.  It's going to be legendary.

You are a retard if you don't think all of Hendry's moves this offseason are geared toward trading Milton for a 2B.

PANK MISS DERO!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on December 16, 2009, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 16, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Coco Crisp anyone? Not as good of a hitter as Byrd, but he's younger, better defensively, and you could probably get him on the cheap for one year. As opposed to Marlon's inevitable 3 year deal. Downside: his shoulder might not work.

I guess it could be kind of entertaining to have the two most ridiculously named players in baseball in the same outfield. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 16, 2009, 10:20:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2009, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 16, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Coco Crisp anyone? Not as good of a hitter as Byrd, but he's younger, better defensively, and you could probably get him on the cheap for one year. As opposed to Marlon's inevitable 3 year deal. Downside: his shoulder might not work.

I guess it could be kind of entertaining to have the two most ridiculously named players in baseball in the same outfield. 

We get it - you think Japanese people are inferior.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on December 16, 2009, 10:22:41 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 16, 2009, 10:20:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2009, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 16, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Coco Crisp anyone? Not as good of a hitter as Byrd, but he's younger, better defensively, and you could probably get him on the cheap for one year. As opposed to Marlon's inevitable 3 year deal. Downside: his shoulder might not work.

I guess it could be kind of entertaining to have the two most ridiculously named players in baseball in the same outfield. 

We get it - you think Japanese people are inferior.

I thought he was talking about Adolpho.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on December 16, 2009, 10:26:03 AM
Quote from: CT III on December 16, 2009, 10:22:41 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 16, 2009, 10:20:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2009, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 16, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Coco Crisp anyone? Not as good of a hitter as Byrd, but he's younger, better defensively, and you could probably get him on the cheap for one year. As opposed to Marlon's inevitable 3 year deal. Downside: his shoulder might not work.

I guess it could be kind of entertaining to have the two most ridiculously named players in baseball in the same outfield. 

We get it - you think Japanese people are inferior.

I thought he was talking about Adolpho.

I thought I was talking about Milton Bradley.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 16, 2009, 10:28:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2009, 10:26:03 AM
Quote from: CT III on December 16, 2009, 10:22:41 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 16, 2009, 10:20:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2009, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 16, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Coco Crisp anyone? Not as good of a hitter as Byrd, but he's younger, better defensively, and you could probably get him on the cheap for one year. As opposed to Marlon's inevitable 3 year deal. Downside: his shoulder might not work.

I guess it could be kind of entertaining to have the two most ridiculously named players in baseball in the same outfield. 

We get it - you think Japanese people are inferior.

I thought he was talking about Adolpho.

I thought I was talking about Milton Bradley.

Clearly my jokes are awful. I'll hang up now.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on December 16, 2009, 10:31:15 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 16, 2009, 10:28:09 AM
Clearly my jokes are awful.

Don't you ever say that.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 16, 2009, 10:38:36 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2009, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 16, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Coco Crisp anyone? Not as good of a hitter as Byrd, but he's younger, better defensively, and you could probably get him on the cheap for one year. As opposed to Marlon's inevitable 3 year deal. Downside: his shoulder might not work.

I guess it could be kind of entertaining to have the two most ridiculously named players in baseball in the same outfield. 

I guess you could have asked the Cleveland Indians when they had them both.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on December 16, 2009, 10:54:17 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 16, 2009, 10:38:36 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2009, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 16, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Coco Crisp anyone? Not as good of a hitter as Byrd, but he's younger, better defensively, and you could probably get him on the cheap for one year. As opposed to Marlon's inevitable 3 year deal. Downside: his shoulder might not work.

I guess it could be kind of entertaining to have the two most ridiculously named players in baseball in the same outfield. 

I guess you could have asked the Cleveland Indians when they had them both.

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Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on December 16, 2009, 12:46:52 PM
Quote from: BH on December 16, 2009, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: CT III on December 16, 2009, 09:40:44 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 16, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Coco Crisp anyone? Not as good of a hitter as Byrd, but he's younger, better defensively, and you could probably get him on the cheap for one year. As opposed to Marlon's inevitable 3 year deal. Downside: his shoulder might not work.

Really I'm just throwing shit out there at this point. This offseason is humiliating.

I'm looking forward to an awesome outfield experience of Soriano, Scotty Pods and Milton Bradley.  It's going to be legendary.

You are a retard if you don't think all of Hendry's moves this offseason are geared toward trading Milton for a 2B.

BRIAN ROBERTS!!!!!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on December 17, 2009, 10:55:01 AM
This guy (http://cubsrumorsandnews.blogspot.com/) makes CrazyRumorGuy look official.

"Levine's Lines....
UPDATE- I received a email from Bruce Miles and he said there is no truth to a fire sale before the season and it is unlikely that Jim is fired before the 2010 season as well.

- Levine still thinks once the Cubs trade Milton Bradley for Pat Burrell, Jim will send Burrell to the Mets for Luis Castillo.

- Levine said the Mets need RBI production and Burrell can provide that for them even though we have heard the Mets are not interested in Burrell.

- Levine stated if the Mets signed Bay or Holliday it would not handcuff the Cubs. Burrell would either have to sit for a while or be the platoon partner for Fukudome in RF next season. Whoa!

- Once again the Cubs do not need to trade Bradley to sign free agents. Then why have we not signed anyone?

- The Cubs are considered long shots to sign Aroldis Chapman. Boy would I like to add him to the rotation.

- Byrd is still the Cubs top priority and have stepped up talks since the Cameron signing.

As far as the fire sale goes I am looking into it more but do want to say I am not just pulling this out of the air. I have receive numerous emails on the possible fire sale and it just made sense to me to post it. My sources want to stay secret for various reasons and I respect that and I hope my readers will to as well. If I come across a link or someone confirming a rumor I will post it on my blog. I will back it up with that, this I promise you.

Thanks for reading and posting. I will keep you updated on the Cubs rumors and news as it develops.
Posted by cubsfan82 at 10:20 AM 6 comments "
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Shooter on December 17, 2009, 11:58:20 AM
Quote from: BH on December 17, 2009, 10:55:01 AM
This guy (http://cubsrumorsandnews.blogspot.com/) makes CrazyRumorGuy look official.

"Levine's Lines....
UPDATE- I received a email from Bruce Miles and he said there is no truth to a fire sale before the season and it is unlikely that Jim is fired before the 2010 season as well.

- Levine still thinks once the Cubs trade Milton Bradley for Pat Burrell, Jim will send Burrell to the Mets for Luis Castillo.

- Levine said the Mets need RBI production and Burrell can provide that for them even though we have heard the Mets are not interested in Burrell.

- Levine stated if the Mets signed Bay or Holliday it would not handcuff the Cubs. Burrell would either have to sit for a while or be the platoon partner for Fukudome in RF next season. Whoa!

- Once again the Cubs do not need to trade Bradley to sign free agents. Then why have we not signed anyone?

- The Cubs are considered long shots to sign Aroldis Chapman. Boy would I like to add him to the rotation.

- Byrd is still the Cubs top priority and have stepped up talks since the Cameron signing.

As far as the fire sale goes I am looking into it more but do want to say I am not just pulling this out of the air. I have receive numerous emails on the possible fire sale and it just made sense to me to post it. My sources want to stay secret for various reasons and I respect that and I hope my readers will to as well. If I come across a link or someone confirming a rumor I will post it on my blog. I will back it up with that, this I promise you.

Thanks for reading and posting. I will keep you updated on the Cubs rumors and news as it develops.
Posted by cubsfan82 at 10:20 AM 6 comments "

Nice of him to include his IQ as part of his online identity. Life would much more simple if evryone did.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on December 17, 2009, 11:59:55 AM
Quote from: Shooter on December 17, 2009, 11:58:20 AM
Quote from: BH on December 17, 2009, 10:55:01 AM
This guy (http://cubsrumorsandnews.blogspot.com/) makes CrazyRumorGuy look official.

"Levine's Lines....
UPDATE- I received a email from Bruce Miles and he said there is no truth to a fire sale before the season and it is unlikely that Jim is fired before the 2010 season as well.

- Levine still thinks once the Cubs trade Milton Bradley for Pat Burrell, Jim will send Burrell to the Mets for Luis Castillo.

- Levine said the Mets need RBI production and Burrell can provide that for them even though we have heard the Mets are not interested in Burrell.

- Levine stated if the Mets signed Bay or Holliday it would not handcuff the Cubs. Burrell would either have to sit for a while or be the platoon partner for Fukudome in RF next season. Whoa!

- Once again the Cubs do not need to trade Bradley to sign free agents. Then why have we not signed anyone?

- The Cubs are considered long shots to sign Aroldis Chapman. Boy would I like to add him to the rotation.

- Byrd is still the Cubs top priority and have stepped up talks since the Cameron signing.

As far as the fire sale goes I am looking into it more but do want to say I am not just pulling this out of the air. I have receive numerous emails on the possible fire sale and it just made sense to me to post it. My sources want to stay secret for various reasons and I respect that and I hope my readers will to as well. If I come across a link or someone confirming a rumor I will post it on my blog. I will back it up with that, this I promise you.

Thanks for reading and posting. I will keep you updated on the Cubs rumors and news as it develops.
Posted by cubsfan82 at 10:20 AM 6 comments "

Nice of him to include his IQ as part of his online identity. Life would much more simple if evryone did.

Now I have to go back to bozos72?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 17, 2009, 12:00:34 PM
QuoteANONYMOUS
First if you reveal your sources they are no longer going to be your sources.
Second i don't care which blog or which writers stories you read 90%
of it doesn't happen anyway.
Third this site has been right on alot last year. I know cause i was writting no way we get Miles, no way we get Heilman. But we did.
Maybe you could sign in with a real name instead of ANONYMOUS that way i could see how often you are right. ANONYMOUS

NERD FIGHT!!!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on December 17, 2009, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 17, 2009, 12:00:34 PM
QuoteANONYMOUS
First if you reveal your sources they are no longer going to be your sources.
Second i don't care which blog or which writers stories you read 90%
of it doesn't happen anyway.
Third this site has been right on alot last year. I know cause i was writting no way we get Miles, no way we get Heilman. But we did.
Maybe you could sign in with a real name instead of ANONYMOUS that way i could see how often you are right. ANONYMOUS

NERD FIGHT!!!

You know, that was my first thought as well.  Go figure.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 17, 2009, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: BH on December 17, 2009, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 17, 2009, 12:00:34 PM
QuoteANONYMOUS
First if you reveal your sources they are no longer going to be your sources.
Second i don't care which blog or which writers stories you read 90%
of it doesn't happen anyway.
Third this site has been right on alot last year. I know cause i was writting no way we get Miles, no way we get Heilman. But we did.
Maybe you could sign in with a real name instead of ANONYMOUS that way i could see how often you are right. ANONYMOUS

NERD FIGHT!!!

You know, that was my first thought as well.  Go figure.

Why don't you guys get it over with and touch dongs?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on December 17, 2009, 12:42:10 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 17, 2009, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: BH on December 17, 2009, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 17, 2009, 12:00:34 PM
QuoteANONYMOUS
First if you reveal your sources they are no longer going to be your sources.
Second i don't care which blog or which writers stories you read 90%
of it doesn't happen anyway.
Third this site has been right on alot last year. I know cause i was writting no way we get Miles, no way we get Heilman. But we did.
Maybe you could sign in with a real name instead of ANONYMOUS that way i could see how often you are right. ANONYMOUS

NERD FIGHT!!!

You know, that was my first thought as well.  Go figure.

Why don't you guys get it over with and touch dongs?

BH hasn't seen his own dong in 20 years.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 22, 2009, 07:30:13 AM
When I saw this story yesterday, I thought it would be nothing more than that, but (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34509038/sports/player_news)  it appears there's even more going on than I expected (https://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/6918481692)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 08:18:12 AM
According to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine, free agent reliever Matt Capps "is being pursued aggressively" by the Cubs.

The Nationals are also in the hunt for the recently non-tendered right-hander. The Cubs can't offer him a ninth-inning gig but they will be contenders in 2010 and may be able to outbid Washington. Capps, 26, was disappointing in 2009 but boasts a 3.61 career ERA in 271 2/3 innings.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 22, 2009, 08:50:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 08:18:12 AM
According to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine, free agent reliever Matt Capps "is being pursued aggressively" by the Cubs.

The Nationals are also in the hunt for the recently non-tendered right-hander. The Cubs can't offer him a ninth-inning gig but they will be contenders in 2010 and may be able to outbid Washington. Capps, 26, was disappointing in 2009 but boasts a 3.61 career ERA in 271 2/3 innings.

I saw this one coming a mile away.  Why wouldn't the Cubs want to put another couple million dollars into a middle reliever when the bullpen is the one area this team doesn't have to worry about?  Can they just sign Rick Ankiel already so we can bring this terrible off-season to a close?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 08:55:53 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 22, 2009, 08:50:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 08:18:12 AM
According to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine, free agent reliever Matt Capps "is being pursued aggressively" by the Cubs.

The Nationals are also in the hunt for the recently non-tendered right-hander. The Cubs can't offer him a ninth-inning gig but they will be contenders in 2010 and may be able to outbid Washington. Capps, 26, was disappointing in 2009 but boasts a 3.61 career ERA in 271 2/3 innings.

I saw this one coming a mile away.  Why wouldn't the Cubs want to put another couple million dollars into a middle reliever when the bullpen is the one area this team doesn't have to worry about?  Can they just sign Rick Ankiel already so we can bring this terrible off-season to a close?

Weebs, did you watch the Cubs at all last year?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 09:02:02 AM
DPD:

According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Braves are prepared to send Javier Vazquez and LHP Boone Logan to the Yankees for outfielder Melky Cabrera, LHP Mike Dunn and a prospect.

The unnamed "prospect" may be RHP Arodys Vizcaino, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. In one fell swoop, the Yanks have acquired an excellent starter and freed up a spot in their outfield for a top free agent. Logan, 24, had a 5.19 ERA and 1.73 WHIP in 17 1/3 innings for the Braves this season. Dunn, who's also 24 and is headed to Atlanta, posted a 3.31 ERA and 1.41 WHIP between Double-A Trenton and Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Cabrera, 25, hit .274/.336/.416 in 2009 with 13 home runs, 28 doubles, 10 stolen bases and 68 RBI in 485 at-bats.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on December 22, 2009, 09:43:51 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 09:02:02 AM
DPD:

According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Braves are prepared to send Javier Vazquez and LHP Boone Logan to the Yankees for outfielder Melky Cabrera, LHP Mike Dunn and a prospect.

The unnamed "prospect" may be RHP Arodys Vizcaino, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. In one fell swoop, the Yanks have acquired an excellent starter and freed up a spot in their outfield for a top free agent. Logan, 24, had a 5.19 ERA and 1.73 WHIP in 17 1/3 innings for the Braves this season. Dunn, who's also 24 and is headed to Atlanta, posted a 3.31 ERA and 1.41 WHIP between Double-A Trenton and Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Cabrera, 25, hit .274/.336/.416 in 2009 with 13 home runs, 28 doubles, 10 stolen bases and 68 RBI in 485 at-bats.


So this means....
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 22, 2009, 09:47:09 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 08:55:53 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 22, 2009, 08:50:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 08:18:12 AM
According to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine, free agent reliever Matt Capps "is being pursued aggressively" by the Cubs.

The Nationals are also in the hunt for the recently non-tendered right-hander. The Cubs can't offer him a ninth-inning gig but they will be contenders in 2010 and may be able to outbid Washington. Capps, 26, was disappointing in 2009 but boasts a 3.61 career ERA in 271 2/3 innings.

I saw this one coming a mile away.  Why wouldn't the Cubs want to put another couple million dollars into a middle reliever when the bullpen is the one area this team doesn't have to worry about?  Can they just sign Rick Ankiel already so we can bring this terrible off-season to a close?

Weebs, did you watch the Cubs at all last year?

But relief pitching is incredibly inconsistent and paying several million dollars when you have plenty of pitching talent in the farm system is just a waste of money, especially when other positions are way more important.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 22, 2009, 09:47:43 AM
Quote from: CBStew on December 22, 2009, 09:43:51 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 09:02:02 AM
DPD:

According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Braves are prepared to send Javier Vazquez and LHP Boone Logan to the Yankees for outfielder Melky Cabrera, LHP Mike Dunn and a prospect.

The unnamed "prospect" may be RHP Arodys Vizcaino, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. In one fell swoop, the Yanks have acquired an excellent starter and freed up a spot in their outfield for a top free agent. Logan, 24, had a 5.19 ERA and 1.73 WHIP in 17 1/3 innings for the Braves this season. Dunn, who's also 24 and is headed to Atlanta, posted a 3.31 ERA and 1.41 WHIP between Double-A Trenton and Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Cabrera, 25, hit .274/.336/.416 in 2009 with 13 home runs, 28 doubles, 10 stolen bases and 68 RBI in 485 at-bats.


So this means....

DPD

I think it means the Cubs will not be trading for Melky Cabreara.  Thank god.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on December 22, 2009, 10:28:38 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 22, 2009, 09:47:09 AM
But relief pitching is incredibly inconsistent and paying several million dollars when you have plenty of pitching talent in the farm system is just a waste of money, especially when other positions are way more important.

I'm gonna this a Weebs post.

This.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 22, 2009, 10:32:45 AM
So, if the Cubs trade Zambrano, their starting rotation is:

1.  A serial killer coming off knee surgery who might not be ready for Opening Day.
2.  A second-year player who faded as the year wore on.
3.  A converted closer/rodeo clown.
4.  The result of a failed science experiment in which a man tried to use a transporter on a bear and a pig.
5.  Sloth from Goonies or the best wide receiver in Chicago.

Is that about right?  Sounds fun!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 22, 2009, 10:35:26 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 22, 2009, 10:32:45 AM
So, if the Cubs trade Zambrano, their starting rotation is:

1.  A serial killer coming off knee surgery who might not be ready for Opening Day.
2.  A second-year player who faded as the year wore on.
3.  A converted closer/rodeo clown.
4.  The result of a failed science experiment in which a man tried to use a transporter on a bear and a pig.
5.  Sloth from Goonies or the best wide receiver in Chicago.

Is that about right?  Sounds fun!

It's as if they're trying to remind us of the 90s. Why must we be punished? Who is really running this team?

So many questions...
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 22, 2009, 10:41:58 AM

Trading Carlos Zambrano would be the most idiotic thing the Cubs could do since letting Greg Maddux walk.

That is all.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 22, 2009, 10:44:55 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 22, 2009, 10:41:58 AM

Trading Carlos Zambrano would be the most idiotic thing the Cubs could do since letting Greg Maddux walk.

That is all.

What's the opposite of THIS?

Not This?

Trading Zambrano really wouldn't be that bad unless Hendry is the one who does it.
This team is not 1 Zambrano away from a World Series...as long as the right architect was handling it, a rebuilding wouldn't look so bad.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 22, 2009, 10:49:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2009, 10:44:55 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 22, 2009, 10:41:58 AM

Trading Carlos Zambrano would be the most idiotic thing the Cubs could do since letting Greg Maddux walk.

That is all.

What's the opposite of THIS?

Not This?

Trading Zambrano really wouldn't be that bad unless Hendry is the one who does it.
This team is not 1 Zambrano away from a World Series...as long as the right architect was handling it, a rebuilding wouldn't look so bad.

Suppose you were clearing salary, and were going to use the same amount of money to acquire players.

That amount of money wouldn't get you anyone near the quality of Zambrano...this was the same logic the Cubs tried to apply by getting 3 players for the amount of money it would have taken to keep Maddux.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 22, 2009, 10:51:49 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 22, 2009, 10:49:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2009, 10:44:55 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 22, 2009, 10:41:58 AM

Trading Carlos Zambrano would be the most idiotic thing the Cubs could do since letting Greg Maddux walk.

That is all.

What's the opposite of THIS?

Not This?

Trading Zambrano really wouldn't be that bad unless Hendry is the one who does it.
This team is not 1 Zambrano away from a World Series...as long as the right architect was handling it, a rebuilding wouldn't look so bad.

Suppose you were clearing salary, and were going to use the same amount of money to acquire players.

That amount of money wouldn't get you anyone near the quality of Zambrano...this was the same logic the Cubs tried to apply by getting 3 players for the amount of money it would have taken to keep Maddux.



If you were clearing salary then why would you take the exact same salary and reallocate it?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on December 22, 2009, 11:04:39 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 22, 2009, 10:49:46 AM
That amount of money wouldn't get you anyone near the quality of Zambrano.

Zambrano is going to make between $17-20 million a year during the rest of his contract.  You don't think that amount could be used to get a player better than Zambrano?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 22, 2009, 11:12:46 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 22, 2009, 10:41:58 AM

Trading Carlos Zambrano would be the most idiotic thing the Cubs could do since letting Greg Maddux walk.

That is all.

If they traded him for Carlos Silva or Victor Zambrano, yes.  But until you see what return they could get, I think you might just be acting a tad bit reactionary.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 11:14:11 AM
Not to take away from the Zambrano conversation, but I posted something in the SBox over the weekend while I was drunk.  I read that Orlando Cabrera is still on the market.  Now, he's 35 years old and it's probably not ideal, but if the Cubs were planning to move Theriot (assuming they wanted to keep him) to 2B, would it be decent to throw Cabrera a one-year (with maybe a second option year) and let him play SS while Castro plays AAA ball?

Cabrera made $4MM last year and probably can't ask for more.  Rotoworld said his defense "fell of a cliff" recently, but looking back at his 2009 faggy stats, his range factors were above the league averages.  He did hit .284, but his OBP was a miserable .316.  I'm spitballing here...this may be all kinds of terrible.  But why not get more terrible?  I thought that was the idea this offseason.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 22, 2009, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 22, 2009, 11:12:46 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 22, 2009, 10:41:58 AM

Trading Carlos Zambrano would be the most idiotic thing the Cubs could do since letting Greg Maddux walk.

That is all.

If they traded him for Carlos Silva or Victor Zambrano, yes.  But until you see what return they could get, I think you might just be acting a tad bit reactionary.

The only way you replace Carlos Zambrano is with an equal or better pitcher than Zambrano, which no team would trade for Zambrano.

Of my many faults, being reactionary generally isn't among them.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 22, 2009, 11:41:14 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 22, 2009, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 22, 2009, 11:12:46 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 22, 2009, 10:41:58 AM

Trading Carlos Zambrano would be the most idiotic thing the Cubs could do since letting Greg Maddux walk.

That is all.

If they traded him for Carlos Silva or Victor Zambrano, yes.  But until you see what return they could get, I think you might just be acting a tad bit reactionary.

The only way you replace Carlos Zambrano is with an equal or better pitcher than Zambrano, which no team would trade for Zambrano.

Of my many faults, being reactionary generally isn't among them.

Why couldn't they replace him with 3 solid prospects?
I know Hendry couldn't do it, but it certainly could be done.

I bet that dude in Seattle could do it.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on December 22, 2009, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 22, 2009, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 22, 2009, 11:12:46 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 22, 2009, 10:41:58 AM

Trading Carlos Zambrano would be the most idiotic thing the Cubs could do since letting Greg Maddux walk.

That is all.

If they traded him for Carlos Silva or Victor Zambrano, yes.  But until you see what return they could get, I think you might just be acting a tad bit reactionary.

The only way you replace Carlos Zambrano is with an equal or better pitcher than Zambrano, which no team would trade for Zambrano.

Of my many faults, being reactionary generally isn't among them.

It's basically a question of whether or not you think this team, with a few modifications, can win a title in the next 3 to 4 years.

If you don't think that's gonna hai, it would make sense to blow the fucker up and trade guys like Z and Lee. As Pen mentioned before though, Hendry is not the guy you want in charge of a fire sale. So until we get through this year and find out if Jimbo is keeping his job, we've got a team of highly paid veterans that's pretty good. But probably not good enough to win a World Series. Which is all that matters.

(That's the lizardly cold-blooded point of view. My irrational manboner for Z gets angry at the mere mention of trading him.)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 22, 2009, 12:02:38 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 22, 2009, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 22, 2009, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 22, 2009, 11:12:46 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 22, 2009, 10:41:58 AM

Trading Carlos Zambrano would be the most idiotic thing the Cubs could do since letting Greg Maddux walk.

That is all.

If they traded him for Carlos Silva or Victor Zambrano, yes.  But until you see what return they could get, I think you might just be acting a tad bit reactionary.

The only way you replace Carlos Zambrano is with an equal or better pitcher than Zambrano, which no team would trade for Zambrano.

Of my many faults, being reactionary generally isn't among them.

It's basically a question of whether or not you think this team, with a few modifications, can win a title in the next 3 to 4 years.


Zambrano should still be one of the top pitchers in baseball beyond that time period. As Kerm or Andy said in the pumpkin patch last week, it's easy to forget he's 28 - if you believe his birth certificate.

You can move him for prospects, which are always a crap shoot, or stick with a player who has already panned out - not to mention, you trade Zambrano, you lose E-Ramis, since he has an opt-out after the upcoming season, which he will no doubt exercise. You don't think he's going to waste the prime of his career on a rebuilding team, do you?

So you trade Zambrano for prospects. Find a team willing to take Lee, or let him walk after this season. You can probably find a taker for Theriot. Once Lilly is healthy, you can move him. That leaves you with a roster of players whose salaries make them unmovable (Dempster, Fukudome, Soriano), and a bunch of back-of-the-rotation starters and bottom-of-the-lineup position players.

And Marmol as your closer, which will do you a fat lot of fucking good since he'll only get about 25 save opportunities a year.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 22, 2009, 12:28:32 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 22, 2009, 09:43:51 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 09:02:02 AM
DPD:

According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Braves are prepared to send Javier Vazquez and LHP Boone Logan to the Yankees for outfielder Melky Cabrera, LHP Mike Dunn and a prospect.

The unnamed "prospect" may be RHP Arodys Vizcaino, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. In one fell swoop, the Yanks have acquired an excellent starter and freed up a spot in their outfield for a top free agent. Logan, 24, had a 5.19 ERA and 1.73 WHIP in 17 1/3 innings for the Braves this season. Dunn, who's also 24 and is headed to Atlanta, posted a 3.31 ERA and 1.41 WHIP between Double-A Trenton and Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Cabrera, 25, hit .274/.336/.416 in 2009 with 13 home runs, 28 doubles, 10 stolen bases and 68 RBI in 485 at-bats.


So this means....

The Yankees probably have the best rotation in baseball.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on December 22, 2009, 12:48:56 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 22, 2009, 11:51:27 AM
It's basically a question of whether or not you think this team, with a few modifications, can win a title in the next 3 to 4 years.

If you don't think that's gonna hai, it would make sense to blow the fucker up and trade guys like Z and Lee.

You realize that you not only ruined the rest of this day, but perhaps the rest of the time that I have left.  If only I were a White Sux fan at least I would have had two World Series apearances and one championship in the last 60 years.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on December 22, 2009, 12:59:40 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 22, 2009, 12:48:56 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 22, 2009, 11:51:27 AM
It's basically a question of whether or not you think this team, with a few modifications, can win a title in the next 3 to 4 years.

If you don't think that's gonna hai, it would make sense to blow the fucker up and trade guys like Z and Lee.

You realize that you not only ruined the rest of this day, but perhaps the rest of the time that I have left.  If only I were a White Sux fan at least I would have had two World Series apearances and one championship in the last 60 years.

Sorry, Stew. If you give me your address I'll send you a new onion and belt as penance.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit, B. on December 22, 2009, 02:07:47 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 22, 2009, 12:02:38 PM
You can move him for prospects, which are always a crap shoot, or stick with a player who has already panned out - not to mention, you trade Zambrano, you lose E-Ramis, since he has an opt-out after the upcoming season, which he will no doubt exercise. You don't think he's going to waste the prime of his career on a rebuilding team, do you?

Yes.  I think he actually likes Chicago and likes playing here.  Whether the Cubs are smart enough to keep him is an entirely different question.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 22, 2009, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 11:14:11 AM
Not to take away from the Zambrano conversation, but I posted something in the SBox over the weekend while I was drunk.  I read that Orlando Cabrera is still on the market.  Now, he's 35 years old and it's probably not ideal, but if the Cubs were planning to move Theriot (assuming they wanted to keep him) to 2B, would it be decent to throw Cabrera a one-year (with maybe a second option year) and let him play SS while Castro plays AAA ball?

Cabrera made $4MM last year and probably can't ask for more.  Rotoworld said his defense "fell of a cliff" recently, but looking back at his 2009 faggy stats, his range factors were above the league averages.  He did hit .284, but his OBP was a miserable .316.  I'm spitballing here...this may be all kinds of terrible.  But why not get more terrible?  I thought that was the idea this offseason.

I wouldn't mind doing that, just so I don't have to watch Theriot play SS anymore, but I think it would be a lot better if they invested a little more money and got Felipe Lopez instead.  He can play all around the infield and outfield, plus he's a much, much better player than Cabrera at this point in his career.  In fact, they should sign Lopez regardless of who's at short.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on December 22, 2009, 02:49:31 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 22, 2009, 02:09:59 PM
I think it would be a lot better if they invested a little more money and got Felipe Lopez instead.  He can play all around the infield and outfield, plus he's a much, much better player than Cabrera at this point in his career.  In fact, they should sign Lopez regardless of who's at short.

He's a perfect Hendry signing:
- Switch Hitter
- Plays 2B & Misc Positions
- Coming Off a Career Year
- Sucks Total Balls Defensively at 2B & Misc
- His Career Year Still Wasn't That Good

2/$20 or 3/$28 is the only question left...
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 22, 2009, 03:06:37 PM
Quote from: Pre on December 22, 2009, 02:49:31 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 22, 2009, 02:09:59 PM
I think it would be a lot better if they invested a little more money and got Felipe Lopez instead.  He can play all around the infield and outfield, plus he's a much, much better player than Cabrera at this point in his career.  In fact, they should sign Lopez regardless of who's at short.

He's a perfect Hendry signing:
- Switch Hitter
- Plays 2B & Misc Positions
- Coming Off a Career Year
- Sucks Total Balls Defensively at 2B & Misc
- His Career Year Still Wasn't That Good

2/$20 or 3/$28 is the only question left...

I think the Hendry Sliding Scale is one year and $4MM/per more than anyone else offers.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 03:36:06 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 22, 2009, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 11:14:11 AM
Not to take away from the Zambrano conversation, but I posted something in the SBox over the weekend while I was drunk.  I read that Orlando Cabrera is still on the market.  Now, he's 35 years old and it's probably not ideal, but if the Cubs were planning to move Theriot (assuming they wanted to keep him) to 2B, would it be decent to throw Cabrera a one-year (with maybe a second option year) and let him play SS while Castro plays AAA ball?

Cabrera made $4MM last year and probably can't ask for more.  Rotoworld said his defense "fell of a cliff" recently, but looking back at his 2009 faggy stats, his range factors were above the league averages.  He did hit .284, but his OBP was a miserable .316.  I'm spitballing here...this may be all kinds of terrible.  But why not get more terrible?  I thought that was the idea this offseason.

I wouldn't mind doing that, just so I don't have to watch Theriot play SS anymore, but I think it would be a lot better if they invested a little more money and got Felipe Lopez instead.  He can play all around the infield and outfield, plus he's a much, much better player than Cabrera at this point in his career.  In fact, they should sign Lopez regardless of who's at short.

C'mon, Weebs.  All around the outfield?  He's been in the majors for 8 seasons and has a total of 17 games (109 innings) in the outfield.  Not to mention no games at SS in 2009 and 13 games (29 innings) in 2008.  He did, however, play 111 games (927 innings) at SS in 2007, where his range factor was below league average.

Did I do that right?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on December 22, 2009, 04:24:54 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 03:36:06 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 22, 2009, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 22, 2009, 11:14:11 AM
Not to take away from the Zambrano conversation, but I posted something in the SBox over the weekend while I was drunk.  I read that Orlando Cabrera is still on the market.  Now, he's 35 years old and it's probably not ideal, but if the Cubs were planning to move Theriot (assuming they wanted to keep him) to 2B, would it be decent to throw Cabrera a one-year (with maybe a second option year) and let him play SS while Castro plays AAA ball?

Cabrera made $4MM last year and probably can't ask for more.  Rotoworld said his defense "fell of a cliff" recently, but looking back at his 2009 faggy stats, his range factors were above the league averages.  He did hit .284, but his OBP was a miserable .316.  I'm spitballing here...this may be all kinds of terrible.  But why not get more terrible?  I thought that was the idea this offseason.

I wouldn't mind doing that, just so I don't have to watch Theriot play SS anymore, but I think it would be a lot better if they invested a little more money and got Felipe Lopez instead.  He can play all around the infield and outfield, plus he's a much, much better player than Cabrera at this point in his career.  In fact, they should sign Lopez regardless of who's at short.

C'mon, Weebs.  All around the outfield?  He's been in the majors for 8 seasons and has a total of 17 games (109 innings) in the outfield.  Not to mention no games at SS in 2009 and 13 games (29 innings) in 2008.  He did, however, play 111 games (927 innings) at SS in 2007, where his range factor was below league average.

Did I do that right?

Nope, you still posted.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on December 28, 2009, 03:56:27 PM
Who's ready for more Cub-induced depression?

QuoteThe Cubs have interest in free agent right-hander Jose Contreras, according to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine.

Chicago has spoken to Contreras' agent, Jaime Torres. If signed, he would slot in the back of the rotation or as a long man out of the bullpen. Levine's report also said Cubs general manager Jim Hendry's top two free agent outfield targets are Marlon Byrd and Scott Podsednik, in that order. The Cubs have also spoken to the Rockies about a possible swap for Ryan Spilborghs, who would slot in as a versatile fourth outfielder, a role previously held by Reed Johnson.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on December 28, 2009, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 28, 2009, 03:56:27 PM
Who's ready for more Cub-induced depression?

QuoteThe Cubs have interest in free agent right-hander Jose Contreras, according to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine.

Chicago has spoken to Contreras' agent, Jaime Torres. If signed, he would slot in the back of the rotation or as a long man out of the bullpen. Levine's report also said Cubs general manager Jim Hendry's top two free agent outfield targets are Marlon Byrd and Scott Podsednik, in that order. The Cubs have also spoken to the Rockies about a possible swap for Ryan Spilborghs, who would slot in as a versatile fourth outfielder, a role previously held by Reed Johnson.

The sooner you accept the inevitability of the Scotty Pods signing, the sooner you can start getting over the crushing depression that will accompany it.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 28, 2009, 04:21:55 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 28, 2009, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 28, 2009, 03:56:27 PM
Who's ready for more Cub-induced depression?

QuoteThe Cubs have interest in free agent right-hander Jose Contreras, according to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine.

Chicago has spoken to Contreras' agent, Jaime Torres. If signed, he would slot in the back of the rotation or as a long man out of the bullpen. Levine's report also said Cubs general manager Jim Hendry's top two free agent outfield targets are Marlon Byrd and Scott Podsednik, in that order. The Cubs have also spoken to the Rockies about a possible swap for Ryan Spilborghs, who would slot in as a versatile fourth outfielder, a role previously held by Reed Johnson.

The sooner you accept the inevitability of the Scotty Pods signing, the sooner you can start getting over the crushing depression that will accompany it.

I'd rather have Pods than Ankiel. Pods will at least get hurt or hardly ever play. Ankiel can at least handle CF - I think. If you have statmankissery to refute this, that's cool. But I can envision his soul crushing presence in the outfield where a sea of curses launched by someone who looks and sounds like once rained down from the stands on one of the best days I've ever had. So, I mean, he'd ruin that shit too. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on December 28, 2009, 04:33:31 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 28, 2009, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 28, 2009, 03:56:27 PM
Who's ready for more Cub-induced depression?

QuoteThe Cubs have interest in free agent right-hander Jose Contreras, according to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine.

Chicago has spoken to Contreras' agent, Jaime Torres. If signed, he would slot in the back of the rotation or as a long man out of the bullpen. Levine's report also said Cubs general manager Jim Hendry's top two free agent outfield targets are Marlon Byrd and Scott Podsednik, in that order. The Cubs have also spoken to the Rockies about a possible swap for Ryan Spilborghs, who would slot in as a versatile fourth outfielder, a role previously held by Reed Johnson.

The sooner you accept the inevitability of the Scotty Pods signing, the sooner you can start getting over the crushing depression that will accompany it.

What can be more ignominious than to "need" a player that the Sux don't want anymore?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on December 28, 2009, 05:01:28 PM
Why the hell don't they just re-sign Johnson?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 28, 2009, 05:02:03 PM
Time to Mark your calenders for September 21-23:

QuoteMark DeRosa has completed a physical with the Giants, reports Jayson Stark of ESPN.com.
If he passes, DeRosa is expected to sign a two-year deal worth around $12 million. The Giants no doubt want a full report on DeRosa's wrist after he underwent surgery in October to repair a torn tendon sheath. He's expected to be ready for spring training. DeRosa batted .250/.319/.433 with 23 homers, 23 doubles and 78 RBI this past season.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 28, 2009, 05:32:32 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 28, 2009, 05:01:28 PM
Why the hell don't they just re-sign Johnson?

Because he's not very good?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 28, 2009, 05:58:23 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 28, 2009, 05:01:28 PM
Why the hell don't they just re-sign Johnson?

Intrepid Reader: Donnie

What do they need that for, Dude?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on December 28, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
This one is really strange.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/314995-blockbuster-trade-brewing-between-the-red-sox-cubs-and-padres
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 28, 2009, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 28, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
This one is really strange.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/314995-blockbuster-trade-brewing-between-the-red-sox-cubs-and-padres

That site is powered by shit stained underwear and nosebleeds.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on December 28, 2009, 07:10:50 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 28, 2009, 05:32:32 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 28, 2009, 05:01:28 PM
Why the hell don't they just re-sign Johnson?

Because he's not very good?

Well, besides that...

Hell, he's better than Scotty Fabulous.

Pods does get points for having a smoking hot wife though.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on December 28, 2009, 07:55:12 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 28, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
This one is really strange.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/314995-blockbuster-trade-brewing-between-the-red-sox-cubs-and-padres

So in that trade the Cubs get Jacoby Ellsbury for Ryan Theriot? 

Hee hee.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on December 28, 2009, 09:08:45 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 28, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
This one is really strange.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/314995-blockbuster-trade-brewing-between-the-red-sox-cubs-and-padres

Dude, don't bogart that joint.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Lance Dicksons Arm on December 29, 2009, 09:38:35 AM
Quote from: Andy on December 28, 2009, 07:55:12 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 28, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
This one is really strange.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/314995-blockbuster-trade-brewing-between-the-red-sox-cubs-and-padres

So in that trade the Cubs get Jacoby Ellsbury for Ryan Theriot? 

Hee hee.



Quite possibly the dumbest rumor I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 29, 2009, 10:20:00 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on December 29, 2009, 09:38:35 AM
Quote from: Andy on December 28, 2009, 07:55:12 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 28, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
This one is really strange.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/314995-blockbuster-trade-brewing-between-the-red-sox-cubs-and-padres

So in that trade the Cubs get Jacoby Ellsbury for Ryan Theriot? 

Hee hee.



Quite possibly the dumbest rumor I've ever seen.

No, that would be Patrick Sharp for Slava Kozlov.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on December 29, 2009, 10:31:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 29, 2009, 10:20:00 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on December 29, 2009, 09:38:35 AM
Quote from: Andy on December 28, 2009, 07:55:12 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 28, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
This one is really strange.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/314995-blockbuster-trade-brewing-between-the-red-sox-cubs-and-padres

So in that trade the Cubs get Jacoby Ellsbury for Ryan Theriot? 

Hee hee.


Quite possibly the dumbest rumor I've ever seen.
No, that would be Patrick Sharp for Slava Kozlov.

Yeah, a hockey rumor no one gives a shit about in a baseball thread truly is an idiotic thing.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 29, 2009, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: Pre on December 29, 2009, 10:31:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 29, 2009, 10:20:00 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on December 29, 2009, 09:38:35 AM
Quote from: Andy on December 28, 2009, 07:55:12 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 28, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
This one is really strange.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/314995-blockbuster-trade-brewing-between-the-red-sox-cubs-and-padres

So in that trade the Cubs get Jacoby Ellsbury for Ryan Theriot? 

Hee hee.


Quite possibly the dumbest rumor I've ever seen.
No, that would be Patrick Sharp for Slava Kozlov.

Yeah, a hockey rumor no one gives a shit about in a baseball thread truly is an idiotic thing.

It still makes more sense than that dumbassed rumor. The Bleacher Report makes one want to punch babies.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on December 29, 2009, 06:28:22 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 29, 2009, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: Pre on December 29, 2009, 10:31:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 29, 2009, 10:20:00 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on December 29, 2009, 09:38:35 AM
Quote from: Andy on December 28, 2009, 07:55:12 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 28, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
This one is really strange.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/314995-blockbuster-trade-brewing-between-the-red-sox-cubs-and-padres

So in that trade the Cubs get Jacoby Ellsbury for Ryan Theriot? 

Hee hee.


Quite possibly the dumbest rumor I've ever seen.
No, that would be Patrick Sharp for Slava Kozlov.

Yeah, a hockey rumor no one gives a shit about in a baseball thread truly is an idiotic thing.

It still makes more sense than that dumbassed rumor. The Bleacher Report makes one want to punch babies.

Or start watching hockey!  Am I right, people?!



Yeah.  Hockey sucks. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 30, 2009, 08:00:29 AM
Quote from: JD on December 29, 2009, 06:28:22 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 29, 2009, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: Pre on December 29, 2009, 10:31:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 29, 2009, 10:20:00 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on December 29, 2009, 09:38:35 AM
Quote from: Andy on December 28, 2009, 07:55:12 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 28, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
This one is really strange.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/314995-blockbuster-trade-brewing-between-the-red-sox-cubs-and-padres

So in that trade the Cubs get Jacoby Ellsbury for Ryan Theriot? 

Hee hee.


Quite possibly the dumbest rumor I've ever seen.
No, that would be Patrick Sharp for Slava Kozlov.

Yeah, a hockey rumor no one gives a shit about in a baseball thread truly is an idiotic thing.

It still makes more sense than that dumbassed rumor. The Bleacher Report makes one want to punch babies.

Or start watching hockey!  Am I right, people?!



Yeah.  Hockey sucks. 

Time for you to let go of the time you damn near drowned during Spring Training.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on December 30, 2009, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

Remind me.  Who is Jason Bay?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit IV on December 30, 2009, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 30, 2009, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

Remind me.  Who is Jason Bay?

He directed Armageddon.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 30, 2009, 12:27:03 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on December 30, 2009, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 30, 2009, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

Remind me.  Who is Jason Bay?

He directed Armageddon.

On a related note, am I the only one who never knew that J.J. Abrams was one of the writers of Armageddon?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit IV on December 30, 2009, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 30, 2009, 12:27:03 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on December 30, 2009, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 30, 2009, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

Remind me.  Who is Jason Bay?

He directed Armageddon.

On an related note, am I the only one who never knew that J.J. Abrams was one of the writers of Armageddon?

Nope.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on December 30, 2009, 02:09:20 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 30, 2009, 12:27:03 PM
On a related note, am I the only one who never knew that J.J. Abrams was one of the writers of Armageddon?

I think you'd be safe in assuming that you're not the only ignorant person in the
world and can go ahead and skip the post asking for confirmation.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 30, 2009, 02:57:12 PM
Quote from: Pre on December 30, 2009, 02:09:20 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 30, 2009, 12:27:03 PM
On a related note, am I the only one who never knew that J.J. Abrams was one of the writers of Armageddon?

I think you'd be safe in assuming that you're not the only ignorant person in the
world and can go ahead and skip the post asking for confirmation.

I assume that I'm not the only person in the world who has neither seen Armageddon nor has any clue who J.J. Abrams is, other than a person who writes screenplays that get made into Hollywood Can't Wait to Miss That Ones.  
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on December 30, 2009, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

So 4x$66 is ridiculous but 4x$76mm with another year after that will make Soriano a "bargain"?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on December 30, 2009, 05:52:25 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 30, 2009, 12:27:03 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on December 30, 2009, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 30, 2009, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

Remind me.  Who is Jason Bay?

He directed Armageddon.

On a related note, am I the only one who never knew that J.J. Abrams was one of the writers of Armageddon?

Intrepid Reader: Chuck

That would explain why the people who were asked to finance it never asked "why?"
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on December 30, 2009, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 30, 2009, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

So 4x$66 is ridiculous but 4x$76mm with another year after that will make Soriano a "bargain"?

Who called Sosiano a "bargain"?  I'm really asking.  Has someone "done" that?  Because "I" don't think he's a "bargain".
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 30, 2009, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: JD on December 30, 2009, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 30, 2009, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

So 4x$66 is ridiculous but 4x$76mm with another year after that will make Soriano a "bargain"?

Who called Sosiano a "bargain"?  I'm really asking.  Has someone "done" that?  Because "I" don't think he's a "bargain".

You make me want to be a better man.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on December 30, 2009, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: JD on December 30, 2009, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 30, 2009, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

So 4x$66 is ridiculous but 4x$76mm with another year after that will make Soriano a "bargain"?

Who called Sosiano a "bargain"?  I'm really asking.  Has someone "done" that?  Because "I" don't think he's a "bargain".

I swee what you did there.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit IV on December 31, 2009, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 30, 2009, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: JD on December 30, 2009, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 30, 2009, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

So 4x$66 is ridiculous but 4x$76mm with another year after that will make Soriano a "bargain"?

Who called Sosiano a "bargain"?  I'm really asking.  Has someone "done" that?  Because "I" don't think he's a "bargain".

You make me want to be a better man.

As Good As It Gets?  Seriously?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on December 31, 2009, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on December 31, 2009, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 30, 2009, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: JD on December 30, 2009, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 30, 2009, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

So 4x$66 is ridiculous but 4x$76mm with another year after that will make Soriano a "bargain"?

Who called Sosiano a "bargain"?  I'm really asking.  Has someone "done" that?  Because "I" don't think he's a "bargain".

You make me want to be a better man.

As Good As It Gets?  Seriously?

You knew that Weebs was quoting "As Good as it Gets"?  Seriously?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit IV on December 31, 2009, 10:41:55 AM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on December 31, 2009, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 30, 2009, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: JD on December 30, 2009, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 30, 2009, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

So 4x$66 is ridiculous but 4x$76mm with another year after that will make Soriano a "bargain"?

Who called Sosiano a "bargain"?  I'm really asking.  Has someone "done" that?  Because "I" don't think he's a "bargain".

You make me want to be a better man.

As Good As It Gets?  Seriously?

You knew that Weebs was quoting "As Good as it Gets"?  Seriously?

Your encyclopedia brain didn't retain one of the thousands of trailers that ran for that movie during the 90's?  Seriously?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: SKO on December 31, 2009, 10:46:04 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on December 31, 2009, 10:41:55 AM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on December 31, 2009, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 30, 2009, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: JD on December 30, 2009, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 30, 2009, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

So 4x$66 is ridiculous but 4x$76mm with another year after that will make Soriano a "bargain"?

Who called Sosiano a "bargain"?  I'm really asking.  Has someone "done" that?  Because "I" don't think he's a "bargain".

You make me want to be a better man.

As Good As It Gets?  Seriously?

You knew that Weebs was quoting "As Good as it Gets"?  Seriously?

Your encyclopedia brain didn't retain one of the thousands of trailers that ran for that movie during the 90's?  Seriously?

Is this serially worth lobbing back and forth over? Like, seriously?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on December 31, 2009, 10:50:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 31, 2009, 10:46:04 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on December 31, 2009, 10:41:55 AM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on December 31, 2009, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 30, 2009, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: JD on December 30, 2009, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 30, 2009, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

So 4x$66 is ridiculous but 4x$76mm with another year after that will make Soriano a "bargain"?

Who called Sosiano a "bargain"?  I'm really asking.  Has someone "done" that?  Because "I" don't think he's a "bargain".

You make me want to be a better man.

As Good As It Gets?  Seriously?

You knew that Weebs was quoting "As Good as it Gets"?  Seriously?

Your encyclopedia brain didn't retain one of the thousands of trailers that ran for that movie during the 90's?  Seriously?

Is this serially worth lobbing back and forth over? Like, seriously?

Yes.  Now shut up.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on December 31, 2009, 10:53:54 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on December 31, 2009, 10:41:55 AM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on December 31, 2009, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 30, 2009, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: JD on December 30, 2009, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 30, 2009, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

So 4x$66 is ridiculous but 4x$76mm with another year after that will make Soriano a "bargain"?

Who called Sosiano a "bargain"?  I'm really asking.  Has someone "done" that?  Because "I" don't think he's a "bargain".

You make me want to be a better man.

As Good As It Gets?  Seriously?

You knew that Weebs was quoting "As Good as it Gets"?  Seriously?

Your encyclopedia brain didn't retain one of the thousands of trailers that ran for that movie during the 90's?  Seriously?

Well now I remember it.

Seriously.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: SKO on December 31, 2009, 10:54:17 AM
Quote from: CT III on December 31, 2009, 10:50:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 31, 2009, 10:46:04 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on December 31, 2009, 10:41:55 AM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on December 31, 2009, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 30, 2009, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: JD on December 30, 2009, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 30, 2009, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on December 30, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

DPD.

Back to the original point of the thread, the Jason Bay contract will drive up the prices of a shit-ton of outfielders.

At this rate, Soriano will wind up being a bargain in two years.

4 years/$66 million is ridiculous.  Imagine what he could have gotten out of Hendry.

So 4x$66 is ridiculous but 4x$76mm with another year after that will make Soriano a "bargain"?

Who called Sosiano a "bargain"?  I'm really asking.  Has someone "done" that?  Because "I" don't think he's a "bargain".

You make me want to be a better man.

As Good As It Gets?  Seriously?

You knew that Weebs was quoting "As Good as it Gets"?  Seriously?

Your encyclopedia brain didn't retain one of the thousands of trailers that ran for that movie during the 90's?  Seriously?

Is this serially worth lobbing back and forth over? Like, seriously?

Yes.  Now shut up.

Make me.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 31, 2009, 11:07:37 AM
Who hasn't seen As Good As It Gets? I thought everyone has. The only line worth quoting from that movie is when Jack says people who speak in metaphors should shampoo his crotch.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 11:07:37 AM
Who hasn't seen As Good As It Gets? I thought everyone has. The only line worth quoting from that movie is when Jack says people who speak in metaphors should shampoo his crotch.

I had absolutely no idea I was quoting that movie.  But it does make sense, given my undying love for Helen Hunt.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Tinker to Evers to Chance on December 31, 2009, 11:28:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 11:07:37 AM
Who hasn't seen As Good As It Gets? I thought everyone has. The only line worth quoting from that movie is when Jack says people who speak in metaphors should shampoo his crotch.

I had absolutely no idea I was quoting that movie.  But it does make sense, given my undying love for Helen Hunt.

My ultimate fantasy is to have us tied with leather belts to pipes like Helen Hunt and Bill Paxton at the end of the movie Twister and have our feet being sucked up into the vortex and while we are doing that we can JO (poss. handjob exchange) to climax into the vortex.  Obviously this is impossible and dangerous to attempt so I would be Ok with just JO looking at a tornado.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 11:31:57 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on December 31, 2009, 11:28:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 11:07:37 AM
Who hasn't seen As Good As It Gets? I thought everyone has. The only line worth quoting from that movie is when Jack says people who speak in metaphors should shampoo his crotch.

I had absolutely no idea I was quoting that movie.  But it does make sense, given my undying love for Helen Hunt.

My ultimate fantasy is to have us tied with leather belts to pipes like Helen Hunt and Bill Paxton at the end of the movie Twister and have our feet being sucked up into the vortex and while we are doing that we can JO (poss. handjob exchange) to climax into the vortex.  Obviously this is impossible and dangerous to attempt so I would be Ok with just JO looking at a tornado.

No ghey stuff.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 31, 2009, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on December 31, 2009, 11:28:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 11:07:37 AM
Who hasn't seen As Good As It Gets? I thought everyone has. The only line worth quoting from that movie is when Jack says people who speak in metaphors should shampoo his crotch.

I had absolutely no idea I was quoting that movie.  But it does make sense, given my undying love for Helen Hunt.

My ultimate fantasy is to have us tied with leather belts to pipes like Helen Hunt and Bill Paxton at the end of the movie Twister and have our feet being sucked up into the vortex and while we are doing that we can JO (poss. handjob exchange) to climax into the vortex.  Obviously this is impossible and dangerous to attempt so I would be Ok with just JO looking at a tornado.

Where's the artificial crabmeat?

I was told there would be artificial crabmeat.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 31, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on December 31, 2009, 11:28:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 11:07:37 AM
Who hasn't seen As Good As It Gets? I thought everyone has. The only line worth quoting from that movie is when Jack says people who speak in metaphors should shampoo his crotch.

I had absolutely no idea I was quoting that movie.  But it does make sense, given my undying love for Helen Hunt.

My ultimate fantasy is to have us tied with leather belts to pipes like Helen Hunt and Bill Paxton at the end of the movie Twister and have our feet being sucked up into the vortex and while we are doing that we can JO (poss. handjob exchange) to climax into the vortex.  Obviously this is impossible and dangerous to attempt so I would be Ok with just JO looking at a tornado.

Where's the artificial crabmeat?

I was told there would be artificial crabmeat.

A fat guy in a bike helmet was here earlier. He ate it all.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on December 31, 2009, 11:40:01 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on December 31, 2009, 11:28:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 11:07:37 AM
Who hasn't seen As Good As It Gets? I thought everyone has. The only line worth quoting from that movie is when Jack says people who speak in metaphors should shampoo his crotch.

I had absolutely no idea I was quoting that movie.  But it does make sense, given my undying love for Helen Hunt.

My ultimate fantasy is to have us tied with leather belts to pipes like Helen Hunt and Bill Paxton at the end of the movie Twister and have our feet being sucked up into the vortex and while we are doing that we can JO (poss. handjob exchange) to climax into the vortex.  Obviously this is impossible and dangerous to attempt so I would be Ok with just JO looking at a tornado.

Where's the artificial crabmeat?

I was told there would be artificial crabmeat.

A fat guy in a bike helmet was here earlier. He ate it all.

Belch.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit IV on December 31, 2009, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 11:40:01 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on December 31, 2009, 11:28:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 11:07:37 AM
Who hasn't seen As Good As It Gets? I thought everyone has. The only line worth quoting from that movie is when Jack says people who speak in metaphors should shampoo his crotch.

I had absolutely no idea I was quoting that movie.  But it does make sense, given my undying love for Helen Hunt.

My ultimate fantasy is to have us tied with leather belts to pipes like Helen Hunt and Bill Paxton at the end of the movie Twister and have our feet being sucked up into the vortex and while we are doing that we can JO (poss. handjob exchange) to climax into the vortex.  Obviously this is impossible and dangerous to attempt so I would be Ok with just JO looking at a tornado.

Where's the artificial crabmeat?

I was told there would be artificial crabmeat.

A fat guy in a bike helmet was here earlier. He ate it all.

Belch.

Aaaand, SCENE!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 11:53:41 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on December 31, 2009, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 11:40:01 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on December 31, 2009, 11:28:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 11:07:37 AM
Who hasn't seen As Good As It Gets? I thought everyone has. The only line worth quoting from that movie is when Jack says people who speak in metaphors should shampoo his crotch.

I had absolutely no idea I was quoting that movie.  But it does make sense, given my undying love for Helen Hunt.

My ultimate fantasy is to have us tied with leather belts to pipes like Helen Hunt and Bill Paxton at the end of the movie Twister and have our feet being sucked up into the vortex and while we are doing that we can JO (poss. handjob exchange) to climax into the vortex.  Obviously this is impossible and dangerous to attempt so I would be Ok with just JO looking at a tornado.

Where's the artificial crabmeat?

I was told there would be artificial crabmeat.

A fat guy in a bike helmet was here earlier. He ate it all.

Belch.

Aaaand, SCENE!

Let's take it from the top.  This time, you've just found out the Cubs signed Marlon Byrd to a 3 year contract.  And ACTION!:

QuoteCarrie Muskat of MLB.com reports that the Cubs are expected to announce the signing of free agent outfielder Marlon Byrd to a three-year contract.
We don't have any specifics of the terms, but he'll surely see a sizable increase from the $3.06 million he made last season. An official announcement is expected shortly. Byrd, 32, will be reunited with his former hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo in Chicago. He batted .295/.352/.468 in three seasons under his tutelage in Texas.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 31, 2009, 11:53:56 AM
Get a rope. So I can hang myself.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 11:54:16 AM
Marlon Byrd is a Cub.. Dollar amount doesn't piss me off (http://twitter.com/cst_cubs/status/7241809777)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on December 31, 2009, 11:55:46 AM
Three fucking years?  Holy crap Jim Hendry is pathological.

I think I need to revise my Dead pool picks to include a "death wish" pick.  Fuck.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 31, 2009, 11:57:56 AM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 11:55:46 AM
Three fucking years?  Holy crap Jim Hendry is pathological.

I think I need to revise my Dead pool picks to include a "death wish" pick.  Fuck.

So in 2 years, the Cubs' aggregate outfield age will most likely be over 100.

Whoopty-motherfucking-doo.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 11:59:30 AM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 11:55:46 AM
Three fucking years?  Holy crap Jim Hendry is pathological.

I think I need to revise my Dead pool picks to include a "death wish" pick.  Fuck.

$5 million.. $5 million..
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on December 31, 2009, 12:00:20 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 11:59:30 AM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 11:55:46 AM
Three fucking years?  Holy crap Jim Hendry is pathological.

I think I need to revise my Dead pool picks to include a "death wish" pick.  Fuck.

$5 million.. $5 million..

True, but...

THREE YEARS.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 12:02:20 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 12:00:20 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 11:59:30 AM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 11:55:46 AM
Three fucking years?  Holy crap Jim Hendry is pathological.

I think I need to revise my Dead pool picks to include a "death wish" pick.  Fuck.

$5 million.. $5 million..

True, but...

THREE YEARS.

I just think this is pathological "ANGER over anything Jim did". 3/15 is not horrible by any stretch. If he sucks in 2011 or 2012, it won't be that hard to move him because the money is really low.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 12:00:20 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 11:59:30 AM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 11:55:46 AM
Three fucking years?  Holy crap Jim Hendry is pathological.

I think I need to revise my Dead pool picks to include a "death wish" pick.  Fuck.

$5 million.. $5 million..

True, but...

THREE YEARS.

And in year three, he'll probably be earning $5 million.  Considering there's nobody in the system slotted to play CF anytime in the near future, this is a pretty good signing.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 31, 2009, 12:07:03 PM

Last year was the first time in Byrd's career he had over 500 ABs.

And guys in their 30s coming off career years are always solid free agent signings.

The Cubs will win the Central with their 97 year old OF (only because 86 wins should do it), and get curb stomped in the playoffs again.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on December 31, 2009, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 12:00:20 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 11:59:30 AM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 11:55:46 AM
Three fucking years?  Holy crap Jim Hendry is pathological.

I think I need to revise my Dead pool picks to include a "death wish" pick.  Fuck.

$5 million.. $5 million..

True, but...

THREE YEARS.

And in year three, he'll probably be earning $5 million.  Considering there's nobody in the system slotted to play CF anytime in the near future, this is a pretty good signing.

Okay I'm calming down.  Considering that Scotty Fabulous was rumored to be an option for CF is also allaying my ANGER.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 31, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:07:03 PM

Last year was the first time in Byrd's career he had over 500 ABs.

And guys in their 30s coming off career years are always solid free agent signings.

The Cubs will win the Central with their 97 year old OF (only because 86 wins should do it), and get curb stomped in the playoffs again.



Nope.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on December 31, 2009, 12:12:01 PM
In two years Marlon Byrd will be almost old enough to play outfield for the Giants.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 12:16:46 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:07:03 PM

Last year was the first time in Byrd's career he had over 500 ABs.

And guys in their 30s coming off career years are always solid free agent signings.

The Cubs will win the Central with their 97 year old OF (only because 86 wins should do it), and get curb stomped in the playoffs again.



Nope.

It'll be a little harder now that it looks like the Cardinals will sign Holliday, but that division is still very beatable.  The Cardinals have Carpenter (who will get hurt), Wainwright, and then nobody.  Plus, even with Holliday, they'll have a pretty week lineup.  The Brewers will never get anywhere until they find pitching.  And the rest of the division is a joke.  But, of course, they will be annihilated in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 31, 2009, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:07:03 PM

Last year was the first time in Byrd's career he had over 500 ABs.

And guys in their 30s coming off career years are always solid free agent signings.

The Cubs will win the Central with their 97 year old OF (only because 86 wins should do it), and get curb stomped in the playoffs again.



Nope.

Not because the Cubs are any good, but because every other team in the division is spectacularly shitty.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 31, 2009, 12:24:54 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:07:03 PM

Last year was the first time in Byrd's career he had over 500 ABs.

And guys in their 30s coming off career years are always solid free agent signings.

The Cubs will win the Central with their 97 year old OF (only because 86 wins should do it), and get curb stomped in the playoffs again.



Nope.

Not because the Cubs are any good, but because every other team in the division is spectacularly shitty.

Just like last year.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit IV on December 31, 2009, 12:25:13 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 12:00:20 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 11:59:30 AM
Quote from: MAD on December 31, 2009, 11:55:46 AM
Three fucking years?  Holy crap Jim Hendry is pathological.

I think I need to revise my Dead pool picks to include a "death wish" pick.  Fuck.

$5 million.. $5 million..

True, but...

THREE YEARS.

And in year three, he'll probably be earning $5 million.  Considering there's nobody in the system slotted to play CF anytime in the near future, this is a pretty good signing.

Okay I'm calming down.  Considering that Scotty Fabulous was rumored to be an option for CF is also allaying my ANGER.

And Rick Ankiel.  Byrd was probably the best of what was left.  But, yeah, 3 years is PANKtarded.  Who was he bidding against this time?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on December 31, 2009, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:24:54 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:07:03 PM

Last year was the first time in Byrd's career he had over 500 ABs.

And guys in their 30s coming off career years are always solid free agent signings.

The Cubs will win the Central with their 97 year old OF (only because 86 wins should do it), and get curb stomped in the playoffs again.



Nope.

Not because the Cubs are any good, but because every other team in the division is spectacularly shitty.

Just like last year.

The Cardinals didn't beat the Cubs, injuries did.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 12:43:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:24:54 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:07:03 PM

Last year was the first time in Byrd's career he had over 500 ABs.

And guys in their 30s coming off career years are always solid free agent signings.

The Cubs will win the Central with their 97 year old OF (only because 86 wins should do it), and get curb stomped in the playoffs again.



Nope.

Not because the Cubs are any good, but because every other team in the division is spectacularly shitty.

Just like last year.

The Cardinals didn't beat the Cubs, injuries did.

Also, other baseball teams.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on December 31, 2009, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 12:43:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:24:54 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:07:03 PM

Last year was the first time in Byrd's career he had over 500 ABs.

And guys in their 30s coming off career years are always solid free agent signings.

The Cubs will win the Central with their 97 year old OF (only because 86 wins should do it), and get curb stomped in the playoffs again.



Nope.

Not because the Cubs are any good, but because every other team in the division is spectacularly shitty.

Just like last year.

The Cardinals didn't beat the Cubs, injuries did.

Also, other baseball teams.

Also, Milton Bradley
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 31, 2009, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 12:43:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:24:54 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:07:03 PM

Last year was the first time in Byrd's career he had over 500 ABs.

And guys in their 30s coming off career years are always solid free agent signings.

The Cubs will win the Central with their 97 year old OF (only because 86 wins should do it), and get curb stomped in the playoffs again.



Nope.

Not because the Cubs are any good, but because every other team in the division is spectacularly shitty.

Just like last year.

The Cardinals didn't beat the Cubs, injuries did.

Also, other baseball teams.

Also, Milton Bradley

Milton beat the Cubs?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Tinker to Evers to Chance on December 31, 2009, 12:55:52 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 31, 2009, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 12:43:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:24:54 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:07:03 PM

Last year was the first time in Byrd's career he had over 500 ABs.

And guys in their 30s coming off career years are always solid free agent signings.

The Cubs will win the Central with their 97 year old OF (only because 86 wins should do it), and get curb stomped in the playoffs again.



Nope.

Not because the Cubs are any good, but because every other team in the division is spectacularly shitty.

Just like last year.

The Cardinals didn't beat the Cubs, injuries did.

Also, other baseball teams.

Also, Milton Bradley

Milton beat the Cubs?
All of you are wrong.

The Cubs just waited too long to fire Gerald Perry.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on December 31, 2009, 01:08:16 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 31, 2009, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 12:43:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:24:54 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:07:03 PM

Last year was the first time in Byrd's career he had over 500 ABs.

And guys in their 30s coming off career years are always solid free agent signings.

The Cubs will win the Central with their 97 year old OF (only because 86 wins should do it), and get curb stomped in the playoffs again.



Nope.

Not because the Cubs are any good, but because every other team in the division is spectacularly shitty.

Just like last year.

The Cardinals didn't beat the Cubs, injuries did.

Also, other baseball teams.

Also, Milton Bradley

Milton beat the Cubs?

Yeah.  Along with Aaron, Aaron, Kevin and Jim Hendry
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 31, 2009, 01:10:03 PM
Byrd will make 6.5 million in 2012. 5.5 in 2011. 3 in 2010.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Brownie on December 31, 2009, 01:16:43 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 01:10:03 PM
Byrd will make 6.5 million in 2012. 5.5 in 2011. 3 in 2010.

This is almost as good a deal for Hendry as last year's NYE move.

Yes, I think both moves will go down as "not bad." The 3 pitchers from Cleveland aren't terrible.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 01:35:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 31, 2009, 01:08:16 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 31, 2009, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 12:43:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:24:54 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 31, 2009, 12:07:03 PM

Last year was the first time in Byrd's career he had over 500 ABs.

And guys in their 30s coming off career years are always solid free agent signings.

The Cubs will win the Central with their 97 year old OF (only because 86 wins should do it), and get curb stomped in the playoffs again.



Nope.

Not because the Cubs are any good, but because every other team in the division is spectacularly shitty.

Just like last year.

The Cardinals didn't beat the Cubs, injuries did.

Also, other baseball teams.

Also, Milton Bradley

Milton beat the Cubs?

Yeah.  Along with Aaron, Aaron, Kevin and Jim Hendry

I don't like to blame the downfall of the Cubs in 2009 on a guy that had a .378 OBP. I'd rather accuse people like ASor, GSot, MFon. But yea, that was last year. 2010 is the year of the Ember.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 31, 2009, 01:53:34 PM
The Cubs are a team of old players, slow players, injury prone players, bad defenders and impatient hitters. This should end well.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Shooter on December 31, 2009, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 01:53:34 PM
The Cubs are a team of old players, slow players, injury prone players, bad defenders and impatient hitters. This should end well.

I vote that the MEP be held in the city this year. Does Saturday, August 14th work for everyone?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 02:48:13 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 01:10:03 PM
Byrd will make 6.5 million in 2012. 5.5 in 2011. 3 in 2010.

At first glance, this seemed like a good thing.  Screw you for putting the years in reverse order.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 31, 2009, 02:55:22 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 02:48:13 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 01:10:03 PM
Byrd will make 6.5 million in 2012. 5.5 in 2011. 3 in 2010.

At first glance, this seemed like a good thing.  Screw you for putting the years in reverse order.

Heh heh. There's nothing good about this.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 03:14:04 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 02:55:22 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 02:48:13 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 01:10:03 PM
Byrd will make 6.5 million in 2012. 5.5 in 2011. 3 in 2010.

At first glance, this seemed like a good thing.  Screw you for putting the years in reverse order.

Heh heh. There's nothing good about this.

If payroll is 150 million in 2012, then this is 4.3% of it. Why is paying one of your starters 4.3% of payroll a bad thing? The Cubs have Derrek Lee and Lilly coming off the books after 2010. Fukudome, Aramis, and Silva come off the books in 2011. So, 2010's reduction is $26 million (That could be 17% of payroll @ $150 million). 2011's reduction is (not including buyouts) $41.85 (28% @ $150). Now, it is very possible that a good chunk of these guys could be retained, and most of them at more money. The ones I foresee are Lilly, Lee, and Aramis. However, those are no guarantee so as it sits today, the Cubs are shedding a shitload of payroll in a few years so giving Marlon Byrd a 3.5 million dollar pay raise from 2010 to 2012 is pretty insignificant.

Also, his 2007-2009 numbers probably put him as the 3rd best hitter on this team. Lee and Ramirez in front, with Geo, Soriano, and Fuku all behind him. So, $5/year for the 3rd best hitter on the team? That's much better than I expected Hendry to be able to do. I expecte $8 million a year.


Correction: I see that Ramirez can option out of 2011 so he could be gone after 2010, but regardless the point remains.. The Cubs are potentially still going to have flexibility.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on December 31, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 03:14:04 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 02:55:22 PM
Quote from: Weebs on December 31, 2009, 02:48:13 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 31, 2009, 01:10:03 PM
Byrd will make 6.5 million in 2012. 5.5 in 2011. 3 in 2010.

At first glance, this seemed like a good thing.  Screw you for putting the years in reverse order.

Heh heh. There's nothing good about this.

If payroll is 150 million in 2012, then this is 4.3% of it. Why is paying one of your starters 4.3% of payroll a bad thing? The Cubs have Derrek Lee and Lilly coming off the books after 2010. Fukudome, Aramis, and Silva come off the books in 2011. So, 2010's reduction is $26 million (That could be 17% of payroll @ $150 million). 2011's reduction is (not including buyouts) $41.85 (28% @ $150). Now, it is very possible that a good chunk of these guys could be retained, and most of them at more money. The ones I foresee are Lilly, Lee, and Aramis. However, those are no guarantee so as it sits today, the Cubs are shedding a shitload of payroll in a few years so giving Marlon Byrd a 3.5 million dollar pay raise from 2010 to 2012 is pretty insignificant.

Also, his 2007-2009 numbers probably put him as the 3rd best hitter on this team. Lee and Ramirez in front, with Geo, Soriano, and Fuku all behind him. So, $5/year for the 3rd best hitter on the team? That's much better than I expected Hendry to be able to do. I expecte $8 million a year.


Correction: I see that Ramirez can option out of 2011 so he could be gone after 2010, but regardless the point remains.. The Cubs are potentially still going to have flexibility.

WE'RE TOO RIGHT HANDED AGAIN!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 31, 2009, 04:26:02 PM
I'll be going to some Cubs games this year. Other than that, there isn't any commentary that I can add at this point.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on December 31, 2009, 05:01:56 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 03:14:04 PM
Now, it is very possible that a good chunk of these guys could be retained, and most of them at more money. The ones I foresee are Lilly, Lee, and Aramis.
If Lee and Lilly are retained at an INCREASE in salary, the Cubs will have a new owner within 10 years.  The Ricketts family will bankrupt the team.  This time, unintentionally.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CubFaninHydePark on December 31, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Isn't it nice that the Cubs now have to pass on legit good OF's like Bay and Holliday because the albatross hanging around the team's salary? Hendry blows.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on December 31, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 03:14:04 PM
Also, his 2007-2009 numbers probably put him as the 3rd best hitter on this team. Lee and Ramirez in front, with Geo, Soriano, and Fuku all behind him. So, $5/year for the 3rd best hitter on the team? That's much better than I expected Hendry to be able to do. I expecte $8 million a year.

$5 per is not a bad price for a mediocre CFer.  It's a reasonable contract for a meh player.

However, if you think he's going to be the 3rd best hitter on the team then you must really
think the Cubs are going to suck balls next year.  Look at his home/away splits the last 3 years,
and even given that huge home field advantage (over 100 points to slugging alone every year)
he only was around a 110 OPS+ for that stretch.  Sure, he'd have looked decent compared to
the garbage that was last year with his Arlington stats, but he'd fit right in with his away splits.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 06:21:10 PM
Quote from: Pre on December 31, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 31, 2009, 03:14:04 PM
Also, his 2007-2009 numbers probably put him as the 3rd best hitter on this team. Lee and Ramirez in front, with Geo, Soriano, and Fuku all behind him. So, $5/year for the 3rd best hitter on the team? That's much better than I expected Hendry to be able to do. I expecte $8 million a year.

$5 per is not a bad price for a mediocre CFer.  It's a reasonable contract for a meh player.

However, if you think he's going to be the 3rd best hitter on the team then you must really
think the Cubs are going to suck balls next year.  Look at his home/away splits the last 3 years,
and even given that huge home field advantage (over 100 points to slugging alone every year)
he only was around a 110 OPS+ for that stretch.  Sure, he'd have looked decent compared to
the garbage that was last year with his Arlington stats, but he'd fit right in with his away splits.

The park factor of Arlington and Wrigley is just about the same, so I guess I would expect those splits to continue. Kicking ass at home might be better for him anyway. Keeps the Cub fans happy
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Tony on December 31, 2009, 06:33:43 PM
Quote from: Pre on December 31, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
$5 per is not a bad price for a mediocre CFer.  It's a reasonable contract for a meh player.

And he'll be on a mediocre team that will have a meh season....bring on the 2010 Bears!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on December 31, 2009, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 31, 2009, 06:33:43 PM
Quote from: Pre on December 31, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
$5 per is not a bad price for a mediocre CFer.  It's a reasonable contract for a meh player.

And he'll be on a mediocre team that will have a meh season....bring on the 2010 Bears!

That's how much we signed Slaky for this year. So um... What Tony said.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on December 31, 2009, 06:56:54 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 31, 2009, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 31, 2009, 06:33:43 PM
Quote from: Pre on December 31, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
$5 per is not a bad price for a mediocre CFer.  It's a reasonable contract for a meh player.

And he'll be on a mediocre team that will have a meh season....bring on the 2010 Bears!

That's how much we signed Slaky for this year. So um... What Tony said.

It was a banner year at the Slaky house.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on January 01, 2010, 06:04:12 PM
Quote from: Curb Boy on December 31, 2009, 12:16:46 PM


It'll be a little harder now that it looks like the Cardinals will sign Holliday,

You don't think the Bay contract put Holliday out of the Cards' price range, esp. with them having to pay Pujols after this season?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on January 02, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 31, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Isn't it nice that the Cubs now have to pass on legit good OF's like Bay and Holliday

I'd much rather have Byrd at 3/15 than Bay for 4/66.  Bay is Dunn-like in the outfield and it kills his value.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on January 02, 2010, 01:45:30 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 02, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 31, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Isn't it nice that the Cubs now have to pass on legit good OF's like Bay and Holliday

I'd much rather have Byrd at 3/15 than Bay for 4/66.  Bay is Dunn-like in the outfield and it kills his value.

I can't tell when you're joking. But... this?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on January 02, 2010, 03:02:46 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 02, 2010, 01:45:30 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 02, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 31, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Isn't it nice that the Cubs now have to pass on legit good OF's like Bay and Holliday

I'd much rather have Byrd at 3/15 than Bay for 4/66.  Bay is Dunn-like in the outfield and it kills his value.

I can't tell when you're joking. But... this?

Being serious.  We're not so different.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Richard Chuggar on January 02, 2010, 07:35:02 PM
I didn't read anything that anybody wrote about Marlon Byrd, but he sucks.  This is the worst signing in the world, and I can't believe that anybody would think it's a good signing.  When he hits .250 with 12 HRs and and 53 RBIs, dont' come crying ot me.  but I know you want to cry to me, but don't.  quote this.  he's a turdier, less morganier version of Milton
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on January 02, 2010, 08:45:40 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on January 02, 2010, 07:35:02 PM
I didn't read anything that anybody wrote about Marlon Byrd, but he sucks.  This is the worst signing in the world, and I can't believe that anybody would think it's a good signing.  When he hits .250 with 12 HRs and and 53 RBIs, dont' come crying ot me.  but I know you want to cry to me, but don't.  quote this.  he's a turdier, less morganier version of Milton

Whatevah, dude.  I read an article and Rudy Jarmilio likes him and he's the hitting coach.  Byrd's already pen'd into the #5 hole.  Rudy Jarimalio also said that Marlon Byrd plays the best CF in a lot of places and that probably will include Wrigley.  Rudy knows defense because he knows offense and watches balls off the bats.  When you want to know what someone's good at, then ask someone that's knowledgeable about the opposite because that is what they are learn-ed in defeating.  It's simple and I'm surprised you haven't learned that, yet. 

Now, I'm ready for the Ankiel signing.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2010, 07:11:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 02, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 31, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Isn't it nice that the Cubs now have to pass on legit good OF's like Bay and Holliday

I'd much rather have Byrd at 3/15 than Bay for 4/66.  Bay is Dunn-like in the outfield and it kills his value.

I'm saying that I wish the Cubs could sign FA's that were  entering their prime production years, rather than throwing money at looming albatrosses.

Bay and Holliday are in their prime--I have no problem throwing dump trucks of money at guys who have proven that they can rake and are still in their prime.  I'm not saying Byrd isn't a bad signing...I'm just saying I'd much rather be signing Bay or Holliday, or both.  It's not like we  have a terrible defensive left fielder now, or anything.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on January 04, 2010, 07:20:25 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2010, 07:11:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 02, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 31, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Isn't it nice that the Cubs now have to pass on legit good OF's like Bay and Holliday

I'd much rather have Byrd at 3/15 than Bay for 4/66.  Bay is Dunn-like in the outfield and it kills his value.

I'm saying that I wish the Cubs could sign FA's that were  entering their prime production years, rather than throwing money at looming albatrosses.

Bay and Holliday are in their prime--I have no problem throwing dump trucks of money at guys who have proven that they can rake and are still in their prime.  I'm not saying Byrd isn't a bad signing...I'm just saying I'd much rather be signing Bay or Holliday, or both.  It's not like we  have a terrible defensive left fielder now, or anything.

I don't think you're not. And since when has $15mm/3yr been an albatross? Let alone a looming one. That third year at $5mm is really going to kill Our Cubbies in 2012.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 04, 2010, 08:34:31 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 04, 2010, 07:20:25 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2010, 07:11:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 02, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 31, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Isn't it nice that the Cubs now have to pass on legit good OF's like Bay and Holliday

I'd much rather have Byrd at 3/15 than Bay for 4/66.  Bay is Dunn-like in the outfield and it kills his value.

I'm saying that I wish the Cubs could sign FA's that were  entering their prime production years, rather than throwing money at looming albatrosses.

Bay and Holliday are in their prime--I have no problem throwing dump trucks of money at guys who have proven that they can rake and are still in their prime.  I'm not saying Byrd isn't a bad signing...I'm just saying I'd much rather be signing Bay or Holliday, or both.  It's not like we  have a terrible defensive left fielder now, or anything.

I don't think you're not. And since when has $15mm/3yr been an albatross? Let alone a looming one. That third year at $5mm $6.5mm is really going to kill Our Cubbies in 2012.

Dammit, Slak'd (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6969.msg201066#msg201066)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 04, 2010, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 04, 2010, 07:20:25 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2010, 07:11:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 02, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 31, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Isn't it nice that the Cubs now have to pass on legit good OF's like Bay and Holliday

I'd much rather have Byrd at 3/15 than Bay for 4/66.  Bay is Dunn-like in the outfield and it kills his value.

I'm saying that I wish the Cubs could sign FA's that were  entering their prime production years, rather than throwing money at looming albatrosses.

Bay and Holliday are in their prime--I have no problem throwing dump trucks of money at guys who have proven that they can rake and are still in their prime.  I'm not saying Byrd isn't a bad signing...I'm just saying I'd much rather be signing Bay or Holliday, or both.  It's not like we  have a terrible defensive left fielder now, or anything.

I don't think you're not. And since when has $15mm/3yr been an albatross? Let alone a looming one. That third year at $5mm is really going to kill Our Cubbies in 2012.

THIS. (with the correction)

I don't see how people are getting so uptight about this move. The money just goes to show you the Cubs don't think he's a great player but he's a decent player. The money reflects that. Plus, they have like 50-60 million coming off in the next couple of years.

The ANGER over this move is unintelligent.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on January 04, 2010, 11:14:13 AM
Quote from: Yeti on January 04, 2010, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 04, 2010, 07:20:25 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2010, 07:11:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 02, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 31, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Isn't it nice that the Cubs now have to pass on legit good OF's like Bay and Holliday

I'd much rather have Byrd at 3/15 than Bay for 4/66.  Bay is Dunn-like in the outfield and it kills his value.

I'm saying that I wish the Cubs could sign FA's that were  entering their prime production years, rather than throwing money at looming albatrosses.

Bay and Holliday are in their prime--I have no problem throwing dump trucks of money at guys who have proven that they can rake and are still in their prime.  I'm not saying Byrd isn't a bad signing...I'm just saying I'd much rather be signing Bay or Holliday, or both.  It's not like we  have a terrible defensive left fielder now, or anything.

I don't think you're not. And since when has $15mm/3yr been an albatross? Let alone a looming one. That third year at $5mm is really going to kill Our Cubbies in 2012.

THIS. (with the correction)

I don't see how people are getting so uptight about this move. The money just goes to show you the Cubs don't think he's a great player but he's a decent player. The money reflects that. Plus, they have like 50-60 million coming off in the next couple of years.

The ANGER over this move is unintelligent.

As long as by the third year of that deal Byrd is a 4th or 5th outfielder.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on January 04, 2010, 11:17:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on January 04, 2010, 11:14:13 AM
Quote from: Yeti on January 04, 2010, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 04, 2010, 07:20:25 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2010, 07:11:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 02, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 31, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Isn't it nice that the Cubs now have to pass on legit good OF's like Bay and Holliday

I'd much rather have Byrd at 3/15 than Bay for 4/66.  Bay is Dunn-like in the outfield and it kills his value.

I'm saying that I wish the Cubs could sign FA's that were  entering their prime production years, rather than throwing money at looming albatrosses.

Bay and Holliday are in their prime--I have no problem throwing dump trucks of money at guys who have proven that they can rake and are still in their prime.  I'm not saying Byrd isn't a bad signing...I'm just saying I'd much rather be signing Bay or Holliday, or both.  It's not like we  have a terrible defensive left fielder now, or anything.

I don't think you're not. And since when has $15mm/3yr been an albatross? Let alone a looming one. That third year at $5mm is really going to kill Our Cubbies in 2012.

THIS. (with the correction)

I don't see how people are getting so uptight about this move. The money just goes to show you the Cubs don't think he's a great player but he's a decent player. The money reflects that. Plus, they have like 50-60 million coming off in the next couple of years.

The ANGER over this move is unintelligent.

As long as by the third year of that deal Byrd is a 4th or 5th outfielder.

And not a productive center fielder?  Yeah, I guess that makes sense.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on January 04, 2010, 11:31:52 AM
Quote from: Weebs on January 04, 2010, 11:17:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on January 04, 2010, 11:14:13 AM
Quote from: Yeti on January 04, 2010, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 04, 2010, 07:20:25 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2010, 07:11:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 02, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 31, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Isn't it nice that the Cubs now have to pass on legit good OF's like Bay and Holliday

I'd much rather have Byrd at 3/15 than Bay for 4/66.  Bay is Dunn-like in the outfield and it kills his value.

I'm saying that I wish the Cubs could sign FA's that were  entering their prime production years, rather than throwing money at looming albatrosses.

Bay and Holliday are in their prime--I have no problem throwing dump trucks of money at guys who have proven that they can rake and are still in their prime.  I'm not saying Byrd isn't a bad signing...I'm just saying I'd much rather be signing Bay or Holliday, or both.  It's not like we  have a terrible defensive left fielder now, or anything.

I don't think you're not. And since when has $15mm/3yr been an albatross? Let alone a looming one. That third year at $5mm is really going to kill Our Cubbies in 2012.

THIS. (with the correction)

I don't see how people are getting so uptight about this move. The money just goes to show you the Cubs don't think he's a great player but he's a decent player. The money reflects that. Plus, they have like 50-60 million coming off in the next couple of years.

The ANGER over this move is unintelligent.

As long as by the third year of that deal Byrd is a 4th or 5th outfielder.

And not a productive center fielder?  Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

Hey Fork, pull your Cosby sweater down. Your FULD CHUB is showing.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on January 04, 2010, 11:51:01 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 04, 2010, 11:31:52 AM
Quote from: Weebs on January 04, 2010, 11:17:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on January 04, 2010, 11:14:13 AM
Quote from: Yeti on January 04, 2010, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 04, 2010, 07:20:25 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2010, 07:11:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 02, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 31, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Isn't it nice that the Cubs now have to pass on legit good OF's like Bay and Holliday

I'd much rather have Byrd at 3/15 than Bay for 4/66.  Bay is Dunn-like in the outfield and it kills his value.

I'm saying that I wish the Cubs could sign FA's that were  entering their prime production years, rather than throwing money at looming albatrosses.

Bay and Holliday are in their prime--I have no problem throwing dump trucks of money at guys who have proven that they can rake and are still in their prime.  I'm not saying Byrd isn't a bad signing...I'm just saying I'd much rather be signing Bay or Holliday, or both.  It's not like we  have a terrible defensive left fielder now, or anything.

I don't think you're not. And since when has $15mm/3yr been an albatross? Let alone a looming one. That third year at $5mm is really going to kill Our Cubbies in 2012.

THIS. (with the correction)

I don't see how people are getting so uptight about this move. The money just goes to show you the Cubs don't think he's a great player but he's a decent player. The money reflects that. Plus, they have like 50-60 million coming off in the next couple of years.

The ANGER over this move is unintelligent.

As long as by the third year of that deal Byrd is a 4th or 5th outfielder.

And not a productive center fielder?  Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

Hey Fork, pull your Cosby sweater down. Your FULD CHUB is showing.

SAM FULD plays baseball in a decidedly caucasian manner.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on January 04, 2010, 03:20:39 PM
Fork wants a $6.5MM fifth outfielder?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 04, 2010, 03:25:38 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on January 04, 2010, 03:20:39 PM
Fork wants a $6.5MM fifth outfielder?

Yea, I didn't get it either, but I just moved on.

Hell, if people want to think of it this way, then they can imagine Byrd will earn is 2012 salary this year, then next year earn his 2011 salary, then in 2012, earn his 2010 salary. Backasswards way to look at it, but the point is that Byrd will be worth $15 mil over the next 3 years.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on January 04, 2010, 03:39:50 PM
I'm just accepting that the Cubs will be pitiful next year.  That's how I'm approaching the 2010 baseball season.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 04, 2010, 03:43:40 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on January 04, 2010, 03:39:50 PM
I'm just accepting that the Cubs will be pitiful next year.  That's how I'm approaching the 2010 baseball season.

We removed THE CANCER from the clubhouse. Think about it. After Lance Armstrong lost his cancernut, he went on to win 5 TOUR DE FRANCES! My 2010 Kubbeez are gonna be like that.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on January 04, 2010, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on January 04, 2010, 03:39:50 PM
I'm just accepting that the Cubs will be pitiful next year.  That's how I'm approaching the 2010 baseball season.

They will be, but so will everyone else in the NL Central. This will mean the Cubs will be in the "race" all season, and based upon their starting pitching (Gorzelanny and Wells would be top 3 starters anywhere else in the division), will win the fucking thing before going three-and-out in the playoffs yet again.

The 2010 season will be like surviving a terrible disease, only to get hit by a speeding ambulance on our way out of the hospital.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on January 04, 2010, 04:06:02 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 04, 2010, 03:25:38 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on January 04, 2010, 03:20:39 PM
Fork wants a $6.5MM fifth outfielder?

Yea, I didn't get it either, but I just moved on.

Hell, if people want to think of it this way, then they can imagine Byrd will earn is 2012 salary this year, then next year earn his 2011 salary, then in 2012, earn his 2010 salary. Backasswards way to look at it, but the point is that Byrd will be worth $15 mil over the next 3 years.

A back loaded contract costs the team less money since future money is
not worth as much as present day money what with banks and the internet
and discount rates and prostitutes and what not.

3/5.5/6.5 is better than 6.5/5.5/3 as far as the team is financially concerned.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on January 04, 2010, 04:06:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 04, 2010, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on January 04, 2010, 03:39:50 PM
I'm just accepting that the Cubs will be pitiful next year.  That's how I'm approaching the 2010 baseball season.

They will be, but so will everyone else in the NL Central. This will mean the Cubs will be in the "race" all season, and based upon their starting pitching (Gorzelanny and Wells would be top 3 starters anywhere else in the division), will win the fucking thing before going three-and-out in the playoffs yet again.

The 2010 season will be like surviving a terrible disease, only to get hit by a speeding ambulance on our way out of the hospital.

I can't figure out if you make statements like this out of laziness, ignorance or instigation.

I'm going all in on "1 and 2" though.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 04, 2010, 04:10:50 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 04, 2010, 04:06:02 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 04, 2010, 03:25:38 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on January 04, 2010, 03:20:39 PM
Fork wants a $6.5MM fifth outfielder?

Yea, I didn't get it either, but I just moved on.

Hell, if people want to think of it this way, then they can imagine Byrd will earn is 2012 salary this year, then next year earn his 2011 salary, then in 2012, earn his 2010 salary. Backasswards way to look at it, but the point is that Byrd will be worth $15 mil over the next 3 years.

A back loaded contract costs the team less money since future money is
not worth as much as present day money what with banks and the internet
and discount rates and prostitutes and what not.

3/5.5/6.5 is better than 6.5/5.5/3 as far as the team is financially concerned.

I'm not here for your logical statements about future tokens.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2010, 04:38:55 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 04, 2010, 07:20:25 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2010, 07:11:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 02, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 31, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Isn't it nice that the Cubs now have to pass on legit good OF's like Bay and Holliday

I'd much rather have Byrd at 3/15 than Bay for 4/66.  Bay is Dunn-like in the outfield and it kills his value.

I'm saying that I wish the Cubs could sign FA's that were  entering their prime production years, rather than throwing money at looming albatrosses.

Bay and Holliday are in their prime--I have no problem throwing dump trucks of money at guys who have proven that they can rake and are still in their prime.  I'm not saying Byrd isn't a bad signing...I'm just saying I'd much rather be signing Bay or Holliday, or both.  It's not like we  have a terrible defensive left fielder now, or anything.

I don't think you're not. And since when has $15mm/3yr been an albatross? Let alone a looming one. That third year at $5mm is really going to kill Our Cubbies in 2012.

I was referring to Soriano.  I'd give both him up and all of his past seasons up to be signing either of Bay/Holliday + Byrd now.

Hindsight 20/20, I know--but the Cubs' should be in better shape than to have to sign a second-tier FA and a hitting coach as their major offseason splashes, especially when the defending NL champs already have a lineup that mashes and got Halladay.  But I suppose improving a team with the Phillies lurking makes any money spent wasted money.  Unless they eat an inordinate amount of serious injuries, the NL shouldn't be terribly intriguing in the long run.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 04, 2010, 04:43:18 PM
If this (http://www.athbaseball.com/20100102112/2010-archives/january/carlos-zambrano-to-the-mets-buzz.html) is at all true, Jimbo is still hard at work trying to get his overpaid 2nd baseman. 

"The Cubs signed Marlon Byrd last week and now the attention on the North side is focused getting on some starting pitching and relief help.

I've been making some calls over the past few days and there has been a quite underground tone to a constant general theme and that theme is Carlos Zambrano for 2B Luis Castillo, AAA OF Fernando Martinez and a AA prospect."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on January 04, 2010, 05:00:11 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 04, 2010, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on January 04, 2010, 03:39:50 PM
I'm just accepting that the Cubs will be pitiful next year.  That's how I'm approaching the 2010 baseball season.

They will be, but so will everyone else in the NL Central.

Pujols, Holliday (presumably), Carpenter, Wainwright...I wouldn't call the Deadbirds pitiful.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on January 04, 2010, 05:21:12 PM
Quote from: BH on January 04, 2010, 04:43:18 PM
If this (http://www.athbaseball.com/20100102112/2010-archives/january/carlos-zambrano-to-the-mets-buzz.html) is at all true, Jimbo is still hard at work trying to get his overpaid 2nd baseman. 

"The Cubs signed Marlon Byrd last week and now the attention on the North side is focused getting on some starting pitching and relief help.

I've been making some calls over the past few days and there has been a quite underground tone to a constant general theme and that theme is Carlos Zambrano for 2B Luis Castillo, AAA OF Fernando Martinez and a AA prospect."

That rumor is so dumb I assume that is the mets equivalent of that bleacher report site.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on January 04, 2010, 05:29:43 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 04, 2010, 04:06:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 04, 2010, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on January 04, 2010, 03:39:50 PM
I'm just accepting that the Cubs will be pitiful next year.  That's how I'm approaching the 2010 baseball season.

They will be, but so will everyone else in the NL Central. This will mean the Cubs will be in the "race" all season, and based upon their starting pitching (Gorzelanny and Wells would be top 3 starters anywhere else in the division), will win the fucking thing before going three-and-out in the playoffs yet again.

The 2010 season will be like surviving a terrible disease, only to get hit by a speeding ambulance on our way out of the hospital.

I can't figure out if you make statements like this out of laziness, ignorance or instigation.

I'm going all in on "1 and 2" though.

OK, maybe not top 3. But absolutely 3 and 4 on the Cardinals, and they're the second-best in the division when it comes to starting pitching. No kidding, this division is god-awful.

I'm talking 1973 NL East (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/1973.shtml) bad.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on January 04, 2010, 05:38:23 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2010, 04:38:55 PM
I'd give both him up and all of his past seasons up to be signing either of Bay/Holliday + Byrd now.

You need to stop using those two guys like they're interchangeable.  Holliday is a lot better than Bay.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on January 04, 2010, 05:49:19 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 04, 2010, 08:34:31 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 04, 2010, 07:20:25 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2010, 07:11:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 02, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 31, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Isn't it nice that the Cubs now have to pass on legit good OF's like Bay and Holliday

I'd much rather have Byrd at 3/15 than Bay for 4/66.  Bay is Dunn-like in the outfield and it kills his value.

I'm saying that I wish the Cubs could sign FA's that were  entering their prime production years, rather than throwing money at looming albatrosses.

Bay and Holliday are in their prime--I have no problem throwing dump trucks of money at guys who have proven that they can rake and are still in their prime.  I'm not saying Byrd isn't a bad signing...I'm just saying I'd much rather be signing Bay or Holliday, or both.  It's not like we  have a terrible defensive left fielder now, or anything.

I don't think you're not. And since when has $15mm/3yr been an albatross? Let alone a looming one. That third year at $5mm $6.5mm is really going to kill Our Cubbies in 2012.

Dammit, Slak'd (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6969.msg201066#msg201066)

Oh yeah? Well, you just outed yourself as a moderately close follower of the 2009 Cubs offseason.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 03:38:19 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 04, 2010, 05:38:23 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2010, 04:38:55 PM
I'd give both him up and all of his past seasons up to be signing either of Bay/Holliday + Byrd now.

You need to stop using those two guys like they're interchangeable.  Holliday is a lot better than Bay.

Orly?  I'm not a statfag, but if you look at road OPS (to adjust for Coors and to a lesser extent new urinal cake) over the past four years--Bay wins '09 and '06, is .18 off in '08, and had a down year in '07--in a terrible Pittsburgh lineup that offered him zero protection.

Bay's ultimate zone rating is significantly worse--but it fluctuates a lot, as does Holliday's.  And this might be worth a read on the value of UZR:

http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/12/what-the-uzr-disciples-wont-tell-you-about-jason-bay.html

Holliday is two years younger though, and he might be better than Bay, but by "a lot?"  I don't see the wide margin in the numbers.  I'd say that Holliday is a marginal upgrade, if anything.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on January 05, 2010, 08:46:33 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 03:38:19 AM
I'm not a statfag

I can tell.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on January 05, 2010, 08:53:05 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 03:38:19 AM
Holliday is two years younger though, and he might be better than Bay, but by "a lot?"  I don't see the wide margin in the numbers.  I'd say that Holliday is a marginal upgrade, if anything.

You would make a great GM.

For the Mets.

WAR for the last 3 years
Bay -      0.0 (not on vacation, just crappy)/2.9/3.5
Holliday - 8.0/6.3/5.7
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Richard Chuggar on January 05, 2010, 09:10:08 AM
Quote from: Pre on January 05, 2010, 08:53:05 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 03:38:19 AM
Holliday is two years younger though, and he might be better than Bay, but by "a lot?"  I don't see the wide margin in the numbers.  I'd say that Holliday is a marginal upgrade, if anything.

You would make a great GM.

For the Mets.

WAR for the last 3 years
Bay -      0.0 (not on vacation, just crappy)/2.9/3.5
Holliday - 8.0/6.3/5.7

WAR?  What is it good for?  [/fork]
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on January 05, 2010, 09:19:16 AM
Quote from: Pre on January 05, 2010, 08:53:05 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 03:38:19 AM
Holliday is two years younger though, and he might be better than Bay, but by "a lot?"  I don't see the wide margin in the numbers.  I'd say that Holliday is a marginal upgrade, if anything.

You would make a great GM.

For the Mets.

WAR for the last 3 years
Bay -      0.0 (not on vacation, just crappy)/2.9/3.5
Holliday - 8.0/6.3/5.7

Pre, do you have a non-FAGGOT stat that can tell me which of these guys got hit in the nuts with more flyballs during the playoffs in their careers?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit IV on January 05, 2010, 09:39:15 AM
How come no one pointed out that PA just posted about both the Phillies and the Pirates?

(http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/6512/original/DoubleFacePalm.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on January 05, 2010, 09:47:47 AM
I didn't mention it because I haven't read more than a couple lines of any post of his outside teh Hockee thread in a little over a year.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on January 05, 2010, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 05, 2010, 09:19:16 AM
Pre, do you have a non-FAGGOT stat that can tell me which of these guys got hit
in the nuts with more flyballs during the playoffs in their careers?

No, hetro-stats do not look at male's junk.

I do have some stats about how hot chicks showed their
tits to Kenny Lofton in 2003.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 05, 2010, 08:53:05 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 03:38:19 AM
Holliday is two years younger though, and he might be better than Bay, but by "a lot?"  I don't see the wide margin in the numbers.  I'd say that Holliday is a marginal upgrade, if anything.

You would make a great GM.

For the Mets.

WAR for the last 3 years
Bay -      0.0 (not on vacation, just crappy)/2.9/3.5
Holliday - 8.0/6.3/5.7

Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

Holliday played for teams that were good enough that his contributions could matter.

And adjust for Coors inflation.

I think that the OPS splits--especially the away ones--are still the most relevant, as they measure individual performance, instead of linking value to the quality of the team for which the player played.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on January 05, 2010, 06:09:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 05, 2010, 08:53:05 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 03:38:19 AM
Holliday is two years younger though, and he might be better than Bay, but by "a lot?"  I don't see the wide margin in the numbers.  I'd say that Holliday is a marginal upgrade, if anything.

You would make a great GM.

For the Mets.

WAR for the last 3 years
Bay -      0.0 (not on vacation, just crappy)/2.9/3.5
Holliday - 8.0/6.3/5.7

Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

Holliday played for teams that were good enough that his contributions could matter.

And adjust for Coors inflation.

I think that the OPS splits--especially the away ones--are still the most relevant, as they measure individual performance, instead of linking value to the quality of the team for which the player played.

For a self-professed non-stat fag, you sure sound a lot like a stat fag, even if you might have no idea what you're talking about.

Quote from: Terrell Owens
"Like my boy tells me: If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golly, it is a rat."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on January 05, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

That's not how it works.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on January 05, 2010, 06:21:53 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 05, 2010, 06:09:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 05, 2010, 08:53:05 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 03:38:19 AM
Holliday is two years younger though, and he might be better than Bay, but by "a lot?"  I don't see the wide margin in the numbers.  I'd say that Holliday is a marginal upgrade, if anything.

You would make a great GM.

For the Mets.

WAR for the last 3 years
Bay -      0.0 (not on vacation, just crappy)/2.9/3.5
Holliday - 8.0/6.3/5.7

Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

Holliday played for teams that were good enough that his contributions could matter.

And adjust for Coors inflation.

I think that the OPS splits--especially the away ones--are still the most relevant, as they measure individual performance, instead of linking value to the quality of the team for which the player played.

For a self-professed non-stat fag, you sure sound a lot like a stat fag, even if you might have no idea what you're talking about.

Quote from: Terrell Owens
"Like my boy tells me: If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golly, it is a rat."

He doesn't know what he's talking about. WAR does not depend upon the team's win totals.

Edit: Removed and posted below.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on January 05, 2010, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 05, 2010, 06:21:53 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 05, 2010, 06:09:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 05, 2010, 08:53:05 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 03:38:19 AM
Holliday is two years younger though, and he might be better than Bay, but by "a lot?"  I don't see the wide margin in the numbers.  I'd say that Holliday is a marginal upgrade, if anything.

You would make a great GM.

For the Mets.

WAR for the last 3 years
Bay -      0.0 (not on vacation, just crappy)/2.9/3.5
Holliday - 8.0/6.3/5.7

Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

Holliday played for teams that were good enough that his contributions could matter.

And adjust for Coors inflation.

I think that the OPS splits--especially the away ones--are still the most relevant, as they measure individual performance, instead of linking value to the quality of the team for which the player played.

For a self-professed non-stat fag, you sure sound a lot like a stat fag, even if you might have no idea what you're talking about.

Quote from: Terrell Owens
"Like my boy tells me: If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golly, it is a rat."

He doesn't know what he's talking about. WAR does not depend upon the team's win totals.

So then he's just acting gay?

I'm so confused.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on January 05, 2010, 06:28:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 05, 2010, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 05, 2010, 06:21:53 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 05, 2010, 06:09:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 05, 2010, 08:53:05 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 03:38:19 AM
Holliday is two years younger though, and he might be better than Bay, but by "a lot?"  I don't see the wide margin in the numbers.  I'd say that Holliday is a marginal upgrade, if anything.

You would make a great GM.

For the Mets.

WAR for the last 3 years
Bay -      0.0 (not on vacation, just crappy)/2.9/3.5
Holliday - 8.0/6.3/5.7

Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

Holliday played for teams that were good enough that his contributions could matter.

And adjust for Coors inflation.

I think that the OPS splits--especially the away ones--are still the most relevant, as they measure individual performance, instead of linking value to the quality of the team for which the player played.

For a self-professed non-stat fag, you sure sound a lot like a stat fag, even if you might have no idea what you're talking about.

Quote from: Terrell Owens
"Like my boy tells me: If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golly, it is a rat."

He doesn't know what he's talking about. WAR does not depend upon the team's win totals.

So then he's just acting gay?

I'm so confused.

Eli kind of beat me to it, but to elaborate, you convert from OBP and SLG to some form of an offensive "runs created" vaue and compare it against lg average. Same for defensive contribution. Sum to calculate runs above replacement (RAR). 10 runs per win. Divide by 10. The result is WAR.

There's a bit of leeway. I know FanGraphs uses UZR. Other people use other defensive metrics. The main idea is the same, though, and it doesn't consider the team's run or win environment.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 05, 2010, 06:47:48 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 05, 2010, 06:21:53 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 05, 2010, 06:09:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 05, 2010, 08:53:05 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 03:38:19 AM
Holliday is two years younger though, and he might be better than Bay, but by "a lot?"  I don't see the wide margin in the numbers.  I'd say that Holliday is a marginal upgrade, if anything.

You would make a great GM.

For the Mets.

WAR for the last 3 years
Bay -      0.0 (not on vacation, just crappy)/2.9/3.5
Holliday - 8.0/6.3/5.7

Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

Holliday played for teams that were good enough that his contributions could matter.

And adjust for Coors inflation.

I think that the OPS splits--especially the away ones--are still the most relevant, as they measure individual performance, instead of linking value to the quality of the team for which the player played.

For a self-professed non-stat fag, you sure sound a lot like a stat fag, even if you might have no idea what you're talking about.

Quote from: Terrell Owens
"Like my boy tells me: If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golly, it is a rat."

He doesn't know what he's talking about. WAR does not depend upon the team's win totals.

Edit: Eli kind of beat me to it, but to elaborate, you convert from OBP and SLG to some form of an offensive "runs created" vaue and compare it against lg average. Same for defensive contribution. Sum them up to calculate runs above replacement (RAR). Divide by 10. 10 runs per win. The result is WAR.



I think somehow he wanted to say that his shitty team affected his OBP and SLG. Apparently the fact that Nyjer's just a dumb morgan affected the way Bay could hit the fuck out of the ball and get on base. CFiHP, seriously. You can't win this Holliday > Bay on many levels. He's a better hitter, fielder, teammate, cocksucker, and player. Just because they got similar dollar amounts (Bay around $16mil/yr and Holliday $17mil/yr) doesn't mean their equal. Holliday is probably worth that and Bay is overpaid. Good for him, but fuck stop pulling these "SABR" stats of yours out of your lady friend's vagoda.

If you want to look at OPS, look at OPS+ which adjusts for (GASP!) park factors (And the COORS INFLATION). I don't even feel like looking up the differences they have in that, or any other stats. The point remains that Holliday is still better than Bay.

As far as your article about Bay's UZR, it is possible, and it has happened before (Teixera) that UZR misses, but it's still a very good indicator of a player's defensive prowess. That article mentions that Bay was a top player in RF last year. Would we agree that Adam Dunn is a horrible outfielder? Well, take a look at this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_factor#2008) Even the shitty Adam Dunn had a good RF year.

Oh yea... Sydney Crosby's a fucking diving nifkin.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on January 05, 2010, 08:17:57 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 05, 2010, 06:47:48 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 05, 2010, 06:21:53 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 05, 2010, 06:09:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 05, 2010, 08:53:05 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 03:38:19 AM
Holliday is two years younger though, and he might be better than Bay, but by "a lot?"  I don't see the wide margin in the numbers.  I'd say that Holliday is a marginal upgrade, if anything.

You would make a great GM.

For the Mets.

WAR for the last 3 years
Bay -      0.0 (not on vacation, just crappy)/2.9/3.5
Holliday - 8.0/6.3/5.7

Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

Holliday played for teams that were good enough that his contributions could matter.

And adjust for Coors inflation.

I think that the OPS splits--especially the away ones--are still the most relevant, as they measure individual performance, instead of linking value to the quality of the team for which the player played.

For a self-professed non-stat fag, you sure sound a lot like a stat fag, even if you might have no idea what you're talking about.

Quote from: Terrell Owens
"Like my boy tells me: If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golly, it is a rat."

He doesn't know what he's talking about. WAR does not depend upon the team's win totals.

Edit: Eli kind of beat me to it, but to elaborate, you convert from OBP and SLG to some form of an offensive "runs created" vaue and compare it against lg average. Same for defensive contribution. Sum them up to calculate runs above replacement (RAR). Divide by 10. 10 runs per win. The result is WAR.



I think somehow he wanted to say that his shitty team affected his OBP and SLG. Apparently the fact that Nyjer's just a dumb morgan affected the way Bay could hit the fuck out of the ball and get on base. CFiHP, seriously. You can't win this Holliday > Bay on many levels. He's a better hitter, fielder, teammate, cocksucker, and player. Just because they got similar dollar amounts (Bay around $16mil/yr and Holliday $17mil/yr) doesn't mean their equal. Holliday is probably worth that and Bay is overpaid. Good for him, but fuck stop pulling these "SABR" stats of yours out of your lady friend's vagoda.

If you want to look at OPS, look at OPS+ which adjusts for (GASP!) park factors (And the COORS INFLATION). I don't even feel like looking up the differences they have in that, or any other stats. The point remains that Holliday is still better than Bay.

As far as your article about Bay's UZR, it is possible, and it has happened before (Teixera) that UZR misses, but it's still a very good indicator of a player's defensive prowess. That article mentions that Bay was a top player in RF last year. Would we agree that Adam Dunn is a horrible outfielder? Well, take a look at this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_factor#2008) Even the shitty Adam Dunn had a good RF year.

Oh yea... Sydney Crosby's a fucking diving nifkin.

To add a BBQ glaze on top of Yeti's roast:

Bay last 3 years: 121 OPS+
Holliday last 3 years: 143 OPS+

It's really not close.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on January 05, 2010, 08:20:53 PM
I really had no idea why CFiHP was so passionately defending an inferior player until it dawned on me that Jason Bay used to play for Pittsburgh.  I get it now.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 05, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

That's not how it works.

From what I read, WAR calculated the # of wins the player would be expected to contribute above a generic/average replacement.  Maybe I misunderstood, but if that is the case, it'd make sense that a player's team would influence that stat.

As for UZR, it makes sense that an OF's rating would be affected by who plays the neighboring position(s).  It'll be interesting to see if a healthy Beltran affects Bay's rating.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on January 05, 2010, 11:12:43 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 11:02:01 PM
From what I read, WAR calculated the # of wins the player would be expected to contribute above a generic/average replacement.  Maybe I misunderstood, but if that is the case, it'd make sense that a player's team would influence that stat.

Due to a busy schedule, I've outsourced all of my sabermetric explanations to Yeti, so he'll be following up with you shortly. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 05, 2010, 11:15:06 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 05, 2010, 08:17:57 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 05, 2010, 06:47:48 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 05, 2010, 06:21:53 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 05, 2010, 06:09:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 05, 2010, 08:53:05 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 03:38:19 AM
Holliday is two years younger though, and he might be better than Bay, but by "a lot?"  I don't see the wide margin in the numbers.  I'd say that Holliday is a marginal upgrade, if anything.

You would make a great GM.

For the Mets.

WAR for the last 3 years
Bay -      0.0 (not on vacation, just crappy)/2.9/3.5
Holliday - 8.0/6.3/5.7

Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

Holliday played for teams that were good enough that his contributions could matter.

And adjust for Coors inflation.

I think that the OPS splits--especially the away ones--are still the most relevant, as they measure individual performance, instead of linking value to the quality of the team for which the player played.

For a self-professed non-stat fag, you sure sound a lot like a stat fag, even if you might have no idea what you're talking about.

Quote from: Terrell Owens
"Like my boy tells me: If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golly, it is a rat."

He doesn't know what he's talking about. WAR does not depend upon the team's win totals.

Edit: Eli kind of beat me to it, but to elaborate, you convert from OBP and SLG to some form of an offensive "runs created" vaue and compare it against lg average. Same for defensive contribution. Sum them up to calculate runs above replacement (RAR). Divide by 10. 10 runs per win. The result is WAR.



I think somehow he wanted to say that his shitty team affected his OBP and SLG. Apparently the fact that Nyjer's just a dumb morgan affected the way Bay could hit the fuck out of the ball and get on base. CFiHP, seriously. You can't win this Holliday > Bay on many levels. He's a better hitter, fielder, teammate, cocksucker, and player. Just because they got similar dollar amounts (Bay around $16mil/yr and Holliday $17mil/yr) doesn't mean their equal. Holliday is probably worth that and Bay is overpaid. Good for him, but fuck stop pulling these "SABR" stats of yours out of your lady friend's vagoda.

If you want to look at OPS, look at OPS+ which adjusts for (GASP!) park factors (And the COORS INFLATION). I don't even feel like looking up the differences they have in that, or any other stats. The point remains that Holliday is still better than Bay.

As far as your article about Bay's UZR, it is possible, and it has happened before (Teixera) that UZR misses, but it's still a very good indicator of a player's defensive prowess. That article mentions that Bay was a top player in RF last year. Would we agree that Adam Dunn is a horrible outfielder? Well, take a look at this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_factor#2008) Even the shitty Adam Dunn had a good RF year.

Oh yea... Sydney Crosby's a fucking diving nifkin.

To add a BBQ glaze on top of Yeti's roast:

Bay last 3 years: 121 OPS+
Holliday last 3 years: 143 OPS+

It's really not close.

Thanks. I just reread what I wrote. HeyZues, the typing errors.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on January 05, 2010, 11:20:57 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 05, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark link=topic= 6969.msg201356#msg201356 date=1262736186
Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

That's not how it works.

From what I read, WAR calculated the # of wins the player would be expected to contribute above a generic/average replacement.  Maybe I misunderstood, but if that is the case, it'd make sense that a player's team would influence that stat.

As for UZR, it makes sense that an OF's rating would be affected by who plays the neighboring position(s).  It'll be interesting to see if a healthy Beltran affects Bay's rating.

"No", to the first part. I explained that already.

And "no" to the second as well. Look up how UZR is calculated and you'll understand why: it's zero sum. If a CF gets to a disproportionate amount of balls that fall in one of the 78 zones (the wedges of the outfield for which responsibility is split between the LF and CF), then the LF is receiving credit for fewer balls fielded then what is normally expected. As such, this would cause a negative shift in UZR by way of the RngR component. The CF would need to be fielding fewer, not more, balls in the 78 zones for a LF to show improvement.

Edit: So, technically, yes to what you're asserting: outfielders do affect the UZR of neighboring outfielders, but in the complete opposite manner to which you are arguing.

Edit2: "78 zones" may be a misnomer. I think that's the terminology used by STATS, Inc. I think UZR uses some other data set which may or may not divide the field in the same fashion. But, the general concept stands no matter how responsibility is allocated.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 05, 2010, 11:22:28 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 05, 2010, 11:12:43 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 11:02:01 PM
From what I read, WAR calculated the # of wins the player would be expected to contribute above a generic/average replacement.  Maybe I misunderstood, but if that is the case, it'd make sense that a player's team would influence that stat.

Due to a busy schedule, I've outsourced all of my sabermetric explanations to Yeti, so he'll be following up with you shortly. 

I'm tired and lazy. CFiHP, if you haven't done so, go here: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/#winvalues. Let me know if you have questions. I might help. Part 4 has replacement player information that you may find interesting.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on January 06, 2010, 07:26:25 AM
This statqueer tomfoolery confuses me, but I have a blind, ignorant faith in it--I know it all makes sense, I just don't care enough to make sense of it.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on January 06, 2010, 07:39:14 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on January 06, 2010, 07:26:25 AM
This statqueer tomfoolery confuses me, but I have a blind, ignorant faith in it--I know it all makes sense, I just don't care enough to make sense of it.

THI
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: flannj on January 06, 2010, 07:40:48 AM
Quote from: MAD on January 06, 2010, 07:39:14 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on January 06, 2010, 07:26:25 AM
This statqueer tomfoolery confuses me, but I have a blind, ignorant faith in it--I know it all makes sense, I just don't care enough to make sense of it.

THI

Beat me to it Huey.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: SKO on January 06, 2010, 07:45:06 AM
Quote from: flannj on January 06, 2010, 07:40:48 AM
Quote from: MAD on January 06, 2010, 07:39:14 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on January 06, 2010, 07:26:25 AM
This statqueer tomfoolery confuses me, but I have a blind, ignorant faith in it--I know it all makes sense, I just don't care enough to make sense of it.

THI

Beat me to it Huey.

Hell, I still don't get why I'm supposed to JO everytime some morgan gets a walk instead of a hit. I mean HELLO ITS CALLED HITTING. But whatev, the groupthink says go with it.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Richard Chuggar on January 06, 2010, 07:50:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 06, 2010, 07:45:06 AM
Quote from: flannj on January 06, 2010, 07:40:48 AM
Quote from: MAD on January 06, 2010, 07:39:14 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on January 06, 2010, 07:26:25 AM
This statqueer tomfoolery confuses me, but I have a blind, ignorant faith in it--I know it all makes sense, I just don't care enough to make sense of it.

THI

Beat me to it Huey.

Hell, I still don't get why I'm supposed to JO everytime some morgan gets a walk instead of a hit. I mean HELLO ITS CALLED HITTING. But whatev, the groupthink says go with it.

You show me a statfaggot, and I'll show you a faggot.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on January 06, 2010, 08:26:17 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 05, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

That's not how it works.

From what I read, WAR calculated the # of wins the player would be expected to contribute above a generic/average replacement.  Maybe I misunderstood, but if that is the case, it'd make sense that a player's team would influence that stat.

As for UZR, it makes sense that an OF's rating would be affected by who plays the neighboring position(s).  It'll be interesting to see if a healthy Beltran affects Bay's rating.

So what's it like going through life never being wrong about anything?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on January 06, 2010, 09:45:33 AM
This is the worst thread on the internet.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on January 06, 2010, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 06, 2010, 09:45:33 AM
This is the worst thread on the internet.
I won't hear it! There's a thread in Eastbourne...
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CubFaninHydePark on January 06, 2010, 06:42:40 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 06, 2010, 08:26:17 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 05, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

That's not how it works.

From what I read, WAR calculated the # of wins the player would be expected to contribute above a generic/average replacement.  Maybe I misunderstood, but if that is the case, it'd make sense that a player's team would influence that stat.

As for UZR, it makes sense that an OF's rating would be affected by who plays the neighboring position(s).  It'll be interesting to see if a healthy Beltran affects Bay's rating.

So what's it like going through life never being wrong about anything?

I'm not saying I'm right--I didn't understand the full definition of the stats and why a player's team's quality didn't affect the WAR value of a player and was asking for clarity.

I'm just trying to learn, and focused/pointed questions are usually the best way to get the information you're lacking.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on January 06, 2010, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 06, 2010, 06:42:40 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 06, 2010, 08:26:17 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 05, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

That's not how it works.

From what I read, WAR calculated the # of wins the player would be expected to contribute above a generic/average replacement.  Maybe I misunderstood, but if that is the case, it'd make sense that a player's team would influence that stat.

As for UZR, it makes sense that an OF's rating would be affected by who plays the neighboring position(s).  It'll be interesting to see if a healthy Beltran affects Bay's rating.

So what's it like going through life never being wrong about anything?

I'm not saying I'm right--I didn't understand the full definition of the stats and why a player's team's quality didn't affect the WAR value of a player and was asking for clarity.

I'm just trying to learn, and focused/pointed questions are usually the best way to get the information you're lacking.

Normally questions are punctuated with question marks. Just FYI.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on January 06, 2010, 07:04:02 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 06, 2010, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 06, 2010, 06:42:40 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 06, 2010, 08:26:17 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 05, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

That's not how it works.

From what I read, WAR calculated the # of wins the player would be expected to contribute above a generic/average replacement.  Maybe I misunderstood, but if that is the case, it'd make sense that a player's team would influence that stat.

As for UZR, it makes sense that an OF's rating would be affected by who plays the neighboring position(s).  It'll be interesting to see if a healthy Beltran affects Bay's rating.

So what's it like going through life never being wrong about anything?

I'm not saying I'm right--I didn't understand the full definition of the stats and why a player's team's quality didn't affect the WAR value of a player and was asking for clarity.

I'm just trying to learn, and focused/pointed questions are usually the best way to get the information you're lacking.

Normally questions are punctuated with question marks. Just FYI.

Ok, I LOLed at that.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on January 06, 2010, 07:06:52 PM
I used to get Gil Gunderson and CFiHP mixed up.  I don't anymore.  Aren't they both lawyers or law students or hockey fans or something?  I don't know why.  Who can remember those kinds of things?  Anyway...


my apologies, Gil.  It doesn't happen anymore.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 06, 2010, 07:39:48 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 06, 2010, 07:04:02 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 06, 2010, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 06, 2010, 06:42:40 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 06, 2010, 08:26:17 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 05, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 05, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Quality of teams has to factor in here--when Bay was with the Pirates, they were so shitty that a replacement LF wasn't going to cost the Pirates games they were already losing.  When he was with the Red Sox, there was enough surrounding talent that Bay's contributions probably didn't influence their winning percentage that strongly.

That's not how it works.

From what I read, WAR calculated the # of wins the player would be expected to contribute above a generic/average replacement.  Maybe I misunderstood, but if that is the case, it'd make sense that a player's team would influence that stat.

As for UZR, it makes sense that an OF's rating would be affected by who plays the neighboring position(s).  It'll be interesting to see if a healthy Beltran affects Bay's rating.

So what's it like going through life never being wrong about anything?

I'm not saying I'm right--I didn't understand the full definition of the stats and why a player's team's quality didn't affect the WAR value of a player and was asking for clarity.

I'm just trying to learn, and focused/pointed questions are usually the best way to get the information you're lacking.

Normally questions are punctuated with question marks. Just FYI.

Ok, I LOLed at that.

He beat me to the punch... and his was much better phrased than mine was going to be
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on January 06, 2010, 07:45:07 PM
Quote from: JD on January 06, 2010, 07:06:52 PM
I used to get Gil Gunderson and CFiHP mixed up.  I don't anymore.  Aren't they both lawyers or law students or hockey fans or something?  I don't know why.  Who can remember those kinds of things?  Anyway...


my apologies, Gil.  It doesn't happen anymore.

Apologies accepted, Captain Needa.

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/1/11/Vader_Needa.jpg/200px-Vader_Needa.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on January 06, 2010, 11:19:49 PM
Quote from: JD on January 06, 2010, 07:06:52 PM
I used to get Gil Gunderson and CFiHP mixed up.  I don't anymore.  Aren't they both lawyers or law students or hockey fans or something?  I don't know why.  Who can remember those kinds of things?  Anyway...


my apologies, Gil.  It doesn't happen anymore.

Me next!  Me next!  With whom do you get me mixed up?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CubFaninHydePark on January 07, 2010, 01:29:29 AM
Quote from: Oleg on January 06, 2010, 11:19:49 PM
Quote from: JD on January 06, 2010, 07:06:52 PM
I used to get Gil Gunderson and CFiHP mixed up.  I don't anymore.  Aren't they both lawyers or law students or hockey fans or something?  I don't know why.  Who can remember those kinds of things?  Anyway...


my apologies, Gil.  It doesn't happen anymore.

Me next!  Me next!  With whom do you get me mixed up?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Hornswoggle_with_shilelagh.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on January 07, 2010, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 07, 2010, 01:29:29 AM
Quote from: Oleg on January 06, 2010, 11:19:49 PM
Quote from: JD on January 06, 2010, 07:06:52 PM
I used to get Gil Gunderson and CFiHP mixed up.  I don't anymore.  Aren't they both lawyers or law students or hockey fans or something?  I don't know why.  Who can remember those kinds of things?  Anyway...


my apologies, Gil.  It doesn't happen anymore.

Me next!  Me next!  With whom do you get me mixed up?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Hornswoggle_with_shilelagh.jpg)

That, too, is an old joke.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on January 07, 2010, 12:11:20 PM
Older than you?  Wakka, wakka, wakka!

It's a vicious cycle...
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 07, 2010, 02:53:33 PM
Scott Eyre tells MLB.com's Todd Zolecki that he's retiring after 13 seasons in the majors. The Phillies had offered the lefty a minor league deal, but Eyre, who only wanted to pitch for the Phils, chose to retire instead. Eyre pitched for the White Sox, Blue Jays, Giants and Cubs before joining the Phillies midway through 2008.

rotoworld
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on January 07, 2010, 04:54:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 06, 2010, 11:19:49 PM
Quote from: JD on January 06, 2010, 07:06:52 PM
I used to get Gil Gunderson and CFiHP mixed up.  I don't anymore.  Aren't they both lawyers or law students or hockey fans or something?  I don't know why.  Who can remember those kinds of things?  Anyway...


my apologies, Gil.  It doesn't happen anymore.

Me next!  Me next!  With whom do you get me mixed up?

I don't understand that sentence.  Make it more simple, maybe?  And what was your old handle?  Because I did get you mixed up with someone.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on January 07, 2010, 05:28:03 PM
He was Bosoz72 and I used to get him mixed up with Luclaxwhoeverthefuck.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on January 07, 2010, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 07, 2010, 05:28:03 PM
He was Bosoz72 and I used to get him mixed up with Luclaxwhoeverthefuck.

Me, too.  That's weird.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on January 12, 2010, 07:45:52 AM
QuoteAccording to Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune, the Cubs "plan to make a run" at free agent right-hander Ben Sheets.

Cubs general manager Jim Hendry reportedly spoke to Sheets' agent at the Winter Meetings in Indianapolis last month and sources have informed the Tribune that the the Cubs are one of the right-hander's "preferred destinations." If he's still asking for over $10 million annually on a two-year contract a marriage between the two sides won't work, but his demands should come down as spring training approaches.

If Hendry doesn't go astronomical on the contract, I have no problem with Ben Sheets.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
I have no diea where to put shit (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jxxIlNv7AWoek0wdA2uFwThgP8Hw) like this any more.

Quote from: Google
Cleveland Indians sign veteran Mark Grudzielanek to a minor-league deal.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on January 12, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
I have no diea where to put shit (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jxxIlNv7AWoek0wdA2uFwThgP8Hw) like this any more.

Quote from: Google
Cleveland Indians sign veteran Mark Grudzielanek to a minor-league deal.

I have no diea either.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on January 12, 2010, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 12, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
I have no diea where to put shit (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jxxIlNv7AWoek0wdA2uFwThgP8Hw) like this any more.

Quote from: Google
Cleveland Indians sign veteran Mark Grudzielanek to a minor-league deal.

I have no diea either.

You don't really have to put that anywhere.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 12, 2010, 02:41:04 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 12, 2010, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 12, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
I have no diea where to put shit (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jxxIlNv7AWoek0wdA2uFwThgP8Hw) like this any more.

Quote from: Google
Cleveland Indians sign veteran Mark Grudzielanek to a minor-league deal.

I have no diea either.

You don't really have to put that anywhere.

If it's not about Eric Byrnes, Pen ain't interested.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 02:45:51 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 12, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
I have no diea where to put shit (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jxxIlNv7AWoek0wdA2uFwThgP8Hw) like this any more.

Quote from: Google
Cleveland Indians sign veteran Mark Grudzielanek to a minor-league deal.

I have no diea either.

Lowest form...
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on January 12, 2010, 02:49:46 PM
Quote from: BH on January 12, 2010, 02:41:04 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 12, 2010, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 12, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
I have no diea where to put shit (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jxxIlNv7AWoek0wdA2uFwThgP8Hw) like this any more.

Quote from: Google
Cleveland Indians sign veteran Mark Grudzielanek to a minor-league deal.

I have no diea either.

You don't really have to put that anywhere.

If it's not about Eric Byrnes, Pen ain't interested.

(http://coreybrock.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/byrnes.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on January 12, 2010, 03:07:08 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 02:45:51 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 12, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
I have no diea where to put shit (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jxxIlNv7AWoek0wdA2uFwThgP8Hw) like this any more.

Quote from: Google
Cleveland Indians sign veteran Mark Grudzielanek to a minor-league deal.

I have no diea either.

Lowest form...

I just thought the word "diea" looked cool.  It looked like some kind of really smart religious term that I never knew before.  I'm pretty sure you could use that word in Scrabble and get away with it.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 12, 2010, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 12, 2010, 02:49:46 PM
Quote from: BH on January 12, 2010, 02:41:04 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 12, 2010, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 12, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
I have no diea where to put shit (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jxxIlNv7AWoek0wdA2uFwThgP8Hw) like this any more.

Quote from: Google
Cleveland Indians sign veteran Mark Grudzielanek to a minor-league deal.

I have no diea either.

You don't really have to put that anywhere.

If it's not about Eric Byrnes, Pen ain't interested.

(http://coreybrock.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/byrnes.jpg)

Dood looks like a douche. Perfect for you
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 12, 2010, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 12, 2010, 03:07:08 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 02:45:51 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 12, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
I have no diea where to put shit (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jxxIlNv7AWoek0wdA2uFwThgP8Hw) like this any more.

Quote from: Google
Cleveland Indians sign veteran Mark Grudzielanek to a minor-league deal.

I have no diea either.

Lowest form...

I just thought the word "diea" looked cool.  It looked like some kind of really smart religious term that I never knew before.  I'm pretty sure you could use that word in Scrabble and get away with it.

"Trust me... It's Greek."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 15, 2010, 02:22:27 PM
Que Pen.

"Diamondbacks designated OF Eric Byrnes for assignment.
The Diamondbacks needed his roster spot for freshly inked first baseman Adam LaRoche. Byrnes broke a bone in his hand last season and hit just .226 with a .270 on-base percentage when healthy. He is entering the final season of a three-year, $30 million contract. "

www.rotoworld.com
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on January 15, 2010, 02:35:15 PM
Quote from: BH on January 15, 2010, 02:22:27 PM
Que Pen.

"Diamondbacks designated OF Eric Byrnes for assignment.
The Diamondbacks needed his roster spot for freshly inked first baseman Adam LaRoche. Byrnes broke a bone in his hand last season and hit just .226 with a .270 on-base percentage when healthy. He is entering the final season of a three-year, $30 million contract. "

www.rotoworld.com

WY DONT U TRI HITNG WIT A BROAKEN HAND
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 15, 2010, 03:59:03 PM
Simply Awesome (http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14194654).

" A Nevada man is accused of posing as a Major League Baseball player to steal a car.

Matthew T. Van Meter, 24, is charged in Utah state court with felony counts of theft and forgery. Charging papers accuse Van Meter, of Elko., Nev., of using the name and documents identifying him as Chicago Cubs outfielder Tyler Colvin.

Van Meter, the charges say, on Tuesday signed documents with a Ken Garff auto dealership in West Valley City to buy a 2010 Dodge pickup worth $50,000. Van Meter promised to pay for the truck the next day and drove away in it.

The court documents say Van Meter also has an outstanding theft warrant in Tacoma, Wash. On Thursday night, he was being held in the Salt Lake County jail in lieu of $20,000 bail.

Colvin is a 24-year-old Georgia native who appeared in just six games with the Cubs last season but is regarded as one of the team's top prospects. It was not clear Thursday night whether Van Meter had any legitimate connection to Colvin. "
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Brownie on January 15, 2010, 04:49:55 PM
Quote from: BH on January 15, 2010, 03:59:03 PM
Simply Awesome (http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14194654).

" A Nevada man is accused of posing as a Major League Baseball player to steal a car.

Matthew T. Van Meter, 24, is charged in Utah state court with felony counts of theft and forgery. Charging papers accuse Van Meter, of Elko., Nev., of using the name and documents identifying him as Chicago Cubs outfielder Tyler Colvin.

Van Meter, the charges say, on Tuesday signed documents with a Ken Garff auto dealership in West Valley City to buy a 2010 Dodge pickup worth $50,000. Van Meter promised to pay for the truck the next day and drove away in it.

The court documents say Van Meter also has an outstanding theft warrant in Tacoma, Wash. On Thursday night, he was being held in the Salt Lake County jail in lieu of $20,000 bail.

Colvin is a 24-year-old Georgia native who appeared in just six games with the Cubs last season but is regarded as one of the team's top prospects. It was not clear Thursday night whether Van Meter had any legitimate connection to Colvin. "

Colvin's a Major Leaguer? He played in six games with the Cubs? When? Where? Where was I?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Tony on January 15, 2010, 04:57:29 PM
Quote from: Brownie on January 15, 2010, 04:49:55 PM
Quote from: BH on January 15, 2010, 03:59:03 PM
Simply Awesome (http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14194654).

" A Nevada man is accused of posing as a Major League Baseball player to steal a car.

Matthew T. Van Meter, 24, is charged in Utah state court with felony counts of theft and forgery. Charging papers accuse Van Meter, of Elko., Nev., of using the name and documents identifying him as Chicago Cubs outfielder Tyler Colvin.

Van Meter, the charges say, on Tuesday signed documents with a Ken Garff auto dealership in West Valley City to buy a 2010 Dodge pickup worth $50,000. Van Meter promised to pay for the truck the next day and drove away in it.

The court documents say Van Meter also has an outstanding theft warrant in Tacoma, Wash. On Thursday night, he was being held in the Salt Lake County jail in lieu of $20,000 bail.

Colvin is a 24-year-old Georgia native who appeared in just six games with the Cubs last season but is regarded as one of the team's top prospects. It was not clear Thursday night whether Van Meter had any legitimate connection to Colvin. "

Colvin's a Major Leaguer? He played in six games with the Cubs? When? Where? Where was I?

You were eagerly awaiting the debut of Jay Cutler and the new look Bears offense while ignoring anything that had to do with the Cubs.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 18, 2010, 10:15:43 AM
I hope to god I can trust these stupid canadians.. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/jays-gm-sticks-to-his-guns/article1434416/)

QuoteThe Blue Jays will have a scout at tomorrow's workout by free-agent pitcher Ben Sheets, but he's all but signed by the Chicago Cubs
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on January 18, 2010, 10:49:19 AM
Quote from: Yeti on January 18, 2010, 10:15:43 AM
I hope to god I can trust these stupid canadians.. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/jays-gm-sticks-to-his-guns/article1434416/)

QuoteThe Blue Jays will have a scout at tomorrow's workout by free-agent pitcher Ben Sheets, but he's all but signed by the Chicago Cubs

As long as he's not making the $12 million he wanted, I'm perfectly fine with this.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on January 18, 2010, 11:07:01 AM
Quote from: Weebs on January 18, 2010, 10:49:19 AM
Quote from: Yeti on January 18, 2010, 10:15:43 AM
I hope to god I can trust these stupid canadians.. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/jays-gm-sticks-to-his-guns/article1434416/)

QuoteThe Blue Jays will have a scout at tomorrow's workout by free-agent pitcher Ben Sheets, but he's all but signed by the Chicago Cubs

As long as he's not making the $12 million he wanted, I'm perfectly fine with this.

What did you budget for him?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on January 18, 2010, 11:23:10 AM
Quote from: Fork on January 18, 2010, 11:07:01 AM
Quote from: Weebs on January 18, 2010, 10:49:19 AM
Quote from: Yeti on January 18, 2010, 10:15:43 AM
I hope to god I can trust these stupid canadians.. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/jays-gm-sticks-to-his-guns/article1434416/)

QuoteThe Blue Jays will have a scout at tomorrow's workout by free-agent pitcher Ben Sheets, but he's all but signed by the Chicago Cubs

As long as he's not making the $12 million he wanted, I'm perfectly fine with this.

Two years, 6 million + INCENTIVES????

What did you budget for him?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on January 18, 2010, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: Fork on January 18, 2010, 11:07:01 AM
Quote from: Weebs on January 18, 2010, 10:49:19 AM
Quote from: Yeti on January 18, 2010, 10:15:43 AM
I hope to god I can trust these stupid canadians.. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/jays-gm-sticks-to-his-guns/article1434416/)

QuoteThe Blue Jays will have a scout at tomorrow's workout by free-agent pitcher Ben Sheets, but he's all but signed by the Chicago Cubs

As long as he's not making the $12 million he wanted, I'm perfectly fine with this.

What did you budget for him?

I think he means that his brother can get a better deal on a knock-off Ben Sheets.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on January 18, 2010, 11:40:16 AM
I think it's fine if he gets an incentives-laden deal, but he was asking for $11-13 million annually, and hasn't pitched in a game since 2008.  That's the sort of contract only Jim Hendry would be dumb enough to sign.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 20, 2010, 12:36:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 12, 2010, 02:49:46 PM
Quote from: BH on January 12, 2010, 02:41:04 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 12, 2010, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 12, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
I have no diea where to put shit (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jxxIlNv7AWoek0wdA2uFwThgP8Hw) like this any more.

Quote from: Google
Cleveland Indians sign veteran Mark Grudzielanek to a minor-league deal.

I have no diea either.

You don't really have to put that anywhere.

If it's not about Eric Byrnes, Pen ain't interested.

(http://coreybrock.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/byrnes.jpg)

He sucks. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/byrnes-babip/)

I'll admit I looked at his BABiP on time when you JO'd to him and thought he was just an unlucky hitter who could bounce back, but then I was set straight

QuoteSo, if the core skills are still in place and BABIP can be driven by luck, it’s feasible that Byrnes could bounce back and become a solid offensive contributor again.

Maybe. But he is an example of why you can’t just look at a hitters BABIP and regress to a league average mean, because Byrnes has one particular skill that destroys his ability to get hits on balls in play; he is the master of the infield fly.

QuoteWe cannot look at Byrnes’ low BABIP and conclude that he’s gotten unlucky. His BABIP is a reflection of the fact that he is constantly hitting 100 foot flies that are easily grabbed by an infielder and have no real possibility of becoming a hit. He’s not hitting lasers at people. This isn’t bad luck. This is bad hitting.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on January 20, 2010, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 20, 2010, 12:36:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 12, 2010, 02:49:46 PM
Quote from: BH on January 12, 2010, 02:41:04 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 12, 2010, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 12, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
I have no diea where to put shit (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jxxIlNv7AWoek0wdA2uFwThgP8Hw) like this any more.

Quote from: Google
Cleveland Indians sign veteran Mark Grudzielanek to a minor-league deal.

I have no diea either.

You don't really have to put that anywhere.

If it's not about Eric Byrnes, Pen ain't interested.

(http://coreybrock.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/byrnes.jpg)

He sucks. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/byrnes-babip/)

I'll admit I looked at his BABiP on time when you JO'd to him and thought he was just an unlucky hitter who could bounce back, but then I was set straight

QuoteSo, if the core skills are still in place and BABIP can be driven by luck, it's feasible that Byrnes could bounce back and become a solid offensive contributor again.

Maybe. But he is an example of why you can't just look at a hitters BABIP and regress to a league average mean, because Byrnes has one particular skill that destroys his ability to get hits on balls in play; he is the master of the infield fly.

QuoteWe cannot look at Byrnes' low BABIP and conclude that he's gotten unlucky. His BABIP is a reflection of the fact that he is constantly hitting 100 foot flies that are easily grabbed by an infielder and have no real possibility of becoming a hit. He's not hitting lasers at people. This isn't bad luck. This is bad hitting.

Not to point out the obvious, but I don't actually like Eric Byrnes at all.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on January 20, 2010, 01:40:18 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2010, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 20, 2010, 12:36:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 12, 2010, 02:49:46 PM
Quote from: BH on January 12, 2010, 02:41:04 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 12, 2010, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 12, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
I have no diea where to put shit (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jxxIlNv7AWoek0wdA2uFwThgP8Hw) like this any more.

Quote from: Google
Cleveland Indians sign veteran Mark Grudzielanek to a minor-league deal.

I have no diea either.

You don't really have to put that anywhere.

If it's not about Eric Byrnes, Pen ain't interested.

(http://coreybrock.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/byrnes.jpg)

He sucks. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/byrnes-babip/)

I'll admit I looked at his BABiP on time when you JO'd to him and thought he was just an unlucky hitter who could bounce back, but then I was set straight

QuoteSo, if the core skills are still in place and BABIP can be driven by luck, it's feasible that Byrnes could bounce back and become a solid offensive contributor again.

Maybe. But he is an example of why you can't just look at a hitters BABIP and regress to a league average mean, because Byrnes has one particular skill that destroys his ability to get hits on balls in play; he is the master of the infield fly.

QuoteWe cannot look at Byrnes' low BABIP and conclude that he's gotten unlucky. His BABIP is a reflection of the fact that he is constantly hitting 100 foot flies that are easily grabbed by an infielder and have no real possibility of becoming a hit. He's not hitting lasers at people. This isn't bad luck. This is bad hitting.

Not to point out the obvious, but I don't actually like Eric Byrnes at all.

Way to backpedal.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on January 20, 2010, 02:34:47 PM
Arbitration is fun!

These dudes were smart enough to take what they can get:
Baker gets a raise to $975k from $415k
Guzman gets $825k, from $421.5k
Gorzelanny gets $800k from $433k
Fontenot gets $1M from $430k (?!)
Hill gets $700k from $475k

These dudes are greedy gutless assholes:
Theriot asked for $3.4MM (!), Cubs offered $2.6MM
Marmol wanted $2.5MM, Cubs offered $1.75MM
Marshall requested $1.175M, Cubs offered $800k (same as Gorzelanny)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on January 20, 2010, 05:47:58 PM
Fontenot has the negatives of Hendry's Cosmopolitan shoot.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on January 20, 2010, 07:43:25 PM
QuoteThe Cubs are currently engaged in negotiations with free agent reliever Kiko Calero, one major-league source told FOXSports.com.

Calero is asking for a two-year deal, the source said. So far, the team has resisted budging from a one-year offer.

The Cubs are wary of the history of injuries to Calero's right (throwing) shoulder. He was sidelined by a torn rotator cuff in 2008, when he made only five big-league appearances with Oakland. His 60 innings with Florida last year were a career high, but he missed roughly three weeks with inflammation in the shoulder.

Calero, 35, is an intriguing free agent after putting together a very good 2009 season with the Marlins. He went 2-2 with a 1.95 ERA in 67 appearances.

While the Cubs are committed to Carlos Marmol as their closer, they have placed a high priority on adding a late-inning reliever, sources have said.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on January 21, 2010, 07:14:30 AM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on January 20, 2010, 07:43:25 PM
QuoteThe Cubs are currently engaged in negotiations with free agent reliever Kiko Calero, one major-league source told FOXSports.com.

Calero is asking for a two-year deal, the source said. So far, the team has resisted budging from a one-year offer.

The Cubs are wary of the history of injuries to Calero's right (throwing) shoulder. He was sidelined by a torn rotator cuff in 2008, when he made only five big-league appearances with Oakland. His 60 innings with Florida last year were a career high, but he missed roughly three weeks with inflammation in the shoulder.

Calero, 35, is an intriguing free agent after putting together a very good 2009 season with the Marlins. He went 2-2 with a 1.95 ERA in 67 appearances.

While the Cubs are committed to Carlos Marmol as their closer, they have placed a high priority on adding a late-inning reliever, sources have said.

Picking up a reliever from the Marlins? How can that possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on January 21, 2010, 08:02:14 AM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on January 20, 2010, 02:34:47 PM
Arbitration is fun!

These dudes were smart enough to take what they can get:
Baker gets a raise to $975k from $415k
Guzman gets $825k, from $421.5k
Gorzelanny gets $800k from $433k
Fontenot gets $1M from $430k (?!)
Hill gets $700k from $475k

These dudes are greedy gutless assholes:
Theriot asked for $3.4MM (!), Cubs offered $2.6MM
Marmol wanted $2.5MM, Cubs offered $1.75MM
Marshall requested $1.175M, Cubs offered $800k (same as Gorzelanny)

I love SeanBearPig.  Pay the man.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on January 21, 2010, 08:41:37 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2010, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 20, 2010, 12:36:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 12, 2010, 02:49:46 PM
Quote from: BH on January 12, 2010, 02:41:04 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 12, 2010, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 12, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 12, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
I have no diea where to put shit (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jxxIlNv7AWoek0wdA2uFwThgP8Hw) like this any more.

Quote from: Google
Cleveland Indians sign veteran Mark Grudzielanek to a minor-league deal.

I have no diea either.

You don't really have to put that anywhere.

If it's not about Eric Byrnes, Pen ain't interested.

(http://coreybrock.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/byrnes.jpg)

He sucks. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/byrnes-babip/)

I'll admit I looked at his BABiP on time when you JO'd to him and thought he was just an unlucky hitter who could bounce back, but then I was set straight

QuoteSo, if the core skills are still in place and BABIP can be driven by luck, it's feasible that Byrnes could bounce back and become a solid offensive contributor again.

Maybe. But he is an example of why you can't just look at a hitters BABIP and regress to a league average mean, because Byrnes has one particular skill that destroys his ability to get hits on balls in play; he is the master of the infield fly.

QuoteWe cannot look at Byrnes' low BABIP and conclude that he's gotten unlucky. His BABIP is a reflection of the fact that he is constantly hitting 100 foot flies that are easily grabbed by an infielder and have no real possibility of becoming a hit. He's not hitting lasers at people. This isn't bad luck. This is bad hitting.

Not to point out the obvious, but I don't actually like Eric Byrnes at all.

He'd be a perfect Cub.  See, they play lots of day games, and it's easy to lose those really high fly balls in the sun.  It happens a couple of times a season and bam!  Two more hits!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 21, 2010, 03:16:09 PM
Booo (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&page=starting9/100121)

QuoteConversely, the Cubs' interest in Sheets is overblown. GM Jim Hendry's biggest objectives are finding a late-inning reliever and a bat for the bench. The Cubs are set with Carlos Zambrano, Ted Lilly, Ryan Dempster and Randy Wells in the first four spots, with Carlos Silva, Tom Gorzelanny and Jeff Samardzija set to compete for the fifth spot. Sheets would look great in Cubbie blue, but he's more of an extravagance than a necessity.

And fuck him for saying "Cubbie blue"
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on January 21, 2010, 03:23:35 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 21, 2010, 03:16:09 PM
Booo (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&page=starting9/100121)

QuoteConversely, the Cubs' interest in Sheets is overblown. GM Jim Hendry's biggest objectives are finding a late-inning reliever and a bat for the bench. The Cubs are set with Carlos Zambrano, Ted Lilly, Ryan Dempster and Randy Wells in the first four spots, with Carlos Silva, Tom Gorzelanny and Jeff Samardzija set to compete for the fifth spot. Sheets would look great in Cubbie blue, but he's more of an extravagance than a necessity.

And fuck him for saying "Cubbie blue"

Marshall isn't even an option for the 5th spot?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Waco Kid on January 21, 2010, 03:30:22 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 21, 2010, 03:16:09 PM
Booo (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&page=starting9/100121)

QuoteConversely, the Cubs' interest in Sheets is overblown. GM Jim Hendry's biggest objectives are finding a late-inning reliever and a bat for the bench. The Cubs are set with Carlos Zambrano, Ted Lilly, Ryan Dempster and Randy Wells in the first four spots, with Carlos Silva, Tom Gorzelanny and Jeff Samardzija set to compete for the fifth spot. Sheets would look great in Cubbie blue, but he's more of an extravagance than a necessity.

And fuck him for saying "Cubbie blue"

Holy crap.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on January 21, 2010, 03:33:35 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 21, 2010, 03:23:35 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 21, 2010, 03:16:09 PM
Booo (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&page=starting9/100121)

QuoteConversely, the Cubs' interest in Sheets is overblown. GM Jim Hendry's biggest objectives are finding a late-inning reliever and a bat for the bench. The Cubs are set with Carlos Zambrano, Ted Lilly, Ryan Dempster and Randy Wells in the first four spots, with Carlos Silva, Tom Gorzelanny and Jeff Samardzija set to compete for the fifth spot. Sheets would look great in Cubbie blue, but he's more of an extravagance than a necessity.

And fuck him for saying "Cubbie blue"

Marshall isn't even an option for the 5th spot?

On the other hand, Jerry Crasnick wrote that, so consider the source.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on January 21, 2010, 03:34:42 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 21, 2010, 03:23:35 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 21, 2010, 03:16:09 PM
Booo (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&page=starting9/100121)

QuoteConversely, the Cubs' interest in Sheets is overblown. GM Jim Hendry's biggest objectives are finding a late-inning reliever and a bat for the bench. The Cubs are set with Carlos Zambrano, Ted Lilly, Ryan Dempster and Randy Wells in the first four spots, with Carlos Silva, Tom Gorzelanny and Jeff Samardzija set to compete for the fifth spot. Sheets would look great in Cubbie blue, but he's more of an extravagance than a necessity.

And fuck him for saying "Cubbie blue"

Marshall isn't even an option for the 5th spot?

Hendry traded him for Brian Roberts. Or maybe it was Adam Dunn, I forget.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on January 22, 2010, 09:10:19 AM
This move might not suck.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/2005212,CST-SPT-cub22.article (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/2005212,CST-SPT-cub22.article)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 22, 2010, 09:30:35 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on January 22, 2010, 09:10:19 AM
This move might not suck.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/2005212,CST-SPT-cub22.article (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/2005212,CST-SPT-cub22.article)

I agree:

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Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on January 22, 2010, 09:33:25 AM
Link worked for me.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 22, 2010, 09:35:42 AM
Quote from: Jon on January 22, 2010, 09:33:25 AM
Link worked for me.

Hmmm... I even went through the main page at the Sun-Times and then to the Jonny Gomes article (I assumed that's what it was) and it gave me the same thing... But regardless:

(http://media1.suntimes.com/multimedia/012210cub_cst_feed_20100121_23_33_39_33858-218-310.imageContent)

At least I didn't shave a mohawk into my head.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on January 22, 2010, 10:18:04 AM
So the Cubs signed Jon Gomes? Yes? No? Maybe?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on January 22, 2010, 12:54:13 PM
He looks like a class act.  Gotta give him that.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on January 22, 2010, 01:01:31 PM

Isn't he fairly poor with the glove?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on January 22, 2010, 02:20:36 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 22, 2010, 01:01:31 PM

Isn't he fairly poor with the glove?

That's what makes him a perfect fit for this outfield.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: powen01 on January 22, 2010, 02:33:17 PM
Quote from: CBStew on January 22, 2010, 12:54:13 PM
He looks like a class act.  Gotta give him that.

I love the cut of his jib (and his haircut).
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on January 22, 2010, 02:59:15 PM
Quote from: powen01 on January 22, 2010, 02:33:17 PM
Quote from: CBStew on January 22, 2010, 12:54:13 PM
He looks like a class act.  Gotta give him that.

I love the cut of his jib (and his haircut of his jib).

Bored'd.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on January 22, 2010, 08:06:52 PM
Damn it, New York Times. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/sports/baseball/18cubs.html?em)

Quote"There is an illness about being a Cubs fan," said Jim Greanias, a Greek Orthodox priest who was invited by the Cubs to try to exorcise the team's storied curses before the start of the National League division series in 2008. "In October, you think 'I'm done with them, forget about it.' Then all of the sudden, it comes back at you, starting with the Cubs Convention, you start getting that warm, fuzzy glow and think, well, maybe this year, they'll do it."

Is this better, worse, or the same as quoting Pollyellon as the media's singular VOICE OF THE CUBS FAN?

Oh, and FYC(rane).
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Disappointment (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/cubs-close-to-landing-an-outfielder-.html), it be imminent.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 26, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Disappointment (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/cubs-close-to-landing-an-outfielder-.html) it imminent.

I'm gonna go all meatball and say the should just re-sign Faceplant O'Bushchin.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 26, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Disappointment (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/cubs-close-to-landing-an-outfielder-.html) it imminent.

I'm gonna go all meatball and say the should just re-sign Faceplant O'Bushchin.

REED MANTLE!!

Nah, it's probably Nady.  I'd like Dye though, just to rile up the methheads, as noted earlier.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Brownie on January 26, 2010, 11:06:44 AM
Bea Arthur urged the Cubs to sign JI in Sunday's Trib. Maybe it's gonna hai?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on January 26, 2010, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 26, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Disappointment (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/cubs-close-to-landing-an-outfielder-.html) it imminent.

I'm gonna go all meatball and say the should just re-sign Faceplant O'Bushchin.

REED MANTLE!!

Nah, it's probably Nady.  I'd like Dye though, just to rile up the methheads, as noted earlier.

I'd prefer Nady.  I'm pretty surprised there's been no Adam Kennedy talk.  He's 34, left-handed, plays second base, and is coming off of a career year.  He's got "Jim Hendry Offseason Signing" written all over him.  Plus, if Hendry DID sign him, it'd make that stuff written all over him a whole lot less strange.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on January 26, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 26, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Disappointment (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/cubs-close-to-landing-an-outfielder-.html) it imminent.

I'm gonna go all meatball and say the should just re-sign Faceplant O'Bushchin.

REED MANTLE!!

Nah, it's probably Nady.  I'd like Dye though, just to rile up the methheads, as noted earlier.

I'd prefer Nady.  I'm pretty surprised there's been no Adam Kennedy talk.  He's 34, left-handed, plays second base, and is coming off of a career year.  He's got "Jim Hendry Offseason Signing" written all over him.  Plus, if Hendry DID sign him, it'd make that stuff written all over him a whole lot less strange.

All you had to do was speak JD, and Hendry made it happen for you. (http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/statuses/8243649763)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on January 26, 2010, 11:47:18 AM
Quote from: Pre on January 26, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 26, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Disappointment (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/cubs-close-to-landing-an-outfielder-.html) it imminent.

I'm gonna go all meatball and say the should just re-sign Faceplant O'Bushchin.

REED MANTLE!!

Nah, it's probably Nady.  I'd like Dye though, just to rile up the methheads, as noted earlier.

I'd prefer Nady.  I'm pretty surprised there's been no Adam Kennedy talk.  He's 34, left-handed, plays second base, and is coming off of a career year.  He's got "Jim Hendry Offseason Signing" written all over him.  Plus, if Hendry DID sign him, it'd make that stuff written all over him a whole lot less strange.

All you had to do was speak JD, and Hendry made it happen for you. (http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/statuses/8243649763)

Truth be told, I actually had a source that told me this was about to break.  And now it's been BROKEN. 

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 26, 2010, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 11:47:18 AM
Quote from: Pre on January 26, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 26, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Disappointment (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/cubs-close-to-landing-an-outfielder-.html) it imminent.

I'm gonna go all meatball and say the should just re-sign Faceplant O'Bushchin.

REED MANTLE!!

Nah, it's probably Nady.  I'd like Dye though, just to rile up the methheads, as noted earlier.

I'd prefer Nady.  I'm pretty surprised there's been no Adam Kennedy talk.  He's 34, left-handed, plays second base, and is coming off of a career year.  He's got "Jim Hendry Offseason Signing" written all over him.  Plus, if Hendry DID sign him, it'd make that stuff written all over him a whole lot less strange.

All you had to do was speak JD, and Hendry made it happen for you. (http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/statuses/8243649763)

Truth be told, I actually had a source that told me this was about to break.  And now it's been BROKEN. 



How's Gally doing these days?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on January 26, 2010, 12:04:36 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 26, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 26, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Disappointment (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/cubs-close-to-landing-an-outfielder-.html) it imminent.

I'm gonna go all meatball and say the should just re-sign Faceplant O'Bushchin.

REED MANTLE!!

Nah, it's probably Nady.  I'd like Dye though, just to rile up the methheads, as noted earlier.

I'd prefer Nady.  I'm pretty surprised there's been no Adam Kennedy talk.  He's 34, left-handed, plays second base, and is coming off of a career year.  He's got "Jim Hendry Offseason Signing" written all over him.  Plus, if Hendry DID sign him, it'd make that stuff written all over him a whole lot less strange.

All you had to do was speak JD, and Hendry made it happen for you. (http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/statuses/8243649763)

I approve of this move. My question is if there's money left for Sheets and/or Calero, or is this it?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on January 26, 2010, 12:07:01 PM
Quote from: BH on January 26, 2010, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 11:47:18 AM
Quote from: Pre on January 26, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 26, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Disappointment (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/cubs-close-to-landing-an-outfielder-.html) it imminent.

I'm gonna go all meatball and say the should just re-sign Faceplant O'Bushchin.

REED MANTLE!!

Nah, it's probably Nady.  I'd like Dye though, just to rile up the methheads, as noted earlier.

I'd prefer Nady.  I'm pretty surprised there's been no Adam Kennedy talk.  He's 34, left-handed, plays second base, and is coming off of a career year.  He's got "Jim Hendry Offseason Signing" written all over him.  Plus, if Hendry DID sign him, it'd make that stuff written all over him a whole lot less strange.

All you had to do was speak JD, and Hendry made it happen for you. (http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/statuses/8243649763)

Truth be told, I actually had a source that told me this was about to break.  And now it's been BROKEN. 



How's Gally doing these days?

He's looking forward to the upcoming baseball season!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on January 26, 2010, 12:09:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 26, 2010, 12:04:36 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 26, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 26, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Disappointment (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/cubs-close-to-landing-an-outfielder-.html) it imminent.

I'm gonna go all meatball and say the should just re-sign Faceplant O'Bushchin.

REED MANTLE!!

Nah, it's probably Nady.  I'd like Dye though, just to rile up the methheads, as noted earlier.

I'd prefer Nady.  I'm pretty surprised there's been no Adam Kennedy talk.  He's 34, left-handed, plays second base, and is coming off of a career year.  He's got "Jim Hendry Offseason Signing" written all over him.  Plus, if Hendry DID sign him, it'd make that stuff written all over him a whole lot less strange.

All you had to do was speak JD, and Hendry made it happen for you. (http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/statuses/8243649763)

I approve of this move.
My question is if there's money left for Sheets and/or Calero, or is this it?

Agreed, I think it's a great move, assuming he play either corner moderately well.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on January 26, 2010, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 26, 2010, 12:04:36 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 26, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 26, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Disappointment (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/cubs-close-to-landing-an-outfielder-.html) it imminent.

I'm gonna go all meatball and say the should just re-sign Faceplant O'Bushchin.

REED MANTLE!!

Nah, it's probably Nady.  I'd like Dye though, just to rile up the methheads, as noted earlier.

I'd prefer Nady.  I'm pretty surprised there's been no Adam Kennedy talk.  He's 34, left-handed, plays second base, and is coming off of a career year.  He's got "Jim Hendry Offseason Signing" written all over him.  Plus, if Hendry DID sign him, it'd make that stuff written all over him a whole lot less strange.

All you had to do was speak JD, and Hendry made it happen for you. (http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/statuses/8243649763)

I approve of this move. My question is if there's money left for Sheets and/or Calero, or is this it?

Sheets to the A's.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 26, 2010, 12:14:55 PM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 26, 2010, 12:04:36 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 26, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 26, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Disappointment (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/cubs-close-to-landing-an-outfielder-.html) it imminent.

I'm gonna go all meatball and say the should just re-sign Faceplant O'Bushchin.

REED MANTLE!!

Nah, it's probably Nady.  I'd like Dye though, just to rile up the methheads, as noted earlier.

I'd prefer Nady.  I'm pretty surprised there's been no Adam Kennedy talk.  He's 34, left-handed, plays second base, and is coming off of a career year.  He's got "Jim Hendry Offseason Signing" written all over him.  Plus, if Hendry DID sign him, it'd make that stuff written all over him a whole lot less strange.

All you had to do was speak JD, and Hendry made it happen for you. (http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/statuses/8243649763)

I approve of this move. My question is if there's money left for Sheets and/or Calero, or is this it?

Sheets to the A's.

According to CBSSports.com, the A's have agreed to terms with right-hander Ben Sheets on a one-year contract worth around $8 million.
CBS' Danny Knobler hears that Sheets has already passed his physical and a deal will be announced Tuesday afternoon. The 31-year-old righty missed all of 2009 due to elbow surgery but he was impressive in a throwing session last week and carries a 3.72 career ERA. He'll surely enjoy reestablishing his value in the spacious confines of Oakland's home ballpark. Jan. 26 - 12:55 pm et
Source: CBSSports.com
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on January 26, 2010, 12:19:16 PM
Quote from: BH on January 26, 2010, 12:14:55 PM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 26, 2010, 12:04:36 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 26, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 26, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Disappointment (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/cubs-close-to-landing-an-outfielder-.html) it imminent.

I'm gonna go all meatball and say the should just re-sign Faceplant O'Bushchin.

REED MANTLE!!

Nah, it's probably Nady.  I'd like Dye though, just to rile up the methheads, as noted earlier.

I'd prefer Nady.  I'm pretty surprised there's been no Adam Kennedy talk.  He's 34, left-handed, plays second base, and is coming off of a career year.  He's got "Jim Hendry Offseason Signing" written all over him.  Plus, if Hendry DID sign him, it'd make that stuff written all over him a whole lot less strange.

All you had to do was speak JD, and Hendry made it happen for you. (http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/statuses/8243649763)

I approve of this move. My question is if there's money left for Sheets and/or Calero, or is this it?

Sheets to the A's.

According to CBSSports.com, the A's have agreed to terms with right-hander Ben Sheets on a one-year contract worth around $8 million.
CBS' Danny Knobler hears that Sheets has already passed his physical and a deal will be announced Tuesday afternoon. The 31-year-old righty missed all of 2009 due to elbow surgery but he was impressive in a throwing session last week and carries a 3.72 career ERA. He'll surely enjoy reestablishing his value in the spacious confines of Oakland's home ballpark. Jan. 26 - 12:55 pm et
Source: CBSSports.com

What?  You thought they wouldn't believe me?  You questioning my credibility, BH?  I question your commitment to your New Year's resolution to eat healthier and not stay up so late.  Your post is uncalled for.  You have 1 day.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 26, 2010, 12:28:02 PM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 12:19:16 PM
Quote from: BH on January 26, 2010, 12:14:55 PM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 26, 2010, 12:04:36 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 26, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 26, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Disappointment (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/cubs-close-to-landing-an-outfielder-.html) it imminent.

I'm gonna go all meatball and say the should just re-sign Faceplant O'Bushchin.

REED MANTLE!!

Nah, it's probably Nady.  I'd like Dye though, just to rile up the methheads, as noted earlier.

I'd prefer Nady.  I'm pretty surprised there's been no Adam Kennedy talk.  He's 34, left-handed, plays second base, and is coming off of a career year.  He's got "Jim Hendry Offseason Signing" written all over him.  Plus, if Hendry DID sign him, it'd make that stuff written all over him a whole lot less strange.

All you had to do was speak JD, and Hendry made it happen for you. (http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/statuses/8243649763)

I approve of this move. My question is if there's money left for Sheets and/or Calero, or is this it?

Sheets to the A's.

According to CBSSports.com, the A's have agreed to terms with right-hander Ben Sheets on a one-year contract worth around $8 million.
CBS' Danny Knobler hears that Sheets has already passed his physical and a deal will be announced Tuesday afternoon. The 31-year-old righty missed all of 2009 due to elbow surgery but he was impressive in a throwing session last week and carries a 3.72 career ERA. He'll surely enjoy reestablishing his value in the spacious confines of Oakland's home ballpark. Jan. 26 - 12:55 pm et
Source: CBSSports.com

What?  You thought they wouldn't believe me?  You questioning my credibility, BH?  I question your commitment to your New Year's resolution to eat healthier and not stay up so late.  Your post is uncalled for.  You have 1 day.

He was just confirming his FACE/DRLP skills
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 26, 2010, 12:36:26 PM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 12:19:16 PM
Quote from: BH on January 26, 2010, 12:14:55 PM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 26, 2010, 12:04:36 PM
Quote from: Pre on January 26, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on January 26, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Disappointment (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/cubs-close-to-landing-an-outfielder-.html) it imminent.

I'm gonna go all meatball and say the should just re-sign Faceplant O'Bushchin.

REED MANTLE!!

Nah, it's probably Nady.  I'd like Dye though, just to rile up the methheads, as noted earlier.

I'd prefer Nady.  I'm pretty surprised there's been no Adam Kennedy talk.  He's 34, left-handed, plays second base, and is coming off of a career year.  He's got "Jim Hendry Offseason Signing" written all over him.  Plus, if Hendry DID sign him, it'd make that stuff written all over him a whole lot less strange.

All you had to do was speak JD, and Hendry made it happen for you. (http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/statuses/8243649763)

I approve of this move. My question is if there's money left for Sheets and/or Calero, or is this it?

Sheets to the A's.

According to CBSSports.com, the A's have agreed to terms with right-hander Ben Sheets on a one-year contract worth around $8 million.
CBS' Danny Knobler hears that Sheets has already passed his physical and a deal will be announced Tuesday afternoon. The 31-year-old righty missed all of 2009 due to elbow surgery but he was impressive in a throwing session last week and carries a 3.72 career ERA. He'll surely enjoy reestablishing his value in the spacious confines of Oakland's home ballpark. Jan. 26 - 12:55 pm et
Source: CBSSports.com

What?  You thought they wouldn't believe me?  You questioning my credibility, BH?  I question your commitment to your New Year's resolution to eat healthier and not stay up so late.  Your post is uncalled for.  You have 1 day.

Your post seemed like a guess. A wild guess. At best. People come to this site for accuracy.
Everyone knows that.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 26, 2010, 12:39:57 PM
More FACTS.

"Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that Ben Sheets will receive $10 million plus performance bonuses from the Athletics.
If the Mets had guaranteed him $10 million, everyone would call them desperate, but Billy Beane does it and he keeps his genius hat. It's the way of the world. Sheets, a former first-round pick of the Brewers in 1999, will suit up as a member of another organization for the first time in his major league career. He's scheduled to be introduced at a press conference this afternoon.
Source: Jon Heyman on Twitter
Related: Athletics"
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 26, 2010, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: BH on January 26, 2010, 12:39:57 PM
More FACTS.

"Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that Ben Sheets will receive $10 million plus performance bonuses from the Athletics.
If the Mets had guaranteed him $10 million, everyone would call them desperate, but Billy Beane does it and he keeps his genius hat. It's the way of the world. Sheets, a former first-round pick of the Brewers in 1999, will suit up as a member of another organization for the first time in his major league career. He's scheduled to be introduced at a press conference this afternoon.
Source: Jon Heyman on Twitter
Related: Athletics"

Heyman has a beef with Beane?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on January 26, 2010, 12:50:17 PM
Broooose Levine reporting Xavier Nady a Cub pending a physical.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on January 26, 2010, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 26, 2010, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: BH on January 26, 2010, 12:39:57 PM
More FACTS.

"Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that Ben Sheets will receive $10 million plus performance bonuses from the Athletics.
If the Mets had guaranteed him $10 million, everyone would call them desperate, but Billy Beane does it and he keeps his genius hat. It's the way of the world. Sheets, a former first-round pick of the Brewers in 1999, will suit up as a member of another organization for the first time in his major league career. He's scheduled to be introduced at a press conference this afternoon.
Source: Jon Heyman on Twitter
Related: Athletics"

Heyman has a beef with Beane?

Break ups are never easy.  We knew Beane went that way, but I was unaware of Heyman's affiliation.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on January 26, 2010, 01:03:14 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 26, 2010, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: BH on January 26, 2010, 12:39:57 PM
More FACTS.

"Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that Ben Sheets will receive $10 million plus performance bonuses from the Athletics.
If the Mets had guaranteed him $10 million, everyone would call them desperate, but Billy Beane does it and he keeps his genius hat. It's the way of the world. Sheets, a former first-round pick of the Brewers in 1999, will suit up as a member of another organization for the first time in his major league career. He's scheduled to be introduced at a press conference this afternoon.
Source: Jon Heyman on Twitter
Related: Athletics"

Heyman has a beef with Beane?

I believe linkless BH is quoting Rotoworld. Whoever writes for them is the one who has a bean with Beafe.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 26, 2010, 01:15:24 PM
According to Jon Heyman of SI.com, Xavier Nady will receive a $3.3 million base salary from the Cubs with a chance for $2 million in incentives based on games played.
The contract is contingent upon Nady passing a physical, which isn't a given after his second Tommy John surgery. The 31-year-old Nady is a .280/.335/.458 lifetime hitter and crushes lefty pitching, so he'll be a nice option for manager Lou Pinella if he passes.
Source: Jon Heyman on Twitter
Related: Cardinals

www.rotoworld.com
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on January 26, 2010, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: BH on January 26, 2010, 01:15:24 PM
According to Jon Heyman of SI.com, Xavier Nady will receive a $3.3 million base salary from the Cubs with a chance for $2 million in incentives based on games played.
The contract is contingent upon Nady passing a physical, which isn't a given after his second Tommy John surgery. The 31-year-old Nady is a .280/.335/.458 lifetime hitter and crushes lefty pitching, so he'll be a nice option for manager Lou Pinella if he passes.
Source: Jon Heyman on Twitter
Related: Cardinals

www.rotoworld.com

Cardinals?  Pinella?  You have some shady sources.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Ivy6 on January 26, 2010, 02:37:18 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 26, 2010, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: BH on January 26, 2010, 12:39:57 PM
More FACTS.

"Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that Ben Sheets will receive $10 million plus performance bonuses from the Athletics.
If the Mets had guaranteed him $10 million, everyone would call them desperate, but Billy Beane does it and he keeps his genius hat. It's the way of the world. Sheets, a former first-round pick of the Brewers in 1999, will suit up as a member of another organization for the first time in his major league career. He's scheduled to be introduced at a press conference this afternoon.
Source: Jon Heyman on Twitter
Related: Athletics"

Heyman has a beef with Beane?

http://www.firejoemorgan.com/search/label/jon%20heyman

Heyman does a decent job as a Schefteresque info guy, but he sure hates progressive baseball fans.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on January 26, 2010, 03:39:30 PM
letthenadyerabegin!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on January 26, 2010, 05:35:16 PM
Quote from: CBStew on January 26, 2010, 03:39:30 PM
letthenadyerabegin!

This and That
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 05:38:15 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 26, 2010, 05:35:16 PM
Quote from: CBStew on January 26, 2010, 03:39:30 PM
letthenadyerabegin!

This and That

We'll see which train either of us is jumping on come May, Pen.

My money's on the NadyisabumandItoldyouinJanuary-train.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on January 26, 2010, 05:40:32 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 05:38:15 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 26, 2010, 05:35:16 PM
Quote from: CBStew on January 26, 2010, 03:39:30 PM
letthenadyerabegin!

This and That

We'll see which train either of us is jumping on come May, Pen.

My money's on the NadyisabumandItoldyouinJanuary-train.

As I said in the SBox (SORRY BH!!) I don't want any of you fuckers trying to hop on the Nady bandwagon come May when shit gets real.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on January 26, 2010, 07:11:20 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 26, 2010, 05:40:32 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on January 26, 2010, 05:38:15 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 26, 2010, 05:35:16 PM
Quote from: CBStew on January 26, 2010, 03:39:30 PM
letthenadyerabegin!

This and That

We'll see which train either of us is jumping on come May, Pen.

My money's on the NadyisabumandItoldyouinJanuary-train.

As I said in the SBox (SORRY BH!!) I don't want any of you fuckers trying to hop on the Nady bandwagon come May when shit gets real.

Nady usually starts hot.  Or, I like to think he does.  But so does Fukudome.  So, who sits?  Probably, the black since it'll be cold, but I'm just guessing.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on January 26, 2010, 08:34:03 PM
Chad Tracy.  Enough said.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on January 27, 2010, 07:53:34 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 08:34:03 PM
Chad Tracy.  Enough said.

Championship!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on January 27, 2010, 08:20:46 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on January 27, 2010, 07:53:34 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 08:34:03 PM
Chad Tracy.  Enough said.

Championship!

Link?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on January 27, 2010, 08:42:21 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 27, 2010, 08:20:46 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on January 27, 2010, 07:53:34 AM
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2010, 08:34:03 PM
Chad Tracy.  Enough said.

Championship!

Link?

Championship!  http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=3586 (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=3586)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on January 27, 2010, 08:49:43 AM
Chad Tracy?  THE Chad Tracy?  Things are looking up!  The Cubs haven't had this kind of Ginger haired bench god since Murton was taking pitchers deep (to shortstop.)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on January 27, 2010, 08:50:57 AM
Quote from: Andy on January 27, 2010, 08:49:43 AM
Chad Tracy?  THE Chad Tracy?  Things are looking up!  The Cubs haven't had this kind of Ginger haired bench god since Murton was taking pitchers deep (to shortstop.) 150 ft. in the air to second base.

Big Game Murton'd.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on January 27, 2010, 08:54:49 AM

Why would the Cubs waste money on an washed up old fart like Chad Tracy when they've got a young up-and-coming prospect like Micah Hoffpauir?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on January 27, 2010, 09:00:53 AM
Over on Bruce Miles' blog, our old buddy Sanjay H. (HoopsCubs) was worried that the Cubs have too many good players to choose from when constructing a bench.

Somebody's been on the hooka a little too long.

If they start Lee, Baker, Theriot, E-ramis, Soto, Soriano, Byrd and Kosuke;

Have a rotation of Zambrano, Dempster, Wells, Gorzelanny (ugh) and Silva (ugh, ugh) with Lilly on the DL;

Have a bullpen of Marmol, Grabow, Marshall, Guzman, (and three spots going to some pair of Samardzija, Berg, Caridad, the immortal Jeff Gray, Stevens, Atkins or the Albino)

That leaves five bench spots.  You need a backup catcher so it'll be Koyie.  Nady gets one.  So that leaves three spots from among this assortment of greatness:

Fontenot, Andy White, Hoffpauir, Chad Tracy, something named Bryan LaHair, something named Brad Snyder, Bobby Scales and Darwin Barney.  Oooh, however will Lou choose?

At this point, worrying about cutting a guy who can play doesn't seem like much of an option.

Oh, and Evans, when you go to make your hilarious Darwin Barney: Origin of the Utility Infielder Photoshop...just don't.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on January 27, 2010, 09:16:32 AM
Quote from: Fork on January 27, 2010, 08:54:49 AM

Why would the Cubs waste money on an washed up old fart like Chad Tracy when they've got a young up-and-coming prospect like Micah Hoffpauir?

I know you're making a joke, but I heard someone make this exact complaint yesterday. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on January 27, 2010, 09:26:02 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 27, 2010, 09:16:32 AM
Quote from: Fork on January 27, 2010, 08:54:49 AM

Why would the Cubs waste money on an washed up old fart like Chad Tracy when they've got a young up-and-coming prospect like Micah Hoffpauir?

I know you're making a joke, but I heard someone make this exact complaint yesterday. 

Did you tell them Tracy's younger than Hoffpauir?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on January 27, 2010, 09:26:36 AM
Quote from: Weebs on January 27, 2010, 08:50:57 AM
Quote from: Andy on January 27, 2010, 08:49:43 AM
Chad Tracy?  THE Chad Tracy?  Things are looking up!  The Cubs haven't had this kind of Ginger haired bench god since Murton was taking pitchers deep (to shortstop.) 150 ft. in the air to second base.

Big Game Murton'd.

I'm not sure I understand what you did there or why. But I like it. Matt Murton and Kurt Evans are getting their asses kicked all over this messageboard today. I think it's going to be great day. Might as well be because tonight's poker night. Yes!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit IV on January 27, 2010, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Andy on January 27, 2010, 09:00:53 AM
Over on Bruce Miles' blog, our old buddy Sanjay H. (HoopsCubs) was worried that the Cubs have too many good players to choose from when constructing a bench.

Somebody's been on the hooka a little too long.

If they start Lee, Baker, Theriot, E-ramis, Soto, Soriano, Byrd and Kosuke;

Have a rotation of Zambrano, Dempster, Wells, Gorzelanny (ugh) and Silva (ugh, ugh) with Lilly on the DL;

Have a bullpen of Marmol, Grabow, Marshall, Guzman, (and three spots going to some pair of Samardzija, Berg, Caridad, the immortal Jeff Gray, Stevens, Atkins or the Albino)

That leaves five bench spots.  You need a backup catcher so it'll be Koyie.  Nady gets one.  So that leaves three spots from among this assortment of greatness:

Fontenot, Andy White, Hoffpauir, Chad Tracy, something named Bryan LaHair, something named Brad Snyder, Bobby Scales and Darwin Barney.  Oooh, however will Lou choose?

At this point, worrying about cutting a guy who can play doesn't seem like much of an option.

Oh, and Evans, when you go to make your hilarious Darwin Barney: Origin of the Utility Infielder Photoshop...just don't.

The bench gets a little better if Castro can play (PLEASE GOD), Theriot moves to short, and Baker is in the mix.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on January 27, 2010, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on January 27, 2010, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Andy on January 27, 2010, 09:00:53 AM
Over on Bruce Miles' blog, our old buddy Sanjay H. (HoopsCubs) was worried that the Cubs have too many good players to choose from when constructing a bench.

Somebody's been on the hooka a little too long.

If they start Lee, Baker, Theriot, E-ramis, Soto, Soriano, Byrd and Kosuke;

Have a rotation of Zambrano, Dempster, Wells, Gorzelanny (ugh) and Silva (ugh, ugh) with Lilly on the DL;

Have a bullpen of Marmol, Grabow, Marshall, Guzman, (and three spots going to some pair of Samardzija, Berg, Caridad, the immortal Jeff Gray, Stevens, Atkins or the Albino)

That leaves five bench spots.  You need a backup catcher so it'll be Koyie.  Nady gets one.  So that leaves three spots from among this assortment of greatness:

Fontenot, Andy White, Hoffpauir, Chad Tracy, something named Bryan LaHair, something named Brad Snyder, Bobby Scales and Darwin Barney.  Oooh, however will Lou choose?

At this point, worrying about cutting a guy who can play doesn't seem like much of an option.

Oh, and Evans, when you go to make your hilarious Darwin Barney: Origin of the Utility Infielder Photoshop...just don't.

The bench gets a little better if Castro can play (PLEASE GOD), Theriot moves to short Japan, and Baker is in the mix.

Murton'd.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on January 27, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on January 27, 2010, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Andy on January 27, 2010, 09:00:53 AM
Over on Bruce Miles' blog, our old buddy Sanjay H. (HoopsCubs) was worried that the Cubs have too many good players to choose from when constructing a bench.

Somebody's been on the hooka a little too long.

If they start Lee, Baker, Theriot, E-ramis, Soto, Soriano, Byrd and Kosuke;

Have a rotation of Zambrano, Dempster, Wells, Gorzelanny (ugh) and Silva (ugh, ugh) with Lilly on the DL;

Have a bullpen of Marmol, Grabow, Marshall, Guzman, (and three spots going to some pair of Samardzija, Berg, Caridad, the immortal Jeff Gray, Stevens, Atkins or the Albino)

That leaves five bench spots.  You need a backup catcher so it'll be Koyie.  Nady gets one.  So that leaves three spots from among this assortment of greatness:

Fontenot, Andy White, Hoffpauir, Chad Tracy, something named Bryan LaHair, something named Brad Snyder, Bobby Scales and Darwin Barney.  Oooh, however will Lou choose?

At this point, worrying about cutting a guy who can play doesn't seem like much of an option.

Oh, and Evans, when you go to make your hilarious Darwin Barney: Origin of the Utility Infielder Photoshop...just don't.

The bench gets a little better if Castro can play (PLEASE GOD), Theriot moves to short, and Baker is in the mix.

The kid is 19 years old and his minor league experience consists of 2 short seasons of rookie ball and 1 season split between Daytona and Tennessee. I think expecting him to contribute this year is as realistic as the camera crew on the Office. They've been there six years already, don't they have enough footage for their documentary!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 27, 2010, 12:00:46 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 27, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on January 27, 2010, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Andy on January 27, 2010, 09:00:53 AM
Over on Bruce Miles' blog, our old buddy Sanjay H. (HoopsCubs) was worried that the Cubs have too many good players to choose from when constructing a bench.

Somebody's been on the hooka a little too long.

If they start Lee, Baker, Theriot, E-ramis, Soto, Soriano, Byrd and Kosuke;

Have a rotation of Zambrano, Dempster, Wells, Gorzelanny (ugh) and Silva (ugh, ugh) with Lilly on the DL;

Have a bullpen of Marmol, Grabow, Marshall, Guzman, (and three spots going to some pair of Samardzija, Berg, Caridad, the immortal Jeff Gray, Stevens, Atkins or the Albino)

That leaves five bench spots.  You need a backup catcher so it'll be Koyie.  Nady gets one.  So that leaves three spots from among this assortment of greatness:

Fontenot, Andy White, Hoffpauir, Chad Tracy, something named Bryan LaHair, something named Brad Snyder, Bobby Scales and Darwin Barney.  Oooh, however will Lou choose?

At this point, worrying about cutting a guy who can play doesn't seem like much of an option.

Oh, and Evans, when you go to make your hilarious Darwin Barney: Origin of the Utility Infielder Photoshop...just don't.

The bench gets a little better if Castro can play (PLEASE GOD), Theriot moves to short, and Baker is in the mix.

The kid is 19 years old and his minor league experience consists of 2 short seasons of rookie ball and 1 season split between Daytona and Tennessee. I think expecting him to contribute this year is as realistic as the camera crew on the Office. They've been there six years already, don't they have enough footage for their documentary!

If we bring castro up to sit on the bench, it will make zero sense. Who knows if Castro will even stay at shortstop, with Hak-Ju Lee playing so well at that position. Keith Law just rated our farm system 6th overall. That ain't bad. Tim Wilken, and I'm assuming Phil Nevin behind the scenes, has actually made our farm system respectable. The white sox farm system, by the way, rated last.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on January 27, 2010, 12:02:32 PM
Quote from: BH on January 27, 2010, 12:00:46 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 27, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on January 27, 2010, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Andy on January 27, 2010, 09:00:53 AM
Over on Bruce Miles' blog, our old buddy Sanjay H. (HoopsCubs) was worried that the Cubs have too many good players to choose from when constructing a bench.

Somebody's been on the hooka a little too long.

If they start Lee, Baker, Theriot, E-ramis, Soto, Soriano, Byrd and Kosuke;

Have a rotation of Zambrano, Dempster, Wells, Gorzelanny (ugh) and Silva (ugh, ugh) with Lilly on the DL;

Have a bullpen of Marmol, Grabow, Marshall, Guzman, (and three spots going to some pair of Samardzija, Berg, Caridad, the immortal Jeff Gray, Stevens, Atkins or the Albino)

That leaves five bench spots.  You need a backup catcher so it'll be Koyie.  Nady gets one.  So that leaves three spots from among this assortment of greatness:

Fontenot, Andy White, Hoffpauir, Chad Tracy, something named Bryan LaHair, something named Brad Snyder, Bobby Scales and Darwin Barney.  Oooh, however will Lou choose?

At this point, worrying about cutting a guy who can play doesn't seem like much of an option.

Oh, and Evans, when you go to make your hilarious Darwin Barney: Origin of the Utility Infielder Photoshop...just don't.

The bench gets a little better if Castro can play (PLEASE GOD), Theriot moves to short, and Baker is in the mix.

The kid is 19 years old and his minor league experience consists of 2 short seasons of rookie ball and 1 season split between Daytona and Tennessee. I think expecting him to contribute this year is as realistic as the camera crew on the Office. They've been there six years already, don't they have enough footage for their documentary!

If we bring castro up to sit on the bench, it will make zero sense. Who knows if Castro will even stay at shortstop, with Hak-Ju Lee playing so well at that position. Keith Law just rated our farm system 6th overall. That ain't bad. Tim Wilken, and I'm assuming Phil Nevin behind the scenes, has actually made our farm system respectable. The white sox farm system, by the way, rated last.

That's because they traded everyone away to help build a pitching staff in a ballpark that is built for a power hitting team. Nice work, Ken.

I want to hear JD's opinion on Keith Law. I hear they're old pals.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on January 27, 2010, 12:03:34 PM
Why did Andy ignore Sam Fuld?  Was Fontenot standing in front of him?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on January 27, 2010, 12:04:01 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 27, 2010, 12:02:32 PM
Quote from: BH on January 27, 2010, 12:00:46 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 27, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on January 27, 2010, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Andy on January 27, 2010, 09:00:53 AM
Over on Bruce Miles' blog, our old buddy Sanjay H. (HoopsCubs) was worried that the Cubs have too many good players to choose from when constructing a bench.

Somebody's been on the hooka a little too long.

If they start Lee, Baker, Theriot, E-ramis, Soto, Soriano, Byrd and Kosuke;

Have a rotation of Zambrano, Dempster, Wells, Gorzelanny (ugh) and Silva (ugh, ugh) with Lilly on the DL;

Have a bullpen of Marmol, Grabow, Marshall, Guzman, (and three spots going to some pair of Samardzija, Berg, Caridad, the immortal Jeff Gray, Stevens, Atkins or the Albino)

That leaves five bench spots.  You need a backup catcher so it'll be Koyie.  Nady gets one.  So that leaves three spots from among this assortment of greatness:

Fontenot, Andy White, Hoffpauir, Chad Tracy, something named Bryan LaHair, something named Brad Snyder, Bobby Scales and Darwin Barney.  Oooh, however will Lou choose?

At this point, worrying about cutting a guy who can play doesn't seem like much of an option.

Oh, and Evans, when you go to make your hilarious Darwin Barney: Origin of the Utility Infielder Photoshop...just don't.

The bench gets a little better if Castro can play (PLEASE GOD), Theriot moves to short, and Baker is in the mix.

The kid is 19 years old and his minor league experience consists of 2 short seasons of rookie ball and 1 season split between Daytona and Tennessee. I think expecting him to contribute this year is as realistic as the camera crew on the Office. They've been there six years already, don't they have enough footage for their documentary!

If we bring castro up to sit on the bench, it will make zero sense. Who knows if Castro will even stay at shortstop, with Hak-Ju Lee playing so well at that position. Keith Law just rated our farm system 6th overall. That ain't bad. Tim Wilken, and I'm assuming Phil Nevin behind the scenes, has actually made our farm system respectable. The white sox farm system, by the way, rated last.

That's because they traded everyone away to help build a pitching staff in a ballpark that is built for a power hitting team. Nice work, Ken.

I want to hear JD's opinion on Keith Law. I hear they're old pals.

Power hitting team?  I guess you never heard of a little thing called Ozzie-ball.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on January 27, 2010, 12:05:41 PM
Quote from: BH on January 27, 2010, 12:00:46 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 27, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on January 27, 2010, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Andy on January 27, 2010, 09:00:53 AM
Over on Bruce Miles' blog, our old buddy Sanjay H. (HoopsCubs) was worried that the Cubs have too many good players to choose from when constructing a bench.

Somebody's been on the hooka a little too long.

If they start Lee, Baker, Theriot, E-ramis, Soto, Soriano, Byrd and Kosuke;

Have a rotation of Zambrano, Dempster, Wells, Gorzelanny (ugh) and Silva (ugh, ugh) with Lilly on the DL;

Have a bullpen of Marmol, Grabow, Marshall, Guzman, (and three spots going to some pair of Samardzija, Berg, Caridad, the immortal Jeff Gray, Stevens, Atkins or the Albino)

That leaves five bench spots.  You need a backup catcher so it'll be Koyie.  Nady gets one.  So that leaves three spots from among this assortment of greatness:

Fontenot, Andy White, Hoffpauir, Chad Tracy, something named Bryan LaHair, something named Brad Snyder, Bobby Scales and Darwin Barney.  Oooh, however will Lou choose?

At this point, worrying about cutting a guy who can play doesn't seem like much of an option.

Oh, and Evans, when you go to make your hilarious Darwin Barney: Origin of the Utility Infielder Photoshop...just don't.

The bench gets a little better if Castro can play (PLEASE GOD), Theriot moves to short, and Baker is in the mix.

The kid is 19 years old and his minor league experience consists of 2 short seasons of rookie ball and 1 season split between Daytona and Tennessee. I think expecting him to contribute this year is as realistic as the camera crew on the Office. They've been there six years already, don't they have enough footage for their documentary!

If we bring castro up to sit on the bench, it will make zero sense. Who knows if Castro will even stay at shortstop, with Hak-Ju Lee playing so well at that position. Keith Law just rated our farm system 6th overall. That ain't bad. Tim Wilken, and I'm assuming Phil Nevin behind the scenes, has actually made our farm system respectable. The white sox farm system, by the way, rated last.

Sounds like you and the gang did a hell of a job on the farm system. Give yourself a pat on the back, BH... If you can
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 27, 2010, 12:11:52 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 27, 2010, 12:05:41 PM
Quote from: BH on January 27, 2010, 12:00:46 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 27, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on January 27, 2010, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Andy on January 27, 2010, 09:00:53 AM
Over on Bruce Miles' blog, our old buddy Sanjay H. (HoopsCubs) was worried that the Cubs have too many good players to choose from when constructing a bench.

Somebody's been on the hooka a little too long.

If they start Lee, Baker, Theriot, E-ramis, Soto, Soriano, Byrd and Kosuke;

Have a rotation of Zambrano, Dempster, Wells, Gorzelanny (ugh) and Silva (ugh, ugh) with Lilly on the DL;

Have a bullpen of Marmol, Grabow, Marshall, Guzman, (and three spots going to some pair of Samardzija, Berg, Caridad, the immortal Jeff Gray, Stevens, Atkins or the Albino)

That leaves five bench spots.  You need a backup catcher so it'll be Koyie.  Nady gets one.  So that leaves three spots from among this assortment of greatness:

Fontenot, Andy White, Hoffpauir, Chad Tracy, something named Bryan LaHair, something named Brad Snyder, Bobby Scales and Darwin Barney.  Oooh, however will Lou choose?

At this point, worrying about cutting a guy who can play doesn't seem like much of an option.

Oh, and Evans, when you go to make your hilarious Darwin Barney: Origin of the Utility Infielder Photoshop...just don't.

The bench gets a little better if Castro can play (PLEASE GOD), Theriot moves to short, and Baker is in the mix.

The kid is 19 years old and his minor league experience consists of 2 short seasons of rookie ball and 1 season split between Daytona and Tennessee. I think expecting him to contribute this year is as realistic as the camera crew on the Office. They've been there six years already, don't they have enough footage for their documentary!

If we bring castro up to sit on the bench, it will make zero sense. Who knows if Castro will even stay at shortstop, with Hak-Ju Lee playing so well at that position. Keith Law just rated our farm system 6th overall. That ain't bad. Tim Wilken, and I'm assuming Phil Nevin behind the scenes, has actually made our farm system respectable. The white sox farm system, by the way, rated last.

Sounds like you and the gang did a hell of a job on the farm system. Give yourself a pat on the back, BH... If you can

Thanks Yeti, but I can't take all the credit here. You'd be a retard for thinking Kerm hasn't been stockpiling young talent to trade for Peavy.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit IV on January 27, 2010, 12:40:37 PM
Quote from: BH on January 27, 2010, 12:11:52 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 27, 2010, 12:05:41 PM
Quote from: BH on January 27, 2010, 12:00:46 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 27, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on January 27, 2010, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Andy on January 27, 2010, 09:00:53 AM
Over on Bruce Miles' blog, our old buddy Sanjay H. (HoopsCubs) was worried that the Cubs have too many good players to choose from when constructing a bench.

Somebody's been on the hooka a little too long.

If they start Lee, Baker, Theriot, E-ramis, Soto, Soriano, Byrd and Kosuke;

Have a rotation of Zambrano, Dempster, Wells, Gorzelanny (ugh) and Silva (ugh, ugh) with Lilly on the DL;

Have a bullpen of Marmol, Grabow, Marshall, Guzman, (and three spots going to some pair of Samardzija, Berg, Caridad, the immortal Jeff Gray, Stevens, Atkins or the Albino)

That leaves five bench spots.  You need a backup catcher so it'll be Koyie.  Nady gets one.  So that leaves three spots from among this assortment of greatness:

Fontenot, Andy White, Hoffpauir, Chad Tracy, something named Bryan LaHair, something named Brad Snyder, Bobby Scales and Darwin Barney.  Oooh, however will Lou choose?

At this point, worrying about cutting a guy who can play doesn't seem like much of an option.

Oh, and Evans, when you go to make your hilarious Darwin Barney: Origin of the Utility Infielder Photoshop...just don't.

The bench gets a little better if Castro can play (PLEASE GOD), Theriot moves to short, and Baker is in the mix.

The kid is 19 years old and his minor league experience consists of 2 short seasons of rookie ball and 1 season split between Daytona and Tennessee. I think expecting him to contribute this year is as realistic as the camera crew on the Office. They've been there six years already, don't they have enough footage for their documentary!

If we bring castro up to sit on the bench, it will make zero sense. Who knows if Castro will even stay at shortstop, with Hak-Ju Lee playing so well at that position. Keith Law just rated our farm system 6th overall. That ain't bad. Tim Wilken, and I'm assuming Phil Nevin behind the scenes, has actually made our farm system respectable. The white sox farm system, by the way, rated last.

Sounds like you and the gang did a hell of a job on the farm system. Give yourself a pat on the back, BH... If you can

Thanks Yeti, but I can't take all the credit here. You'd be a retard for thinking Kerm hasn't been stockpiling young talent to trade for Peavy.

You might say every trade I've made leading up to this point has been for Peavy.  But I can't take all the credit for stockpiling this talent.  Huey is the one who picked all these kids up on his tandem bike and rode them all the way back to Iowa.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 27, 2010, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on January 27, 2010, 12:40:37 PM
Quote from: BH on January 27, 2010, 12:11:52 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 27, 2010, 12:05:41 PM
Quote from: BH on January 27, 2010, 12:00:46 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 27, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on January 27, 2010, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Andy on January 27, 2010, 09:00:53 AM
Over on Bruce Miles' blog, our old buddy Sanjay H. (HoopsCubs) was worried that the Cubs have too many good players to choose from when constructing a bench.

Somebody's been on the hooka a little too long.

If they start Lee, Baker, Theriot, E-ramis, Soto, Soriano, Byrd and Kosuke;

Have a rotation of Zambrano, Dempster, Wells, Gorzelanny (ugh) and Silva (ugh, ugh) with Lilly on the DL;

Have a bullpen of Marmol, Grabow, Marshall, Guzman, (and three spots going to some pair of Samardzija, Berg, Caridad, the immortal Jeff Gray, Stevens, Atkins or the Albino)

That leaves five bench spots.  You need a backup catcher so it'll be Koyie.  Nady gets one.  So that leaves three spots from among this assortment of greatness:

Fontenot, Andy White, Hoffpauir, Chad Tracy, something named Bryan LaHair, something named Brad Snyder, Bobby Scales and Darwin Barney.  Oooh, however will Lou choose?

At this point, worrying about cutting a guy who can play doesn't seem like much of an option.

Oh, and Evans, when you go to make your hilarious Darwin Barney: Origin of the Utility Infielder Photoshop...just don't.

The bench gets a little better if Castro can play (PLEASE GOD), Theriot moves to short, and Baker is in the mix.

The kid is 19 years old and his minor league experience consists of 2 short seasons of rookie ball and 1 season split between Daytona and Tennessee. I think expecting him to contribute this year is as realistic as the camera crew on the Office. They've been there six years already, don't they have enough footage for their documentary!

If we bring castro up to sit on the bench, it will make zero sense. Who knows if Castro will even stay at shortstop, with Hak-Ju Lee playing so well at that position. Keith Law just rated our farm system 6th overall. That ain't bad. Tim Wilken, and I'm assuming Phil Nevin behind the scenes, has actually made our farm system respectable. The white sox farm system, by the way, rated last.

Sounds like you and the gang did a hell of a job on the farm system. Give yourself a pat on the back, BH... If you can

Thanks Yeti, but I can't take all the credit here. You'd be a retard for thinking Kerm hasn't been stockpiling young talent to trade for Peavy.

You might say every trade I've made leading up to this point has been for Peavy.  But I can't take all the credit for stockpiling this talent.  Huey is the one who picked all these kids up on his tandem bike and rode them all the way back to Iowa.

Then we should also thank Oleg. Judging by all the grease on every shirt I've seen him wear, he greases the chains on Huey's bikes.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on January 27, 2010, 02:24:42 PM
Quote from: BH on January 27, 2010, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on January 27, 2010, 12:40:37 PM
Quote from: BH on January 27, 2010, 12:11:52 PM
Quote from: Yeti on January 27, 2010, 12:05:41 PM
Quote from: BH on January 27, 2010, 12:00:46 PM
Quote from: R-V on January 27, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on January 27, 2010, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Andy on January 27, 2010, 09:00:53 AM
Over on Bruce Miles' blog, our old buddy Sanjay H. (HoopsCubs) was worried that the Cubs have too many good players to choose from when constructing a bench.

Somebody's been on the hooka a little too long.

If they start Lee, Baker, Theriot, E-ramis, Soto, Soriano, Byrd and Kosuke;

Have a rotation of Zambrano, Dempster, Wells, Gorzelanny (ugh) and Silva (ugh, ugh) with Lilly on the DL;

Have a bullpen of Marmol, Grabow, Marshall, Guzman, (and three spots going to some pair of Samardzija, Berg, Caridad, the immortal Jeff Gray, Stevens, Atkins or the Albino)

That leaves five bench spots.  You need a backup catcher so it'll be Koyie.  Nady gets one.  So that leaves three spots from among this assortment of greatness:

Fontenot, Andy White, Hoffpauir, Chad Tracy, something named Bryan LaHair, something named Brad Snyder, Bobby Scales and Darwin Barney.  Oooh, however will Lou choose?

At this point, worrying about cutting a guy who can play doesn't seem like much of an option.

Oh, and Evans, when you go to make your hilarious Darwin Barney: Origin of the Utility Infielder Photoshop...just don't.

The bench gets a little better if Castro can play (PLEASE GOD), Theriot moves to short, and Baker is in the mix.

The kid is 19 years old and his minor league experience consists of 2 short seasons of rookie ball and 1 season split between Daytona and Tennessee. I think expecting him to contribute this year is as realistic as the camera crew on the Office. They've been there six years already, don't they have enough footage for their documentary!

If we bring castro up to sit on the bench, it will make zero sense. Who knows if Castro will even stay at shortstop, with Hak-Ju Lee playing so well at that position. Keith Law just rated our farm system 6th overall. That ain't bad. Tim Wilken, and I'm assuming Phil Nevin behind the scenes, has actually made our farm system respectable. The white sox farm system, by the way, rated last.

Sounds like you and the gang did a hell of a job on the farm system. Give yourself a pat on the back, BH... If you can

Thanks Yeti, but I can't take all the credit here. You'd be a retard for thinking Kerm hasn't been stockpiling young talent to trade for Peavy.

You might say every trade I've made leading up to this point has been for Peavy.  But I can't take all the credit for stockpiling this talent.  Huey is the one who picked all these kids up on his tandem bike and rode them all the way back to Iowa.

Then we should also thank Oleg. Judging by all the grease on every shirt I've seen him wear, he greases the chains on Huey's bikes.

Funny, Oleg was always talking about "greasin' the union." Who knew that was what he meant! LOLOLOLOLOL
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Simmer on January 27, 2010, 04:20:53 PM
Quote from: Andy on January 27, 2010, 09:00:53 AM
That leaves five bench spots.  You need a backup catcher so it'll be Koyie.  Nady gets one.  So that leaves three spots from among this assortment of greatness:

Fontenot, Andy White, Hoffpauir, Chad Tracy, something named Bryan LaHair, something named Brad Snyder, Bobby Scales and Darwin Barney.  Oooh, however will Lou choose?

I for one think the bench is in decent shape.  Mostly because of the omission of Jermaine Dye.  Might have been an okay deal if he filled the Daryle Ward role, but we're all better off for not knowing.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 28, 2010, 01:29:46 PM
Que Pen's boner (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2010/01/cubsrumors12710_1.php).

"During an interview on XM Radio, Chad Tracy revealed his former teammate and good friend, Eric Byrnes wants to be a Chicago Cub. Tracy said Byrnes' first choice for a new team is the Chicago Cubs.

Eric Byrnes was designated for assignment on January 15 by the D'Backs to make room on the roster for Adam LaRoche.

The D'Backs signed Eric Byrnes to a three-year, $30 million extension before the start of the 2008 season ... and Arizona is on the hook for the final year of the deal. The D'Backs will pay Eric Byrnes $11 million in 2010.

Chad Tracy was very forthcoming to Joe Castellano and F.P. Santangelo (a former teammate) about Eric Byrnes' desire to play for the Cubs.

Tracy said Byrnes was very jealous of him signing a minor league deal with the Cubs and asked him to put in a good word with the Cubs' front office."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on January 28, 2010, 02:11:47 PM
Quote from: BH on January 28, 2010, 01:29:46 PM
Que Pen's boner (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2010/01/cubsrumors12710_1.php).

"During an interview on XM Radio, Chad Tracy revealed his former teammate and good friend, Eric Byrnes wants to be a Chicago Cub. Tracy said Byrnes' first choice for a new team is the Chicago Cubs.

Eric Byrnes was designated for assignment on January 15 by the D'Backs to make room on the roster for Adam LaRoche.

The D'Backs signed Eric Byrnes to a three-year, $30 million extension before the start of the 2008 season ... and Arizona is on the hook for the final year of the deal. The D'Backs will pay Eric Byrnes $11 million in 2010.

Chad Tracy was very forthcoming to Joe Castellano and F.P. Santangelo (a former teammate) about Eric Byrnes' desire to play for the Cubs.

Tracy said Byrnes was very jealous of him signing a minor league deal with the Cubs and asked him to put in a good word with the Cubs' front office."

Finally we can get some goddamn hustle on the squad.

However, my heart now belongs to Xavier Nady (pending physical).
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on January 28, 2010, 04:09:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 28, 2010, 02:11:47 PM
Quote from: BH on January 28, 2010, 01:29:46 PM
Que Pen's boner (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2010/01/cubsrumors12710_1.php).

"During an interview on XM Radio, Chad Tracy revealed his former teammate and good friend, Eric Byrnes wants to be a Chicago Cub. Tracy said Byrnes' first choice for a new team is the Chicago Cubs.

Eric Byrnes was designated for assignment on January 15 by the D'Backs to make room on the roster for Adam LaRoche.

The D'Backs signed Eric Byrnes to a three-year, $30 million extension before the start of the 2008 season ... and Arizona is on the hook for the final year of the deal. The D'Backs will pay Eric Byrnes $11 million in 2010.

Chad Tracy was very forthcoming to Joe Castellano and F.P. Santangelo (a former teammate) about Eric Byrnes' desire to play for the Cubs.

Tracy said Byrnes was very jealous of him signing a minor league deal with the Cubs and asked him to put in a good word with the Cubs' front office."

Finally we can get some goddamn hustle on the squad.

However, my heart now belongs to Xavier Nady (pending physical).

Well, we all hope your heart is ok so you can continue your Nady love.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on January 28, 2010, 06:06:38 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 28, 2010, 04:09:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 28, 2010, 02:11:47 PM
Quote from: BH on January 28, 2010, 01:29:46 PM
Que Pen's boner (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2010/01/cubsrumors12710_1.php).

"During an interview on XM Radio, Chad Tracy revealed his former teammate and good friend, Eric Byrnes wants to be a Chicago Cub. Tracy said Byrnes' first choice for a new team is the Chicago Cubs.

Eric Byrnes was designated for assignment on January 15 by the D'Backs to make room on the roster for Adam LaRoche.

The D'Backs signed Eric Byrnes to a three-year, $30 million extension before the start of the 2008 season ... and Arizona is on the hook for the final year of the deal. The D'Backs will pay Eric Byrnes $11 million in 2010.

Chad Tracy was very forthcoming to Joe Castellano and F.P. Santangelo (a former teammate) about Eric Byrnes' desire to play for the Cubs.

Tracy said Byrnes was very jealous of him signing a minor league deal with the Cubs and asked him to put in a good word with the Cubs' front office."

Finally we can get some goddamn hustle on the squad.

However, my heart now belongs to Xavier Nady (pending physical).

Well, we all hope your heart is ok so you can continue your Nady love.

If it's not, I bet The Cubs could mend it!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on January 29, 2010, 06:33:54 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 28, 2010, 02:11:47 PM
Quote from: BH on January 28, 2010, 01:29:46 PM
Que Pen's boner (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2010/01/cubsrumors12710_1.php).

"During an interview on XM Radio, Chad Tracy revealed his former teammate and good friend, Eric Byrnes wants to be a Chicago Cub. Tracy said Byrnes' first choice for a new team is the Chicago Cubs.

Eric Byrnes was designated for assignment on January 15 by the D'Backs to make room on the roster for Adam LaRoche.

The D'Backs signed Eric Byrnes to a three-year, $30 million extension before the start of the 2008 season ... and Arizona is on the hook for the final year of the deal. The D'Backs will pay Eric Byrnes $11 million in 2010.

Chad Tracy was very forthcoming to Joe Castellano and F.P. Santangelo (a former teammate) about Eric Byrnes' desire to play for the Cubs.

Tracy said Byrnes was very jealous of him signing a minor league deal with the Cubs and asked him to put in a good word with the Cubs' front office."

Finally we can get some goddamn hustle on the squad.

However, my heart now belongs to Xavier Nady (pending physical).

That's the opposite of (no homo), right?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on January 29, 2010, 03:22:56 PM
rotoworld

"Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com was told by an MLB executive that free agent Jermaine Dye turned down a $3.3 million offer from the Cubs this week.
The Cubs sent that same offer to Xavier Nady and worked out a deal quickly. Dye, 35, hit hit 27 homers in 2009 and posted a .302/.375/.567 batting line over the first half of the season, but he's going to have to accpet the fact that most organizations now value things like defensive metrics. He ranks among the worst outfielders in the league when it comes to such things.
Source: Jerry Crasnick on Twitter
Related: Xavier Nady, Cubs"
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on January 29, 2010, 03:54:20 PM
Quote from: BH on January 29, 2010, 03:22:56 PM
rotoworld

"Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com was told by an MLB executive that free agent Jermaine Dye turned down a $3.3 million offer from the Cubs this week.
The Cubs sent that same offer to Xavier Nady and worked out a deal quickly. Dye, 35, hit hit 27 homers in 2009 and posted a .302/.375/.567 batting line over the first half of the season, but he's going to have to accpet the fact that most organizations now value things like defensive metrics. He ranks among the worst outfielders in the league when it comes to such things.
Source: Jerry Crasnick on Twitter
Related: Xavier Nady, Cubs"

Thank God.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on February 01, 2010, 01:13:35 PM
Some commenter summarizing, so take with a grain of salt:

QuoteBruce Miles was on 670 The Score earlier today talking about the Cubs.

The Big News is that he says the Cubs are seriously annoyed with Ryan Theriot holding out for $3.4 million. So pissed off they may try to trade him or even non-tender him when the season is over. Bruce said he's sure the Cubs will go to arbitration this year ( unless RT backs down of course )

The lesser News is that Xavier Nady pronounces his hame EXavier rather than Zavier. Like many of us, Bruce thinks Lou very well could make Nady his every day right fielder over Fukudome if Nady is healthy and hitting. .

Other stuff:

The Cubs really don't expect Lilly back before May 1.

Kiko Calero: The Cubs have been up and down about him. Right now they're worried about his health but still could pick him up if he's still on the market in two weeks.

Bruce thinks both the Cubs and Cards have Starting Pitching problems and opined that the Brewers have really improved their staff with Wolf and Davis.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on February 01, 2010, 01:43:03 PM
DPD.  Cubs will sign noted idiot/cowboy Kevin Millar. (http://twitter.com/jcrasnick/statuses/8510513991)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: morpheus on February 01, 2010, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: Day Man on February 01, 2010, 01:43:03 PM
DPD.  Cubs will sign noted idiot/cowboy Kevin Millar. (http://twitter.com/jcrasnick/statuses/8510513991)

Oh my God... it's Yellon's wet dream come true.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on February 01, 2010, 01:51:48 PM
Quote from: morpheus on February 01, 2010, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: Day Man on February 01, 2010, 01:43:03 PM
DPD.  Cubs will sign noted idiot/cowboy Kevin Millar. (http://twitter.com/jcrasnick/statuses/8510513991)

Oh my God... it's Yellon's wet dream come true.

It's my dream come not true. In my dream, Kevin Millar gets kicked in the face by a wild bronco repeatedly, but he can never die.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit IV on February 01, 2010, 01:52:44 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 01, 2010, 01:51:48 PM
Quote from: morpheus on February 01, 2010, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: Day Man on February 01, 2010, 01:43:03 PM
DPD.  Cubs will sign noted idiot/cowboy Kevin Millar. (http://twitter.com/jcrasnick/statuses/8510513991)

Oh my God... it's Yellon's wet dream come true.

It's my dream come not true. In my dream, Kevin Millar gets kicked in the face by a wild bronco repeatedly, but he can never die.

In your dream, do his capped teeth keep getting kicked out and growing back in?

I hate this motherfucker.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: morpheus on February 01, 2010, 01:53:01 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 01, 2010, 01:51:48 PM
Quote from: morpheus on February 01, 2010, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: Day Man on February 01, 2010, 01:43:03 PM
DPD.  Cubs will sign noted idiot/cowboy Kevin Millar. (http://twitter.com/jcrasnick/statuses/8510513991)

Oh my God... it's Yellon's wet dream come true.

It's my dream come not true. In my dream, Kevin Millar gets kicked in the face by a wild bronco repeatedly, but he can never die.

Is he forced to yell "COWBOY UP!" after each blow?  Because that would be awesome.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on February 01, 2010, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: Day Man on February 01, 2010, 01:43:03 PM
DPD.  Cubs will sign noted idiot/cowboy Kevin Millar. (http://twitter.com/jcrasnick/statuses/8510513991)

why
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Weebs on February 01, 2010, 02:04:02 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 01, 2010, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: Day Man on February 01, 2010, 01:43:03 PM
DPD.  Cubs will sign noted idiot/cowboy Kevin Millar. (http://twitter.com/jcrasnick/statuses/8510513991)

why

Because Jim Hendry's switched from signing shitty second basemen to signing shitty first basemen.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Pre on February 01, 2010, 02:04:24 PM
Quote from: Day Man on February 01, 2010, 01:13:35 PM
The Big News is that he says the Cubs are seriously annoyed with Ryan Theriot holding out for $3.4 million. So pissed off they may try to trade him or even non-tender him when the season is over. Bruce said he's sure the Cubs will go to arbitration this year ( unless RT backs down of course )

That's just fucking dumb.  A couple hundred grand means nothing.  Sounds like typical Cubs management strategy.
Most fans like Theriot (he's white and dumb like them), management thinks they might trade/release him since
they hope to have a replacement so they start the stupid character assassination.  First they'll act like he's greedy,
then there will be some leak about him supposedly not showing up in as good of shape or some shit, then there
will be a leak about him having some kind of bad attitude.

It's all just because the Cubs spend so much type hyping mediocre to average players to the fans that they have
to find some way to try and get rid of them without admitting how they were lying through their teeth.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on February 01, 2010, 02:05:38 PM
I'm not a fan. But it's just a minor league deal. If he's a done as I think he is, this won't amount to anything more than several annoying interviews from the dugout at Ho Ho Kam with Millah and Dempster trading retarded jokes about stuff. I pity Len and Borb. And Lou.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on February 01, 2010, 02:11:01 PM
Quote from: Pre on February 01, 2010, 02:04:24 PM
Quote from: Day Man on February 01, 2010, 01:13:35 PM
The Big News is that he says the Cubs are seriously annoyed with Ryan Theriot holding out for $3.4 million. So pissed off they may try to trade him or even non-tender him when the season is over. Bruce said he's sure the Cubs will go to arbitration this year ( unless RT backs down of course )

That's just fucking dumb.  A couple hundred grand means nothing.  Sounds like typical Cubs management strategy.
Most fans like Theriot (he's white and dumb like them), management thinks they might trade/release him since
they hope to have a replacement so they start the stupid character assassination.  First they'll act like he's greedy,
then there will be some leak about him supposedly not showing up in as good of shape or some shit, then there
will be a leak about him having some kind of bad attitude.

It's all just because the Cubs spend so much type hyping mediocre to average players to the fans that they have
to find some way to try and get rid of them without admitting how they were lying through their teeth.

That sounds possible given their track record of mishandling guys they don't want/need. And if you're right, it couldn't be more fucking dumb. Because, if Castro can play well enough to supplant Theriot at short and Baker makes him expendable altogether (And if "if" were a spliff, we'd all be Oleg) they wouldn't need to bash Theriot to justify his departure. Why would they even care what the fans thought about it if it made the team better?

In my heart I truly believe that they don't really give a shit what the fans think about Theriot or Castro or anyone else. But still, Pre could be correct. It's sort of possible.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Simmer on February 01, 2010, 06:37:16 PM
The first time I ever heard someone use the term 'assbag', it was in regards to Kevin Millar.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on February 01, 2010, 07:13:05 PM
Quote from: Simmer on February 01, 2010, 06:37:16 PM
The first time I ever heard someone use the term 'assbag', it was in regards to Kevin Millar.

And a nickname is born.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Capt. Over on February 04, 2010, 12:32:13 PM
It's official:

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100204&content_id=8020352&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

Hoff-power and Chad Tracy are both younger, better, and play more positions.  My only guess is the organization feels they are lacking in "outspoken and obnoxious". Oh well, chances are he'll be cut in spring training and never heard from again.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on February 04, 2010, 05:45:22 PM
Quote from: Capt. Over on February 04, 2010, 12:32:13 PM
It's official:

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100204&content_id=8020352&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

Hoff-power and Chad Tracy are both younger, better, and play more positions.  My only guess is the organization feels they are lacking in "outspoken and obnoxious". Oh well, chances are he'll be cut in spring training and never heard from again.

Fucking scab.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on February 04, 2010, 08:58:12 PM
Quote from: Oleg on February 04, 2010, 05:45:22 PM
Quote from: Capt. Over on February 04, 2010, 12:32:13 PM
It's official:

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100204&content_id=8020352&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

Hoff-power and Chad Tracy are both younger, better, and play more positions.  My only guess is the organization feels they are lacking in "outspoken and obnoxious". Oh well, chances are he'll be cut in spring training and never heard from again.

Fucking scab.

I liked Damian Miller better, as far as scabs go.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on February 04, 2010, 11:11:57 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 04, 2010, 08:58:12 PM
Quote from: Oleg on February 04, 2010, 05:45:22 PM
Quote from: Capt. Over on February 04, 2010, 12:32:13 PM
It's official:

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100204&content_id=8020352&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

Hoff-power and Chad Tracy are both younger, better, and play more positions.  My only guess is the organization feels they are lacking in "outspoken and obnoxious". Oh well, chances are he'll be cut in spring training and never heard from again.

Fucking scab.

I liked Damian Miller better, as far as scabs go.

Me?  I was more of a Rick Reed guy.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on February 05, 2010, 09:20:15 AM
I know it's not free agent news, but maybe it's SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11 news.

QuoteCarlos Zambrano has dropped a good amount of weight this offseason.

"We did it quietly," general manager Jim Hendry said Thursday. "I don't think he wanted any publicity for that. He's going about his business well. I think you're going to get a very well-focused guy who's determined to rectify last year's season." Big Z is on a mission to atone for his nine-win 2009 season, in which he posted a 3.77 ERA and 1.38 WHIP.

Just an aside--they didn't want him getting publicity for losing weight, so they announce publicly that he lost weight and that they didn't want publicity?  Whatever.  Go Big Z.  Both he and Soto have been linked to weight loss this offseason.  I hope it pays off.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on February 05, 2010, 09:22:06 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on February 05, 2010, 09:20:15 AM
I know it's not free agent news, but maybe it's SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11 news.

QuoteCarlos Zambrano has dropped a good amount of weight this offseason.

"We did it quietly," general manager Jim Hendry said Thursday. "I don't think he wanted any publicity for that. He's going about his business well. I think you're going to get a very well-focused guy who's determined to rectify last year's season." Big Z is on a mission to atone for his nine-win 2009 season, in which he posted a 3.77 ERA and 1.38 WHIP.

Just an aside--they didn't want him getting publicity for losing weight, so they announce publicly that he lost weight and that they didn't want publicity?  Whatever.  Go Big Z.  Both he and Soto have been linked to weight loss this offseason.  I hope it pays off.

SNEAK ATTACK!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on February 05, 2010, 10:05:24 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on February 05, 2010, 09:20:15 AM
Big Z is on a mission to atone for his nine-win 2009 season, in which he posted a 3.77 ERA and 1.38 WHIP.
[/quote]

Big Z shouldn't have to "atone" for anything last year. Paul Sullivan can go to hell.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 05, 2010, 10:15:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 05, 2010, 10:05:24 AM
Paul Sullivan can go to hell.

You watch your mouth, sir.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on February 05, 2010, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 05, 2010, 10:15:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 05, 2010, 10:05:24 AM
Paul Sullivan can go to hell.

You watch your mouth, sir.

BLOG CIVIL WAR (It'll be far from civil)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on February 05, 2010, 10:59:45 AM
If Eli defects to the statfags at ACB, I'm blaming Kermit.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Kermit IV on February 05, 2010, 11:42:41 AM
Quote from: MAD on February 05, 2010, 10:59:45 AM
If Eli defects to the statfags at ACB, I'm blaming Kermit.

Why not?  I'm getting blamed for everything else over there.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on February 05, 2010, 11:48:38 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on February 05, 2010, 11:42:41 AM
Quote from: MAD on February 05, 2010, 10:59:45 AM
If Eli defects to the statfags at ACB, I'm blaming Kermit.

Why not?  I'm getting blamed for everything else over there.

Don't say anything. They'll come back here and post links as proof.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 05, 2010, 12:17:49 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 05, 2010, 11:48:38 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on February 05, 2010, 11:42:41 AM
Quote from: MAD on February 05, 2010, 10:59:45 AM
If Eli defects to the statfags at ACB, I'm blaming Kermit.

Why not?  I'm getting blamed for everything else over there.

Don't say anything. They'll come back here and post links as proof.

Now post your links, Romeo, and let's play a game of "Who can back up their comments with evidence?" I'm not sure how familiar you are with this place, but 90.4% of the time that's all we care about.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on February 05, 2010, 12:23:54 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 05, 2010, 11:48:38 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on February 05, 2010, 11:42:41 AM
Quote from: MAD on February 05, 2010, 10:59:45 AM
If Eli defects to the statfags at ACB, I'm blaming Kermit.

Why not?  I'm getting blamed for everything else over there.

Don't say anything. They'll come back here and post links as proof.

Julie taking the time and effort to make it easy for us to revisit some of our funniest stuff was yeoman work.

Thanks, sweetie. Next time I'm in a slump...
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 05, 2010, 12:27:51 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 05, 2010, 12:23:54 PM
Julie taking the time and effort to make it easy for us to revisit some of our funniest stuff was yeoman work.

That's the lowest of bars with you and TDubbs.

Congrats.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on February 05, 2010, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 05, 2010, 12:27:51 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 05, 2010, 12:23:54 PM
Julie taking the time and effort to make it easy for us to revisit some of our funniest stuff was yeoman work.

That's the lowest of bars with you and TDubbs.

Congrats.

"our" = "everyone who isn't Wheezer, ChuckD or JD".
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on February 05, 2010, 11:35:13 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 05, 2010, 12:23:54 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 05, 2010, 11:48:38 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on February 05, 2010, 11:42:41 AM
Quote from: MAD on February 05, 2010, 10:59:45 AM
If Eli defects to the statfags at ACB, I'm blaming Kermit.

Why not?  I'm getting blamed for everything else over there.

Don't say anything. They'll come back here and post links as proof.

Julie taking the time and effort to make it easy for us to revisit some of our funniest stuff was yeoman work.

Thanks, sweetie. Next time I'm in a slump...

What'd I miss?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on February 06, 2010, 11:02:35 AM
Kevin Millar's got it going on (http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/espn_chicago_kevin_millar_chemistry_not_overrated/#When:05:21:00Z)

Quote"Everybody is looking at stats ... I get it," Millar, who signed a minor-league contract with the Cubs, said Friday on "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN 1000. "But my point is when you're making a team and trying to bring in a bunch of different personalities I think everybody's got a certain amount of intangibles that they bring.

    "Obviously, I'll bring some leadership qualities. I've won a World Series. Having a chance to play with guys like Ryan Dempster and Derrek Lee, we came up together in Florida. It's trying to make a family atmosphere and trying to get everybody to pull on the same rope and trying to get everybody to believe that we can do this."

    ..."[Cubs general manager] Jim [Hendry] knows what I can bring to a clubhouse, what I can bring to a team other than being a right-handed guy off the bench or whatever he needs me to be," said Millar, 38, who spent last season with the Toronto Blue Jays, batting .223 with seven home runs and 29 runs batted in. "I think that's the biggest problem that the Cubs have had to be honest with you. People ask me all the time, 'Is team chemistry overrated?' Well, you tell me. You're with 25 guys more than your family from basically end of February to October. That's not overrated.

    "When you go out to eat you want to have 12, 15 guys there. When you barbecue you want everyone included. ....You try to bring a team and a group together. When you get everyone pulling on the same rope, it's exciting. When you win it's a lot of fun."

    ..."We're so in tune with stats and numbers and we forget that teams win championships, not players," Millar said. "My job is to go out there and only do what I can control and that's have a good spring training and hopefully have a good shot at making this club."
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: thehawk on February 06, 2010, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 06, 2010, 11:02:35 AM
Kevin Millar's got it going on (http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/espn_chicago_kevin_millar_chemistry_not_overrated/#When:05:21:00Z)

Quote"Everybody is looking at stats ... I get it," Millar, who signed a minor-league contract with the Cubs, said Friday on "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN 1000. "But my point is when you're making a team and trying to bring in a bunch of different personalities I think everybody's got a certain amount of intangibles that they bring.

    "Obviously, I'll bring some leadership qualities. I've won a World Series. Having a chance to play with guys like Ryan Dempster and Derrek Lee, we came up together in Florida. It's trying to make a family atmosphere and trying to get everybody to pull on the same rope and trying to get everybody to believe that we can do this."

    ..."[Cubs general manager] Jim [Hendry] knows what I can bring to a clubhouse, what I can bring to a team other than being a right-handed guy off the bench or whatever he needs me to be," said Millar, 38, who spent last season with the Toronto Blue Jays, batting .223 with seven home runs and 29 runs batted in. "I think that's the biggest problem that the Cubs have had to be honest with you. People ask me all the time, 'Is team chemistry overrated?' Well, you tell me. You're with 25 guys more than your family from basically end of February to October. That's not overrated.

    "When you go out to eat you want to have 12, 15 guys there. When you barbecue you want everyone included. ....You try to bring a team and a group together. When you get everyone pulling on the same rope, it's exciting. When you win it's a lot of fun."

    ..."We're so in tune with stats and numbers and we forget that teams win championships, not players," Millar said. "My job is to go out there and only do what I can control and that's have a good spring training and hopefully have a good shot at making this club."

Great, so this year 'chemistry' is Hendry's 'left-handedness'
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on February 06, 2010, 12:08:31 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 06, 2010, 11:02:35 AM
Kevin Millar's got it going on (http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/espn_chicago_kevin_millar_chemistry_not_overrated/#When:05:21:00Z)

Quote"Everybody is looking at stats ... I get it," Millar, who signed a minor-league contract with the Cubs, said Friday on "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN 1000. "But my point is when you're making a team and trying to bring in a bunch of different personalities I think everybody's got a certain amount of intangibles that they bring.

   "Obviously, I'll bring some leadership qualities. I've won a World Series. Having a chance to play with guys like Ryan Dempster and Derrek Lee, we came up together in Florida. It's trying to make a family atmosphere and trying to get everybody to pull on the same rope and trying to get everybody to believe that we can do this."

   ..."[Cubs general manager] Jim [Hendry] knows what I can bring to a clubhouse, what I can bring to a team other than being a right-handed guy off the bench or whatever he needs me to be," said Millar, 38, who spent last season with the Toronto Blue Jays, batting .223 with seven home runs and 29 runs batted in. "I think that's the biggest problem that the Cubs have had to be honest with you. People ask me all the time, 'Is team chemistry overrated?' Well, you tell me. You're with 25 guys more than your family from basically end of February to October. That's not overrated.

   "When you go out to eat you want to have 12, 15 guys there. When you barbecue you want everyone included. ....You try to bring a team and a group together. When you get everyone pulling on the same rope, it's exciting. When you win it's a lot of fun."

   ..."We're so in tune with stats and numbers and we forget that teams win championships, not players," Millar said. "My job is to go out there and only do what I can control and that's have a good spring training and hopefully have a good shot at making this club."

This guy's funnier than Will Ferrell. I mean, this is a bit right?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on February 06, 2010, 05:24:48 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on February 06, 2010, 12:08:31 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 06, 2010, 11:02:35 AM
Kevin Millar's got it going on (http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/espn_chicago_kevin_millar_chemistry_not_overrated/#When:05:21:00Z)

Quote"Everybody is looking at stats ... I get it," Millar, who signed a minor-league contract with the Cubs, said Friday on "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN 1000. "But my point is when you're making a team and trying to bring in a bunch of different personalities I think everybody's got a certain amount of intangibles that they bring.

   "Obviously, I'll bring some leadership qualities. I've won a World Series. Having a chance to play with guys like Ryan Dempster and Derrek Lee, we came up together in Florida. It's trying to make a family atmosphere and trying to get everybody to pull on the same rope and trying to get everybody to believe that we can do this."

   ..."[Cubs general manager] Jim [Hendry] knows what I can bring to a clubhouse, what I can bring to a team other than being a right-handed guy off the bench or whatever he needs me to be," said Millar, 38, who spent last season with the Toronto Blue Jays, batting .223 with seven home runs and 29 runs batted in. "I think that's the biggest problem that the Cubs have had to be honest with you. People ask me all the time, 'Is team chemistry overrated?' Well, you tell me. You're with 25 guys more than your family from basically end of February to October. That's not overrated.

   "When you go out to eat you want to have 12, 15 guys there. When you barbecue you want everyone included. ....You try to bring a team and a group together. When you get everyone pulling on the same rope, it's exciting. When you win it's a lot of fun."

   ..."We're so in tune with stats and numbers and we forget that teams win championships, not players," Millar said. "My job is to go out there and only do what I can control and that's have a good spring training and hopefully have a good shot at making this club."

This guy's funnier than Will Ferrell. I mean, this is a bit right?

I don't know.  None of us have ever been in a major league clubhouse before.  Millar actually has, so he probably knows better than we do.  I'm inclined to believe him.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on February 06, 2010, 05:36:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 06, 2010, 05:24:48 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on February 06, 2010, 12:08:31 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 06, 2010, 11:02:35 AM
Kevin Millar's got it going on (http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/espn_chicago_kevin_millar_chemistry_not_overrated/#When:05:21:00Z)

Quote"Everybody is looking at stats ... I get it," Millar, who signed a minor-league contract with the Cubs, said Friday on "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN 1000. "But my point is when you're making a team and trying to bring in a bunch of different personalities I think everybody's got a certain amount of intangibles that they bring.

   "Obviously, I'll bring some leadership qualities. I've won a World Series. Having a chance to play with guys like Ryan Dempster and Derrek Lee, we came up together in Florida. It's trying to make a family atmosphere and trying to get everybody to pull on the same rope and trying to get everybody to believe that we can do this."

   ..."[Cubs general manager] Jim [Hendry] knows what I can bring to a clubhouse, what I can bring to a team other than being a right-handed guy off the bench or whatever he needs me to be," said Millar, 38, who spent last season with the Toronto Blue Jays, batting .223 with seven home runs and 29 runs batted in. "I think that's the biggest problem that the Cubs have had to be honest with you. People ask me all the time, 'Is team chemistry overrated?' Well, you tell me. You're with 25 guys more than your family from basically end of February to October. That's not overrated.

   "When you go out to eat you want to have 12, 15 guys there. When you barbecue you want everyone included. ....You try to bring a team and a group together. When you get everyone pulling on the same rope, it's exciting. When you win it's a lot of fun."

   ..."We're so in tune with stats and numbers and we forget that teams win championships, not players," Millar said. "My job is to go out there and only do what I can control and that's have a good spring training and hopefully have a good shot at making this club."

This guy's funnier than Will Ferrell. I mean, this is a bit right?

I don't know.  None of us have ever been in a major league clubhouse before.  Millar actually has, so he probably knows better than we do.  I'm inclined to believe him.

The highlighted quotes blew my mind. People other than myself thought Kenny Powers and Jackie Moonbeam were hilarious. But this, man, you can't write better shit than this. What does he suppose he can be other than a righthanded bat off the bench? A lefthanded bat starting in center? Coulda saved Jimbo a lot of bother with the Marlon Byrd deal. How about a power arm out of the pen? Could he be that? No? Righthanded guy off the bench? Yay?

And how many dudes do you like to have around when you go out to eat? I usually like just the one. Me. But obviously, I've got my priorities completely fucked. 12, 15? Why not 25? Why not 50? Why don't we just join the military? Then we won't have a choice. Every meal, 50 dudes. Bam.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Tony on February 06, 2010, 08:29:58 PM
Millar is the exact opposite of Milton, but equally annoying.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on February 07, 2010, 08:03:41 AM
I hope he steps out onto Maricopa Highway and gets run over and killed.

Either that, or get cut.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on February 07, 2010, 04:25:47 PM
Of course the Douchebag Faction of the fanbase will love this guy.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on February 07, 2010, 08:59:49 PM
Quote"When you go out to eat you want to have 12, 15 guys there.

Except for the other 13 or 10 that you really don't want there.

Kevin Millar has reached the stage where all he can bring is veteran presence, because he can't really play.  Teams have a word for that.  They call it "coach."

No thanks, Kev.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Wheezer on February 08, 2010, 02:26:18 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 05, 2010, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 05, 2010, 12:27:51 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 05, 2010, 12:23:54 PM
Julie taking the time and effort to make it easy for us to revisit some of our funniest stuff was yeoman work.

That's the lowest of bars with you and TDubbs.

Congrats.

"our" = "everyone who isn't Wheezer, ChuckD or JD".

I distinctly recall having a library book as a child that showed the elephant acupuncture points with a skull and crossbones over the perianal locus. I would have tried to work this in with the "Rich Harden's ass" angle had I noticed the dispute earlier.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on February 08, 2010, 11:31:41 AM
All he does is hit dingers.

"Roch Kubatko of MASNSports.com suggests that the Orioles could trade infielder Ty Wigginton before Opening Day.
Wigginton won't get many starts in Baltimore after the signings of Miguel Tejada and Garrett Atkins, but he could appeal to any number of teams in need of a right-handed bat. Wigginton, 32, batted .273/.314/.400 with 11 home runs and 41 RBI in 410 at-bats with the Orioles last season and has popped left-handers to an 840 OPS during his career. He is on tap to earn $3.5 million this season.
Source: MASNSports.com "

www.rotoworld.com
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on February 08, 2010, 01:42:46 PM
I went to ESPN's team site for the Chicago Cubs and checked out the Cubs outfield depth chart.  Apparently Randy Winn is the Cubs' number two center fielder.  The internet is wonderful.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: morpheus on February 08, 2010, 02:05:52 PM
Stew inspired me to visit the Cubs' own depth chart page http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/team/depth_chart/index.jsp?c_id=chc .

Not exactly a lineup to be feared.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on February 08, 2010, 02:36:54 PM
Quote from: morpheus on February 08, 2010, 02:05:52 PM
Stew inspired me to visit the Cubs' own depth chart page http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/team/depth_chart/index.jsp?c_id=chc .

Not exactly a lineup to be feared.

Well, by the fans, certainly.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on February 08, 2010, 05:07:00 PM
That bullpen could be awesome.

In AA Tennessee.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on February 08, 2010, 05:12:22 PM
""We just needed to get a couple of pieces, and we really think Byrd and Nady are going to help us in a lot of areas, especially offensively. And I'm optimistic some of the people that didn't hit last year will. Rudy is going to help us. … I think we're quite a bit better.""

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-100206-chicago-cubs-jim-hendry,0,3343777.story
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on February 08, 2010, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: BH on February 08, 2010, 05:12:22 PM
""We just needed to get a couple of pieces, and we really think Byrd and Nady are going to help us in a lot of areas, especially offensively. And I'm optimistic some of the people that didn't hit last year will. Rudy is going to help us. ... I think we're quite a bit better.""

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-100206-chicago-cubs-jim-hendry,0,3343777.story

It seems to me that people think because Milt isn't around to upset people's delicate sensibilities that the Cubs are suddenly going to be great. It saddens me. But if 20 guys are going to dinner every night, well, that's just as good as a 100 wins and a World Series.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on February 08, 2010, 06:43:28 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 08, 2010, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: BH on February 08, 2010, 05:12:22 PM
""We just needed to get a couple of pieces, and we really think Byrd and Nady are going to help us in a lot of areas, especially offensively. And I'm optimistic some of the people that didn't hit last year will. Rudy is going to help us. ... I think we're quite a bit better.""

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-100206-chicago-cubs-jim-hendry,0,3343777.story

It seems to me that people think because Milt isn't around to upset people's delicate sensibilities that the Cubs are suddenly going to be great. It saddens me. But if 20 guys are going to dinner every night, well, that's just as good as a 100 wins and a World Series.

Obviously.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on February 08, 2010, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 08, 2010, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: BH on February 08, 2010, 05:12:22 PM
""We just needed to get a couple of pieces, and we really think Byrd and Nady are going to help us in a lot of areas, especially offensively. And I'm optimistic some of the people that didn't hit last year will. Rudy is going to help us. ... I think we're quite a bit better.""

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-100206-chicago-cubs-jim-hendry,0,3343777.story

It seems to me that people think because Milt isn't around to upset people's delicate sensibilities that the Cubs are suddenly going to be great. It saddens me. But if 20 guys are going to dinner every night, well, that's just as good as a 100 wins and a World Series.

No offense, but does anyone that's not close to the organization actually think that? I mean, I think they'll be ok, 83-87 win range, but I don't think they'll be horrible. I've been trying to convince myself that the Cardinals are more in the 85-90 win range, and with a little luck, the Cubs could squeak their way in the playoffs, and then whatever, but that's the TJ Brown optimist side of myself.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Armchair_QB on February 08, 2010, 09:41:34 PM
the one thing the Cubs have going for them is that the winner of the division won't be determined by which team plays the best but by which team sucks the least.

So there's that.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on February 08, 2010, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 08, 2010, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 08, 2010, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: BH on February 08, 2010, 05:12:22 PM
""We just needed to get a couple of pieces, and we really think Byrd and Nady are going to help us in a lot of areas, especially offensively. And I'm optimistic some of the people that didn't hit last year will. Rudy is going to help us. ... I think we're quite a bit better.""

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-100206-chicago-cubs-jim-hendry,0,3343777.story

It seems to me that people think because Milt isn't around to upset people's delicate sensibilities that the Cubs are suddenly going to be great. It saddens me. But if 20 guys are going to dinner every night, well, that's just as good as a 100 wins and a World Series.

No offense, but does anyone that's not close to the organization actually think that? I mean, I think they'll be ok, 83-87 win range, but I don't think they'll be horrible. I've been trying to convince myself that the Cardinals are more in the 85-90 win range, and with a little luck, the Cubs could squeak their way in the playoffs, and then whatever, but that's the TJ Brown optimist side of myself.

Well now you've offended me. Good day, sir.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Richard Chuggar on February 09, 2010, 05:08:22 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 08, 2010, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 08, 2010, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: BH on February 08, 2010, 05:12:22 PM
""We just needed to get a couple of pieces, and we really think Byrd and Nady are going to help us in a lot of areas, especially offensively. And I'm optimistic some of the people that didn't hit last year will. Rudy is going to help us. ... I think we're quite a bit better.""

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-100206-chicago-cubs-jim-hendry,0,3343777.story

It seems to me that people think because Milt isn't around to upset people's delicate sensibilities that the Cubs are suddenly going to be great. It saddens me. But if 20 guys are going to dinner every night, well, that's just as good as a 100 wins and a World Series.

No offense, but does anyone that's not close to the organization actually think that? I mean, I think they'll be ok, 83-87 win range, but I don't think they'll be horrible. I've been trying to convince myself that the Cardinals are more in the 85-90 win range, and with a little luck, the Cubs could squeak their way in the playoffs, and then whatever, but that's the TJ Brown optimist side of myself.

You also think that Milton is good and Marlon is a complete turd wrapped in turd wrapping paper.  So there's that.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on February 09, 2010, 07:13:52 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 08, 2010, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 08, 2010, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 08, 2010, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: BH on February 08, 2010, 05:12:22 PM
""We just needed to get a couple of pieces, and we really think Byrd and Nady are going to help us in a lot of areas, especially offensively. And I'm optimistic some of the people that didn't hit last year will. Rudy is going to help us. ... I think we're quite a bit better.""

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-100206-chicago-cubs-jim-hendry,0,3343777.story

It seems to me that people think because Milt isn't around to upset people's delicate sensibilities that the Cubs are suddenly going to be great. It saddens me. But if 20 guys are going to dinner every night, well, that's just as good as a 100 wins and a World Series.

No offense, but does anyone that's not close to the organization actually think that? I mean, I think they'll be ok, 83-87 win range, but I don't think they'll be horrible. I've been trying to convince myself that the Cardinals are more in the 85-90 win range, and with a little luck, the Cubs could squeak their way in the playoffs, and then whatever, but that's the TJ Brown optimist side of myself.

Well now you've offended me. Good day, sir.

Allow me to apologize
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on February 09, 2010, 07:30:48 AM
Fuck the Cubs.  Maybe the Saints can play baseball in Chicago.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on February 09, 2010, 07:54:46 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on February 09, 2010, 07:30:48 AM
Fuck the Cubs.  Maybe the Saints can play baseball in Chicago.

Put Reggie Bush in center, make Drew Brees the ace and TRADE ZAMBRANO!!!!!!  That hothead!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: ChuckD on February 09, 2010, 08:17:17 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on February 09, 2010, 07:30:48 AM
Fuck the Cubs.  Maybe the Saints can play baseball in Chicago.

How many dudes do you think they could get to go to dinner with one another?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Brownie on February 09, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 08, 2010, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 08, 2010, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: BH on February 08, 2010, 05:12:22 PM
""We just needed to get a couple of pieces, and we really think Byrd and Nady are going to help us in a lot of areas, especially offensively. And I'm optimistic some of the people that didn't hit last year will. Rudy is going to help us. ... I think we're quite a bit better.""

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-100206-chicago-cubs-jim-hendry,0,3343777.story

It seems to me that people think because Milt isn't around to upset people's delicate sensibilities that the Cubs are suddenly going to be great. It saddens me. But if 20 guys are going to dinner every night, well, that's just as good as a 100 wins and a World Series.

No offense, but does anyone that's not close to the organization actually think that? I mean, I think they'll be ok, 83-87 win range, but I don't think they'll be horrible. I've been trying to convince myself that the Cardinals are more in the 85-90 win range, and with a little luck, the Cubs could squeak their way in the playoffs, and then whatever, but that's the TJ Brown optimist side of myself.

I'm an optimist, but not even I am that optimistic.

The Cubs are probably more of a 78-83 win team right now; however, a few things could improve my outlook:

a) Ted Lilly returns to the mound and to form in May.
b) Soriano is healthy and goes on at least three of his patented two-three week tears.
c) Fukudome doesn't suck.
d) The middle bullpen isn't vital as Dempster, Z, Lilly and Wells average more than six innings per start and are very effective.
e) Geo hits like it's 2008.

If any of these two things happen, the Cubs will compete for the division. I'd say you could have thrown an option "f" in there: "Bradley progresses to the mean," but he's gone, so let's go with a new option "f:" "Larry Rothschild makes Carlos Silva into a legitimate No. 2 starter." That's as likely as me getting killed by a stampede of elephants this afternoon, however.

I do think Slak's right that a lot of people do think that since Bradley's gone and that a "great guy" and "man's man" like Kevin Millar will be in the clubhouse "stirring the drink,"  woo-hoo, we've got a champion. I know far too many Cub fans that think that.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 09, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 09, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
I do think Slak's right that a lot of people do think that since Bradley's gone and that a "great guy" and "man's man" like Kevin Millar will be in the clubhouse "stirring the drink,"  woo-hoo, we've got a champion. I know far too many Cub fans that think that.

I seriously don't know that I've talked to a single Cubs fan outside of you dolts who agreed with me that Bradley for Silva was anything but an awesome move.

I'm talking friends and family here, too. It's downright depressing.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on February 09, 2010, 09:59:44 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 09, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 08, 2010, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 08, 2010, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: BH on February 08, 2010, 05:12:22 PM
""We just needed to get a couple of pieces, and we really think Byrd and Nady are going to help us in a lot of areas, especially offensively. And I'm optimistic some of the people that didn't hit last year will. Rudy is going to help us. ... I think we're quite a bit better.""

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-100206-chicago-cubs-jim-hendry,0,3343777.story

It seems to me that people think because Milt isn't around to upset people's delicate sensibilities that the Cubs are suddenly going to be great. It saddens me. But if 20 guys are going to dinner every night, well, that's just as good as a 100 wins and a World Series.

No offense, but does anyone that's not close to the organization actually think that? I mean, I think they'll be ok, 83-87 win range, but I don't think they'll be horrible. I've been trying to convince myself that the Cardinals are more in the 85-90 win range, and with a little luck, the Cubs could squeak their way in the playoffs, and then whatever, but that's the TJ Brown optimist side of myself.

I'm an optimist, but not even I am that optimistic.

The Cubs are probably more of a 78-83 win team right now; however, a few things could improve my outlook:

a) Ted Lilly returns to the mound and to form in May.
b) Soriano is healthy and goes on at least three of his patented two-three week tears.
c) Fukudome doesn't suck.
d) The middle bullpen isn't vital as Dempster, Z, Lilly and Wells average more than six innings per start and are very effective.
e) Geo hits like it's 2008.

If any of these two things happen, the Cubs will compete for the division. I'd say you could have thrown an option "f" in there: "Bradley progresses to the mean," but he's gone, so let's go with a new option "f:" "Larry Rothschild makes Carlos Silva into a legitimate No. 2 starter." That's as likely as me getting killed by a stampede of elephants this afternoon, however.

I do think Slak's right that a lot of people do think that since Bradley's gone and that a "great guy" and "man's man" like Kevin Millar will be in the clubhouse "stirring the drink,"  woo-hoo, we've got a champion. I know far too many Cub fans that think that.

Yes, a lot of Cub fans will say that exact same thing - chiefly people that don't post here. And not even because of Millar but purely because of the subtraction of Bradley. It's unfortunate but I'll gladly listen to the cries of "It was all Milton's fault!" if the Cubs manage to rule the NL this year.

Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 09, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 09, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
I do think Slak's right that a lot of people do think that since Bradley's gone and that a "great guy" and "man's man" like Kevin Millar will be in the clubhouse "stirring the drink,"  woo-hoo, we've got a champion. I know far too many Cub fans that think that.

I seriously don't know that I've talked to a single Cubs fan outside of you dolts who agreed with me that Bradley for Silva was anything but an awesome move.

I'm talking friends and family here, too. It's downright depressing.

Yep - I've seen it too. My wife put some summer pictures up on facebook today and we happened to be in right field. Our guy Milt was standing there looking insane and trying to destroy team chemistry with his mind bullets. You can see it in the photo, you really can.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on February 09, 2010, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 09, 2010, 09:59:44 AM
My wife put some summer pictures up on facebook today

Not relevant to the thread at all, but your wife takes awesome photos.

Just wanted to offer some sincerity to the collective.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on February 09, 2010, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 09, 2010, 09:59:44 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 09, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 08, 2010, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 08, 2010, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: BH on February 08, 2010, 05:12:22 PM
""We just needed to get a couple of pieces, and we really think Byrd and Nady are going to help us in a lot of areas, especially offensively. And I'm optimistic some of the people that didn't hit last year will. Rudy is going to help us. ... I think we're quite a bit better.""

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-100206-chicago-cubs-jim-hendry,0,3343777.story

It seems to me that people think because Milt isn't around to upset people's delicate sensibilities that the Cubs are suddenly going to be great. It saddens me. But if 20 guys are going to dinner every night, well, that's just as good as a 100 wins and a World Series.

No offense, but does anyone that's not close to the organization actually think that? I mean, I think they'll be ok, 83-87 win range, but I don't think they'll be horrible. I've been trying to convince myself that the Cardinals are more in the 85-90 win range, and with a little luck, the Cubs could squeak their way in the playoffs, and then whatever, but that's the TJ Brown optimist side of myself.

I'm an optimist, but not even I am that optimistic.

The Cubs are probably more of a 78-83 win team right now; however, a few things could improve my outlook:

a) Ted Lilly returns to the mound and to form in May.
b) Soriano is healthy and goes on at least three of his patented two-three week tears.
c) Fukudome doesn't suck.
d) The middle bullpen isn't vital as Dempster, Z, Lilly and Wells average more than six innings per start and are very effective.
e) Geo hits like it's 2008.

If any of these two things happen, the Cubs will compete for the division. I'd say you could have thrown an option "f" in there: "Bradley progresses to the mean," but he's gone, so let's go with a new option "f:" "Larry Rothschild makes Carlos Silva into a legitimate No. 2 starter." That's as likely as me getting killed by a stampede of elephants this afternoon, however.

I do think Slak's right that a lot of people do think that since Bradley's gone and that a "great guy" and "man's man" like Kevin Millar will be in the clubhouse "stirring the drink,"  woo-hoo, we've got a champion. I know far too many Cub fans that think that.

Yes, a lot of Cub fans will say that exact same thing - chiefly people that don't post here. And not even because of Millar but purely because of the subtraction of Bradley. It's unfortunate but I'll gladly listen to the cries of "It was all Milton's fault!" if the Cubs manage to rule the NL this year.

Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 09, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 09, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
I do think Slak's right that a lot of people do think that since Bradley's gone and that a "great guy" and "man's man" like Kevin Millar will be in the clubhouse "stirring the drink,"  woo-hoo, we've got a champion. I know far too many Cub fans that think that.

I seriously don't know that I've talked to a single Cubs fan outside of you dolts who agreed with me that Bradley for Silva was anything but an awesome move.

I'm talking friends and family here, too. It's downright depressing.

Yep - I've seen it too. My wife put some summer pictures up on facebook today and we happened to be in right field. Our guy Milt was standing there looking insane and trying to destroy team chemistry with his mind bullets. You can see it in the photo, you really can.

That's telekinesis, Kyle
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on February 09, 2010, 10:22:34 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 09, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 09, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
I do think Slak's right that a lot of people do think that since Bradley's gone and that a "great guy" and "man's man" like Kevin Millar will be in the clubhouse "stirring the drink,"  woo-hoo, we've got a champion. I know far too many Cub fans that think that.

I seriously don't know that I've talked to a single Cubs fan outside of you dolts who agreed with me that Bradley for Silva was anything but an awesome move.

I'm talking friends and family here, too. It's downright depressing.

You need to beat up that cousin of yours.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on February 09, 2010, 10:23:24 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 09, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 09, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
I do think Slak's right that a lot of people do think that since Bradley's gone and that a "great guy" and "man's man" like Kevin Millar will be in the clubhouse "stirring the drink,"  woo-hoo, we've got a champion. I know far too many Cub fans that think that.

I seriously don't know that I've talked to a single Cubs fan outside of you dolts who agreed with me that Bradley for Silva was anything but an awesome move.

I'm talking friends and family here, too. It's downright depressing.

That's what you get for having friends outside of the internet.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Richard Chuggar on February 09, 2010, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 09, 2010, 10:23:24 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 09, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 09, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
I do think Slak's right that a lot of people do think that since Bradley's gone and that a "great guy" and "man's man" like Kevin Millar will be in the clubhouse "stirring the drink,"  woo-hoo, we've got a champion. I know far too many Cub fans that think that.

I seriously don't know that I've talked to a single Cubs fan outside of you dolts who agreed with me that Bradley for Silva was anything but an awesome move.

I'm talking friends and family here, too. It's downright depressing.

That's what you get for having friends outside of the internet.

When you hang out at Halsted and Belmont most nights, it's hard for Thrill NOT to make friends.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: BH on February 09, 2010, 10:50:37 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on February 09, 2010, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 09, 2010, 10:23:24 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 09, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 09, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
I do think Slak's right that a lot of people do think that since Bradley's gone and that a "great guy" and "man's man" like Kevin Millar will be in the clubhouse "stirring the drink,"  woo-hoo, we've got a champion. I know far too many Cub fans that think that.

I seriously don't know that I've talked to a single Cubs fan outside of you dolts who agreed with me that Bradley for Silva was anything but an awesome move.

I'm talking friends and family here, too. It's downright depressing.

That's what you get for having friends outside of the internet.

When you hang out at Halsted and Belmont most nights, it's hard for Thrill NOT to make friends.

Good one bro!

(http://www.jonco48.com/blog/high_five.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 09, 2010, 10:53:16 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on February 09, 2010, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 09, 2010, 10:23:24 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 09, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 09, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
I do think Slak's right that a lot of people do think that since Bradley's gone and that a "great guy" and "man's man" like Kevin Millar will be in the clubhouse "stirring the drink,"  woo-hoo, we've got a champion. I know far too many Cub fans that think that.

I seriously don't know that I've talked to a single Cubs fan outside of you dolts who agreed with me that Bradley for Silva was anything but an awesome move.

I'm talking friends and family here, too. It's downright depressing.

That's what you get for having friends outside of the internet.

When you hang out at Halsted and Belmont most nights, it's hard for Thrill NOT to make friends.

It's hard for me not to make friends when PenFoe hangs out around Northalsted?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on February 09, 2010, 11:12:20 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 09, 2010, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 09, 2010, 09:59:44 AM
My wife put some summer pictures up on facebook today

Not relevant to the thread at all, but your wife takes awesome photos.

Just wanted to offer some sincerity to the collective.

I particularly like the ones of Slak in his bathing costume.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on February 09, 2010, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 09, 2010, 10:53:16 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on February 09, 2010, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 09, 2010, 10:23:24 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 09, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 09, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
I do think Slak's right that a lot of people do think that since Bradley's gone and that a "great guy" and "man's man" like Kevin Millar will be in the clubhouse "stirring the drink,"  woo-hoo, we've got a champion. I know far too many Cub fans that think that.

I seriously don't know that I've talked to a single Cubs fan outside of you dolts who agreed with me that Bradley for Silva was anything but an awesome move.

I'm talking friends and family here, too. It's downright depressing.

That's what you get for having friends outside of the internet.

When you hang out at Halsted and Belmont most nights, it's hard for Thrill NOT to make friends.

It's hard for me not to make friends when PenFoe hangs out around Northalsted?

It means he gets results!


...stupid chief.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on February 09, 2010, 11:58:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 09, 2010, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 09, 2010, 09:59:44 AM
My wife put some summer pictures up on facebook today

Not relevant to the thread at all, but your wife takes awesome photos.

Just wanted to offer some sincerity to the collective.


Thanks Eli. She appreciates the kind words.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on February 09, 2010, 12:22:00 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 09, 2010, 11:58:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 09, 2010, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 09, 2010, 09:59:44 AM
My wife put some summer pictures up on facebook today

Not relevant to the thread at all, but your wife takes awesome photos.

Just wanted to offer some sincerity to the collective.


Thanks Eli. She appreciates the kind words.

Your hair reminds me of Luke Wilson in "Bottle Rocket".  Is that the look you were going for?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Wheezer on February 09, 2010, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on February 09, 2010, 11:12:20 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 09, 2010, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 09, 2010, 09:59:44 AM
My wife put some summer pictures up on facebook today

Not relevant to the thread at all, but your wife takes awesome photos.

Just wanted to offer some sincerity to the collective.

I particularly like the ones of Slak in his bathing costume.

Now I can't stop thinking of nantaimori.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on February 09, 2010, 02:56:24 PM
Quote from: JD on February 09, 2010, 12:22:00 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 09, 2010, 11:58:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 09, 2010, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 09, 2010, 09:59:44 AM
My wife put some summer pictures up on facebook today

Not relevant to the thread at all, but your wife takes awesome photos.

Just wanted to offer some sincerity to the collective.


Thanks Eli. She appreciates the kind words.

Your hair reminds me of Luke Wilson in "Bottle Rocket".  Is that the look you were going for?

I was going for little to no effort. Now, it's just much longer than that.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: SKO on February 09, 2010, 03:07:30 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 09, 2010, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 09, 2010, 09:59:44 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 09, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 08, 2010, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 08, 2010, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: BH on February 08, 2010, 05:12:22 PM
""We just needed to get a couple of pieces, and we really think Byrd and Nady are going to help us in a lot of areas, especially offensively. And I'm optimistic some of the people that didn't hit last year will. Rudy is going to help us. ... I think we're quite a bit better.""

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-100206-chicago-cubs-jim-hendry,0,3343777.story

It seems to me that people think because Milt isn't around to upset people's delicate sensibilities that the Cubs are suddenly going to be great. It saddens me. But if 20 guys are going to dinner every night, well, that's just as good as a 100 wins and a World Series.

No offense, but does anyone that's not close to the organization actually think that? I mean, I think they'll be ok, 83-87 win range, but I don't think they'll be horrible. I've been trying to convince myself that the Cardinals are more in the 85-90 win range, and with a little luck, the Cubs could squeak their way in the playoffs, and then whatever, but that's the TJ Brown optimist side of myself.

I'm an optimist, but not even I am that optimistic.

The Cubs are probably more of a 78-83 win team right now; however, a few things could improve my outlook:

a) Ted Lilly returns to the mound and to form in May.
b) Soriano is healthy and goes on at least three of his patented two-three week tears.
c) Fukudome doesn't suck.
d) The middle bullpen isn't vital as Dempster, Z, Lilly and Wells average more than six innings per start and are very effective.
e) Geo hits like it's 2008.

If any of these two things happen, the Cubs will compete for the division. I'd say you could have thrown an option "f" in there: "Bradley progresses to the mean," but he's gone, so let's go with a new option "f:" "Larry Rothschild makes Carlos Silva into a legitimate No. 2 starter." That's as likely as me getting killed by a stampede of elephants this afternoon, however.

I do think Slak's right that a lot of people do think that since Bradley's gone and that a "great guy" and "man's man" like Kevin Millar will be in the clubhouse "stirring the drink,"  woo-hoo, we've got a champion. I know far too many Cub fans that think that.

Yes, a lot of Cub fans will say that exact same thing - chiefly people that don't post here. And not even because of Millar but purely because of the subtraction of Bradley. It's unfortunate but I'll gladly listen to the cries of "It was all Milton's fault!" if the Cubs manage to rule the NL this year.

Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 09, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 09, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
I do think Slak's right that a lot of people do think that since Bradley's gone and that a "great guy" and "man's man" like Kevin Millar will be in the clubhouse "stirring the drink,"  woo-hoo, we've got a champion. I know far too many Cub fans that think that.

I seriously don't know that I've talked to a single Cubs fan outside of you dolts who agreed with me that Bradley for Silva was anything but an awesome move.

I'm talking friends and family here, too. It's downright depressing.

Yep - I've seen it too. My wife put some summer pictures up on facebook today and we happened to be in right field. Our guy Milt was standing there looking insane and trying to destroy team chemistry with his mind bullets. You can see it in the photo, you really can.

That's telekinesis, Kyle

How about the power...to move you?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on February 09, 2010, 03:25:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 09, 2010, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 09, 2010, 09:59:44 AM
My wife put some summer pictures up on facebook today

Not relevant to the thread at all, but your wife takes awesome photos.

Just wanted to offer some sincerity to the collective.

I just saw them too. Is she professional?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on February 09, 2010, 03:46:42 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 09, 2010, 03:25:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 09, 2010, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 09, 2010, 09:59:44 AM
My wife put some summer pictures up on facebook today

Not relevant to the thread at all, but your wife takes awesome photos.

Just wanted to offer some sincerity to the collective.

I just saw them too. Is she professional?

Nope, just really talented.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on February 10, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Zzzzzzzz... (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2010/02/the-changes-that-are-coming-to-wrigley-field-and-the-cubs.html)though it sounds like it's going to be a lot easier for me to get kicked out of Wrigley.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2010, 10:25:34 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 10, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Zzzzzzzz... (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2010/02/the-changes-that-are-coming-to-wrigley-field-and-the-cubs.html)though it sounds like it's going to be a lot easier for me to get kicked out of Wrigley.

The Rickettses GET IT.  They UNDERSTAND.  Who is your favorite associate?  Mine is Ryan Theriot.  Such a hard worker.  Associate of the Month for April.  You heard it here first.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Wheezer on February 10, 2010, 10:30:11 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 10, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Zzzzzzzz... (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2010/02/the-changes-that-are-coming-to-wrigley-field-and-the-cubs.html)though it sounds like it's going to be a lot easier for me to get kicked out of Wrigley.

Quote14) Their will be a customized "Wrigley Grass Seed" developed by Scott's that will be available in stores this summer.

I'm thinking a Phalaris species might work in this respect.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 10, 2010, 10:46:17 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 10, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Zzzzzzzz... (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2010/02/the-changes-that-are-coming-to-wrigley-field-and-the-cubs.html)though it sounds like it's going to be a lot easier for me to get kicked out of Wrigley.

Quote6) The food options at the concession stands are being greatly expanded and a "Cubs Hot Dog" is being created ala the famous "Dodger Dog" that is sold in Los Angeles.

These "Frankfurter" sausages of yours may fly out in Hollywood, Mister, but around these part folks don't much cotton to ethnic food. Leave that bastard stuff to the Heinies and the Huns, thank you very much. I don't care how "famous" they may be.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on February 10, 2010, 10:57:24 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 10, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Zzzzzzzz... (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2010/02/the-changes-that-are-coming-to-wrigley-field-and-the-cubs.html)though it sounds like it's going to be a lot easier for me to get kicked out of Wrigley.

I didn't see anything in that article about 2010 Cubs Anal.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on February 10, 2010, 11:14:35 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 10, 2010, 10:57:24 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 10, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Zzzzzzzz... (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2010/02/the-changes-that-are-coming-to-wrigley-field-and-the-cubs.html)though it sounds like it's going to be a lot easier for me to get kicked out of Wrigley.

I didn't see anything in that article about 2010 Cubs Anal.

It says they're going to have people monitoring every aspect of the fan experience, inside and out. I don't know what you think that means, but I can only guess that includes some 2010 Cubs Anal.

Quote10) The Cubs will soon announce the hiring of a Chief Hospitality Officer or Director of Game Day Entertainment and that person's job will be to make sure that every aspect of a fan's experience is held to the highest standards of excellence. There will be uniformed "team ambassadors" who will be monitoring every part of the "Cubs Universe" on game day. Whether a fan takes the train, parks their car in a surrounding lot, rides their bicycle, or takes a bus to the area surrounding the stadium there will be Cubs ambassadors monitoring everything that a fan experiences and trouble shooting any problems that are brought to their attention.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on February 11, 2010, 07:30:21 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 10, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Zzzzzzzz... (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2010/02/the-changes-that-are-coming-to-wrigley-field-and-the-cubs.html)though it sounds like it's going to be a lot easier for me to get kicked out of Wrigley.

Windows under the right field bleachers? What can possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 11, 2010, 08:19:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 11, 2010, 07:30:21 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 10, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Zzzzzzzz... (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2010/02/the-changes-that-are-coming-to-wrigley-field-and-the-cubs.html)though it sounds like it's going to be a lot easier for me to get kicked out of Wrigley.

Windows under the right field bleachers? What can possibly go wrong?

Um, windows looking on the batting cages, in a room available for private rental...

Quote4) The area underneath the right field bleachers will be turned into a party area with one way glass allowing the fans who are renting the area to watch players take batting practice in the existing batting cages.

So, to answer your question: probably nothing.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: morpheus on February 11, 2010, 08:41:38 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 10, 2010, 10:46:17 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 10, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Zzzzzzzz... (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2010/02/the-changes-that-are-coming-to-wrigley-field-and-the-cubs.html)though it sounds like it's going to be a lot easier for me to get kicked out of Wrigley.

Quote6) The food options at the concession stands are being greatly expanded and a "Cubs Hot Dog" is being created ala the famous "Dodger Dog" that is sold in Los Angeles.

These "Frankfurter" sausages of yours may fly out in Hollywood, Mister, but around these part folks don't much cotton to ethnic food. Leave that bastard stuff to the Heinies and the Huns, thank you very much. I don't care how "famous" they may be.

Will the Cubs Hot Dog come with catsup?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on February 11, 2010, 08:52:06 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on February 10, 2010, 11:14:35 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 10, 2010, 10:57:24 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 10, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Zzzzzzzz... (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2010/02/the-changes-that-are-coming-to-wrigley-field-and-the-cubs.html)though it sounds like it's going to be a lot easier for me to get kicked out of Wrigley.

I didn't see anything in that article about 2010 Cubs Anal.

It says they're going to have people monitoring every aspect of the fan experience, inside and out. I don't know what you think that means, but I can only guess that includes some 2010 Cubs Anal.

Quote10) The Cubs will soon announce the hiring of a Chief Hospitality Officer or Director of Game Day Entertainment and that person's job will be to make sure that every aspect of a fan's experience is held to the highest standards of excellence. There will be uniformed "team ambassadors" who will be monitoring every part of the "Cubs Universe" on game day. Whether a fan takes the train, parks their car in a surrounding lot, rides their bicycle, or takes a bus to the area surrounding the stadium there will be Cubs ambassadors monitoring everything that a fan experiences and trouble shooting any problems that are brought to their attention.

Read: more octogenarian security people.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on February 11, 2010, 08:59:21 AM
Quote from: morpheus on February 11, 2010, 08:41:38 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 10, 2010, 10:46:17 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 10, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Zzzzzzzz... (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2010/02/the-changes-that-are-coming-to-wrigley-field-and-the-cubs.html)though it sounds like it's going to be a lot easier for me to get kicked out of Wrigley.

Quote6) The food options at the concession stands are being greatly expanded and a "Cubs Hot Dog" is being created ala the famous "Dodger Dog" that is sold in Los Angeles.

These "Frankfurter" sausages of yours may fly out in Hollywood, Mister, but around these part folks don't much cotton to ethnic food. Leave that bastard stuff to the Heinies and the Huns, thank you very much. I don't care how "famous" they may be.

Will the Cubs Hot Dog come with catsup?

Will they still let me put additional catsup on top of the included catsup? I don't want to be stuck with some lousy standard-issue amount of catsup on my frankfurter.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Waco Kid on February 11, 2010, 09:00:23 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on February 10, 2010, 11:14:35 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 10, 2010, 10:57:24 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 10, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Zzzzzzzz... (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2010/02/the-changes-that-are-coming-to-wrigley-field-and-the-cubs.html)though it sounds like it's going to be a lot easier for me to get kicked out of Wrigley.

I didn't see anything in that article about 2010 Cubs Anal.

It says they're going to have people monitoring every aspect of the fan experience, inside and out. I don't know what you think that means, but I can only guess that includes some 2010 Cubs Anal.

Quote10) The Cubs will soon announce the hiring of a Chief Hospitality Officer or Director of Game Day Entertainment and that person's job will be to make sure that every aspect of a fan's experience is held to the highest standards of excellence. There will be uniformed "team ambassadors" who will be monitoring every part of the "Cubs Universe" on game day. Whether a fan takes the train, parks their car in a surrounding lot, rides their bicycle, or takes a bus to the area surrounding the stadium there will be Cubs ambassadors monitoring everything that a fan experiences and trouble shooting any problems that are brought to their attention.



I take it that this includes an ambassador on the field to troubleshoot any problems there as well. Certainly Fat Silva serving up a bad outing would lessen my fan experience.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on February 11, 2010, 09:00:50 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on February 10, 2010, 11:14:35 PM

Quote10) The Cubs will soon announce the hiring of a Chief Hospitality Officer or Director of Game Day Entertainment and that person's job will be to make sure that every aspect of a fan's experience is held to the highest standards of excellence. There will be uniformed "team ambassadors" who will be monitoring every part of the "Cubs Universe" on game day. Whether a fan takes the train, parks their car in a surrounding lot, rides their bicycle, or takes a bus to the area surrounding the stadium there will be Cubs ambassadors monitoring everything that a fan experiences and trouble shooting any problems that are brought to their attention.

A Chief Hospitality Officer OR a Director of Game Day Entertainment?  Why not both?  Ricketts is too damn cheap!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 11, 2010, 09:24:07 AM
Quote from: R-V on February 11, 2010, 08:59:21 AM
Quote from: morpheus on February 11, 2010, 08:41:38 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 10, 2010, 10:46:17 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 10, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Zzzzzzzz... (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2010/02/the-changes-that-are-coming-to-wrigley-field-and-the-cubs.html)though it sounds like it's going to be a lot easier for me to get kicked out of Wrigley.

Quote6) The food options at the concession stands are being greatly expanded and a "Cubs Hot Dog" is being created ala the famous "Dodger Dog" that is sold in Los Angeles.

These "Frankfurter" sausages of yours may fly out in Hollywood, Mister, but around these part folks don't much cotton to ethnic food. Leave that bastard stuff to the Heinies and the Huns, thank you very much. I don't care how "famous" they may be.

Will the Cubs Hot Dog come with catsup?

Will they still let me put additional catsup on top of the included catsup? I don't want to be stuck with some lousy standard-issue amount of catsup on my frankfurter.

You'll be able to purchase additional ketchup packets from your aisle's Cubs Ambassador.

And rest assured that Huey won't be there to bitch about it now that the Rickettses are finally banning the Irish.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Brownie on February 11, 2010, 10:13:04 AM
It'll be great. A fun, antiseptic day at Wrigley Field. You'll want to take the wife and kids to do all these things except that it's too freaking expensive to do so, fun will be outlawed, getting there's a pain in the ass, and in the final analysis the kids for which the experience is about to get "friendlier" (those under the age of 8) would just as soon go see the Schaumburg Flyers and might actually believe you when you tell him the blond-haired third baseman for Schaumburg is Aramis Ramirez and the 19-year-old first baseman for Duluth is Albert Pujols.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: R-V on February 11, 2010, 10:23:53 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 11, 2010, 10:13:04 AM
It'll be great. A fun, antiseptic day at Wrigley Field. You'll want to take the wife and kids to do all these things except that it's too freaking expensive to do so, fun will be outlawed, getting there's a pain in the ass, and in the final analysis the kids for which the experience is about to get "friendlier" (those under the age of 8) would just as soon go see the Schaumburg Flyers and might actually believe you when you tell him the blond-haired third baseman for Schaumburg is Aramis Ramirez and the 19-year-old first baseman for Duluth is Albert Pujols.

Which of these changes are going to make the place any less fun or more antiseptic or more expensive than it already is?

They're cleaning up the shitters, putting in more TVs, adding some natural light to the place, maybe offering some better food, and allowing kids to get autographs and run bases. The rest of it is either window dressing or PR bullshit or improvements to luxury stuff that only morph can afford anyway. Tickets have been expensive for awhile now, and they'd be dumb not to keep raising the prices as long as they're selling out.

Maybe I'm being too sincere here, but I don't think anything the Ricketts are doing is making a Schaumburg game any more attractive than it was 3 years ago.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 11, 2010, 10:30:28 AM
Quote from: R-V on February 11, 2010, 10:23:53 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 11, 2010, 10:13:04 AM
It'll be great. A fun, antiseptic day at Wrigley Field. You'll want to take the wife and kids to do all these things except that it's too freaking expensive to do so, fun will be outlawed, getting there's a pain in the ass, and in the final analysis the kids for which the experience is about to get "friendlier" (those under the age of 8) would just as soon go see the Schaumburg Flyers and might actually believe you when you tell him the blond-haired third baseman for Schaumburg is Aramis Ramirez and the 19-year-old first baseman for Duluth is Albert Pujols.

Which of these changes are going to make the place any less fun or more antiseptic or more expensive than it already is?

They're cleaning up the shitters, putting in more TVs, adding some natural light to the place, maybe offering some better food, and allowing kids to get autographs and run bases. The rest of it is either window dressing or PR bullshit or improvements to luxury stuff that only morph can afford anyway. Tickets have been expensive for awhile now, and they'd be dumb not to keep raising the prices as long as they're selling out.

Maybe I'm being too sincere here, but I don't think anything the Ricketts are doing is making a Schaumburg game any more attractive than it was 3 years ago.

TJ is just preparing for a frugal fatherhood.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on February 11, 2010, 10:47:57 AM
I think people from the suburbs should stay in the suburbs so all these moves are ok with me.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on February 11, 2010, 11:04:15 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 11, 2010, 10:13:04 AM
It'll be great. A fun, antiseptic day at Wrigley Field. You'll want to take the wife and kids to do all these things except that it's too freaking expensive to do so, fun will be outlawed, getting there's a pain in the ass, and in the final analysis the kids for which the experience is about to get "friendlier" (those under the age of 8) would just as soon go see the Schaumburg Flyers and might actually believe you when you tell him the blond-haired third baseman for Schaumburg is Aramis Ramirez and the 19-year-old first baseman for Duluth is Albert Pujols.

Nah, even the kids know Albert Pujols is 40.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on February 11, 2010, 11:10:09 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on February 11, 2010, 10:47:57 AM
I think people from the suburbs should stay in the suburbs so all these moves are ok with me.

Oh look, the hayseed from Indiana's lived in Chicago for 3 years now and thinks he can tell people to GO BACK TO THE SUBURBS [/Huey]
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 11, 2010, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: CT III on February 11, 2010, 11:10:09 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on February 11, 2010, 10:47:57 AM
I think people from the suburbs should stay in the suburbs so all these moves are ok with me.

Oh look, the hayseed from Indiana's lived in Chicago for 3 years now and thinks he can tell people to GO BACK TO THE SUBURBS [/Huey]

CT WILL GO BACK TO THE SUBURBS WHEN HE DECIDES HE'S DAMN WELL READY TO GO BACK TO THE SUBURBS.

I'm guessing 7:45 at the very latest.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on February 11, 2010, 11:15:45 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 11, 2010, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: CT III on February 11, 2010, 11:10:09 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on February 11, 2010, 10:47:57 AM
I think people from the suburbs should stay in the suburbs so all these moves are ok with me.

Oh look, the hayseed from Indiana's lived in Chicago for 3 years now and thinks he can tell people to GO BACK TO THE SUBURBS [/Huey]

CT will go back to the suburbs when he decides he's damn well ready to go back to the suburbs.

I'm guessing 7:45 at the very latest.

Damn right.  Basking in all that culture and sophistication at Kitty O'Shea's can be a little much for a wide-eyed suburbanite like myself.

Next year we'll meet at Chili's.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on February 11, 2010, 11:51:17 AM
Can we make it Applebees?  I have coupons.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: morpheus on February 11, 2010, 11:54:42 AM
Why not make it the Cheesecake Factory?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on February 11, 2010, 11:56:01 AM
Why not TJ Slaky?.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on February 11, 2010, 12:00:31 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 11, 2010, 11:56:01 AM
Why not TJ Slaky?.

Ever seen the kitchen? Fuckers don't even use hairnets.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 11, 2010, 12:06:45 PM
Let's just meet at the Ogilvie food court, so CT and 242 can hang out for a few minutes extra.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CT III on February 11, 2010, 12:15:27 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 11, 2010, 12:06:45 PM
Let's just meet at the Ogilvie food court, so CT and 242 can hang out for a few minutes extra.

Or we could meet in Racine, so that Tank is a bit closer to home.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on February 11, 2010, 12:15:42 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 11, 2010, 12:06:45 PM
Let's just meet at the Ogilvie food court, so CT and 242 can hang out for a few minutes extra.

I eat there all the time. They're putting in a TJ Slaky's over by the Soupbox. Gonna be familicious!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on February 11, 2010, 12:30:06 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 11, 2010, 12:15:42 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 11, 2010, 12:06:45 PM
Let's just meet at the Ogilvie food court, so CT and 242 can hang out for a few minutes extra.

I eat there all the time. They're putting in a TJ Slaky's over by the Soupbox. Gonna be familicious!

They have a SoupBox at Olgilvie? 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on February 11, 2010, 12:30:34 PM
Quote from: MAD on February 11, 2010, 12:30:06 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 11, 2010, 12:15:42 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on February 11, 2010, 12:06:45 PM
Let's just meet at the Ogilvie food court, so CT and 242 can hang out for a few minutes extra.

I eat there all the time. They're putting in a TJ Slaky's over by the Soupbox. Gonna be familicious!

They have a SoupBox at Olgilvie? 

Oh yeah!
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on February 11, 2010, 12:47:16 PM
CHEMISTRY!!!! (http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/3424)

Quote"Honestly, until obviously, Milton, we'd always had that," Hendry said of good chemistry. "So it wasn't like it was a u-turn of philosophy. We had a great bunch of guys here for a long time, and we still do. Obviously, I made the mistake of trying to fit in the perfect type offensive player, and obviously, when that didn't work, the other issues came out. Fortunately, we put it behind us. It wasn't a conscious effort of doing anything entirely different. It was just like back to the norm, to be honest with you. The team that won 97 two years ago and the team that came back in Lou's first year and won the division were filled with not only good players, but quality people. That's the way we've always done things."

So, Milton's dickery prevented the Cubs from winning? Your smarte, Jim.

Quote"Offensively, he was the right guy," Jim said. "It wasn't like we didn't do our homework. I'm still convinced to this day if he'd have hit like he normally did the first couple of months, probably a lot of the issues wouldn't have come out. He was probably our best player in spring training. I remember having some chats with Derrek Lee and Aramis during camp, and they were thrilled to have him. He (Milton) got out of the gate so poorly and just didn't handle that lack of success well."

Verbally, no, but he still put up basically career average numbers from May-September.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on February 11, 2010, 01:12:12 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2010, 12:47:16 PM
CHEMISTRY!!!! (http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/3424)

Quote"Honestly, until obviously, Milton, we'd always had that," Hendry said of good chemistry. "So it wasn't like it was a u-turn of philosophy. We had a great bunch of guys here for a long time, and we still do. Obviously, I made the mistake of trying to fit in the perfect type offensive player, and obviously, when that didn't work, the other issues came out. Fortunately, we put it behind us. It wasn't a conscious effort of doing anything entirely different. It was just like back to the norm, to be honest with you. The team that won 97 two years ago and the team that came back in Lou's first year and won the division were filled with not only good players, but quality people. That's the way we've always done things."

So, Milton's dickery prevented the Cubs from winning? Your smarte, Jim.

Quote"Offensively, he was the right guy," Jim said. "It wasn't like we didn't do our homework. I'm still convinced to this day if he'd have hit like he normally did the first couple of months, probably a lot of the issues wouldn't have come out. He was probably our best player in spring training. I remember having some chats with Derrek Lee and Aramis during camp, and they were thrilled to have him. He (Milton) got out of the gate so poorly and just didn't handle that lack of success well."

Verbally, no, but he still put up basically career average numbers from May-September.

Jim Hendry can eat shit.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on February 11, 2010, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: MAD on February 11, 2010, 01:12:12 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2010, 12:47:16 PM
CHEMISTRY!!!! (http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/3424)

Quote"Honestly, until obviously, Milton, we'd always had that," Hendry said of good chemistry. "So it wasn't like it was a u-turn of philosophy. We had a great bunch of guys here for a long time, and we still do. Obviously, I made the mistake of trying to fit in the perfect type offensive player, and obviously, when that didn't work, the other issues came out. Fortunately, we put it behind us. It wasn't a conscious effort of doing anything entirely different. It was just like back to the norm, to be honest with you. The team that won 97 two years ago and the team that came back in Lou's first year and won the division were filled with not only good players, but quality people. That's the way we've always done things."

So, Milton's dickery prevented the Cubs from winning? Your smarte, Jim.

Quote"Offensively, he was the right guy," Jim said. "It wasn't like we didn't do our homework. I'm still convinced to this day if he'd have hit like he normally did the first couple of months, probably a lot of the issues wouldn't have come out. He was probably our best player in spring training. I remember having some chats with Derrek Lee and Aramis during camp, and they were thrilled to have him. He (Milton) got out of the gate so poorly and just didn't handle that lack of success well."

Verbally, no, but he still put up basically career average numbers from May-September.

Jim Hendry can eat shit.

Why eat it when he can outbid himself to sign it for 3 years?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Quality Start Machine on February 11, 2010, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: MAD on February 11, 2010, 01:12:12 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2010, 12:47:16 PM
CHEMISTRY!!!! (http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/3424)

Quote"Honestly, until obviously, Milton, we'd always had that," Hendry said of good chemistry. "So it wasn't like it was a u-turn of philosophy. We had a great bunch of guys here for a long time, and we still do. Obviously, I made the mistake of trying to fit in the perfect type offensive player, and obviously, when that didn't work, the other issues came out. Fortunately, we put it behind us. It wasn't a conscious effort of doing anything entirely different. It was just like back to the norm, to be honest with you. The team that won 97 two years ago and the team that came back in Lou's first year and won the division were filled with not only good players, but quality people. That's the way we've always done things."

So, Milton's dickery prevented the Cubs from winning? Your smarte, Jim.

Quote"Offensively, he was the right guy," Jim said. "It wasn't like we didn't do our homework. I'm still convinced to this day if he'd have hit like he normally did the first couple of months, probably a lot of the issues wouldn't have come out. He was probably our best player in spring training. I remember having some chats with Derrek Lee and Aramis during camp, and they were thrilled to have him. He (Milton) got out of the gate so poorly and just didn't handle that lack of success well."

Verbally, no, but he still put up basically career average numbers from May-September.

Jim Hendry can eat shit.

Only if it's doughnut shaped.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenFoe on February 11, 2010, 02:26:23 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2010, 12:47:16 PM
"Honestly, until obviously, Milton, we'd always had that," Hendry said of good chemistry. "So it wasn't like it was a u-turn of philosophy. We had a great bunch of guys here for a long time, and we still do. Obviously, I made the mistake of trying to fit in the perfect type offensive player, and obviously, when that didn't work, the other issues came out. Fortunately, we put it behind us. It wasn't a conscious effort of doing anything entirely different. It was just like back to the norm, to be honest with you. The team that won 97 two years ago and the team that came back in Lou's first year and won the division were filled with not only good players, but quality people. That's the way we've always done things."

I'm glad it's so fucking obvious now.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on February 11, 2010, 02:29:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 11, 2010, 02:26:23 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2010, 12:47:16 PM
"Honestly, until obviously, Milton, we'd always had that," Hendry said of good chemistry. "So it wasn't like it was a u-turn of philosophy. We had a great bunch of guys here for a long time, and we still do. Obviously, I made the mistake of trying to fit in the perfect type offensive player, and obviously, when that didn't work, the other issues came out. Fortunately, we put it behind us. It wasn't a conscious effort of doing anything entirely different. It was just like back to the norm, to be honest with you. The team that won 97 two years ago and the team that came back in Lou's first year and won the division were filled with not only good players, but quality people. That's the way we've always done things."

I'm glad it's so fucking obvious now.

Jim Hendry can eat shit.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on February 11, 2010, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: MAD on February 11, 2010, 02:29:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 11, 2010, 02:26:23 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2010, 12:47:16 PM
"Honestly, until obviously, Milton, we'd always had that," Hendry said of good chemistry. "So it wasn't like it was a u-turn of philosophy. We had a great bunch of guys here for a long time, and we still do. Obviously, I made the mistake of trying to fit in the perfect type offensive player, and obviously, when that didn't work, the other issues came out. Fortunately, we put it behind us. It wasn't a conscious effort of doing anything entirely different. It was just like back to the norm, to be honest with you. The team that won 97 two years ago and the team that came back in Lou's first year and won the division were filled with not only good players, but quality people. That's the way we've always done things."

I'm glad it's so fucking obvious now.

Jim Hendry can eat shit.

Obviously.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on February 11, 2010, 04:14:11 PM
If Milton's career average numbers included a .205 BA with a .701 OPS with runners in scoring position, that's not so good.  And that's what he did last year when he was one of the worst "clutch" hitters in the National League.

I'm sure that contributed to the feeling that he had a shitty year from day one through the whole season.  You know that, and forgetting how many outs there were, and calling all of the three year olds in his son's daycare racist, and screaming at Von Joshua and refusing to pinch hit, and hurting himself by stepping on first base in the season opener.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on February 11, 2010, 05:17:24 PM
Quote from: Andy on February 11, 2010, 04:14:11 PM
If Milton's career average numbers included a .205 BA with a .701 OPS with runners in scoring position, that's not so good.  And that's what he did last year when he was one of the worst "clutch" hitters in the National League.

Well, I was referring to the last 5 months of the season (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=bradlmi01&t=b&year=2009&share=1.24#836-941-sum:batting_gamelogs), in which he had 414 plate appearances, but if we're in the business of only looking at 115 of a guy's plate appearances to judge his whole season on, then I must oblige. Since you refer to that, we should also look at a couple of other things. Looking at that, I notice a couple of things (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=bradlmi01&year=2009&t=b#bases) 1. His OBP (the frequency in which he does not make an out and ruin a rally) was a very nice .385. Now, his BA was pretty shitty, but you can't accuse him of fucking up a rally. Also, his BABiP was .250, which is pretty below average. Now, I don't have the LD% of those ABs but that goes to show that he was probably pretty unlucky and those number get skewed with that small of a sample size

Quote from: Andy on February 11, 2010, 04:14:11 PM
forgetting how many outs there were

It's not like (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/awards.php?p=berkmla01) anyone else (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1260125.html) in the history of baseball (http://articles.latimes.com/1997/jul/24/sports/sp-15737) has forgot (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2009/09/14/2009-09-14_damon.html) how many outs were left (http://thecubreporter.com/2009/09/15/lou-names-2010-closer#comment-143764) (The last one I can't completely validate but it wouldn't surprise me if it happened since people are known to have brain lapses)... But by all means, let's continue basing a guy's legacy with the Cubs off of one incident..

Quote from: Andy on February 11, 2010, 04:14:11 PM
calling all of the three year olds in his son's daycare racist, and screaming at Von Joshua and refusing to pinch hit, and hurting himself by stepping on first base in the season opener.

Kid thing: I can't refute. He's a douche.

Don't recall the Von Joshua thing.

Nor the pinch hitting thing.

If you are referring to game one in Houston, I do see that he played the next day. I don't see the point in bitching about his foot landing 6-8 inches off from where it should have landed.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on February 11, 2010, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2010, 05:17:24 PM
His OBP (the frequency in which he does not make an out and ruin a rally)

I'm sure Andy appreciates the explanation.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Richard Chuggar on February 11, 2010, 05:42:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2010, 05:17:24 PM
Quote from: Andy on February 11, 2010, 04:14:11 PM
If Milton's career average numbers included a .205 BA with a .701 OPS with runners in scoring position, that's not so good.  And that's what he did last year when he was one of the worst "clutch" hitters in the National League.

Well, I was referring to the last 5 months of the season (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=bradlmi01&t=b&year=2009&share=1.24#836-941-sum:batting_gamelogs), in which he had 414 plate appearances, but if we're in the business of only looking at 115 of a guy's plate appearances to judge his whole season on, then I must oblige. Since you refer to that, we should also look at a couple of other things. Looking at that, I notice a couple of things (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=bradlmi01&year=2009&t=b#bases) 1. His OBP (the frequency in which he does not make an out and ruin a rally) was a very nice .385. Now, his BA was pretty shitty, but you can't accuse him of fucking up a rally. Also, his BABiP was .250, which is pretty below average. Now, I don't have the LD% of those ABs but that goes to show that he was probably pretty unlucky and those number get skewed with that small of a sample size

Quote from: Andy on February 11, 2010, 04:14:11 PM
forgetting how many outs there were

It's not like (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/awards.php?p=berkmla01) anyone else (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1260125.html) in the history of baseball (http://articles.latimes.com/1997/jul/24/sports/sp-15737) has forgot (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2009/09/14/2009-09-14_damon.html) how many outs were left (http://thecubreporter.com/2009/09/15/lou-names-2010-closer#comment-143764) (The last one I can't completely validate but it wouldn't surprise me if it happened since people are known to have brain lapses)... But by all means, let's continue basing a guy's legacy with the Cubs off of one incident..

Quote from: Andy on February 11, 2010, 04:14:11 PM
calling all of the three year olds in his son's daycare racist, and screaming at Von Joshua and refusing to pinch hit, and hurting himself by stepping on first base in the season opener.

Kid thing: I can't refute. He's a douche.

Don't recall the Von Joshua thing.

Nor the pinch hitting thing.

If you are referring to game one in Houston, I do see that he played the next day. I don't see the point in bitching about his foot landing 6-8 inches off from where it should have landed.

Why in the fuck do you stick up for this morgan?  Do you own stock in him?  Does he have incrimating pictures of you banging a sheep?  We've seen those.  Just get over it.  He's a piece of shit and not good at hitting the baseball or counting.  Fuck. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on February 11, 2010, 08:12:16 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2010, 05:17:24 PM
Quote from: Andy on February 11, 2010, 04:14:11 PM
forgetting how many outs there were

It's not like (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/awards.php?p=berkmla01) anyone else (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1260125.html) in the history of baseball (http://articles.latimes.com/1997/jul/24/sports/sp-15737) has forgot (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2009/09/14/2009-09-14_damon.html) how many outs were left (http://thecubreporter.com/2009/09/15/lou-names-2010-closer#comment-143764) (The last one I can't completely validate but it wouldn't surprise me if it happened since people are known to have brain lapses)... But by all means, let's continue basing a guy's legacy with the Cubs off of one incident..

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It wasn't that he forgot how many outs there were, it is that he missed the cutoff man in the stands.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Slaky on February 11, 2010, 08:23:27 PM
A brilliant new plan to bring the Cubs back to offensive prosperity. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0211-cubs-chicago--20100210,0,7702096.story)
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Wheezer on February 11, 2010, 08:49:12 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on February 11, 2010, 08:23:27 PM
A brilliant new plan to bring the Cubs back to offensive prosperity. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0211-cubs-chicago--20100210,0,7702096.story)

This would be way cooler if Theriot could get Fukudome to start posting at ronpaulforums.com as well.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on February 11, 2010, 09:57:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 11, 2010, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2010, 05:17:24 PM
His OBP (the frequency in which he does not make an out and ruin a rally)

I'm sure Andy appreciates the explanation.

It seems that the BA is all that matters... Just clarifying.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on February 11, 2010, 10:05:14 PM
Yup, I distilled his entire season down the meaningless 115 at bats he had...with runners in scoring position.  And that .385 on base average proves that he really did have a great season after all. 

You win.

How could they have ever gotten rid of such a great player?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: JD on February 11, 2010, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: Andy on February 11, 2010, 10:05:14 PM
Yup, I distilled his entire season down the meaningless 115 at bats he had...with runners in scoring position.  And that .385 on base average proves that he really did have a great season after all. 

You win.

How could they have ever gotten rid of such a great player?

When someone says Carlos Silva, you don't ask how much.  You ask how high.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on February 11, 2010, 10:38:08 PM
Quote from: Andy on February 11, 2010, 10:05:14 PM
Yup, I distilled his entire season down the meaningless 115 at bats he had...with runners in scoring position.  And that .385 on base average proves that he really did have a great season after all. 

You win.

How could they have ever gotten rid of such a great player?

Did I say great? Or should we log this under "Missing the point for $100"?

They got rid of probably their 3rd best hitter from last year for a pitcher who is likely to be the 7th-8th starter (if even on the team at all) and a few million.

I said that 414 of his 473 PAs from 2009 were basically in line with his career numbers. You were more concerned with 115 PAs.. Making a point about a very small portion of someone's PAs (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/3/20/804766/this-is-getting-silly#13251220) can often lead to very bad analysis about what actually happened. (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/3/20/804766/this-is-getting-silly#13256971%5B/url)

414 isn't the biggest sample of a guy's performance, but I'd rather use those 414 consecutive PAs than 115 random PAs.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on February 12, 2010, 08:13:38 AM
Nobody.  Gives.  A.  Shit.  I can't even remember what team Milton was traded to.  And, I don't care.  He was a turd, but he wasn't as awful as people make him out to be.  Can we stop arguing over this stupid shit?  Or, is that what we do here?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on February 12, 2010, 08:44:23 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2010, 10:38:08 PM
Quote from: Andy on February 11, 2010, 10:05:14 PM
Yup, I distilled his entire season down the meaningless 115 at bats he had...with runners in scoring position.  And that .385 on base average proves that he really did have a great season after all. 

You win.

How could they have ever gotten rid of such a great player?

Did I say great? Or should we log this under "Missing the point for $100"?

They got rid of probably their 3rd best hitter from last year for a pitcher who is likely to be the 7th-8th starter (if even on the team at all) and a few million.

I said that 414 of his 473 PAs from 2009 were basically in line with his career numbers. You were more concerned with 115 PAs.. Making a point about a very small portion of someone's PAs (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/3/20/804766/this-is-getting-silly#13251220) can often lead to very bad analysis about what actually happened. (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/3/20/804766/this-is-getting-silly#13256971%5B/url)

414 isn't the biggest sample of a guy's performance, but I'd rather use those 414 consecutive PAs than 115 random PAs.

Guh.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on February 12, 2010, 09:09:53 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on February 12, 2010, 08:13:38 AM
Nobody.  Gives.  A.  Shit.  I can't even remember what team Milton was traded to.  And, I don't care.  He was a turd, but he wasn't as awful as people make him out to be.  Can we stop arguing over this stupid shit?  Or, is that what we do here?

Actually, I believe that is what we do here.

But I agree with your Milton analysis.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: SKO on February 12, 2010, 09:38:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on February 12, 2010, 08:13:38 AM
Nobody.  Gives.  A.  Shit.  I can't even remember what team Milton was traded to.  And, I don't care.  He was a turd complete and utterly fucktarded dickhead, but he wasn't as awful of a baseball player as people make him out to be, and we're all enlightened enough Not to believe in such concepts as team chemistry, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a cock when he was here and now he is gone and nothing can be done about it.   Can we stop arguing over this stupid shit?  Or, is that what we do here?

Making everybody happy'd.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on February 12, 2010, 09:40:03 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 12, 2010, 09:38:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on February 12, 2010, 08:13:38 AM
Nobody.  Gives.  A.  Shit.  I can't even remember what team Milton was traded to.  And, I don't care.  He was a turd complete and utterly fucktarded dickhead, but he wasn't as awful of a baseball player as people make him out to be, and we're all enlightened enough Not to believe in such concepts as team chemistry, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a cock when he was here and now he is gone and nothing can be done about it.   Can we stop arguing over this stupid shit?  Or, is that what we do here?

Making everybody happy'd.

I'm not.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: MAD on February 12, 2010, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 12, 2010, 09:38:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on February 12, 2010, 08:13:38 AM
Nobody.  Gives.  A.  Shit.  I can't even remember what team Milton was traded to.  And, I don't care.  He was a turd complete and utterly fucktarded dickhead, but he wasn't as awful of a baseball player as people make him out to be, and we're all enlightened enough Not to believe in such concepts as team chemistry, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a cock when he was here and now he is gone and nothing can be done about it.   Can we stop arguing over this stupid shit?  Or, is that what we do here?

Making everybody happy'd.

I can work with this. 

I believe Apex said it best when he said (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6839.msg181119#msg181119) you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.  Milton is not the reason the Cubs sucked, but he made it oh so very hard to defend him with his pathological turdism.  The guy basically went out of his way to be a misunderstood pain in the dickhole.  I think they should have held on to him, considering the flaming bag of shit they got for him, but what's done is done.  Let's move on to hating this years team.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: SKO on February 12, 2010, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 12, 2010, 09:40:03 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 12, 2010, 09:38:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on February 12, 2010, 08:13:38 AM
Nobody.  Gives.  A.  Shit.  I can't even remember what team Milton was traded to.  And, I don't care.  He was a turd complete and utterly fucktarded dickhead, but he wasn't as awful of a baseball player as people make him out to be, and we're all enlightened enough Not to believe in such concepts as team chemistry, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a cock when he was here and now he is gone and nothing can be done about it.   Can we stop arguing over this stupid shit?  Or, is that what we do here?

Making everybody happy'd.

I'm not.

Then just shut up and stew somewhere quietly. We get it, you decided to dabble in the world of sabermetrics and somehow figured out that the most appropriate way to show off your fancy new metrics was to draw a line in the sand at Milton Bradley and stand by him until the end of time. Why exactly you chose him, no one knows. Even Eli stopped arguing in favor of the guy once he was gone. Go back to the FDB2 messageboards and grind your axe with other bitter, broken people who will argue the same point that no one else wants to debate for days and days without making any progress towards an end. Leave it be, Yeti.


And fuck downstate Illinois.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on February 12, 2010, 09:53:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 12, 2010, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 12, 2010, 09:40:03 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 12, 2010, 09:38:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on February 12, 2010, 08:13:38 AM
Nobody.  Gives.  A.  Shit.  I can't even remember what team Milton was traded to.  And, I don't care.  He was a turd complete and utterly fucktarded dickhead, but he wasn't as awful of a baseball player as people make him out to be, and we're all enlightened enough Not to believe in such concepts as team chemistry, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a cock when he was here and now he is gone and nothing can be done about it.   Can we stop arguing over this stupid shit?  Or, is that what we do here?

Making everybody happy'd.

I'm not.

Then just shut up and stew somewhere quietly. We get it, you decided to dabble in the world of sabermetrics and somehow figured out that the most appropriate way to show off your fancy new metrics was to draw a line in the sand at Milton Bradley and stand by him until the end of time. Why exactly you chose him, no one knows. Even Eli stopped arguing in favor of the guy once he was gone. Go back to the FDB2 messageboards and grind your axe with other bitter, broken people who will argue the same point that no one else wants to debate for days and days without making any progress towards an end. Leave it be, Yeti.


And fuck downstate Illinois.

Is Iowa better?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on February 12, 2010, 09:55:00 AM
Quote from: MAD on February 12, 2010, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 12, 2010, 09:38:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on February 12, 2010, 08:13:38 AM
Nobody.  Gives.  A.  Shit.  I can't even remember what team Milton was traded to.  And, I don't care.  He was a turd complete and utterly fucktarded dickhead, but he wasn't as awful of a baseball player as people make him out to be, and we're all enlightened enough Not to believe in such concepts as team chemistry, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a cock when he was here and now he is gone and nothing can be done about it.   Can we stop arguing over this stupid shit?  Or, is that what we do here?

Making everybody happy'd.

I can work with this. 

I believe Apex said it best when he said (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6839.msg181119#msg181119) you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.  Milton is not the reason the Cubs sucked, but he made it oh so very hard to defend him with his pathological turdism.  The guy basically went out of his way to be a misunderstood pain in the dickhole.  I think they should have held on to him, considering the flaming bag of shit they got for him, but what's done is done.  Let's move on to hating this years team.

DONE.  I already hate them.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on February 12, 2010, 09:58:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 12, 2010, 09:49:26 AM
Even Eli stopped arguing in favor of the guy once he was gone.

EXACTLY. 

Yeti's recent sabermetric burst has shown me just how annoying I've been all these years.  I'd like to apologize to everyone for everything I've ever said, and I'm truly sorry for all those times I quoted made-up stats from Fangraphs. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on February 12, 2010, 10:01:41 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 12, 2010, 09:58:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 12, 2010, 09:49:26 AM
Even Eli stopped arguing in favor of the guy once he was gone.

EXACTLY. 

Yeti's recent sabermetric burst has shown me just how annoying I've been all these years.  I'd like to apologize to everyone for everything I've ever said, and I'm truly sorry for all those times I quoted made-up stats from Fangraphs. 

You're sorry that you don't argue in favor of judging someone off of 100 random ABs or point out how stupid it is to do so?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Oleg on February 12, 2010, 10:03:15 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on February 12, 2010, 09:55:00 AM
Quote from: MAD on February 12, 2010, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 12, 2010, 09:38:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on February 12, 2010, 08:13:38 AM
Nobody.  Gives.  A.  Shit.  I can't even remember what team Milton was traded to.  And, I don't care.  He was a turd complete and utterly fucktarded dickhead, but he wasn't as awful of a baseball player as people make him out to be, and we're all enlightened enough Not to believe in such concepts as team chemistry, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a cock when he was here and now he is gone and nothing can be done about it.   Can we stop arguing over this stupid shit?  Or, is that what we do here?

Making everybody happy'd.

I can work with this. 

I believe Apex said it best when he said (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6839.msg181119#msg181119) you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.  Milton is not the reason the Cubs sucked, but he made it oh so very hard to defend him with his pathological turdism.  The guy basically went out of his way to be a misunderstood pain in the dickhole.  I think they should have held on to him, considering the flaming bag of shit they got for him, but what's done is done.  Let's move on to hating this years team.

DONE.  I already hate them.

I have enough hate for both.  Why can't we hate both?  If we can't hate the past, then we can't complain about not hating the future.  Wait, is that right?  I don't care.  Fuck the 2009 Cubs, and I look forwad to fucking the 2010 Cubs, too!  Shit, I did it again, didn't I?  You know what I mean!

Quote from: Eli on February 12, 2010, 09:58:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 12, 2010, 09:49:26 AM
Even Eli stopped arguing in favor of the guy once he was gone.

EXACTLY.  

Yeti's recent sabermetric burst has shown me just how annoying I've been all these years.  I'd like to apologize to everyone for everything I've ever said, and I'm truly sorry for all those times I quoted made-up stats from Fangraphs.  

Come on!  No one can take away the awesome sense of self-righteousness I feel when someone defends Juan Pierre because he gets 200 hits.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: SKO on February 12, 2010, 10:04:38 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 12, 2010, 09:58:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 12, 2010, 09:49:26 AM
Even Eli stopped arguing in favor of the guy once he was gone.

EXACTLY. 

Yeti's recent sabermetric burst has shown me just how annoying I've been all these years.  I'd like to apologize to everyone for everything I've ever said, and I'm truly sorry for all those times I quoted made-up stats from Fangraphs. 

I'm not out to ridicule sabermetrics, nor am I out to say anything against you, Eli. Hell, I still like that obese sonofabitch. I'm just saying that before making or continuing an argument, one should ask themselves exactly What they wish to accomplish with said argument. If the goal is to convince a bunch of people who'd rather just move on and forget about Milton Bradley that he was in fact a great baseball player and that we'll rue the very day we lost him, it's not going to happen, so why waste the time?
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Jon on February 12, 2010, 10:05:54 AM
I'm with SKO on this. And I'm a giant flaming bag of statfaggotry.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Eli on February 12, 2010, 10:07:59 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 12, 2010, 10:03:15 AM
Come on!  No one can take away the awesome sense of self-righteousness I feel when someone defends Juan Pierre because he gets 200 hits.

And no one should  take that away from you.

Quote from: SKO on February 12, 2010, 10:04:38 AM
I'm not out to ridicule sabermetrics, nor am I out to say anything against you, Eli. Hell, I still like that obese sonofabitch. I'm just saying that before making or continuing an argument, one should ask themselves exactly What they wish to accomplish with said argument. If the goal is to convince a bunch of people who'd rather just move on and forget about Milton Bradley that he was in fact a great baseball player and that we'll rue the very day we lost him, it's not going to happen, so why waste the time?

Completely agree.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: SKO on February 12, 2010, 10:08:40 AM
Quote from: Jon on February 12, 2010, 10:05:54 AM
I'm with SKO on this. And I'm a giant flaming bag of statfaggotry.

I'm generally a statfaggot myself. Granted, I understand football statfaggotry much better and generally concede to people on the baseball front, but for god's sakes it's not about the stats anymore. Milton had a shitty year that wasn't as shitty as it's been portrayed, but he's gone and the fucking argument over how WE WRONGED MILTY just needs to go away.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Yeti on February 12, 2010, 10:15:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 12, 2010, 10:04:38 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 12, 2010, 09:58:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 12, 2010, 09:49:26 AM
Even Eli stopped arguing in favor of the guy once he was gone.

EXACTLY. 

Yeti's recent sabermetric burst has shown me just how annoying I've been all these years.  I'd like to apologize to everyone for everything I've ever said, and I'm truly sorry for all those times I quoted made-up stats from Fangraphs. 

I'm not out to ridicule sabermetrics, nor am I out to say anything against you, Eli. Hell, I still like that obese sonofabitch. I'm just saying that before making or continuing an argument, one should ask themselves exactly What they wish to accomplish with said argument. If the goal is to convince a bunch of people who'd rather just move on and forget about Milton Bradley that he was in fact a great baseball player and that we'll rue the very day we lost him, it's not going to happen, so why waste the time?

Actually, I kind of try to come off as a douche, and I'm pretty sure I succeed. I realize my Milton love is insufferable...
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Internet Apex on February 12, 2010, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 12, 2010, 09:58:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 12, 2010, 09:49:26 AM
Even Eli stopped arguing in favor of the guy once he was gone.

EXACTLY. 

Yeti's recent sabermetric burst has shown me just how annoying I've been all these years.  I'd like to apologize to everyone for everything I've ever said, and I'm truly sorry for all those times I quoted made-up stats from Fangraphs. 

I accept your apology. Your contrition has moved me somewhere deep inside. I've lit a match in your honor.
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: CBStew on February 12, 2010, 01:56:52 PM
Milton has talent, but he didn't want to share it with the Cubs. 
Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: Andy on February 12, 2010, 02:22:12 PM
I don't have any problem with Sabermetrics.  It's interesting stuff, and when studied by people who understand them, pretty useful.  I know who those people are, because they can explain it to dopes like us.

Too bad the two Cubs blogs made up of guys who want to understand them, are instead made up of guys who really don't.

Title: Re: The 2010 Cubs Free Agent and Roster Moves Thread: SAVEENG OUR KUBBEEZ!!11
Post by: PenPho on June 25, 2010, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 03, 2009, 10:08:43 AM
I miss Lonestar.

Bump.