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Title: Blossom
Post by: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 01:26:02 AM
Oh, look, Dr. Blossom is a Mommy Menace (http://www.justmommies.com/celebrity-baby-updates/mayim-bialiks-parenting-style?page=0,0). Maybe TBBT can do a vaccine episode. "The Secret Hepatitis B of the American Teenager" is a thought.

QuoteJustMommies: Do you do no vaccinations, or do you select specific ones with your doctor?

Mayim Bialik: We have not vaccinated, but some people do selective vaccination. There is a recommended modified schedule that Dr. Sears has been recommending.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 02:22:28 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 01:26:02 AM
Oh, look, Dr. Blossom is a Mommy Menace (http://www.justmommies.com/celebrity-baby-updates/mayim-bialiks-parenting-style?page=0,0). Maybe TBBT can do a vaccine episode. "The Secret Hepatitis B of the American Teenager" is a thought.

QuoteJustMommies: Do you do no vaccinations, or do you select specific ones with your doctor?

Mayim Bialik: We have not vaccinated, but some people do selective vaccination. There is a recommended modified schedule that Dr. Sears has been recommending.

Okay, the non-vaccination thing is just nuts, but you know what?  I read that whole thing and it's clear that she adores her kids and is only trying to do what she thinks is best for them.  There's a limit to how far wrong you can go with that.  There are probably a billion children in this World who would love to have her kids' problems.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Quality Start Machine on February 21, 2012, 07:40:33 AM
Quote from: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 02:22:28 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 01:26:02 AM
Oh, look, Dr. Blossom is a Mommy Menace (http://www.justmommies.com/celebrity-baby-updates/mayim-bialiks-parenting-style?page=0,0). Maybe TBBT can do a vaccine episode. "The Secret Hepatitis B of the American Teenager" is a thought.

QuoteJustMommies: Do you do no vaccinations, or do you select specific ones with your doctor?

Mayim Bialik: We have not vaccinated, but some people do selective vaccination. There is a recommended modified schedule that Dr. Sears has been recommending.

Okay, the non-vaccination thing is just nuts, but you know what?  I read that whole thing and it's clear that she adores her kids and is only trying to do what she thinks is best for them.  There's a limit to how far wrong you can go with that.  There are probably a billion children in this World who would love to have her kids' problems.

She's got a PhD in Neuroscience. I'm pretty sure she made a reasonably informed decision.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on February 21, 2012, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 21, 2012, 07:40:33 AM
Quote from: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 02:22:28 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 01:26:02 AM
Oh, look, Dr. Blossom is a Mommy Menace (http://www.justmommies.com/celebrity-baby-updates/mayim-bialiks-parenting-style?page=0,0). Maybe TBBT can do a vaccine episode. "The Secret Hepatitis B of the American Teenager" is a thought.

QuoteJustMommies: Do you do no vaccinations, or do you select specific ones with your doctor?

Mayim Bialik: We have not vaccinated, but some people do selective vaccination. There is a recommended modified schedule that Dr. Sears has been recommending.

Okay, the non-vaccination thing is just nuts, but you know what?  I read that whole thing and it's clear that she adores her kids and is only trying to do what she thinks is best for them.  There's a limit to how far wrong you can go with that.  There are probably a billion children in this World who would love to have her kids' problems.

She's got a PhD in Neuroscience. I'm pretty sure she made a reasonably informed decision.

Yeah. There are no idiots with advanced degrees.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: PenPho on February 21, 2012, 11:08:15 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 21, 2012, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 21, 2012, 07:40:33 AM
Quote from: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 02:22:28 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 01:26:02 AM
Oh, look, Dr. Blossom is a Mommy Menace (http://www.justmommies.com/celebrity-baby-updates/mayim-bialiks-parenting-style?page=0,0). Maybe TBBT can do a vaccine episode. "The Secret Hepatitis B of the American Teenager" is a thought.

QuoteJustMommies: Do you do no vaccinations, or do you select specific ones with your doctor?

Mayim Bialik: We have not vaccinated, but some people do selective vaccination. There is a recommended modified schedule that Dr. Sears has been recommending.

Okay, the non-vaccination thing is just nuts, but you know what?  I read that whole thing and it's clear that she adores her kids and is only trying to do what she thinks is best for them.  There's a limit to how far wrong you can go with that.  There are probably a billion children in this World who would love to have her kids' problems.

She's got a PhD in Neuroscience. I'm pretty sure she made a reasonably informed decision.

Yeah. There are no idiots with advanced degrees.

(http://smu.edu/registrar/ceremonies/history/speaker_photos/George%20W%20Bush%20at%20Commencement.jpg)
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 11:22:31 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 21, 2012, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 21, 2012, 07:40:33 AM
Quote from: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 02:22:28 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 01:26:02 AM
Oh, look, Dr. Blossom is a Mommy Menace (http://www.justmommies.com/celebrity-baby-updates/mayim-bialiks-parenting-style?page=0,0). Maybe TBBT can do a vaccine episode. "The Secret Hepatitis B of the American Teenager" is a thought.

QuoteJustMommies: Do you do no vaccinations, or do you select specific ones with your doctor?

Mayim Bialik: We have not vaccinated, but some people do selective vaccination. There is a recommended modified schedule that Dr. Sears has been recommending.

Okay, the non-vaccination thing is just nuts, but you know what?  I read that whole thing and it's clear that she adores her kids and is only trying to do what she thinks is best for them.  There's a limit to how far wrong you can go with that.  There are probably a billion children in this World who would love to have her kids' problems.

She's got a PhD in Neuroscience. I'm pretty sure she made a reasonably informed decision.

Yeah. There are no idiots with advanced degrees.

She's also a cosleeper, a decidedly risky activity, refused her kids speech therapy (apparently, the two-year-old hasn't spoken yet), suggests that homebirthing is "nothing to fear," and plays the holier-than-thou card for "unnatural" mommies who choose pain relief during childbirth rather than self-hypnosis, baths, and homeopathy.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: morpheus on February 21, 2012, 12:16:18 PM
Quote from: PenPho on February 21, 2012, 11:08:15 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 21, 2012, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 21, 2012, 07:40:33 AM
Quote from: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 02:22:28 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 01:26:02 AM
Oh, look, Dr. Blossom is a Mommy Menace (http://www.justmommies.com/celebrity-baby-updates/mayim-bialiks-parenting-style?page=0,0). Maybe TBBT can do a vaccine episode. "The Secret Hepatitis B of the American Teenager" is a thought.

QuoteJustMommies: Do you do no vaccinations, or do you select specific ones with your doctor?

Mayim Bialik: We have not vaccinated, but some people do selective vaccination. There is a recommended modified schedule that Dr. Sears has been recommending.

Okay, the non-vaccination thing is just nuts, but you know what?  I read that whole thing and it's clear that she adores her kids and is only trying to do what she thinks is best for them.  There's a limit to how far wrong you can go with that.  There are probably a billion children in this World who would love to have her kids' problems.

She's got a PhD in Neuroscience. I'm pretty sure she made a reasonably informed decision.

Yeah. There are no idiots with advanced degrees.

(http://smu.edu/registrar/ceremonies/history/speaker_photos/George%20W%20Bush%20at%20Commencement.jpg)

(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/politics/Obama%20in%20graduation%20robes%20-%20Molly%20Riley%20-%20banner.jpg)
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 12:22:36 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 11:22:31 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 21, 2012, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 21, 2012, 07:40:33 AM
Quote from: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 02:22:28 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 01:26:02 AM
Oh, look, Dr. Blossom is a Mommy Menace (http://www.justmommies.com/celebrity-baby-updates/mayim-bialiks-parenting-style?page=0,0). Maybe TBBT can do a vaccine episode. "The Secret Hepatitis B of the American Teenager" is a thought.

QuoteJustMommies: Do you do no vaccinations, or do you select specific ones with your doctor?

Mayim Bialik: We have not vaccinated, but some people do selective vaccination. There is a recommended modified schedule that Dr. Sears has been recommending.

Okay, the non-vaccination thing is just nuts, but you know what?  I read that whole thing and it's clear that she adores her kids and is only trying to do what she thinks is best for them.  There's a limit to how far wrong you can go with that.  There are probably a billion children in this World who would love to have her kids' problems.

She's got a PhD in Neuroscience. I'm pretty sure she made a reasonably informed decision.

Yeah. There are no idiots with advanced degrees.

She's also a cosleeper, a decidedly risky activity, refused her kids speech therapy (apparently, the two-year-old hasn't spoken yet), suggests that homebirthing is "nothing to fear," and plays the holier-than-thou card for "unnatural" mommies who choose pain relief during childbirth rather than self-hypnosis, baths, and homeopathy.

What's the problem with homebirthing, exactly?  As long as there's medical help on hand or within easy reach, there's a lot to be said for it.  We had both our kids in hospital because we didn't have the choice, as it turned out, but it's extremely common here in the Netherlands, and the infant mortality rates are well in line with the rest of Western Europe.

Also, what are the risks of cosleeping?  Unless you're stoned out of your fucking mind, there are none.  STonk and I never did it with the Tonklets but I don't give a flying fuck if it suits somebody else.  I'm surprised at you, Wheez.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: morpheus on February 21, 2012, 12:29:58 PM
Quote from: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 12:22:36 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 11:22:31 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 21, 2012, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 21, 2012, 07:40:33 AM
Quote from: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 02:22:28 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 01:26:02 AM
Oh, look, Dr. Blossom is a Mommy Menace (http://www.justmommies.com/celebrity-baby-updates/mayim-bialiks-parenting-style?page=0,0). Maybe TBBT can do a vaccine episode. "The Secret Hepatitis B of the American Teenager" is a thought.

QuoteJustMommies: Do you do no vaccinations, or do you select specific ones with your doctor?

Mayim Bialik: We have not vaccinated, but some people do selective vaccination. There is a recommended modified schedule that Dr. Sears has been recommending.

Okay, the non-vaccination thing is just nuts, but you know what?  I read that whole thing and it's clear that she adores her kids and is only trying to do what she thinks is best for them.  There's a limit to how far wrong you can go with that.  There are probably a billion children in this World who would love to have her kids' problems.

She's got a PhD in Neuroscience. I'm pretty sure she made a reasonably informed decision.

Yeah. There are no idiots with advanced degrees.

She's also a cosleeper, a decidedly risky activity, refused her kids speech therapy (apparently, the two-year-old hasn't spoken yet), suggests that homebirthing is "nothing to fear," and plays the holier-than-thou card for "unnatural" mommies who choose pain relief during childbirth rather than self-hypnosis, baths, and homeopathy.

What's the problem with homebirthing, exactly?  As long as there's medical help on hand or within easy reach, there's a lot to be said for it.  We had both our kids in hospital because we didn't have the choice, as it turned out, but it's extremely common here in the Netherlands, and the infant mortality rates are well in line with the rest of Western Europe.

Also, what are the risks of cosleeping?  Unless you're stoned out of your fucking mind, there are none.  STonk and I never did it with the Tonklets but I don't give a flying fuck if it suits somebody else.  I'm surprised at you, Wheez.

Well, the US Consumer Product Safety Commission and American Academy of Pediatrics think there are risks (http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sleep/cosleeping.html)... Or so Google tells me.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: PenPho on February 21, 2012, 12:31:48 PM
Quote from: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 12:22:36 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 11:22:31 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 21, 2012, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 21, 2012, 07:40:33 AM
Quote from: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 02:22:28 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 01:26:02 AM
Oh, look, Dr. Blossom is a Mommy Menace (http://www.justmommies.com/celebrity-baby-updates/mayim-bialiks-parenting-style?page=0,0). Maybe TBBT can do a vaccine episode. "The Secret Hepatitis B of the American Teenager" is a thought.

QuoteJustMommies: Do you do no vaccinations, or do you select specific ones with your doctor?

Mayim Bialik: We have not vaccinated, but some people do selective vaccination. There is a recommended modified schedule that Dr. Sears has been recommending.

Okay, the non-vaccination thing is just nuts, but you know what?  I read that whole thing and it's clear that she adores her kids and is only trying to do what she thinks is best for them.  There's a limit to how far wrong you can go with that.  There are probably a billion children in this World who would love to have her kids' problems.

She's got a PhD in Neuroscience. I'm pretty sure she made a reasonably informed decision.

Yeah. There are no idiots with advanced degrees.

She's also a cosleeper, a decidedly risky activity, refused her kids speech therapy (apparently, the two-year-old hasn't spoken yet), suggests that homebirthing is "nothing to fear," and plays the holier-than-thou card for "unnatural" mommies who choose pain relief during childbirth rather than self-hypnosis, baths, and homeopathy.

She's also a cosleeper, a decidedly risky activity, refused her kids speech therapy (apparently, the two-year-old hasn't spoken yet), suggests that homebirthing is "nothing to fear," and plays the holier-than-thou card for "unnatural" mommies who choose pain relief during childbirth rather than self-hypnosis, baths, and homeopathy.
Quote
What's the problem with homebirthing, exactly?  As long as there's medical help on hand or within easy reach, there's a lot to be said for it.  We had both our kids in hospital because we didn't have the choice, as it turned out, but it's extremely common here in the Netherlands, and the infant mortality rates are well in line with the rest of Western Europe.

Also, what are the risks of cosleeping?  Unless you're stoned out of your fucking mind, there are none.  STonk and I never did it with the Tonklets but I don't give a flying fuck if it suits somebody else.  I'm surprised at you, Wheez.

We have spent far more nights with infants in our bed than without over the course of the past 3 years.

It's a fucking wonder we managed to get pregnant again.

I would never consider homebirthing for us, but to Tonk's point, if you have legitimate medical personnel on hand and it's a low-risk pregnancy, well...I still think you're fucking crazy, but that's your right.

That said, not vaccinating your children should be met with capital punishment.  
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Quality Start Machine on February 21, 2012, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: morpheus on February 21, 2012, 12:29:58 PM
Well, the US Consumer Product Safety Commission and American Academy of Pediatrics think there are risks (http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sleep/cosleeping.html)... Or so Google tells me.

Morph is on the side of BIG GUBMENT.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 01:23:37 PM
Quote from: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 12:22:36 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 11:22:31 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 21, 2012, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 21, 2012, 07:40:33 AM
Quote from: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 02:22:28 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 21, 2012, 01:26:02 AM
Oh, look, Dr. Blossom is a Mommy Menace (http://www.justmommies.com/celebrity-baby-updates/mayim-bialiks-parenting-style?page=0,0). Maybe TBBT can do a vaccine episode. "The Secret Hepatitis B of the American Teenager" is a thought.

QuoteJustMommies: Do you do no vaccinations, or do you select specific ones with your doctor?

Mayim Bialik: We have not vaccinated, but some people do selective vaccination. There is a recommended modified schedule that Dr. Sears has been recommending.

Okay, the non-vaccination thing is just nuts, but you know what?  I read that whole thing and it's clear that she adores her kids and is only trying to do what she thinks is best for them.  There's a limit to how far wrong you can go with that.  There are probably a billion children in this World who would love to have her kids' problems.

She's got a PhD in Neuroscience. I'm pretty sure she made a reasonably informed decision.

Yeah. There are no idiots with advanced degrees.

She's also a cosleeper, a decidedly risky activity, refused her kids speech therapy (apparently, the two-year-old hasn't spoken yet), suggests that homebirthing is "nothing to fear," and plays the holier-than-thou card for "unnatural" mommies who choose pain relief during childbirth rather than self-hypnosis, baths, and homeopathy.

What's the problem with homebirthing, exactly?  As long as there's medical help on hand or within easy reach, there's a lot to be said for it.  We had both our kids in hospital because we didn't have the choice, as it turned out, but it's extremely common here in the Netherlands, and the infant mortality rates are well in line with the rest of Western Europe.

As long as there's medical help within easy reach, the main thing to be said is that, in a best-case scenario (which does not generally exist in the U.S.), two out of three homebirthing deaths could have been prevented in a hospital, and no deaths in a hospital could have been prevented with homebirthing. (If one looks at the early history of Mothering, they simply took a blasé attitude toward the whole thing, since they were just going to be breeding away anyhow and were pretending to be frontierswomen.) If you really want me to start pulling the literature, well, I started it, so let me know.

Quote from: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 12:22:36 PMAlso, what are the risks of cosleeping?  Unless you're stoned out of your fucking mind, there are none.  STonk and I never did it with the Tonklets but I don't give a flying fuck if it suits somebody else.  I'm surprised at you, Wheez.

Remember that Bialik is now acting as a celebrity spokesperson. Nonetheless, you're asserting the tautology that there is no risk unless there is some risk factor. Even this is not true, as the risk of simply overlaying the child is inherent; what is true is that the numbers suggest that the safest arrangement for infants is sleeping in a crib in the parents' bedroom.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Wheezer on February 22, 2012, 01:14:57 PM
DPD, in two parts.

Quote from: Tonker on February 21, 2012, 12:22:36 PM
What's the problem with homebirthing, exactly?  As long as there's medical help on hand or within easy reach, there's a lot to be said for it.  We had both our kids in hospital because we didn't have the choice, as it turned out, but it's extremely common here in the Netherlands, and the infant mortality rates are well in line with the rest of Western Europe.

Infant mortality rates can be difficult to compare (http://www.google.com/url?url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_mortality%23Comparing_infant_mortality_rates&rct=j&q=u.s.+infant+mortaltiy+definition+compared&usg=AFQjCNFo4VwxaCmLIFX4f1ZkDn8PH6h0VA&sa=X&ei=0S9FT9MVhv2xAozsgcMP&ved=0CCcQygQwAA) depending on definitions. Let's take a look around anyway.

Regional Perinatal Mortality Differences in the Netherlands; Care is the Question (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2674436/?tool=pubmed)

QuotePerinatal mortality is an important indicator of health and the quality of health care [1]. Countries or regions are often compared using perinatal mortality rate. The position of the Netherlands in international comparative research is unfavourable. In 2003 the results of the PERISTAT study showed that Dutch perinatal mortality for the year 1999 was substantially higher compared to other European countries (stillbirth rate of 7.4 per 1,000 total births and early neonatal mortality of 3.5 per 1,000 live births) [1,2].

[1] Buitendijk S, Zeitlin J, Cuttini M, Langhoff-Roos J, Bottu J. Indicators of fetal and infant health outcomes. Eur J Obstet Gynecol Reprod Biol. 2003;111:S66–S77. doi: 10.1016/j.ejogrb.2003.09.007

[2] Zeitlin J, Wildman K, Breart G, Alexander S, Barros H, Blondel B, et al. PERISTAT: indicators for monitoring and evaluating perinatal health in Europe. Eur J Public Health. 2003;13:29–37. doi: 10.1093/eurpub/13.suppl_1.29

Over time: Decreasing Perinatal Mortality in The Netherlands, 2000–2006: A Record Linkage Study (http://jech.bmj.com/content/63/9/761.abstract)

QuoteResults: Perinatal mortality among singletons declined from 10.5 to 9.1 per 1000 total births in the period 2000–2006. This trend remained significant after full adjustment (odds ratio 0.97; 95% CI 0.96 to 0.98) and was present in both fetal and neonatal mortality. The decline was most prominent among births complicated by congenital anomalies, among premature births (32.0–36.6 weeks) and among term births. Home births showed the lowest mortality risk.

Conclusions: Dutch perinatal mortality declined steadily over this period, which could not be explained by changes in known risk factors including high maternal age and non-western ethnicity. The decline was present in all risk groups except in very premature births. The mortality level is still high compared with European standards.

Aha! Hospital births kill babies! Let's go a little further into the Dutch numbers.

Perinatal Mortality and Morbidity in a Nationwide Cohort of 529,688 Low-Risk Planned Home and Hospital Births (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19624439)

QuoteRESULTS: No significant differences were found between planned home and planned hospital birth (adjusted relative risks and 95% confidence intervals: intrapartum death 0.97 (0.69 to 1.37), intrapartum death and neonatal death during the first 24 hours 1.02 (0.77 to 1.36), intrapartum death and neonatal death up to 7 days 1.00 (0.78 to 1.27), admission to neonatal intensive care unit 1.00 (0.86 to 1.16).

CONCLUSIONS: This study shows that planning a home birth does not increase the risks of perinatal mortality and severe perinatal morbidity among low-risk women, provided the maternity care system facilitates this choice through the availability of well-trained midwives and through a good transportation and referral system.

Well, I guess that takes care of that. Unless we had a few methodological issues that needed sorting out.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Wheezer on February 22, 2012, 01:15:43 PM
Planned Home Compared With Planned Hospital Births in The Netherlands: Intrapartum and Early Neonatal Death in Low-Risk Pregnancies (http://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/Abstract/2011/11000/Planned_Home_Compared_With_Planned_Hospital_Births.11.aspx)

QuoteRESULTS: Intrapartum and neonatal death at 0–7 days was observed in 0.15% of planned home compared with 0.18% in planned hospital births (crude relative risk 0.80, 95% confidence interval [CI] 0.71–0.91). After case mix adjustment, the relation is reversed, showing nonsignificant increased mortality risk of home birth (OR 1.05, 95% CI 0.91–1.21). In certain subgroups, additional mortality may arise at home if risk conditions emerge at birth (up to 20% increase).

CONCLUSION: Home birth, under routine conditions, is generally not associated with increased intrapartum and early neonatal death, yet in subgroups, additional risk cannot be excluded.

I don't have full-text access, so I'll have to depend on the quoting accuracy of others (http://skepticalob.blogspot.com/2011/10/new-dutch-study-raises-troubling.html).

QuoteThe data from an otherwise very similar country such as Flanders suggest that more favorable results may be expected in low-risk women in general from a hospital-based system. In Flanders, perinatal mortality is approximately 33% less than in The Netherlands, whereas the cesarean delivery rates show little difference.

Further,

QuoteOur conclusions apparently contradict those of De Jonge et al [Perinatal Mortality and Morbidity, above] who concluded equal intrapartum and early neonatal outcome of planned home birth compared with hospital birth in apparently the same population.... Our principal [sic?] approach (natural prospective approach) compares neonatal mortality in the actual populations delivering at home compared with the hospital, whereas the approach of De Jonge et al compares neonatal mortality in a hypothetical group resembling our perfect guideline approach population.

So, (1) homebirth in the Netherlands is just as safe as hospital birth in ideal cases and (2) it appears that these cases are not being selected ideally enough. Now imagine mapping this to the U.S., where something like this (http://www.channel3000.com/news/13233850/detail.html) makes crunchy happy time:

QuoteLay midwives can legally deliver babies at home in Wisconsin beginning on Tuesday.

Lay midwives have been working for 25 years to have their profession and home births recognized by the state, as they are in 24 other states. Lay midwives are different from certified nurse midwives who hold master's degrees and are affiliated with a hospital or doctor.

The new law also frees the certified midwives from being tied to a health care provider.

Well, we can guess.

Neonatal Mortality in Missouri Home Births, 1978-84 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1647261/)

QuoteA study was conducted of 4,054 Missouri home births occurring from 1978 through 1984. Of the 3,645 births whose planning status was identified, 3,067 (84 per cent) were planned to be at home. Neonatal mortality was elevated for both planned (17 observed deaths vs 8.59 expected deaths) and unplanned home births (45 observed vs 33.19 expected) compared with physician-attended hospital births. Nearly all of the mortality excess for planned home births occurred in association with lesser trained attendants (12 observed vs 4.42 expected)....

Dr. Blossom's advocacy lies somewhere between somewhat increased risk and grossly increased risk, all for the sake of what really appears to be making sure those little snowflakes are strictly maintained as pure extensions of her ego.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: PenPho on February 22, 2012, 02:33:07 PM
Thanks a lot, Tonk.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: SKO on February 22, 2012, 02:46:47 PM
Quote from: PenPho on February 22, 2012, 02:33:07 PM
Thanks a lot, Tonk.

Somebody figured out how to put a quarter in Wheezer. You know, without mentioning the competency and utility of academic librarians.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 02:54:57 PM
We cosleep. I hate it. But it's not really my decision. My kid isn't dead yet.

There's your anecdotal evidence.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: CT III on February 22, 2012, 02:58:21 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 02:54:57 PM
We cosleep. I hate it. But it's not really my decision. My kid isn't dead yet.

There's your anecdotal evidence.

YOU'RE A MONSTER
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 22, 2012, 02:58:21 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 02:54:57 PM
We cosleep. I hate it. But it's not really my decision. My kid isn't dead yet.

There's your anecdotal evidence.

YOU'RE A MONSTER

It's the way the Norwegians do it. At least that's what my wife says. It is possible she's lying to me.

Anyway, at night he's the one kicking me around not vice versa.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on February 22, 2012, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 22, 2012, 02:58:21 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 02:54:57 PM
We cosleep. I hate it. But it's not really my decision. My kid isn't dead yet.

There's your anecdotal evidence.

YOU'RE A MONSTER

It's the way the Norwegians do it. At least that's what my wife says. It is possible she's lying to me.

Anyway, at night he's the one kicking me around not vice versa.

It's uncanny how little kids manage to push the adults to the edge of the bed.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 03:15:01 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 22, 2012, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 22, 2012, 02:58:21 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 02:54:57 PM
We cosleep. I hate it. But it's not really my decision. My kid isn't dead yet.

There's your anecdotal evidence.

YOU'RE A MONSTER

It's the way the Norwegians do it. At least that's what my wife says. It is possible she's lying to me.

Anyway, at night he's the one kicking me around not vice versa.

It's uncanny how little kids manage to push the adults to the edge of the bed.

He's got a strong kick. It also helps that he doesn't reach past my ribcage. I would have to stand up to kick him back.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: CT III on February 22, 2012, 04:22:11 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 03:15:01 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 22, 2012, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 22, 2012, 02:58:21 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 02:54:57 PM
We cosleep. I hate it. But it's not really my decision. My kid isn't dead yet.

There's your anecdotal evidence.

YOU'RE A MONSTER

It's the way the Norwegians do it. At least that's what my wife says. It is possible she's lying to me.

Anyway, at night he's the one kicking me around not vice versa.

It's uncanny how little kids manage to push the adults to the edge of the bed.

He's got a strong kick. It also helps that he doesn't reach past my ribcage. I would have to stand up to kick him back.

In terms of getting any actual sleep, co-sleeping sounds like the worst thing ever.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: PenPho on February 22, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 22, 2012, 04:22:11 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 03:15:01 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 22, 2012, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 22, 2012, 02:58:21 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 02:54:57 PM
We cosleep. I hate it. But it's not really my decision. My kid isn't dead yet.

There's your anecdotal evidence.

YOU'RE A MONSTER

It's the way the Norwegians do it. At least that's what my wife says. It is possible she's lying to me.

Anyway, at night he's the one kicking me around not vice versa.

It's uncanny how little kids manage to push the adults to the edge of the bed.

He's got a strong kick. It also helps that he doesn't reach past my ribcage. I would have to stand up to kick him back.

In terms of getting any actual sleep, co-sleeping sounds like the worst thing ever.

It's not really intended to meet the needs of the parents.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: PenPho on February 22, 2012, 04:48:22 PM
DPD.

Quote from: Blossom
Mayim Bialik: I don't call myself vegan in political vegan circles, because I do eat eggs if it is in something, or dairy if it is in something and I taste it, it is okay with me. Our son is raised pretty much the same. As I said, in political circles, vegans don't consider me vegan, but I don't eat dairy or eggs, or fish or anything with a face or a nervous system. If I am around vegans, I say I am a vegetarian who doesn't eat dairy or eggs. I also don't wear leather.

What kind of flip-flopping shit is this?


Also - is she still breastfeeding her 4 year old? 
It wasn't totally clear, but I got that notion.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: JD on February 22, 2012, 11:03:21 PM
Quote from: PenPho on February 22, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 22, 2012, 04:22:11 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 03:15:01 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 22, 2012, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 22, 2012, 02:58:21 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 22, 2012, 02:54:57 PM
We cosleep. I hate it. But it's not really my decision. My kid isn't dead yet.

There's your anecdotal evidence.

YOU'RE A MONSTER

It's the way the Norwegians do it. At least that's what my wife says. It is possible she's lying to me.

Anyway, at night he's the one kicking me around not vice versa.

It's uncanny how little kids manage to push the adults to the edge of the bed.

He's got a strong kick. It also helps that he doesn't reach past my ribcage. I would have to stand up to kick him back.

In terms of getting any actual sleep, co-sleeping sounds like the worst thing ever.

It's not really intended to meet the needs of the parents.

Guh, then why even do it then?


Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Tonker on February 23, 2012, 02:19:06 AM
Quote from: PenPho on February 22, 2012, 02:33:07 PM
Thanks a lot, Tonk.

You're welcome.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Quality Start Machine on February 23, 2012, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: PenPho on February 22, 2012, 04:48:22 PM
DPD.

Quote from: Blossom
Mayim Bialik: I don't call myself vegan in political vegan circles, because I do eat eggs if it is in something, or dairy if it is in something and I taste it, it is okay with me. Our son is raised pretty much the same. As I said, in political circles, vegans don't consider me vegan, but I don't eat dairy or eggs, or fish or anything with a face or a nervous system. If I am around vegans, I say I am a vegetarian who doesn't eat dairy or eggs. I also don't wear leather.

What kind of flip-flopping shit is this?


As a vegetarian who eats meat, I get where she's coming from.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on February 26, 2012, 12:31:29 PM
Fucking Indiana. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-parenting/post/measles-outbreak-after-super-bowl-ignites-vaccine-debate/2012/02/22/gIQAWNqPWR_blog.html)

QuoteThe most disturbing element of the mini outbreak is the potential for might have been. Measles has an incubation period of more than a week, so hundreds of thousands of fans might have been exposed. If the measles vaccine were not as widely used as it is now, this story would not be on a parenting blog. It would be front and center on every news outlet in the country.

In fact, the reason there was an outbreak at all was apparently because of the small but persistent group of people who refuse to vaccinate their children. According to the official quoted by PBS, 13 of those who have been diagnosed with measles in Indiana have said they had previously declined the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Wheezer on February 26, 2012, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on February 26, 2012, 12:31:29 PM
Fucking Indiana. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-parenting/post/measles-outbreak-after-super-bowl-ignites-vaccine-debate/2012/02/22/gIQAWNqPWR_blog.html)

QuoteThe most disturbing element of the mini outbreak is the potential for might have been. Measles has an incubation period of more than a week, so hundreds of thousands of fans might have been exposed. If the measles vaccine were not as widely used as it is now, this story would not be on a parenting blog. It would be front and center on every news outlet in the country.

In fact, the reason there was an outbreak at all was apparently because of the small but persistent group of people who refuse to vaccinate their children. According to the official quoted by PBS, 13 of those who have been diagnosed with measles in Indiana have said they had previously declined the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine.

That's up to 16 confirmed cases with 41 more under investigation. It seems to be centered on upscale Hamilton County, where the special-wisdom mommies gather to brood.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on February 26, 2012, 03:53:31 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on February 26, 2012, 12:31:29 PM
Fucking Indiana. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-parenting/post/measles-outbreak-after-super-bowl-ignites-vaccine-debate/2012/02/22/gIQAWNqPWR_blog.html)

QuoteThe most disturbing element of the mini outbreak is the potential for might have been. Measles has an incubation period of more than a week, so hundreds of thousands of fans might have been exposed. If the measles vaccine were not as widely used as it is now, this story would not be on a parenting blog. It would be front and center on every news outlet in the country.

In fact, the reason there was an outbreak at all was apparently because of the small but persistent group of people who refuse to vaccinate their children. According to the official quoted by PBS, 13 of those who have been diagnosed with measles in Indiana have said they had previously declined the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine.
Gonna be a lot more jobs for my kids when they grow up.  They'll have the advantage of being alive.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: CT III on February 26, 2012, 05:14:15 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 26, 2012, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on February 26, 2012, 12:31:29 PM
Fucking Indiana. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-parenting/post/measles-outbreak-after-super-bowl-ignites-vaccine-debate/2012/02/22/gIQAWNqPWR_blog.html)

QuoteThe most disturbing element of the mini outbreak is the potential for might have been. Measles has an incubation period of more than a week, so hundreds of thousands of fans might have been exposed. If the measles vaccine were not as widely used as it is now, this story would not be on a parenting blog. It would be front and center on every news outlet in the country.

In fact, the reason there was an outbreak at all was apparently because of the small but persistent group of people who refuse to vaccinate their children. According to the official quoted by PBS, 13 of those who have been diagnosed with measles in Indiana have said they had previously declined the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine.

That's up to 16 confirmed cases with 41 more under investigation. It seems to be centered on upscale Hamilton County, where the special-wisdom mommies gather to brood.

You tools of the pharmo-industrial complex just want to take away my freedom to protect my kid from your autism holocaust.

So fuck you, and your "pasteurized" milk too.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Wheezer on February 26, 2012, 06:48:33 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 26, 2012, 05:14:15 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 26, 2012, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on February 26, 2012, 12:31:29 PM
Fucking Indiana. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-parenting/post/measles-outbreak-after-super-bowl-ignites-vaccine-debate/2012/02/22/gIQAWNqPWR_blog.html)

QuoteThe most disturbing element of the mini outbreak is the potential for might have been. Measles has an incubation period of more than a week, so hundreds of thousands of fans might have been exposed. If the measles vaccine were not as widely used as it is now, this story would not be on a parenting blog. It would be front and center on every news outlet in the country.

In fact, the reason there was an outbreak at all was apparently because of the small but persistent group of people who refuse to vaccinate their children. According to the official quoted by PBS, 13 of those who have been diagnosed with measles in Indiana have said they had previously declined the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine.

That's up to 16 confirmed cases with 41 more under investigation. It seems to be centered on upscale Hamilton County, where the special-wisdom mommies gather to brood.

You tools of the pharmo-industrial complex just want to take away my freedom to protect my kid from your autism holocaust.

So fuck you, and your "pasteurized" milk too.

Fucking Indiana. (http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm206311.htm)

QuoteThe FDA is collaborating with the Michigan Department of Community Health (MDCH), the Illinois Department of Public Health, the Indiana State Board of Animal Health and the Indiana State Health Department, to investigate the outbreak. MDCH reports that, as of March 24, 2010, it received reports of 12 confirmed cases of illness from Campylobacter infections in consumers who drank raw milk. The raw milk originated from Forest Grove Dairy in Middlebury, Ind.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: PenPho on March 26, 2012, 07:06:05 PM
Looks like all this publicity paid off.

Mayim Bialik (and Joey Lawrence) got their very own Old Navy commercial. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/22/blossom-old-navy-commercial_n_1373583.html)
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on March 26, 2012, 07:12:06 PM
Quote from: PenPho on March 26, 2012, 07:06:05 PM
Looks like all this publicity paid off.

Mayim Bialik (and Joey Lawrence) got their very own Old Navy commercial. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/22/blossom-old-navy-commercial_n_1373583.html)

I blame PenFoe.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: PenPho on November 26, 2012, 10:55:10 AM
A sad chapter to this tale.  (http://http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/22/mayim-bialik-husband-to-divorce-after-9-years/)

But, just in case anyone was wondering:

Quote
Bialik's known for her passion about "attachment parenting," an approach that she embraces with her own family and has written about in a book called "Beyond the Sling." In her blog post Wednesday, she clarified that their "hands-on style of parenting" wasn't a factor in their split.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Tonker on November 26, 2012, 11:37:16 AM
Quote from: CT III on February 26, 2012, 05:14:15 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 26, 2012, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on February 26, 2012, 12:31:29 PM
Fucking Indiana. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-parenting/post/measles-outbreak-after-super-bowl-ignites-vaccine-debate/2012/02/22/gIQAWNqPWR_blog.html)

QuoteThe most disturbing element of the mini outbreak is the potential for might have been. Measles has an incubation period of more than a week, so hundreds of thousands of fans might have been exposed. If the measles vaccine were not as widely used as it is now, this story would not be on a parenting blog. It would be front and center on every news outlet in the country.

In fact, the reason there was an outbreak at all was apparently because of the small but persistent group of people who refuse to vaccinate their children. According to the official quoted by PBS, 13 of those who have been diagnosed with measles in Indiana have said they had previously declined the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine.

That's up to 16 confirmed cases with 41 more under investigation. It seems to be centered on upscale Hamilton County, where the special-wisdom mommies gather to brood.

You tools of the pharmo-industrial complex just want to take away my freedom to protect my kid from your autism holocaust.

So fuck you, and your "pasteurized" milk too.

We only use raw dairy products - milk, butter, cheese.  They're fucking delicious.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: PenPho on November 26, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 26, 2012, 11:37:16 AM
Quote from: CT III on February 26, 2012, 05:14:15 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on February 26, 2012, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on February 26, 2012, 12:31:29 PM
Fucking Indiana. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-parenting/post/measles-outbreak-after-super-bowl-ignites-vaccine-debate/2012/02/22/gIQAWNqPWR_blog.html)

QuoteThe most disturbing element of the mini outbreak is the potential for might have been. Measles has an incubation period of more than a week, so hundreds of thousands of fans might have been exposed. If the measles vaccine were not as widely used as it is now, this story would not be on a parenting blog. It would be front and center on every news outlet in the country.

In fact, the reason there was an outbreak at all was apparently because of the small but persistent group of people who refuse to vaccinate their children. According to the official quoted by PBS, 13 of those who have been diagnosed with measles in Indiana have said they had previously declined the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine.

That's up to 16 confirmed cases with 41 more under investigation. It seems to be centered on upscale Hamilton County, where the special-wisdom mommies gather to brood.

You tools of the pharmo-industrial complex just want to take away my freedom to protect my kid from your autism holocaust.

So fuck you, and your "pasteurized" milk too.

We only use raw dairy products - milk, butter, cheese.  They're fucking delicious.

We don't use any dairy products.

Because we're not baby cows.

Baaa.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 26, 2012, 12:25:01 PM
I guess if any thread was going to turn into an organic dick measuring contest, it might as well have been this one.

Quick... Someone get Oleg to drone on about the paleo diet or something.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: PenPho on November 26, 2012, 12:27:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 26, 2012, 12:25:01 PM
I guess if any thread was going to turn into an organic dick measuring contest, it might as well have been this one.

Quick... Someone get Oleg to drone on about the paleo diet or something.

My dick is actually not organic.

It is cage-free though.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: morpheus on November 26, 2012, 12:36:11 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 26, 2012, 12:25:01 PM
I guess if any thread was going to turn into an organic dick measuring contest, it might as well have been this one.

Quick... Someone get Oleg to drone on about the paleo diet or something.

Something something Huey TBFA something.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Bort on November 26, 2012, 12:57:27 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 26, 2012, 12:25:01 PM
I guess if any thread was going to turn into an organic dick measuring contest, it might as well have been this one.

Quick... Someone get Oleg to drone on about the paleo diet or something.

I think it's cute that Pen is using his probable lactose intolerance as an excuse to get high and mighty about being non-dairy.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: PenPho on November 26, 2012, 01:11:59 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 26, 2012, 12:57:27 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 26, 2012, 12:25:01 PM
I guess if any thread was going to turn into an organic dick measuring contest, it might as well have been this one.

Quick... Someone get Oleg to drone on about the paleo diet or something.

I think it's cute that Pen is using his probable lactose intolerance as an excuse to get high and mighty about being non-dairy.

Actually, I'm using my sons.

And he doesn't even have it anymore.

But if you think I'm going to pass up a golden opportunity to be better than you, you don't know me at all.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: R-V on November 26, 2012, 01:13:39 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 26, 2012, 01:11:59 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 26, 2012, 12:57:27 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 26, 2012, 12:25:01 PM
I guess if any thread was going to turn into an organic dick measuring contest, it might as well have been this one.

Quick... Someone get Oleg to drone on about the paleo diet or something.

I think it's cute that Pen is using his probable lactose intolerance as an excuse to get high and mighty about being non-dairy.

Actually, I'm using my sons.

And he doesn't even have it anymore.

But if you think I'm going to pass up a golden opportunity to be better than you, you don't know me at all.

Glad to hear your sons doesn't have it anymore.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on June 17, 2013, 12:20:14 AM
https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/346401668449042433

Quote from: Rob SchneiderVaccines are NOT immunization! Please read & don't poison your child!  (http://www.drkurtperkins.com/2012/05/my-crystal-clear-stance-on-vaccines.html?m=1)http://www.drkurtperkins.com/2012/05/my-cry...
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: CBStew on June 17, 2013, 09:06:01 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 17, 2013, 12:20:14 AM
https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/346401668449042433

Quote from: Rob SchneiderVaccines are NOT immunization! Please read & don't poison your child!  (http://www.drkurtperkins.com/2012/05/my-crystal-clear-stance-on-vaccines.html?m=1)http://www.drkurtperkins.com/2012/05/my-cry...

In addition to taking medical advice from Rob Schneider, I also look to him for investment strategies and career choices.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on June 17, 2013, 09:28:08 AM
Quote from: CBStew on June 17, 2013, 09:06:01 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 17, 2013, 12:20:14 AM
https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/346401668449042433

Quote from: Rob SchneiderVaccines are NOT immunization! Please read & don't poison your child!  (http://www.drkurtperkins.com/2012/05/my-crystal-clear-stance-on-vaccines.html?m=1)http://www.drkurtperkins.com/2012/05/my-cry...

In addition to taking medical advice from Rob Schneider, I also look to him for investment strategies and career choices.

How about 20th Century European History?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxYtPD3eIUw

QuoteIt can't be the government saying that. It's against the Nuremberg Laws.

So maybe it's not so much the mercury in vaccines that he objects to as the Jews blood.

Preserve our essence.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: CBStew on June 17, 2013, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 17, 2013, 09:28:08 AM
Quote from: CBStew on June 17, 2013, 09:06:01 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 17, 2013, 12:20:14 AM
https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/346401668449042433

Quote from: Rob SchneiderVaccines are NOT immunization! Please read & don't poison your child!  (http://www.drkurtperkins.com/2012/05/my-crystal-clear-stance-on-vaccines.html?m=1)http://www.drkurtperkins.com/2012/05/my-cry...

In addition to taking medical advice from Rob Schneider, I also look to him for investment strategies and career choices.

How about 20th Century European History?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxYtPD3eIUw

QuoteIt can't be the government saying that. It's against the Nuremberg Laws.

So maybe it's not so much the mercury in vaccines that he objects to as the Jews blood.

Preserve our essence.

It pains me to say that Rob is part Jewish.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: PenFoe on June 17, 2013, 10:31:49 AM
Quote from: CBStew on June 17, 2013, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 17, 2013, 09:28:08 AM
Quote from: CBStew on June 17, 2013, 09:06:01 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 17, 2013, 12:20:14 AM
https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/346401668449042433

Quote from: Rob SchneiderVaccines are NOT immunization! Please read & don't poison your child!  (http://www.drkurtperkins.com/2012/05/my-crystal-clear-stance-on-vaccines.html?m=1)http://www.drkurtperkins.com/2012/05/my-cry...

In addition to taking medical advice from Rob Schneider, I also look to him for investment strategies and career choices.

How about 20th Century European History?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxYtPD3eIUw

QuoteIt can't be the government saying that. It's against the Nuremberg Laws.

So maybe it's not so much the mercury in vaccines that he objects to as the Jews blood.

Preserve our essence.

It pains me to say that Rob is part Jewish.

Only the good part.

(http://www.virginmedia.com/images/molls-lorrainebracco-590x350.jpg)
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Tonker on June 25, 2013, 02:31:34 AM
For anybody that was wondering, she's still crazy (http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/mayim-bialik-doesn-t-want-fight-000748348.html).
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: CBStew on June 25, 2013, 02:59:45 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 25, 2013, 02:31:34 AM
For anybody that was wondering, she's still crazy (http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/mayim-bialik-doesn-t-want-fight-000748348.html).
Granted.  But at least she is not Rob Schneider.
Title: Re: Blossom
Post by: Quality Start Machine on June 25, 2013, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 25, 2013, 02:31:34 AM
For anybody that was wondering, she's still crazy (http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/mayim-bialik-doesn-t-want-fight-000748348.html).

SHE'S 37! SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO FIGHT YOU!