Wheeeeee! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-nate-schierholtz-head-injury-20140221,0,7148015.story)
QuoteProspect Javier Baez displayed an impressive power show during batting practice. Baez, who hit 37 home runs last season at Class-A Daytona and Double-A Tennessee, hit several home runs that cleared the 40-foot netting behind the left field fence at one practice field.
One of Baez's drives apparently smashed the window of a car parked between the field and Cubs Way.
"I heard a sound, and it was glass," said infielder Logan Watkins, who was shagging balls in the outfield. "The rumors are true (about Baez's power).''
As usual the well informed Trib commenters are classic. "Replace Schierholtz with Baez"
HATCHYERR BAYJUS
Quote from: Brownie on February 21, 2014, 03:41:43 PM
Wheeeeee! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-nate-schierholtz-head-injury-20140221,0,7148015.story)
QuoteProspect Javier Baez displayed an impressive power show during batting practice. Baez, who hit 37 home runs last season at Class-A Daytona and Double-A Tennessee, hit several home runs that cleared the 40-foot netting behind the left field fence at one practice field.
One of Baez's drives apparently smashed the window of a car parked between the field and Cubs Way.
"I heard a sound, and it was glass," said infielder Logan Watkins, who was shagging balls in the outfield. "The rumors are true (about Baez's power).''
Ah yes those rumors or as we laypeople call them "last year's statistics"
Quote from: Brownie on February 21, 2014, 03:41:43 PM
Wheeeeee! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-nate-schierholtz-head-injury-20140221,0,7148015.story)
QuoteProspect Javier Baez displayed an impressive power show during batting practice. Baez, who hit 37 home runs last season at Class-A Daytona and Double-A Tennessee, hit several home runs that cleared the 40-foot netting behind the left field fence at one practice field.
One of Baez's drives apparently smashed the window of a car parked between the field and Cubs Way.
"I heard a sound, and it was glass," said infielder Logan Watkins, who was shagging balls in the outfield. "The rumors are true (about Baez's power).''
The Smash-o-Meter is up to two. He broke some guy's window with another dong.
#1 Windshield:
https://twitter.com/gbsmith84/status/437017413159112706/photo/1
#2 Window:
http://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1ys258/javier_baez_owes_me_a_new_window/
Quote from: ChuckD on February 24, 2014, 09:21:00 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 21, 2014, 03:41:43 PM
Wheeeeee! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-nate-schierholtz-head-injury-20140221,0,7148015.story)
QuoteProspect Javier Baez displayed an impressive power show during batting practice. Baez, who hit 37 home runs last season at Class-A Daytona and Double-A Tennessee, hit several home runs that cleared the 40-foot netting behind the left field fence at one practice field.
One of Baez's drives apparently smashed the window of a car parked between the field and Cubs Way.
"I heard a sound, and it was glass," said infielder Logan Watkins, who was shagging balls in the outfield. "The rumors are true (about Baez's power).''
The Smash-o-Meter is up to two. He broke some guy's window with another dong.
#1 Windshield:
https://twitter.com/gbsmith84/status/437017413159112706/photo/1
#2 Window:
http://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1ys258/javier_baez_owes_me_a_new_window/
Step 1-- Ricketts family quietly purchases Chicago window makers
Step 2-- Bring Baez up.
Step 3-- Let him hit batting practice.
Step 4-- Profit from Rooftop owners until high replacement costs, inability to obtain homeowners insurance cause them to sell to the Ricketts family realitively.
Theo has everything convered, doesn't he?
Quote from: ChuckD on February 24, 2014, 09:21:00 AM
Quote from: Brownie on February 21, 2014, 03:41:43 PM
Wheeeeee! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-nate-schierholtz-head-injury-20140221,0,7148015.story)
QuoteProspect Javier Baez displayed an impressive power show during batting practice. Baez, who hit 37 home runs last season at Class-A Daytona and Double-A Tennessee, hit several home runs that cleared the 40-foot netting behind the left field fence at one practice field.
One of Baez's drives apparently smashed the window of a car parked between the field and Cubs Way.
"I heard a sound, and it was glass," said infielder Logan Watkins, who was shagging balls in the outfield. "The rumors are true (about Baez's power).''
The Smash-o-Meter is up to two. He broke some guy's window with another dong.
#1 Windshield:
https://twitter.com/gbsmith84/status/437017413159112706/photo/1
#2 Window:
http://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1ys258/javier_baez_owes_me_a_new_window/
This reminds me of when Shaq was a rookie and he kept "breaking" backboards and bringing down entire basket supports. Clearly David Stern made sure the baskets were going to break during Shaq's games, and now that he's retired from the NBA he's probably doing the same gimmick for baseball.
Send a Gold Coast Realtor to talk to Javy Now! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-javier-baez-home-run-20140303,0,6115623.story)
Quote from: Brownie on March 03, 2014, 02:45:56 PM
Send a Gold Coast Realtor to talk to Javy Now! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-javier-baez-home-run-20140303,0,6115623.story)
Nice choice, Jim.
Sincerely,
Eli
Quote from: Eli on March 03, 2014, 03:03:56 PM
Quote from: Brownie on March 03, 2014, 02:45:56 PM
Send a Gold Coast Realtor to talk to Javy Now! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-javier-baez-home-run-20140303,0,6115623.story)
Nice choice, Jim.
Sincerely,
Eli
Also his last choice.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 03, 2014, 03:10:31 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 03, 2014, 03:03:56 PM
Quote from: Brownie on March 03, 2014, 02:45:56 PM
Send a Gold Coast Realtor to talk to Javy Now! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-javier-baez-home-run-20140303,0,6115623.story)
Nice choice, Jim.
Sincerely,
Eli
Also his last choice.
FYC
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31513935/chcsea-olt-clobbers-a-solo-home-run-to-center-field)
JAVY AIRBAEZ! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514201/chcsea-baezs-monster-solo-shot-ties-ballgame-at-2)
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514369/chcsea-olts-second-solo-homer-ties-the-game-at-3)
Quote from: Tonker on March 13, 2014, 05:45:12 AM
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31513935/chcsea-olt-clobbers-a-solo-home-run-to-center-field)
JAVY AIRBAEZ! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514201/chcsea-baezs-monster-solo-shot-ties-ballgame-at-2)
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514369/chcsea-olts-second-solo-homer-ties-the-game-at-3)
Nike's R&D team better get working on the new Air Baez prototypes.
Olt also drove in a 3rd run with another well-hit ball. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514585/chcsea-olt-drives-in-his-third-run-of-the-ballgame)
Sploosh.
Quote from: ChuckD on March 13, 2014, 07:21:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on March 13, 2014, 05:45:12 AM
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31513935/chcsea-olt-clobbers-a-solo-home-run-to-center-field)
JAVY AIRBAEZ! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514201/chcsea-baezs-monster-solo-shot-ties-ballgame-at-2)
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514369/chcsea-olts-second-solo-homer-ties-the-game-at-3)
Nike's R&D team better get working on the new Air Baez prototypes.
Olt also drove in a 3rd run with another well-hit ball. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514585/chcsea-olt-drives-in-his-third-run-of-the-ballgame)
Sploosh.
MIKE OLT! is still racking up the Ks, but he's looking like he might make the roster.
Quote from: Fork on March 13, 2014, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on March 13, 2014, 07:21:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on March 13, 2014, 05:45:12 AM
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31513935/chcsea-olt-clobbers-a-solo-home-run-to-center-field)
JAVY AIRBAEZ! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514201/chcsea-baezs-monster-solo-shot-ties-ballgame-at-2)
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514369/chcsea-olts-second-solo-homer-ties-the-game-at-3)
Nike's R&D team better get working on the new Air Baez prototypes.
Olt also drove in a 3rd run with another well-hit ball. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514585/chcsea-olt-drives-in-his-third-run-of-the-ballgame)
Sploosh.
MIKE OLT! is still racking up the Ks, but he's looking like he might make the roster.
hell yeah I always wanted to relive the Shane Andrews experience.
Quote from: Slaky on March 13, 2014, 10:21:53 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 13, 2014, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on March 13, 2014, 07:21:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on March 13, 2014, 05:45:12 AM
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31513935/chcsea-olt-clobbers-a-solo-home-run-to-center-field)
JAVY AIRBAEZ! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514201/chcsea-baezs-monster-solo-shot-ties-ballgame-at-2)
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514369/chcsea-olts-second-solo-homer-ties-the-game-at-3)
Nike's R&D team better get working on the new Air Baez prototypes.
Olt also drove in a 3rd run with another well-hit ball. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514585/chcsea-olt-drives-in-his-third-run-of-the-ballgame)
Sploosh.
MIKE OLT! is still racking up the Ks, but he's looking like he might make the roster.
hell yeah I always wanted to relive the Shane Andrews experience.
He's just a placeholder. Either Baez or Bryant will get the long-term lease on 3B.
Quote from: Fork on March 13, 2014, 10:37:39 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 13, 2014, 10:21:53 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 13, 2014, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on March 13, 2014, 07:21:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on March 13, 2014, 05:45:12 AM
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31513935/chcsea-olt-clobbers-a-solo-home-run-to-center-field)
JAVY AIRBAEZ! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514201/chcsea-baezs-monster-solo-shot-ties-ballgame-at-2)
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514369/chcsea-olts-second-solo-homer-ties-the-game-at-3)
Nike's R&D team better get working on the new Air Baez prototypes.
Olt also drove in a 3rd run with another well-hit ball. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514585/chcsea-olt-drives-in-his-third-run-of-the-ballgame)
Sploosh.
MIKE OLT! is still racking up the Ks, but he's looking like he might make the roster.
hell yeah I always wanted to relive the Shane Andrews experience.
He's just a placeholder. Either Baez or Bryant will get the long-term lease on 3B.
Unless Bryant moves to the OF and Baez plays second, as many people are projecting.
Quote from: Eli on March 13, 2014, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 13, 2014, 10:37:39 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 13, 2014, 10:21:53 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 13, 2014, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on March 13, 2014, 07:21:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on March 13, 2014, 05:45:12 AM
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31513935/chcsea-olt-clobbers-a-solo-home-run-to-center-field)
JAVY AIRBAEZ! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514201/chcsea-baezs-monster-solo-shot-ties-ballgame-at-2)
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514369/chcsea-olts-second-solo-homer-ties-the-game-at-3)
Nike's R&D team better get working on the new Air Baez prototypes.
Olt also drove in a 3rd run with another well-hit ball. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514585/chcsea-olt-drives-in-his-third-run-of-the-ballgame)
Sploosh.
MIKE OLT! is still racking up the Ks, but he's looking like he might make the roster.
hell yeah I always wanted to relive the Shane Andrews experience.
He's just a placeholder. Either Baez or Bryant will get the long-term lease on 3B.
Unless Bryant moves to the OF and Baez plays second, as many people are projecting.
That's when JOSH VITNERS makes his glorious return from obscurity and begins hitting those 900 foot homeruns like he did in high school.
Quote from: Slaky on March 13, 2014, 10:21:53 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 13, 2014, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on March 13, 2014, 07:21:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on March 13, 2014, 05:45:12 AM
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31513935/chcsea-olt-clobbers-a-solo-home-run-to-center-field)
JAVY AIRBAEZ! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514201/chcsea-baezs-monster-solo-shot-ties-ballgame-at-2)
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514369/chcsea-olts-second-solo-homer-ties-the-game-at-3)
Nike's R&D team better get working on the new Air Baez prototypes.
Olt also drove in a 3rd run with another well-hit ball. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514585/chcsea-olt-drives-in-his-third-run-of-the-ballgame)
Sploosh.
MIKE OLT! is still racking up the Ks, but he's looking like he might make the roster.
hell yeah I always wanted to relive the Shane Andrews experience.
I'd take Shane Andrews the II over Willie Greene II
Quote from: SKO on March 13, 2014, 12:19:57 PM
Quote from: Slaky on March 13, 2014, 10:21:53 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 13, 2014, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on March 13, 2014, 07:21:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on March 13, 2014, 05:45:12 AM
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31513935/chcsea-olt-clobbers-a-solo-home-run-to-center-field)
JAVY AIRBAEZ! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514201/chcsea-baezs-monster-solo-shot-ties-ballgame-at-2)
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514369/chcsea-olts-second-solo-homer-ties-the-game-at-3)
Nike's R&D team better get working on the new Air Baez prototypes.
Olt also drove in a 3rd run with another well-hit ball. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514585/chcsea-olt-drives-in-his-third-run-of-the-ballgame)
Sploosh.
MIKE OLT! is still racking up the Ks, but he's looking like he might make the roster.
hell yeah I always wanted to relive the Shane Andrews experience.
I'd take Shane Andrews the II over Willie Greene II
If only Shane Andrews had retired after that game in Tokyo, we'd be talking about him as a Cubs legend.
Quote from: Tonker on March 13, 2014, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 13, 2014, 12:19:57 PM
Quote from: Slaky on March 13, 2014, 10:21:53 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 13, 2014, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on March 13, 2014, 07:21:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on March 13, 2014, 05:45:12 AM
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31513935/chcsea-olt-clobbers-a-solo-home-run-to-center-field)
JAVY AIRBAEZ! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514201/chcsea-baezs-monster-solo-shot-ties-ballgame-at-2)
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514369/chcsea-olts-second-solo-homer-ties-the-game-at-3)
Nike's R&D team better get working on the new Air Baez prototypes.
Olt also drove in a 3rd run with another well-hit ball. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514585/chcsea-olt-drives-in-his-third-run-of-the-ballgame)
Sploosh.
MIKE OLT! is still racking up the Ks, but he's looking like he might make the roster.
hell yeah I always wanted to relive the Shane Andrews experience.
I'd take Shane Andrews the II over Willie Greene II
If only Shane Andrews had retired after that game in Tokyo, we'd be talking about him as a Cubs legend.
Fuck you, Tonker. I didn't freeze my ass off in the snowy left field bleachers and watch Andrews tie up the Home Opener with a 3-run dong off of Kerry Ligtenberg and the defending NL champ Braves (in a game eventually won by JOLIET JEFF REED) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN200004100.shtml) to have some Aussie cunt ignore it like it never happened.
Quote from: SKO on March 13, 2014, 12:19:57 PM
Quote from: Slaky on March 13, 2014, 10:21:53 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 13, 2014, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on March 13, 2014, 07:21:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on March 13, 2014, 05:45:12 AM
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31513935/chcsea-olt-clobbers-a-solo-home-run-to-center-field)
JAVY AIRBAEZ! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514201/chcsea-baezs-monster-solo-shot-ties-ballgame-at-2)
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514369/chcsea-olts-second-solo-homer-ties-the-game-at-3)
Nike's R&D team better get working on the new Air Baez prototypes.
Olt also drove in a 3rd run with another well-hit ball. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514585/chcsea-olt-drives-in-his-third-run-of-the-ballgame)
Sploosh.
MIKE OLT! is still racking up the Ks, but he's looking like he might make the roster.
hell yeah I always wanted to relive the Shane Andrews experience.
I'd take Shane Andrews the II over Willie Greene II
Racist.
Quote from: Eli on March 13, 2014, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 13, 2014, 10:37:39 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 13, 2014, 10:21:53 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 13, 2014, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on March 13, 2014, 07:21:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on March 13, 2014, 05:45:12 AM
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31513935/chcsea-olt-clobbers-a-solo-home-run-to-center-field)
JAVY AIRBAEZ! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514201/chcsea-baezs-monster-solo-shot-ties-ballgame-at-2)
MY COLT! (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514369/chcsea-olts-second-solo-homer-ties-the-game-at-3)
Nike's R&D team better get working on the new Air Baez prototypes.
Olt also drove in a 3rd run with another well-hit ball. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26663958/v31514585/chcsea-olt-drives-in-his-third-run-of-the-ballgame)
Sploosh.
MIKE OLT! is still racking up the Ks, but he's looking like he might make the roster.
hell yeah I always wanted to relive the Shane Andrews experience.
He's just a placeholder. Either Baez or Bryant will get the long-term lease on 3B.
Unless Bryant moves to the OF and Baez plays second, as many people are projecting.
Unless Alcantra plays second, which many are projecting.
DA CUBS DONT NEED DOSE ALMORAH AND AIRBAYEZ GUYS WHEN DEY GOT DAT JUNIOR LAKE AN DAT MY COLT AN DAT LOU EASVALBWIENER MY FRENTS. (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/junior-lakes-three-homers-lead-way-in-cubs-win-over-as?ymd=20140323&content_id=69898670)
Is this thread about Baez or the 2014 Cubs? If the former, then is there a 2014 thread? I'm too lazy to look or re-read this whole thread to know for sure, but I really just want to say how much I enjoy watching MY COLT bat. His homerun yesterday came not only an inning after which he had made 2 errors at third (some of the first chances he's had this Spring after DHing and playing 1st, according to DeShaies--who really is outstanding (further digression--Deshaies pointed out how in a latter inning (7th?) yesterday with runners on second and third and 2 out, the schlub shortstop who's not even on the 40-Man stayed upright in going for a ball hit up the middle, because had he been able to pick it, he'd have been in position to throw the batter out, whereas--as Deshaies pointed out--had the shortstop just thrown himself at the ball and knock it down (the more realistic and heady move with a 3+ run lead), he'd have prevented the second runner, the runner on second, from also scoring. I kind of felt the same thing as it happened, so it was nice to hear Deshaies point that out -- that Olt actually didn't have few, if any, chances in his earlier start(s?) at 3rd this weekend as well as in the early innings of yesterday and he (Deshaies) claimed that Olt had previously enjoyed a reputation as a good defensive third baseman) but Olt was down in the count 1-2 and layed off some not awful pitches to work the count full before blasting one. I listened to an at-bat of his 8 days earlier (3/15) in the latter innigns of a game-tying situation and he had a 9 pitch at-bat before whiffing (that is to say that Olt has a good eye--BOOM).
Just wanted to say I'm starting to feel a genuine mini-chub over Olt's potential offensive prowess.
Quote from: PANK! on March 24, 2014, 06:24:50 AM
Is this thread about Baez or the 2014 Cubs? If the former, then is there a 2014 thread? I'm too lazy to look or re-read this whole thread to know for sure, but I really just want to say how much I enjoy watching MY COLT bat. His homerun yesterday came not only an inning after which he had made 2 errors at third (some of the first chances he's had this Spring after DHing and playing 1st, according to DeShaies--who really is outstanding (further digression--Deshaies pointed out how in a latter inning (7th?) yesterday with runners on second and third and 2 out, the schlub shortstop who's not even on the 40-Man stayed upright in going for a ball hit up the middle, because had he been able to pick it, he'd have been in position to throw the batter out, whereas--as Deshaies pointed out--had the shortstop just thrown himself at the ball and knock it down (the more realistic and heady move with a 3+ run lead), he'd have prevented the second runner, the runner on second, from also scoring. I kind of felt the same thing as it happened, so it was nice to hear Deshaies point that out -- that Olt actually didn't have few, if any, chances in his earlier start(s?) at 3rd this weekend as well as in the early innings of yesterday and he (Deshaies) claimed that Olt had previously enjoyed a reputation as a good defensive third baseman) but Olt was down in the count 1-2 and layed off some not awful pitches to work the count full before blasting one. I listened to an at-bat of his 8 days earlier (3/15) in the latter innigns of a game-tying situation and he had a 9 pitch at-bat before whiffing (that is to say that Olt has a good eye--BOOM).
Just wanted to say I'm starting to feel a genuine mini-chub over Olt's potential offensive prowess.
It's about Baez. Or more specifically, in the case of my last post, the Cubs no longer needing his services. His name is right there. PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
Quote from: Tonker on March 24, 2014, 07:00:59 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 24, 2014, 06:24:50 AM
Is this thread about Baez or the 2014 Cubs? If the former, then is there a 2014 thread? I'm too lazy to look or re-read this whole thread to know for sure, but I really just want to say how much I enjoy watching MY COLT bat. His homerun yesterday came not only an inning after which he had made 2 errors at third (some of the first chances he's had this Spring after DHing and playing 1st, according to DeShaies--who really is outstanding (further digression--Deshaies pointed out how in a latter inning (7th?) yesterday with runners on second and third and 2 out, the schlub shortstop who's not even on the 40-Man stayed upright in going for a ball hit up the middle, because had he been able to pick it, he'd have been in position to throw the batter out, whereas--as Deshaies pointed out--had the shortstop just thrown himself at the ball and knock it down (the more realistic and heady move with a 3+ run lead), he'd have prevented the second runner, the runner on second, from also scoring. I kind of felt the same thing as it happened, so it was nice to hear Deshaies point that out -- that Olt actually didn't have few, if any, chances in his earlier start(s?) at 3rd this weekend as well as in the early innings of yesterday and he (Deshaies) claimed that Olt had previously enjoyed a reputation as a good defensive third baseman) but Olt was down in the count 1-2 and layed off some not awful pitches to work the count full before blasting one. I listened to an at-bat of his 8 days earlier (3/15) in the latter innigns of a game-tying situation and he had a 9 pitch at-bat before whiffing (that is to say that Olt has a good eye--BOOM).
Just wanted to say I'm starting to feel a genuine mini-chub over Olt's potential offensive prowess.
It's about Baez. Or more specifically, in the case of my last post, the Cubs no longer needing his services. His name is right there. PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
Sorry, I didn't read your link because I WATCHED THE GAME YOU STUPID CHIEF.
Quote from: PANK! on March 24, 2014, 06:24:50 AM
Is this thread about Baez or the 2014 Cubs? If the former, then is there a 2014 thread? I'm too lazy to look or re-read this whole thread to know for sure, but I really just want to say how much I enjoy watching MY COLT bat. His homerun yesterday came not only an inning after which he had made 2 errors at third (some of the first chances he's had this Spring after DHing and playing 1st, according to DeShaies--who really is outstanding (further digression--Deshaies pointed out how in a latter inning (7th?) yesterday with runners on second and third and 2 out, the schlub shortstop who's not even on the 40-Man stayed upright in going for a ball hit up the middle, because had he been able to pick it, he'd have been in position to throw the batter out, whereas--as Deshaies pointed out--had the shortstop just thrown himself at the ball and knock it down (the more realistic and heady move with a 3+ run lead), he'd have prevented the second runner, the runner on second, from also scoring. I kind of felt the same thing as it happened, so it was nice to hear Deshaies point that out -- that Olt actually didn't have few, if any, chances in his earlier start(s?) at 3rd this weekend as well as in the early innings of yesterday and he (Deshaies) claimed that Olt had previously enjoyed a reputation as a good defensive third baseman) but Olt was down in the count 1-2 and layed off some not awful pitches to work the count full before blasting one. I listened to an at-bat of his 8 days earlier (3/15) in the latter innigns of a game-tying situation and he had a 9 pitch at-bat before whiffing (that is to say that Olt has a good eye--BOOM).
Just wanted to say I'm starting to feel a genuine mini-chub over Olt's potential offensive prowess.
This post is amazing. Someone should read it at your funeral.
Quote from: R-V on March 24, 2014, 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 24, 2014, 06:24:50 AM
Is this thread about Baez or the 2014 Cubs? If the former, then is there a 2014 thread? I'm too lazy to look or re-read this whole thread to know for sure, but I really just want to say how much I enjoy watching MY COLT bat. His homerun yesterday came not only an inning after which he had made 2 errors at third (some of the first chances he's had this Spring after DHing and playing 1st, according to DeShaies--who really is outstanding (further digression--Deshaies pointed out how in a latter inning (7th?) yesterday with runners on second and third and 2 out, the schlub shortstop who's not even on the 40-Man stayed upright in going for a ball hit up the middle, because had he been able to pick it, he'd have been in position to throw the batter out, whereas--as Deshaies pointed out--had the shortstop just thrown himself at the ball and knock it down (the more realistic and heady move with a 3+ run lead), he'd have prevented the second runner, the runner on second, from also scoring. I kind of felt the same thing as it happened, so it was nice to hear Deshaies point that out -- that Olt actually didn't have few, if any, chances in his earlier start(s?) at 3rd this weekend as well as in the early innings of yesterday and he (Deshaies) claimed that Olt had previously enjoyed a reputation as a good defensive third baseman) but Olt was down in the count 1-2 and layed off some not awful pitches to work the count full before blasting one. I listened to an at-bat of his 8 days earlier (3/15) in the latter innigns of a game-tying situation and he had a 9 pitch at-bat before whiffing (that is to say that Olt has a good eye--BOOM).
Just wanted to say I'm starting to feel a genuine mini-chub over Olt's potential offensive prowess.
This post is amazing. Someone should read it at your funeral.
I want to attend it.
Quote from: R-V on March 24, 2014, 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 24, 2014, 06:24:50 AM
Is this thread about Baez or the 2014 Cubs? If the former, then is there a 2014 thread? I'm too lazy to look or re-read this whole thread to know for sure, but I really just want to say how much I enjoy watching MY COLT bat. His homerun yesterday came not only an inning after which he had made 2 errors at third (some of the first chances he's had this Spring after DHing and playing 1st, according to DeShaies--who really is outstanding (further digression--Deshaies pointed out how in a latter inning (7th?) yesterday with runners on second and third and 2 out, the schlub shortstop who's not even on the 40-Man stayed upright in going for a ball hit up the middle, because had he been able to pick it, he'd have been in position to throw the batter out, whereas--as Deshaies pointed out--had the shortstop just thrown himself at the ball and knock it down (the more realistic and heady move with a 3+ run lead), he'd have prevented the second runner, the runner on second, from also scoring. I kind of felt the same thing as it happened, so it was nice to hear Deshaies point that out -- that Olt actually didn't have few, if any, chances in his earlier start(s?) at 3rd this weekend as well as in the early innings of yesterday and he (Deshaies) claimed that Olt had previously enjoyed a reputation as a good defensive third baseman) but Olt was down in the count 1-2 and layed off some not awful pitches to work the count full before blasting one. I listened to an at-bat of his 8 days earlier (3/15) in the latter innigns of a game-tying situation and he had a 9 pitch at-bat before whiffing (that is to say that Olt has a good eye--BOOM).
Just wanted to say I'm starting to feel a genuine mini-chub over Olt's potential offensive prowess.
This post is amazing. Someone should read it at your funeral.
As long as the open parantheticals are pointed out.
Quote from: Fork on March 24, 2014, 10:24:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on March 24, 2014, 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 24, 2014, 06:24:50 AM
Is this thread about Baez or the 2014 Cubs? If the former, then is there a 2014 thread? I'm too lazy to look or re-read this whole thread to know for sure, but I really just want to say how much I enjoy watching MY COLT bat. His homerun yesterday came not only an inning after which he had made 2 errors at third (some of the first chances he's had this Spring after DHing and playing 1st, according to DeShaies--who really is outstanding (further digression--Deshaies pointed out how in a latter inning (7th?) yesterday with runners on second and third and 2 out, the schlub shortstop who's not even on the 40-Man stayed upright in going for a ball hit up the middle, because had he been able to pick it, he'd have been in position to throw the batter out, whereas--as Deshaies pointed out--had the shortstop just thrown himself at the ball and knock it down (the more realistic and heady move with a 3+ run lead), he'd have prevented the second runner, the runner on second, from also scoring. I kind of felt the same thing as it happened, so it was nice to hear Deshaies point that out -- that Olt actually didn't have few, if any, chances in his earlier start(s?) at 3rd this weekend as well as in the early innings of yesterday and he (Deshaies) claimed that Olt had previously enjoyed a reputation as a good defensive third baseman) but Olt was down in the count 1-2 and layed off some not awful pitches to work the count full before blasting one. I listened to an at-bat of his 8 days earlier (3/15) in the latter innigns of a game-tying situation and he had a 9 pitch at-bat before whiffing (that is to say that Olt has a good eye--BOOM).
Just wanted to say I'm starting to feel a genuine mini-chub over Olt's potential offensive prowess.
This post is amazing. Someone should read it at your funeral.
I want to attend it.
Instead of placing flowers on his casket, everyone will just tap "unfriend" as they silently file past.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 24, 2014, 01:06:20 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 24, 2014, 10:24:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on March 24, 2014, 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 24, 2014, 06:24:50 AM
Is this thread about Baez or the 2014 Cubs? If the former, then is there a 2014 thread? I'm too lazy to look or re-read this whole thread to know for sure, but I really just want to say how much I enjoy watching MY COLT bat. His homerun yesterday came not only an inning after which he had made 2 errors at third (some of the first chances he's had this Spring after DHing and playing 1st, according to DeShaies--who really is outstanding (further digression--Deshaies pointed out how in a latter inning (7th?) yesterday with runners on second and third and 2 out, the schlub shortstop who's not even on the 40-Man stayed upright in going for a ball hit up the middle, because had he been able to pick it, he'd have been in position to throw the batter out, whereas--as Deshaies pointed out--had the shortstop just thrown himself at the ball and knock it down (the more realistic and heady move with a 3+ run lead), he'd have prevented the second runner, the runner on second, from also scoring. I kind of felt the same thing as it happened, so it was nice to hear Deshaies point that out -- that Olt actually didn't have few, if any, chances in his earlier start(s?) at 3rd this weekend as well as in the early innings of yesterday and he (Deshaies) claimed that Olt had previously enjoyed a reputation as a good defensive third baseman) but Olt was down in the count 1-2 and layed off some not awful pitches to work the count full before blasting one. I listened to an at-bat of his 8 days earlier (3/15) in the latter innigns of a game-tying situation and he had a 9 pitch at-bat before whiffing (that is to say that Olt has a good eye--BOOM).
Just wanted to say I'm starting to feel a genuine mini-chub over Olt's potential offensive prowess.
This post is amazing. Someone should read it at your funeral.
I want to attend it.
Instead of placing flowers on his casket, everyone will just tap "unfriend" as they silently file past.
Passing Pie, Patterson, and Harvey, sitting left-to-right in the front row.
Quote from: BH on March 24, 2014, 01:26:00 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 24, 2014, 01:06:20 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 24, 2014, 10:24:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on March 24, 2014, 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 24, 2014, 06:24:50 AM
Is this thread about Baez or the 2014 Cubs? If the former, then is there a 2014 thread? I'm too lazy to look or re-read this whole thread to know for sure, but I really just want to say how much I enjoy watching MY COLT bat. His homerun yesterday came not only an inning after which he had made 2 errors at third (some of the first chances he's had this Spring after DHing and playing 1st, according to DeShaies--who really is outstanding (further digression--Deshaies pointed out how in a latter inning (7th?) yesterday with runners on second and third and 2 out, the schlub shortstop who's not even on the 40-Man stayed upright in going for a ball hit up the middle, because had he been able to pick it, he'd have been in position to throw the batter out, whereas--as Deshaies pointed out--had the shortstop just thrown himself at the ball and knock it down (the more realistic and heady move with a 3+ run lead), he'd have prevented the second runner, the runner on second, from also scoring. I kind of felt the same thing as it happened, so it was nice to hear Deshaies point that out -- that Olt actually didn't have few, if any, chances in his earlier start(s?) at 3rd this weekend as well as in the early innings of yesterday and he (Deshaies) claimed that Olt had previously enjoyed a reputation as a good defensive third baseman) but Olt was down in the count 1-2 and layed off some not awful pitches to work the count full before blasting one. I listened to an at-bat of his 8 days earlier (3/15) in the latter innigns of a game-tying situation and he had a 9 pitch at-bat before whiffing (that is to say that Olt has a good eye--BOOM).
Just wanted to say I'm starting to feel a genuine mini-chub over Olt's potential offensive prowess.
This post is amazing. Someone should read it at your funeral.
I want to attend it.
Instead of placing flowers on his casket, everyone will just tap "unfriend" as they silently file past.
Passing Pie, Patterson, and Harvey, sitting left-to-right in the front row.
Those three will be paying the fuck attention while we all meander about the place aimlessly.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 24, 2014, 02:18:32 PM
Quote from: BH on March 24, 2014, 01:26:00 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 24, 2014, 01:06:20 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 24, 2014, 10:24:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on March 24, 2014, 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 24, 2014, 06:24:50 AM
Is this thread about Baez or the 2014 Cubs? If the former, then is there a 2014 thread? I'm too lazy to look or re-read this whole thread to know for sure, but I really just want to say how much I enjoy watching MY COLT bat. His homerun yesterday came not only an inning after which he had made 2 errors at third (some of the first chances he's had this Spring after DHing and playing 1st, according to DeShaies--who really is outstanding (further digression--Deshaies pointed out how in a latter inning (7th?) yesterday with runners on second and third and 2 out, the schlub shortstop who's not even on the 40-Man stayed upright in going for a ball hit up the middle, because had he been able to pick it, he'd have been in position to throw the batter out, whereas--as Deshaies pointed out--had the shortstop just thrown himself at the ball and knock it down (the more realistic and heady move with a 3+ run lead), he'd have prevented the second runner, the runner on second, from also scoring. I kind of felt the same thing as it happened, so it was nice to hear Deshaies point that out -- that Olt actually didn't have few, if any, chances in his earlier start(s?) at 3rd this weekend as well as in the early innings of yesterday and he (Deshaies) claimed that Olt had previously enjoyed a reputation as a good defensive third baseman) but Olt was down in the count 1-2 and layed off some not awful pitches to work the count full before blasting one. I listened to an at-bat of his 8 days earlier (3/15) in the latter innigns of a game-tying situation and he had a 9 pitch at-bat before whiffing (that is to say that Olt has a good eye--BOOM).
Just wanted to say I'm starting to feel a genuine mini-chub over Olt's potential offensive prowess.
This post is amazing. Someone should read it at your funeral.
I want to attend it.
Instead of placing flowers on his casket, everyone will just tap "unfriend" as they silently file past.
Passing Pie, Patterson, and Harvey, sitting left-to-right in the front row.
Those three will be paying the fuck attention while we all meander about the place aimlessly.
And we will all sing a rousing rendition of "Dnany Oby".
Quote from: Tonker on March 24, 2014, 04:59:23 AM
DA CUBS DONT NEED DOSE ALMORAH AND AIRBAYEZ GUYS WHEN DEY GOT DAT JUNIOR LAKE AN DAT MY COLT AN DAT LOU EASVALBWIENER MY FRENTS. (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/junior-lakes-three-homers-lead-way-in-cubs-win-over-as?ymd=20140323&content_id=69898670)
QuoteChicago has hit 33 home runs, which ranks among the Major League leaders this spring.
Damn it, Hartig, answer your emails.
Quote from: Fork on March 24, 2014, 03:01:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 24, 2014, 02:18:32 PM
Quote from: BH on March 24, 2014, 01:26:00 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 24, 2014, 01:06:20 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 24, 2014, 10:24:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on March 24, 2014, 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 24, 2014, 06:24:50 AM
Is this thread about Baez or the 2014 Cubs? If the former, then is there a 2014 thread? I'm too lazy to look or re-read this whole thread to know for sure, but I really just want to say how much I enjoy watching MY COLT bat. His homerun yesterday came not only an inning after which he had made 2 errors at third (some of the first chances he's had this Spring after DHing and playing 1st, according to DeShaies--who really is outstanding (further digression--Deshaies pointed out how in a latter inning (7th?) yesterday with runners on second and third and 2 out, the schlub shortstop who's not even on the 40-Man stayed upright in going for a ball hit up the middle, because had he been able to pick it, he'd have been in position to throw the batter out, whereas--as Deshaies pointed out--had the shortstop just thrown himself at the ball and knock it down (the more realistic and heady move with a 3+ run lead), he'd have prevented the second runner, the runner on second, from also scoring. I kind of felt the same thing as it happened, so it was nice to hear Deshaies point that out -- that Olt actually didn't have few, if any, chances in his earlier start(s?) at 3rd this weekend as well as in the early innings of yesterday and he (Deshaies) claimed that Olt had previously enjoyed a reputation as a good defensive third baseman) but Olt was down in the count 1-2 and layed off some not awful pitches to work the count full before blasting one. I listened to an at-bat of his 8 days earlier (3/15) in the latter innigns of a game-tying situation and he had a 9 pitch at-bat before whiffing (that is to say that Olt has a good eye--BOOM).
Just wanted to say I'm starting to feel a genuine mini-chub over Olt's potential offensive prowess.
This post is amazing. Someone should read it at your funeral.
I want to attend it.
Instead of placing flowers on his casket, everyone will just tap "unfriend" as they silently file past.
Passing Pie, Patterson, and Harvey, sitting left-to-right in the front row.
Those three will be paying the fuck attention while we all meander about the place aimlessly.
And we will all sing a rousing rendition of "Dnany Oby".
I'll be asleep somewhere in the back of the room.
Hopefully not mistaken for another Irish stiff.
Don't ever change, Huey.
Mike Olt sucks
Quote from: Slaky on March 25, 2014, 09:22:59 AM
Mike Olt sucks
There goes Slaky, insulating himself from pain by pre-emptively negating a player's potential upside.
Quote from: PANK! on March 25, 2014, 09:34:35 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 25, 2014, 09:22:59 AM
Mike Olt sucks
There goes Slaky, insulating himself from pain by pre-emptively negating a player's potential upside.
You would too if you were any smart
Quote from: Slaky on March 25, 2014, 09:37:34 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 25, 2014, 09:34:35 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 25, 2014, 09:22:59 AM
Mike Olt sucks
There goes Slaky, insulating himself from pain by pre-emptively negating a player's potential upside.
You would too if you were any smart
Jon Daniels has (I think) some smart, and he disagrees (http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/2014/03/jon-daniels-admits-concerns-about-garza-deal-with-chicago-cubs.html/) with your scouting report.
Quote"I thought way too short term with the Garza deal," Daniels told the Arizona Republic. "That one's got a chance to haunt us and haunt me."
Olt's 2013 was terrible. Before that, though, his OPSes were:
2010 Low A .854 (Age 21)
2011 High A .891 (Age 22)
2012 AA .977 (Age 23)
Bearing in mind that there was a clear explanation for his down year, and that the problem has now been fixed, I'd say he's still got the potential to be an extremely solid major league 3B. Ventura without the glove, maybe, if everything breaks right?
Quote from: Tonker on March 25, 2014, 09:52:46 AM
Olt's 2013 was terrible. Before that, though, his OPSes were:
2010 Low A .854 (Age 21)
2011 High A .891 (Age 22)
2012 AA .977 (Age 23)
Bearing in mind that there was a clear explanation for his down year, and that the problem has now been fixed, I'd say he's still got the potential to be an extremely solid major league 3B. Ventura without the glove, maybe, if everything breaks right?
No
Ron Cey?
Quote from: Tonker on March 25, 2014, 10:01:03 AMRon Cey?
Regardless of how Olt turns out, the important thing is that every major league dong he smacks will be served with a hearty side of FYS.
Quote from: R-V on March 25, 2014, 10:21:05 AM
Quote from: Tonker on March 25, 2014, 10:01:03 AMRon Cey?
Regardless of how Olt turns out, the important thing is that every major league dong he smacks will be served with a hearty side of FYS.
I hope so. I want to be fucked.
Quote from: Tonker on March 25, 2014, 09:52:46 AM
Ventura without the glove, maybe, if everything breaks right?
Jose Guillen without a glove? (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=847)
Quote from: Tonker on March 25, 2014, 09:52:46 AM
Olt's 2013 was terrible. Before that, though, his OPSes were:
2010 Low A .854 (Age 21)
2011 High A .891 (Age 22)
2012 AA .977 (Age 23)
Bearing in mind that there was a clear explanation for his down year, and that the problem has now been fixed, I'd say he's still got the potential to be an extremely solid major league 3B. Ventura without the glove, maybe, if everything breaks right?
It just depends if the eye issue is actually cleared up or not, so his past stats may not be relevant. If it's a chronic thing, he'll suck.
Also, I think the reports on his defense have been pretty good in the past. His recent struggles seem to do with the shoulder injury.
Loving the dual Mike Olt threads right now. I say we make every thread about him all season long. I'll keep posting the Boardwalk pics in every one too.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 25, 2014, 11:59:47 AM
Loving the dual Mike Olt threads right now. I say we make every thread about him all season long. I'll keep posting the Boardwalk pics in every one too.
What else is there
Quote from: InternetApex on March 25, 2014, 11:59:47 AM
Loving the dual Mike Olt threads right now. I say we make every thread about him all season long. I'll keep posting the Boardwalk pics in every one too.
Yesterday, people were discussing Huey's funeral in two different threads, so this seems like an improvement.
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2014, 12:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 25, 2014, 11:59:47 AM
Loving the dual Mike Olt threads right now. I say we make every thread about him all season long. I'll keep posting the Boardwalk pics in every one too.
Yesterday, people were discussing Huey's funeral in two different threads, so this seems like an improvement.
Tomorrow is Junior Lake Day, y'all.
Talk about Sportz!
But not that sportz.
Okay, that sportz, but not all of those sportz topics.
Okay, that sportz topic, but not too much.
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2014, 01:19:41 PM
Talk about Sportz!
But not that sportz.
Okay, that sportz, but not all of those sportz topics.
Okay, that sportz topic, but not too much.
BELTZ!
Quote from: Fork on March 25, 2014, 01:20:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2014, 01:19:41 PM
Talk about Sportz!
But not that sportz.
Okay, that sportz, but not all of those sportz topics.
Okay, that sportz topic, but not too much.
BELTZ!
/POSTZ
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2014, 12:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 25, 2014, 11:59:47 AM
Loving the dual Mike Olt threads right now. I say we make every thread about him all season long. I'll keep posting the Boardwalk pics in every one too.
Yesterday, people were discussing Huey's funeral in two different threads, so this seems like an improvement.
You and I are very different people sometimes.
Quote from: Bort on March 25, 2014, 05:36:17 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2014, 12:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 25, 2014, 11:59:47 AM
Loving the dual Mike Olt threads right now. I say we make every thread about him all season long. I'll keep posting the Boardwalk pics in every one too.
Yesterday, people were discussing Huey's funeral in two different threads, so this seems like an improvement.
You and I are very different people sometimes.
...and the other times you are the same person?
Quote from: Tonker on March 25, 2014, 10:01:03 AM
Ron Cey?
RonCe (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cedenro02.shtml)?
Quote from: Shooter on March 25, 2014, 07:21:59 PM
Quote from: Tonker on March 25, 2014, 10:01:03 AM
Ron Cey?
RonCe (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cedenro02.shtml)?
That guy has played eight years in the majors and earned getting on for $8MM, despite not being able to bat (career: 107 runs below average), run the bases (career: 3 runs below average), or field (career: 24 runs below average). In short, since 2005, various teams have collectively paid him a decent seven-figure sum to lose around ten more games for them than (and I think I'm correct in saying this) if they'd just played
me at SS.
Christ on a bike.
Quote from: Tonker on March 26, 2014, 02:43:07 AM
In short, since 2005, various teams have collectively paid him a decent seven-figure sum to lose around ten more games for them than (and I think I'm correct in saying this) if they'd just played me at SS.
No offense, but I don't think you're the statistical baseline for replacement level. Do they even have baseball in Austria?
Quote from: Eli on March 26, 2014, 09:30:56 AM
Quote from: Tonker on March 26, 2014, 02:43:07 AM
In short, since 2005, various teams have collectively paid him a decent seven-figure sum to lose around ten more games for them than (and I think I'm correct in saying this) if they'd just played me at SS.
No offense, but I don't think you're the statistical baseline for replacement level. Do they even have baseball in Austria?
They call it Rounders, and it's a sort of pastry filled with fish.
Baez has struck out 6 times in 3 games, one more than Brett Jackson.
Chuck, he's all yours.
Quote from: Fork on April 06, 2014, 09:14:16 AM
Baez has struck out 6 times in 3 games, one more than Brett Jackson.
Chuck, he's all yours.
He homered as a pinch-hitter yesterday.
Quote from: PANK! on April 07, 2014, 04:48:46 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 06, 2014, 09:14:16 AM
Baez has struck out 6 times in 3 games, one more than Brett Jackson.
Chuck, he's all yours.
He homered as a pinch-hitter yesterday.
FYC!
Quote from: Fork on April 06, 2014, 09:14:16 AM
Baez has struck out 6 times in 3 games, one more than Brett Jackson.
Chuck, he's all yours.
Brett Jackson is now 0-12 with 7 K's.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 07, 2014, 12:07:33 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 06, 2014, 09:14:16 AM
Baez has struck out 6 times in 3 games, one more than Brett Jackson.
Chuck, he's all yours.
Brett Jackson is now 0-12 with 7 K's.
Intrepid Reader: BC
Sounds like keeper material to me!
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 07, 2014, 12:07:33 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 06, 2014, 09:14:16 AM
Baez has struck out 6 times in 3 games, one more than Brett Jackson.
Chuck, he's all yours.
Brett Jackson is now 0-12 with 7 K's.
Remember (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110125&content_id=16499364&vkey=news_chc&c_id=chc) when Jackson was blowing future sunshine (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2011/2611106.html) right up everybody's (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/11301607-573/brett-jackson-is-ready-but-he-needs-an-opening.html) buttspot?
From that Baseball America article:
QuotePROJECTED 2014 LINEUP
Catcher: Geovany Soto
First Base: Tyler Colvin
Second Base: Starlin Castro
Third Base: Josh Vitters
Shortstop: Hak-Ju Lee
Left Field: Brandon Guyer
Center Field: Matt Szczur
Right Field: Brett Jackson
No. 1 Starter: Andrew Cashner
No. 2 Starter: Chris Archer
No. 3 Starter: Trey McNutt
No. 4 Starter: Carlos Zambrano
No. 5 Starter: Ryan Dempster
Closer: Carlos Marmol
Moral of the story: Prospects never work out, so sign Jeff Francoeur and Jeremy Hermida.
Quote from: Fork on April 06, 2014, 09:14:16 AM
Baez has struck out 6 times in 3 games, one more than Brett Jackson.
Chuck, he's all yours.
Nice (and last) choice, Jim.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 07, 2014, 01:33:25 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 06, 2014, 09:14:16 AM
Baez has struck out 6 times in 3 games, one more than Brett Jackson.
Chuck, he's all yours.
Nice (and last) choice, Jim.
That's weird, you'd think Jim would have made draft picks after the first round.
Quote from: BH on April 07, 2014, 01:59:51 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 07, 2014, 01:33:25 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 06, 2014, 09:14:16 AM
Baez has struck out 6 times in 3 games, one more than Brett Jackson.
Chuck, he's all yours.
Nice (and last) choice, Jim.
That's weird, you'd think Jim would have made draft picks after the first round.
He let Todd Ricketts make the rest of the picks.
Another homer today.
His ankle exploded and he died. He's on the DL.
Quote from: Slaky on April 13, 2014, 11:14:13 PM
His ankle exploded and he died. He's on the DL.
What?
Ankle sprain. 7-Day DL.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2014/04/13/cubs-top-prospect-javier-baez-dl/7671239/
Jesus, Slak.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2014, 09:17:19 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 13, 2014, 11:14:13 PM
His ankle exploded and he died. He's on the DL.
What?
Ankle sprain. 7-Day DL.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2014/04/13/cubs-top-prospect-javier-baez-dl/7671239/
Jesus, Slak.
He's dead.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 14, 2014, 09:51:12 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2014, 09:17:19 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 13, 2014, 11:14:13 PM
His ankle exploded and he died. He's on the DL.
What?
Ankle sprain. 7-Day DL.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2014/04/13/cubs-top-prospect-javier-baez-dl/7671239/
Jesus, Slak.
He's dead.
QuoteJavier Baez, the most polarizing, most discussed, and most hyped prospect in the Chicago Cubs' farm system, is at the center of attention again.
Unless "polarizing" can also mean "completely turgid pole-inducing," I have no idea what they're going on about there.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 14, 2014, 10:12:57 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 14, 2014, 09:51:12 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2014, 09:17:19 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 13, 2014, 11:14:13 PM
His ankle exploded and he died. He's on the DL.
What?
Ankle sprain. 7-Day DL.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2014/04/13/cubs-top-prospect-javier-baez-dl/7671239/
Jesus, Slak.
He's dead.
QuoteJavier Baez, the most polarizing, most discussed, and most hyped prospect in the Chicago Cubs' farm system, is at the center of attention again.
Unless "polarizing" can also mean "completely turgid pole-inducing," I have no idea what they're going on about there.
He's viewed by some as being a bit arrogant, given his skill set I'm not sure why that's surprising, he's awesome at baseball.
His teammates seem to like him. Being sassy and playing the game the right way can't happen at the same time.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 14, 2014, 10:12:57 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 14, 2014, 09:51:12 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2014, 09:17:19 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 13, 2014, 11:14:13 PM
His ankle exploded and he died. He's on the DL.
What?
Ankle sprain. 7-Day DL.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2014/04/13/cubs-top-prospect-javier-baez-dl/7671239/
Jesus, Slak.
He's dead.
QuoteJavier Baez, the most polarizing, most discussed, and most hyped prospect in the Chicago Cubs' farm system, is at the center of attention again.
Unless "polarizing" can also mean "completely turgid pole-inducing," I have no idea what they're going on about there.
"Pole-erizing"?
It's Des Moines. I bet that's just Iowan for "brown".
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 14, 2014, 10:19:35 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 14, 2014, 10:12:57 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 14, 2014, 09:51:12 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2014, 09:17:19 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 13, 2014, 11:14:13 PM
His ankle exploded and he died. He's on the DL.
What?
Ankle sprain. 7-Day DL.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2014/04/13/cubs-top-prospect-javier-baez-dl/7671239/
Jesus, Slak.
He's dead.
QuoteJavier Baez, the most polarizing, most discussed, and most hyped prospect in the Chicago Cubs' farm system, is at the center of attention again.
Unless "polarizing" can also mean "completely turgid pole-inducing," I have no idea what they're going on about there.
"Pole-erizing"?
It's Des Moines. I bet that's just Iowan for "brown".
Maybe they're referencing the sentiment put forth by mouthbreathers that he should have broken camp with the club to help them challenge for fourth place NOW NOW NOW.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 14, 2014, 09:51:12 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2014, 09:17:19 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 13, 2014, 11:14:13 PM
His ankle exploded and he died. He's on the DL.
What?
Ankle sprain. 7-Day DL.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2014/04/13/cubs-top-prospect-javier-baez-dl/7671239/
Jesus, Slak.
He's dead.
No look, he got up and he's walking away.
Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2014, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 14, 2014, 09:51:12 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2014, 09:17:19 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 13, 2014, 11:14:13 PM
His ankle exploded and he died. He's on the DL.
What?
Ankle sprain. 7-Day DL.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2014/04/13/cubs-top-prospect-javier-baez-dl/7671239/
Jesus, Slak.
He's dead.
No look, he got up and he's walking away.
NOPE. HE'S DEAD!
Is anybody else a little worried about his plate approach translating to a negative in the majors and potentially interfering with him reaching his ceiling? Not saying he's going to be a bust, but just think how dominant he could be if he insisted on hitting his pitch and refusing to swing at pitches he can't do anything with. I'm no less turgid, despite this concern.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 14, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
Is anybody else a little worried about his plate approach translating to a negative in the majors and potentially interfering with him reaching his ceiling? Not saying he's going to be a bust, but just think how dominant he could be if he insisted on hitting his pitch and refusing to swing at pitches he can't do anything with. I'm no less turgid, despite this concern.
"Turgid". Is that a "legal" word?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 14, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
Is anybody else a little worried about his plate approach translating to a negative in the majors and potentially interfering with him reaching his ceiling? Not saying he's going to be a bust, but just think how dominant he could be if he insisted on hitting his pitch and refusing to swing at pitches he can't do anything with. I'm no less turgid, despite this concern.
Look, if we have to start worrying about Javier Baez, I don't want to do any of this anymore.
Quote from: CBStew on April 14, 2014, 01:02:58 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 14, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
Is anybody else a little worried about his plate approach translating to a negative in the majors and potentially interfering with him reaching his ceiling? Not saying he's going to be a bust, but just think how dominant he could be if he insisted on hitting his pitch and refusing to swing at pitches he can't do anything with. I'm no less turgid, despite this concern.
"Turgid". Is that a "legal" word?
Depends on the jurisdiction.
Quote from: CBStew on April 14, 2014, 01:02:58 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 14, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
Is anybody else a little worried about his plate approach translating to a negative in the majors and potentially interfering with him reaching his ceiling? Not saying he's going to be a bust, but just think how dominant he could be if he insisted on hitting his pitch and refusing to swing at pitches he can't do anything with. I'm no less turgid, despite this concern.
"Turgid". Is that a "legal" word?
You practice in Northern California, and you have to ask? I'm pretty sure boners are a significant part of labor law in those parts.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 14, 2014, 01:13:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 14, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
Is anybody else a little worried about his plate approach translating to a negative in the majors and potentially interfering with him reaching his ceiling? Not saying he's going to be a bust, but just think how dominant he could be if he insisted on hitting his pitch and refusing to swing at pitches he can't do anything with. I'm no less turgid, despite this concern.
Look, if we have to start worrying about Javier Baez, I don't want to do any of this anymore.
FUCKING THI. I refuse to worry about Baez. The end.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 14, 2014, 01:13:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 14, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
Is anybody else a little worried about his plate approach translating to a negative in the majors and potentially interfering with him reaching his ceiling? Not saying he's going to be a bust, but just think how dominant he could be if he insisted on hitting his pitch and refusing to swing at pitches he can't do anything with. I'm no less turgid, despite this concern.
Look, if we have to start worrying about Javier Baez, I don't want to do any of this anymore.
Yeah. Given how the attempt at making Castro more patient turned out last year (which, tentatively, seems to have been reversed), maybe we should all just see how this one plays out and let Baez be Baez for a while.
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2014, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 14, 2014, 01:13:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 14, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
Is anybody else a little worried about his plate approach translating to a negative in the majors and potentially interfering with him reaching his ceiling? Not saying he's going to be a bust, but just think how dominant he could be if he insisted on hitting his pitch and refusing to swing at pitches he can't do anything with. I'm no less turgid, despite this concern.
Look, if we have to start worrying about Javier Baez, I don't want to do any of this anymore.
Yeah. Given how the attempt at making Castro more patient turned out last year (which, tentatively, seems to have been reversed), maybe we should all just see how this one plays out and let Baez be Baez for a while.
I think the Cubs were overthinking a little last year. Some guys (Bryant) will hit and be OPB machines, and other guys (Baez) will just hit and strike out more.
Either way, they're hitting the ever loving fuck out of the ball.
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2014, 04:06:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2014, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 14, 2014, 01:13:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 14, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
Is anybody else a little worried about his plate approach translating to a negative in the majors and potentially interfering with him reaching his ceiling? Not saying he's going to be a bust, but just think how dominant he could be if he insisted on hitting his pitch and refusing to swing at pitches he can't do anything with. I'm no less turgid, despite this concern.
Look, if we have to start worrying about Javier Baez, I don't want to do any of this anymore.
Yeah. Given how the attempt at making Castro more patient turned out last year (which, tentatively, seems to have been reversed), maybe we should all just see how this one plays out and let Baez be Baez for a while.
I think the Cubs were overthinking a little last year. Some guys (Bryant) will hit and be OPB machines, and other guys (Baez) will just hit and strike out more.
Either way, they're hitting the ever loving fuck out of the ball.
The only thing he's hitting the everloving fuck out of with his exploded ankle is all dem fine corn-fed honeys.
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2014, 04:06:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2014, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 14, 2014, 01:13:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 14, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
Is anybody else a little worried about his plate approach translating to a negative in the majors and potentially interfering with him reaching his ceiling? Not saying he's going to be a bust, but just think how dominant he could be if he insisted on hitting his pitch and refusing to swing at pitches he can't do anything with. I'm no less turgid, despite this concern.
Look, if we have to start worrying about Javier Baez, I don't want to do any of this anymore.
Yeah. Given how the attempt at making Castro more patient turned out last year (which, tentatively, seems to have been reversed), maybe we should all just see how this one plays out and let Baez be Baez for a while.
I think the Cubs were overthinking a little last year. Some guys (Bryant) will hit and be OPB machines, and other guys (Baez) will just hit and strike out more.
Either way, they're hitting the ever loving fuck out of the ball.
DPD. I'm not saying Baez should be turned into an On Percentage Base machine. Just saying that maybe, just maybe, he's not going to be a generational talent if he keeps swinging at every pitch, especially sliders in the dirt that not even Vladimir Guerrero would want any part of. I think he's going to fix that and be at the least a very good player, probably more, but we haven't seen that yet is all.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 14, 2014, 04:38:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2014, 04:06:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2014, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 14, 2014, 01:13:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 14, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
Is anybody else a little worried about his plate approach translating to a negative in the majors and potentially interfering with him reaching his ceiling? Not saying he's going to be a bust, but just think how dominant he could be if he insisted on hitting his pitch and refusing to swing at pitches he can't do anything with. I'm no less turgid, despite this concern.
Look, if we have to start worrying about Javier Baez, I don't want to do any of this anymore.
Yeah. Given how the attempt at making Castro more patient turned out last year (which, tentatively, seems to have been reversed), maybe we should all just see how this one plays out and let Baez be Baez for a while.
I think the Cubs were overthinking a little last year. Some guys (Bryant) will hit and be OPB machines, and other guys (Baez) will just hit and strike out more.
Either way, they're hitting the ever loving fuck out of the ball.
The only thing he's hitting the everloving fuck out of with his exploded ankle is all dem fine corn-fed honeys.
Chicks in Iowa dig a guy who has his own belt.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 14, 2014, 04:42:18 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2014, 04:06:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2014, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 14, 2014, 01:13:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 14, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
Is anybody else a little worried about his plate approach translating to a negative in the majors and potentially interfering with him reaching his ceiling? Not saying he's going to be a bust, but just think how dominant he could be if he insisted on hitting his pitch and refusing to swing at pitches he can't do anything with. I'm no less turgid, despite this concern.
Look, if we have to start worrying about Javier Baez, I don't want to do any of this anymore.
Yeah. Given how the attempt at making Castro more patient turned out last year (which, tentatively, seems to have been reversed), maybe we should all just see how this one plays out and let Baez be Baez for a while.
I think the Cubs were overthinking a little last year. Some guys (Bryant) will hit and be OPB machines, and other guys (Baez) will just hit and strike out more.
Either way, they're hitting the ever loving fuck out of the ball.
DPD. I'm not saying Baez should be turned into an On Percentage Base machine. Just saying that maybe, just maybe, he's not going to be a generational talent if he keeps swinging at every pitch, especially sliders in the dirt that not even Vladimir Guerrero would want any part of. I think he's going to fix that and be at the least a very good player, probably more, but we haven't seen that yet is all.
Fuck sake.
Baez will be fine. As of today's Bryant's maybe jockeyed ahead of him but who gives a shit? More reason to get me excited. So now Baez'll sit out for a bit-kid's had a little rough 2 week start, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to slow it down after the hype he mashed through in Mesa. Something something the future's *full* of peaks and valleys. Like I said--shut up, Archer- Baez will be fine in any event. Meanwhile, Almora's off to a solid start, and we haven't even heard from future TE Jorge Soler.
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2014, 06:25:53 AM
Baez will be fine. As of today's Bryant's maybe jockeyed ahead of him but who gives a shit? More reason to get me excited. So now Baez'll sit out for a bit-kid's had a little rough 2 week start, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to slow it down after the hype he mashed through in Mesa. Something something the future's *full* of peaks and valleys. Like I said--shut up, Archer- Baez will be fine in any event. Meanwhile, Almora's off to a solid start, and we haven't even heard from future TE Jorge Soler.
Plus, Baez always seems to take a little bit to adjust to a new level. If he's still scuffling after 200-300 at-bats there, maybe we can start worrying a bit about him chasing breaking balls in the dirt.
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2014, 08:29:13 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2014, 06:25:53 AM
Baez will be fine. As of today's Bryant's maybe jockeyed ahead of him but who gives a shit? More reason to get me excited. So now Baez'll sit out for a bit-kid's had a little rough 2 week start, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to slow it down after the hype he mashed through in Mesa. Something something the future's *full* of peaks and valleys. Like I said--shut up, Archer- Baez will be fine in any event. Meanwhile, Almora's off to a solid start, and we haven't even heard from future TE Jorge Soler.
Plus, Baez always seems to take a little bit to adjust to a new level. If he's still scuffling after 200-300 at-bats there, maybe we can start worrying a bit about him chasing breaking balls in the dirt.
Plus there are lots of really good power hitters who just strike out a lot. That's OK
Last year in AA he struck out about 25% of the time while racking up an OPS of .983.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of really fucking good.
His walk rate has also gone up a bit each year and level:
2011 (Rookie): 0% (18 at-bat sample size, but he didn't walk)
2012 (A): 3.3%
2012 (A+): 5.8%
2013 (A+): 6.2%
2013 (AA): 7.9%
Point is, he's learning. The previously-cited Vlad Guerrero had a career walk rate of 8% and while Baez probably won't be quite that good of a hitter overall, if he's even Vlad-lite from a middle infield spot, we should all be extremely happy.*
* Except for Chuck, who will probably declare that Baez reminds him of early-career Soriano (just "without the stolen bases") and embark on a decade-long hatefest.
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2014, 09:12:44 AM
His walk rate has also gone up a bit each year and level:
2011 (Rookie): 0% (18 at-bat sample size, but he didn't walk)
2012 (A): 3.3%
2012 (A+): 5.8%
2013 (A+): 6.2%
2013 (AA): 7.9%
Point is, he's learning. The previously-cited Vlad Guerrero had a career walk rate of 8% and while Baez probably won't be quite that good of a hitter overall, if he's even Vlad-lite from a middle infield spot, we should all be extremely happy.*
* Except for Chuck, who will probably declare that Baez reminds him of early-career Soriano (just "without the stolen bases") and embark on a decade-long hatefest.
Which gives us a decade of FYCs to luxuriate in.
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2014, 09:12:44 AM
His walk rate has also gone up a bit each year and level:
2011 (Rookie): 0% (18 at-bat sample size, but he didn't walk)
2012 (A): 3.3%
2012 (A+): 5.8%
2013 (A+): 6.2%
2013 (AA): 7.9%
Point is, he's learning. The previously-cited Vlad Guerrero had a career walk rate of 8% and while Baez probably won't be quite that good of a hitter overall, if he's even Vlad-lite from a middle infield spot, we should all be extremely happy.*
* Except for Chuck, who will probably declare that Baez reminds him of early-career Soriano (just "without the stolen bases") and embark on a decade-long hatefest.
Exactly. Hell, If Baez ends up as a .270/30/85/.330/.500 hitter at 2nd base or SS are we really going to act like that's a letdown?
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2014, 09:32:51 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2014, 09:12:44 AM
His walk rate has also gone up a bit each year and level:
2011 (Rookie): 0% (18 at-bat sample size, but he didn't walk)
2012 (A): 3.3%
2012 (A+): 5.8%
2013 (A+): 6.2%
2013 (AA): 7.9%
Point is, he's learning. The previously-cited Vlad Guerrero had a career walk rate of 8% and while Baez probably won't be quite that good of a hitter overall, if he's even Vlad-lite from a middle infield spot, we should all be extremely happy.*
* Except for Chuck, who will probably declare that Baez reminds him of early-career Soriano (just "without the stolen bases") and embark on a decade-long hatefest.
Exactly. Hell, If Baez ends up as a .270/30/85/.330/.500 hitter at 2nd base or SS are we really going to act like that's a letdown?
If he hits 30 dongs and only ends up with 85 RBI, that's no gouda.
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2014, 06:25:53 AM
Baez will be fine. As of today's Bryant's maybe jockeyed ahead of him but who gives a shit? More reason to get me excited. So now Baez'll sit out for a bit-kid's had a little rough 2 week start, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to slow it down after the hype he mashed through in Mesa. Something something the future's *full* of peaks and valleys. Like I said--shut up, Archer- Baez will be fine in any event. Meanwhile, Almora's off to a solid start, and we haven't even heard from future TE Jorge Soler.
Jorge Soler plays football?
I don't understand this at all.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 15, 2014, 10:10:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2014, 06:25:53 AM
Baez will be fine. As of today's Bryant's maybe jockeyed ahead of him but who gives a shit? More reason to get me excited. So now Baez'll sit out for a bit-kid's had a little rough 2 week start, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to slow it down after the hype he mashed through in Mesa. Something something the future's *full* of peaks and valleys. Like I said--shut up, Archer- Baez will be fine in any event. Meanwhile, Almora's off to a solid start, and we haven't even heard from future TE Jorge Soler.
Jorge Soler plays football?
I don't understand this at all.
Maybe from this? (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10622213/theo-epstein-plans-rebuild-chicago-cubs-blueprint-boston-espn-magazine)
QuoteBeyond the draft, the Cubs spent $30 million on powerful Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler, of whom GM Jed Hoyer says, "If he'd grown up in this country, he'd be a defensive end."
Quote from: Yeti on April 15, 2014, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 15, 2014, 10:10:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2014, 06:25:53 AM
Baez will be fine. As of today's Bryant's maybe jockeyed ahead of him but who gives a shit? More reason to get me excited. So now Baez'll sit out for a bit-kid's had a little rough 2 week start, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to slow it down after the hype he mashed through in Mesa. Something something the future's *full* of peaks and valleys. Like I said--shut up, Archer- Baez will be fine in any event. Meanwhile, Almora's off to a solid start, and we haven't even heard from future TE Jorge Soler.
Jorge Soler plays football?
I don't understand this at all.
Maybe from this? (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10622213/theo-epstein-plans-rebuild-chicago-cubs-blueprint-boston-espn-magazine)
QuoteBeyond the draft, the Cubs spent $30 million on powerful Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler, of whom GM Jed Hoyer says, "If he'd grown up in this country, he'd be a defensive end."
And Defensive Ends pick up the Tight End in the 11-on-11 defensive scheme. Geez, I thought you played football, man.
Quote from: Fork on April 15, 2014, 10:26:32 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 15, 2014, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 15, 2014, 10:10:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2014, 06:25:53 AM
Baez will be fine. As of today's Bryant's maybe jockeyed ahead of him but who gives a shit? More reason to get me excited. So now Baez'll sit out for a bit-kid's had a little rough 2 week start, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to slow it down after the hype he mashed through in Mesa. Something something the future's *full* of peaks and valleys. Like I said--shut up, Archer- Baez will be fine in any event. Meanwhile, Almora's off to a solid start, and we haven't even heard from future TE Jorge Soler.
Jorge Soler plays football?
I don't understand this at all.
Maybe from this? (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10622213/theo-epstein-plans-rebuild-chicago-cubs-blueprint-boston-espn-magazine)
QuoteBeyond the draft, the Cubs spent $30 million on powerful Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler, of whom GM Jed Hoyer says, "If he'd grown up in this country, he'd be a defensive end."
And Defensive Ends pick up the Tight End in the 11-on-11 defensive scheme. Geez, I thought you played football, man.
Not sure if I'd have the DEs pickup the TE in the 11-on-11 d scheme. I'd suspect you'd want an OLB to do that, maybe.
Quote from: Yeti on April 15, 2014, 10:57:12 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 15, 2014, 10:26:32 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 15, 2014, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 15, 2014, 10:10:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2014, 06:25:53 AM
Baez will be fine. As of today's Bryant's maybe jockeyed ahead of him but who gives a shit? More reason to get me excited. So now Baez'll sit out for a bit-kid's had a little rough 2 week start, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to slow it down after the hype he mashed through in Mesa. Something something the future's *full* of peaks and valleys. Like I said--shut up, Archer- Baez will be fine in any event. Meanwhile, Almora's off to a solid start, and we haven't even heard from future TE Jorge Soler.
Jorge Soler plays football?
I don't understand this at all.
Maybe from this? (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10622213/theo-epstein-plans-rebuild-chicago-cubs-blueprint-boston-espn-magazine)
QuoteBeyond the draft, the Cubs spent $30 million on powerful Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler, of whom GM Jed Hoyer says, "If he'd grown up in this country, he'd be a defensive end."
And Defensive Ends pick up the Tight End in the 11-on-11 defensive scheme. Geez, I thought you played football, man.
Not sure if I'd have the DEs pickup the TE in the 11-on-11 d scheme. I'd suspect you'd want an OLB to do that, maybe.
DE's pick up the TE (Tackle-Eligible).
Quote from: InternetApex on April 15, 2014, 11:09:02 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 15, 2014, 10:57:12 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 15, 2014, 10:26:32 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 15, 2014, 10:23:48 AM
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Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2014, 06:25:53 AM
Baez will be fine. As of today's Bryant's maybe jockeyed ahead of him but who gives a shit? More reason to get me excited. So now Baez'll sit out for a bit-kid's had a little rough 2 week start, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to slow it down after the hype he mashed through in Mesa. Something something the future's *full* of peaks and valleys. Like I said--shut up, Archer- Baez will be fine in any event. Meanwhile, Almora's off to a solid start, and we haven't even heard from future TE Jorge Soler.
Jorge Soler plays football?
I don't understand this at all.
Maybe from this? (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10622213/theo-epstein-plans-rebuild-chicago-cubs-blueprint-boston-espn-magazine)
QuoteBeyond the draft, the Cubs spent $30 million on powerful Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler, of whom GM Jed Hoyer says, "If he'd grown up in this country, he'd be a defensive end."
And Defensive Ends pick up the Tight End in the 11-on-11 defensive scheme. Geez, I thought you played football, man.
Not sure if I'd have the DEs pickup the TE in the 11-on-11 d scheme. I'd suspect you'd want an OLB to do that, maybe.
DE's pick up the TE (Tackle-Eligible).
we're getting really close to 43-man Squamish terriroty here.
Quote from: Fork on April 15, 2014, 11:20:16 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 15, 2014, 11:09:02 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 15, 2014, 10:57:12 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 15, 2014, 10:26:32 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 15, 2014, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 15, 2014, 10:10:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2014, 06:25:53 AM
Baez will be fine. As of today's Bryant's maybe jockeyed ahead of him but who gives a shit? More reason to get me excited. So now Baez'll sit out for a bit-kid's had a little rough 2 week start, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to slow it down after the hype he mashed through in Mesa. Something something the future's *full* of peaks and valleys. Like I said--shut up, Archer- Baez will be fine in any event. Meanwhile, Almora's off to a solid start, and we haven't even heard from future TE Jorge Soler.
Jorge Soler plays football?
I don't understand this at all.
Maybe from this? (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10622213/theo-epstein-plans-rebuild-chicago-cubs-blueprint-boston-espn-magazine)
QuoteBeyond the draft, the Cubs spent $30 million on powerful Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler, of whom GM Jed Hoyer says, "If he'd grown up in this country, he'd be a defensive end."
And Defensive Ends pick up the Tight End in the 11-on-11 defensive scheme. Geez, I thought you played football, man.
Not sure if I'd have the DEs pickup the TE in the 11-on-11 d scheme. I'd suspect you'd want an OLB to do that, maybe.
DE's pick up the TE (Tackle-Eligible).
we're getting really close to 43-man Squamish terriroty here.
Theriot?
Tight End, Defensive End. Whatever. Apparently the guy's pretty big.
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2014, 12:10:47 PM
Tight End, Defensive End. Whatever. Apparently the guy's pretty big.
As others apparently are.
I think y'all who are worrying about or not worrying or whatever about Baez are missing the point a bit. The Cubs have a ton of amazing minor league talent. 7 of the top BP101 and that doesn't really include all the international talent they signed last year (top two available, per BA). Plus they have the fourth pick in June.
So, take it easy, Tonker and Pen.
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2014, 09:33:57 PM
I think y'all who are worrying about or not worrying or whatever about Baez are missing the point a bit. The Cubs have a ton of amazing minor league talent. 7 of the top BP101 and that doesn't really include all the international talent they signed last year (top two available, per BA). Plus they have the fourth pick in June.
So, take it easy, Tonker and Pen.
I, too, am excited about the talent that the Cubs have, and am confident that some or all of it is going to make a significant difference to their fortunes in the very near future. Huzzah! Indeed, it's
precisely because of this that getting one's knickers in a knot about Baez' performance after a couple of weeks of a new season at a higher level is utterly, utterly, UTTERLY FUCKING RIDICULOUS.
Quote from: Tonker on April 16, 2014, 02:24:08 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2014, 09:33:57 PM
I think y'all who are worrying about or not worrying or whatever about Baez are missing the point a bit. The Cubs have a ton of amazing minor league talent. 7 of the top BP101 and that doesn't really include all the international talent they signed last year (top two available, per BA). Plus they have the fourth pick in June.
So, take it easy, Tonker and Pen.
I, too, am excited about the talent that the Cubs have, and am confident that some or all of it is going to make a significant difference to their fortunes in the very near future. Huzzah! Indeed, it's precisely because of this that getting one's knickers in a knot about Baez' performance after a couple of weeks of a new season at a higher level is utterly, utterly, UTTERLY FUCKING RIDICULOUS.
Yeah. And if there was anyone here reacting to the last couple weeks I'm sure this great point would have changed his mind.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 16, 2014, 02:44:08 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 16, 2014, 02:24:08 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2014, 09:33:57 PM
I think y'all who are worrying about or not worrying or whatever about Baez are missing the point a bit. The Cubs have a ton of amazing minor league talent. 7 of the top BP101 and that doesn't really include all the international talent they signed last year (top two available, per BA). Plus they have the fourth pick in June.
So, take it easy, Tonker and Pen.
I, too, am excited about the talent that the Cubs have, and am confident that some or all of it is going to make a significant difference to their fortunes in the very near future. Huzzah! Indeed, it's precisely because of this that getting one's knickers in a knot about Baez' performance after a couple of weeks of a new season at a higher level is utterly, utterly, UTTERLY FUCKING RIDICULOUS.
Yeah. And if there was anyone here reacting to the last couple weeks I'm sure this great point would have changed his mind.
If Baez had started in AAA the way he finished in AA, there's no fucking way we're having this conversation now.
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2014, 09:33:57 PM
I think y'all who are worrying about or not worrying or whatever about Baez are missing the point a bit. The Cubs have a ton of amazing minor league talent. 7 of the top BP101 and that doesn't really include all the international talent they signed last year (top two available, per BA). Plus they have the fourth pick in June.
So, take it easy, Tonker and Pen.
That's what I was attempting to say.
Baez is down? Next man up. Keep the line moving, boys.
Quote from: PANK! on April 16, 2014, 05:51:44 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2014, 09:33:57 PM
I think y'all who are worrying about or not worrying or whatever about Baez are missing the point a bit. The Cubs have a ton of amazing minor league talent. 7 of the top BP101 and that doesn't really include all the international talent they signed last year (top two available, per BA). Plus they have the fourth pick in June.
So, take it easy, Tonker and Pen.
That's what I was attempting to say.
Baez is down? Next man up. Keep the line moving, boys.
Every time someone complains about Baez, Jesus gets a finger cut off.
Quote from: Oleg on April 16, 2014, 07:23:16 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 16, 2014, 05:51:44 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2014, 09:33:57 PM
I think y'all who are worrying about or not worrying or whatever about Baez are missing the point a bit. The Cubs have a ton of amazing minor league talent. 7 of the top BP101 and that doesn't really include all the international talent they signed last year (top two available, per BA). Plus they have the fourth pick in June.
So, take it easy, Tonker and Pen.
That's what I was attempting to say.
Baez is down? Next man up. Keep the line moving, boys.
Every time someone complains about Baez, Jesus gets a finger cut off.
Well, nail it back on then, Jeez.
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2014, 09:33:57 PM
I think y'all who are worrying about or not worrying or whatever about Baez are missing the point a bit. The Cubs have a ton of amazing minor league talent. 7 of the top BP101 and that doesn't really include all the international talent they signed last year (top two available, per BA). Plus they have the fourth pick in June.
So, take it easy, Tonker and Pen.
Oleg is absolutely right. Rather than have "THE GUY", like Corey Patterson or Felix Pie have been in the past, Jepstink have set this organization of with waves of guys.
You think Cub fans are insufferable now? Wait until we get a couple chammenships under our belts.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2014, 07:39:04 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 16, 2014, 07:23:16 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 16, 2014, 05:51:44 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2014, 09:33:57 PM
I think y'all who are worrying about or not worrying or whatever about Baez are missing the point a bit. The Cubs have a ton of amazing minor league talent. 7 of the top BP101 and that doesn't really include all the international talent they signed last year (top two available, per BA). Plus they have the fourth pick in June.
So, take it easy, Tonker and Pen.
That's what I was attempting to say.
Baez is down? Next man up. Keep the line moving, boys.
Every time someone complains about Baez, Jesus gets a finger cut off.
Well, nail it back on then, Jeez.
A Desippy to Chuck D. since we're so close to Easter.
Quote from: Fork on April 16, 2014, 08:47:44 AM
Wait until we get a couple chammenships under our belts.
TIME TO WAIT!
(http://i.imgur.com/Y1nb0Op.jpg)
What on earth are we talking about?
Quote from: Slaky on April 16, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
What on earth are we talking about?
About how the Cubs apparently have 30 Javier Baezs in the minor leagues.
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 16, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
What on earth are we talking about?
About how the Cubs apparently have 30 Javier Baezs in the minor leagues.
Just wait until we trade them for 25 Theriots.
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 16, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
What on earth are we talking about?
About how the Cubs apparently have 30 Javier Baezs in the minor leagues.
But really, there's a big leap from "it's too early to worry about Baez" to "it's not even that big of a deal if Baez somehow doesn't work out." Those are two very different things.
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 16, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
What on earth are we talking about?
About how the Cubs apparently have 30 Javier Baezs in the minor leagues.
But really, there's a big leap from "it's too early to worry about Baez" to "it's not even that big of a deal if Baez somehow doesn't work out." Those are two very different things.
He's got a minor injury lets make jokes about how he's dead was my thinking.
I guess some people actually have already accepted his death and moved on.
Quote from: Slaky on April 16, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
What on earth are we talking about?
Search me. Everybody seems to think everybody's worried about Baez, whereas, as far as I can tell, only one person is worried about him.
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 16, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
What on earth are we talking about?
About how the Cubs apparently have 30 Javier Baezs in the minor leagues.
But really, there's a big leap from "it's too early to worry about Baez" to "it's not even that big of a deal if Baez somehow doesn't work out." Those are two very different things.
Bottom line is, don't worry about Baez. Whether he becomes Gary Sheffield or Gary Scott is out of our control anyway.
Quote from: Fork on April 16, 2014, 10:12:04 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 16, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
What on earth are we talking about?
About how the Cubs apparently have 30 Javier Baezs in the minor leagues.
But really, there's a big leap from "it's too early to worry about Baez" to "it's not even that big of a deal if Baez somehow doesn't work out." Those are two very different things.
Bottom line is, don't worry about Baez. Whether he becomes Gary Sheffield or Gary Scott is out of our control anyway.
He's not panning out. Prospects never pan out. As we see with that bum Rizzo or that lazy latino Castro.
Who's the infield version of Jeff Franceour? We need him!
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 16, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
What on earth are we talking about?
About how the Cubs apparently have 30 Javier Baezs in the minor leagues.
But really, there's a big leap from "it's too early to worry about Baez" to "it's not even that big of a deal if Baez somehow doesn't work out." Those are two very different things.
That's probably just the Fork pendulum swinging dramatically the other way for rhetorical effect.
I think the valid point is that, as hopeful as we are for the chance to watch Baez mash major league pitching from this July through the end of the 2015 World Series, it's nice to know that we don't have all of our eggs in his basket.
That, even if Baez falters and doesn't meet our possibly lofty expectations, he's still just one of three potential middle-infielders-of-the-future at the top of the system.*
That, given the reality (as Al Yellon is so eager to tell us) sometimes "prospects" don't work out and/or die, it's exciting that the Cubs suddenly have prospect depth everywhere but catcher.
OK... Everywhere but catcher and pitcher.
*Also filed under: "reasons to not freak out about Starlin either"
Quote from: Tonker on April 16, 2014, 05:44:39 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 16, 2014, 02:44:08 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 16, 2014, 02:24:08 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2014, 09:33:57 PM
I think y'all who are worrying about or not worrying or whatever about Baez are missing the point a bit. The Cubs have a ton of amazing minor league talent. 7 of the top BP101 and that doesn't really include all the international talent they signed last year (top two available, per BA). Plus they have the fourth pick in June.
So, take it easy, Tonker and Pen.
I, too, am excited about the talent that the Cubs have, and am confident that some or all of it is going to make a significant difference to their fortunes in the very near future. Huzzah! Indeed, it's precisely because of this that getting one's knickers in a knot about Baez' performance after a couple of weeks of a new season at a higher level is utterly, utterly, UTTERLY FUCKING RIDICULOUS.
Yeah. And if there was anyone here reacting to the last couple weeks I'm sure this great point would have changed his mind.
If Baez had started in AAA the way he finished in AA, there's no fucking way we're having this conversation now.
No. I hinted at a similar point during Spring Training and it's something I've been thinking about for at least a year. When he went on the DL last week we started talking about him and since every prospect analyst I've read is ready to induct him into the Hall of Fame I figured I'd ask if anyone else shares the same concern. It's not like I said he's not going to be a good player, which is clear if you go back and read the original post. Just,
he might not reach the ceiling everyone is talking about if this little problem isn't fixed, or am I off-base here and this is not as big of a problem as I thought?" The stats comparing him to Vlad Guerrero addressed the last part of it and put a lot of this concern to rest. For some reason you care more about the timing of the question than the question itself. I guess I don't understand this Tonk complaint at all.
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 16, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
What on earth are we talking about?
About how the Cubs apparently have 30 Javier Baezs in the minor leagues.
But really, there's a big leap from "it's too early to worry about Baez" to "it's not even that big of a deal if Baez somehow doesn't work out." Those are two very different things.
Will it be disappointing if Baez is a complete flop? Absolutely. But I think I'm less inclined to "worry" about him simply because he was a draft pick under the Hendry's regime, which proved itself to be completely inept at drafting. So I guess if Baez develops into a very good major leaguer, I'm viewing it as found money. If Baez had been drafted by Epstein and flopped, well then I'd be disturbed.
Quote from: CT III on April 16, 2014, 11:06:56 AM
So I guess if Baez develops into a very good major leaguer, I'm viewing it as found money.
Which is almost as good as gas money and/or beer money?
Quote from: CT III on April 16, 2014, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 16, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
What on earth are we talking about?
About how the Cubs apparently have 30 Javier Baezs in the minor leagues.
But really, there's a big leap from "it's too early to worry about Baez" to "it's not even that big of a deal if Baez somehow doesn't work out." Those are two very different things.
Will it be disappointing if Baez is a complete flop? Absolutely. But I think I'm less inclined to "worry" about him simply because he was a draft pick under the Hendry's regime, which proved itself to be completely inept at drafting. So I guess if Baez develops into a very good major leaguer, I'm viewing it as found money. If Baez had been drafted by Epstein and flopped, well then I'd be disturbed.
CT, stop posting my thoughts as yours.
Quote from: CT III on April 16, 2014, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 16, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
What on earth are we talking about?
About how the Cubs apparently have 30 Javier Baezs in the minor leagues.
But really, there's a big leap from "it's too early to worry about Baez" to "it's not even that big of a deal if Baez somehow doesn't work out." Those are two very different things.
Will it be disappointing if Baez is a complete flop? Absolutely. But I think I'm less inclined to "worry" about him simply because he was a draft pick under the Hendry's regime, which proved itself to be completely inept at drafting. So I guess if Baez develops into a very good major leaguer, I'm viewing it as found money. If Baez had been drafted by Epstein and flopped, well then I'd be disturbed.
That's reasonable enough. In general, I'm not worried about him because he was insanely awesome last year and I'd be surprised if he flopped. If he somehow does, my disappointment would primarily be because he's the closest prospect to the majors and it'd make it that much harder for the Cubs field a good major-league team in the near future.
But to -- hopefully -- wrap this up, I see no reason to actually be concerned about that yet.
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 11:26:57 AM
Quote from: CT III on April 16, 2014, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 16, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
What on earth are we talking about?
About how the Cubs apparently have 30 Javier Baezs in the minor leagues.
But really, there's a big leap from "it's too early to worry about Baez" to "it's not even that big of a deal if Baez somehow doesn't work out." Those are two very different things.
Will it be disappointing if Baez is a complete flop? Absolutely. But I think I'm less inclined to "worry" about him simply because he was a draft pick under the Hendry's regime, which proved itself to be completely inept at drafting. So I guess if Baez develops into a very good major leaguer, I'm viewing it as found money. If Baez had been drafted by Epstein and flopped, well then I'd be disturbed.
That's reasonable enough. In general, I'm not worried about him because he was insanely awesome last year and I'd be surprised if he flopped. If he somehow does, my disappointment would primarily be because he's the closest prospect to the majors and it'd make it that much harder for the Cubs field a good major-league team in the near future.
But to -- hopefully -- wrap this up, I see no reason to actually be concerned about that yet.
If he is the second coming of Dave Kingman will that be success or will that be failure?
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 11:26:57 AM
Quote from: CT III on April 16, 2014, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 16, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
What on earth are we talking about?
About how the Cubs apparently have 30 Javier Baezs in the minor leagues.
But really, there's a big leap from "it's too early to worry about Baez" to "it's not even that big of a deal if Baez somehow doesn't work out." Those are two very different things.
Will it be disappointing if Baez is a complete flop? Absolutely. But I think I'm less inclined to "worry" about him simply because he was a draft pick under the Hendry's regime, which proved itself to be completely inept at drafting. So I guess if Baez develops into a very good major leaguer, I'm viewing it as found money. If Baez had been drafted by Epstein and flopped, well then I'd be disturbed.
That's reasonable enough. In general, I'm not worried about him because he was insanely awesome last year and I'd be surprised if he flopped. If he somehow does, my disappointment would primarily be because he's the closest prospect to the majors and it'd make it that much harder for the Cubs field a good major-league team in the near future.
But to -- hopefully -- wrap this up, I see no reason to actually be concerned about that yet.
Agreed. He'll probably come off the DL mashing and even if he doesn't, he's young. Epstink is .... not terrible?
Quote from: CBStew on April 16, 2014, 11:36:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 11:26:57 AM
Quote from: CT III on April 16, 2014, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 16, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 16, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
What on earth are we talking about?
About how the Cubs apparently have 30 Javier Baezs in the minor leagues.
But really, there's a big leap from "it's too early to worry about Baez" to "it's not even that big of a deal if Baez somehow doesn't work out." Those are two very different things.
Will it be disappointing if Baez is a complete flop? Absolutely. But I think I'm less inclined to "worry" about him simply because he was a draft pick under the Hendry's regime, which proved itself to be completely inept at drafting. So I guess if Baez develops into a very good major leaguer, I'm viewing it as found money. If Baez had been drafted by Epstein and flopped, well then I'd be disturbed.
That's reasonable enough. In general, I'm not worried about him because he was insanely awesome last year and I'd be surprised if he flopped. If he somehow does, my disappointment would primarily be because he's the closest prospect to the majors and it'd make it that much harder for the Cubs field a good major-league team in the near future.
But to -- hopefully -- wrap this up, I see no reason to actually be concerned about that yet.
If he is the second coming of Dave Kingman will that be success or will that be failure?
If he puts up Dave Kingman numbers with passable defense at a middle infield spot, that's a success.
Quote from: PANK! on April 16, 2014, 08:54:47 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2014, 07:39:04 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 16, 2014, 07:23:16 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 16, 2014, 05:51:44 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2014, 09:33:57 PM
I think y'all who are worrying about or not worrying or whatever about Baez are missing the point a bit. The Cubs have a ton of amazing minor league talent. 7 of the top BP101 and that doesn't really include all the international talent they signed last year (top two available, per BA). Plus they have the fourth pick in June.
So, take it easy, Tonker and Pen.
That's what I was attempting to say.
Baez is down? Next man up. Keep the line moving, boys.
Every time someone complains about Baez, Jesus gets a finger cut off.
Well, nail it back on then, Jeez.
A Desippy to Chuck D. since we're so close to Easter.
Stoner Zombie Jesus Day!
Hopefully he's getting his groove back after his injury. HR & 2 walks last night.
Even though his batting average is currently at an Oltian .169, he did go 3-5 in Chris Rusin's no-hitter last night. Yay.
4-11 in his last 3 games with a homer, double and 2 singles.
2 Ks, 1 BB.
Deep breaths.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 20, 2014, 12:11:16 PM
4-11 in his last 3 games with a homer, double and 2 singles.
2 Ks, 1 BB.
Deep breaths.
Yeth, and I'm only thixthteen.
Quote from: Tonker on May 20, 2014, 02:30:28 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 20, 2014, 12:11:16 PM
4-11 in his last 3 games with a homer, double and 2 singles.
2 Ks, 1 BB.
Deep breaths.
Yeth, and I'm only thixthteen.
Being pithy today?
5 game hitting streak: 1.065 OPS with 1 HR, 3 2B.
Of those 5 games, 4 were at night! Shove it, Parks!
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2014, 10:35:33 AM
5 game hitting streak: 1.065 OPS with 1 HR, 3 2B.
Of those 5 games, 4 were at night! Shove it, Parks!
That whole thing was so stupid. He speculated Baez was blind, caused a giant panic among Cubs fans, then recanted it 5 minutes later after he checked with a source. It's been a while since my journalism days, but it seems like maybe checking with the source first would have been proper procedure?
Basically, Parks sucks.
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2014, 10:35:33 AM
5 game hitting streak: 1.065 OPS with 1 HR, 3 2B.
Of those 5 games, 4 were at night! Shove it, Parks!
Also, if Parks' opinion is that he can't see at night, then why is his K% basically the same at day and at night?
Obvs, he's had some struggles and 74 ABs have happened at night and those are among the worst, but that could just be bad luck. I would be interested to see how he's done in previous seasons under the lights. Unless there was some sort of injury, I would suspect if he couldn't see the ball at night, he had that problem in years past
Speaking of luck, Javy is sporting a .240 BABIP. That'll change.
When he started at AA, he had a .229 BA, .295 OBP, and his slugging was aided by 11 HRs which brought it to .604. That was his first 100 PAs. His BABIP at that point: .216. So, aside from DONGS he wasn't really hitting anything else when he started there.
The next 132 PAs: .353/.394/.681/1.075, BABIP .418 (AA BABIP was .338)
At Daytona: 1st 100: .253/.283/.495, BABIP .308. It was just fine. Nothing special.
The rest of his time at Daytona: 223 PAs .286/.359/.571/.930, BABIP .304
In summary, he'll be fine. Calm the fuck down, and enjoy a nice torrid streak of DONGS
NOTE: I see that Parks recanted that blind shit.. and I don't feel like going back
Night Game. Home Run.
Quote from: Yeti on May 22, 2014, 09:29:37 AM
Night Game. Home Run.*
* And three Ks.**** But Parks is still wrong.
Quote from: Eli on May 22, 2014, 10:02:46 AM
Quote from: Yeti on May 22, 2014, 09:29:37 AM
Night Game. Home Run.*
* And three Ks.**
** But Parks is still wrong.
Yea, I purposely ignored it. Pretty much the anti-Chuck reaction there.
Quote from: Yeti on May 22, 2014, 10:13:08 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 22, 2014, 10:02:46 AM
Quote from: Yeti on May 22, 2014, 09:29:37 AM
Night Game. Home Run.*
* And three Ks.**
** But Parks is still wrong.
Yea, I purposely ignored it. Pretty much the anti-Chuck reaction there.
Words to live by.
So many more night Boners
Quote from: Yeti on May 22, 2014, 08:48:44 PM
So many more night Boners
I don't even care about Almora and Soler. Just give me Baez and Bryant panning out and we're good. No, I don't know to whom this is addressed.
Quote from: Eli on May 22, 2014, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 22, 2014, 08:48:44 PM
So many more night Boners
I don't even care about Almora and Soler. Just give me Baez and Bryant panning out and we're good. No, I don't know to whom this is addressed.
I can live with that. Soreleg is probably going to be half dead all the time and Almora, I don't know if he's as high ceiling as the B's but I agree. Baez and Bryant, would be monsters and would go a long way to this franchise having long sustained success.
BTW, Bryant killed it yesterday too, but that's pretty much DRLP any day
8==================D
Quote from: Yeti on May 23, 2014, 05:58:50 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 22, 2014, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 22, 2014, 08:48:44 PM
So many more night Boners
I don't even care about Almora and Soler. Just give me Baez and Bryant panning out and we're good. No, I don't know to whom this is addressed.
I can live with that. Soreleg is probably going to be half dead all the time and Almora, I don't know if he's as high ceiling as the B's but I agree. Baez and Bryant, would be monsters and would go a long way to this franchise having long sustained success.
BTW, Bryant killed it yesterday too, but that's pretty much DRLP any day
Almora isn't going to be the beast these two guys are looking to become. But he's going to be one helluva center fielder & top-of-the-order guy. Feel free to be positive.
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2014, 08:51:58 AM
Almora isn't going to be the beast these two guys are looking to become. But he's going to be one helluva center fielder & top-of-the-order guy. Feel free to be positive.
Almora to me profiles more of an ideal 7 hitter. I don't think he'll get on base often enough to be at the top of the order. But hopefully his singles/doubles approach would play well to drive in the middle-of-the-order types. I know guys like him traditionally get put in the second spot, but I think that's outdated.
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2014, 09:14:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2014, 08:51:58 AM
Almora isn't going to be the beast these two guys are looking to become. But he's going to be one helluva center fielder & top-of-the-order guy. Feel free to be positive.
Almora to me profiles more of an ideal 7 hitter. I don't think he'll get on base often enough to be at the top of the order. But hopefully his singles/doubles approach would play well to drive in the middle-of-the-order types. I know guys like him traditionally get put in the second spot, but I think that's outdated.
Everything I've read calls him the Cubs' best lower-ceiling/high-floor prospect. Since I know little else about him, I'll just parrot that.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 10:08:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2014, 09:14:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2014, 08:51:58 AM
Almora isn't going to be the beast these two guys are looking to become. But he's going to be one helluva center fielder & top-of-the-order guy. Feel free to be positive.
Almora to me profiles more of an ideal 7 hitter. I don't think he'll get on base often enough to be at the top of the order. But hopefully his singles/doubles approach would play well to drive in the middle-of-the-order types. I know guys like him traditionally get put in the second spot, but I think that's outdated.
Everything I've read calls him the Cubs' best lower-ceiling/high-floor prospect. Since I know little else about him, I'll just parrot that.
I heard someone toss out Placido Polanco as a hitter comp. From a quick look at the numbers (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/polanpl01.shtml), that actually makes a lot of sense (maybe with a bit less patience but a bit more power as he fills out). If he hits like that with plus defense in center, it's a pretty ideal outcome even if it's not terribly exciting.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 10:08:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2014, 09:14:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2014, 08:51:58 AM
Almora isn't going to be the beast these two guys are looking to become. But he's going to be one helluva center fielder & top-of-the-order guy. Feel free to be positive.
Almora to me profiles more of an ideal 7 hitter. I don't think he'll get on base often enough to be at the top of the order. But hopefully his singles/doubles approach would play well to drive in the middle-of-the-order types. I know guys like him traditionally get put in the second spot, but I think that's outdated.
Everything I've read calls him the Cubs' best lower-ceiling/high-floor prospect. Since I know little else about him, I'll just parrot that.
That's what I've been saying as well. If you have, ideally, Rizzo, Bryant, Baez all slugging the daylights out of the ball - what do you need from your CF? Great defense, speed, high contact. That sounds like Almora to me.
He might just be a very solid pro which would be great because the Cubs don't have many of those.
Quote from: Slaky on May 23, 2014, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 10:08:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2014, 09:14:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2014, 08:51:58 AM
Almora isn't going to be the beast these two guys are looking to become. But he's going to be one helluva center fielder & top-of-the-order guy. Feel free to be positive.
Almora to me profiles more of an ideal 7 hitter. I don't think he'll get on base often enough to be at the top of the order. But hopefully his singles/doubles approach would play well to drive in the middle-of-the-order types. I know guys like him traditionally get put in the second spot, but I think that's outdated.
Everything I've read calls him the Cubs' best lower-ceiling/high-floor prospect. Since I know little else about him, I'll just parrot that.
That's what I've been saying as well. If you have, ideally, Rizzo, Bryant, Baez all slugging the daylights out of the ball - what do you need from your CF? Great defense, speed, high contact. That sounds like Almora to me.
He might just be a very solid pro which would be great because the Cubs don't have many of those.
Has there been any further talk about moving Alcantara to CF? I think he's been playing 2B every day in Iowa, but getting out my Jump to Conclusions mat, if Baez slots in at 2B next year and Alcantara is ready, he could be an option to drop into the currently godawful Cubs OF until/unless Almora gets here.
I'm sure half these guys will be dead by next April but this would be a pretty fun lineup to watch.
Alcantara
Castro
Rizzo
Bryant
Baez
Olt
Lake
Castillo
Quote from: R-V on May 23, 2014, 10:46:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 23, 2014, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 10:08:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2014, 09:14:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2014, 08:51:58 AM
Almora isn't going to be the beast these two guys are looking to become. But he's going to be one helluva center fielder & top-of-the-order guy. Feel free to be positive.
Almora to me profiles more of an ideal 7 hitter. I don't think he'll get on base often enough to be at the top of the order. But hopefully his singles/doubles approach would play well to drive in the middle-of-the-order types. I know guys like him traditionally get put in the second spot, but I think that's outdated.
Everything I've read calls him the Cubs' best lower-ceiling/high-floor prospect. Since I know little else about him, I'll just parrot that.
That's what I've been saying as well. If you have, ideally, Rizzo, Bryant, Baez all slugging the daylights out of the ball - what do you need from your CF? Great defense, speed, high contact. That sounds like Almora to me.
He might just be a very solid pro which would be great because the Cubs don't have many of those.
Has there been any further talk about moving Alcantara to CF? I think he's been playing 2B every day in Iowa, but getting out my Jump to Conclusions mat, if Baez slots in at 2B next year and Alcantara is ready, he could be an option to drop into the currently godawful Cubs OF until/unless Almora gets here.
I'm sure half these guys will be dead by next April but this would be a pretty fun lineup to watch.
Alcantara
Castro
Rizzo
Bryant
Baez
Olt
Lake
Castillo
Since we're experimenting with lineups and position changes, why are Baez and Bryant not playing their future positions? From what I can tell, at the MLB level, Baez would play 2B and Bryant in the OF. But so far this year, Baez has played SS and Bryant 3B. This assumes the Jump to Conclusions mat is a real life crystal ball.
Also, not sure if it's this thread in which I saw something about Javy Baez's age, but the B-R machine tells me he's 5.7 years younger than the weighted average age of AAA players in 2014. He's 21...I forget that because I feel like I've been waiting on him or talking about his stat lines for a while now.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 10:51:51 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 23, 2014, 10:46:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 23, 2014, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 10:08:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2014, 09:14:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2014, 08:51:58 AM
Almora isn't going to be the beast these two guys are looking to become. But he's going to be one helluva center fielder & top-of-the-order guy. Feel free to be positive.
Almora to me profiles more of an ideal 7 hitter. I don't think he'll get on base often enough to be at the top of the order. But hopefully his singles/doubles approach would play well to drive in the middle-of-the-order types. I know guys like him traditionally get put in the second spot, but I think that's outdated.
Everything I've read calls him the Cubs' best lower-ceiling/high-floor prospect. Since I know little else about him, I'll just parrot that.
That's what I've been saying as well. If you have, ideally, Rizzo, Bryant, Baez all slugging the daylights out of the ball - what do you need from your CF? Great defense, speed, high contact. That sounds like Almora to me.
He might just be a very solid pro which would be great because the Cubs don't have many of those.
Has there been any further talk about moving Alcantara to CF? I think he's been playing 2B every day in Iowa, but getting out my Jump to Conclusions mat, if Baez slots in at 2B next year and Alcantara is ready, he could be an option to drop into the currently godawful Cubs OF until/unless Almora gets here.
I'm sure half these guys will be dead by next April but this would be a pretty fun lineup to watch.
Alcantara
Castro
Rizzo
Bryant
Baez
Olt
Lake
Castillo
Since we're experimenting with lineups and position changes, why are Baez and Bryant not playing their future positions? From what I can tell, at the MLB level, Baez would play 2B and Bryant in the OF. But so far this year, Baez has played SS and Bryant 3B. This assumes the Jump to Conclusions mat is a real life crystal ball.
Also, not sure if it's this thread in which I saw something about Javy Baez's age, but the B-R machine tells me he's 5.7 years younger than the weighted average age of AAA players in 2014. He's 21...I forget that because I feel like I've been waiting on him or talking about his stat lines for a while now.
Probably because the adjustment to 2B and LF is not all that difficult and it's best to find out now whether they're capable of playing the more challenging position. That and the more reps they get there in the minors the better in case they're forced into action there at the ML level.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 11:00:02 AM
Probably because the adjustment to 2B and LF is not all that difficult and its best to find out now whether they're capable of playing the more challenging position. That and the more reps they get there in the minors the better in case they're forced into action there at the ML level.
Basically that. You want to keep them at their most valuable position for as long as possible. No reason to switch them in the minors based on MLB depth charts.
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2014, 11:01:51 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 11:00:02 AM
Probably because the adjustment to 2B and LF is not all that difficult and its best to find out now whether they're capable of playing the more challenging position. That and the more reps they get there in the minors the better in case they're forced into action there at the ML level.
Basically that. You want to keep them at their most valuable position for as long as possible. No reason to switch them in the minors based on MLB depth charts.
Just conjecture, but I assume Baez's struggles at the plate are also part of the reason they haven't at least tried him at second.
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2014, 08:51:58 AM
Quote from: Yeti on May 23, 2014, 05:58:50 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 22, 2014, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 22, 2014, 08:48:44 PM
So many more night Boners
I don't even care about Almora and Soler. Just give me Baez and Bryant panning out and we're good. No, I don't know to whom this is addressed.
I can live with that. Soreleg is probably going to be half dead all the time and Almora, I don't know if he's as high ceiling as the B's but I agree. Baez and Bryant, would be monsters and would go a long way to this franchise having long sustained success.
BTW, Bryant killed it yesterday too, but that's pretty much DRLP any day
Almora isn't going to be the beast these two guys are looking to become. But he's going to be one helluva center fielder & top-of-the-order guy. Feel free to be positive.
Areyounewhere'd?
Quote from: ChuckD on May 23, 2014, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2014, 11:01:51 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 11:00:02 AM
Probably because the adjustment to 2B and LF is not all that difficult and its best to find out now whether they're capable of playing the more challenging position. That and the more reps they get there in the minors the better in case they're forced into action there at the ML level.
Basically that. You want to keep them at their most valuable position for as long as possible. No reason to switch them in the minors based on MLB depth charts.
Just conjecture, but I assume Baez's struggles at the plate are also part of the reason they haven't at least tried him at second.
Anybody who can play SS can play 2B. The turn at 2nd is the only difference and that's nothing for a professional ballplayer to pick up on. I can understand "trying" a guy who has played mostly infield in the outfield, as in Bryant's case. But if it's left field? Pffftt *air-hand wank motion*
If they're convinced that Baez is a disaster at short and just can't do it, then I'd say you'd move him off of it and see if he's useful at 2nd or 3rd. But I think that they have hope that he can play shortstop. If he's on the big club next year and something happens to Castro (I hope not. God, I hope not.) he should be ready to take over.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 10:51:51 AM
From what I can tell, at the MLB level, Baez would play 2B and Bryant in the OF.
Your faith in MIKE OLT is strong.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 10:51:51 AM
From what I can tell, at the MLB level, Baez would play 2B and Bryant in the OF.
Your faith in MIKE OLT is strong.
It's unhealthy.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 10:51:51 AM
From what I can tell, at the MLB level, Baez would play 2B and Bryant in the OF.
Your faith in MIKE OLT is strong.
It's unhealthy.
I can't tell if you guys are serious about Olt or just bored.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 10:51:51 AM
From what I can tell, at the MLB level, Baez would play 2B and Bryant in the OF.
Your faith in MIKE OLT is strong.
It's unhealthy.
I can't tell if you guys are serious about Olt or just bored.
I think until the Cubs acquire some outfielders that don't fall into the "slapdick" category, it's not crazy to keep Olt at 3B for his defense and dongs and get Bryant in the lineup by putting him into RF or LF. From what I've gathered Olt is thought to be the better defensive 3B of the two.
Quote from: R-V on May 23, 2014, 11:34:10 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 10:51:51 AM
From what I can tell, at the MLB level, Baez would play 2B and Bryant in the OF.
Your faith in MIKE OLT is strong.
It's unhealthy.
I can't tell if you guys are serious about Olt or just bored.
I think until the Cubs acquire some outfielders that don't fall into the "slapdick" category, it's not crazy to keep Olt at 3B for his defense and dongs and get Bryant in the lineup by putting him into RF or LF. From what I've gathered Olt is thought to be the better defensive 3B of the two.
That is also what I was thinking. I've read that Olt is considered to be an above average to great defensive third baseman and Bryant is sneaky above average at 3B. I think the wording of the BP article I read on Bryant's defense was "he's played the position better than his numbers indicate". Something like he can be stiff and missthrow on easy plays, but he can handle making a tough one.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 11:41:15 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 23, 2014, 11:34:10 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 10:51:51 AM
From what I can tell, at the MLB level, Baez would play 2B and Bryant in the OF.
Your faith in MIKE OLT is strong.
It's unhealthy.
I can't tell if you guys are serious about Olt or just bored.
I think until the Cubs acquire some outfielders that don't fall into the "slapdick" category, it's not crazy to keep Olt at 3B for his defense and dongs and get Bryant in the lineup by putting him into RF or LF. From what I've gathered Olt is thought to be the better defensive 3B of the two.
That is also what I was thinking. I've read that Olt is considered to be an above average to great defensive third baseman and Bryant is sneaky above average at 3B. I think the wording of the BP article I read on Bryant's defense was "he's played the position better than his numbers indicate". Something like he can be stiff and missthrow on easy plays, but he can handle making a tough one.
All that said, even
if you're expecting Olt to stick at 3B and Bryant to move to OF when he hits Chicago, why move him there before you have to?
Let Bryant continue to get professional reps at the hot corner so maybe he can keep that skill in his pocket in case future events warrant a move back to the infield.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 11:41:15 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 23, 2014, 11:34:10 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 10:51:51 AM
From what I can tell, at the MLB level, Baez would play 2B and Bryant in the OF.
Your faith in MIKE OLT is strong.
It's unhealthy.
I can't tell if you guys are serious about Olt or just bored.
I think until the Cubs acquire some outfielders that don't fall into the "slapdick" category, it's not crazy to keep Olt at 3B for his defense and dongs and get Bryant in the lineup by putting him into RF or LF. From what I've gathered Olt is thought to be the better defensive 3B of the two.
That is also what I was thinking. I've read that Olt is considered to be an above average to great defensive third baseman and Bryant is sneaky above average at 3B. I think the wording of the BP article I read on Bryant's defense was "he's played the position better than his numbers indicate". Something like he can be stiff and missthrow on easy plays, but he can handle making a tough one.
All that said, even if you're expecting Olt to stick at 3B and Bryant to move to OF when he hits Chicago, why move him there before you have to?
Let Bryant continue to get professional reps at the hot corner so maybe he can keep that skill in his pocket in case future events warrant a move back to the infield.
Yeah, the explanation makes perfect sense. I wasn't objecting to it.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 11:41:15 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 23, 2014, 11:34:10 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 10:51:51 AM
From what I can tell, at the MLB level, Baez would play 2B and Bryant in the OF.
Your faith in MIKE OLT is strong.
It's unhealthy.
I can't tell if you guys are serious about Olt or just bored.
I think until the Cubs acquire some outfielders that don't fall into the "slapdick" category, it's not crazy to keep Olt at 3B for his defense and dongs and get Bryant in the lineup by putting him into RF or LF. From what I've gathered Olt is thought to be the better defensive 3B of the two.
That is also what I was thinking. I've read that Olt is considered to be an above average to great defensive third baseman and Bryant is sneaky above average at 3B. I think the wording of the BP article I read on Bryant's defense was "he's played the position better than his numbers indicate". Something like he can be stiff and missthrow on easy plays, but he can handle making a tough one.
All that said, even if you're expecting Olt to stick at 3B and Bryant to move to OF when he hits Chicago, why move him there before you have to?
Let Bryant continue to get professional reps at the hot corner so maybe he can keep that skill in his pocket in case future events warrant a move back to the infield.
There is no easier position to play at the major league level than left field. There's a reason why the Dave Kingmans (another converted 3B) and George Bells of the world wind up there.
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2014, 02:03:37 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 11:41:15 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 23, 2014, 11:34:10 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 10:51:51 AM
From what I can tell, at the MLB level, Baez would play 2B and Bryant in the OF.
Your faith in MIKE OLT is strong.
It's unhealthy.
I can't tell if you guys are serious about Olt or just bored.
I think until the Cubs acquire some outfielders that don't fall into the "slapdick" category, it's not crazy to keep Olt at 3B for his defense and dongs and get Bryant in the lineup by putting him into RF or LF. From what I've gathered Olt is thought to be the better defensive 3B of the two.
That is also what I was thinking. I've read that Olt is considered to be an above average to great defensive third baseman and Bryant is sneaky above average at 3B. I think the wording of the BP article I read on Bryant's defense was "he's played the position better than his numbers indicate". Something like he can be stiff and missthrow on easy plays, but he can handle making a tough one.
All that said, even if you're expecting Olt to stick at 3B and Bryant to move to OF when he hits Chicago, why move him there before you have to?
Let Bryant continue to get professional reps at the hot corner so maybe he can keep that skill in his pocket in case future events warrant a move back to the infield.
There is no easier position to play at the major league level than left field. There's a reason why the Dave Kingmans (another converted 3B) and George Bells of the world wind up there.
The ground beneath the groves and groves of first basemen trees littered with Miguel Cabreras would suggest otherwise.
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2014, 02:03:37 PM
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Quote from: R-V on May 23, 2014, 11:34:10 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 10:51:51 AM
From what I can tell, at the MLB level, Baez would play 2B and Bryant in the OF.
Your faith in MIKE OLT is strong.
It's unhealthy.
I can't tell if you guys are serious about Olt or just bored.
I think until the Cubs acquire some outfielders that don't fall into the "slapdick" category, it's not crazy to keep Olt at 3B for his defense and dongs and get Bryant in the lineup by putting him into RF or LF. From what I've gathered Olt is thought to be the better defensive 3B of the two.
That is also what I was thinking. I've read that Olt is considered to be an above average to great defensive third baseman and Bryant is sneaky above average at 3B. I think the wording of the BP article I read on Bryant's defense was "he's played the position better than his numbers indicate". Something like he can be stiff and missthrow on easy plays, but he can handle making a tough one.
All that said, even if you're expecting Olt to stick at 3B and Bryant to move to OF when he hits Chicago, why move him there before you have to?
Let Bryant continue to get professional reps at the hot corner so maybe he can keep that skill in his pocket in case future events warrant a move back to the infield.
There is no easier position to play at the major league level than left field. There's a reason why the Dave Kingmans (another converted 3B) and George Bells of the world wind up there.
And why there was no where else to play Soriano.
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 10:51:51 AM
From what I can tell, at the MLB level, Baez would play 2B and Bryant in the OF.
Your faith in MIKE OLT is strong.
It's unhealthy.
I can't tell if you guys are serious about Olt or just bored.
I think until the Cubs acquire some outfielders that don't fall into the "slapdick" category, it's not crazy to keep Olt at 3B for his defense and dongs and get Bryant in the lineup by putting him into RF or LF. From what I've gathered Olt is thought to be the better defensive 3B of the two.
That is also what I was thinking. I've read that Olt is considered to be an above average to great defensive third baseman and Bryant is sneaky above average at 3B. I think the wording of the BP article I read on Bryant's defense was "he's played the position better than his numbers indicate". Something like he can be stiff and missthrow on easy plays, but he can handle making a tough one.
All that said, even if you're expecting Olt to stick at 3B and Bryant to move to OF when he hits Chicago, why move him there before you have to?
Let Bryant continue to get professional reps at the hot corner so maybe he can keep that skill in his pocket in case future events warrant a move back to the infield.
There is no easier position to play at the major league level than left field. There's a reason why the Dave Kingmans (another converted 3B) and George Bells of the world wind up there.
And why there was no where else to play Soriano.
The Cubs are playing him in New York.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 23, 2014, 02:08:50 PM
The ground beneath the groves and groves of first basemen trees littered with Miguel Cabreras would suggest otherwise.
This is Tolstoy-esque.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 02:24:47 PM
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From what I can tell, at the MLB level, Baez would play 2B and Bryant in the OF.
Your faith in MIKE OLT is strong.
It's unhealthy.
I can't tell if you guys are serious about Olt or just bored.
I think until the Cubs acquire some outfielders that don't fall into the "slapdick" category, it's not crazy to keep Olt at 3B for his defense and dongs and get Bryant in the lineup by putting him into RF or LF. From what I've gathered Olt is thought to be the better defensive 3B of the two.
That is also what I was thinking. I've read that Olt is considered to be an above average to great defensive third baseman and Bryant is sneaky above average at 3B. I think the wording of the BP article I read on Bryant's defense was "he's played the position better than his numbers indicate". Something like he can be stiff and missthrow on easy plays, but he can handle making a tough one.
All that said, even if you're expecting Olt to stick at 3B and Bryant to move to OF when he hits Chicago, why move him there before you have to?
Let Bryant continue to get professional reps at the hot corner so maybe he can keep that skill in his pocket in case future events warrant a move back to the infield.
There is no easier position to play at the major league level than left field. There's a reason why the Dave Kingmans (another converted 3B) and George Bells of the world wind up there.
And why there was no where else to play Soriano.
The Cubs are playing him in New York.
Chuck: It's over. The bad man is in New York now.
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 23, 2014, 02:08:50 PM
The ground beneath the groves and groves of first basemen trees littered with Miguel Cabreras would suggest otherwise.
This is Tolstoy-esque.
Tolstoy wrote fiction.
Last 10 games: .390/.409/.829/1.238. 6 2B, 4 HR, 11 RBI, 2 BB, 11 SO, including a 2-for-4 performance with another HR and 4 RBI earlier today. Still striking out as he always has, but making more contact and doing a better job of squaring it up when he does. It'll be interesting to see his season numbers at the end of this month if he stays on this hot streak.
Player of the week splooge (http://bit.ly/1jUccwY)
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
The Baez Watch begins in earnest on Sunday.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
Don't try to fool everyone with your calm, rational, properly-punctuated and -capitalized posts. You obviously have the vapors.
Get this man to the fainting couch.
Quote from: PANK! on May 29, 2014, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Agreed. Fighting the meme only makes it stick more.
Quote from: Bort on May 29, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 29, 2014, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Agreed. Fighting the meme only makes it stick more.
Morph told me the same thing after he watched "Eddie & The Cruisers 2 - Eddie Lives!" for the 10th time.
Quote from: Bort on May 29, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 29, 2014, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Agreed. Fighting the meme only makes it stick more.
I think a better meme for me would be "STOP TANKING, MORANS" rather than "EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE," but I understand.
Quote from: Eli on May 30, 2014, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Bort on May 29, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 29, 2014, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Agreed. Fighting the meme only makes it stick more.
I think a better meme for me would be "STOP TANKING, MORANS" rather than "EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE," but I understand.
You get the meme you get and then you move on. Hell, I eventually moved to Iowa just to make the meme true.
Quote from: SKO on May 30, 2014, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 30, 2014, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Bort on May 29, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
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Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Agreed. Fighting the meme only makes it stick more.
I think a better meme for me would be "STOP TANKING, MORANS" rather than "EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE," but I understand.
You get the meme you get and then you move on. Hell, I eventually moved to Iowa just to make the meme true.
I gained 170 pounds.
Quote from: Slaky on May 30, 2014, 09:44:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 30, 2014, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 30, 2014, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Bort on May 29, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 29, 2014, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Agreed. Fighting the meme only makes it stick more.
I think a better meme for me would be "STOP TANKING, MORANS" rather than "EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE," but I understand.
You get the meme you get and then you move on. Hell, I eventually moved to Iowa just to make the meme true.
I gained 170 pounds.
That's like an entire Tony Campana.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 30, 2014, 09:51:40 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 30, 2014, 09:44:41 AM
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Quote from: Bort on May 29, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 29, 2014, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Agreed. Fighting the meme only makes it stick more.
I think a better meme for me would be "STOP TANKING, MORANS" rather than "EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE," but I understand.
You get the meme you get and then you move on. Hell, I eventually moved to Iowa just to make the meme true.
I gained 170 pounds.
That's like an entire Tony Campana.
Yeah I ate that dude.
Quote from: Slaky on May 30, 2014, 09:44:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 30, 2014, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 30, 2014, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Bort on May 29, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 29, 2014, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Agreed. Fighting the meme only makes it stick more.
I think a better meme for me would be "STOP TANKING, MORANS" rather than "EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE," but I understand.
You get the meme you get and then you move on. Hell, I eventually moved to Iowa just to make the meme true.
I gained 170 pounds.
And you're already looking for another country to be deported from.
Quote from: Slaky on May 30, 2014, 09:44:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 30, 2014, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 30, 2014, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Bort on May 29, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 29, 2014, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Agreed. Fighting the meme only makes it stick more.
I think a better meme for me would be "STOP TANKING, MORANS" rather than "EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE," but I understand.
You get the meme you get and then you move on. Hell, I eventually moved to Iowa just to make the meme true.
I gained 170 pounds.
... of beard.
Quote from: Tonker on May 30, 2014, 10:25:35 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 30, 2014, 09:44:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 30, 2014, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 30, 2014, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Bort on May 29, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 29, 2014, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Agreed. Fighting the meme only makes it stick more.
I think a better meme for me would be "STOP TANKING, MORANS" rather than "EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE," but I understand.
You get the meme you get and then you move on. Hell, I eventually moved to Iowa just to make the meme true.
I gained 170 pounds.
... of beard.
But at least he's stacking that sweet Honda cheddar (http://imgur.com/gallery/NPjEKAw).
Quote from: Fork on May 30, 2014, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 30, 2014, 10:25:35 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 30, 2014, 09:44:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 30, 2014, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 30, 2014, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Bort on May 29, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 29, 2014, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Agreed. Fighting the meme only makes it stick more.
I think a better meme for me would be "STOP TANKING, MORANS" rather than "EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE," but I understand.
You get the meme you get and then you move on. Hell, I eventually moved to Iowa just to make the meme true.
I gained 170 pounds.
... of beard.
But at least he's stacking that sweet Honda cheddar (http://imgur.com/gallery/NPjEKAw).
I bayoneted 37 Iraqi kids.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on May 30, 2014, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 30, 2014, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 30, 2014, 10:25:35 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 30, 2014, 09:44:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 30, 2014, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 30, 2014, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Bort on May 29, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 29, 2014, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Agreed. Fighting the meme only makes it stick more.
I think a better meme for me would be "STOP TANKING, MORANS" rather than "EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE," but I understand.
You get the meme you get and then you move on. Hell, I eventually moved to Iowa just to make the meme true.
I gained 170 pounds.
... of beard.
But at least he's stacking that sweet Honda cheddar (http://imgur.com/gallery/NPjEKAw).
I bayoneted 37 Iraqi kids.
To share a family secret, my grandmother was a Dutch.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 31, 2014, 06:27:48 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on May 30, 2014, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 30, 2014, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 30, 2014, 10:25:35 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 30, 2014, 09:44:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 30, 2014, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 30, 2014, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Bort on May 29, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 29, 2014, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Agreed. Fighting the meme only makes it stick more.
I think a better meme for me would be "STOP TANKING, MORANS" rather than "EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE," but I understand.
You get the meme you get and then you move on. Hell, I eventually moved to Iowa just to make the meme true.
I gained 170 pounds.
... of beard.
But at least he's stacking that sweet Honda cheddar (http://imgur.com/gallery/NPjEKAw).
I bayoneted 37 Iraqi kids.
To share a family secret, my grandmother was a Dutch.
I'm Australian. Er... Belgian. No, wait... Welsh. Or South African. Actually, I'm not really sure. What I am sure of is that I have an awful lot of anal sex.
Quote from: Tonker on June 01, 2014, 02:01:41 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 31, 2014, 06:27:48 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on May 30, 2014, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 30, 2014, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 30, 2014, 10:25:35 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 30, 2014, 09:44:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 30, 2014, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 30, 2014, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Bort on May 29, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 29, 2014, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Agreed. Fighting the meme only makes it stick more.
I think a better meme for me would be "STOP TANKING, MORANS" rather than "EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE," but I understand.
You get the meme you get and then you move on. Hell, I eventually moved to Iowa just to make the meme true.
I gained 170 pounds.
... of beard.
But at least he's stacking that sweet Honda cheddar (http://imgur.com/gallery/NPjEKAw).
I bayoneted 37 Iraqi kids.
To share a family secret, my grandmother was a Dutch.
I'm Australian. Er... Belgian. No, wait... Welsh. Or South African. Actually, I'm not really sure. What I am sure of is that I have an awful lot of anal sex.
Huey's so jealous. Because he's TOO BIG for that.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 31, 2014, 06:27:48 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on May 30, 2014, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 30, 2014, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 30, 2014, 10:25:35 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 30, 2014, 09:44:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 30, 2014, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 30, 2014, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Bort on May 29, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 29, 2014, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
2 days without a Baez post?
For shame.
Last 10 games:
.425/.429/.850
Intrepid readers Sterling and Eli: OH GOD HE NEEDS TO WALK MORE OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
That doesn't sound like me.
We'd appreciate it if you worked a litttle harder at going along with your assigned meme.
Agreed. Fighting the meme only makes it stick more.
I think a better meme for me would be "STOP TANKING, MORANS" rather than "EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE," but I understand.
You get the meme you get and then you move on. Hell, I eventually moved to Iowa just to make the meme true.
I gained 170 pounds.
... of beard.
But at least he's stacking that sweet Honda cheddar (http://imgur.com/gallery/NPjEKAw).
I bayoneted 37 Iraqi kids.
To share a family secret, my grandmother was a Dutch.
If there's two things I can't stand it's people who are intolerant of other peoples' culture...
and the Dutch.
OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. (http://cubbiescrib.com/2014/06/02/chicago-cubs-prospect-javier-baez-day-day-wrist-injury/)
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 03:32:49 AM
OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. (http://cubbiescrib.com/2014/06/02/chicago-cubs-prospect-javier-baez-day-day-wrist-injury/)
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 03:32:49 AM
OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. (http://cubbiescrib.com/2014/06/02/chicago-cubs-prospect-javier-baez-day-day-wrist-injury/)
THERE SHALL BE NO NUANCE ON DESIPIO
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 08:37:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 03:32:49 AM
OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. (http://cubbiescrib.com/2014/06/02/chicago-cubs-prospect-javier-baez-day-day-wrist-injury/)
THERE SHALL BE NO NUANCE ON DESIPIO
*sniff sniff* Is that... can I smell... a teeny, tiny whiff bit of BUTTHURT?
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 09:14:52 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 08:37:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 03:32:49 AM
OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. (http://cubbiescrib.com/2014/06/02/chicago-cubs-prospect-javier-baez-day-day-wrist-injury/)
THERE SHALL BE NO NUANCE ON DESIPIO
*sniff sniff* Is that... can I smell... a teeny, tiny whiff bit of BUTTHURT?
No, I'm pretty sure it had the cadence of a joke.
Quote from: CT III on June 03, 2014, 09:39:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 09:14:52 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 08:37:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 03:32:49 AM
OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. (http://cubbiescrib.com/2014/06/02/chicago-cubs-prospect-javier-baez-day-day-wrist-injury/)
THERE SHALL BE NO NUANCE ON DESIPIO
*sniff sniff* Is that... can I smell... a teeny, tiny whiff bit of BUTTHURT?
No, I'm pretty sure it had the cadence of a joke.
Branching out into humour now, are we, irony boy?
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 09:46:12 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 03, 2014, 09:39:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 09:14:52 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 08:37:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 03:32:49 AM
OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. (http://cubbiescrib.com/2014/06/02/chicago-cubs-prospect-javier-baez-day-day-wrist-injury/)
THERE SHALL BE NO NUANCE ON DESIPIO
*sniff sniff* Is that... can I smell... a teeny, tiny whiff bit of BUTTHURT?
No, I'm pretty sure it had the cadence of a joke.
Branching out into humour now, are we, irony boy?
Save those Frenchified vowels for your message boards about soccer in Flanders.
Quote from: CT III on June 03, 2014, 09:39:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 09:14:52 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 08:37:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 03:32:49 AM
OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. (http://cubbiescrib.com/2014/06/02/chicago-cubs-prospect-javier-baez-day-day-wrist-injury/)
THERE SHALL BE NO NUANCE ON DESIPIO
*sniff sniff* Is that... can I smell... a teeny, tiny whiff bit of BUTTHURT?
No, I'm pretty sure it had the cadence of a joke.
The story of this post is to say: thank you for understanding my previous post.
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 10:13:30 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 03, 2014, 09:39:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 09:14:52 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 08:37:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 03:32:49 AM
OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. (http://cubbiescrib.com/2014/06/02/chicago-cubs-prospect-javier-baez-day-day-wrist-injury/)
THERE SHALL BE NO NUANCE ON DESIPIO
*sniff sniff* Is that... can I smell... a teeny, tiny whiff bit of BUTTHURT?
No, I'm pretty sure it had the cadence of a joke.
The story of this post is to say: thank you for understanding my previous post.
As I suspected: butthurt.
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 10:25:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 10:13:30 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 03, 2014, 09:39:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 09:14:52 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 08:37:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 03:32:49 AM
OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. (http://cubbiescrib.com/2014/06/02/chicago-cubs-prospect-javier-baez-day-day-wrist-injury/)
THERE SHALL BE NO NUANCE ON DESIPIO
*sniff sniff* Is that... can I smell... a teeny, tiny whiff bit of BUTTHURT?
No, I'm pretty sure it had the cadence of a joke.
The story of this post is to say: thank you for understanding my previous post.
As I suspected: butthurt.
Maybe it just didn't translate very well from English to Australian.
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 10:25:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 10:13:30 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 03, 2014, 09:39:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 09:14:52 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 08:37:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 03:32:49 AM
OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. (http://cubbiescrib.com/2014/06/02/chicago-cubs-prospect-javier-baez-day-day-wrist-injury/)
THERE SHALL BE NO NUANCE ON DESIPIO
*sniff sniff* Is that... can I smell... a teeny, tiny whiff bit of BUTTHURT?
No, I'm pretty sure it had the cadence of a joke.
The story of this post is to say: thank you for understanding my previous post.
As I suspected: butthurt.
Maybe it just didn't translate very well from English to Australian.
As an arbiter of asshurt I didn't detect a whole lot at first to be honest. It seems to be rising at an alarming rate now though.
Quote from: InternetApex on June 03, 2014, 11:38:45 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 10:25:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 10:13:30 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 03, 2014, 09:39:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 09:14:52 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 08:37:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 03:32:49 AM
OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. (http://cubbiescrib.com/2014/06/02/chicago-cubs-prospect-javier-baez-day-day-wrist-injury/)
THERE SHALL BE NO NUANCE ON DESIPIO
*sniff sniff* Is that... can I smell... a teeny, tiny whiff bit of BUTTHURT?
No, I'm pretty sure it had the cadence of a joke.
The story of this post is to say: thank you for understanding my previous post.
As I suspected: butthurt.
Maybe it just didn't translate very well from English to Australian.
As an arbiter of asshurt I didn't detect a whole lot at first to be honest. It seems to be rising at an alarming rate now though.
If there's one truth in this life, it's that denying butthurt ALWAYS leads to butthurt.
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 11:50:15 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 03, 2014, 11:38:45 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 10:25:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 10:13:30 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 03, 2014, 09:39:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 09:14:52 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 08:37:35 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2014, 03:32:49 AM
OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. (http://cubbiescrib.com/2014/06/02/chicago-cubs-prospect-javier-baez-day-day-wrist-injury/)
THERE SHALL BE NO NUANCE ON DESIPIO
*sniff sniff* Is that... can I smell... a teeny, tiny whiff bit of BUTTHURT?
No, I'm pretty sure it had the cadence of a joke.
The story of this post is to say: thank you for understanding my previous post.
As I suspected: butthurt.
Maybe it just didn't translate very well from English to Australian.
As an arbiter of asshurt I didn't detect a whole lot at first to be honest. It seems to be rising at an alarming rate now though.
If there's one truth in this life, it's that denying butthurt ALWAYS leads to butthurt.
That and that rejecting a meme only makes it stronger.
Last 24 games for Baez:
94 PA's, 16 extra base hits, .349/.372/.686
Schwing
Quote from: PANK! on June 10, 2014, 07:40:43 AM
Last 24 games for Baez:
94 PA's, 16 extra base hits, .349/.372/.686
Schwing
He hit a dong yesterday.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 10, 2014, 07:54:32 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 10, 2014, 07:40:43 AM
Last 24 games for Baez:
94 PA's, 16 extra base hits, .349/.372/.686
Schwing
He hit a dong yesterday.
Yep, like 900 feet to the opposite field and into a parking lot. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/476331531414540288)
Quote from: PANK! on June 10, 2014, 08:01:31 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 10, 2014, 07:54:32 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 10, 2014, 07:40:43 AM
Last 24 games for Baez:
94 PA's, 16 extra base hits, .349/.372/.686
Schwing
He hit a dong yesterday.
Yep, like 900 feet to the opposite field and into a parking lot. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/476331531414540288)
It hit a schrubbery (http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?sid=t451)
(http://www.nohighscores.com/wp-content/uploads/old-images/bill/lou.jpg)
Starting to come together, Pepper. Starting to come together.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 10, 2014, 12:11:04 PM
(http://www.nohighscores.com/wp-content/uploads/old-images/bill/lou.jpg)
Starting to come together, Pepper. Starting to come together.
Intrepid Reader: Eli-san それらはまだ不快である
"They're still shitty."
Quote from: PANK! on June 10, 2014, 08:01:31 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 10, 2014, 07:54:32 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 10, 2014, 07:40:43 AM
Last 24 games for Baez:
94 PA's, 16 extra base hits, .349/.372/.686
Schwing
He hit a dong yesterday.
Yep, like 900 feet to the opposite field and into a parking lot. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/476331531414540288)
Good. God.
Quote from: InternetApex on June 10, 2014, 12:28:02 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 10, 2014, 12:11:04 PM
(http://www.nohighscores.com/wp-content/uploads/old-images/bill/lou.jpg)
Starting to come together, Pepper. Starting to come together.
Intrepid Reader: Eli-san
それらはまだ不快である
"They're still shitty."
Hmm.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/k17rs.png)
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 10, 2014, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 10, 2014, 12:28:02 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 10, 2014, 12:11:04 PM
(http://www.nohighscores.com/wp-content/uploads/old-images/bill/lou.jpg)
Starting to come together, Pepper. Starting to come together.
Intrepid Reader: Eli-san
それらはまだ不快である
"They're still shitty."
Hmm.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/k17rs.png)
That's awesome. I used a similar tool and literally put in the word shitty.
JennPex said the clip from the movie literally translates to: "They're still really bad."
Javy Baez porn. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/06/10/more-video-of-javier-baez-doing-things-to-baseballs-and-more-thoughts-on-his-season/)
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 11, 2014, 07:40:26 AM
Javy Baez porn. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/06/10/more-video-of-javier-baez-doing-things-to-baseballs-and-more-thoughts-on-his-season/)
Sure are a lot of good seats still available in Fresno.
DPD.
Stop getting caught stealing, dude.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 24, 2014, 01:16:00 PM
DPD.
Stop getting caught stealing, dude.
He'd better develop the mental wherewithal to stop doing that or he'll never live up to his hype.
Quote from: InternetApex on June 24, 2014, 01:40:06 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 24, 2014, 01:16:00 PM
DPD.
Stop getting caught stealing, dude.
He'd better develop the mental wherewithal to stop doing that or he'll never live up to his hype.
Steal with your brain, not with your legs, that's what I always say.
DPD. Named to the futures game roster. Slightly less duh but still duh.
Jesse Rogers wrote a bunch of words about Baez (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/25627/adjustments-paying-off-for-surging-baez) and basically, he's back and awesome (Baez, not Rogers.)
Also:
Quote from: Manny Ramirez
"His power is better than mine at that age, and he's a really good fielder. Wow."
I'm not sure Manny is a great judge of fielding, but I'll take the first part as being pretty great.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: Manny Ramirez
"His power is better than mine at that age, and he's a really good fielder. Wow."
Manny is already embracing a meme. Many power. Such glove. Wow.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 01:23:39 PM
Jesse Rogers wrote a bunch of words about Baez (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/25627/adjustments-paying-off-for-surging-baez) and basically, he's back and awesome (Baez, not Rogers.)
Also:
Quote from: Manny Ramirez
"His power is better than mine at that age, and he's a really good fielder. Wow."
I'm not sure Manny is a great judge of fielding, but I'll take the first part as being pretty great.
Does someone have to be considered a really good fielder to evaluate defense? I'm pretty sure Manny is not worse at catching baseballs than you or I for instance or even Jep Thoyerstink but we'll weigh in nontheless. This is great news.
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
He might be up when rosters expand in September. But he's not on the 40-man yet, so maybe not.
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
Absolutely - though I saw this on Twitter today. Very promising.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bshmy2mCQAAzTdr.png)
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 02:42:12 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
Absolutely - though I saw this on Twitter today. Very promising.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bshmy2mCQAAzTdr.png)
Seems like a pretty clear sign that he's figuring the league out and putting it all together. I might start writing homoerotic Parksian scouting reports in celebration.
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
Quote from: CBStew on July 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
That's not ... it isn't... there's no... ...
Quote from: CBStew on July 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
Major league coaches aren't the issue. The major league pitchers he would be facing are.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
That's not ... it isn't... there's no... ...
Now I get it. Stew just wants to see this dude in a Cub uni. It's fair.
But yeah the clock and service time bullshit yadda yadda yadda it ain't happening.
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
That's not ... it isn't... there's no... ...
Now I get it. Stew just wants to see this dude in a Cub uni. It's fair.
But yeah the clock and service time bullshit yadda yadda yadda it ain't happening.
What, Stew, watching those spring training homer videos isn't doing it for you anymore?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 14, 2014, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
That's not ... it isn't... there's no... ...
Now I get it. Stew just wants to see this dude in a Cub uni. It's fair.
But yeah the clock and service time bullshit yadda yadda yadda it ain't happening.
What, Stew, watching those spring training homer videos isn't doing it for you anymore?
I am not sure what constitutes "old school" in this debate. I think that when a player masters a certain level he isn't going to improve by staying at that level. You get better at chess when you play over your head, not under it. But if his strikeout rate is not improving, then I guess he isn't ready to move.
Quote from: CBStew on July 15, 2014, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 14, 2014, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
That's not ... it isn't... there's no... ...
Now I get it. Stew just wants to see this dude in a Cub uni. It's fair.
But yeah the clock and service time bullshit yadda yadda yadda it ain't happening.
What, Stew, watching those spring training homer videos isn't doing it for you anymore?
I am not sure what constitutes "old school" in this debate. I think that when a player masters a certain level he isn't going to improve by staying at that level. You get better at chess when you play over your head, not under it.
I don't feel that Javy has mastered AAA yet. It's close, but not quite there. It's definitely not the panic of May
Quote from: Yeti on July 15, 2014, 08:54:15 AM
Quote from: CBStew on July 15, 2014, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 14, 2014, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
That's not ... it isn't... there's no... ...
Now I get it. Stew just wants to see this dude in a Cub uni. It's fair.
But yeah the clock and service time bullshit yadda yadda yadda it ain't happening.
What, Stew, watching those spring training homer videos isn't doing it for you anymore?
I am not sure what constitutes "old school" in this debate. I think that when a player masters a certain level he isn't going to improve by staying at that level. You get better at chess when you play over your head, not under it.
I don't feel that Javy has mastered AAA yet. It's close, but not quite there. It's definitely not the panic of May
If he came up right now, it'd probably remind us all of early-season Olt. He'd hit a long home run often enough to keep people excited, but he'd strike out like 40% of the time. Since it's clear he's adjusting and trending in the right direction in AAA, it's probably best to let that continue for now.
Quote from: Yeti on July 15, 2014, 08:54:15 AM
Quote from: CBStew on July 15, 2014, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 14, 2014, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
That's not ... it isn't... there's no... ...
Now I get it. Stew just wants to see this dude in a Cub uni. It's fair.
But yeah the clock and service time bullshit yadda yadda yadda it ain't happening.
What, Stew, watching those spring training homer videos isn't doing it for you anymore?
I am not sure what constitutes "old school" in this debate. I think that when a player masters a certain level he isn't going to improve by staying at that level. You get better at chess when you play over your head, not under it.
I don't feel that Javy has mastered AAA yet. It's close, but not quite there. It's definitely not the panic of May
I'm with Yeti here. I want to see more sustained progress. Is it meatball to say that four months of gradual, upward arrow pointing isn't quite enough? Especially when there isn't a pressing need at the MLB level other than cookies and ticket sales.
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 08:59:34 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 15, 2014, 08:54:15 AM
Quote from: CBStew on July 15, 2014, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 14, 2014, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
That's not ... it isn't... there's no... ...
Now I get it. Stew just wants to see this dude in a Cub uni. It's fair.
But yeah the clock and service time bullshit yadda yadda yadda it ain't happening.
What, Stew, watching those spring training homer videos isn't doing it for you anymore?
I am not sure what constitutes "old school" in this debate. I think that when a player masters a certain level he isn't going to improve by staying at that level. You get better at chess when you play over your head, not under it.
I don't feel that Javy has mastered AAA yet. It's close, but not quite there. It's definitely not the panic of May
If he came up right now, it'd probably remind us all of early-season Olt. He'd hit a long home run often enough to keep people excited, but he'd strike out like 40% of the time. Since it's clear he's adjusting and trending in the right direction in AAA, it's probably best to let that continue for now.
The Cubs are doing the right thing here, protecting their investment. There's no point in bringing him up until he's damn good and ready. Hell, even Bryant could stand to lower his K rate a little more. Baez himself probably recognizes the value in this. If he doesn't, he can look across the clubhouse to Jackson and Vitters.
Quote from: Fork on July 15, 2014, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 08:59:34 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 15, 2014, 08:54:15 AM
Quote from: CBStew on July 15, 2014, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 14, 2014, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
That's not ... it isn't... there's no... ...
Now I get it. Stew just wants to see this dude in a Cub uni. It's fair.
But yeah the clock and service time bullshit yadda yadda yadda it ain't happening.
What, Stew, watching those spring training homer videos isn't doing it for you anymore?
I am not sure what constitutes "old school" in this debate. I think that when a player masters a certain level he isn't going to improve by staying at that level. You get better at chess when you play over your head, not under it.
I don't feel that Javy has mastered AAA yet. It's close, but not quite there. It's definitely not the panic of May
If he came up right now, it'd probably remind us all of early-season Olt. He'd hit a long home run often enough to keep people excited, but he'd strike out like 40% of the time. Since it's clear he's adjusting and trending in the right direction in AAA, it's probably best to let that continue for now.
The Cubs are doing the right thing here, protecting their investment. There's no point in bringing him up until he's damn good and ready. Hell, even Bryant could stand to lower his K rate a little more. Baez himself probably recognizes the value in this. If he doesn't, he can look across the clubhouse to Jackson and Vitters.
I don't think he sees the value in this, because he mentioned he should be up, and he was apparently a little ticked he didn't start the season on the Cubes. But, he'll get over it. He can have all that the thread title says for him.... in 2015
Quote from: Yeti on July 15, 2014, 09:53:51 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 15, 2014, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 08:59:34 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 15, 2014, 08:54:15 AM
Quote from: CBStew on July 15, 2014, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 14, 2014, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
That's not ... it isn't... there's no... ...
Now I get it. Stew just wants to see this dude in a Cub uni. It's fair.
But yeah the clock and service time bullshit yadda yadda yadda it ain't happening.
What, Stew, watching those spring training homer videos isn't doing it for you anymore?
I am not sure what constitutes "old school" in this debate. I think that when a player masters a certain level he isn't going to improve by staying at that level. You get better at chess when you play over your head, not under it.
I don't feel that Javy has mastered AAA yet. It's close, but not quite there. It's definitely not the panic of May
If he came up right now, it'd probably remind us all of early-season Olt. He'd hit a long home run often enough to keep people excited, but he'd strike out like 40% of the time. Since it's clear he's adjusting and trending in the right direction in AAA, it's probably best to let that continue for now.
The Cubs are doing the right thing here, protecting their investment. There's no point in bringing him up until he's damn good and ready. Hell, even Bryant could stand to lower his K rate a little more. Baez himself probably recognizes the value in this. If he doesn't, he can look across the clubhouse to Jackson and Vitters.
I don't think he sees the value in this, because he mentioned he should be up, and he was apparently a little ticked he didn't start the season on the Cubes. But, he'll get over it. He can have all that the thread title says for him.... in 2015
I think the last thing any of us want is a guy who says, "I'm really enjoying Iowa. It's quiet, no pressure, I mean belts are optional here. I'm not a belt kinda guy so Chicago can wait. What with their expectations and their dress codes and that. I'm good."
Quote from: Yeti on July 15, 2014, 09:53:51 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 15, 2014, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 08:59:34 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 15, 2014, 08:54:15 AM
Quote from: CBStew on July 15, 2014, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 14, 2014, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
That's not ... it isn't... there's no... ...
Now I get it. Stew just wants to see this dude in a Cub uni. It's fair.
But yeah the clock and service time bullshit yadda yadda yadda it ain't happening.
What, Stew, watching those spring training homer videos isn't doing it for you anymore?
I am not sure what constitutes "old school" in this debate. I think that when a player masters a certain level he isn't going to improve by staying at that level. You get better at chess when you play over your head, not under it.
I don't feel that Javy has mastered AAA yet. It's close, but not quite there. It's definitely not the panic of May
If he came up right now, it'd probably remind us all of early-season Olt. He'd hit a long home run often enough to keep people excited, but he'd strike out like 40% of the time. Since it's clear he's adjusting and trending in the right direction in AAA, it's probably best to let that continue for now.
The Cubs are doing the right thing here, protecting their investment. There's no point in bringing him up until he's damn good and ready. Hell, even Bryant could stand to lower his K rate a little more. Baez himself probably recognizes the value in this. If he doesn't, he can look across the clubhouse to Jackson and Vitters.
I don't think he sees the value in this, because he mentioned he should be up, and he was apparently a little ticked he didn't start the season on the Cubes. But, he'll get over it. He can have all that the thread title says for him.... in 2015
Every ballplayer wants to be in the majors. But he's currently playing the same position as an all-star at the major league level.
It'll be more than slightly fun watching him & Bryant duke it out for ROY next year though, once he starts figuring out second base in winter ball.
Quote from: Fork on July 15, 2014, 10:56:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 15, 2014, 09:53:51 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 15, 2014, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 08:59:34 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 15, 2014, 08:54:15 AM
Quote from: CBStew on July 15, 2014, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 14, 2014, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
That's not ... it isn't... there's no... ...
Now I get it. Stew just wants to see this dude in a Cub uni. It's fair.
But yeah the clock and service time bullshit yadda yadda yadda it ain't happening.
What, Stew, watching those spring training homer videos isn't doing it for you anymore?
I am not sure what constitutes "old school" in this debate. I think that when a player masters a certain level he isn't going to improve by staying at that level. You get better at chess when you play over your head, not under it.
I don't feel that Javy has mastered AAA yet. It's close, but not quite there. It's definitely not the panic of May
If he came up right now, it'd probably remind us all of early-season Olt. He'd hit a long home run often enough to keep people excited, but he'd strike out like 40% of the time. Since it's clear he's adjusting and trending in the right direction in AAA, it's probably best to let that continue for now.
The Cubs are doing the right thing here, protecting their investment. There's no point in bringing him up until he's damn good and ready. Hell, even Bryant could stand to lower his K rate a little more. Baez himself probably recognizes the value in this. If he doesn't, he can look across the clubhouse to Jackson and Vitters.
I don't think he sees the value in this, because he mentioned he should be up, and he was apparently a little ticked he didn't start the season on the Cubes. But, he'll get over it. He can have all that the thread title says for him.... in 2015
Every ballplayer wants to be in the majors. But he's currently playing the same position as an all-star at the major league level.
It'll be more than slightly fun watching him & Bryant duke it out for ROY next year though, once he starts figuring out second base in winter ball.
Second base should take a player of his ability about 15 minutes to "figure out."
Quote from: InternetApex on July 15, 2014, 11:00:51 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 15, 2014, 10:56:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 15, 2014, 09:53:51 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 15, 2014, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 08:59:34 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 15, 2014, 08:54:15 AM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 14, 2014, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
That's not ... it isn't... there's no... ...
Now I get it. Stew just wants to see this dude in a Cub uni. It's fair.
But yeah the clock and service time bullshit yadda yadda yadda it ain't happening.
What, Stew, watching those spring training homer videos isn't doing it for you anymore?
I am not sure what constitutes "old school" in this debate. I think that when a player masters a certain level he isn't going to improve by staying at that level. You get better at chess when you play over your head, not under it.
I don't feel that Javy has mastered AAA yet. It's close, but not quite there. It's definitely not the panic of May
If he came up right now, it'd probably remind us all of early-season Olt. He'd hit a long home run often enough to keep people excited, but he'd strike out like 40% of the time. Since it's clear he's adjusting and trending in the right direction in AAA, it's probably best to let that continue for now.
The Cubs are doing the right thing here, protecting their investment. There's no point in bringing him up until he's damn good and ready. Hell, even Bryant could stand to lower his K rate a little more. Baez himself probably recognizes the value in this. If he doesn't, he can look across the clubhouse to Jackson and Vitters.
I don't think he sees the value in this, because he mentioned he should be up, and he was apparently a little ticked he didn't start the season on the Cubes. But, he'll get over it. He can have all that the thread title says for him.... in 2015
Every ballplayer wants to be in the majors. But he's currently playing the same position as an all-star at the major league level.
It'll be more than slightly fun watching him & Bryant duke it out for ROY next year though, once he starts figuring out second base in winter ball.
Second base should take a player of his ability about 15 minutes to "figure out."
It sounds to me like in the probably slightly unlikely scenario that Baez, Bryant, Russell, Castro, and Al-Contra are all staying, and Bryant stays at third (which he has been pretty adamant about), that Baez would likely become a corner OF given his strong arm, with Al-Contra staying in CF, Bryant at 3B, and Russell/Castro being your middle infield.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 15, 2014, 10:53:10 AM
I think the last thing any of us want is a guy who says, "I'm really enjoying Iowa. It's quiet, no pressure, I mean belts are optional here. I'm not a belt kinda guy so Chicago can wait. What with their expectations and their dress codes and that. I'm good."
Yeah, he's had the MLB logo tattooed on his neck since high school. I don't think he's content just hanging out at AAA.
Quote from: SKO on July 15, 2014, 11:03:15 AM
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Quote from: Yeti on July 15, 2014, 09:53:51 AM
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Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 08:59:34 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 15, 2014, 08:54:15 AM
Quote from: CBStew on July 15, 2014, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 14, 2014, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
That's not ... it isn't... there's no... ...
Now I get it. Stew just wants to see this dude in a Cub uni. It's fair.
But yeah the clock and service time bullshit yadda yadda yadda it ain't happening.
What, Stew, watching those spring training homer videos isn't doing it for you anymore?
I am not sure what constitutes "old school" in this debate. I think that when a player masters a certain level he isn't going to improve by staying at that level. You get better at chess when you play over your head, not under it.
I don't feel that Javy has mastered AAA yet. It's close, but not quite there. It's definitely not the panic of May
If he came up right now, it'd probably remind us all of early-season Olt. He'd hit a long home run often enough to keep people excited, but he'd strike out like 40% of the time. Since it's clear he's adjusting and trending in the right direction in AAA, it's probably best to let that continue for now.
The Cubs are doing the right thing here, protecting their investment. There's no point in bringing him up until he's damn good and ready. Hell, even Bryant could stand to lower his K rate a little more. Baez himself probably recognizes the value in this. If he doesn't, he can look across the clubhouse to Jackson and Vitters.
I don't think he sees the value in this, because he mentioned he should be up, and he was apparently a little ticked he didn't start the season on the Cubes. But, he'll get over it. He can have all that the thread title says for him.... in 2015
Every ballplayer wants to be in the majors. But he's currently playing the same position as an all-star at the major league level.
It'll be more than slightly fun watching him & Bryant duke it out for ROY next year though, once he starts figuring out second base in winter ball.
Second base should take a player of his ability about 15 minutes to "figure out."
It sounds to me like in the probably slightly unlikely scenario that Baez, Bryant, Russell, Castro, and Al-Contra are all staying, and Bryant stays at third (which he has been pretty adamant about), that Baez would likely become a corner OF given his strong arm, with Al-Contra staying in CF, Bryant at 3B, and Russell/Castro being your middle infield.
Then Soler, Schwarber and Almora battle it out for 1 OF spot?
There's too much talent here.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 15, 2014, 11:08:53 AM
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Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 13, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Javy Baez unloading on a Lucas Giolito curve in the Futures Game for an oppo 2-R HR. Sploosh.
Baez says that he should be called up this season. Why not?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/chc/cubs-prospect-javier-baez-hits-two-run-homer-in-all-star-futures-game?ymd=20140713&content_id=84604296&vkey=news_chc
Because he's still got a ton to work on.
He might as well work on it with the major league coaches. He sure isn't going to drop the Cubs any lower in the standings.
That's not ... it isn't... there's no... ...
Now I get it. Stew just wants to see this dude in a Cub uni. It's fair.
But yeah the clock and service time bullshit yadda yadda yadda it ain't happening.
What, Stew, watching those spring training homer videos isn't doing it for you anymore?
I am not sure what constitutes "old school" in this debate. I think that when a player masters a certain level he isn't going to improve by staying at that level. You get better at chess when you play over your head, not under it.
I don't feel that Javy has mastered AAA yet. It's close, but not quite there. It's definitely not the panic of May
If he came up right now, it'd probably remind us all of early-season Olt. He'd hit a long home run often enough to keep people excited, but he'd strike out like 40% of the time. Since it's clear he's adjusting and trending in the right direction in AAA, it's probably best to let that continue for now.
The Cubs are doing the right thing here, protecting their investment. There's no point in bringing him up until he's damn good and ready. Hell, even Bryant could stand to lower his K rate a little more. Baez himself probably recognizes the value in this. If he doesn't, he can look across the clubhouse to Jackson and Vitters.
I don't think he sees the value in this, because he mentioned he should be up, and he was apparently a little ticked he didn't start the season on the Cubes. But, he'll get over it. He can have all that the thread title says for him.... in 2015
Every ballplayer wants to be in the majors. But he's currently playing the same position as an all-star at the major league level.
It'll be more than slightly fun watching him & Bryant duke it out for ROY next year though, once he starts figuring out second base in winter ball.
Second base should take a player of his ability about 15 minutes to "figure out."
It sounds to me like in the probably slightly unlikely scenario that Baez, Bryant, Russell, Castro, and Al-Contra are all staying, and Bryant stays at third (which he has been pretty adamant about), that Baez would likely become a corner OF given his strong arm, with Al-Contra staying in CF, Bryant at 3B, and Russell/Castro being your middle infield.
Then Soler, Schwarber and Almora battle it out for 1 OF spot?
There's too much talent here.
You're right. Epstink and Hoyer didn't even get the fucking math right. THIS IS WHY DEY NEEDED TO TRADE FOR PITCHERS
By this time next year, we could very well be looking at a lineup that has Kris Bryant, Javi Baez, Jorge Soler and Arismendy Alcantara for good.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 15, 2014, 11:20:27 AM
By this time next year, we could very well be looking at a lineup that has Kris Bryant, Javi Baez, Jorge Soler and Arismendy Alcantara for good.
I think it'd be a little surprising/disappointing if we weren't.
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 15, 2014, 11:20:27 AM
By this time next year, we could very well be looking at a lineup that has Kris Bryant, Javi Baez, Jorge Soler and Arismendy Alcantara for good.
I think it'd be a little surprising/disappointing if we weren't.
It's interesting you say that because I think there were more than a couple people who thought we'd see some of that group THIS year. Maybe in a prior CBA we would.
I want to see those guys too but I don't want to get my hopes up. I'll settle for seeing them when the org. deems them as ready.
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 11:50:08 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 15, 2014, 11:20:27 AM
By this time next year, we could very well be looking at a lineup that has Kris Bryant, Javi Baez, Jorge Soler and Arismendy Alcantara for good.
I think it'd be a little surprising/disappointing if we weren't.
It's interesting you say that because I think there were more than a couple people who thought we'd see some of that group THIS year. Maybe in a prior CBA we would.
I want to see those guys too but I don't want to get my hopes up. I'll settle for seeing them when the org. deems them as ready.
Seems pretty clear to me -- Alcantara is already up, Bryant is probably ready right now, and if Baez is still in AAA at this point next year, that'd be almost 1,000 plate appearances at the same level. They'd either be messing with his service time pretty severely or it means he's regressed. I don't really expect either to happen.
I guess Soler is a bit less certain, but a guy with his contract and pedigree would hopefully sniff the majors at age 23 (as long as he keeps performing as he has).
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 11:57:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 11:50:08 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 15, 2014, 11:20:27 AM
By this time next year, we could very well be looking at a lineup that has Kris Bryant, Javi Baez, Jorge Soler and Arismendy Alcantara for good.
I think it'd be a little surprising/disappointing if we weren't.
It's interesting you say that because I think there were more than a couple people who thought we'd see some of that group THIS year. Maybe in a prior CBA we would.
I want to see those guys too but I don't want to get my hopes up. I'll settle for seeing them when the org. deems them as ready.
Seems pretty clear to me -- Alcantara is already up, Bryant is probably ready right now, and if Baez is still in AAA at this point next year, that'd be almost 1,000 plate appearances at the same level. They'd either be messing with his service time pretty severely or it means he's regressed. I don't really expect either to happen.
I guess Soler is a bit less certain, but a guy with his contract and pedigree would hopefully sniff the majors at age 23 (as long as he keeps performing as he has).
All that, plus from what I recall Russell was on track to hit the majors in 2015 before his injury. If he can put together a solid few months and winter ball or AFL to show he's back on track, he could be up next year as well. Add all that to what should be $40 M plus for Epstink to spend on FA's this summer, and I predict some tingling feelings in our bathtime areas next year.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 15, 2014, 11:20:27 AM
By this time next year, we could very well be looking at a lineup that has Kris Bryant, Javi Baez, Jorge Soler and Arismendy Alcantara for good.
Plus two current all-stars. Pitchers are going to see their ERAs get fluffed up when they come to Wrigley Field.
DPD
Originally I only saw Arguello mention it (although he's solid on these things), but I'm seeing in more places that after Bonerface gets dealt, Baez is getting added to the 40-man and will be plying his trade to the right of Anthony Rizzo.
Quote from: Fork on July 31, 2014, 09:10:30 AM
DPD
Originally I only saw Arguello mention it (although he's solid on these things), but I'm seeing in more places that after Bonerface gets dealt, Baez is getting added to the 40-man and will be plying his trade to the right of Anthony Rizzo.
Javy Baez for first base coach?
Quote from: Fork on July 31, 2014, 09:10:30 AM
DPD
Originally I only saw Arguello mention it (although he's solid on these things), but I'm seeing in more places that after Bonerface gets dealt, Baez is getting added to the 40-man and will be plying his trade to the right of Anthony Rizzo.
What other places? Down at the Y?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 31, 2014, 09:45:12 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 31, 2014, 09:10:30 AM
DPD
Originally I only saw Arguello mention it (although he's solid on these things), but I'm seeing in more places that after Bonerface gets dealt, Baez is getting added to the 40-man and will be plying his trade to the right of Anthony Rizzo.
Javy Baez for first base coach?
STAGE RIGHT, DAMN IT.
*tosses boa over shoulder, flounces off*
Quote from: Bort on July 31, 2014, 09:52:55 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 31, 2014, 09:45:12 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 31, 2014, 09:10:30 AM
DPD
Originally I only saw Arguello mention it (although he's solid on these things), but I'm seeing in more places that after Bonerface gets dealt, Baez is getting added to the 40-man and will be plying his trade to the right of Anthony Rizzo.
Javy Baez for first base coach?
STAGE RIGHT, DAMN IT.
*tosses boa over shoulder, flounces off*
I wonder if Doc Emrick has ever used the word flounce.
Quote from: Bort on July 31, 2014, 09:52:55 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 31, 2014, 09:45:12 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 31, 2014, 09:10:30 AM
DPD
Originally I only saw Arguello mention it (although he's solid on these things), but I'm seeing in more places that after Bonerface gets dealt, Baez is getting added to the 40-man and will be plying his trade to the right of Anthony Rizzo.
Javy Baez for first base coach?
STAGE RIGHT, DAMN IT.
*tosses boa over shoulder, flounces off*
Of all people, Thrill should know it's stage right.
Quote from: Tony on July 31, 2014, 11:06:05 AM
Quote from: Bort on July 31, 2014, 09:52:55 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 31, 2014, 09:45:12 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 31, 2014, 09:10:30 AM
DPD
Originally I only saw Arguello mention it (although he's solid on these things), but I'm seeing in more places that after Bonerface gets dealt, Baez is getting added to the 40-man and will be plying his trade to the right of Anthony Rizzo.
Javy Baez for first base coach?
STAGE RIGHT, DAMN IT.
*tosses boa over shoulder, flounces off*
I wonder if Doc Emrick has ever used the word flounce.
"Elevatored down for the flounce ahead to Crosby..."
BUMP
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2014, 12:57:18 PM
BUMP
He's got two to three months to be ROY, MVP, and World Series MVP. It's gonna hai.
Considering how he needed a couple hundred PAs in Iowa to adjust, giving him a couple hundred in the NL is a damn fine idea. Now in 2015 he can hit the ground running.
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 02:20:40 PM
Considering how he needed a couple hundred PAs in Iowa to adjust, giving him a couple hundred in the NL is a damn fine idea. Now in 2015 he can hit the ground running.
Look, I don't know how to say it, but I totally agree with Fork.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 04, 2014, 02:22:28 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 02:20:40 PM
Considering how he needed a couple hundred PAs in Iowa to adjust, giving him a couple hundred in the NL is a damn fine idea. Now in 2015 he can hit the ground running.
Look, I don't know how to say it, but I totally agree with Fork.
I understand what each of those words mean individually, but together they make no sense...
I like that he's being called up against Colorado so he can have five MLB homers before Friday. Minimum.
DPD. I also like that Al's primary concern (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2014/8/4/5967785/javier-baez-recalled-cubs-news) as soon as we learned Baez is coming up is WHO GETS SENT DOWN TO MAKE ROOM???? He would like Chris Rusin or Blake Parker demoted "to at last get rid of the over-large eight-man bullpen," which, uh, okay. Priorities, people.
TPD!!!! I expect Baez to mash in Colorado, suck ass the rest of August, then put it together in September to the tune of, let's say, .240/.310/.500. Double-digit homers are completely possible if not, dare I say, likely. Where would you put the over-under?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 10:54:07 PM
TPD!!!! I expect Baez to mash in Colorado, suck ass the rest of August, then put it together in September to the tune of, let's say, .240/.310/.500. Double-digit homers are completely possible if not, dare I say, likely. Where would you put the over-under?
I think it'll be uglier than that. It's gonna look ugly, but that's ok
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 06:09:24 PM
DPD. I also like that Al's primary concern (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2014/8/4/5967785/javier-baez-recalled-cubs-news) as soon as we learned Baez is coming up is WHO GETS SENT DOWN TO MAKE ROOM???? He would like Chris Rusin or Blake Parker demoted "to at last get rid of the over-large eight-man bullpen," which, uh, okay. Priorities, people.
After years of bitching and moaning about The Plan, Alvin's getting ready to jump to the front of the parade.
I can't believe I have to wait six more hours to watch this fucking game.
This is like that day that Obi Wan was all, "C'mon we gotta go kill the emperor and stuff."
And Luke was all, "Nah, I gotta stay here on the farm and fuck with sand."
And then Luke found his aunt and uncle dead, their smoking carcasses mangled and stinking in the desert. And then it was on. He started owning motherfuckers with a lightsaber for as long as we can tell so far.
What I mean is. SHIT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN. The farm, the desert, the century of incompetence, the Goat, Al's queer blog... they're all dead and stinkin' now, octaroons.
COME ON 7:40!!!
Quote from: InternetApex on August 05, 2014, 01:26:28 PM
I can't believe I have to wait six more hours to watch this fucking game.
This is like that day that Obi Wan was all, "C'mon we gotta go kill the emperor and stuff."
And Luke was all, "Nah, I gotta stay here on the farm and fuck with sand."
And then Luke found his aunt and uncle dead, their smoking carcasses mangled and stinking in the desert. And then it was on. He started owning motherfuckers with a lightsaber for as long as we can tell so far.
What I mean is. SHIT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN. The farm, the desert, the century of incompetence, the Goat, Al's queer blog... they're all dead and stinkin' now, octaroons.
COME ON 7:40!!!
Just for this he's going to go 0-for-5 with 2 GIDPs, 3 strikeouts, and 3 errors. Way to go.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 05, 2014, 01:43:19 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 05, 2014, 01:26:28 PM
I can't believe I have to wait six more hours to watch this fucking game.
This is like that day that Obi Wan was all, "C'mon we gotta go kill the emperor and stuff."
And Luke was all, "Nah, I gotta stay here on the farm and fuck with sand."
And then Luke found his aunt and uncle dead, their smoking carcasses mangled and stinking in the desert. And then it was on. He started owning motherfuckers with a lightsaber for as long as we can tell so far.
What I mean is. SHIT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN. The farm, the desert, the century of incompetence, the Goat, Al's queer blog... they're all dead and stinkin' now, octaroons.
COME ON 7:40!!!
Just for this he's going to go 0-for-5 with 2 GIDPs, 3 strikeouts, and 3 errors. Way to go.
Bro, Luke got his hand cut plumb the fuck off before he saved the galaxy. These things take time.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 05, 2014, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 05, 2014, 01:43:19 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 05, 2014, 01:26:28 PM
I can't believe I have to wait six more hours to watch this fucking game.
This is like that day that Obi Wan was all, "C'mon we gotta go kill the emperor and stuff."
And Luke was all, "Nah, I gotta stay here on the farm and fuck with sand."
And then Luke found his aunt and uncle dead, their smoking carcasses mangled and stinking in the desert. And then it was on. He started owning motherfuckers with a lightsaber for as long as we can tell so far.
What I mean is. SHIT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN. The farm, the desert, the century of incompetence, the Goat, Al's queer blog... they're all dead and stinkin' now, octaroons.
COME ON 7:40!!!
Just for this he's going to go 0-for-5 with 2 GIDPs, 3 strikeouts, and 3 errors. Way to go.
Bro, Luke got his hand cut plumb the fuck off before he saved the galaxy. These things take time.
Would they hurry up and add him to the roster (http://cubs.mlb.com/team/roster_active.jsp?c_id=chc) already? I
wanna need to be first in line with my shirsey order.
DPD. Juddddd Sirottttt tweeted that Baez will wear #9. Get those jerseys and shirseys now, people.
SPLOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!! (http://cubs.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=35118117&c_id=mlb&topic_id=vtp_best_moments)
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 05, 2014, 11:47:22 PM
SPLOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!! (http://cubs.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=35118117&c_id=mlb&topic_id=vtp_best_moments)
I'm so happy that not only did he hit the dongness, but broke up that no-no. Imagine them losing his first big league game by being no hit in extra innings???
Can we get a .gif of that home run in here, please?
Quote from: SKO on August 06, 2014, 09:50:11 AM
Can we get a .gif of that home run in here, please?
(http://i.imgur.com/vhI6h6V.gif)
....you know, like one that shows where the ball went and everything
Quote from: SKO on August 06, 2014, 10:04:41 AM
....you know, like one that shows where the ball went and everything
Yeah, I knew that was coming...that's the only one I've seen so far this morning.
I made one, but it's ten meg...
(http://i.imgur.com/JfP6Gbr.gif)
Quote from: SKO on August 06, 2014, 10:36:17 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 06, 2014, 10:35:01 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JfP6Gbr.gif)
That'll do, pig.
The first one was too small, the new one is better.
Boone Logan also gave up the most awesome home run I've ever seen live, Derrek Lee's pinch hit grand slam against the White Sox in 2007, so I just love that guy. You do you, Boone.
Quote from: SKO on August 06, 2014, 10:48:45 AM
Boone Logan also gave up the most awesome home run I've ever seen live, Derrek Lee's pinch hit grand slam against the White Sox in 2007, so I just love that guy. You do you, Boone.
Now you can relive this over and over. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBSwm5n97ww)
Quote from: PenFoe on August 06, 2014, 10:53:14 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 06, 2014, 10:48:45 AM
Boone Logan also gave up the most awesome home run I've ever seen live, Derrek Lee's pinch hit grand slam against the White Sox in 2007, so I just love that guy. You do you, Boone.
Now you can relive this over and over. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBSwm5n97ww)
Christ that is a terrible video. The trip to that game was actually my high school graduation gift from my parents, and I was a little sad that Derrek was out with neck spasms as he was and still is (for now!) my favorite Cub I've ever watched, and then when he was pinch hitting I was quite happy.
Then he flailed awkwardly at the first pitch and I thought he maybe wasn't healthy enough to pinch hit. Then Boone missed three wide, Derrek drove the next pitch into the right field bleachers, Dad and I chest bumped and I got all of the warm tingly sensations baseball is supposed to give you when they do it right. I hope these kids lead to more of that. I miss those days.
Quote from: SKO on August 06, 2014, 10:48:45 AM
Boone Logan Lone Boogan also gave up the most awesome home run I've ever seen live, Derrek Lee's pinch hit grand slam against the White Sox in 2007, so I just love that guy. You do you, Boone.
Pat Hughes and Ron Santo'd.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 06, 2014, 10:35:01 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JfP6Gbr.gif)
I liked that it landed in the bullpen, where some grounds crew guy picked it up so (presumably) Baez could get it later. If it landed in the stands, it would be on eBay today.
That makes 2.
3.
Oh. My. God.
I wonder what the storyline will be about today's game?
Kyle Hendricks got his third win and struck out 4.
Quote from: CBStew on August 07, 2014, 05:22:07 PM
I wonder what the storyline will be about today's game?
Rizzo sits out. Cubs win.
Fire Rizzo.
2
(https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/thumb/862813673.gif?1407445953)
3
(https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/thumb/862815269.gif?1407448513)
Before he gets in here and tries to reposition himself as The Javy Baez guy, IAN tried trading him this morning.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 07, 2014, 05:27:05 PM
2
(https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/thumb/862813673.gif?1407445953)
Look where that ball is on #2 — it's inside, off the plate. He turns on it like it's right down the middle. Wow.
Quote from: SKO on August 07, 2014, 05:47:20 PM
Before he gets in here and tries to reposition himself as The Javy Baez guy, IAN tried trading him this morning.
IAN has actually been very consistent on never trying to be the Javy Baez guy. I mean, I'm sure that changes now, but we've got a thick dossier of him trying to be nearly every guy
except Baez.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 07, 2014, 06:43:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 07, 2014, 05:47:20 PM
Before he gets in here and tries to reposition himself as The Javy Baez guy, IAN tried trading him this morning.
IAN has actually been very consistent on never trying to be the Javy Baez guy. I mean, I'm sure that changes now, but we've got a thick dossier of him trying to be nearly every guy except Baez.
Well, fuck him then
If BATCOCK didn't sound like Bruce Wayne's dong, it might be applicable here.
Eh, that second one was a very Coors dong. If he does that at Wrigley with wind blowing in it's probably only going about 370 feet up some Chad's nostril.
I look forward to someone trying to challenge Baez with a fastball, he might knock down one of the rooftop buildings.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 08:51:23 AM
Eh, that second one was a very Coors dong. If he does that at Wrigley with wind blowing in it's probably only going about 370 feet up some Chad's nostril.
Homers at Coors don't count
via BN via Reddit:
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 08, 2014, 01:26:43 PM
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That is very cool however Gary Sheffield K and BB rates were off the charts insane (in a good way) and Javy's will be not so good.
Quote from: Slaky on August 08, 2014, 01:40:23 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 08, 2014, 01:26:43 PM
via BN via Reddit:
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That is very cool however Gary Sheffield K and BB rates were off the charts insane (in a good way) and Javy's will be not so good.
Yeah, although most people I've seen making the Baez/Sheffield comp have said the same thing. Bat speed is not the same as plate approach. Plus Javy probably has more raw power than Sheffield, at least at the same age anyway, so hopefully the tradeoff is more homers earlier. Sheffield average 18 homers a year before 1999 and then 35 a year between 1999-2005 because chemicals.
Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2014, 01:45:55 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 08, 2014, 01:40:23 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 08, 2014, 01:26:43 PM
via BN via Reddit:
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That is very cool however Gary Sheffield K and BB rates were off the charts insane (in a good way) and Javy's will be not so good.
Yeah, although most people I've seen making the Baez/Sheffield comp have said the same thing. Bat speed is not the same as plate approach. Plus Javy probably has more raw power than Sheffield, at least at the same age anyway, so hopefully the tradeoff is more homers earlier. Sheffield average 18 homers a year before 1999 and then 35 a year between 1999-2005 because chemicals.
Soler will be the guy with the insane K/BB totals. His minor league K rate is outstanding for someone with that much power.
That was a hell of an AB in the 6th inning. Down 0-2, Odorizzi is trying to get him to chase, Baez refuses to swing at a high fastball. Odorizzi bounces a change up there, it's 2-2. Odorizzi throws a slider away, Baez checks his swing to go 3-2. Along the way he's fouling off everything that could be called a strike including some tough splitters. Finally Baez goads Odorizzi into challenging him with a fastball and he one-hops the wall in left field (http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=35218949&c_id=mlb). Masterful.
In 37 at bats he is averaging .243, with 13 strikeouts and no walks.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/26572/baez-still-getting-into-swing-of-things?ex_cid=espnapi_public
Quote from: CBStew on August 13, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
In 37 at bats he is averaging .243, with 13 strikeouts and no walks.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/26572/baez-still-getting-into-swing-of-things?ex_cid=espnapi_public
Jesus, Stew.
Wow - we're melting down over good prospects being bad and so-so prospects being worse.
I hate all of you.
Dong.
FY, All Of You.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 07:57:11 PM
Dong.
FY, All Of You.
Texting my kids with game updates hasn't been this much fun in quite some time.
Fuck yeah.
Quote from: PANK! on August 13, 2014, 07:09:23 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 13, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
In 37 at bats he is averaging .243, with 13 strikeouts and no walks.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/26572/baez-still-getting-into-swing-of-things?ex_cid=espnapi_public
Jesus, Stew.
Just saying that fewer than 50 at bats is a little early to vote him into the Hall of Fame.
Quote from: CBStew on August 13, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
In 37 at bats he is averaging .243, with 13 strikeouts and no walks.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/26572/baez-still-getting-into-swing-of-things?ex_cid=espnapi_public
Baez has had an adjustment period following every promotion. This is why they brought him up now, when the games don't count as much. Next season he'll have it figured out when Soler and Rizzo - two guys who have hit the ground running at each level - show up.
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 10:58:54 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 13, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
In 37 at bats he is averaging .243, with 13 strikeouts and no walks.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/26572/baez-still-getting-into-swing-of-things?ex_cid=espnapi_public
Baez has had an adjustment period following every promotion. This is why they brought him up now, when the games don't count as much. Next season he'll have it figured out when Soler and Rizzo Bryant - two guys who have hit the ground running at each level - show up.
Fixed, I'm guessing.
I'm sorry but I don't think Fork needs to even excuse Baez to Stew by talking about his adjustment period. The guy's been fucking awesome since he got called up. Sure the lack of a walk sucks, but the strikeouts, and I cannot fucking stress this enough do not matter. They're just outs. If he'd shown a Pattersonian tendency to chase hopeless pitches, sure, and he's had a couple just plain bad at-bats, but for the most part I've seen a guy who sees a lot of pitches and sometimes misses them and sometimes hits them 500 feet. That is acceptable, because to this point it has added up to .878 OPS.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 07:57:11 PM
Dong.
FY, All Of You.
Onto the street, even. Best things about this homer (http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=35340727&c_id=mlb&topic_id=vtp_best_moments): Kyle Lohse's reaction. Martin Maldonado's reaction. Baez's almost Adrian Beltre-like kneel. Baez knowing it was gone as soon as he touched it. And finally that it was against the Brewers.
He absolutely fucking destroyed that ball. I absolutely destroyed my grundies.
I'm not worried about the lack of walks. I don't think they brought him up and said, "Ok, Javy, take some pitches, get yourself on base and let the guys behind you do work." They told him to do exactly what the fuck he's doing, learn to hit Major League pitching. Find out what pitchers are trying to do to him, and figure out how to take that away. They're not batting him second so he can get on base, they're doing it so he can get around 5-6 more plate appearances a week. If this were next year and they were trying to win something, this approach might not be advisable. That's another step in his development. If he takes a walk at this point, it's a wasted trip. SWING THE BAT, JAVY.
I know swinging at pitches a foot and a half outside in the dirt is not going to work. At some point, if it's proven to be the only way to avoid giving up a moon shot to Javy, that might be all he sees until he learns to lay off like Sosa did. It seems they are willing to challenge him now though and he's swinging and missing in the zone plenty. I think he's learning. He's been here a fucking week.
Quote from: Tonker on August 14, 2014, 02:41:02 AM
He absolutely fucking destroyed that ball. I absolutely destroyed my grundies.
I was
at the game so get ready for some analysis with BH/Slezak levels of importance:
You're right - he destroyed it. Haven't seen a ball get out onto Waveland that quickly since some Derrek Lee home run in 2009 that I can't remember the date of and now I'm wishing I had Huey's recall ability so I could look up the box score.
Quote from: R-V on August 14, 2014, 08:47:56 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 14, 2014, 02:41:02 AM
He absolutely fucking destroyed that ball. I absolutely destroyed my grundies.
I was at the game so get ready for some analysis with BH/Slezak levels of importance:
You're right - he destroyed it. Haven't seen a ball get out onto Waveland that quickly since some Derrek Lee home run in 2009 that I can't remember the date of and now I'm wishing I had Huey's recall ability so I could look up the box score.
I laughed hard.
Quote from: R-V on August 14, 2014, 08:47:56 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 14, 2014, 02:41:02 AM
He absolutely fucking destroyed that ball. I absolutely destroyed my grundies.
I was at the game so get ready for some analysis with BH/Slezak levels of importance:
You're right - he destroyed it. Haven't seen a ball get out onto Waveland that quickly since some Derrek Lee home run in 2009 that I can't remember the date of and now I'm wishing I had Huey's recall ability so I could look up the box score.
His uniform also had dirt on it, so the grit factor is in full effect.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 14, 2014, 12:40:17 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 07:57:11 PM
Dong.
FY, All Of You.
Onto the street, even. Best things about this homer (http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=35340727&c_id=mlb&topic_id=vtp_best_moments): Kyle Lohse's reaction. Martin Maldonado's reaction. Baez's almost Adrian Beltre-like kneel. Baez knowing it was gone as soon as he touched it. And finally that it was against the Brewers.
I love to watch old films of Babe Ruth seemingly flicking the bat at pitches that then went out of the park. What a difference between that and Baez who seems to put every part of his body into a swing. This is not a judgment call on "good or bad". It is just an observation.
Quote from: CBStew on August 14, 2014, 12:11:58 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 14, 2014, 12:40:17 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 07:57:11 PM
Dong.
FY, All Of You.
Onto the street, even. Best things about this homer (http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=35340727&c_id=mlb&topic_id=vtp_best_moments): Kyle Lohse's reaction. Martin Maldonado's reaction. Baez's almost Adrian Beltre-like kneel. Baez knowing it was gone as soon as he touched it. And finally that it was against the Brewers.
I love to watch old films of Babe Ruth seemingly flicking the bat at pitches that then went out of the park. What a difference between that and Baez who seems to put every part of his body into a swing. This is not a judgment call on "good or bad". It is just an observation.
I like watching old films of Reggie Jackson seemingly putting every part of his body into his swing. I saw Chris Davis of Baltimore hit one the other night in which he seemed to hardly move anything other than his wrists. I guess I like watching guys with a lot of power swing the bat just like Stew!
Quote from: CBStew on August 14, 2014, 12:11:58 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 14, 2014, 12:40:17 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 07:57:11 PM
Dong.
FY, All Of You.
Onto the street, even. Best things about this homer (http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=35340727&c_id=mlb&topic_id=vtp_best_moments): Kyle Lohse's reaction. Martin Maldonado's reaction. Baez's almost Adrian Beltre-like kneel. Baez knowing it was gone as soon as he touched it. And finally that it was against the Brewers.
I love to watch old films of Babe Ruth seemingly flicking the bat at pitches that then went out of the park. What a difference between that and Baez who seems to put every part of his body into a swing. This is not a judgment call on "good or bad". It is just an observation.
That's the way it looks on all of Bryant's homers. Every video I've seen looks like he's just throwing his hands out and bam it goes 400 feet the other way. It's amazing.
He will probably be the better player between him and Baez. But Baez has that Showtime thing. Must see at bats. He's Hollywood as hell and I love him. I hope it works out.
Quote from: Slaky on August 14, 2014, 12:35:31 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 14, 2014, 12:11:58 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 14, 2014, 12:40:17 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 07:57:11 PM
Dong.
FY, All Of You.
Onto the street, even. Best things about this homer (http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=35340727&c_id=mlb&topic_id=vtp_best_moments): Kyle Lohse's reaction. Martin Maldonado's reaction. Baez's almost Adrian Beltre-like kneel. Baez knowing it was gone as soon as he touched it. And finally that it was against the Brewers.
I love to watch old films of Babe Ruth seemingly flicking the bat at pitches that then went out of the park. What a difference between that and Baez who seems to put every part of his body into a swing. This is not a judgment call on "good or bad". It is just an observation.
That's the way it looks on all of Bryant's homers. Every video I've seen looks like he's just throwing his hands out and bam it goes 400 feet the other way. It's amazing.
He will probably be the better player between him and Baez. But Baez has that Showtime thing. Must see at bats. He's Hollywood as hell and I love him. I hope it works out.
I keep harping on it but he really does remind me of Soriano in his prime. There was no doubt the better, more consistent players were Lee and Ramirez, but Sori occasionally hit a ball to the goddamn moon, and sometimes had months where he hit 14 homers to nigh-singlehandedly carry the team to the playoffs, and was just appointment viewing when he was on. It's awesome. I love having someone on the Cubs that I stop what I'm doing to watch. I have missed this so much. I'm glad it's back.
Quote from: Slaky on August 14, 2014, 12:35:31 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 14, 2014, 12:11:58 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 14, 2014, 12:40:17 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 07:57:11 PM
Dong.
FY, All Of You.
Onto the street, even. Best things about this homer (http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=35340727&c_id=mlb&topic_id=vtp_best_moments): Kyle Lohse's reaction. Martin Maldonado's reaction. Baez's almost Adrian Beltre-like kneel. Baez knowing it was gone as soon as he touched it. And finally that it was against the Brewers.
I love to watch old films of Babe Ruth seemingly flicking the bat at pitches that then went out of the park. What a difference between that and Baez who seems to put every part of his body into a swing. This is not a judgment call on "good or bad". It is just an observation.
That's the way it looks on all of Bryant's homers. Every video I've seen looks like he's just throwing his hands out and bam it goes 400 feet the other way. It's amazing.
He will probably be the better player between him and Baez. But Baez has that Showtime thing. Must see at bats. He's Hollywood as hell and I love him. I hope it works out.
We had season tickets to the A's games in the heyday of the Bash Brothers, Canseco and McGwire. The fans were barely into the game until their at bats rolled around. You could see everyone in the stands come alive.
Quote from: Slaky on August 08, 2014, 10:01:45 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 08:51:23 AM
Eh, that second one was a very Coors dong. If he does that at Wrigley with wind blowing in it's probably only going about 370 feet up some Chad's nostril.
Homers at Coors don't count
Also I really kept expecting someone to throw a FYPex in here because of this article: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/javier-baez-and-the-anomalous-dinger/
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The ball screams off of Baez's bat and surprises even the Cubs' own announcers when it flies beyond the fence. What you're thinking, what we're all thinking: okay, big deal, it's Colorado. Even Baez himself has acknowledged that anything hit in the air in Colorado has a chance to go out. But this is why we have the ESPN Home Run Tracker. Baez hit the ball an estimated 105 miles per hour. It had a distance of 405 feet, and it had a standard distance — adjusting for altitude — of 402 feet. It was a legitimate shot that Baez hit
FYPex
Quote from: SKO on August 14, 2014, 12:47:06 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 08, 2014, 10:01:45 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 08:51:23 AM
Eh, that second one was a very Coors dong. If he does that at Wrigley with wind blowing in it's probably only going about 370 feet up some Chad's nostril.
Homers at Coors don't count
Also I really kept expecting someone to throw a FYPex in here because of this article: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/javier-baez-and-the-anomalous-dinger/
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The ball screams off of Baez's bat and surprises even the Cubs' own announcers when it flies beyond the fence. What you're thinking, what we're all thinking: okay, big deal, it's Colorado. Even Baez himself has acknowledged that anything hit in the air in Colorado has a chance to go out. But this is why we have the ESPN Home Run Tracker. Baez hit the ball an estimated 105 miles per hour. It had a distance of 405 feet, and it had a standard distance — adjusting for altitude — of 402 feet. It was a legitimate shot that Baez hit
FYPex
Why is that an FYPex? I had that ball traveling up some turd's beak in the bleachers, otherwise it just keeps going until it smashes a window on Sheffield.
Boom.
Pretty interesting statfhaggery from Fangraphs (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-pitchers-are-pitching-to-javier-baez/) on how pitchers already have a solid scouting report on Baez and they're not giving him anything to hit.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 19, 2014, 10:31:28 AM
Pretty interesting statfhaggery from Fangraphs (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-pitchers-are-pitching-to-javier-baez/) on how pitchers already have a solid scouting report on Baez and they're not giving him anything to hit.
Or, as noted in the comments (with an unnecessary swipe at Javy's intelligence), they see his minor league K rates and figure they don't
need to give him anything to hit - that he'll get himself out swinging at bad pitches. Part of his adjustment will be showing that he can lay off those pitches.
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2014, 11:03:23 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 19, 2014, 10:31:28 AM
Pretty interesting statfhaggery from Fangraphs (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-pitchers-are-pitching-to-javier-baez/) on how pitchers already have a solid scouting report on Baez and they're not giving him anything to hit.
Or, as noted in the comments (with an unnecessary swipe at Javy's intelligence), they see his minor league K rates and figure they don't need to give him anything to hit - that he'll get himself out swinging at bad pitches. Part of his adjustment will be showing that he can lay off those pitches.
Part of the adjustment will also be as the talent at the big-league level improves, Baez will get more ABs with runners on base - particularly 1st. This will mean more fastballs in/near the strike zone (to prevent stealing) and more balls being sent to far-away places.
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2014, 11:03:23 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 19, 2014, 10:31:28 AM
Pretty interesting statfhaggery from Fangraphs (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-pitchers-are-pitching-to-javier-baez/) on how pitchers already have a solid scouting report on Baez and they're not giving him anything to hit.
Or, as noted in the comments (with an unnecessary swipe at Javy's intelligence), they see his minor league K rates and figure they don't need to give him anything to hit - that he'll get himself out swinging at bad pitches. Part of his adjustment will be showing that he can lay off those pitches.
Yeah that guy more or less says "I have my doubts he's that smart because he sounds like a guy who can barely speak english". Because he's, y'know, not a native english speaker, moran.
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2014, 01:26:22 PM
Part of the adjustment will also be as the talent at the big-league level improves, Baez will get more ABs with runners on base - particularly 1st. This will mean more fastballs in/near the strike zone (to prevent stealing) and more balls being sent to far-away places.
I don't have the time to look it up, but this just
seems like something that isn't really statistically true.
Quote from: Eli on August 19, 2014, 02:15:22 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2014, 01:26:22 PM
Part of the adjustment will also be as the talent at the big-league level improves, Baez will get more ABs with runners on base - particularly 1st. This will mean more fastballs in/near the strike zone (to prevent stealing) and more balls being sent to far-away places.
I don't have the time to look it up, but this just seems like something that isn't really statistically true.
Kinda sounds like the "protection in the lineup" myth, which has been pretty heavily debunked at this point, no?
Quote from: Eli on August 19, 2014, 02:15:22 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2014, 01:26:22 PM
Part of the adjustment will also be as the talent at the big-league level improves, Baez will get more ABs with runners on base - particularly 1st. This will mean more fastballs in/near the strike zone (to prevent stealing) and more balls being sent to far-away places.
I don't have the time to look it up, but this just seems like something that isn't really statistically true.
Also, pretty sure the Cubs don't have any prospects that actually steal bases.
Quote from: Eli on August 19, 2014, 02:15:22 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2014, 01:26:22 PM
Part of the adjustment will also be as the talent at the big-league level improves, Baez will get more ABs with runners on base - particularly 1st. This will mean more fastballs in/near the strike zone (to prevent stealing) and more balls being sent to far-away places.
I don't have the time to look it up, but this just seems like something that isn't really statistically true.
His splits (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=baezja01&year=&t=b#bases::none) (38 PAs with bases empty vs. 24 PAs with men on - small sample size, I know.) show better numbers (a 63 point spread in OPS) with men on.
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2014, 02:28:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 19, 2014, 02:15:22 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2014, 01:26:22 PM
Part of the adjustment will also be as the talent at the big-league level improves, Baez will get more ABs with runners on base - particularly 1st. This will mean more fastballs in/near the strike zone (to prevent stealing) and more balls being sent to far-away places.
I don't have the time to look it up, but this just seems like something that isn't really statistically true.
His splits (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=baezja01&year=&t=b#bases::none) (38 PAs with bases empty vs. 24 PAs with men on - small sample size, I know.) show better numbers (a 63 point spread in OPS) with men on.
Also, he's blind. Remember? That should improve too with science.
Why do we need to spend so many words saying something that's so obvious? Javy should learn to lay off bad pitches. If he does, he will be unstoppable.
Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2014, 03:07:50 PM
Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
It might be more productive to search for players who K'd 150+ while putting up over 1.000 OPS. Sammy did that four times. It was the Nintendo era but still.
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2014, 03:07:50 PM
Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
Stanton is probably the gold standard of hope for guys who struck out a ton and are now awesome while striking out a little-less-ton.
Quote from: Eli on August 19, 2014, 03:24:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2014, 03:07:50 PM
Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
Stanton is probably the gold standard of hope for guys who struck out a ton and are now awesome while striking out a little-less-ton.
Yeah. I think Javy (and Bryant too) are going to be hard to project based on what guys have done in the past because players just K more now than they ever had. I wonder if part of that is sabermetric-based organizations that put less emphasis on avoiding Ks because they're just outs, and it's more important to see a lot of pitches and try to make good at bats than swinging and something you can pop up just to "put the ball in play"
Also, I found research on fastballs with runners at first and You'll Never Believe the Conclusion: http://www.billjamesonline.com/stats72/
Quote from: Eli on August 19, 2014, 03:32:31 PM
Also, I found research on fastballs with runners at first and You'll Never Believe the Conclusion: http://www.billjamesonline.com/stats72/
I guess Fork doesn't need to do the Ice Bucket Challenge now.
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2014, 03:07:50 PM
Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 19, 2014, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2014, 03:07:50 PM
Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace.
I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.
Quote from: Slaky on August 19, 2014, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 19, 2014, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2014, 03:07:50 PM
Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace.
I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.
He's the standard by which all prospects should be judged.
Quote from: Eli on August 19, 2014, 03:32:31 PM
Also, I found research on fastballs with runners at first and You'll Never Believe the Conclusion: http://www.billjamesonline.com/stats72/
Hey, learn something new every day.
As for his strikeout numbers though - power hitters will strike out a lot, it's just the way it is. Unless you get a freak like Sheffield or Bob Horner...or Jorge Soler.
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 19, 2014, 03:32:31 PM
Also, I found research on fastballs with runners at first and You'll Never Believe the Conclusion: http://www.billjamesonline.com/stats72/
Hey, learn something new every day.
As for his strikeout numbers though - power hitters will strike out a lot, it's just the way it is. Unless you get a freak like Sheffield or Bob Horner...or Jorge Soler.
yeah but those stereotypical power hitters that strike out a lot usually also walk a lot. They see lots of pitches in general. Look at Glaus. Walked 100+ times in 2 of his first three seasons. If Javy doesn't increase the walk rate his value may derive solely from his power his entire career, in which case that's a rough way to make a living because teams can just stay away from him if he won't make them pay for it.
For the record I think he'll adjust just because he has in the minors at every level, but it's definitely something that worries me.
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2014, 04:07:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 19, 2014, 03:32:31 PM
Also, I found research on fastballs with runners at first and You'll Never Believe the Conclusion: http://www.billjamesonline.com/stats72/
Hey, learn something new every day.
As for his strikeout numbers though - power hitters will strike out a lot, it's just the way it is. Unless you get a freak like Sheffield or Bob Horner...or Jorge Soler.
yeah but those stereotypical power hitters that strike out a lot usually also walk a lot. They see lots of pitches in general. Look at Glaus. Walked 100+ times in 2 of his first three seasons. If Javy doesn't increase the walk rate his value may derive solely from his power his entire career, in which case that's a rough way to make a living because teams can just stay away from him if he won't make them pay for it.
For the record I think he'll adjust just because he has in the minors at every level, but it's definitely something that worries me.
I heard him say that he's approaching these games in 2014 like Spring Training games. I don't think he made that up because that's a brazen thing for a rookie to say. I think they told him to approach his at bats this year a certain way so he can learn to HIT big league pitching. Next year they may ask him to be more patient. And we'll see what happens. But I'm not worried about his 2014 walk rate. At all.
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2014, 04:07:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 19, 2014, 03:32:31 PM
Also, I found research on fastballs with runners at first and You'll Never Believe the Conclusion: http://www.billjamesonline.com/stats72/
Hey, learn something new every day.
As for his strikeout numbers though - power hitters will strike out a lot, it's just the way it is. Unless you get a freak like Sheffield or Bob Horner...or Jorge Soler.
yeah but those stereotypical power hitters that strike out a lot usually also walk a lot. They see lots of pitches in general. Look at Glaus. Walked 100+ times in 2 of his first three seasons. If Javy doesn't increase the walk rate his value may derive solely from his power his entire career, in which case that's a rough way to make a living because teams can just stay away from him if he won't make them pay for it.
For the record I think he'll adjust just because he has in the minors at every level, but it's definitely something that worries me.
He's adjusted at every level, but the adjustment has taken time. That's why his being here now will be to great benefit when next season rolls around. Whenever Almora is ready, expect the same sort of deep learning curve.
Quote from: Slaky on August 19, 2014, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 19, 2014, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2014, 03:07:50 PM
Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace.
I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.
Another example:
Jayson Heyward
K rates:
20.5%
20.4%
23.3%
16.6%
15.6%
Granted, OPS has dropped also, but that's not what we're doing.
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2014, 03:05:39 PM
Why do we need to spend so many words saying something that's so obvious? Javy should learn to lay off bad pitches. If he does, he will be unstoppable.
I said that back in the spring and was tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. Or maybe that was just because I'm me... not sure.
Quote from: Slaky on August 19, 2014, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 19, 2014, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2014, 03:07:50 PM
Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace.
I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.
DPD. Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint. He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted. I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on. He was offended that I didn't recognize his face. That's my Troy Glaus story. You're welcome.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2014, 06:34:32 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 19, 2014, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 19, 2014, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2014, 03:07:50 PM
Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace.
I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.
DPD. Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint. He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted. I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on. He was offended that I didn't recognize his face. That's my Troy Glaus story. You're welcome.
Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.
Thanks, Eli.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 20, 2014, 10:49:11 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2014, 06:34:32 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 19, 2014, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 19, 2014, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2014, 03:07:50 PM
Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace.
I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.
DPD. Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint. He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted. I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on. He was offended that I didn't recognize his face. That's my Troy Glaus story. You're welcome.
Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.
Thanks, Eli.
Sterling omitted the part where he walked in and talked poor Troy's arm off about a million different things with no apparent point, which prompted Glaus to play the "Do you know who I am?" card to calm him down.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 20, 2014, 10:49:11 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2014, 06:34:32 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 19, 2014, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 19, 2014, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2014, 03:07:50 PM
Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace.
I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.
DPD. Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint. He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted. I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on. He was offended that I didn't recognize his face. That's my Troy Glaus story. You're welcome.
Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.
Thanks, Eli.
Why me?
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2014, 11:11:42 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 20, 2014, 10:49:11 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2014, 06:34:32 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 19, 2014, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 19, 2014, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2014, 03:07:50 PM
Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace.
I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.
DPD. Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint. He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted. I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on. He was offended that I didn't recognize his face. That's my Troy Glaus story. You're welcome.
Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.
Thanks, Eli.
Why me?
Because you compared Troy Glaus to Kris Bryant and now Pen is bringing up Glaus to make a point about Javy Baez and now Kris Bryant and Javy are both going to be jerks to Sterling Archer not unlike the rest of us. How hard is that to figure out jeez.
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Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace.
I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.
DPD. Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint. He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted. I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on. He was offended that I didn't recognize his face. That's my Troy Glaus story. You're welcome.
Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.
Thanks, Eli.
Why me?
Because you compared Troy Glaus to Kris Bryant and now Pen is bringing up Glaus to make a point about Javy Baez and now Kris Bryant and Javy are both going to be jerks to Sterling Archer not unlike the rest of us. How hard is that to figure out jeez.
How many times must I apologize for comping Kris Bryant to a 4-time All-Star who averaged 34 homers every 162 games? I said I'm SORRY.
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Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace.
I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.
DPD. Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint. He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted. I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on. He was offended that I didn't recognize his face. That's my Troy Glaus story. You're welcome.
Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.
Thanks, Eli.
Why me?
Because you compared Troy Glaus to Kris Bryant and now Pen is bringing up Glaus to make a point about Javy Baez and now Kris Bryant and Javy are both going to be jerks to Sterling Archer not unlike the rest of us. How hard is that to figure out jeez.
How many times must I apologize for comping Kris Bryant to a 4-time All-Star who averaged 34 homers every 162 games? I said I'm SORRY.
Keep apologizing. Because everyone knows Bryant is a 14-time All-Star, minimum.
Just curious, if you all had a choice between a guarantee of Bryant "just" making 4 All-Star Games and averaging 34 bombs a year, or rolling the dice that he ends up better (but could also bust), which would you choose?
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2014, 02:56:17 PM
Just curious, if you all had a choice between a guarantee of Bryant "just" making 4 All-Star Games and averaging 34 bombs a year, or rolling the dice that he ends up better (but could also bust), which would you choose?
If Kris Bryant is Troy Glaus I would take that in a heartbeat. Dude was a 124 OPS+ at the most powerful position in the most powerful era. Those numbers today would be amazing. If you promised me a Troy Glaus without the injuries that robbed him of about five seasons I would weep tears of joy.
Hell if you can guarantee me that Any of those prospects we're splooging over is going to be a regular for a decade with an OPS of .850 or better almost every year I would take it and wait for the titles to roll in.
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Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace.
I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.
DPD. Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint. He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted. I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on. He was offended that I didn't recognize his face. That's my Troy Glaus story. You're welcome.
Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.
Thanks, Eli.
Why me?
Because you compared Troy Glaus to Kris Bryant and now Pen is bringing up Glaus to make a point about Javy Baez and now Kris Bryant and Javy are both going to be jerks to Sterling Archer not unlike the rest of us. How hard is that to figure out jeez.
How many times must I apologize for comping Kris Bryant to a 4-time All-Star who averaged 34 homers every 162 games? I said I'm SORRY.
Mike Schmidt is the proper comp
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Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace.
I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.
DPD. Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint. He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted. I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on. He was offended that I didn't recognize his face. That's my Troy Glaus story. You're welcome.
Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.
Thanks, Eli.
Why me?
Because you compared Troy Glaus to Kris Bryant and now Pen is bringing up Glaus to make a point about Javy Baez and now Kris Bryant and Javy are both going to be jerks to Sterling Archer not unlike the rest of us. How hard is that to figure out jeez.
How many times must I apologize for comping Kris Bryant to a 4-time All-Star who averaged 34 homers every 162 games? I said I'm SORRY.
Mike Schmidt is the proper comp
So, true story - I was doing some research to make a big deal about how I wouldn't be satisfied with Troy Glaus because Bryant's power history to date (college and minors) was really unrivaled and I wanted to set the bar higher.
AND WOULDN'T YOU FUCKING KNOW IT...
Most Homers in a season, College, Third Basemen1. TROY FUCKING GLAUS - 34 (UCLA, 1997)
2. Kris Bryant - 31 (SDSU, 2013)
So I stopped there and now I hate everything.
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2014, 02:56:17 PM
Just curious, if you all had a choice between a guarantee of Bryant "just" making 4 All-Star Games and averaging 34 bombs a year, or rolling the dice that he ends up better (but could also bust), which would you choose?
Since the outcome is out of our control anyway, fuck it - he's Babe Motherfucking Ruth.
It's not our fault you didn't know Troy Glaus was good at baseball.
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Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?
From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace.
I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.
DPD. Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint. He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted. I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on. He was offended that I didn't recognize his face. That's my Troy Glaus story. You're welcome.
Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.
Thanks, Eli.
Why me?
Because you compared Troy Glaus to Kris Bryant and now Pen is bringing up Glaus to make a point about Javy Baez and now Kris Bryant and Javy are both going to be jerks to Sterling Archer not unlike the rest of us. How hard is that to figure out jeez.
How many times must I apologize for comping Kris Bryant to a 4-time All-Star who averaged 34 homers every 162 games? I said I'm SORRY.
Mike Schmidt is the proper comp
So, true story - I was doing some research to make a big deal about how I wouldn't be satisfied with Troy Glaus because Bryant's power history to date (college and minors) was really unrivaled and I wanted to set the bar higher.
AND WOULDN'T YOU FUCKING KNOW IT...
Most Homers in a season, College, Third Basemen
1. TROY FUCKING GLAUS - 34 (UCLA, 1997)
2. Kris Bryant - 31 (SDSU, 2013)
So I stopped there and now I hate everything.
The worst OPS+ Troy Glaus posted between age 23 (Bryant's presumed age when he becomes a big league regular) and age 31 was 113. The Worst. And that was in a better offensive era. If Kris Bryant is 13% better than league average in his worst year he has in his career and you're disappointed, you are an objectively terrible human being.
Excluding his rookie year and his last year Troy Glaus had an OPS+ of 127. That's the same OPS+ Aramis had in his Cub tenure. I don't know how well you remember Aramis Ramirez, but while it's not necessarily Bryant's best case scenario I would take another ten years of Prime Aramis again.
So let's note that Pen has basically shown today he hates the very mention of Derrek Lee and thinks Aramis Ramirez was a disappointment and that Kris Bryant would suck if that's who he ended up being. These are the facts, clearly stated.
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2014, 03:34:07 PM
It's not our fault you didn't know Troy Glaus was good at baseball.
Hey - I watched the shit out of Troy Glaus, (including our year together in AZ. 2005 4EVER)
He was a slow, lumbering, oft-injured meatball power hitter who had to retire at 33 because he was slow, oft-injured and starting to decline.
In 13 years, he never finished in the top 25 in MVP voting once and made the all-star game 4 times.
Has averaged 2.9 WAR/season for his career.
So no, that's not what I'm settling for when it comes to Kris Bryant right now.
Y'all want to sit back and pretend that what success looks like, then you deserve Eric Chavez 2.0
Bitches.
Fucking Travis Fryman loving motherfuckers.
If Bryant is less than a top 20 hitter in baseball for 8+ years, I'll be butthurt.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 20, 2014, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2014, 03:34:07 PM
It's not our fault you didn't know Troy Glaus was good at baseball.
Hey - I watched the shit out of Troy Glaus, (including our year together in AZ. 2005 4EVER)
He was a slow, lumbering, oft-injured meatball power hitter who had to retire at 33 because he was slow, oft-injured and starting to decline.
In 13 years, he never finished in the top 25 in MVP voting once and made the all-star game 4 times.
Has averaged 2.9 WAR/season for his career.
So no, that's not what I'm settling for when it comes to Kris Bryant right now.
Y'all want to sit back and pretend that what success looks like, then you deserve Eric Chavez 2.0
Bitches.
Yeah the funny thing about comps is that you're usually comparing a guy's hitting potential based on rate stats and what not, because it's hard to predict things like injuries and stuff. In seasons where he actually played more than 100 games Glaus never had a WAR below 3.1 until his very last year. IF Kris Bryant is Troy Glaus without the injuries, that's a really good hitter.
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It's not our fault you didn't know Troy Glaus was good at baseball.
Hey - I watched the shit out of Troy Glaus, (including our year together in AZ. 2005 4EVER)
He was a slow, lumbering, oft-injured meatball power hitter who had to retire at 33 because he was slow, oft-injured and starting to decline.
In 13 years, he never finished in the top 25 in MVP voting once and made the all-star game 4 times.
Has averaged 2.9 WAR/season for his career.
So no, that's not what I'm settling for when it comes to Kris Bryant right now.
Y'all want to sit back and pretend that what success looks like, then you deserve Eric Chavez 2.0
Bitches.
Yeah the funny thing about comps is that you're usually comparing a guy's hitting potential based on rate stats and what not, because it's hard to predict things like injuries and stuff. In seasons where he actually played more than 100 games Glaus never had a WAR below 3.1 until his very last year. IF Kris Bryant is Troy Glaus without the injuries, that's a really good hitter.
"Troy Glaus without the injuries" is seriously moving the goalposts here.
But then again...SKO. So, yeah.
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"Troy Glaus without the injuries" is seriously moving the goalposts here.
No it's not.
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Quote from: PenFoe on August 20, 2014, 03:55:20 PM
"Troy Glaus without the injuries" is seriously moving the goalposts here.
No it's not.
I don't think he gets player comps. When I compare someone to Troy Glaus I'm thinking they'll post similar statistics, not suffer similar injuries and life events. If I compared Jorge Soler to Lou Gehrig I don't expect him to suffer a debilitating muscle disease.
We need to tell Ted Lilly to go to a doctor before he ends up dead in his hotel room, since according to Baseball Reference he's one of the most similar pitchers to Darryl Kile.
INTREPID READER: PENFOE
I'm glad the Cubs got rid of James Russell. He may have been a nice LOOGY like Mike Remlinger, but those guys are ALWAYS breaking pinkies in recliners.
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"Troy Glaus without the injuries" is seriously moving the goalposts here.
No it's not.
Yes it is.
It's not, because comps are about general skill-sets. Circumstantial injuries aren't really relevant.
I guess I'm just confused what you're even railing against about at this point, besides living in Arizona at one point. Tons of people, including Jason McLeod, have cited Glaus as a comp for Bryant. That doesn't mean we aren't all hoping he'll be better than Glaus was; it just means they are similar in being tall hitters with tons of power, decent patience and a lot of Ks.
Perhaps Pen would be happier with a different tall-power-hitter comp? Like, say, Richie Sexson?
This is really entertaining. But wrong thread.
Quote from: Eli on August 20, 2014, 04:19:27 PM
Perhaps Pen would be happier with a different tall-power-hitter comp? Like, say, Richie Sexson?
So you're saying Bryant is going to suffer a subluxation in his shoulder and miss a year? Why do you hate Kris Bryant?
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2014, 04:25:25 PM
This is really entertaining. But wrong thread.
Oh right. This is the Javy Baez thread. I'd say he could be a HOF 2B in the mold of Robbie Alomar but Pen doesn't want him spitting on umpires.
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2014, 04:30:56 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2014, 04:25:25 PM
This is really entertaining. But wrong thread.
Oh right. This is the Javy Baez thread. I'd say he could be a HOF 2B in the mold of Robbie Alomar but Pen doesn't want him spitting on umpires.
He could be another Sandberg, but if he gets married he should expect some big disappointments.
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Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2014, 04:25:25 PM
This is really entertaining. But wrong thread.
Oh right. This is the Javy Baez thread. I'd say he could be a HOF 2B in the mold of Robbie Alomar but Pen doesn't want him spitting on umpires.
I'll take Alomar.
We can agree on this.
I actually think your Soriano comp isn't terrible here.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 20, 2014, 03:29:29 PM
So, true story - I was doing some research to make a big deal about how I wouldn't be satisfied with Troy Glaus because Bryant's power history to date (college and minors) was really unrivaled and I wanted to set the bar higher.
AND WOULDN'T YOU FUCKING KNOW IT...
Most Homers in a season, College, Third Basemen
1. TROY FUCKING GLAUS - 34 (UCLA, 1997)
2. Kris Bryant - 31 (SDSU USD, 2013)
So I stopped there and now I hate everything.
Fighting words'd
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Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2014, 04:30:56 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2014, 04:25:25 PM
This is really entertaining. But wrong thread.
Oh right. This is the Javy Baez thread. I'd say he could be a HOF 2B in the mold of Robbie Alomar but Pen doesn't want him spitting on umpires.
I'll take Alomar.
We can agree on this.
I actually think your Soriano comp isn't terrible here.
Impossible, Javy's never played in Japan
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Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2014, 04:30:56 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2014, 04:25:25 PM
This is really entertaining. But wrong thread.
Oh right. This is the Javy Baez thread. I'd say he could be a HOF 2B in the mold of Robbie Alomar but Pen doesn't want him spitting on umpires.
I'll take Alomar.
We can agree on this.
I actually think your Soriano comp isn't terrible here.
Impossible, Javy's never played in Japan
Not
yet.
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Part of the adjustment will also be as the talent at the big-league level improves, Baez will get more ABs with runners on base - particularly 1st. This will mean more fastballs in/near the strike zone (to prevent stealing) and more balls being sent to far-away places.
I don't have the time to look it up, but this just seems like something that isn't really statistically true.
His splits (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=baezja01&year=&t=b#bases::none) (38 PAs with bases empty vs. 24 PAs with men on - small sample size, I know.) show better numbers (a 63 point spread in OPS) with men on.
I'm more curious how we know he'll be getting more ABs with guys on base.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 20, 2014, 04:35:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2014, 04:30:56 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2014, 04:25:25 PM
This is really entertaining. But wrong thread.
Oh right. This is the Javy Baez thread. I'd say he could be a HOF 2B in the mold of Robbie Alomar but Pen doesn't want him spitting on umpires.
I'll take Alomar.
We can agree on this.
I actually think your Soriano comp isn't terrible here.
In that case I look forward to the Cubs trading him for a generational talent who keeps portraits of himself as a centaur in his home.
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Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2014, 01:26:22 PM
Part of the adjustment will also be as the talent at the big-league level improves, Baez will get more ABs with runners on base - particularly 1st. This will mean more fastballs in/near the strike zone (to prevent stealing) and more balls being sent to far-away places.
I don't have the time to look it up, but this just seems like something that isn't really statistically true.
His splits (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=baezja01&year=&t=b#bases::none) (38 PAs with bases empty vs. 24 PAs with men on - small sample size, I know.) show better numbers (a 63 point spread in OPS) with men on.
I'm more curious how we know he'll be getting more ABs with guys on base.
The Cubs have better hitters coming. It's been in all the papers.
Thought about this last night and I wonder if Pen is thinking when we say "comp," we mean "ceiling." Probably just a case of semantics, but I certainly don't think Bryant's ceiling is Troy Glaus. Maybe we need to do something more like this for projections:
Floor: Mark Reynolds
Middle: Troy Glaus
Ceiling: More Handsome Babe Ruth
Quote from: Eli on August 21, 2014, 08:51:40 AM
Thought about this last night and I wonder if Pen is thinking when we say "comp," we mean "ceiling." Probably just a case of semantics, but I certainly don't think Bryant's ceiling is Troy Glaus. Maybe we need to do something more like this for projections:
Floor: Mark Reynolds
Middle: Troy Glaus
Ceiling: More Handsome Babe Ruth
Or he's Troy Glaus, but only if every Troy Glaus season was his 2000 season.
.284/.404/.604/1.008, 47 HRs, OPS+ of 150, 7.8 WAR. WOULD THAT SATISFY YOU, PEN?! ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
Quote from: SKO on August 21, 2014, 09:06:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 21, 2014, 08:51:40 AM
Thought about this last night and I wonder if Pen is thinking when we say "comp," we mean "ceiling." Probably just a case of semantics, but I certainly don't think Bryant's ceiling is Troy Glaus. Maybe we need to do something more like this for projections:
Floor: Mark Reynolds
Middle: Troy Glaus
Ceiling: More Handsome Babe Ruth
Or he's Troy Glaus, but only if every Troy Glaus season was his 2000 season.
.284/.404/.604/1.008, 47 HRs, OPS+ of 150, 7.8 WAR. WOULD THAT SATISFY YOU, PEN?! ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
We can agree on this.
Glad you came around after declaring Bryant's career an injury-riddled disappointment.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 20, 2014, 03:29:29 PM
So, true story - I was doing some research to make a big deal about how I wouldn't be satisfied with Troy Glaus because Bryant's power history to date (college and minors) was really unrivaled and I wanted to set the bar higher.
AND WOULDN'T YOU FUCKING KNOW IT...
Most Homers in a season, College, Third Basemen
1. TROY FUCKING GLAUS - 34 (UCLA, 1997)
2. Kris Bryant - 31 (SDSU, 2013)
So I stopped there and now I hate everything.
If it eases your mind at all, remind yourself that Bryant's 31 came in college ball's brave new BBCOR era (http://www.acs.psu.edu/drussell/bats/NCAA-stats.html)...
(http://i.imgur.com/USIzHrp.jpg)
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Quote from: PenFoe on August 20, 2014, 03:29:29 PM
So, true story - I was doing some research to make a big deal about how I wouldn't be satisfied with Troy Glaus because Bryant's power history to date (college and minors) was really unrivaled and I wanted to set the bar higher.
AND WOULDN'T YOU FUCKING KNOW IT...
Most Homers in a season, College, Third Basemen
1. TROY FUCKING GLAUS - 34 (UCLA, 1997)
2. Kris Bryant - 31 (SDSU, 2013)
So I stopped there and now I hate everything.
If it eases your mind at all, remind yourself that Bryant's 31 came in college ball's brave new BBCOR era (http://www.acs.psu.edu/drussell/bats/NCAA-stats.html)...
(http://i.imgur.com/USIzHrp.jpg)
A major victory for the Kris Bryant Sure Fire Hall Of Famer crowd.
He hit 31 homers using a pool noodle.
Quote from: Slaky on August 21, 2014, 11:09:25 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 21, 2014, 11:08:18 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 20, 2014, 03:29:29 PM
So, true story - I was doing some research to make a big deal about how I wouldn't be satisfied with Troy Glaus because Bryant's power history to date (college and minors) was really unrivaled and I wanted to set the bar higher.
AND WOULDN'T YOU FUCKING KNOW IT...
Most Homers in a season, College, Third Basemen
1. TROY FUCKING GLAUS - 34 (UCLA, 1997)
2. Kris Bryant - 31 (SDSU, 2013)
So I stopped there and now I hate everything.
If it eases your mind at all, remind yourself that Bryant's 31 came in college ball's brave new BBCOR era (http://www.acs.psu.edu/drussell/bats/NCAA-stats.html)...
(http://i.imgur.com/USIzHrp.jpg)
A major victory for the Kris Bryant Sure Fire Hall Of Famer crowd.
He hit 31 homers using a pool noodle.
*fist pump*
Glaus hit 34 in 1997 when the HR/G rate was ~.96.
Bryant hit 31 in 2013 when the HR/G rate was ~.42.
Either Bryant would've hit 71 dongs in 1997, Glaus would've hit 15 dongs in 2013, or math is a lie.
MORE HANDSOME BABE RUTH
Quote from: ChuckD on August 21, 2014, 11:49:59 AM
Glaus hit 34 in 1997 when the HR/G rate was ~.96.
Bryant hit 31 in 2013 when the HR/G rate was ~.42.
Either Bryant would've hit 71 dongs in 1997, Glaus would've hit 15 dongs in 2013, or math is a lie.
MORE HANDSOME BABE RUTH
I'm gonna go with that third thing and just throw "math" in the bin with "science".
Quote from: CT III on August 21, 2014, 12:05:06 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 21, 2014, 11:49:59 AM
Glaus hit 34 in 1997 when the HR/G rate was ~.96.
Bryant hit 31 in 2013 when the HR/G rate was ~.42.
Either Bryant would've hit 71 dongs in 1997, Glaus would've hit 15 dongs in 2013, or math is a lie.
MORE HANDSOME BABE RUTH
I'm gonna go with that third thing and just throw "math" in the bin with "science".
I concur:
(http://i.vimeocdn.com/video/442986143_640.jpg)
We can close this thread. This Baez kid STINKS!
Quote from: Slaky on August 22, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
We can close this thread. This Baez kid STINKS!
I don't listen to Matt Spiegel but I do listen to transition via podcast and apparently Spiegel has decided that it's time to trade Baez because he doesn't like what he's seen. I hate Cubs fans. Trade Castro, trade Baez, ..?.. profit.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 03, 2014, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 22, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
We can close this thread. This Baez kid STINKS!
I don't listen to Matt Spiegel but I do listen to transition via podcast and apparently Spiegel has decided that it's time to trade Baez because he doesn't like what he's seen. I hate Cubs fans. Trade Castro, trade Baez, ..?.. profit.
I listened to him explain himself yesterday. What I heard him say was that if you hypothetically were going to trade an asset THIS offseason, you would deal Baez because his value is high and he's replaceable with Castro and Russell around. That's what prompted his callers to counter with TRADE CASTRO ZOMG!!!111!!!
Spiegel is a dork and I don't like his show. Pat Mannelly is milquetoast at best and if his sage football wisdom consists of the meatball shit we heard him say about Briggs yesterday, they might as well not bother. I would have rather seen Jason Goff get that gig. They could have paired him with Holmes and relegated Spiegs to the 6 p.m.-whenever the fuck slot. Spiegel got that job because Danny Mac insisted on him. Now Mac is gone and they're keeping Spiegs. No idea what that's about. White people, I guess.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 04, 2014, 08:58:19 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 03, 2014, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 22, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
We can close this thread. This Baez kid STINKS!
I don't listen to Matt Spiegel but I do listen to transition via podcast and apparently Spiegel has decided that it's time to trade Baez because he doesn't like what he's seen. I hate Cubs fans. Trade Castro, trade Baez, ..?.. profit.
I listened to him explain himself yesterday. What I heard him say was that if you hypothetically were going to trade an asset THIS offseason, you would deal Baez because his value is high and he's replaceable with Castro and Russell around. That's what prompted his callers to counter with TRADE CASTRO ZOMG!!!111!!!
Spiegel is a dork and I don't like his show. Pat Mannelly is milquetoast at best and if his sage football wisdom consists of the meatball shit we heard him say about Briggs yesterday, they might as well not bother. I would have rather seen Jason Goff get that gig. They could have paired him with Holmes and relegated Spiegs to the 6 p.m.-whenever the fuck slot. Spiegel got that job because Danny Mac insisted on him. Now Mac is gone and they're keeping Spiegs. No idea what that's about. White people, I guess.
GOTTA TRADE SOMEONE!
*picks hanging turd out of own ass sniffs it and eats it*
Quote from: Slaky on September 04, 2014, 09:07:01 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 04, 2014, 08:58:19 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 03, 2014, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 22, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
We can close this thread. This Baez kid STINKS!
I don't listen to Matt Spiegel but I do listen to transition via podcast and apparently Spiegel has decided that it's time to trade Baez because he doesn't like what he's seen. I hate Cubs fans. Trade Castro, trade Baez, ..?.. profit.
I listened to him explain himself yesterday. What I heard him say was that if you hypothetically were going to trade an asset THIS offseason, you would deal Baez because his value is high and he's replaceable with Castro and Russell around. That's what prompted his callers to counter with TRADE CASTRO ZOMG!!!111!!!
Spiegel is a dork and I don't like his show. Pat Mannelly is milquetoast at best and if his sage football wisdom consists of the meatball shit we heard him say about Briggs yesterday, they might as well not bother. I would have rather seen Jason Goff get that gig. They could have paired him with Holmes and relegated Spiegs to the 6 p.m.-whenever the fuck slot. Spiegel got that job because Danny Mac insisted on him. Now Mac is gone and they're keeping Spiegs. No idea what that's about. White people, I guess.
GOTTA TRADE SOMEONE!
*picks hanging turd out of own ass sniffs it and eats it*
I'm just confused how Gordo can declare the Cubs' rebuild a failure but also say they are so overstuffed with good players that they need to trade some of them.
Quote from: Eli on September 04, 2014, 09:31:51 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 04, 2014, 09:07:01 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 04, 2014, 08:58:19 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 03, 2014, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 22, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
We can close this thread. This Baez kid STINKS!
I don't listen to Matt Spiegel but I do listen to transition via podcast and apparently Spiegel has decided that it's time to trade Baez because he doesn't like what he's seen. I hate Cubs fans. Trade Castro, trade Baez, ..?.. profit.
I listened to him explain himself yesterday. What I heard him say was that if you hypothetically were going to trade an asset THIS offseason, you would deal Baez because his value is high and he's replaceable with Castro and Russell around. That's what prompted his callers to counter with TRADE CASTRO ZOMG!!!111!!!
Spiegel is a dork and I don't like his show. Pat Mannelly is milquetoast at best and if his sage football wisdom consists of the meatball shit we heard him say about Briggs yesterday, they might as well not bother. I would have rather seen Jason Goff get that gig. They could have paired him with Holmes and relegated Spiegs to the 6 p.m.-whenever the fuck slot. Spiegel got that job because Danny Mac insisted on him. Now Mac is gone and they're keeping Spiegs. No idea what that's about. White people, I guess.
GOTTA TRADE SOMEONE!
*picks hanging turd out of own ass sniffs it and eats it*
I'm just confused how Gordo can declare the Cubs' rebuild a failure but also say they are so overstuffed with good players that they need to trade some of them.
It's a failure until they fix it and start winning. You of all people should understand that concept.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 04, 2014, 11:03:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 04, 2014, 09:31:51 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 04, 2014, 09:07:01 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 04, 2014, 08:58:19 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 03, 2014, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 22, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
We can close this thread. This Baez kid STINKS!
I don't listen to Matt Spiegel but I do listen to transition via podcast and apparently Spiegel has decided that it's time to trade Baez because he doesn't like what he's seen. I hate Cubs fans. Trade Castro, trade Baez, ..?.. profit.
I listened to him explain himself yesterday. What I heard him say was that if you hypothetically were going to trade an asset THIS offseason, you would deal Baez because his value is high and he's replaceable with Castro and Russell around. That's what prompted his callers to counter with TRADE CASTRO ZOMG!!!111!!!
Spiegel is a dork and I don't like his show. Pat Mannelly is milquetoast at best and if his sage football wisdom consists of the meatball shit we heard him say about Briggs yesterday, they might as well not bother. I would have rather seen Jason Goff get that gig. They could have paired him with Holmes and relegated Spiegs to the 6 p.m.-whenever the fuck slot. Spiegel got that job because Danny Mac insisted on him. Now Mac is gone and they're keeping Spiegs. No idea what that's about. White people, I guess.
GOTTA TRADE SOMEONE!
*picks hanging turd out of own ass sniffs it and eats it*
I'm just confused how Gordo can declare the Cubs' rebuild a failure but also say they are so overstuffed with good players that they need to trade some of them.
It's a failure until they fix it and start winning. You of all people should understand that concept.
A good thing i read from Sahadev says essentially it's going to be "who's getting traded?" stories until all of these guys are on the field together in Cub uniforms. Until that day, should it ever occur, the media will run wild with trade speculation. And they'll be wrong the whole time.
Quote from: Slaky on September 04, 2014, 11:11:44 AM
A good thing i read from Sahadev says essentially it's going to be "who's getting traded?" stories until all of these guys are on the field together in Cub uniforms. Until that day, should it ever occur, the media will run wild with trade speculation. And they'll be wrong the whole time.
I think his point about "how it's written" is key. There's nothing wrong with trade speculation, especially for a team like the Cubs. And it's not impossible that key guys could be traded this offseason. But Gordon is just stirring crap up and it's annoying.
Quote from: Slaky on September 04, 2014, 11:11:44 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 04, 2014, 11:03:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 04, 2014, 09:31:51 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 04, 2014, 09:07:01 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 04, 2014, 08:58:19 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 03, 2014, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 22, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
We can close this thread. This Baez kid STINKS!
I don't listen to Matt Spiegel but I do listen to transition via podcast and apparently Spiegel has decided that it's time to trade Baez because he doesn't like what he's seen. I hate Cubs fans. Trade Castro, trade Baez, ..?.. profit.
I listened to him explain himself yesterday. What I heard him say was that if you hypothetically were going to trade an asset THIS offseason, you would deal Baez because his value is high and he's replaceable with Castro and Russell around. That's what prompted his callers to counter with TRADE CASTRO ZOMG!!!111!!!
Spiegel is a dork and I don't like his show. Pat Mannelly is milquetoast at best and if his sage football wisdom consists of the meatball shit we heard him say about Briggs yesterday, they might as well not bother. I would have rather seen Jason Goff get that gig. They could have paired him with Holmes and relegated Spiegs to the 6 p.m.-whenever the fuck slot. Spiegel got that job because Danny Mac insisted on him. Now Mac is gone and they're keeping Spiegs. No idea what that's about. White people, I guess.
GOTTA TRADE SOMEONE!
*picks hanging turd out of own ass sniffs it and eats it*
I'm just confused how Gordo can declare the Cubs' rebuild a failure but also say they are so overstuffed with good players that they need to trade some of them.
It's a failure until they fix it and start winning. You of all people should understand that concept.
A good thing i read from Sahadev says essentially it's going to be "who's getting traded?" stories until all of these guys are on the field together in Cub uniforms. Until that day, should it ever occur, the media will run wild with trade speculation. And they'll be wrong the whole time.
Perhaps. But it sure seems likely someone is going. There's only 8 spots on the field. I'm going to say that RF and 1B are locked up pretty good right now.
So, in the other 6 slots you have these guys:
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Almora
Bryant
Schwarber
Russell
That's 7 guys for 6 slots. And, if Schwarber doesn't stick at catcher, it's 7 guys for 5 slots. Now, I don't think that it's very likely that all of them will pan out, so that could make some decisions easier. But I also think Theo will trade someone from that list either before it's obvious the guy won't pan out or to generate value in the form of pitching. And Theo has a history of making big trades.
Yes, the stories are going to be repetitive and boring. But I don't think they'll be wrong the whole time.
Quote from: Eli on September 04, 2014, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 04, 2014, 11:11:44 AM
A good thing i read from Sahadev says essentially it's going to be "who's getting traded?" stories until all of these guys are on the field together in Cub uniforms. Until that day, should it ever occur, the media will run wild with trade speculation. And they'll be wrong the whole time.
I think his point about "how it's written" is key. There's nothing wrong with trade speculation, especially for a team like the Cubs. And it's not impossible that key guys could be traded this offseason. But Gordon is just stirring crap up and it's annoying.
THIS
Fuck Gordo, back to Baez.
Since taking the golden sombrero in Cincinatti 8/26, he's struck out 11 times in 39 PAs, and he's also walked in each of the last two games.
I know it's not much, but hopefully this means he's going to start forcing pitchers to get inside the strike zone on him.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 04, 2014, 11:30:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 04, 2014, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 04, 2014, 11:11:44 AM
A good thing i read from Sahadev says essentially it's going to be "who's getting traded?" stories until all of these guys are on the field together in Cub uniforms. Until that day, should it ever occur, the media will run wild with trade speculation. And they'll be wrong the whole time.
I think his point about "how it's written" is key. There's nothing wrong with trade speculation, especially for a team like the Cubs. And it's not impossible that key guys could be traded this offseason. But Gordon is just stirring crap up and it's annoying.
THIS
Plus, as a fan, trade speculation should be fun to read and discuss. But we're not trolling for clicks/reactions like Gordo.
Quote from: Eli on September 04, 2014, 11:39:55 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 04, 2014, 11:30:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 04, 2014, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 04, 2014, 11:11:44 AM
A good thing i read from Sahadev says essentially it's going to be "who's getting traded?" stories until all of these guys are on the field together in Cub uniforms. Until that day, should it ever occur, the media will run wild with trade speculation. And they'll be wrong the whole time.
I think his point about "how it's written" is key. There's nothing wrong with trade speculation, especially for a team like the Cubs. And it's not impossible that key guys could be traded this offseason. But Gordon is just stirring crap up and it's annoying.
THIS
Plus, as a fan, trade speculation should be fun to read and discuss. But we're not trolling for clicks/reactions like Gordo.
He did a "Bryant Should Be Here" piece the other day filled with quotes from Scott Boras. Least surprising something something.
Quote from: Fork on September 04, 2014, 11:32:31 AM
Fuck Gordo, back to Baez.
Since taking the golden sombrero in Cincinatti 8/26, he's struck out 11 times in 39 PAs, and he's also walked in each of the last two games.
I know it's not much, but hopefully this means he's going to start forcing pitchers to get inside the strike zone on him.
They said if he qualified, he'd be 7th in the majors in pitches seen per plate appearance. He'll find it.
Baez made a couple of really nice plays yesterday, but this was the pick of the bunch (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2014_09_07_pitmlb_chnmlb_1&mode=video&content_id=36040645&tcid=vpp_copy_36040645).
Intrepid Reader: Chuck
Trade Castro!!!1!
Quote from: Slaky on September 04, 2014, 12:28:50 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 04, 2014, 11:32:31 AM
Fuck Gordo, back to Baez.
Since taking the golden sombrero in Cincinatti 8/26, he's struck out 11 times in 39 PAs, and he's also walked in each of the last two games.
I know it's not much, but hopefully this means he's going to start forcing pitchers to get inside the strike zone on him.
They said if he qualified, he'd be 7th in the majors in pitches seen per plate appearance. He'll find it.
I mean, that'll happen when you swing and miss as much as he does. But I agree, he'll find it.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 08, 2014, 08:57:27 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 04, 2014, 12:28:50 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 04, 2014, 11:32:31 AM
Fuck Gordo, back to Baez.
Since taking the golden sombrero in Cincinatti 8/26, he's struck out 11 times in 39 PAs, and he's also walked in each of the last two games.
I know it's not much, but hopefully this means he's going to start forcing pitchers to get inside the strike zone on him.
They said if he qualified, he'd be 7th in the majors in pitches seen per plate appearance. He'll find it.
I mean, that'll happen when you swing and miss as much as he does. But I agree, he'll find it.
that's a good point. I guess the next step would be how many balls vs strikes seen per at bat? How many fouls? I don't know. Seeing pitches is good no matter what since it tires the pitcher out just the same.
Quote from: Slaky on September 08, 2014, 09:30:37 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 08, 2014, 08:57:27 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 04, 2014, 12:28:50 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 04, 2014, 11:32:31 AM
Fuck Gordo, back to Baez.
Since taking the golden sombrero in Cincinatti 8/26, he's struck out 11 times in 39 PAs, and he's also walked in each of the last two games.
I know it's not much, but hopefully this means he's going to start forcing pitchers to get inside the strike zone on him.
They said if he qualified, he'd be 7th in the majors in pitches seen per plate appearance. He'll find it.
I mean, that'll happen when you swing and miss as much as he does. But I agree, he'll find it.
that's a good point. I guess the next step would be how many balls vs strikes seen per at bat? How many fouls? I don't know. Seeing pitches is good no matter what since it tires the pitcher out just the same.
I'm flashing back to Apex's hatred of Matt Murton, along with my favorite line of his, something to the effect that Murton's greatest strength as a hitter was not swinging the bat.
Quote from: CT III on September 08, 2014, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 08, 2014, 09:30:37 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 08, 2014, 08:57:27 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 04, 2014, 12:28:50 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 04, 2014, 11:32:31 AM
Fuck Gordo, back to Baez.
Since taking the golden sombrero in Cincinatti 8/26, he's struck out 11 times in 39 PAs, and he's also walked in each of the last two games.
I know it's not much, but hopefully this means he's going to start forcing pitchers to get inside the strike zone on him.
They said if he qualified, he'd be 7th in the majors in pitches seen per plate appearance. He'll find it.
I mean, that'll happen when you swing and miss as much as he does. But I agree, he'll find it.
that's a good point. I guess the next step would be how many balls vs strikes seen per at bat? How many fouls? I don't know. Seeing pitches is good no matter what since it tires the pitcher out just the same.
I'm flashing back to Apex's hatred of Matt Murton here, along with my favorite line of his, something to the effect that Murton's greatest strength as a hitter was not swinging the bat.
That's also a good point.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 08, 2014, 09:53:48 AM
Quote from: CT III on September 08, 2014, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 08, 2014, 09:30:37 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 08, 2014, 08:57:27 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 04, 2014, 12:28:50 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 04, 2014, 11:32:31 AM
Fuck Gordo, back to Baez.
Since taking the golden sombrero in Cincinatti 8/26, he's struck out 11 times in 39 PAs, and he's also walked in each of the last two games.
I know it's not much, but hopefully this means he's going to start forcing pitchers to get inside the strike zone on him.
They said if he qualified, he'd be 7th in the majors in pitches seen per plate appearance. He'll find it.
I mean, that'll happen when you swing and miss as much as he does. But I agree, he'll find it.
that's a good point. I guess the next step would be how many balls vs strikes seen per at bat? How many fouls? I don't know. Seeing pitches is good no matter what since it tires the pitcher out just the same.
I'm flashing back to Apex's hatred of Matt Murton here, along with my favorite line of his, something to the effect that Murton's greatest strength as a hitter was not swinging the bat.
That's also a good point.
I just want to clarify, I am not comparing Murton and Baez as players. The situation just reminded me of Pex's Murton line, which made me laugh.
Bump.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 03, 2015, 08:31:27 AM
Bump.
Javy has a .947 OPS in Iowa. Mendy has an .871 OPS. Hell, Christian Villanueva has an .848 OPS. I watched Jonathan Herrera play third base last night. 'Sup with that.
Quote from: Slaky on June 03, 2015, 08:33:22 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 03, 2015, 08:31:27 AM
Bump.
So, one week, tops?
From today, yeah. I think June 11th is the Turn Back The Contract Day. It's pretty goddamn exciting to look at that slashline of his.
Quote from: PANK! on June 03, 2015, 09:03:20 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 03, 2015, 08:33:22 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 03, 2015, 08:31:27 AM
Bump.
So, one week, tops?
From today, yeah. I think June 11th is the Turn Back The Contract Day. It's pretty goddamn exciting to look at that slashline of his.
They probably need a week's head start in the Clubhouse kitchen, to be honest.
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2015, 09:06:20 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 03, 2015, 09:03:20 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 03, 2015, 08:33:22 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 03, 2015, 08:31:27 AM
Bump.
So, one week, tops?
From today, yeah. I think June 11th is the Turn Back The Contract Day. It's pretty goddamn exciting to look at that slashline of his.
They probably need a week's head start in the Clubhouse kitchen, to be honest.
Actually, mate, June 11th is a HOME GAME. No way he gets called up.
*camera pans in*
Quote from: PANK! on June 03, 2015, 09:27:54 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2015, 09:06:20 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 03, 2015, 09:03:20 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 03, 2015, 08:33:22 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 03, 2015, 08:31:27 AM
Bump.
So, one week, tops?
From today, yeah. I think June 11th is the Turn Back The Contract Day. It's pretty goddamn exciting to look at that slashline of his.
They probably need a week's head start in the Clubhouse kitchen, to be honest.
Actually, mate, June 11th is a HOME GAME. No way he gets called up.
*camera pans in*
Per Chuck a few pages back in the 2015 thread Javy's rollover date was June 9th. Chuck is oft-wrong, we know, but since being smarmy and pedantic about contracts and money and service time is his thing maybe he's not wrong this time.
Quote from: SKO on June 03, 2015, 09:33:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 03, 2015, 09:27:54 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2015, 09:06:20 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 03, 2015, 09:03:20 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 03, 2015, 08:33:22 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 03, 2015, 08:31:27 AM
Bump.
So, one week, tops?
From today, yeah. I think June 11th is the Turn Back The Contract Day. It's pretty goddamn exciting to look at that slashline of his.
They probably need a week's head start in the Clubhouse kitchen, to be honest.
Actually, mate, June 11th is a HOME GAME. No way he gets called up.
*camera pans in*
Per Chuck a few pages back in the 2015 thread Javy's rollover date was June 9th. Chuck is oft-wrong, we know, but since being smarmy and pedantic about contracts and money and service time is his thing maybe he's not wrong this time.
That's what I recall but then I saw/heard somewhere this morning/last night that it was June 11th. June 9th would be preferred as they could use that extra bat in De-twat.
Quote from: PANK! on June 03, 2015, 09:35:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 03, 2015, 09:33:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 03, 2015, 09:27:54 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2015, 09:06:20 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 03, 2015, 09:03:20 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 03, 2015, 08:33:22 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 03, 2015, 08:31:27 AM
Bump.
So, one week, tops?
From today, yeah. I think June 11th is the Turn Back The Contract Day. It's pretty goddamn exciting to look at that slashline of his.
They probably need a week's head start in the Clubhouse kitchen, to be honest.
Actually, mate, June 11th is a HOME GAME. No way he gets called up.
*camera pans in*
Per Chuck a few pages back in the 2015 thread Javy's rollover date was June 9th. Chuck is oft-wrong, we know, but since being smarmy and pedantic about contracts and money and service time is his thing maybe he's not wrong this time.
That's what I recall but then I saw/heard somewhere this morning/last night that it was June 11th. June 9th would be preferred as they could use that extra bat in De-twat.
LEAVE SKO OUT OF THIS.
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2015, 09:52:26 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 03, 2015, 09:35:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 03, 2015, 09:33:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 03, 2015, 09:27:54 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 03, 2015, 09:06:20 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 03, 2015, 09:03:20 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 03, 2015, 08:33:22 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 03, 2015, 08:31:27 AM
Bump.
So, one week, tops?
From today, yeah. I think June 11th is the Turn Back The Contract Day. It's pretty goddamn exciting to look at that slashline of his.
They probably need a week's head start in the Clubhouse kitchen, to be honest.
Actually, mate, June 11th is a HOME GAME. No way he gets called up.
*camera pans in*
Per Chuck a few pages back in the 2015 thread Javy's rollover date was June 9th. Chuck is oft-wrong, we know, but since being smarmy and pedantic about contracts and money and service time is his thing maybe he's not wrong this time.
That's what I recall but then I saw/heard somewhere this morning/last night that it was June 11th. June 9th would be preferred as they could use that extra bat in De-twat.
LEAVE SKO OUT OF THIS.
I was
hoping you were going to give me credit for fostering the word's distribution.
Playing 3B tonight.
Schwarber better start making sure he can stick at catcher.
Or I guess keep hitting the shit out of the ball and forcing the Cubs to trade Castro.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 03:01:57 PM
Playing 3B tonight.
Schwarber better start making sure he can stick at catcher.
Or I guess keep hitting the shit out of the ball and forcing the Cubs to trade Castro.
If only Castro could be traded right now.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-javier-baez-hurt-20150607-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-javier-baez-hurt-20150607-story.html)
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!!!!!
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 07, 2015, 05:48:32 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-javier-baez-hurt-20150607-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-javier-baez-hurt-20150607-story.html)
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!!!!!
It really does suck...for him and for the Cubs. He was making some good adjustments at Iowa.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 08, 2015, 01:48:20 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 07, 2015, 05:48:32 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-javier-baez-hurt-20150607-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-javier-baez-hurt-20150607-story.html)
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!!!!!
It really does suck...for him and for the Cubs. He was making some good adjustments at Iowa.
He touched a lot of people.
DPD. Javy has started his rehab assignment with Mesa.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 25, 2015, 01:48:43 PM
DPD. Javy has started his rehab assignment with Mesa.
Do the Cubs have a timetable set for him?
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 27, 2015, 08:24:01 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 25, 2015, 01:48:43 PM
DPD. Javy has started his rehab assignment with Mesa.
Do the Cubs have a timetable set for him?
Nope, they're probably just gonna wing it.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 27, 2015, 08:41:18 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 27, 2015, 08:24:01 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 25, 2015, 01:48:43 PM
DPD. Javy has started his rehab assignment with Mesa.
Do the Cubs have a timetable set for him?
Nope, they're probably just gonna wing it.
Yeah, I walked into that...have they mentioned publicly how long until he's back in Iowa?
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 27, 2015, 09:06:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 27, 2015, 08:41:18 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 27, 2015, 08:24:01 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 25, 2015, 01:48:43 PM
DPD. Javy has started his rehab assignment with Mesa.
Do the Cubs have a timetable set for him?
Nope, they're probably just gonna wing it.
Yeah, I walked into that...have they mentioned publicly how long until he's back in Iowa?
The scuttlebutt I've read so far is that he could have had his last game in Arizona this weekend and could meet up with Iowa either today or later in the week. So perhaps it's looking good for his recovery.
I'd be pumped if he comes back to Iowa and keeps up with his new approach and forces his way to Chicago. For the record, Javy is 5-12 with 0 K and 1 BB and 1 2B in his rehab assignment with the AZL Cubs.
First game back in Iowa, 2 dongs.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 29, 2015, 08:45:57 AM
First game back in Iowa, 2 dongs.
I'm ready for him at second and Russell at SS. Bye, Starlin. It's been real. Get your 2500+ hits and love life
Quote from: Yeti on July 29, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 29, 2015, 08:45:57 AM
First game back in Iowa, 2 dongs.
I'm ready for him at second and Russell at SS. Bye, Starlin. It's been real. Get your 2500+ hits and love life
Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:19:21 AM
Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Quote from: Yeti on July 29, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 29, 2015, 08:45:57 AM
First game back in Iowa, 2 dongs.
I'm ready for him at second and Russell at SS. Bye, Starlin. It's been real. Get your 2500+ hits and love life
He never gets close to 2500. Here's his hit totals by year:
139
207
183
163
154
91
Total of 937. If he's the part time player I expect him to be the rest of his career, he caps out at what, 1500? On the high end?
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 29, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:19:21 AM
Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:46:53 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 29, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:19:21 AM
Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 29, 2015, 11:18:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:46:53 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 29, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:19:21 AM
Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
Well my point is "see if Baez can play SS." I mean from what I saw of him last year and his raw talent Javy doesn't seem to be a slouch there, either. Addison is kicking ass at 2B. If Javy can stick at SS, let Addison stay where he is. If Javy can't be a good SS, then switch 'em. Just give Javy a shot first.
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 29, 2015, 11:18:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:46:53 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 29, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:19:21 AM
Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
Well my point is "see if Baez can play SS." I mean from what I saw of him last year and his raw talent Javy doesn't seem to be a slouch there, either. Addison is kicking ass at 2B. If Javy can stick at SS, let Addison stay where he is. If Javy can't be a good SS, then switch 'em. Just give Javy a shot first.
They're both shortstops that have mostly played 2B in the majors. Javy was good at 2B, and Addison has been awesome at 2B. Therefore Addison is the better defender, so he should play SS.
Quote from: Tony on July 29, 2015, 11:55:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 29, 2015, 11:18:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:46:53 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 29, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:19:21 AM
Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
Well my point is "see if Baez can play SS." I mean from what I saw of him last year and his raw talent Javy doesn't seem to be a slouch there, either. Addison is kicking ass at 2B. If Javy can stick at SS, let Addison stay where he is. If Javy can't be a good SS, then switch 'em. Just give Javy a shot first.
They're both shortstops that have mostly played 2B in the majors. Javy was good at 2B, and Addison has been awesome at 2B. Therefore Addison is the better defender, so he should play SS.
I'll take that a step further and say that whoever is the better shortstop should play shortstop.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 29, 2015, 02:13:38 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 29, 2015, 11:55:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 29, 2015, 11:18:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:46:53 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 29, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:19:21 AM
Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
Well my point is "see if Baez can play SS." I mean from what I saw of him last year and his raw talent Javy doesn't seem to be a slouch there, either. Addison is kicking ass at 2B. If Javy can stick at SS, let Addison stay where he is. If Javy can't be a good SS, then switch 'em. Just give Javy a shot first.
They're both shortstops that have mostly played 2B in the majors. Javy was good at 2B, and Addison has been awesome at 2B. Therefore Addison is the better defender, so he should play SS.
I'll take that a step further and say that whoever is the better shortstop should play shortstop.
Big, if true. Do we know that Russell is the better SS or is that just a reputation thing. There are things we know we know, which is that Addison is a great second baseman, and there are things that we know we don't know, like is Baez a good shortstop, but one must admit an unknown unknown is that we don't know that we don't know Baez is worse at SS than Russell, or something.
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 02:19:25 PM
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Quote from: Tony on July 29, 2015, 11:55:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 29, 2015, 11:18:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:46:53 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 29, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:19:21 AM
Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
Well my point is "see if Baez can play SS." I mean from what I saw of him last year and his raw talent Javy doesn't seem to be a slouch there, either. Addison is kicking ass at 2B. If Javy can stick at SS, let Addison stay where he is. If Javy can't be a good SS, then switch 'em. Just give Javy a shot first.
They're both shortstops that have mostly played 2B in the majors. Javy was good at 2B, and Addison has been awesome at 2B. Therefore Addison is the better defender, so he should play SS.
I'll take that a step further and say that whoever is the better shortstop should play shortstop.
Big, if true. Do we know that Russell is the better SS or is that just a reputation thing. There are things we know we know, which is that Addison is a great second baseman, and there are things that we know we don't know, like is Baez a good shortstop, but one must admit an unknown unknown is that we don't know that we don't know Baez is worse at SS than Russell, or something.
At this point I'd just like to have a middle infielder in the lineup who can maintain an OPS over .700, and we can crown the next Ozzie Smith later.
Quote from: CT III on July 29, 2015, 02:37:03 PM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 29, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:19:21 AM
Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
Well my point is "see if Baez can play SS." I mean from what I saw of him last year and his raw talent Javy doesn't seem to be a slouch there, either. Addison is kicking ass at 2B. If Javy can stick at SS, let Addison stay where he is. If Javy can't be a good SS, then switch 'em. Just give Javy a shot first.
They're both shortstops that have mostly played 2B in the majors. Javy was good at 2B, and Addison has been awesome at 2B. Therefore Addison is the better defender, so he should play SS.
I'll take that a step further and say that whoever is the better shortstop should play shortstop.
Big, if true. Do we know that Russell is the better SS or is that just a reputation thing. There are things we know we know, which is that Addison is a great second baseman, and there are things that we know we don't know, like is Baez a good shortstop, but one must admit an unknown unknown is that we don't know that we don't know Baez is worse at SS than Russell, or something.
At this point I'd just like to have a middle infielder in the lineup who can maintain an OPS over .700, and we can crown the next Ozzie Smith later.
Seems kinda weird to wait for a guy to have an OPS over .700 before annointing him the next Ozzie Smith (career OPS of .666, appropriate for a career Cardinal) IMO.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 29, 2015, 11:18:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:46:53 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 29, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 09:19:21 AM
Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
I mocked his dumb point last time and I'll do it again. Russell's the best at the 9 spot in the order so let's leave him there! Best since Zambrano!
Kyle Long is the best at right guard so why move him to left tackle? Best since Garza!
[Hypothetical Competent Cubs Reliever] gets a ton of guys out, better leave him where he's at instead of using him in higher leverage situations! Best since Sean Marshall!
I'm not convinced that Javier is unquestionably the superior defender therefore his existence precludes anyone else from playing it. Let's see if Addison is as good as advertised there. What's the harm? And if it gets Starlin Castro's limp-dick bat out of the lineup, all the better.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2015, 03:08:02 PM
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Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
I mocked his dumb point last time and I'll do it again. Russell's the best at the 9 spot in the order so let's leave him there! Best since Zambrano!
Kyle Long is the best at right guard so why move him to left tackle? Best since Garza!
[Hypothetical Competent Cubs Reliever] gets a ton of guys out, better leave him where he's at instead of using him in higher leverage situations! Best since Sean Marshall!
I'm not convinced that Javier is unquestionably the superior defender therefore his existence precludes anyone else from playing it. Let's see if Addison is as good as advertised there. What's the harm? And if it gets Starlin Castro's limp-dick bat out of the lineup, all the better.
The point was to leave Addison in the 9 hole because there was no pressure on him and he was bound to hit a rough patch, he then hit like total ass for an entire month, and would probably have gotten more shit for it were he batting 5th while doing so. He should obviously bat higher in the order once he's an established big league hitter.
Kyle Long is an elite NFL guard and statistically most pressure in the NFL actually comes from the interior. Green Bay has had a revolving door of tackles during the Aaron Rodgers era but they have an effective quick passing game because they have two stellar guards and Josh Sitton never allows anyone to get past him. There's nothing other than antiquated ideas about The Blind Side that indicate it's a smart move take a really good guard and make him a tackle just because you
think tackles are more important when there's actually no empirical data to support this.
All I asked was if it was at all possible that Addison actually is a better second baseman than he will be a shortstop, and what the value is between having the best overall defensive second baseman in the game (which he is, already, as a rookie) vs. say, hypothetically, a top 15-20ish shorstop. I didn't even say not to move him, I said can someone actually demonstrate that the difference between the two is so great that there's no reason not to try Javy at SS?
Again, we have no idea which one of them is a better shorstop. You're saying "why not try Addison at SS?" , I'm saying "why not try Javy?". In the end I don't care, Javy may never play another game as a Cub. This game is stupid and I have no problem with Addison Russell at SS, I was just asking if it's at all possible he might have more value at 2B where he's already top of the game.
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Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
Well my point is "see if Baez can play SS." I mean from what I saw of him last year and his raw talent Javy doesn't seem to be a slouch there, either. Addison is kicking ass at 2B. If Javy can stick at SS, let Addison stay where he is. If Javy can't be a good SS, then switch 'em. Just give Javy a shot first.
They're both shortstops that have mostly played 2B in the majors. Javy was good at 2B, and Addison has been awesome at 2B. Therefore Addison is the better defender, so he should play SS.
I'll take that a step further and say that whoever is the better shortstop should play shortstop.
Big, if true. Do we know that Russell is the better SS or is that just a reputation thing. There are things we know we know, which is that Addison is a great second baseman, and there are things that we know we don't know, like is Baez a good shortstop, but one must admit an unknown unknown is that we don't know that we don't know Baez is worse at SS than Russell, or something.
At this point I'd just like to have a middle infielder in the lineup who can maintain an OPS over .700, and we can crown the next Ozzie Smith later.
Seems kinda weird to wait for a guy to have an OPS over .700 before annointing him the next Ozzie Smith (career OPS of .666, appropriate for a career Cardinal) IMO.
I never said the guy with the .700 OPS would also be the one anointed Ozzie Smith. And I spelled "anoint" correctly.
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Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
Well my point is "see if Baez can play SS." I mean from what I saw of him last year and his raw talent Javy doesn't seem to be a slouch there, either. Addison is kicking ass at 2B. If Javy can stick at SS, let Addison stay where he is. If Javy can't be a good SS, then switch 'em. Just give Javy a shot first.
They're both shortstops that have mostly played 2B in the majors. Javy was good at 2B, and Addison has been awesome at 2B. Therefore Addison is the better defender, so he should play SS.
I'll take that a step further and say that whoever is the better shortstop should play shortstop.
Big, if true. Do we know that Russell is the better SS or is that just a reputation thing. There are things we know we know, which is that Addison is a great second baseman, and there are things that we know we don't know, like is Baez a good shortstop, but one must admit an unknown unknown is that we don't know that we don't know Baez is worse at SS than Russell, or something.
At this point I'd just like to have a middle infielder in the lineup who can maintain an OPS over .700, and we can crown the next Ozzie Smith later.
Seems kinda weird to wait for a guy to have an OPS over .700 before annointing him the next Ozzie Smith (career OPS of .666, appropriate for a career Cardinal) IMO.
I never said the guy with the .700 OPS would also be the one anointed Ozzie Smith. And I spelled "anoint" correctly.
Well, one who knows how to spell anoint might also point out that Ozzie was not a career Cardinal, but a Padre for four seasons.
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Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
Well my point is "see if Baez can play SS." I mean from what I saw of him last year and his raw talent Javy doesn't seem to be a slouch there, either. Addison is kicking ass at 2B. If Javy can stick at SS, let Addison stay where he is. If Javy can't be a good SS, then switch 'em. Just give Javy a shot first.
They're both shortstops that have mostly played 2B in the majors. Javy was good at 2B, and Addison has been awesome at 2B. Therefore Addison is the better defender, so he should play SS.
I'll take that a step further and say that whoever is the better shortstop should play shortstop.
Big, if true. Do we know that Russell is the better SS or is that just a reputation thing. There are things we know we know, which is that Addison is a great second baseman, and there are things that we know we don't know, like is Baez a good shortstop, but one must admit an unknown unknown is that we don't know that we don't know Baez is worse at SS than Russell, or something.
At this point I'd just like to have a middle infielder in the lineup who can maintain an OPS over .700, and we can crown the next Ozzie Smith later.
Seems kinda weird to wait for a guy to have an OPS over .700 before annointing him the next Ozzie Smith (career OPS of .666, appropriate for a career Cardinal) IMO.
I never said the guy with the .700 OPS would also be the one anointed Ozzie Smith. And I spelled "anoint" correctly.
Well, one who knows how to spell anoint might also point out that Ozzie was not a career Cardinal, but a Padre for four seasons.
Well...thanks for picking up the spare?
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Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
Well my point is "see if Baez can play SS." I mean from what I saw of him last year and his raw talent Javy doesn't seem to be a slouch there, either. Addison is kicking ass at 2B. If Javy can stick at SS, let Addison stay where he is. If Javy can't be a good SS, then switch 'em. Just give Javy a shot first.
They're both shortstops that have mostly played 2B in the majors. Javy was good at 2B, and Addison has been awesome at 2B. Therefore Addison is the better defender, so he should play SS.
I'll take that a step further and say that whoever is the better shortstop should play shortstop.
Big, if true. Do we know that Russell is the better SS or is that just a reputation thing. There are things we know we know, which is that Addison is a great second baseman, and there are things that we know we don't know, like is Baez a good shortstop, but one must admit an unknown unknown is that we don't know that we don't know Baez is worse at SS than Russell, or something.
At this point I'd just like to have a middle infielder in the lineup who can maintain an OPS over .700, and we can crown the next Ozzie Smith later.
Seems kinda weird to wait for a guy to have an OPS over .700 before annointing him the next Ozzie Smith (career OPS of .666, appropriate for a career Cardinal) IMO.
I never said the guy with the .700 OPS would also be the one anointed Ozzie Smith. And I spelled "anoint" correctly.
Well, one who knows how to spell anoint might also point out that Ozzie was not a career Cardinal, but a Padre for four seasons.
He was a Cardinal for over a decade. I was aware he started with a different team, just had no idea the Desipio Style Guide was so strict about usage of the term Career Cardinal. Are Santo and Billy Williams not Career Cubs by your definition then?
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Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
Well my point is "see if Baez can play SS." I mean from what I saw of him last year and his raw talent Javy doesn't seem to be a slouch there, either. Addison is kicking ass at 2B. If Javy can stick at SS, let Addison stay where he is. If Javy can't be a good SS, then switch 'em. Just give Javy a shot first.
They're both shortstops that have mostly played 2B in the majors. Javy was good at 2B, and Addison has been awesome at 2B. Therefore Addison is the better defender, so he should play SS.
I'll take that a step further and say that whoever is the better shortstop should play shortstop.
Big, if true. Do we know that Russell is the better SS or is that just a reputation thing. There are things we know we know, which is that Addison is a great second baseman, and there are things that we know we don't know, like is Baez a good shortstop, but one must admit an unknown unknown is that we don't know that we don't know Baez is worse at SS than Russell, or something.
At this point I'd just like to have a middle infielder in the lineup who can maintain an OPS over .700, and we can crown the next Ozzie Smith later.
Seems kinda weird to wait for a guy to have an OPS over .700 before annointing him the next Ozzie Smith (career OPS of .666, appropriate for a career Cardinal) IMO.
I never said the guy with the .700 OPS would also be the one anointed Ozzie Smith. And I spelled "anoint" correctly.
Well, one who knows how to spell anoint might also point out that Ozzie was not a career Cardinal, but a Padre for four seasons.
He was a Cardinal for over a decade. I was aware aware started with a different team, just had no idea the Desipio Style Guide was so strict about usage of the term Career Cardinal. Are Santo and Billy Williams not Career Cubs by your definition then?
This is the dumbest Desipio argument since the last one.
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Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
Well my point is "see if Baez can play SS." I mean from what I saw of him last year and his raw talent Javy doesn't seem to be a slouch there, either. Addison is kicking ass at 2B. If Javy can stick at SS, let Addison stay where he is. If Javy can't be a good SS, then switch 'em. Just give Javy a shot first.
They're both shortstops that have mostly played 2B in the majors. Javy was good at 2B, and Addison has been awesome at 2B. Therefore Addison is the better defender, so he should play SS.
I'll take that a step further and say that whoever is the better shortstop should play shortstop.
Big, if true. Do we know that Russell is the better SS or is that just a reputation thing. There are things we know we know, which is that Addison is a great second baseman, and there are things that we know we don't know, like is Baez a good shortstop, but one must admit an unknown unknown is that we don't know that we don't know Baez is worse at SS than Russell, or something.
At this point I'd just like to have a middle infielder in the lineup who can maintain an OPS over .700, and we can crown the next Ozzie Smith later.
Seems kinda weird to wait for a guy to have an OPS over .700 before annointing him the next Ozzie Smith (career OPS of .666, appropriate for a career Cardinal) IMO.
I never said the guy with the .700 OPS would also be the one anointed Ozzie Smith. And I spelled "anoint" correctly.
Well, one who knows how to spell anoint might also point out that Ozzie was not a career Cardinal, but a Padre for four seasons.
He was a Cardinal for over a decade. I was aware he started with a different team, just had no idea the Desipio Style Guide was so strict about usage of the term Career Cardinal. Are Santo and Billy Williams not Career Cubs by your definition then?
Nope.
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Would like to reiterate that while I am fine with Russell moving to SS, I am also equally fine with him just being the most dominant defensive second baseman in the majors already and would be cool with them trying to make Javy stick at SS.
I mean Russell's so good he'd probably be a fine defensive SS, but if he's already the best defensive 2B as a rookie is that worth messing with? I feel like sometimes SS is a bit overrated vs second base in terms of that being where your best defender has to play. Maybe ChuckD can show some numbers as to how many runs the best 2B saves each year vs the best SS or whatever.
This. I keep hearing Russell being compared to Barry Larkin, which is fine. But I haven't seen a second baseman like this since Ryno. He's fucking amazing.
Well I mean if shortstops really can be worth that much more than second basemen, I get making the switch if you think Addison can be that good over there, but I kinda feel part of that is just the perception of the position. It's like right vs left tackle in the NFL. Every study ever done shows that there's really no real difference between the two and that both need to be good at pass blocking, but teams still pay way more for "left tackles". I'm wondering if SS vs second base is that much of a gap that it's worth messing with what Addison's got going on over there.
Fucking stop it. Shortstop is a lot more demanding and if the kid has the gun to play the position, you move him. Best 2nd Baseman since Ryno... What in the entire fuck.
If you're confused by this concept, head out to your local dirt lot and have a friend pound grounders to you at both spots and see if even your own beltless ass doesn't get the picture.
Well my point is "see if Baez can play SS." I mean from what I saw of him last year and his raw talent Javy doesn't seem to be a slouch there, either. Addison is kicking ass at 2B. If Javy can stick at SS, let Addison stay where he is. If Javy can't be a good SS, then switch 'em. Just give Javy a shot first.
They're both shortstops that have mostly played 2B in the majors. Javy was good at 2B, and Addison has been awesome at 2B. Therefore Addison is the better defender, so he should play SS.
I'll take that a step further and say that whoever is the better shortstop should play shortstop.
Big, if true. Do we know that Russell is the better SS or is that just a reputation thing. There are things we know we know, which is that Addison is a great second baseman, and there are things that we know we don't know, like is Baez a good shortstop, but one must admit an unknown unknown is that we don't know that we don't know Baez is worse at SS than Russell, or something.
At this point I'd just like to have a middle infielder in the lineup who can maintain an OPS over .700, and we can crown the next Ozzie Smith later.
Seems kinda weird to wait for a guy to have an OPS over .700 before annointing him the next Ozzie Smith (career OPS of .666, appropriate for a career Cardinal) IMO.
I never said the guy with the .700 OPS would also be the one anointed Ozzie Smith. And I spelled "anoint" correctly.
Well, one who knows how to spell anoint might also point out that Ozzie was not a career Cardinal, but a Padre for four seasons.
He was a Cardinal for over a decade. I was aware aware started with a different team, just had no idea the Desipio Style Guide was so strict about usage of the term Career Cardinal. Are Santo and Billy Williams not Career Cubs by your definition then?
This is the dumbest Desipio argument since the last one.
All I want to know is whether Micah Hoffpauir and Roosevelt Brown are "career Cubs."
Also, you guys probably won't be interested to learn that Starlin now has the third most games played among players who played their entire careers for the Cubs.
Here's everyone with 162+.
Rank Name GP
1 Ernie Banks 2528
2 Stan Hack 1938
3 Starlin Castro 838
4 Bill Lange 811
5 Ch. Hollocher 760
6 Lennie Merullo 639
7 Don Johnson 511
8 Bob Will 410
9 Bill Serena 408
10 Ken Hubbs 324
11 Jiggs Parrott 318
12 Jim Connor 293
13 Footsie Blair 246
14 Roosevelt Brown 228
15 Gene Hiser 206
16 Denver Grigsby 199
17 Clay Bryant 185
18 Carl Lundgren 183
19 Junior Lake 172
20 Babe Twombly 165
21 Micah Hoffpauir 162
Quote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2015, 04:36:41 PM
Also, you guys probably won't be interested to learn that Starlin now has the third most games played among players who played their entire careers for the Cubs.
Here's everyone with 162+.
Rank Name GP
1 Ernie Banks 2528
2 Stan Hack 1938
3 Starlin Castro 838
4 Bill Lange 811
5 Ch. Hollocher 760
6 Lennie Merullo 639
7 Don Johnson 511
8 Bob Will 410
9 Bill Serena 408
10 Ken Hubbs 324
11 Jiggs Parrott 318
12 Jim Connor 293
13 Footsie Blair 246
14 Roosevelt Brown 228
15 Gene Hiser 206
16 Denver Grigsby 199
17 Clay Bryant 185
18 Carl Lundgren 183
19 Junior Lake 172
20 Babe Twombly 165
21 Micah Hoffpauir 162
Santo ain't a true Career Cub like Ken Hubbs. That guy literally died rather than play for another team.
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2015, 04:36:41 PM
Also, you guys probably won't be interested to learn that Starlin now has the third most games played among players who played their entire careers for the Cubs.
Here's everyone with 162+.
Rank Name GP
1 Ernie Banks 2528
2 Stan Hack 1938
3 Starlin Castro 838
4 Bill Lange 811
5 Ch. Hollocher 760
6 Lennie Merullo 639
7 Don Johnson 511
8 Bob Will 410
9 Bill Serena 408
10 Ken Hubbs 324
11 Jiggs Parrott 318
12 Jim Connor 293
13 Footsie Blair 246
14 Roosevelt Brown 228
15 Gene Hiser 206
16 Denver Grigsby 199
17 Clay Bryant 185
18 Carl Lundgren 183
19 Junior Lake 172
20 Babe Twombly 165
21 Micah Hoffpauir 162
Santo ain't a true Career Cub like Ken Hubbs. That guy literally died rather than play for another team.
Ryne Sandberg? The guy's practically a Phillie. Well, not any more. But he was before he wasn't before he was. And now he isn't any more.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2015, 04:58:33 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2015, 04:36:41 PM
Also, you guys probably won't be interested to learn that Starlin now has the third most games played among players who played their entire careers for the Cubs.
Here's everyone with 162+.
Rank Name GP
1 Ernie Banks 2528
2 Stan Hack 1938
3 Starlin Castro 838
4 Bill Lange 811
5 Ch. Hollocher 760
6 Lennie Merullo 639
7 Don Johnson 511
8 Bob Will 410
9 Bill Serena 408
10 Ken Hubbs 324
11 Jiggs Parrott 318
12 Jim Connor 293
13 Footsie Blair 246
14 Roosevelt Brown 228
15 Gene Hiser 206
16 Denver Grigsby 199
17 Clay Bryant 185
18 Carl Lundgren 183
19 Junior Lake 172
20 Babe Twombly 165
21 Micah Hoffpauir 162
Santo ain't a true Career Cub like Ken Hubbs. That guy literally died rather than play for another team.
Ryne Sandberg? The guy's practically a Phillie. Well, not any more. But he was before he wasn't before he was. And now he isn't any more.
Can we talk about Jiggs Parrott?
Quote from: Slaky on July 30, 2015, 11:24:03 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2015, 04:58:33 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2015, 04:36:41 PM
Also, you guys probably won't be interested to learn that Starlin now has the third most games played among players who played their entire careers for the Cubs.
Here's everyone with 162+.
Rank Name GP
1 Ernie Banks 2528
2 Stan Hack 1938
3 Starlin Castro 838
4 Bill Lange 811
5 Ch. Hollocher 760
6 Lennie Merullo 639
7 Don Johnson 511
8 Bob Will 410
9 Bill Serena 408
10 Ken Hubbs 324
11 Jiggs Parrott 318
12 Jim Connor 293
13 Footsie Blair 246
14 Roosevelt Brown 228
15 Gene Hiser 206
16 Denver Grigsby 199
17 Clay Bryant 185
18 Carl Lundgren 183
19 Junior Lake 172
20 Babe Twombly 165
21 Micah Hoffpauir 162
Santo ain't a true Career Cub like Ken Hubbs. That guy literally died rather than play for another team.
Ryne Sandberg? The guy's practically a Phillie. Well, not any more. But he was before he wasn't before he was. And now he isn't any more.
Can we talk about Jiggs Parrott?
(http://i57.tinypic.com/21bu4it.png)
He's such a perfect example of hilarious old-timey baseball names that his B-Ref picture looks like a woodcut from a Harper's Magazine article about syphilis in the Union Army.
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 30, 2015, 11:24:03 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2015, 04:58:33 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2015, 04:36:41 PM
Also, you guys probably won't be interested to learn that Starlin now has the third most games played among players who played their entire careers for the Cubs.
Here's everyone with 162+.
Rank Name GP
1 Ernie Banks 2528
2 Stan Hack 1938
3 Starlin Castro 838
4 Bill Lange 811
5 Ch. Hollocher 760
6 Lennie Merullo 639
7 Don Johnson 511
8 Bob Will 410
9 Bill Serena 408
10 Ken Hubbs 324
11 Jiggs Parrott 318
12 Jim Connor 293
13 Footsie Blair 246
14 Roosevelt Brown 228
15 Gene Hiser 206
16 Denver Grigsby 199
17 Clay Bryant 185
18 Carl Lundgren 183
19 Junior Lake 172
20 Babe Twombly 165
21 Micah Hoffpauir 162
Santo ain't a true Career Cub like Ken Hubbs. That guy literally died rather than play for another team.
Ryne Sandberg? The guy's practically a Phillie. Well, not any more. But he was before he wasn't before he was. And now he isn't any more.
Can we talk about Jiggs Parrott?
(http://i57.tinypic.com/21bu4it.png)
He's such a perfect example of hilarious old-timey baseball names that his B-Ref picture looks like a woodcut from a Harper's Magazine article about syphilis in the Union Army.
He really is. He even died of tuberculosis. Such an authentic way for an old-timey baseball guy to die.
While looking in to Jiggs Parrott, I discovered Ed Delahanty had a really great old-timey baseball death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Delahanty#Death
QuoteDelahanty died when he was swept over Niagara Falls in early July 1903. He was apparently kicked off a train by the train's conductor for being drunk and disorderly. The conductor said Delahanty was brandishing a straight razor and threatening passengers after he consumed five whiskies.[8] After being kicked off the train, Delahanty started his way across the International Bridge connecting Buffalo, NY with Fort Erie (near Niagara Falls) and fell or jumped off the bridge (some accounts say Ed was yelling about death that night).[9] Whether "Big Ed" died from his plunge over the Falls or drowned on the way to the Falls is uncertain.
A study of the tragedy appeared with the publication of July 2, 1903: The Mysterious Death of Big Ed Delahanty, by Mike Sowell (New York, Toronto, MacMillan Publishing Co., 1992). Sowell presents the evidence of a drunken accident, suicide, and even possibly a robbery-murder (there were reports of a mysterious man following Delahanty).
"Big" Ed was 6'1" and 170 pounds.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 30, 2015, 11:32:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 30, 2015, 11:24:03 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2015, 04:58:33 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2015, 04:36:41 PM
Also, you guys probably won't be interested to learn that Starlin now has the third most games played among players who played their entire careers for the Cubs.
Here's everyone with 162+.
Rank Name GP
1 Ernie Banks 2528
2 Stan Hack 1938
3 Starlin Castro 838
4 Bill Lange 811
5 Ch. Hollocher 760
6 Lennie Merullo 639
7 Don Johnson 511
8 Bob Will 410
9 Bill Serena 408
10 Ken Hubbs 324
11 Jiggs Parrott 318
12 Jim Connor 293
13 Footsie Blair 246
14 Roosevelt Brown 228
15 Gene Hiser 206
16 Denver Grigsby 199
17 Clay Bryant 185
18 Carl Lundgren 183
19 Junior Lake 172
20 Babe Twombly 165
21 Micah Hoffpauir 162
Santo ain't a true Career Cub like Ken Hubbs. That guy literally died rather than play for another team.
Ryne Sandberg? The guy's practically a Phillie. Well, not any more. But he was before he wasn't before he was. And now he isn't any more.
Can we talk about Jiggs Parrott?
(http://i57.tinypic.com/21bu4it.png)
He's such a perfect example of hilarious old-timey baseball names that his B-Ref picture looks like a woodcut from a Harper's Magazine article about syphilis in the Union Army.
He really is. He even died of tuberculosis consumption*. Such an authentic way for an old-timey baseball guy to die.
*- if we wanna be proper and old-timey about it.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 30, 2015, 11:35:44 AM
While looking in to Jiggs Parrott, I discovered Ed Delahanty had a really great old-timey baseball death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Delahanty#Death
QuoteDelahanty died when he was swept over Niagara Falls in early July 1903. He was apparently kicked off a train by the train's conductor for being drunk and disorderly. The conductor said Delahanty was brandishing a straight razor and threatening passengers after he consumed five whiskies.[8] After being kicked off the train, Delahanty started his way across the International Bridge connecting Buffalo, NY with Fort Erie (near Niagara Falls) and fell or jumped off the bridge (some accounts say Ed was yelling about death that night).[9] Whether "Big Ed" died from his plunge over the Falls or drowned on the way to the Falls is uncertain.
A study of the tragedy appeared with the publication of July 2, 1903: The Mysterious Death of Big Ed Delahanty, by Mike Sowell (New York, Toronto, MacMillan Publishing Co., 1992). Sowell presents the evidence of a drunken accident, suicide, and even possibly a robbery-murder (there were reports of a mysterious man following Delahanty).
"Big" Ed was 6'1" and 170 pounds.
Theo needs more Big Ed types. Big Ed clearly didn't tolerate any fucking bullshit.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 30, 2015, 11:32:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 30, 2015, 11:24:03 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2015, 04:58:33 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2015, 04:36:41 PM
Also, you guys probably won't be interested to learn that Starlin now has the third most games played among players who played their entire careers for the Cubs.
Here's everyone with 162+.
Rank Name GP
1 Ernie Banks 2528
2 Stan Hack 1938
3 Starlin Castro 838
4 Bill Lange 811
5 Ch. Hollocher 760
6 Lennie Merullo 639
7 Don Johnson 511
8 Bob Will 410
9 Bill Serena 408
10 Ken Hubbs 324
11 Jiggs Parrott 318
12 Jim Connor 293
13 Footsie Blair 246
14 Roosevelt Brown 228
15 Gene Hiser 206
16 Denver Grigsby 199
17 Clay Bryant 185
18 Carl Lundgren 183
19 Junior Lake 172
20 Babe Twombly 165
21 Micah Hoffpauir 162
Can we talk about Jiggs Parrott?
(http://i57.tinypic.com/21bu4it.png)
He's such a perfect example of hilarious old-timey baseball names that his B-Ref picture looks like a woodcut from a Harper's Magazine article about syphilis in the Union Army.
He really is. He even died of tuberculosis. Such an authentic way for an old-timey baseball guy to die.
He was the first Oregon-born player to make it to the Bigs. Cap Anson loved him in ways that were unnatural. From wikipedia:
QuoteParrott made his MLB debut on July 11, 1892. During that game, he stuck out twice and made two errors. He was the first player from the State of Oregon to appear in an MLB game. Parrott hit second in the Colts' batting order for most of the season. In his first MLB season, Parrott batted .201 with 38 runs scored, 67 hits, eight doubles, five triples, two home runs, 22 runs batted in (RBIs), and seven stolen bases in 78 games played. He finished the season third in fielding percentage amongst National League third basemen (.891), behind Billy Nash and George Davis. Before the start of the 1893 season, The Sporting Life wrote that Parrott "is somewhat of an erratic player. There are times when he plays good ball, but just when good steady play is necessary, he is very liable to get a case of 'rattles.'"[1] However, in June, The Sporting Life changed its tune and called Parrott's work at third base a "little less than brilliant". It was reported that Anson was impressed by Parrott as a person, calling him a "well-behaved young man" despite some criticism he was getting from the media and fans. During the 1893 season, the Colts signed pitcher Tom Parrott, Jiggs Parrott's brother. The Washington Post reported that Tom Parrott bought out his contract with his former team so he could play with his brother in Chicago. The two Parrott brothers were the only two players from Oregon to play in the MLB during the 19th century. Jiggs Parrott was moved to seventh in Chicago's batting order during the year. In his second season, Parrott batted .244 with 54 runs scored, 111 hits, 10 doubles, nine triples, one home run, 65 RBIs, and 25 stolen bases in 110 games played. His fielding percentage at third base was the fifth highest in the National League (.904), behind Jack Crooks, Denny Lyons, George Pinkney and Billy Nash.[11]
At the start of the 1894 season, Parrott was converted to a second baseman, making way for Charlie Irwin at third base. Manager Cap Anson was criticized by The Sporting Life for continuing to play Parrott. The publication stated, "It is true that [Anson] holds Parrot in high esteem and insists that 'Jiggs' is a great infielder, hence a suffering public may confidently expect to witness still further attempts of 'Jiggs' to hold down the second base bag." On the season, Parrott batted .248 with 82 runs scored, 130 hits, 17 doubles, nine triples, three home runs, 65 RBIs, and 30 stolen bases in 126 games played. In 1895, Anson signed a new second baseman, Ace Stewart from Sioux City, Iowa, which demoted Parrott to the role of utility player. Anson responded to the criticism he had been taking for keeping Parrott by stating, "I realize that 'Jiggs' is not popular with the Chicago crowds, so we will play him in games abroad only." However, The Sporting Life responded by saying, "The local scribes and fans thought we had buried the lanky 'Jigglets,' so far as Chicago was concerned, but he bobs up serenely." Parrott's final MLB game came on June 6, 1895. He played just three games with Chicago that season. In those games, he batted .250 with one hit in four at-bats. He was released early in the season.
Learning about Jiggs was better than I thought it could be.
Quote from: Slaky on July 30, 2015, 12:13:51 PM
Learning about Jiggs was better than I thought it could be.
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Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 30, 2015, 11:35:44 AM
While looking in to Jiggs Parrott, I discovered Ed Delahanty had a really great old-timey baseball death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Delahanty#Death
QuoteDelahanty died when he was swept over Niagara Falls in early July 1903. He was apparently kicked off a train by the train's conductor for being drunk and disorderly. The conductor said Delahanty was brandishing a straight razor and threatening passengers after he consumed five whiskies.[8] After being kicked off the train, Delahanty started his way across the International Bridge connecting Buffalo, NY with Fort Erie (near Niagara Falls) and fell or jumped off the bridge (some accounts say Ed was yelling about death that night).[9] Whether "Big Ed" died from his plunge over the Falls or drowned on the way to the Falls is uncertain.
A study of the tragedy appeared with the publication of July 2, 1903: The Mysterious Death of Big Ed Delahanty, by Mike Sowell (New York, Toronto, MacMillan Publishing Co., 1992). Sowell presents the evidence of a drunken accident, suicide, and even possibly a robbery-murder (there were reports of a mysterious man following Delahanty).
"Big" Ed was 6'1" and 170 pounds.
Theo needs more Big Ed types. Big Ed clearly didn't tolerate any fucking bullshit.
Clearly didn't tolerate whiskey either.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2015, 04:36:41 PM
Also, you guys probably won't be interested to learn that Starlin now has the third most games played among players who played their entire careers for the Cubs.
Here's everyone with 162+.
Rank Name GP
1 Ernie Banks 2528
2 Stan Hack 1938
3 Starlin Castro 838
4 Bill Lange 811
5 Ch. Hollocher 760
6 Lennie Merullo 639
7 Don Johnson 511
8 Bob Will 410
9 Bill Serena 408
10 Ken Hubbs 324
11 Jiggs Parrott 318
12 Jim Connor 293
13 Footsie Blair 246
14 Roosevelt Brown 228
15 Gene Hiser 206
16 Denver Grigsby 199
17 Clay Bryant 185
18 Carl Lundgren 183
19 Junior Lake 172
20 Babe Twombly 165
21 Micah Hoffpauir 162
Castro's going to drop off the list pretty soon.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 30, 2015, 11:35:44 AM
While looking in to Jiggs Parrott, I discovered Ed Delahanty had a really great old-timey baseball death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Delahanty#Death
QuoteDelahanty died when he was swept over Niagara Falls in early July 1903. He was apparently kicked off a train by the train's conductor for being drunk and disorderly. The conductor said Delahanty was brandishing a straight razor and threatening passengers after he consumed five whiskies.[8] After being kicked off the train, Delahanty started his way across the International Bridge connecting Buffalo, NY with Fort Erie (near Niagara Falls) and fell or jumped off the bridge (some accounts say Ed was yelling about death that night).[9] Whether "Big Ed" died from his plunge over the Falls or drowned on the way to the Falls is uncertain.
A study of the tragedy appeared with the publication of July 2, 1903: The Mysterious Death of Big Ed Delahanty, by Mike Sowell (New York, Toronto, MacMillan Publishing Co., 1992). Sowell presents the evidence of a drunken accident, suicide, and even possibly a robbery-murder (there were reports of a mysterious man following Delahanty).
"Big" Ed was 6'1" and 170 pounds.
Next up: Bob "Death To Flying Things" Ferguson.
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 30, 2015, 11:35:44 AM
While looking in to Jiggs Parrott, I discovered Ed Delahanty had a really great old-timey baseball death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Delahanty#Death
QuoteDelahanty died when he was swept over Niagara Falls in early July 1903. He was apparently kicked off a train by the train's conductor for being drunk and disorderly. The conductor said Delahanty was brandishing a straight razor and threatening passengers after he consumed five whiskies.[8] After being kicked off the train, Delahanty started his way across the International Bridge connecting Buffalo, NY with Fort Erie (near Niagara Falls) and fell or jumped off the bridge (some accounts say Ed was yelling about death that night).[9] Whether "Big Ed" died from his plunge over the Falls or drowned on the way to the Falls is uncertain.
A study of the tragedy appeared with the publication of July 2, 1903: The Mysterious Death of Big Ed Delahanty, by Mike Sowell (New York, Toronto, MacMillan Publishing Co., 1992). Sowell presents the evidence of a drunken accident, suicide, and even possibly a robbery-murder (there were reports of a mysterious man following Delahanty).
"Big" Ed was 6'1" and 170 pounds.
Theo needs more Big Ed types. Big Ed clearly didn't tolerate any fucking bullshit.
I hope that drunky drunk Kris Bryant doesn't get swept over Niagara Falls.
According to Joe it sounds like Javy isn't coming back for a while yet. I wonder if there's some number they're hoping he hits (K rate below 25%?) or he still hasn't perfected the swing changes they asked him to make.
This is probably the right call, but I would still like less Starlin in my life. Maybe La Stella will be back this and can take some starts at 2B.
Quote from: SKO on August 03, 2015, 07:30:11 AM
According to Joe it sounds like Javy isn't coming back for a while yet. I wonder if there's some number they're hoping he hits (K rate below 25%?) or he still hasn't perfected the swing changes they asked him to make.
This is probably the right call, but I would still like less Starlin in my life. Maybe La Stella will be back this and can take some starts at 2B.
Wonder if it's simply a space issue. Montero will be back soon. Adding Javy would mean two guys removed. If Starlin isn't traded or DL'd, who could it be?
Wait... Looking at the Cubs.com page. Are they really carrying 14 pitchers?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 03, 2015, 08:10:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 03, 2015, 07:30:11 AM
According to Joe it sounds like Javy isn't coming back for a while yet. I wonder if there's some number they're hoping he hits (K rate below 25%?) or he still hasn't perfected the swing changes they asked him to make.
This is probably the right call, but I would still like less Starlin in my life. Maybe La Stella will be back this and can take some starts at 2B.
Wonder if it's simply a space issue. Montero will be back soon. Adding Javy would mean two guys removed. If Starlin isn't traded or DL'd, who could it be?
Wait... Looking at the Cubs.com page. Are they really carrying 14 pitchers?
If it was simply a space issue Johnny Buckets would be cut so fast that the bucket would spin around for a second in mid air before falling to the ground like in a cartoon. Much as Joe seems to like him, there's no way this administration would let Herrera be an impediment if they thought Javy was ready. In fact, from the way I read Joe's comments, it seemed he had inquired about bringing Baez up and was told by Epstoyer that they weren't doing it until they deemed Javy ready.
Quote from: SKO on August 03, 2015, 08:14:39 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 03, 2015, 08:10:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 03, 2015, 07:30:11 AM
According to Joe it sounds like Javy isn't coming back for a while yet. I wonder if there's some number they're hoping he hits (K rate below 25%?) or he still hasn't perfected the swing changes they asked him to make.
This is probably the right call, but I would still like less Starlin in my life. Maybe La Stella will be back this and can take some starts at 2B.
Wonder if it's simply a space issue. Montero will be back soon. Adding Javy would mean two guys removed. If Starlin isn't traded or DL'd, who could it be?
Wait... Looking at the Cubs.com page. Are they really carrying 14 pitchers?
If it was simply a space issue Johnny Buckets would be cut so fast that the bucket would spin around for a second in mid air before falling to the ground like in a cartoon. Much as Joe seems to like him, there's no way this administration would let Herrera be an impediment if they thought Javy was ready. In fact, from the way I read Joe's comments, it seemed he had inquired about bringing Baez up and was told by Epstoyer that they weren't doing it until they deemed Javy ready.
Speaking of Old Timey Baseball Deaths. Let me tell you about Tommy "Two At One Time" La Stella...
Quote from: SKO on August 03, 2015, 07:30:11 AM
According to Joe it sounds like Javy isn't coming back for a while yet. I wonder if there's some number they're hoping he hits (K rate below 25%?) or he still hasn't perfected the swing changes they asked him to make.
This is probably the right call, but I would still like less Starlin in my life. Maybe La Stella will be back this and can take some starts at 2B.
He's got 12K in 30 PAs (40%) since being back in Iowa. He needs to get back to where he was pre-injury (22%) before there can be any discussion of him getting back to Chicago.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 03, 2015, 03:11:21 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 03, 2015, 07:30:11 AM
According to Joe it sounds like Javy isn't coming back for a while yet. I wonder if there's some number they're hoping he hits (K rate below 25%?) or he still hasn't perfected the swing changes they asked him to make.
This is probably the right call, but I would still like less Starlin in my life. Maybe La Stella will be back this and can take some starts at 2B.
He's got 12K in 30 PAs (40%) since being back in Iowa. He needs to get back to where he was pre-injury (22%) before there can be any discussion of him getting back to Chicago.
My Kolt is slashing .415 /.444/.707/ 1.152 with a .366 K rate his last 10 games. His BABIP is .583. Is that sustainable?
Also, I apologize for turning this thread away from Javier Baez. Al will give me a 24 hour time out now.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 03, 2015, 03:23:34 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 03, 2015, 03:11:21 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 03, 2015, 07:30:11 AM
According to Joe it sounds like Javy isn't coming back for a while yet. I wonder if there's some number they're hoping he hits (K rate below 25%?) or he still hasn't perfected the swing changes they asked him to make.
This is probably the right call, but I would still like less Starlin in my life. Maybe La Stella will be back this and can take some starts at 2B.
He's got 12K in 30 PAs (40%) since being back in Iowa. He needs to get back to where he was pre-injury (22%) before there can be any discussion of him getting back to Chicago.
My Kolt is slashing .415 /.444/.707/ 1.152 with a .366 K rate his last 10 games. His BABIP is .583. Is that sustainable?
Also, I apologize for turning this thread away from Javier Baez. Al will give me a 24 hour time out now.
You can serve that concurrently with the one I'm handing you for talking about Mike Fucking Olt even mockingly.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 03, 2015, 03:23:34 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 03, 2015, 03:11:21 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 03, 2015, 07:30:11 AM
According to Joe it sounds like Javy isn't coming back for a while yet. I wonder if there's some number they're hoping he hits (K rate below 25%?) or he still hasn't perfected the swing changes they asked him to make.
This is probably the right call, but I would still like less Starlin in my life. Maybe La Stella will be back this and can take some starts at 2B.
He's got 12K in 30 PAs (40%) since being back in Iowa. He needs to get back to where he was pre-injury (22%) before there can be any discussion of him getting back to Chicago.
My Kolt is slashing .415 /.444/.707/ 1.152 with a .366 K rate his last 10 games. His BABIP is .583. Is that sustainable?
Also, I apologize for turning this thread away from Javier Baez. Al will give me a 24 hour time out now.
No, but if he wants to get a hit each day from here on out like he's Joe Motherfucking Dimaggio, that's cool. He can regress next season when he's playing for San Diego.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 03, 2015, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 03, 2015, 03:23:34 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 03, 2015, 03:11:21 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 03, 2015, 07:30:11 AM
According to Joe it sounds like Javy isn't coming back for a while yet. I wonder if there's some number they're hoping he hits (K rate below 25%?) or he still hasn't perfected the swing changes they asked him to make.
This is probably the right call, but I would still like less Starlin in my life. Maybe La Stella will be back this and can take some starts at 2B.
He's got 12K in 30 PAs (40%) since being back in Iowa. He needs to get back to where he was pre-injury (22%) before there can be any discussion of him getting back to Chicago.
My Kolt is slashing .415 /.444/.707/ 1.152 with a .366 K rate his last 10 games. His BABIP is .583. Is that sustainable?
Also, I apologize for turning this thread away from Javier Baez. Al will give me a 24 hour time out now.
No, but if he wants to get a hit each day from here on out like he's Joe Motherfucking Dimaggio, that's cool. He can regress next season when he's playing for San Diego.
And who would be coming back from San Diego for him, just out of morbid curiosity?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 03, 2015, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 03, 2015, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 03, 2015, 03:23:34 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 03, 2015, 03:11:21 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 03, 2015, 07:30:11 AM
According to Joe it sounds like Javy isn't coming back for a while yet. I wonder if there's some number they're hoping he hits (K rate below 25%?) or he still hasn't perfected the swing changes they asked him to make.
This is probably the right call, but I would still like less Starlin in my life. Maybe La Stella will be back this and can take some starts at 2B.
He's got 12K in 30 PAs (40%) since being back in Iowa. He needs to get back to where he was pre-injury (22%) before there can be any discussion of him getting back to Chicago.
My Kolt is slashing .415 /.444/.707/ 1.152 with a .366 K rate his last 10 games. His BABIP is .583. Is that sustainable?
Also, I apologize for turning this thread away from Javier Baez. Al will give me a 24 hour time out now.
No, but if he wants to get a hit each day from here on out like he's Joe Motherfucking Dimaggio, that's cool. He can regress next season when he's playing for San Diego.
And who would be coming back from San Diego for him, just out of morbid curiosity?
Ty's son Ross.
So before Rizzo got called up by the Friars in 2011 he had played 93 games at AAA and had 413 PAs. He stunk up the joint to a .141/.281/.242/.523 line with a 51 OPS+ in the majors. Javy had 104 games and 434 PAs in Iowa, then .169/.227/.324/.551 with a 52 OPS+ in the majors.
Second time around Rizzo got an extra 70 games and 284 PAs at Iowa before he was brought up to stay for good. Javy is currently sitting at 44 games and 196 PAs. I wonder if that 275ish PAs is the number they're trying to hit with Javy, using Rizzo's experience as the template.
Or maybe it's just coincidence.
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 01:26:22 PM
So before Rizzo got called up by the Friars in 2011 he had played 93 games at AAA and had 413 PAs. He stunk up the joint to a .141/.281/.242/.523 line with a 51 OPS+ in the majors. Javy had 104 games and 434 PAs in Iowa, then .169/.227/.324/.551 with a 52 OPS+ in the majors.
Second time around Rizzo got an extra 70 games and 284 PAs at Iowa before he was brought up to stay for good. Javy is currently sitting at 44 games and 196 PAs. I wonder if that 275ish PAs is the number they're trying to hit with Javy, using Rizzo's experience as the template.
Or maybe it's just coincidence.
Or maybe they realize they're different players and their scouts and player development staffs are telling them Javy isn't ready yet. OR maybe they're the exact same player and he will be pulled from the game as soon as he completes his 284th PA (which will be a HR, natch).
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2015, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 01:26:22 PM
So before Rizzo got called up by the Friars in 2011 he had played 93 games at AAA and had 413 PAs. He stunk up the joint to a .141/.281/.242/.523 line with a 51 OPS+ in the majors. Javy had 104 games and 434 PAs in Iowa, then .169/.227/.324/.551 with a 52 OPS+ in the majors.
Second time around Rizzo got an extra 70 games and 284 PAs at Iowa before he was brought up to stay for good. Javy is currently sitting at 44 games and 196 PAs. I wonder if that 275ish PAs is the number they're trying to hit with Javy, using Rizzo's experience as the template.
Or maybe it's just coincidence.
Or maybe they realize they're different players and their scouts and player development staffs are telling them Javy isn't ready yet. OR maybe they're the exact same player and he will be pulled from the game as soon as he completes his 284th PA (which will be a HR, natch).
I'm gonna call it like I see it here. Sterling's been kicking SKO's ass lately a little bit. I'm not calling the fight or anything but he's got a couple rounds under his belt.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2015, 01:38:01 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2015, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 01:26:22 PM
So before Rizzo got called up by the Friars in 2011 he had played 93 games at AAA and had 413 PAs. He stunk up the joint to a .141/.281/.242/.523 line with a 51 OPS+ in the majors. Javy had 104 games and 434 PAs in Iowa, then .169/.227/.324/.551 with a 52 OPS+ in the majors.
Second time around Rizzo got an extra 70 games and 284 PAs at Iowa before he was brought up to stay for good. Javy is currently sitting at 44 games and 196 PAs. I wonder if that 275ish PAs is the number they're trying to hit with Javy, using Rizzo's experience as the template.
Or maybe it's just coincidence.
Or maybe they realize they're different players and their scouts and player development staffs are telling them Javy isn't ready yet. OR maybe they're the exact same player and he will be pulled from the game as soon as he completes his 284th PA (which will be a HR, natch).
I'm gonna call it like I see it here. Sterling's been kicking SKO's ass lately a little bit.
That's fine. I'm not questioning their verdict that Javy isn't ready, was just noticing the similarities between how Rizzo performed his first go round and how Javy did, and whether that might have set a precedent. Naturally there are other factors involved.
But hey we could have another thread talking about me, I'm sure that's a thing people want.
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 01:46:20 PM
But hey we could have another thread talking about me, I'm sure that's a thing people want.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
B U T T H U R T
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 01:52:59 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 01:46:20 PM
But hey we could have another thread talking about me, I'm sure that's a thing people want.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
B U T T H U R T
These are good posts. Good discussion happening here on the baseball board.
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 01:58:24 PM
These are good posts. Good discussion happening here on the baseball board.
Lighten up, Francis.
I predict that Baez will be in the lineup by the time Cubs play at US Comiskular.
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 01:58:24 PM
These are good posts. Good discussion happening here on the baseball board.
Lighten up, Francis.
I predict that Baez will be in the lineup by the time Cubs play at US Comiskular.
I'm not mad, I just think it's got to be getting boring at this point for someone to have to read the following:
SKO POST
SNARKY REPLY
SNARKY REPLY TO THE SNARKY REPLY
OOH BUTTHURT WHY SO BUTTHURT.
in like 15 different threads. I'm sure it's my fault for trying to discuss a baseball thing rather than letting the nice silence marinate for a few more hours. Let's just end the chain and move on to the based ball.
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 01:58:24 PM
These are good posts. Good discussion happening here on the baseball board.
Lighten up, Francis.
I predict that Baez will be in the lineup by the time Cubs play at US Comiskular.
I'm not mad, I just think it's got to be getting boring at this point for someone to have to read the following:
SKO POST
SNARKY REPLY
SNARKY REPLY TO THE SNARKY REPLY
OOH BUTTHURT WHY SO BUTTHURT.
in like 15 different threads. I'm sure it's my fault for trying to discuss a baseball thing rather than letting the nice silence marinate for a few more hours. Let's just end the chain and move on to the based ball.
Which is why I moved ahead and went back to talking about Baez, but thanks for pulling us back in, twat.
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 02:26:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 01:58:24 PM
These are good posts. Good discussion happening here on the baseball board.
Lighten up, Francis.
I predict that Baez will be in the lineup by the time Cubs play at US Comiskular.
I'm not mad, I just think it's got to be getting boring at this point for someone to have to read the following:
SKO POST
SNARKY REPLY
SNARKY REPLY TO THE SNARKY REPLY
OOH BUTTHURT WHY SO BUTTHURT.
in like 15 different threads. I'm sure it's my fault for trying to discuss a baseball thing rather than letting the nice silence marinate for a few more hours. Let's just end the chain and move on to the based ball.
Which is why I moved ahead and went back to talking about Baez, but thanks for pulling us back in, twat.
You can't say that word, it's only cool when
they say it, man. They being Australians.
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 01:58:24 PM
These are good posts. Good discussion happening here on the baseball board.
Lighten up, Francis.
I predict that Baez will be in the lineup by the time Cubs play at US Comiskular.
I'm not mad, I just think it's got to be getting boring at this point for someone to have to read the following:
SKO POST
SNARKY REPLY
SNARKY REPLY TO THE SNARKY REPLY
OOH BUTTHURT WHY SO BUTTHURT.
in like 15 different threads. I'm sure it's my fault for trying to discuss a baseball thing rather than letting the nice silence marinate for a few more hours. Let's just end the chain and move on to the based ball.
This probably only happens after 2% of your posts.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2015, 03:07:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 01:58:24 PM
These are good posts. Good discussion happening here on the baseball board.
Lighten up, Francis.
I predict that Baez will be in the lineup by the time Cubs play at US Comiskular.
I'm not mad, I just think it's got to be getting boring at this point for someone to have to read the following:
SKO POST
SNARKY REPLY
SNARKY REPLY TO THE SNARKY REPLY
OOH BUTTHURT WHY SO BUTTHURT.
in like 15 different threads. I'm sure it's my fault for trying to discuss a baseball thing rather than letting the nice silence marinate for a few more hours. Let's just end the chain and move on to the based ball.
This probably only happens after 2% of your posts.
Yeah but weirdly enough that's somehow 10% of all the posts on this messageboard.
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 03:12:00 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2015, 03:07:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 01:58:24 PM
These are good posts. Good discussion happening here on the baseball board.
Lighten up, Francis.
I predict that Baez will be in the lineup by the time Cubs play at US Comiskular.
I'm not mad, I just think it's got to be getting boring at this point for someone to have to read the following:
SKO POST
SNARKY REPLY
SNARKY REPLY TO THE SNARKY REPLY
OOH BUTTHURT WHY SO BUTTHURT.
in like 15 different threads. I'm sure it's my fault for trying to discuss a baseball thing rather than letting the nice silence marinate for a few more hours. Let's just end the chain and move on to the based ball.
This probably only happens after 2% of your posts.
Yeah but weirdly enough that's somehow 10% of all the posts on this messageboard.
Maybe I did my math wrong, but that means you have 500% of the posts here. Solid number. SKO is the scrappy white guy of Desipio
Quote from: Yeti on August 04, 2015, 03:37:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 03:12:00 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2015, 03:07:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 01:58:24 PM
These are good posts. Good discussion happening here on the baseball board.
Lighten up, Francis.
I predict that Baez will be in the lineup by the time Cubs play at US Comiskular.
I'm not mad, I just think it's got to be getting boring at this point for someone to have to read the following:
SKO POST
SNARKY REPLY
SNARKY REPLY TO THE SNARKY REPLY
OOH BUTTHURT WHY SO BUTTHURT.
in like 15 different threads. I'm sure it's my fault for trying to discuss a baseball thing rather than letting the nice silence marinate for a few more hours. Let's just end the chain and move on to the based ball.
This probably only happens after 2% of your posts.
Yeah but weirdly enough that's somehow 10% of all the posts on this messageboard.
Maybe I did my math wrong, but that means you have 500% of the posts here. Solid number. SKO is the scrappy white guy of Desipio
In other words, Desipio's version of TAYLOR TEAGARDEN.
Quote from: Yeti on August 04, 2015, 03:37:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 03:12:00 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2015, 03:07:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 01:58:24 PM
These are good posts. Good discussion happening here on the baseball board.
Lighten up, Francis.
I predict that Baez will be in the lineup by the time Cubs play at US Comiskular.
I'm not mad, I just think it's got to be getting boring at this point for someone to have to read the following:
SKO POST
SNARKY REPLY
SNARKY REPLY TO THE SNARKY REPLY
OOH BUTTHURT WHY SO BUTTHURT.
in like 15 different threads. I'm sure it's my fault for trying to discuss a baseball thing rather than letting the nice silence marinate for a few more hours. Let's just end the chain and move on to the based ball.
This probably only happens after 2% of your posts.
Yeah but weirdly enough that's somehow 10% of all the posts on this messageboard.
Maybe I did my math wrong, but that means you have 500% of the posts here. Solid number. SKO is the scrappy white guy of Desipio
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/1/10/McBain_-_Let%27s_Get_Silly.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130813194642)
That's the joke
But anyway Baez.
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: Yeti on August 04, 2015, 03:37:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 03:12:00 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2015, 03:07:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 01:58:24 PM
These are good posts. Good discussion happening here on the baseball board.
Lighten up, Francis.
I predict that Baez will be in the lineup by the time Cubs play at US Comiskular.
I'm not mad, I just think it's got to be getting boring at this point for someone to have to read the following:
SKO POST
SNARKY REPLY
SNARKY REPLY TO THE SNARKY REPLY
OOH BUTTHURT WHY SO BUTTHURT.
in like 15 different threads. I'm sure it's my fault for trying to discuss a baseball thing rather than letting the nice silence marinate for a few more hours. Let's just end the chain and move on to the based ball.
This probably only happens after 2% of your posts.
Yeah but weirdly enough that's somehow 10% of all the posts on this messageboard.
Maybe I did my math wrong, but that means you have 500% of the posts here. Solid number. SKO is the scrappy white guy of Desipio
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/1/10/McBain_-_Let%27s_Get_Silly.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130813194642)
That's the joke
I'm aware, but numbers. I like them
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 07:52:46 PM
But anyway Baez.
If Castro is actually back--not that I'm saying he is after he finally looked like the hitter we haven't seen all season tonight but work with me here for aminute--then what? Before Schwarber got called up and proved he doesn't belong in the minors (and before Baez got hurt), I think the idea was to move Bryant to LF and Baez to 3B but I think that train has left the station. I don't know what value either of those guys (Castro and Baez) would have on the bench. Nice problem to have though.
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 07:52:46 PM
But anyway Baez.
If Castro is actually back--not that I'm saying he is after he finally looked like the hitter we haven't seen all season tonight but work with me here for aminute--then what? Before Schwarber got called up and proved he doesn't belong in the minors (and before Baez got hurt), I think the idea was to move Bryant to LF and Baez to 3B but I think that train has left the station. I don't know what value either of those guys (Castro and Bryant) would have on the bench. Nice problem to have though.
Why would that train have left the station? Put Bryant in left and Javy at third against lefties when Coghlan goes out, or just wait for Coghlan to get shitty again and make the switch. Or platoon Soler/Coghlan in right until Jorge gets hot. I suspect Joe Maddon, infamous lineup tinkerer will find a way to get them all in on a fairly consistent basis. Either way this team should go from having no bench for much of the season to having one of the deepest ones in the sport by September.
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 07:52:46 PM
But anyway Baez.
If Castro is actually back--not that I'm saying he is after he finally looked like the hitter we haven't seen all season tonight but work with me here for aminute--then what? Before Schwarber got called up and proved he doesn't belong in the minors (and before Baez got hurt), I think the idea was to move Bryant to LF and Baez to 3B but I think that train has left the station. I don't know what value either of those guys (Castro and Bryant) would have on the bench. Nice problem to have though.
Why would that train have left the station? Put Bryant in left and Javy at third against lefties when Coghlan goes out, or just wait for Coghlan to get shitty again and make the switch. Or platoon Soler/Coghlan in right until Jorge gets hot. I suspect Joe Maddon, infamous lineup tinkerer will find a way to get them all in on a fairly consistent basis. Either way this team should go from having no bench for much of the season to having one of the deepest ones in the sport by September.
So in other words, LeBron James will make them his bitch in the playoffs? That's so Chicago.
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 07:52:46 PM
But anyway Baez.
If Castro is actually back--not that I'm saying he is after he finally looked like the hitter we haven't seen all season tonight but work with me here for aminute--then what? Before Schwarber got called up and proved he doesn't belong in the minors (and before Baez got hurt), I think the idea was to move Bryant to LF and Baez to 3B but I think that train has left the station. I don't know what value either of those guys (Castro and Bryant) would have on the bench. Nice problem to have though.
Why would that train have left the station? Put Bryant in left and Javy at third against lefties when Coghlan goes out, or just wait for Coghlan to get shitty again and make the switch. Or platoon Soler/Coghlan in right until Jorge gets hot. I suspect Joe Maddon, infamous lineup tinkerer will find a way to get them all in on a fairly consistent basis. Either way this team should go from having no bench for much of the season to having one of the deepest ones in the sport by September.
So where does Schwarber get his at-bats? Only against righties and only on LF? It's clear he's not catching everyday. Under this scenario it would seem that Schwarber loses at-bats at the expense of Baez. Unless I'm missing something.
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 07:52:46 PM
But anyway Baez.
If Castro is actually back--not that I'm saying he is after he finally looked like the hitter we haven't seen all season tonight but work with me here for aminute--then what? Before Schwarber got called up and proved he doesn't belong in the minors (and before Baez got hurt), I think the idea was to move Bryant to LF and Baez to 3B but I think that train has left the station. I don't know what value either of those guys (Castro and Bryant) would have on the bench. Nice problem to have though.
Why would that train have left the station? Put Bryant in left and Javy at third against lefties when Coghlan goes out, or just wait for Coghlan to get shitty again and make the switch. Or platoon Soler/Coghlan in right until Jorge gets hot. I suspect Joe Maddon, infamous lineup tinkerer will find a way to get them all in on a fairly consistent basis. Either way this team should go from having no bench for much of the season to having one of the deepest ones in the sport by September.
So where does Schwarber get his at-bats? Only against righties and only on LF? It's clear he's not catching everyday. Under this scenario it would seem that Schwarber loses at-bats at the expense of Baez. Unless I'm missing something.
Eh, Joe can play the matchups and the hot hands, rotate guys in and out. He'll figure it out. Feel like Bryant and Russell especially could actually benefit from some days off actually. They've barely had a breather since they came up. Could teach Schwarber to stand at first once every couple of weeks for Tony, too.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2015, 09:56:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 07:52:46 PM
But anyway Baez.
If Castro is actually back--not that I'm saying he is after he finally looked like the hitter we haven't seen all season tonight but work with me here for aminute--then what? Before Schwarber got called up and proved he doesn't belong in the minors (and before Baez got hurt), I think the idea was to move Bryant to LF and Baez to 3B but I think that train has left the station. I don't know what value either of those guys (Castro and Bryant) would have on the bench. Nice problem to have though.
Why would that train have left the station? Put Bryant in left and Javy at third against lefties when Coghlan goes out, or just wait for Coghlan to get shitty again and make the switch. Or platoon Soler/Coghlan in right until Jorge gets hot. I suspect Joe Maddon, infamous lineup tinkerer will find a way to get them all in on a fairly consistent basis. Either way this team should go from having no bench for much of the season to having one of the deepest ones in the sport by September.
So in other words, LeBron James will make them his bitch in the playoffs? That's so Chicago.
That's the pepper.
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 10:12:00 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 07:52:46 PM
But anyway Baez.
If Castro is actually back--not that I'm saying he is after he finally looked like the hitter we haven't seen all season tonight but work with me here for aminute--then what? Before Schwarber got called up and proved he doesn't belong in the minors (and before Baez got hurt), I think the idea was to move Bryant to LF and Baez to 3B but I think that train has left the station. I don't know what value either of those guys (Castro and Bryant) would have on the bench. Nice problem to have though.
Why would that train have left the station? Put Bryant in left and Javy at third against lefties when Coghlan goes out, or just wait for Coghlan to get shitty again and make the switch. Or platoon Soler/Coghlan in right until Jorge gets hot. I suspect Joe Maddon, infamous lineup tinkerer will find a way to get them all in on a fairly consistent basis. Either way this team should go from having no bench for much of the season to having one of the deepest ones in the sport by September.
So where does Schwarber get his at-bats? Only against righties and only on LF? It's clear he's not catching everyday. Under this scenario it would seem that Schwarber loses at-bats at the expense of Baez. Unless I'm missing something.
Eh, Joe can play the matchups and the hot hands, rotate guys in and out. He'll figure it out. Feel like Bryant and Russell especially could actually benefit from some days off actually. They've barely had a breather since they came up. Could teach Schwarber to stand at first once every couple of weeks for Tony, too.
They mentioned on the SCORE this morning that Maddon's trying to give Rizzo a breather here and there but didn't want to do it while he's hitting so hot. Since there's no natural backup for him at 1st I think plugging Schwarber in there a few times is the answer. I also would suspect that Maddon has thought of this. Let's hope so, since Schwarber's bat should really be in that lineup at least 6 out out of every 7 games IMO.
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2015, 08:52:32 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 10:12:00 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 07:52:46 PM
But anyway Baez.
If Castro is actually back--not that I'm saying he is after he finally looked like the hitter we haven't seen all season tonight but work with me here for aminute--then what? Before Schwarber got called up and proved he doesn't belong in the minors (and before Baez got hurt), I think the idea was to move Bryant to LF and Baez to 3B but I think that train has left the station. I don't know what value either of those guys (Castro and Bryant) would have on the bench. Nice problem to have though.
Why would that train have left the station? Put Bryant in left and Javy at third against lefties when Coghlan goes out, or just wait for Coghlan to get shitty again and make the switch. Or platoon Soler/Coghlan in right until Jorge gets hot. I suspect Joe Maddon, infamous lineup tinkerer will find a way to get them all in on a fairly consistent basis. Either way this team should go from having no bench for much of the season to having one of the deepest ones in the sport by September.
So where does Schwarber get his at-bats? Only against righties and only on LF? It's clear he's not catching everyday. Under this scenario it would seem that Schwarber loses at-bats at the expense of Baez. Unless I'm missing something.
Eh, Joe can play the matchups and the hot hands, rotate guys in and out. He'll figure it out. Feel like Bryant and Russell especially could actually benefit from some days off actually. They've barely had a breather since they came up. Could teach Schwarber to stand at first once every couple of weeks for Tony, too.
They mentioned on the SCORE this morning that Maddon's trying to give Rizzo a breather here and there but didn't want to do it while he's hitting so hot. Since there's no natural backup for him at 1st I think plugging Schwarber in there a few times is the answer. I also would suspect that Maddon has thought of this. Let's hope so, since Schwarber's bat should really be in that lineup at least 6 out out of every 7 games IMO.
I'll settle for 3 of 5 and now I demand we fight to the death over this.
Quote from: SKO on August 05, 2015, 08:53:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2015, 08:52:32 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 10:12:00 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 07:52:46 PM
But anyway Baez.
If Castro is actually back--not that I'm saying he is after he finally looked like the hitter we haven't seen all season tonight but work with me here for aminute--then what? Before Schwarber got called up and proved he doesn't belong in the minors (and before Baez got hurt), I think the idea was to move Bryant to LF and Baez to 3B but I think that train has left the station. I don't know what value either of those guys (Castro and Bryant) would have on the bench. Nice problem to have though.
Why would that train have left the station? Put Bryant in left and Javy at third against lefties when Coghlan goes out, or just wait for Coghlan to get shitty again and make the switch. Or platoon Soler/Coghlan in right until Jorge gets hot. I suspect Joe Maddon, infamous lineup tinkerer will find a way to get them all in on a fairly consistent basis. Either way this team should go from having no bench for much of the season to having one of the deepest ones in the sport by September.
So where does Schwarber get his at-bats? Only against righties and only on LF? It's clear he's not catching everyday. Under this scenario it would seem that Schwarber loses at-bats at the expense of Baez. Unless I'm missing something.
Eh, Joe can play the matchups and the hot hands, rotate guys in and out. He'll figure it out. Feel like Bryant and Russell especially could actually benefit from some days off actually. They've barely had a breather since they came up. Could teach Schwarber to stand at first once every couple of weeks for Tony, too.
They mentioned on the SCORE this morning that Maddon's trying to give Rizzo a breather here and there but didn't want to do it while he's hitting so hot. Since there's no natural backup for him at 1st I think plugging Schwarber in there a few times is the answer. I also would suspect that Maddon has thought of this. Let's hope so, since Schwarber's bat should really be in that lineup at least 6 out out of every 7 games IMO.
I'll settle for 3 of 5 and now I demand we fight to the death over this.
4 out of 6 or fight me.
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But anyway Baez.
If Castro is actually back--not that I'm saying he is after he finally looked like the hitter we haven't seen all season tonight but work with me here for aminute--then what? Before Schwarber got called up and proved he doesn't belong in the minors (and before Baez got hurt), I think the idea was to move Bryant to LF and Baez to 3B but I think that train has left the station. I don't know what value either of those guys (Castro and Bryant) would have on the bench. Nice problem to have though.
Why would that train have left the station? Put Bryant in left and Javy at third against lefties when Coghlan goes out, or just wait for Coghlan to get shitty again and make the switch. Or platoon Soler/Coghlan in right until Jorge gets hot. I suspect Joe Maddon, infamous lineup tinkerer will find a way to get them all in on a fairly consistent basis. Either way this team should go from having no bench for much of the season to having one of the deepest ones in the sport by September.
So where does Schwarber get his at-bats? Only against righties and only on LF? It's clear he's not catching everyday. Under this scenario it would seem that Schwarber loses at-bats at the expense of Baez. Unless I'm missing something.
Eh, Joe can play the matchups and the hot hands, rotate guys in and out. He'll figure it out. Feel like Bryant and Russell especially could actually benefit from some days off actually. They've barely had a breather since they came up. Could teach Schwarber to stand at first once every couple of weeks for Tony, too.
They mentioned on the SCORE this morning that Maddon's trying to give Rizzo a breather here and there but didn't want to do it while he's hitting so hot. Since there's no natural backup for him at 1st I think plugging Schwarber in there a few times is the answer. I also would suspect that Maddon has thought of this. Let's hope so, since Schwarber's bat should really be in that lineup at least 6 out out of every 7 games IMO.
I'll settle for 3 of 5 and now I demand we fight to the death over this.
4 out of 6 or fight me.
54-40 or fight!
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But anyway Baez.
If Castro is actually back--not that I'm saying he is after he finally looked like the hitter we haven't seen all season tonight but work with me here for aminute--then what? Before Schwarber got called up and proved he doesn't belong in the minors (and before Baez got hurt), I think the idea was to move Bryant to LF and Baez to 3B but I think that train has left the station. I don't know what value either of those guys (Castro and Bryant) would have on the bench. Nice problem to have though.
Why would that train have left the station? Put Bryant in left and Javy at third against lefties when Coghlan goes out, or just wait for Coghlan to get shitty again and make the switch. Or platoon Soler/Coghlan in right until Jorge gets hot. I suspect Joe Maddon, infamous lineup tinkerer will find a way to get them all in on a fairly consistent basis. Either way this team should go from having no bench for much of the season to having one of the deepest ones in the sport by September.
So where does Schwarber get his at-bats? Only against righties and only on LF? It's clear he's not catching everyday. Under this scenario it would seem that Schwarber loses at-bats at the expense of Baez. Unless I'm missing something.
Eh, Joe can play the matchups and the hot hands, rotate guys in and out. He'll figure it out. Feel like Bryant and Russell especially could actually benefit from some days off actually. They've barely had a breather since they came up. Could teach Schwarber to stand at first once every couple of weeks for Tony, too.
They mentioned on the SCORE this morning that Maddon's trying to give Rizzo a breather here and there but didn't want to do it while he's hitting so hot. Since there's no natural backup for him at 1st I think plugging Schwarber in there a few times is the answer. I also would suspect that Maddon has thought of this. Let's hope so, since Schwarber's bat should really be in that lineup at least 6 out out of every 7 games IMO.
I'll settle for 3 of 5 and now I demand we fight to the death over this.
4 out of 6 or fight me.
54-40 or fight!
This is the worst game of Name That Tune I've ever seen.
August has not been kind (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=595879#/splits/R/hitting/2015/MINORS) to our boy so far.
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August has not been kind (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=595879#/splits/R/hitting/2015/MINORS) to our boy so far.
He had an 0-18 that sucked, but he only K'd 4 times in those 18 outs, I believe. He also walked 4 times in that stretch if I'm not mistaken. Given the season he's had overall down there I'm not going to worry about a slump that didn't even reach 20 at bats. Think he's had hits in each of his last two games. Overall the K rate is down to 26.1% and hopefully will keep descending.
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August has not been kind (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=595879#/splits/R/hitting/2015/MINORS) to our boy so far.
It's been even worse to Alcantarra. Don't even look.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 12, 2015, 10:14:10 AM
August has not been kind (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=595879#/splits/R/hitting/2015/MINORS) to our boy so far.
Huh?
He's walked in about 9% of his PAs. He only has 12 Ks in those same 47 PAs (~25%) -- not a small number but from Baez, all good. He only has 4 XBH in those 10 games but that's a pretty small sample (he has 10 hits in those 10 games).
Granted, it's not setting the world on fire but I'll take that over a 10 game stretch that's mostly randomness anyway.
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 12, 2015, 10:14:10 AM
August has not been kind (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=595879#/splits/R/hitting/2015/MINORS) to our boy so far.
Huh?
He's walked in about 9% of his PAs. He only has 12 Ks in those same 47 PAs (~25%) -- not a small number but from Baez, all good. He only has 4 XBH in those 10 games but that's a pretty small sample (he has 10 hits in those 10 games).
Granted, it's not setting the world on fire but I'll take that over a 10 game stretch that's mostly randomness anyway.
Well and given how insanely hot he was when he first came off the DL a little bit of regression as bound to happen. He went 0-18 and didn't do so by swinging and missing a lot. I'll call that progress.
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August has not been kind (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=595879#/splits/R/hitting/2015/MINORS) to our boy so far.
Huh?
He's walked in about 9% of his PAs. He only has 12 Ks in those same 47 PAs (~25%) -- not a small number but from Baez, all good. He only has 4 XBH in those 10 games but that's a pretty small sample (he has 10 hits in those 10 games).
Granted, it's not setting the world on fire but I'll take that over a 10 game stretch that's mostly randomness anyway.
Well and given how insanely hot he was when he first came off the DL a little bit of regression as bound to happen. He went 0-18 and didn't do so by swinging and missing a lot. I'll call that progress.
Wait...4 hitless games? That's Fork's "not so kind" sample size? And, in those 4 games, he scored a run in 3 of them. And, in one of them, he walked twice.
If that's a slump for the kid, it's bonertime.
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August has not been kind (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=595879#/splits/R/hitting/2015/MINORS) to our boy so far.
It's been even worse to Alcantarra. Don't even look.
2015 has been the pigeon and Mendy's been the statue.
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August has not been kind (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=595879#/splits/R/hitting/2015/MINORS) to our boy so far.
It's been even worse to Alcantarra. Don't even look.
2015 has been the pigeon and Mendy's been the statue. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX80qrX319E)
His K rate is diving toward 25%, and his August is up to 300/347/456/802.
But hooray for LaStella.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 24, 2015, 11:42:17 AM
His K rate is diving toward 25%, and his August is up to 300/347/456/802.
But hooray for LaStella.
I think it's fair to say I'm concerned that Epstink would rather try seemingly every option that isn't Javy Baez rather than Javy Baez. I really doubt him needing one more week of development at Iowa is the reason he didn't get the call today.
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 24, 2015, 11:42:17 AM
His K rate is diving toward 25%, and his August is up to 300/347/456/802.
But hooray for LaStella.
I think it's fair to say I'm concerned that Epstink would rather try seemingly every option that isn't Javy Baez rather than Javy Baez. I really doubt him needing one more week of development at Iowa is the reason he didn't get the call today.
He thinks Javy is bad. There's really not many lines to read between here.
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 24, 2015, 11:42:17 AM
His K rate is diving toward 25%, and his August is up to 300/347/456/802.
But hooray for LaStella.
I think it's fair to say I'm concerned that Epstink would rather try seemingly every option that isn't Javy Baez rather than Javy Baez. I really doubt him needing one more week of development at Iowa is the reason he didn't get the call today.
He thinks Javy is bad. There's really not many lines to read between here.
And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline. Everyone saw him in the majors last year, they aren't going to be impressed that he tore up the PCL in his second try at it, so if you aren't going to give him a shot at redemption in the majors this year, why hold on to him for so long?
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 24, 2015, 11:42:17 AM
His K rate is diving toward 25%, and his August is up to 300/347/456/802.
But hooray for LaStella.
I think it's fair to say I'm concerned that Epstink would rather try seemingly every option that isn't Javy Baez rather than Javy Baez. I really doubt him needing one more week of development at Iowa is the reason he didn't get the call today.
He thinks Javy is bad. There's really not many lines to read between here.
And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline. Everyone saw him in the majors last year, they aren't going to be impressed that he tore up the PCL in his second try at it, so if you aren't going to give him a shot at redemption in the majors this year, why hold on to him for so long?
I think deadline prices are historically higher than offseason prices, so they may have felt like they could get more value in the offseason for him.
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 24, 2015, 11:42:17 AM
His K rate is diving toward 25%, and his August is up to 300/347/456/802.
But hooray for LaStella.
I think it's fair to say I'm concerned that Epstink would rather try seemingly every option that isn't Javy Baez rather than Javy Baez. I really doubt him needing one more week of development at Iowa is the reason he didn't get the call today.
He thinks Javy is bad. There's really not many lines to read between here.
And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline. Everyone saw him in the majors last year, they aren't going to be impressed that he tore up the PCL in his second try at it, so if you aren't going to give him a shot at redemption in the majors this year, why hold on to him for so long?
I think deadline prices are historically higher than offseason prices, so they may have felt like they could get more value in the offseason for him.
This is true, I just feel like if it's easy for the Common Slaky to say "man, Theo thinks Javy sucks" I doubt his value has gone up at all in the last year and may have gone down. If the team that's done an unprecedented job of rapidly developing young talent and contending with rookies at the major league level decides Javy isn't worth the trouble, that's not going to get other teams salivating. In my mind it would almost be better to just call him and hope he catches fire and deal with it if he gets exposed again.
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 24, 2015, 11:42:17 AM
His K rate is diving toward 25%, and his August is up to 300/347/456/802.
But hooray for LaStella.
I think it's fair to say I'm concerned that Epstink would rather try seemingly every option that isn't Javy Baez rather than Javy Baez. I really doubt him needing one more week of development at Iowa is the reason he didn't get the call today.
He thinks Javy is bad. There's really not many lines to read between here.
And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline. Everyone saw him in the majors last year, they aren't going to be impressed that he tore up the PCL in his second try at it, so if you aren't going to give him a shot at redemption in the majors this year, why hold on to him for so long?
I think deadline prices are historically higher than offseason prices, so they may have felt like they could get more value in the offseason for him.
We're finally at the point where if there is a decision between calling up a prospect who may struggle prior to September 1 and a veteran who can provide some OBP and steady defense, they're going to call up the veteran. It's a league game, Smokey.
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And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline.
Because the return offered was too low. Outside of Price, who they weren't trading for, who did you want? Hamels? You really think a guy who posted .169/.227/.324/.551 was going to land you much?
He may suck, but no other team is going to give you someone very good for him. There's a better chance he finally figures it out compared to getting a good player back.
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And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline.
Because the return offered was too low. Outside of Price, who they weren't trading for, who did you want? Hamels? You really think a guy who posted .169/.227/.324/.551 was going to land you much?
He may suck, but no other team is going to give you someone very good for him. There's a better chance he finally figures it out compared to getting a good player back.
I heard they would not trade him for Tyson Ross, which I think would have been fair, but rumors are rumors.
I mean at the time I wanted them to keep Javy because I still want him to get another shot, but if they aren't going to give him one and the Padres would have taken him I doubt they get a better return after an extra few months of him hitting AAA pitching.
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Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2015, 12:10:46 PM
And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline.
Because the return offered was too low. Outside of Price, who they weren't trading for, who did you want? Hamels? You really think a guy who posted .169/.227/.324/.551 was going to land you much?
He may suck, but no other team is going to give you someone very good for him. There's a better chance he finally figures it out compared to getting a good player back.
Unfortunately Chuck is right. What perceived value do people think Baez has on his own? He's been horrible in the majors and he was hurt at the deadline.
If the Cubs were 25 games out I'm sure they'd be happy to give Baez a shot. Right now he's only valuable to this team as a defensive replacement.
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Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2015, 12:10:46 PM
And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline.
Because the return offered was too low. Outside of Price, who they weren't trading for, who did you want? Hamels? You really think a guy who posted .169/.227/.324/.551 was going to land you much?
He may suck, but no other team is going to give you someone very good for him. There's a better chance he finally figures it out compared to getting a good player back.
Unfortunately Chuck is right. What perceived value do people think Baez has on his own? He's been horrible in the majors and he was hurt at the deadline.
If the Cubs were 25 games out I'm sure they'd be happy to give Baez a shot. Right now he's only valuable to this team as a defensive replacement.
None of that is necessarily true. 229 PAs as a 21 year old in the majors isn't going to drop your value that much, I would think. In fact, the fact that he has 229 PAs in the majors as a 21 year old is a good thing. But, Chuslaky can believe whatever he wants.
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And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline.
Because the return offered was too low. Outside of Price, who they weren't trading for, who did you want? Hamels? You really think a guy who posted .169/.227/.324/.551 was going to land you much?
He may suck, but no other team is going to give you someone very good for him. There's a better chance he finally figures it out compared to getting a good player back.
Unfortunately Chuck is right. What perceived value do people think Baez has on his own? He's been horrible in the majors and he was hurt at the deadline.
If the Cubs were 25 games out I'm sure they'd be happy to give Baez a shot. Right now he's only valuable to this team as a defensive replacement.
None of that is necessarily true. 229 PAs as a 21 year old in the majors isn't going to drop your value that much, I would think. In fact, the fact that he has 229 PAs in the majors as a 21 year old is a good thing. But, Chuslaky can believe whatever he wants.
The 44.6% K Rate was atrocious. And his trend line was bad. Of his 52 MLB games played, his OPS was 655 his first 26 games, 446 in the final 26. There was nothing another MLB team would hang their hat on that he was a prospect that was worth trading top, established talent for.
229 PAs at age 21 is nice. What happened in those was not.
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There was nothing another MLB team would hang their hat on that he was a prospect that was worth trading top, established talent for.
No, nothing at all. Nothing about his minor-league career or scouting reports would indicate he had talent or upside.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 24, 2015, 02:22:55 PM
There was nothing another MLB team would hang their hat on that he was a prospect that was worth trading top, established talent for.
No, nothing at all. Nothing about his minor-league career or scouting reports would indicate he had talent or upside.
No, and given middle infielders with 40 homer potential grow on trees, no one would even dare take him as part of a package or consider gambling on him.
Frankly, I don't buy this. If the Cubs were going to write Baez off after a few bad months in the majors, they never should have called him up last year. Every thing in his history suggested his 100 or so PAs at any level were usually rough, and the majors were bound to be worse than that.
I know this comparison has been made before, but Rizzo put up a worse OPS in his age 21 rookie season than Baez did. The K rate wasn't as high (30%) but you don't need to look very far to find someone who has slightly improved on a very shitty short stint at age 21.
Quote from: R-V on August 24, 2015, 02:41:59 PM
I know this comparison has been made before, but Rizzo put up a worse OPS in his age 21 rookie season than Baez did. The K rate wasn't as high (30%) but you don't need to look very far to find someone who has slightly improved on a very shitty short stint at age 21.
Not all shitty stints are created equal.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 24, 2015, 02:22:55 PM
There was nothing another MLB team would hang their hat on that he was a prospect that was worth trading top, established talent for.
No, nothing at all. Nothing about his minor-league career or scouting reports would indicate he had talent or upside.
No, and given middle infielders with 40 homer potential grow on trees, no one would even dare take him as part of a package or consider gambling on him.
Frankly, I don't buy this. If the Cubs were going to write Baez off after a few bad months in the majors, they never should have called him up last year. Every thing in his history suggested his 100 or so PAs at any level were usually rough, and the majors were bound to be worse than that.
Yep. But the second 100 were worse than the first 100.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 24, 2015, 02:22:55 PM
There was nothing another MLB team would hang their hat on that he was a prospect that was worth trading top, established talent for.
No, nothing at all. Nothing about his minor-league career or scouting reports would indicate he had talent or upside.
No, and given middle infielders with 40 homer potential grow on trees, no one would even dare take him as part of a package or consider gambling on him.
Frankly, I don't buy this. If the Cubs were going to write Baez off after a few bad months in the majors, they never should have called him up last year. Every thing in his history suggested his 100 or so PAs at any level were usually rough, and the majors were bound to be worse than that.
Yep. But the second 100 were worse than the first 100.
That doesn't mean anything. 100 at-bats is not a trend. It's mostly noise.
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There was nothing another MLB team would hang their hat on that he was a prospect that was worth trading top, established talent for.
No, nothing at all. Nothing about his minor-league career or scouting reports would indicate he had talent or upside.
No, and given middle infielders with 40 homer potential grow on trees, no one would even dare take him as part of a package or consider gambling on him.
Frankly, I don't buy this. If the Cubs were going to write Baez off after a few bad months in the majors, they never should have called him up last year. Every thing in his history suggested his 100 or so PAs at any level were usually rough, and the majors were bound to be worse than that.
Yep. But the second 100 were worse than the first 100.
That doesn't mean anything. 100 at-bats is not a trend. It's mostly noise.
Kyle Schwarber's next 100 PAs are shaping up to be worse than his unbelievably hot first 100. Baseball is not a straight linear progression. Imagine if all we saw of Bryant this year was his month of July.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 24, 2015, 02:22:55 PM
There was nothing another MLB team would hang their hat on that he was a prospect that was worth trading top, established talent for.
No, nothing at all. Nothing about his minor-league career or scouting reports would indicate he had talent or upside.
No, and given middle infielders with 40 homer potential grow on trees, no one would even dare take him as part of a package or consider gambling on him.
Frankly, I don't buy this. If the Cubs were going to write Baez off after a few bad months in the majors, they never should have called him up last year. Every thing in his history suggested his 100 or so PAs at any level were usually rough, and the majors were bound to be worse than that.
Yep. But the second 100 were worse than the first 100.
That doesn't mean anything. 100 at-bats is not a trend. It's mostly noise.
Kyle Schwarber's next 100 PAs are shaping up to be worse than his unbelievably hot first 100. Baseball is not a straight linear progression. Imagine if all we saw of Bryant this year was his month of July.
We'd be like that guy sucks and wonder why they didn't trade him for teh Kole Hamellst.
Bryant had a one month stretch from June 23rd to July 26th where he hit .182/.297/.354 with a 33% K rate over 118 PAs. If that had been his first 118 PAs we'd have all wanted to commit suicide and Chuck would write him off forever.
But sure let's just never even give the guy who might have more power than Bryant while playing 2B a second chance.
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I know this comparison has been made before, but Rizzo put up a worse OPS in his age 21 rookie season than Baez did. The K rate wasn't as high (30%) but you don't need to look very far to find someone who has slightly improved on a very shitty short stint at age 21.
Not all shitty stints are created equal.
Well, yeah. That's kind of the point. The fact that Baez sucked in his debut at a young age might mean he's doomed to suck, but it also might not. I'm saying let's see how this plays out instead of selling low on a guy with ridiculous potential.
Quote from: R-V on August 24, 2015, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 24, 2015, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 24, 2015, 02:41:59 PM
I know this comparison has been made before, but Rizzo put up a worse OPS in his age 21 rookie season than Baez did. The K rate wasn't as high (30%) but you don't need to look very far to find someone who has slightly improved on a very shitty short stint at age 21.
Not all shitty stints are created equal.
Well, yeah. That's kind of the point. The fact that Baez sucked in his debut at a young age might mean he's doomed to suck, but it also might not. I'm saying let's see how this plays out instead of selling low on a guy with ridiculous potential.
All I'm saying is it might not play out with him being a huge contributor to this year's team. Which is fine. He had another big night at Iowa. I still hope he figures it out.
Quote from: Slaky on August 24, 2015, 10:46:05 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 24, 2015, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 24, 2015, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 24, 2015, 02:41:59 PM
I know this comparison has been made before, but Rizzo put up a worse OPS in his age 21 rookie season than Baez did. The K rate wasn't as high (30%) but you don't need to look very far to find someone who has slightly improved on a very shitty short stint at age 21.
Not all shitty stints are created equal.
Well, yeah. That's kind of the point. The fact that Baez sucked in his debut at a young age might mean he's doomed to suck, but it also might not. I'm saying let's see how this plays out instead of selling low on a guy with ridiculous potential.
All I'm saying is it might not play out with him being a huge contributor to this year's team. Which is fine. He had another big night at Iowa. I still hope he figures it out.
Well he's obviously not going to be a major contributor this year given that's it is almost September and he's yet to play at all for them. I don't see how playing him over Castro as the right handed part of a platoon with La Stella hurts them. Starlin's been as awful as a sixth year vet as Baez was as a free swinging rookie, and given Baez upside and what he's done at Iowa I'd bet on him being more productive offensively than Starlin and probably a better defensive second baseman as well.
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2015, 07:38:44 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 24, 2015, 10:46:05 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 24, 2015, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 24, 2015, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 24, 2015, 02:41:59 PM
I know this comparison has been made before, but Rizzo put up a worse OPS in his age 21 rookie season than Baez did. The K rate wasn't as high (30%) but you don't need to look very far to find someone who has slightly improved on a very shitty short stint at age 21.
Not all shitty stints are created equal.
Well, yeah. That's kind of the point. The fact that Baez sucked in his debut at a young age might mean he's doomed to suck, but it also might not. I'm saying let's see how this plays out instead of selling low on a guy with ridiculous potential.
All I'm saying is it might not play out with him being a huge contributor to this year's team. Which is fine. He had another big night at Iowa. I still hope he figures it out.
Well he's obviously not going to be a major contributor this year given that's it is almost September and he's yet to play at all for them. I don't see how playing him over Castro as the right handed part of a platoon with La Stella hurts them. Starlin's been as awful as a sixth year vet as Baez was as a free swinging rookie, and given Baez upside and what he's done at Iowa I'd bet on him being more productive offensively than Starlin and probably a better defensive second baseman as well.
So give him all of the Iowa at bats, call him up in September and give him a start a week or something. If he catches lightening in a bottle think long and hard about putting him on the October roster. Give him the 2B jorb out of Spring Training. Send Slaky a mean Tweet or seven.
PROFIT
I'm not buying the Cubs not being enamored with Baez. If they wanted to make him the centerpiece of a trade bundle, they could have easily gotten Ross or even Hamels.
If he hadn't gotten hurt he'd have been here by now. Now if you told me the Cubs were ready to cut bait with Alcantara or Olt, that I'd believe.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 25, 2015, 11:21:00 AM
I'm not buying the Cubs not being enamored with Baez. If they wanted to make him the centerpiece of a trade bundle, they could have easily gotten Ross or even Hamels.
If he hadn't gotten hurt he'd have been here by now. Now if you told me the Cubs were ready to cut bait with Alcantara or Olt, that I'd believe.
I heard they're open to moving Mike Baxter and Mack Seizure, but the price is pretty high.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 25, 2015, 11:21:00 AM
If they wanted to make him the centerpiece of a trade bundle, they could have easily gotten Ross or even Hamels.
How do you know this?
Quote from: Eli on August 25, 2015, 12:20:31 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 25, 2015, 11:21:00 AM
If they wanted to make him the centerpiece of a trade bundle, they could have easily gotten Ross or even Hamels.
How do you know this?
What about Baez' mythical ceiling suggests he could fetch an excellent major leaguer as a centerpiece? He was AWFUL last year and injured at the deadline.
I hope he figures it out because I love his violent power but jesus Fork, that's absurd. If they were enamored with him he'd be here.
Quote from: Slaky on August 25, 2015, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 25, 2015, 12:20:31 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 25, 2015, 11:21:00 AM
If they wanted to make him the centerpiece of a trade bundle, they could have easily gotten Ross or even Hamels.
How do you know this?
What about Baez' mythical ceiling suggests he could fetch an excellent major leaguer as a centerpiece? He was AWFUL last year and injured at the deadline.
I hope he figures it out because I love his violent power but jesus Fork, that's absurd. If they were enamored with him he'd be here.
Baez talent is such that I think in the right package (and the key word is package, he'd probably have needed to be thrown in with a guy like McKinney and pitchers with an actual future like Underwood or Pierce Johnson) he probably could have gotten them Tyson Ross.
The Phillies by all accounts said no on him as a centerpiece to the Hamels deal.
I don't think Theo and Jed are so enamored of him that they wouldn't have parted with him for the right price, but I also don't buy that they've already washed their hands of him and are just hoping crushing AAA pitching boosts his value enough to move him this winter. Apparently he's playing 3B at Iowa right now to open up the possibility of Bryant moving to RF with Javy at 3B (presumably vs. lefties) at times in September.
Either way, I hope the kid comes up and mashes it and we can have another FYC for years to come.
Quote from: Slaky on August 25, 2015, 12:26:24 PM
What about Baez' mythical ceiling suggests he could fetch an excellent major leaguer as a centerpiece?
Probably the 40-homer potential from a middle infielder.
We really have no idea what the team is thinking with Baez, but we shouldn't ignore the significant improvements he's made this year:
At AAA:
2014: .260/.323/.510, 30% K rate
2015: .315/.383/.542, 24.7% K rate
Quote from: Eli on August 25, 2015, 12:34:35 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 25, 2015, 12:26:24 PM
What about Baez' mythical ceiling suggests he could fetch an excellent major leaguer as a centerpiece?
Probably the 40-homer potential from a middle infielder.
Javy Baez was a consensus top 5 prospect last year. His 90th % projection has been described as "a unicorn" because 30+ homer middle infielders with his range and upside defensively are practically non existent. If you don't think he could have been moved along with some other pieces for a significant player, I strongly disagree.
Not to beat the dead horse of the Rizzo comparison, but Tony was never higher than the #37 overall prospect, and he had as bad of a first stint as Javy, and he plays a position where it's a hell of a lot easier to find offense. He was able to command Andrew Cashner as return in a trade, when Cashner was a 23 year old with great stuff who had been a top 100 prospect in his own right and went on to become an above average starter when healthy.
Tyson Ross is a better pitcher than Andrew Cashner, but Javy is a more highly thought of prospect than Rizzo ever was, so it's really far from inconceivable that Javy could have brought back something pretty damn good in return if Theo was open to dealing him.
DPD, but here are ten year PECOTA projections for Javy Baez, factoring in what he did last year, his age, his comps, etc.:
(http://i.imgur.com/V1MdX3y.png)
PECOTA is usually considered to be a fairly conservative projection system. Obviously there's a good chance he'll never do that, but that's a conservative projection system that has taken into account his awful stint last year and determined that he's still capable of averaging 26 homers a year as a middle infielder. There's no way his trade value is nonexistent.
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2015, 01:14:08 PM
DPD, but here are ten year PECOTA projections for Javy Baez, factoring in what he did last year, his age, his comps, etc.:
(http://i.imgur.com/V1MdX3y.png)
PECOTA is usually considered to be a fairly conservative projection system. Obviously there's a good chance he'll never do that, but that's a conservative projection system that has taken into account his awful stint last year and determined that he's still capable of averaging 26 homers a year as a middle infielder. There's no way his trade value is nonexistent.
I'm even sure what I'm trying to argue but the basic point is he might have some trade value, and I'm sure the Cubs would like to increase it. If he comes good - fantastic. I don't believe, based on what I've heard, that the front office thinks he's going to reach this potential. That could definitely change. I hope it does. I would like a player to be putting up those numbers at second base.
Quote from: Slaky on August 25, 2015, 01:21:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2015, 01:14:08 PM
DPD, but here are ten year PECOTA projections for Javy Baez, factoring in what he did last year, his age, his comps, etc.:
(http://i.imgur.com/V1MdX3y.png)
PECOTA is usually considered to be a fairly conservative projection system. Obviously there's a good chance he'll never do that, but that's a conservative projection system that has taken into account his awful stint last year and determined that he's still capable of averaging 26 homers a year as a middle infielder. There's no way his trade value is nonexistent.
I'm even sure what I'm trying to argue but the basic point is he might have some trade value, and I'm sure the Cubs would like to increase it. If he comes good - fantastic. I don't believe, based on what I've heard, that the front office thinks he's going to reach this potential. That could definitely change. I hope it does. I would like a player to be putting up those numbers at second base.
Do you know someone who actually purports to have heard Jepstink's opinion on the matter or is that just your interpretation of everything that's been said about him and how this year has played out for him in general?
Or do you just have a friend sleeping with Sean Gallagher?
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2015, 01:32:08 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 25, 2015, 01:21:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2015, 01:14:08 PM
DPD, but here are ten year PECOTA projections for Javy Baez, factoring in what he did last year, his age, his comps, etc.:
(http://i.imgur.com/V1MdX3y.png)
PECOTA is usually considered to be a fairly conservative projection system. Obviously there's a good chance he'll never do that, but that's a conservative projection system that has taken into account his awful stint last year and determined that he's still capable of averaging 26 homers a year as a middle infielder. There's no way his trade value is nonexistent.
I'm even sure what I'm trying to argue but the basic point is he might have some trade value, and I'm sure the Cubs would like to increase it. If he comes good - fantastic. I don't believe, based on what I've heard, that the front office thinks he's going to reach this potential. That could definitely change. I hope it does. I would like a player to be putting up those numbers at second base.
Do you know someone who actually purports to have heard Jepstink's opinion on the matter or is that just your interpretation of everything that's been said about him and how this year has played out for him in general?
Or do you just have a friend sleeping with Sean Gallagher?
Slaky's been low key running with TDubbs and Jed through the bars and getting all the hot scoops on prospects.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 25, 2015, 04:01:16 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2015, 01:32:08 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 25, 2015, 01:21:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2015, 01:14:08 PM
DPD, but here are ten year PECOTA projections for Javy Baez, factoring in what he did last year, his age, his comps, etc.:
(http://i.imgur.com/V1MdX3y.png)
PECOTA is usually considered to be a fairly conservative projection system. Obviously there's a good chance he'll never do that, but that's a conservative projection system that has taken into account his awful stint last year and determined that he's still capable of averaging 26 homers a year as a middle infielder. There's no way his trade value is nonexistent.
I'm even sure what I'm trying to argue but the basic point is he might have some trade value, and I'm sure the Cubs would like to increase it. If he comes good - fantastic. I don't believe, based on what I've heard, that the front office thinks he's going to reach this potential. That could definitely change. I hope it does. I would like a player to be putting up those numbers at second base.
Do you know someone who actually purports to have heard Jepstink's opinion on the matter or is that just your interpretation of everything that's been said about him and how this year has played out for him in general?
Or do you just have a friend sleeping with Sean Gallagher?
Slaky's been low key running with TDubbs and Jed through the bars and getting all the hot scoops on prospects.
I've been hanging out with Slezak
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/13512551/after-loss-injury-javier-baez-ready-cubs
This is a very good profile on Baez and the rough life he's had. I had no idea that his father had died when he was a kid. Add in the tragedy of his sister's life and death, and man, I hope this kid makes it.
Quote from: SKO on August 26, 2015, 10:26:45 AM
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/13512551/after-loss-injury-javier-baez-ready-cubs
This is a very good profile on Baez and the rough life he's had. I had no idea that his father had died when he was a kid. Add in the tragedy of his sister's life and death, and man, I hope this kid makes it.
Excellent article. Would be so great if he could contribute down the stretch. A Rizzo-Baez-Russell-Bryant infield would be just the balls.
Quote from: R-V on August 26, 2015, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 26, 2015, 10:26:45 AM
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/13512551/after-loss-injury-javier-baez-ready-cubs
This is a very good profile on Baez and the rough life he's had. I had no idea that his father had died when he was a kid. Add in the tragedy of his sister's life and death, and man, I hope this kid makes it.
Excellent article. Would be so great if he could contribute down the stretch. A Rizzo-Baez-Russell-Bryant infield would be just the balls.
My guess is the lineup vs LHP in September will look like this:
Fowler CF
Schwarber LF
Rizzo 1B
Bryant RF
Baez 3B
Castro 2B
Ross C
Pitcher
Russell SS
And then they might sprinkle Javy in vs. right handers from time to time at 3B, SS, and 2B to spell those guys. Bryant especially could use a backup who isn't Jonathan Herrera. I don't think he's had a true day off since he came up. Even when Joe's tried to rest him he usually pinch hits.
Quote from: SKO on August 26, 2015, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 26, 2015, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 26, 2015, 10:26:45 AM
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/13512551/after-loss-injury-javier-baez-ready-cubs
This is a very good profile on Baez and the rough life he's had. I had no idea that his father had died when he was a kid. Add in the tragedy of his sister's life and death, and man, I hope this kid makes it.
Excellent article. Would be so great if he could contribute down the stretch. A Rizzo-Baez-Russell-Bryant infield would be just the balls.
My guess is the lineup vs LHP in September will look like this:
Fowler CF
Schwarber LF
Rizzo 1B
Bryant RF
Baez 3B
Castro 2B
Ross C
Pitcher
Russell SS
And then they might sprinkle Javy in vs. right handers from time to time at 3B, SS, and 2B to spell those guys. Bryant especially could use a backup who isn't Jonathan Herrera. I don't think he's had a true day off since he came up. Even when Joe's tried to rest him he usually pinch hits.
Does Bryant have the arm for RF? I'm guessing not really.
Quote from: Tonker on August 26, 2015, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 26, 2015, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 26, 2015, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 26, 2015, 10:26:45 AM
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/13512551/after-loss-injury-javier-baez-ready-cubs
This is a very good profile on Baez and the rough life he's had. I had no idea that his father had died when he was a kid. Add in the tragedy of his sister's life and death, and man, I hope this kid makes it.
Excellent article. Would be so great if he could contribute down the stretch. A Rizzo-Baez-Russell-Bryant infield would be just the balls.
My guess is the lineup vs LHP in September will look like this:
Fowler CF
Schwarber LF
Rizzo 1B
Bryant RF
Baez 3B
Castro 2B
Ross C
Pitcher
Russell SS
And then they might sprinkle Javy in vs. right handers from time to time at 3B, SS, and 2B to spell those guys. Bryant especially could use a backup who isn't Jonathan Herrera. I don't think he's had a true day off since he came up. Even when Joe's tried to rest him he usually pinch hits.
Does Bryant have the arm for RF? I'm guessing not really.
Does Chris Coghlan? Jorge's dead, we have to make do with what we've got.
Quote from: R-V on August 26, 2015, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 26, 2015, 10:26:45 AM
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/13512551/after-loss-injury-javier-baez-ready-cubs
This is a very good profile on Baez and the rough life he's had. I had no idea that his father had died when he was a kid. Add in the tragedy of his sister's life and death, and man, I hope this kid makes it.
Excellent article. Would be so great if he could contribute down the stretch. A Rizzo-Baez-Russell-Bryant infield would be just the balls.
Really great article. I read it in my wife's
clearly very dusty car while she ran into the store.
Quote from: Tonker on August 26, 2015, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 26, 2015, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 26, 2015, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 26, 2015, 10:26:45 AM
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/13512551/after-loss-injury-javier-baez-ready-cubs
This is a very good profile on Baez and the rough life he's had. I had no idea that his father had died when he was a kid. Add in the tragedy of his sister's life and death, and man, I hope this kid makes it.
Excellent article. Would be so great if he could contribute down the stretch. A Rizzo-Baez-Russell-Bryant infield would be just the balls.
My guess is the lineup vs LHP in September will look like this:
Fowler CF
Schwarber LF
Rizzo 1B
Bryant RF
Baez 3B
Castro 2B
Ross C
Pitcher
Russell SS
And then they might sprinkle Javy in vs. right handers from time to time at 3B, SS, and 2B to spell those guys. Bryant especially could use a backup who isn't Jonathan Herrera. I don't think he's had a true day off since he came up. Even when Joe's tried to rest him he usually pinch hits.
Does Bryant have the arm for RF? I'm guessing not really.
I think some statfags/prospectnerds have projected him as an eventual right fielder down the road. Guy's a Grade-A athlete; I'm not sure that concerns about his arm are valid.
Quote from: PANK! on August 26, 2015, 01:05:14 PM
Quote from: Tonker on August 26, 2015, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 26, 2015, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 26, 2015, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 26, 2015, 10:26:45 AM
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/13512551/after-loss-injury-javier-baez-ready-cubs
This is a very good profile on Baez and the rough life he's had. I had no idea that his father had died when he was a kid. Add in the tragedy of his sister's life and death, and man, I hope this kid makes it.
Excellent article. Would be so great if he could contribute down the stretch. A Rizzo-Baez-Russell-Bryant infield would be just the balls.
My guess is the lineup vs LHP in September will look like this:
Fowler CF
Schwarber LF
Rizzo 1B
Bryant RF
Baez 3B
Castro 2B
Ross C
Pitcher
Russell SS
And then they might sprinkle Javy in vs. right handers from time to time at 3B, SS, and 2B to spell those guys. Bryant especially could use a backup who isn't Jonathan Herrera. I don't think he's had a true day off since he came up. Even when Joe's tried to rest him he usually pinch hits.
Does Bryant have the arm for RF? I'm guessing not really.
I think some statfags/prospectnerds have projected him as an eventual right fielder down the road. Guy's a Grade-A athlete; I'm not sure that concerns about his arm are valid.
As a fielder I've always heard him compared to Alex Gordon: a mediocre 3B who could be a gold glove caliber corner OF. I think his arm is plenty strong enough, I don't know if it's very accurate. Then again he's been a solid third baseman so far this year so maybe scouts just suck.
Don't know if he'll make the trip with Iowa down to Oklahoma City today or if he's just headed to Chicago so he can be ready for tomorrow, but if yesterday was his last game with Iowa I'd say he made the most of his time there. After a four hit game yesterday:
.324/.385/.527/.911. K rate of 24.3%.
Let's see what he can do.
Quote from: SKO on August 26, 2015, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 26, 2015, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 26, 2015, 10:26:45 AM
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/13512551/after-loss-injury-javier-baez-ready-cubs
This is a very good profile on Baez and the rough life he's had. I had no idea that his father had died when he was a kid. Add in the tragedy of his sister's life and death, and man, I hope this kid makes it.
Excellent article. Would be so great if he could contribute down the stretch. A Rizzo-Baez-Russell-Bryant infield would be just the balls.
My guess is the lineup vs LHP in September will look like this:
Fowler CF
Schwarber LF
Rizzo 1B
Bryant RF
Baez 3B
Castro 2B
Ross C
Pitcher
Russell SS
And then they might sprinkle Javy in vs. right handers from time to time at 3B, SS, and 2B to spell those guys. Bryant especially could use a backup who isn't Jonathan Herrera. I don't think he's had a true day off since he came up. Even when Joe's tried to rest him he usually pinch hits.
Maddon's been keeping Schwarber away from LHPs, no?
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 31, 2015, 11:04:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 26, 2015, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 26, 2015, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 26, 2015, 10:26:45 AM
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/13512551/after-loss-injury-javier-baez-ready-cubs
This is a very good profile on Baez and the rough life he's had. I had no idea that his father had died when he was a kid. Add in the tragedy of his sister's life and death, and man, I hope this kid makes it.
Excellent article. Would be so great if he could contribute down the stretch. A Rizzo-Baez-Russell-Bryant infield would be just the balls.
My guess is the lineup vs LHP in September will look like this:
Fowler CF
Schwarber LF
Rizzo 1B
Bryant RF
Baez 3B
Castro 2B
Ross C
Pitcher
Russell SS
And then they might sprinkle Javy in vs. right handers from time to time at 3B, SS, and 2B to spell those guys. Bryant especially could use a backup who isn't Jonathan Herrera. I don't think he's had a true day off since he came up. Even when Joe's tried to rest him he usually pinch hits.
Maddon's been keeping Schwarber away from LHPs, no?
He has but I think he'll get him some work against them going forward. Denorfia hasn't hit a thing since June, Coghlan is completely useless vs. lefties. Schwarber hit them fairly well in the minors, worth trying to get him up to speed against some LHPs that aren't named Kershaw or Bumgarner this month.
Austin Jackson has just been dealt to the Cubs.
Yipee?
Quote from: Canadouche on August 31, 2015, 05:35:40 PM
Austin Jackson has just been dealt to the Cubs.
Yipee?
Sure. I mean I've grown tired as fuck waiting for Ryan Dempster doppelgänger Chris Denorfia to contribute in any meaningful way. That fucker's been put on notice.
Quote from: Canadouche on August 31, 2015, 05:35:40 PM
Austin Jackson has just been dealt to the Cubs.
Yipee?
Wrong thread?
Quote from: InternetApex on September 01, 2015, 08:26:21 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 01, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 31, 2015, 05:35:40 PM
Austin Jackson has just been dealt to the Cubs.
Yipee?
Wrong thread?
There is no right thread for Kurt.
To be fair, we still haven't FIREBARN'd CFiHP, so I think Krut gets a pass.
If he'd connected on that 3-1 swing I think the ball might have literally broke through a scoreboard. Really liked his AB against Chapman. Outcome wasn't what he hoped but the approach was great.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 02, 2015, 04:31:09 PM
If he'd connected on that 3-1 swing I think the ball might have literally broke through a scoreboard. Really liked his AB against Chapman. Outcome wasn't what he hoped but the approach was great.
No issues with it. I get pretty happy every time an AB doesn't result in a K. His k rate is down to 20%.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 02, 2015, 04:31:09 PM
If he'd connected on that 3-1 swing I think the ball might have literally broke through a scoreboard. Really liked his AB against Chapman. Outcome wasn't what he hoped but the approach was great.
I thought overswinging was what he was supposed to learn to stop doing?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 02, 2015, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 02, 2015, 04:31:09 PM
If he'd connected on that 3-1 swing I think the ball might have literally broke through a scoreboard. Really liked his AB against Chapman. Outcome wasn't what he hoped but the approach was great.
I thought overswinging was what he was supposed to learn to stop doing?
Swinging at pitches outside the strike zone is what he's supposed to learn to stop doing.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 02, 2015, 05:50:54 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 02, 2015, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 02, 2015, 04:31:09 PM
If he'd connected on that 3-1 swing I think the ball might have literally broke through a scoreboard. Really liked his AB against Chapman. Outcome wasn't what he hoped but the approach was great.
I thought overswinging was what he was supposed to learn to stop doing?
Swinging at pitches outside the strike zone is what he's supposed to learn to stop doing.
Yeah if that was last year's Javy I'm pretty sure he strikes out in that AB well before he runs the count to 3-1. I'd have liked a little more control on the 3-1 swing, yeah, but he only swung for the fences when he had a pitch to burn. That he made contact at all with 2 strikes vs Chapman is probably a good sign.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 02, 2015, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 02, 2015, 04:31:09 PM
If he'd connected on that 3-1 swing I think the ball might have literally broke through a scoreboard. Really liked his AB against Chapman. Outcome wasn't what he hoped but the approach was great.
I thought overswinging was what he was supposed to learn to stop doing?
With 2 strikes.
Quote from: PANK! on September 03, 2015, 08:49:15 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 02, 2015, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 02, 2015, 04:31:09 PM
If he'd connected on that 3-1 swing I think the ball might have literally broke through a scoreboard. Really liked his AB against Chapman. Outcome wasn't what he hoped but the approach was great.
I thought overswinging was what he was supposed to learn to stop doing?
With 2 strikes.
Does Chuck think he should choke up from the get go? That'd be pretty stupid considering his major gift is raw power.
Quote from: Slaky on September 03, 2015, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: PANK! on September 03, 2015, 08:49:15 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 02, 2015, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 02, 2015, 04:31:09 PM
If he'd connected on that 3-1 swing I think the ball might have literally broke through a scoreboard. Really liked his AB against Chapman. Outcome wasn't what he hoped but the approach was great.
I thought overswinging was what he was supposed to learn to stop doing?
With 2 strikes.
Does Chuck think he should choke up from the get go? That'd be pretty stupid considering his major gift is raw power.
You'd like to think that he knows he has a better chance at making contact by keeping his swing under a modicum of control. And with the wind blowing out, he has plenty of power with a non-Superman-drilling-a-hole-in-the-sidewalk swing to get the ball out of the park.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 03, 2015, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 03, 2015, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: PANK! on September 03, 2015, 08:49:15 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 02, 2015, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 02, 2015, 04:31:09 PM
If he'd connected on that 3-1 swing I think the ball might have literally broke through a scoreboard. Really liked his AB against Chapman. Outcome wasn't what he hoped but the approach was great.
I thought overswinging was what he was supposed to learn to stop doing?
With 2 strikes.
Does Chuck think he should choke up from the get go? That'd be pretty stupid considering his major gift is raw power.
You'd like to think that he knows he has a better chance at making contact by keeping his swing under a modicum of control. And with the wind blowing out, he has plenty of power with a non-Superman-drilling-a-hole-in-the-sidewalk swing to get the ball out of the park.
I WANT TA SEE ALLA DAT BAYEZ GUYS DINGERS BOUNCIN OFF UP KENMORE MY FRENT.
Both sides have a point. Javy looks more patient overall, and I'm glad he picked his spot to unleash hell, but that swing was obviously not a good one by any stretch of the imagination. We'll have to see if he unleashes more swings like that against people who don't throw 103 MPH or if that's just typical "holy shit I'm facing Aroldis Chapman" overswinging.
Quote from: SKO on September 03, 2015, 10:54:32 AM
Both sides have a point. Javy looks more patient overall, and I'm glad he picked his spot to unleash hell, but that swing was obviously not a good one by any stretch of the imagination. We'll have to see if he unleashes more swings like that against people who don't throw 103 MPH or if that's just typical "holy shit I'm facing Aroldis Chapman" overswinging.
You're right. My fear, based solely on last year, is that it's just typical "I'm Javy Baez and that's how I play" overswinging.
Let's see how this plays out.
Quote from: SKO on September 03, 2015, 10:54:32 AM
Both sides have a point. Javy looks more patient overall, and I'm glad he picked his spot to unleash hell, but that swing was obviously not a good one by any stretch of the imagination. We'll have to see if he unleashes more swings like that against people who don't throw 103 MPH or if that's just typical "holy shit I'm facing Aroldis Chapman" overswinging.
Which is funny in itself, since you don't have to swing Thor's hammer to get a triple-digit heater to go 400 feet.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 03, 2015, 11:33:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 03, 2015, 10:54:32 AM
Both sides have a point. Javy looks more patient overall, and I'm glad he picked his spot to unleash hell, but that swing was obviously not a good one by any stretch of the imagination. We'll have to see if he unleashes more swings like that against people who don't throw 103 MPH or if that's just typical "holy shit I'm facing Aroldis Chapman" overswinging.
Which is funny in itself, since you don't have to swing Thor's hammer to get a triple-digit heater to go 400 feet.
Well, maybe YOU don't, Conan. But a noodle armed dork like me probably would.
A bases loaded walk! He's a changed man!
Quote from: SKO on September 04, 2015, 01:49:55 PM
A bases loaded walk! He's a changed man!
STOCK RISING
:)
Trying so hard not to get too excited here but the thought of Javy actually tapping into that potential and completing the most powerful and erotic infield in all of baseball is so tempting
Quote from: SKO on September 04, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
Trying so hard not to get too excited here but the thought of Javy actually tapping into that potential and completing the most powerful and erotic infield in all of baseball is so tempting
Seriously, though. Can you imagine? Rizzo, Baez, Russell, Bryant. Mother of God.
EDIT: I know "clutch" and RBI don't mean anything, but CRISP RYAN has 85 runs batted in, in just 450 ABs. I would do whatever he asked me to do.
Quote from: Tonker on September 04, 2015, 05:43:16 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 04, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
Trying so hard not to get too excited here but the thought of Javy actually tapping into that potential and completing the most powerful and erotic infield in all of baseball is so tempting
Seriously, though. Can you imagine? Rizzo, Baez, Russell, Bryant. Mother of God.
EDIT: I know "clutch" and RBI don't mean anything, but CRISP RYAN has 85 runs batted in, in just 450 ABs. I would do whatever he asked me to do.
Most likely, "Comply with the restraining order."
Quote from: Shooter on September 04, 2015, 07:55:47 PM
Quote from: Tonker on September 04, 2015, 05:43:16 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 04, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
Trying so hard not to get too excited here but the thought of Javy actually tapping into that potential and completing the most powerful and erotic infield in all of baseball is so tempting
Seriously, though. Can you imagine? Rizzo, Baez, Russell, Bryant. Mother of God.
EDIT: I know "clutch" and RBI don't mean anything, but CRISP RYAN has 85 runs batted in, in just 450 ABs. I would do whatever he asked me to do.
Most likely, "Comply with the restraining order."
Actually, he just wants Tonk to retire from Desipio before he tarnishes his legacy.
Quote from: CT III on September 04, 2015, 09:11:54 PM
Quote from: Shooter on September 04, 2015, 07:55:47 PM
Quote from: Tonker on September 04, 2015, 05:43:16 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 04, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
Trying so hard not to get too excited here but the thought of Javy actually tapping into that potential and completing the most powerful and erotic infield in all of baseball is so tempting
Seriously, though. Can you imagine? Rizzo, Baez, Russell, Bryant. Mother of God.
EDIT: I know "clutch" and RBI don't mean anything, but CRISP RYAN has 85 runs batted in, in just 450 ABs. I would do whatever he asked me to do.
Most likely, "Comply with the restraining order."
Actually, he just wants Tonk to retire from Desipio before he tarnishes his legacy.
I validate both of these responses.
Quote from: Bort on September 04, 2015, 09:45:24 PM
Quote from: CT III on September 04, 2015, 09:11:54 PM
Quote from: Shooter on September 04, 2015, 07:55:47 PM
Quote from: Tonker on September 04, 2015, 05:43:16 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 04, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
Trying so hard not to get too excited here but the thought of Javy actually tapping into that potential and completing the most powerful and erotic infield in all of baseball is so tempting
Seriously, though. Can you imagine? Rizzo, Baez, Russell, Bryant. Mother of God.
EDIT: I know "clutch" and RBI don't mean anything, but CRISP RYAN has 85 runs batted in, in just 450 ABs. I would do whatever he asked me to do.
Most likely, "Comply with the restraining order."
Actually, he just wants Tonk to retire from Desipio before he tarnishes his legacy.
I validate both of these responses.
I also LOLed, and that with a hangover.
Still just 3 Ks in 19 PAs and he's hitting a lot of balls hard (38.5 % hard contact) despite some bad luck (.231 BABIP) and it seems like he's going opposite field a lot. He definitely looks improved. Defense has also been sexy.
Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2015, 07:02:45 PM
Still just 3 Ks in 19 PAs and he's hitting a lot of balls hard (38.5 % hard contact) despite some bad luck (.231 BABIP) and it seems like he's going opposite field a lot. He definitely looks improved. Defense has also been sexy.
I hope he and Russell are turning double plays for the next decade. They're so smooth out there.
Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational Javy Baez
Quote from: SKO on September 08, 2015, 08:14:23 PM
Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational Javy Baez
Look at the size of that thing!
(2014 quote)
Quote from: SKO on September 08, 2015, 08:14:23 PM
Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational Javy Baez
Okay, fine. I'm enough of a dork that I enjoyed that.
Quote from: Bort on September 08, 2015, 08:39:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 08, 2015, 08:14:23 PM
Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational Javy Baez
Okay, fine. I'm enough of a dork that I enjoyed that.
I feel bad for Starlin that he had an awesome game and I'm pushing him out the door but Baez' defense at three different positions and him now appearing to have an approach that will allow him to tap into his potential with the bat makes him the future. That barehand play was unbelievable.
This guy looks like a different player. I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could. Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 08, 2015, 11:45:16 PM
This guy looks like a different player. I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could. Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.
I'll remain steadfast in my belief that Cole Hamels both eat shit and die.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 08, 2015, 11:45:16 PM
This guy looks like a different player. I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could. Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.
I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.
His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.
God I love Joe Maddon.
Quote from: Slaky on September 09, 2015, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 08, 2015, 11:45:16 PM
This guy looks like a different player. I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could. Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.
I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.
His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.
God I love Joe Maddon.
I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.
I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2015, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 09, 2015, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 08, 2015, 11:45:16 PM
This guy looks like a different player. I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could. Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.
I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.
His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.
God I love Joe Maddon.
I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.
I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.
I doubted Joe's lineup before the start of last night's game. Joe was right.
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2015, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 09, 2015, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 08, 2015, 11:45:16 PM
This guy looks like a different player. I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could. Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.
I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.
His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.
God I love Joe Maddon.
I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.
I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.
Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/ .688/1.132
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 09, 2015, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2015, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 09, 2015, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 08, 2015, 11:45:16 PM
This guy looks like a different player. I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could. Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.
I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.
His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.
God I love Joe Maddon.
I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.
I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.
Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/ .688/1.132
K rate WAY down. Of course he could always go on a strikeout binge. I think Joe mixing him in with off days here and there really will help him maintain focus and not get into a prolonged slump.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 09, 2015, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2015, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 09, 2015, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 08, 2015, 11:45:16 PM
This guy looks like a different player. I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could. Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.
I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.
His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.
God I love Joe Maddon.
I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.
I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.
Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/ .688/1.132
No, Chuck.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 09, 2015, 12:03:36 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 09, 2015, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2015, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 09, 2015, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 08, 2015, 11:45:16 PM
This guy looks like a different player. I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could. Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.
I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.
His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.
God I love Joe Maddon.
I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.
I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.
Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/ .688/1.132
No, Chuck.
Chuck's gonna Chuck.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 09, 2015, 12:13:02 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 09, 2015, 12:03:36 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 09, 2015, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2015, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 09, 2015, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 08, 2015, 11:45:16 PM
This guy looks like a different player. I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could. Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.
I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.
His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.
God I love Joe Maddon.
I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.
I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.
Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/ .688/1.132
No, Chuck.
Chuck's gonna Chuck.
Yeah, a 6-pitch AB that ran to a full count and didn't end in a K against Chapman. Clearly he was shit on that one.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 09, 2015, 12:28:15 PM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 09, 2015, 12:03:36 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 09, 2015, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2015, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 09, 2015, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 08, 2015, 11:45:16 PM
This guy looks like a different player. I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could. Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.
I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.
His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.
God I love Joe Maddon.
I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.
I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.
Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/ .688/1.132
No, Chuck.
Chuck's gonna Chuck.
Yeah, a 6-pitch AB that ran to a full count and didn't end in a K against Chapman. Clearly he was shit on that one.
Alternatively, its
Aroldis Frikin Chapman. I wouldn't find that much significance if he struck out on two pitches against that mutant.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 09, 2015, 11:31:03 AM
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Quote from: Slaky on September 09, 2015, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 08, 2015, 11:45:16 PM
This guy looks like a different player. I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could. Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.
I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.
His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.
God I love Joe Maddon.
I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.
I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.
Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/ .688/1.132
No, Chuck.
Chuck's gonna Chuck.
Yeah, a 6-pitch AB that ran to a full count and didn't end in a K against Chapman. Clearly he was shit on that one.
Alternatively, its Aroldis Frikin Chapman. I wouldn't find that much significance if he struck out on two pitches against that mutant.
Yeah but you see there's no way Chuck allowed his confirmation bias to allow him to overreact to one swing, so Javy must have made his adjustments afterwards, clearly.
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2015, 01:44:09 PM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 09, 2015, 12:03:36 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 09, 2015, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2015, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 09, 2015, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 08, 2015, 11:45:16 PM
This guy looks like a different player. I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could. Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.
I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.
His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.
God I love Joe Maddon.
I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.
I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.
Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/ .688/1.132
No, Chuck.
Chuck's gonna Chuck.
Yeah, a 6-pitch AB that ran to a full count and didn't end in a K against Chapman. Clearly he was shit on that one.
Alternatively, its Aroldis Frikin Chapman. I wouldn't find that much significance if he struck out on two pitches against that mutant.
Yeah but you see there's no way Chuck allowed his confirmation bias to allow him to overreact to one swing, so Javy must have made his adjustments afterwards, clearly.
that swing was obviously not a good one by any stretch of the imagination
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This guy looks like a different player. I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could. Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.
I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.
His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.
God I love Joe Maddon.
I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.
I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.
Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/ .688/1.132
No, Chuck.
Chuck's gonna Chuck.
Yeah, a 6-pitch AB that ran to a full count and didn't end in a K against Chapman. Clearly he was shit on that one.
Alternatively, its Aroldis Frikin Chapman. I wouldn't find that much significance if he struck out on two pitches against that mutant.
Yeah but you see there's no way Chuck allowed his confirmation bias to allow him to overreact to one swing, so Javy must have made his adjustments afterwards, clearly.
that swing was obviously not a good one by any stretch of the imagination
You'll note that in the same post where I said that swing wasn't very good that he was "obviously more patient overall". There's a difference between saying the swing sucked and he "didn't appear to have learned anything"
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This guy looks like a different player. I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could. Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.
I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.
His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.
God I love Joe Maddon.
I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.
I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.
Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/ .688/1.132
No, Chuck.
Chuck's gonna Chuck.
Yeah, a 6-pitch AB that ran to a full count and didn't end in a K against Chapman. Clearly he was shit on that one.
Alternatively, its Aroldis Frikin Chapman. I wouldn't find that much significance if he struck out on two pitches against that mutant.
Yeah but you see there's no way Chuck allowed his confirmation bias to allow him to overreact to one swing, so Javy must have made his adjustments afterwards, clearly.
that swing was obviously not a good one by any stretch of the imagination
You'll note that in the same post where I said that swing wasn't very good that he was "obviously more patient overall". There's a difference between saying the swing sucked and he "didn't appear to have learned anything"
Both sides have a point.
As I'm shaking my head at Chuck's wrongness, I turn around just in time to see Baez get a base hit on an 0-2 count.
Quote from: Oleg on September 09, 2015, 02:14:39 PM
As I'm shaking my head at Chuck's wrongness, I turn around just in time to see Baez get a base hit on an 0-2 count.
FYC
Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.
2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C Montero/Ross *
* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)
Quote from: R-V on September 16, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.
2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C Montero/Ross *
* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)
Coghlan in an un-platooned role at second base? Have you gone mad?
Quote from: PANK! on September 16, 2015, 04:47:04 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 16, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.
2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C Montero/Ross *
* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)
Coghlan in an un-platooned role at second base? Have you gone mad?
Platoon Coghlan with Starlin Castro, Maddon's new Zobrist, this time with 98.76% more FYCs/
Quote from: R-V on September 16, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.
2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C Montero/Ross *
* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)
A Schwarber/Baez/Soler outfield sounds fucking ghastly. Please sign Dexter.
As much as I would love having Ben Zobrist on the Cubs, bringing his wife's smooth listening contemporary Christian stylings to the walkup music rotation, it's probably too crowded of a cheap cost-controlled talent picture next year to pay him what he's probably going to get. No?
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As much as I would love having Ben Zobrist on the Cubs, bringing his wife's smooth listening contemporary Christian stylings to the walkup music rotation, it's probably too crowded of a cheap cost-controlled talent picture next year to pay him what he's probably going to get. No?
With all of the guys the Cubs have that can play multiple positions, he seems unnecessary.
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As much as I would love having Ben Zobrist on the Cubs, bringing his wife's smooth listening contemporary Christian stylings to the walkup music rotation, it's probably too crowded of a cheap cost-controlled talent picture next year to pay him what he's probably going to get. No?
With all of the guys the Cubs have that can play multiple positions for a lot less money, he seems unnecessary.
ETAed.
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As much as I would love having Ben Zobrist on the Cubs, bringing his wife's smooth listening contemporary Christian stylings to the walkup music rotation, it's probably too crowded of a cheap cost-controlled talent picture next year to pay him what he's probably going to get. No?
With all of the guys the Cubs have that can play multiple positions for a lot less money, he seems unnecessary.
ETAed.
And a lot of his value was that he could play multiple infield positions well, which isn't really the case anymore (and will only get worse with him turning 35 next year). Ideally, he'd only be a left fielder this point and that's not going to be worth the contract he gets.
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As much as I would love having Ben Zobrist on the Cubs, bringing his wife's smooth listening contemporary Christian stylings to the walkup music rotation, it's probably too crowded of a cheap cost-controlled talent picture next year to pay him what he's probably going to get. No?
With all of the guys the Cubs have that can play multiple positions for a lot less money, he seems unnecessary.
ETAed.
And a lot of his value was that he could play multiple infield positions well, which isn't really the case anymore (and will only get worse with him turning 35 next year). Ideally, he'd only be a left fielder this point and that's not going to be worth the contract he gets.
Hell, per fWAR Coghlan (3.2) has been better than Zobrist (2.7, albeit in 15 fewer games) anyway, and if Zobrist is just going to be a left fielder he's definitely not a clear upgrade over Coghlan, much as I loathe that guy's face for reasons I just can't even explain.
I actually wouldn't mind seeing Baez compete for SS with Russell in Mesa next year. I think he has a better arm. Russell's a nifty fielder, but I think he may be a 2B if you've got Baez around hitting like a big leaguer. That frees up 3B for Bryant. Re-sign Dexter, please.
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As much as I would love having Ben Zobrist on the Cubs, bringing his wife's smooth listening contemporary Christian stylings to the walkup music rotation, it's probably too crowded of a cheap cost-controlled talent picture next year to pay him what he's probably going to get. No?
With all of the guys the Cubs have that can play multiple positions for a lot less money, he seems unnecessary.
ETAed.
And a lot of his value was that he could play multiple infield positions well, which isn't really the case anymore (and will only get worse with him turning 35 next year). Ideally, he'd only be a left fielder this point and that's not going to be worth the contract he gets.
Hell, per fWAR Coghlan (3.2) has been better than Zobrist (2.7, albeit in 15 fewer games) anyway, and if Zobrist is just going to be a left fielder he's definitely not a clear upgrade over Coghlan, much as I loathe that guy's face for reasons I just can't even explain.
Not to mention, Schwarber will get most of the playing time in LF next season anyway.
I'm hoping Coghlan starts getting a few games at 1B. Rizzo can't keep trying to do this Iron Man shit.
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Quote from: R-V on September 16, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.
2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C Montero/Ross *
* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)
Coghlan in an un-platooned role at second base? Have you gone mad?
That spitballed lineup just includes guys already in the organization (hence the footnotes at the bottom of the post). No, I don't think Coghlan could handle 2B on an everyday basis, but given what he's done offensively since joining the Cubs (and it's now about a 900 PA sample so it's safe to say it's not a fluke), and that he's under control for another year at a low cost, they've got to figure out a way to get him another 400 plate appearances next year.
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Quote from: PANK! on September 16, 2015, 04:47:04 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 16, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.
2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C Montero/Ross *
* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)
Coghlan in an un-platooned role at second base? Have you gone mad?
That spitballed lineup just includes guys already in the organization (hence the footnotes at the bottom of the post). No, I don't think Coghlan could handle 2B on an everyday basis, but given what he's done offensively since joining the Cubs (and it's now about a 900 PA sample so it's safe to say it's not a fluke), and that he's under control for another year at a low cost, they've got to figure out a way to get him another 400 plate appearances next year.
No they don't. If he gets that many, it won't kill them but I don't think the goal should be to head into 2016 thinking that way about Coghlan. If they can, they should upgrade.
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Quote from: R-V on September 17, 2015, 08:56:22 AM
Quote from: PANK! on September 16, 2015, 04:47:04 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 16, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.
2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C Montero/Ross *
* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)
Coghlan in an un-platooned role at second base? Have you gone mad?
That spitballed lineup just includes guys already in the organization (hence the footnotes at the bottom of the post). No, I don't think Coghlan could handle 2B on an everyday basis, but given what he's done offensively since joining the Cubs (and it's now about a 900 PA sample so it's safe to say it's not a fluke), and that he's under control for another year at a low cost, they've got to figure out a way to get him another 400 plate appearances next year.
No they don't. If he gets that many, it won't kill them but I don't think the goal should be to head into 2016 thinking that way about Coghlan. If they can, they should upgrade.
Yeah, that's the goal and I would love for them to upgrade. But if we're dealing with finite resources here, and given how cheap he's going to be for another year, I'd rather spend those resources on upgrading the rotation and the bullpen, and on center field if they can't keep Fowler.
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Quote from: R-V on September 16, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.
2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C Montero/Ross *
* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)
Coghlan in an un-platooned role at second base? Have you gone mad?
That spitballed lineup just includes guys already in the organization (hence the footnotes at the bottom of the post). No, I don't think Coghlan could handle 2B on an everyday basis, but given what he's done offensively since joining the Cubs (and it's now about a 900 PA sample so it's safe to say it's not a fluke), and that he's under control for another year at a low cost, they've got to figure out a way to get him another 400 plate appearances next year.
No they don't. If he gets that many, it won't kill them but I don't think the goal should be to head into 2016 thinking that way about Coghlan. If they can, they should upgrade.
Yeah, that's the goal and I would love for them to upgrade. But if we're dealing with finite resources here, and given how cheap he's going to be for another year, I'd rather spend those resources on upgrading the rotation and the bullpen, and on center field if they can't keep Fowler.
I would agree with that if they do in fact have finite resources that limit their scope to one position. That's something we don't know. Gordo tells us they're broke so...
Quote from: R-V on September 17, 2015, 09:24:20 AM
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Quote from: R-V on September 17, 2015, 08:56:22 AM
Quote from: PANK! on September 16, 2015, 04:47:04 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 16, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.
2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C Montero/Ross *
* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)
Coghlan in an un-platooned role at second base? Have you gone mad?
That spitballed lineup just includes guys already in the organization (hence the footnotes at the bottom of the post). No, I don't think Coghlan could handle 2B on an everyday basis, but given what he's done offensively since joining the Cubs (and it's now about a 900 PA sample so it's safe to say it's not a fluke), and that he's under control for another year at a low cost, they've got to figure out a way to get him another 400 plate appearances next year.
No they don't. If he gets that many, it won't kill them but I don't think the goal should be to head into 2016 thinking that way about Coghlan. If they can, they should upgrade.
Yeah, that's the goal and I would love for them to upgrade. But if we're dealing with finite resources here, and given how cheap he's going to be for another year, I'd rather spend those resources on upgrading the rotation and the bullpen, and on center field if they can't keep Fowler.
Is there any consensus on Jason Heyward handling center field on a regular basis? He's obviously all-world in RF and has played some CF in the past. I wonder if he could be passable there for a few years until there's a replacement, then just shift to a corner for the rest of his contract.*
* which will be huge, granted, but probably worth it
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Quote from: PANK! on September 16, 2015, 04:47:04 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 16, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.
2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C Montero/Ross *
* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)
Coghlan in an un-platooned role at second base? Have you gone mad?
That spitballed lineup just includes guys already in the organization (hence the footnotes at the bottom of the post). No, I don't think Coghlan could handle 2B on an everyday basis, but given what he's done offensively since joining the Cubs (and it's now about a 900 PA sample so it's safe to say it's not a fluke), and that he's under control for another year at a low cost, they've got to figure out a way to get him another 400 plate appearances next year.
No they don't. If he gets that many, it won't kill them but I don't think the goal should be to head into 2016 thinking that way about Coghlan. If they can, they should upgrade.
Yeah, that's the goal and I would love for them to upgrade. But if we're dealing with finite resources here, and given how cheap he's going to be for another year, I'd rather spend those resources on upgrading the rotation and the bullpen, and on center field if they can't keep Fowler.
I would agree with that if they do in fact have finite resources that limit their scope to one position. That's something we don't know. Gordo tells us they're broke so...
I suspect this offseason is going to be interesting and at least one guy currently on the team is going to be traded. I suspect that guy is not going to be Rizzo, Bryant, Russell, or Schwarber. That guy might be Castro (increasingly likely), Baez (increasingly less likely), or Coghlan who would understandably appeal to another contender looking for a quick fix in the outfield for a year.
Either way I'm content to just enjoy this team as it is right now and the fact that it went from a team so thin it started Junior Lake and Johnny Buckets multiple times to having depth seemingly everywhere and let those surpluses work themselves out at a later date.
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Quote from: PANK! on September 16, 2015, 04:47:04 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 16, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.
2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C Montero/Ross *
* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)
Coghlan in an un-platooned role at second base? Have you gone mad?
That spitballed lineup just includes guys already in the organization (hence the footnotes at the bottom of the post). No, I don't think Coghlan could handle 2B on an everyday basis, but given what he's done offensively since joining the Cubs (and it's now about a 900 PA sample so it's safe to say it's not a fluke), and that he's under control for another year at a low cost, they've got to figure out a way to get him another 400 plate appearances next year.
No they don't. If he gets that many, it won't kill them but I don't think the goal should be to head into 2016 thinking that way about Coghlan. If they can, they should upgrade.
Yeah, that's the goal and I would love for them to upgrade. But if we're dealing with finite resources here, and given how cheap he's going to be for another year, I'd rather spend those resources on upgrading the rotation and the bullpen, and on center field if they can't keep Fowler.
Is there any consensus on Jason Heyward handling center field on a regular basis? He's obviously all-world in RF and has played some CF in the past. I wonder if he could be passable there for a few years until there's a replacement, then just shift to a corner for the rest of his contract.*
* which will be huge, granted, but probably worth it
DPD, but I don't know about this. Heyward derives so much of his value by being a league averageish bat with all world defense in right field. If he moves over to CF and has merely good defense and okay offense there is he going to be worth the money?
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Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.
2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C Montero/Ross *
* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)
Coghlan in an un-platooned role at second base? Have you gone mad?
That spitballed lineup just includes guys already in the organization (hence the footnotes at the bottom of the post). No, I don't think Coghlan could handle 2B on an everyday basis, but given what he's done offensively since joining the Cubs (and it's now about a 900 PA sample so it's safe to say it's not a fluke), and that he's under control for another year at a low cost, they've got to figure out a way to get him another 400 plate appearances next year.
No they don't. If he gets that many, it won't kill them but I don't think the goal should be to head into 2016 thinking that way about Coghlan. If they can, they should upgrade.
Yeah, that's the goal and I would love for them to upgrade. But if we're dealing with finite resources here, and given how cheap he's going to be for another year, I'd rather spend those resources on upgrading the rotation and the bullpen, and on center field if they can't keep Fowler.
I would agree with that if they do in fact have finite resources that limit their scope to one position. That's something we don't know. Gordo tells us they're broke so...
I suspect this offseason is going to be interesting and at least one guy currently on the team is going to be traded. I suspect that guy is not going to be Rizzo, Bryant, Russell, or Schwarber. That guy might be Castro (increasingly likely), Baez (increasingly less likely), or Coghlan who would understandably appeal to another contender looking for a quick fix in the outfield for a year.
Either way I'm content to just enjoy this team as it is right now and the fact that it went from a team so thin it started Junior Lake and Johnny Buckets multiple times to having depth seemingly everywhere and let those surpluses work themselves out at a later date.
I was just wondering myself why I'm already thinking ahead to next year when we've got a fun as hell team to watch this year.
I think it's because I'm already shitting my pants about the coin flip game, and this is one way to distract myself from the stench emanating from my drawers.
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Quote from: R-V on September 17, 2015, 08:56:22 AM
Quote from: PANK! on September 16, 2015, 04:47:04 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 16, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.
2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C Montero/Ross *
* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)
Coghlan in an un-platooned role at second base? Have you gone mad?
That spitballed lineup just includes guys already in the organization (hence the footnotes at the bottom of the post). No, I don't think Coghlan could handle 2B on an everyday basis, but given what he's done offensively since joining the Cubs (and it's now about a 900 PA sample so it's safe to say it's not a fluke), and that he's under control for another year at a low cost, they've got to figure out a way to get him another 400 plate appearances next year.
No they don't. If he gets that many, it won't kill them but I don't think the goal should be to head into 2016 thinking that way about Coghlan. If they can, they should upgrade.
Yeah, that's the goal and I would love for them to upgrade. But if we're dealing with finite resources here, and given how cheap he's going to be for another year, I'd rather spend those resources on upgrading the rotation and the bullpen, and on center field if they can't keep Fowler.
I would agree with that if they do in fact have finite resources that limit their scope to one position. That's something we don't know. Gordo tells us they're broke so...
I suspect this offseason is going to be interesting and at least one guy currently on the team is going to be traded. I suspect that guy is not going to be Rizzo, Bryant, Russell, or Schwarber. That guy might be Castro (increasingly likely), Baez (increasingly less likely), or Coghlan who would understandably appeal to another contender looking for a quick fix in the outfield for a year.
Either way I'm content to just enjoy this team as it is right now and the fact that it went from a team so thin it started Junior Lake and Johnny Buckets multiple times to having depth seemingly everywhere and let those surpluses work themselves out at a later date.
I was just wondering myself why I'm already thinking ahead to next year when we've got a fun as hell team to watch this year.
I think it's because I'm already shitting my pants about the coin flip game, and this is one way to distract myself from the stench emanating from my drawers.
Looking forward is part of the fun with this team. They're this good now, but they are going to get better. That's why the front of my skivvies are messy rather than the back.
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 09:36:18 AM
DPD, but I don't know about this. Heyward derives so much of his value by being a league averageish bat with all world defense in right field. If he moves over to CF and has merely good defense and okay offense there is he going to be worth the money?
Depends, of course. But his offense would play much better in CF, so it might be a wash.
And if we're guessing on possible trade candidates to be shipped out, my bet would be on Soler if we had to choose someone. Which we don't. But it's a message board, so hey.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 17, 2015, 08:51:45 AM
I actually wouldn't mind seeing Baez compete for SS with Russell in Mesa next year. I think he has a better arm. Russell's a nifty fielder, but I think he may be a 2B if you've got Baez around hitting like a big leaguer. That frees up 3B for Bryant. Re-sign Dexter, please.
If Baez gets any fatter, he'll be able to play SS
and 2B.
Quote from: Eli on September 17, 2015, 10:30:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 09:36:18 AM
DPD, but I don't know about this. Heyward derives so much of his value by being a league averageish bat with all world defense in right field. If he moves over to CF and has merely good defense and okay offense there is he going to be worth the money?
Depends, of course. But his offense would play much better in CF, so it might be a wash.
And if we're guessing on possible trade candidates to be shipped out, my bet would be on Soler if we had to choose someone. Which we don't. But it's a message board, so hey.
Georgie's back today. Hoping he's full strength and then some. If he finds a power stroke down the stretch I'm just going to stop wearing clothes. (ll)
Quote from: Eli on September 17, 2015, 10:30:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 09:36:18 AM
DPD, but I don't know about this. Heyward derives so much of his value by being a league averageish bat with all world defense in right field. If he moves over to CF and has merely good defense and okay offense there is he going to be worth the money?
Depends, of course. But his offense would play much better in CF, so it might be a wash.
And if we're guessing on possible trade candidates to be shipped out, my bet would be on Soler if we had to choose someone. Which we don't. But it's a message board, so hey.
Yeah, the nice thing about all this is the Cubs can easily address their biggest needs right now (another starting pitcher or two and some extra bullpen help) in free agency and not have to trade anybody, but they also have enough of an idea at what they've got in the system and what those guys look like at the major league level to allow them to properly assess who is expendable in a trade if that's the route they want to go.
I'm willing to bet they'd still like to move Castro if his August/September resurgence has rebuilt his value, but if they're stuck keeping him a Castro/LaStella platoon at second with Javy at 3rd and Bryant in the OF, leaving Jorge as a top notch trade chip, isn't an awful situation to be in.
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Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 09:36:18 AM
DPD, but I don't know about this. Heyward derives so much of his value by being a league averageish bat with all world defense in right field. If he moves over to CF and has merely good defense and okay offense there is he going to be worth the money?
Depends, of course. But his offense would play much better in CF, so it might be a wash.
And if we're guessing on possible trade candidates to be shipped out, my bet would be on Soler if we had to choose someone. Which we don't. But it's a message board, so hey.
Georgie's back today. Hoping he's full strength and then some. If he finds a power stroke down the stretch I'm just going to stop wearing clothes. (ll)
This is one of the huge advantages of working from home all the time. I just sit around naked watching Cubs' games.
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 10:35:56 AM
Yeah, the nice thing about all this is the Cubs can easily address their biggest needs right now (another starting pitcher or two and some extra bullpen help) in free agency and not have to trade anybody, but they also have enough of an idea at what they've got in the system and what those guys look like at the major league level to allow them to properly assess who is expendable in a trade if that's the route they want to go.
I still think there's a good chance that we see some sort of surprise trade this winter (Carrasco, Ross, King Felix in a longshot) rather than a huge FA pitcher signing. They have the player depth for it and giving some of that up might be preferable to having another over-30 pitcher making more than $150MM.
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Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 10:35:56 AM
Yeah, the nice thing about all this is the Cubs can easily address their biggest needs right now (another starting pitcher or two and some extra bullpen help) in free agency and not have to trade anybody, but they also have enough of an idea at what they've got in the system and what those guys look like at the major league level to allow them to properly assess who is expendable in a trade if that's the route they want to go.
I still think there's a good chance that we see some sort of surprise trade this winter (Carrasco, Ross, King Felix in a longshot) rather than a huge FA pitcher signing. They have the player depth for it and giving some of that up might be preferable to having another over-30 pitcher making more than $150MM.
I think a trade is very possible, too, and might even be preferable. I'd like to believe that they have the financial resources to keep either option open, however.
Since July 31st guys like Castro and Baez have raised their stock, Soler has become potentially expendable due to Bryant's play in the OF and Baez playing at 3B, and then in the minors you still have completely expendable assets like McKinney and Gleyber and Contreras, since catchers who can hit are always in demand. The Cubs should be in a much better negotiating place, tradewise, than they were at the deadline, and people always say winter prices are lower than July prices anyway.
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Quote from: Eli on September 17, 2015, 10:44:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 10:35:56 AM
Yeah, the nice thing about all this is the Cubs can easily address their biggest needs right now (another starting pitcher or two and some extra bullpen help) in free agency and not have to trade anybody, but they also have enough of an idea at what they've got in the system and what those guys look like at the major league level to allow them to properly assess who is expendable in a trade if that's the route they want to go.
I still think there's a good chance that we see some sort of surprise trade this winter (Carrasco, Ross, King Felix in a longshot) rather than a huge FA pitcher signing. They have the player depth for it and giving some of that up might be preferable to having another over-30 pitcher making more than $150MM.
I think a trade is very possible, too, and might even be preferable. I'd like to believe that they have the financial resources to keep either option open, however.
Since July 31st guys like Castro and Baez have raised their stock, Soler has become potentially expendable due to Bryant's play in the OF and Baez playing at 3B, and then in the minors you still have completely expendable assets like McKinney and Gleyber and Contreras, since catchers who can hit are always in demand. The Cubs should be in a much better negotiating place, tradewise, than they were at the deadline, and people always say winter prices are lower than July prices anyway.
You fucking people.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 21, 2015, 02:27:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 11:01:00 AM
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Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 10:35:56 AM
Yeah, the nice thing about all this is the Cubs can easily address their biggest needs right now (another starting pitcher or two and some extra bullpen help) in free agency and not have to trade anybody, but they also have enough of an idea at what they've got in the system and what those guys look like at the major league level to allow them to properly assess who is expendable in a trade if that's the route they want to go.
I still think there's a good chance that we see some sort of surprise trade this winter (Carrasco, Ross, King Felix in a longshot) rather than a huge FA pitcher signing. They have the player depth for it and giving some of that up might be preferable to having another over-30 pitcher making more than $150MM.
I think a trade is very possible, too, and might even be preferable. I'd like to believe that they have the financial resources to keep either option open, however.
Since July 31st guys like Castro and Baez have raised their stock, Soler has become potentially expendable due to Bryant's play in the OF and Baez playing at 3B, and then in the minors you still have completely expendable assets like McKinney and Gleyber and Contreras, since catchers who can hit are always in demand. The Cubs should be in a much better negotiating place, tradewise, than they were at the deadline, and people always say winter prices are lower than July prices anyway.
You fucking people.
We had to do something to get you back here.
Quote from: Eli on September 21, 2015, 02:30:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 21, 2015, 02:27:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 11:01:00 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 17, 2015, 10:44:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 10:35:56 AM
Yeah, the nice thing about all this is the Cubs can easily address their biggest needs right now (another starting pitcher or two and some extra bullpen help) in free agency and not have to trade anybody, but they also have enough of an idea at what they've got in the system and what those guys look like at the major league level to allow them to properly assess who is expendable in a trade if that's the route they want to go.
I still think there's a good chance that we see some sort of surprise trade this winter (Carrasco, Ross, King Felix in a longshot) rather than a huge FA pitcher signing. They have the player depth for it and giving some of that up might be preferable to having another over-30 pitcher making more than $150MM.
I think a trade is very possible, too, and might even be preferable. I'd like to believe that they have the financial resources to keep either option open, however.
Since July 31st guys like Castro and Baez have raised their stock, Soler has become potentially expendable due to Bryant's play in the OF and Baez playing at 3B, and then in the minors you still have completely expendable assets like McKinney and Gleyber and Contreras, since catchers who can hit are always in demand. The Cubs should be in a much better negotiating place, tradewise, than they were at the deadline, and people always say winter prices are lower than July prices anyway.
You fucking people.
We had to do something to get you back here.
I was in a meeting.
A couple awful ABs from our guy Javy today but I'm still looking forward to mammoth October dongs.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 01, 2015, 02:09:33 PM
A couple awful ABs from our guy Javy today but I'm still looking forward to mammoth October dongs.
He's 2-4 with a double. That's how you choose to lead off a post in the man's splooge thread? For shame.
Quote from: SKO on October 01, 2015, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 01, 2015, 02:09:33 PM
A couple awful ABs from our guy Javy today but I'm still looking forward to mammoth October dongs.
He's 2-4 with a double. That's how you choose to lead off a post in the man's splooge thread? For shame.
I am starting to have serious doubts that Sterling Archer will ever amount to much.
Quote from: SKO on October 01, 2015, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 01, 2015, 02:09:33 PM
A couple awful ABs from our guy Javy today but I'm still looking forward to mammoth October dongs.
He's 2-4 with a double. That's how you choose to lead off a post in the man's splooge thread? For shame.
Really strange.
Quote from: Slaky on October 01, 2015, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 01, 2015, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 01, 2015, 02:09:33 PM
A couple awful ABs from our guy Javy today but I'm still looking forward to mammoth October dongs.
He's 2-4 with a double. That's how you choose to lead off a post in the man's splooge thread? For shame.
Really strange.
That one's on me. I'm half-watching at work and only saw the strikeouts.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 01, 2015, 02:24:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 01, 2015, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 01, 2015, 02:09:33 PM
A couple awful ABs from our guy Javy today but I'm still looking forward to mammoth October dongs.
He's 2-4 with a double. That's how you choose to lead off a post in the man's splooge thread? For shame.
I am starting to have serious doubts that Sterling Archer will ever amount to much.
(http://i.imgur.com/wsuZbS9.png)
Quote from: PenFoe on October 01, 2015, 03:38:14 PM
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Quote from: SKO on October 01, 2015, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 01, 2015, 02:09:33 PM
A couple awful ABs from our guy Javy today but I'm still looking forward to mammoth October dongs.
He's 2-4 with a double. That's how you choose to lead off a post in the man's splooge thread? For shame.
I am starting to have serious doubts that Sterling Archer will ever amount to much.
(http://i.imgur.com/wsuZbS9.png)
The bar's been set so high by Internet Chuck, I can't see how I'll amount to much either.
SPLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGE!
Quote from: ChuckD on October 13, 2015, 04:16:22 PM
SPLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGE!
TOO MANY SHORTSTOPS
Tonk will be happy to know Gary Jones handed him a sandwich as he rounded third.
That was the best Cubs at bat I've ever seen. Better than Dunston's two homer game against the Cards in 1989. And it's not even close!
And yeah. I mean I compared one at bats to two at bats. But that's how fucking great it was. Lackey's nose is awesome.
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 13, 2015, 09:01:39 PM
And yeah. I mean I compared one at bats to two at bats. But that's how fucking great it was. Lackey's nose is awesome.
Shut up, Paul. You're a douche.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 14, 2015, 08:59:50 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 13, 2015, 09:01:39 PM
And yeah. I mean I compared one at bats to two at bats. But that's how fucking great it was. Lackey's nose is awesome.
Shut up, Paul. You're a douche.
No, Chuck
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 14, 2015, 08:59:50 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 13, 2015, 09:01:39 PM
And yeah. I mean I compared one at bats to two at bats. But that's how fucking great it was. Lackey's nose is awesome.
Shut up, Paul. You're a douche.
I'm happy this is still in the rotation!
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 13, 2015, 09:00:36 PM
That was the best Cubs at bat I've ever seen. Better than Dunston's two homer game against the Cards in 1989. And it's not even close!
Sandberg (twice), Vance Law and Mitch Webster went deep that day, too. So, anyone could do it that day.
So, yeah. This was better.
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
Yes, you're nuts.
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I don't think they'll sell low on Baez or Castro but I'm pretty sure they'll get a deal they like this offseason that involves moving one or the other. If they don't, cool, Javy the Super Sub sounds fun too.
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
It's still strange for me to think of Starlin as a part of this team going forward - I mentally parted ways with him once they installed Addison as the every day SS. I'm not saying they *should* get rid of him, I'm just still getting used to the idea that he might stick around.
But as for your question - I think Russell is the key here. He's been injured in each of the last two seasons now, so I worry about his ability to stay in the lineup. If he's hurt and Baez is gone, we're back to Starlin and his (barely) average defense at SS as a backup plan. I'll sit back and wait for PenFoe to tell me that Gleyber will be ready for a midseason callup next year.
Quote from: R-V on November 03, 2015, 09:21:07 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
It's still strange for me to think of Starlin as a part of this team going forward - I mentally parted ways with him once they installed Addison as the every day SS. I'm not saying they *should* get rid of him, I'm just still getting used to the idea that he might stick around.
But as for your question - I think Russell is the key here. He's been injured in each of the last two seasons now, so I worry about his ability to stay in the lineup. If he's hurt and Baez is gone, we're back to Starlin and his (barely) average defense at SS as a backup plan. I'll sit back and wait for PenFoe to tell me that Gleyber will be ready for a midseason callup next year.
This hardly seems fair. He played a full season this year, his first full professional season given how quickly he shot up through the minors, and he supposedly would have been available for the World Series if they'd have gotten past the Mets. A one week injury in a seven month season is not concerning to me. I don't think there's anywhere near enough evidence to paint him as injury prone.
Quote from: SKO on November 03, 2015, 09:20:49 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I don't think they'll sell low on Baez or Castro but I'm pretty sure they'll get a deal they like this offseason that involves moving one or the other. If they don't, cool, Javy the Super Sub sounds fun too.
If people in baseball are still stupid enough to hire Dusty Baker, there's someone out there willing to pay a good price for the cost controlled Castro or Baez.
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
We saw this year that Maddon loves having guys who can play multiple positions, and Baez is an attractive option for not only injury insurance, but double-switching.
On a related note, one thing I know Joe is going to beg Jepstink for this winter is someone who can play 20 games or so at first base without spiking himself.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 03, 2015, 09:54:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 03, 2015, 09:20:49 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I don't think they'll sell low on Baez or Castro but I'm pretty sure they'll get a deal they like this offseason that involves moving one or the other. If they don't, cool, Javy the Super Sub sounds fun too.
If people in baseball are still stupid enough to hire Dusty Baker, there's someone out there willing to pay a good price for the cost controlled Castro or Baez.
I mean total offense when I say your opinion on Baez means less than nothing to me.
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 03, 2015, 09:54:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 03, 2015, 09:20:49 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I don't think they'll sell low on Baez or Castro but I'm pretty sure they'll get a deal they like this offseason that involves moving one or the other. If they don't, cool, Javy the Super Sub sounds fun too.
If people in baseball are still stupid enough to hire Dusty Baker, there's someone out there willing to pay a good price for the cost controlled Castro or Baez.
I mean total offense when I say your opinion on Baez means less than nothing to me.
How can you say that when Chuck has given us such gems as "Baez has no trade value whatsoever- July 2015" and "the Cubs just need to eat Castro's deal and trade him for James Shields"
Quote from: SKO on November 03, 2015, 11:52:15 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 03, 2015, 09:54:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 03, 2015, 09:20:49 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I don't think they'll sell low on Baez or Castro but I'm pretty sure they'll get a deal they like this offseason that involves moving one or the other. If they don't, cool, Javy the Super Sub sounds fun too.
If people in baseball are still stupid enough to hire Dusty Baker, there's someone out there willing to pay a good price for the cost controlled Castro or Baez.
I mean total offense when I say your opinion on Baez means less than nothing to me.
How can you say that when Chuck has given us such gems as "Baez has no trade value whatsoever- July 2015" and "the Cubs just need to eat Castro's deal and trade him for James Shields"
22 year old MI with 35 home run power grow on trees, idotio.
Chuck was ready to trade Apple stock for Eastman Kodak in 2010.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 03, 2015, 10:45:50 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
We saw this year that Maddon loves having guys who can play multiple positions, and Baez is an attractive option for not only injury insurance, but double-switching.
On a related note, one thing I know Joe is going to beg Jepstink for this winter is someone who can play 20 games or so at first base without spiking himself.
I agree with Fork on this particular point. In the playoffs, I assumed Joe was not going to pull his wacky MI double-switch in the LCS because Russell was hurt but he simply kept doing it using LaStella who stinks.
Quote from: Oleg on November 03, 2015, 12:12:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 03, 2015, 11:52:15 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 03, 2015, 09:54:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 03, 2015, 09:20:49 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I don't think they'll sell low on Baez or Castro but I'm pretty sure they'll get a deal they like this offseason that involves moving one or the other. If they don't, cool, Javy the Super Sub sounds fun too.
If people in baseball are still stupid enough to hire Dusty Baker, there's someone out there willing to pay a good price for the cost controlled Castro or Baez.
I mean total offense when I say your opinion on Baez means less than nothing to me.
How can you say that when Chuck has given us such gems as "Baez has no trade value whatsoever- July 2015" and "the Cubs just need to eat Castro's deal and trade him for James Shields"
22 year old MI with 35 home run power grow on trees, idotio.
Chuck was ready to trade Apple stock for Eastman Kodak in 2010.
Fuck Kodak and their inferior product. I was an Ilford man.
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
Quote from: Shooter on November 03, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
Besides, why would Jepstink be in such a balls-out rush to move a guy they've invested so much time and effort into just for the sake of moving him? You've got your cheap replacement infielder, and trading should only be an option this time of year when they can't buy what they need at the price they want.
Quote from: Shooter on November 03, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: Shooter on November 03, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
Besides, why would Jepstink be in such a balls-out rush to move a guy they've invested so much time and effort into just for the sake of moving him? You've got your cheap replacement infielder, and trading should only be an option this time of year when they can't buy what they need at the price they want.
Oh hey, a strawman.
Who is proposing getting rid of Javy just for funsies or because of the mythical middle infield surplus, really? I think most people think the Cubs are probably going to trade for a quality starting pitcher and will have to give up one of their young bats to do so. Javy just makes the most sense out of that group. Nobody's saying "get rid of him just to get rid of him", not even Chuck.
Quote from: Eli on November 04, 2015, 09:27:14 AM
Quote from: Shooter on November 03, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 09:27:55 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: Shooter on November 03, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
Besides, why would Jepstink be in such a balls-out rush to move a guy they've invested so much time and effort into just for the sake of moving him? You've got your cheap replacement infielder, and trading should only be an option this time of year when they can't buy what they need at the price they want.
Oh hey, a strawman.
Who is proposing getting rid of Javy just for funsies or because of the mythical middle infield surplus, really? I think most people think the Cubs are probably going to trade for a quality starting pitcher and will have to give up one of their young bats to do so. Javy just makes the most sense out of that group. Nobody's saying "get rid of him just to get rid of him", not even Chuck.
But why get rid of him at all? There seems to be a raging tradeboner in these parts that I simply cannot understand.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 10:28:12 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 09:27:55 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: Shooter on November 03, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
Besides, why would Jepstink be in such a balls-out rush to move a guy they've invested so much time and effort into just for the sake of moving him? You've got your cheap replacement infielder, and trading should only be an option this time of year when they can't buy what they need at the price they want.
Oh hey, a strawman.
Who is proposing getting rid of Javy just for funsies or because of the mythical middle infield surplus, really? I think most people think the Cubs are probably going to trade for a quality starting pitcher and will have to give up one of their young bats to do so. Javy just makes the most sense out of that group. Nobody's saying "get rid of him just to get rid of him", not even Chuck.
But why get rid of him at all? There seems to be a raging tradeboner in these parts that I simply cannot understand.
Because they need to not be pitching Kyle Hendricks and Jason Hammel in must-win games in the playoffs, and if Ricketts won't sign off on another massive contract to an over-30 pitcher, they're going to need to trade a position player with actual value to get a pitcher of actual value.
This is not rocket surgery.
Who is suggesting getting rid of ANY decent player except in the opportunity to get a player that increases the chances of winning more games? What unholy Chuckyellonfrodoggenmyer hybrid created by a madman to mock God on high would suggest that?
Quote from: Bort on November 04, 2015, 10:50:22 AM
Who is suggesting getting rid of ANY decent player except in the opportunity to get a player that increases the chances of winning more games? What unholy Chuckyellonfrodoggenmyer hybrid created by a madman to mock God on high would suggest that?
SKO
Quote from: Bort on November 04, 2015, 10:50:22 AM
Who is suggesting getting rid of ANY decent player except in the opportunity to get a player that increases the chances of winning more games? What unholy Chuckyellonfrodoggenmyer hybrid created by a madman to mock God on high would suggest that?
Exactly. For example, if signing Samardzija gives them the best chance to win, they have to make that move!
Quote from: Tony on November 04, 2015, 10:53:55 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 04, 2015, 10:50:22 AM
Who is suggesting getting rid of ANY decent player except in the opportunity to get a player that increases the chances of winning more games? What unholy Chuckyellonfrodoggenmyer hybrid created by a madman to mock God on high would suggest that?
Exactly. For example, if signing Samardzija gives them the best chance to win, they have to make that move!
That will never happen, because Snork is an overrated sack of hot garbage.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 10:28:12 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 09:27:55 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: Shooter on November 03, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
Besides, why would Jepstink be in such a balls-out rush to move a guy they've invested so much time and effort into just for the sake of moving him? You've got your cheap replacement infielder, and trading should only be an option this time of year when they can't buy what they need at the price they want.
Oh hey, a strawman.
Who is proposing getting rid of Javy just for funsies or because of the mythical middle infield surplus, really? I think most people think the Cubs are probably going to trade for a quality starting pitcher and will have to give up one of their young bats to do so. Javy just makes the most sense out of that group. Nobody's saying "get rid of him just to get rid of him", not even Chuck.
But why get rid of him at all? There seems to be a raging tradeboner in these parts that I simply cannot understand.
Like Bort said, phrasing it as "get rid of" implies something entirely different trading him to achieve a better value/roster construction.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 10:53:21 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 04, 2015, 10:50:22 AM
Who is suggesting getting rid of ANY decent player except in the opportunity to get a player that increases the chances of winning more games? What unholy Chuckyellonfrodoggenmyer hybrid created by a madman to mock God on high would suggest that?
SKO
No, Fork.
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 04, 2015, 09:27:14 AM
Quote from: Shooter on November 03, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
Quote from: Tony on November 04, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 04, 2015, 09:27:14 AM
Quote from: Shooter on November 03, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
One thousand times this. At some point every GM has to give something up to improve their team. There are a finite number of great players, and most people who have one under control aren't going to give them up without something worth gaining in return.
Quote from: Tony on November 04, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 04, 2015, 09:27:14 AM
Quote from: Shooter on November 03, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
I mean my preference is they sign David Price and we get to keep all our lovely toys. I am willing to accept that maybe they don't want 350+ million tied up in two aging arms, though, and that they may want to try and trade for a young, quality starting pitcher like Ross or Corrasco.
My first offer in that package wouldn't be Baez and I'm sure it won't be Jepstink's either. I'm sure they'll offer Gleyber and every other minor leaguer they've got and maybe Castro before they put Javy on the table, but if we're looking at Javy on the bench and a back of the rotation of Hendricks/Hammel and some second or third tier FA pitcher vs. trading Javy to get Ross or another #1/2 starter then there's no question you should move Javy.
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 11:06:18 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 04, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 04, 2015, 09:27:14 AM
Quote from: Shooter on November 03, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
I mean my preference is they sign David Price and we get to keep all our lovely toys. I am willing to accept that maybe they don't want 350+ million tied up in two aging arms, though, and that they may want to try and trade for a young, quality starting pitcher like Ross or Corrasco.
My first offer in that package wouldn't be Baez and I'm sure it won't be Jepstink's either. I'm sure they'll offer Gleyber and every other minor leaguer they've got and maybe Castro before they put Javy on the table, but if we're looking at Javy on the bench and a back of the rotation of Hendricks/Hammel and some second or third tier FA pitcher vs. trading Javy to get Ross or another #1/2 starter then there's no question you should move Javy.
I'm a little bewildered that something like this has to be explained around here in this much detail.
Quote from: Bort on November 04, 2015, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 04, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 04, 2015, 09:27:14 AM
Quote from: Shooter on November 03, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
One thousand times this. At some point every GM has to give something up to improve their team. There are a finite number of great players, and most people who have one under control aren't going to give them up without something worth gaining in return.
But for now, the thing the Cubs have they can give up most easily is money.
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Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
One thousand times this. At some point every GM has to give something up to improve their team. There are a finite number of great players, and most people who have one under control aren't going to give them up without something worth gaining in return.
But for now, the thing the Cubs have they can give up most easily is money.
Okay but what if they don't have the money you think they have or the willingness to spend it you think they do? What if they want to spend it on Jason Heyward and not on a 31 year old who might be totally useless by the last 3-4 years of their deal when they're probably already expecting the last few years of Lester's contract to be a bit of a drag? Do you deny they'd need to trade for starting pitching in that scenario or just consider starting pitching less useful than Javier Baez doing a Ben Zobrist impersonation?
I think it's worth noting that no pitcher ever signed to a 100+ million deal has stayed healthy for the duration (as far as I know, I'm willing to admit I might be mistaken). I think you have to expect time loss to injury, and after that, the inevitable decline. But it might just be the price of doing business, and at least those expensive arms are insured.
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Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
One thousand times this. At some point every GM has to give something up to improve their team. There are a finite number of great players, and most people who have one under control aren't going to give them up without something worth gaining in return.
But for now, the thing the Cubs have they can give up most easily is money.
Okay but what if they don't have the money you think they have or the willingness to spend it you think they do? What if they want to spend it on Jason Heyward and not on a 31 year old who might be totally useless by the last 3-4 years of their deal when they're probably already expecting the last few years of Lester's contract to be a bit of a drag? Do you deny they'd need to trade for starting pitching in that scenario or just consider starting pitching less useful than Javier Baez doing a Ben Zobrist impersonation?
The thing about Lester is that it takes him an inning to settle down. He gives up 2 to 4 runs in the first inning and then shuts them down until he is taken out in the 5th for a pinch hitter. If they could let him pitch that first inning as a simulated inning in the bullpen and then bring him in for the second inning he'd win 25 games a season.
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Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
One thousand times this. At some point every GM has to give something up to improve their team. There are a finite number of great players, and most people who have one under control aren't going to give them up without something worth gaining in return.
But for now, the thing the Cubs have they can give up most easily is money.
We don't really know that though. And even if it's true, they're not going to just hand out a giant nine-figure contract to a pitcher if there's a more efficient way for them to fill that need.
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Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
I mean my preference is they sign David Price and we get to keep all our lovely toys. I am willing to accept that maybe they don't want 350+ million tied up in two aging arms, though, and that they may want to try and trade for a young, quality starting pitcher like Ross or Corrasco.
My first offer in that package wouldn't be Baez and I'm sure it won't be Jepstink's either. I'm sure they'll offer Gleyber and every other minor leaguer they've got and maybe Castro before they put Javy on the table, but if we're looking at Javy on the bench and a back of the rotation of Hendricks/Hammel and some second or third tier FA pitcher vs. trading Javy to get Ross or another #1/2 starter then there's no question you should move Javy.
I'm a little bewildered that something like this has to be explained around here in this much detail.
It's kind of his thing.
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Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
I mean my preference is they sign David Price and we get to keep all our lovely toys. I am willing to accept that maybe they don't want 350+ million tied up in two aging arms, though, and that they may want to try and trade for a young, quality starting pitcher like Ross or Corrasco.
My first offer in that package wouldn't be Baez and I'm sure it won't be Jepstink's either. I'm sure they'll offer Gleyber and every other minor leaguer they've got and maybe Castro before they put Javy on the table, but if we're looking at Javy on the bench and a back of the rotation of Hendricks/Hammel and some second or third tier FA pitcher vs. trading Javy to get Ross or another #1/2 starter then there's no question you should move Javy.
I'm a little bewildered that something like this has to be explained around here in this much detail.
It's kind of his thing.
Do you mean SKO over-explaining or Fork Forking?
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Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
I mean my preference is they sign David Price and we get to keep all our lovely toys. I am willing to accept that maybe they don't want 350+ million tied up in two aging arms, though, and that they may want to try and trade for a young, quality starting pitcher like Ross or Corrasco.
My first offer in that package wouldn't be Baez and I'm sure it won't be Jepstink's either. I'm sure they'll offer Gleyber and every other minor leaguer they've got and maybe Castro before they put Javy on the table, but if we're looking at Javy on the bench and a back of the rotation of Hendricks/Hammel and some second or third tier FA pitcher vs. trading Javy to get Ross or another #1/2 starter then there's no question you should move Javy.
I'm a little bewildered that something like this has to be explained around here in this much detail.
It's kind of his thing.
Do you mean SKO over-explaining or Fork Forking?
Probably both and he's not wrong. I should learn to not respond to Fork's "every prospect is unbeliveably awesome and the Cubs have more money than God and they'll just perpetually add whoever they want while losing nobody and we all need to get fitted for our extra medium championship tees now" act, but I mean, it took me five years to stop responding to Cutler trolls. I'm a slow learner.
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Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
One thousand times this. At some point every GM has to give something up to improve their team. There are a finite number of great players, and most people who have one under control aren't going to give them up without something worth gaining in return.
But for now, the thing the Cubs have they can give up most easily is money.
Okay but what if they don't have the money you think they have or the willingness to spend it you think they do? What if they want to spend it on Jason Heyward and not on a 31 year old who might be totally useless by the last 3-4 years of their deal when they're probably already expecting the last few years of Lester's contract to be a bit of a drag? Do you deny they'd need to trade for starting pitching in that scenario or just consider starting pitching less useful than Javier Baez doing a Ben Zobrist impersonation?
Of course not. I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it. But as has been pointed out here and in other places, the Cubs are, what, 3 years from having the ability to launch their own broadcast channel/network? So any pain point from paying fossils 25 mildo/per/each would be more easily absorbed at that point. So as things stand now and in the future, using money instead of sending players is less of a pain point.
As far as the Ricketts family's money and willingness to spend? After the cheddar they threw at Lester, and the success they had this season with both ticket and broadcast/advertising revenue? I'd say the purse strings are probably pretty damn loose.
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Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
One thousand times this. At some point every GM has to give something up to improve their team. There are a finite number of great players, and most people who have one under control aren't going to give them up without something worth gaining in return.
But for now, the thing the Cubs have they can give up most easily is money.
Okay but what if they don't have the money you think they have or the willingness to spend it you think they do? What if they want to spend it on Jason Heyward and not on a 31 year old who might be totally useless by the last 3-4 years of their deal when they're probably already expecting the last few years of Lester's contract to be a bit of a drag? Do you deny they'd need to trade for starting pitching in that scenario or just consider starting pitching less useful than Javier Baez doing a Ben Zobrist impersonation?
Of course not. I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it. But as has been pointed out here and in other places, the Cubs are, what, 3 years from having the ability to launch their own broadcast channel/network? So any pain point from paying fossils 25 mildo/per/each would be more easily absorbed at that point. So as things stand now and in the future, using money instead of sending players is less of a pain point.
As far as the Ricketts family's money and willingness to spend? After the cheddar they threw at Lester, and the success they had this season with both ticket and broadcast/advertising revenue? I'd say the purse strings are probably pretty damn loose.
There is a reason that Jon Lester isn't a Dodger. There's a reason Zack Greinke may not be a Dodger next year. Even teams with seemingly limitless finances will sometimes balk at making a potentially bad investment. You have no realistic idea what Ricketts is willing to spend this offseason. All anyone is asking is that you consider that he might not be willing to pay what you think he is willing to pay, and if so, trading Baez for pitching makes
a lot of goddamn sense.
How many days until Opening Day again?
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Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
One thousand times this. At some point every GM has to give something up to improve their team. There are a finite number of great players, and most people who have one under control aren't going to give them up without something worth gaining in return.
But for now, the thing the Cubs have they can give up most easily is money.
Okay but what if they don't have the money you think they have or the willingness to spend it you think they do? What if they want to spend it on Jason Heyward and not on a 31 year old who might be totally useless by the last 3-4 years of their deal when they're probably already expecting the last few years of Lester's contract to be a bit of a drag? Do you deny they'd need to trade for starting pitching in that scenario or just consider starting pitching less useful than Javier Baez doing a Ben Zobrist impersonation?
Of course not. I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it. But as has been pointed out here and in other places, the Cubs are, what, 3 years from having the ability to launch their own broadcast channel/network? So any pain point from paying fossils 25 mildo/per/each would be more easily absorbed at that point. So as things stand now and in the future, using money instead of sending players is less of a pain point.
As far as the Ricketts family's money and willingness to spend? After the cheddar they threw at Lester, and the success they had this season with both ticket and broadcast/advertising revenue? I'd say the purse strings are probably pretty damn loose.
There is a reason that Jon Lester isn't a Dodger. There's a reason Zack Greinke may not be a Dodger next year. Even teams with seemingly limitless finances will sometimes balk at making a potentially bad investment. You have no realistic idea what Ricketts is willing to spend this offseason. All anyone is asking is that you consider that he might not be willing to pay what you think he is willing to pay, and if so, trading Baez for pitching makes a lot of goddamn sense.
What part of "I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it." is so difficult to comprehend?
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
What part of "I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it." is so difficult to comprehend?
The part where you immediately undercut it by balking at every trade proposed by anyone in the last two years.
Quote from: PANK! on November 04, 2015, 01:17:00 PMHow many days until Opening Day again?
I younger this thread might be tough sledding until some actual transactions occur.
Quote from: R-V on November 04, 2015, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 04, 2015, 01:17:00 PMHow many days until Opening Day again?
I younger this thread might be tough sledding until some actual transactions occur.
Shit...we're still a month away from the winter meetings.
Quote from: R-V on November 04, 2015, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 04, 2015, 01:17:00 PMHow many days until Opening Day again?
I younger this thread might be tough sledding until some actual transactions occur.
If that's how younger about it, I agree!
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
What part of "I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it." is so difficult to comprehend?
The part where you immediately undercut it by balking at every trade proposed by anyone in the last two years.
How is saying "here is the most painless way of doing it" the same as "this is the only way it should be done"? You must be a fucking blast in meetings.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
What part of "I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it." is so difficult to comprehend?
The part where you immediately undercut it by balking at every trade proposed by anyone in the last two years.
How is saying "here is the most painless way of doing it" the same as "this is the only way it should be done"? You must be a fucking blast in meetings.
Because your response is basically no longer required when it comes to any trade discussion on the board. We all know you'd rather they just buy players in free agency. Cool. Awesome. Thanks for playing. I'm sure people look forward to you in meetings. I assume it's just slide after slide of the same point, followed by pictures of BC, and that's if you leave time for it after spending the first half of the meeting asking everyone to pull your finger.
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:38:19 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
What part of "I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it." is so difficult to comprehend?
The part where you immediately undercut it by balking at every trade proposed by anyone in the last two years.
How is saying "here is the most painless way of doing it" the same as "this is the only way it should be done"? You must be a fucking blast in meetings.
Because your response is basically no longer required when it comes to any trade discussion on the board. We all know you'd rather they just buy players in free agency. Cool. Awesome. Thanks for playing. I'm sure people look forward to you in meetings. I assume it's just slide after slide of the same point, followed by pictures of BC, and that's if you leave time for it after spending the first half of the meeting asking everyone to pull your finger.
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:07:26 PM
I should learn to not respond to Fork's "every prospect is unbeliveably awesome and the Cubs have more money than God and they'll just perpetually add whoever they want while losing nobody and we all need to get fitted for our extra medium championship tees now" act, but I mean, it took me five years to stop responding to Cutler trolls. I'm a slow learner.
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:38:19 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
What part of "I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it." is so difficult to comprehend?
The part where you immediately undercut it by balking at every trade proposed by anyone in the last two years.
How is saying "here is the most painless way of doing it" the same as "this is the only way it should be done"? You must be a fucking blast in meetings.
Because your response is basically no longer required when it comes to any trade discussion on the board. We all know you'd rather they just buy players in free agency. Cool. Awesome. Thanks for playing. I'm sure people look forward to you in meetings. I assume it's just slide after slide of the same point, followed by pictures of BC, and that's if you leave time for it after spending the first half of the meeting asking everyone to pull your finger.
You left out the 10 minutes of me offering everyone Hertz Donuts.
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
What part of "I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it." is so difficult to comprehend?
The part where you immediately undercut it by balking at every trade proposed by anyone in the last two years.
I think the moral of the story is: nobody knows a goddamned thing. None of us knows what the Ricketts are willing to spend or how Theo plans to go about acquiring starting pitching or who he likes and who he hates on the team. So maybe we should just relax a little and at least wait for the Winter Meetings Rumor Bonanza to start up.
And for the record, I am a joy in meetings, because I get to the fucking point in 5 sentences or less.
Quote from: CT III on November 04, 2015, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
What part of "I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it." is so difficult to comprehend?
The part where you immediately undercut it by balking at every trade proposed by anyone in the last two years.
I think the moral of the story is: nobody knows a goddamned thing. None of us knows what the Ricketts are willing to spend or how Theo plans to go about acquiring starting pitching or who he likes and who he hates on the team. So maybe we should just relax a little and at least wait for the Winter Meetings Rumor Bonanza to start up.
And for the record, I am a joy in meetings, because I get to the fucking point in 5 sentences or less.
*counts sentences above*
This man delivers on his promises!
Quote from: CT III on November 04, 2015, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
What part of "I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it." is so difficult to comprehend?
The part where you immediately undercut it by balking at every trade proposed by anyone in the last two years.
I think the moral of the story is: nobody knows a goddamned thing. None of us knows what the Ricketts are willing to spend or how Theo plans to go about acquiring starting pitching or who he likes and who he hates on the team. So maybe we should just relax a little and at least wait for the Winter Meetings Rumor Bonanza to start up.
And for the record, I am a joy in meetings, because I get to the fucking point in 5 sentences or less.
but you're that fucking guy who always takes the only two Boston Creme donuts.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 02:53:18 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 04, 2015, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
What part of "I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it." is so difficult to comprehend?
The part where you immediately undercut it by balking at every trade proposed by anyone in the last two years.
I think the moral of the story is: nobody knows a goddamned thing. None of us knows what the Ricketts are willing to spend or how Theo plans to go about acquiring starting pitching or who he likes and who he hates on the team. So maybe we should just relax a little and at least wait for the Winter Meetings Rumor Bonanza to start up.
And for the record, I am a joy in meetings, because I get to the fucking point in 5 sentences or less.
but you're that fucking guy who always takes the only two Boston Creme donuts.
No that'd definitely be me.
Quote from: PANK! on November 04, 2015, 03:01:58 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 02:53:18 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 04, 2015, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
What part of "I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it." is so difficult to comprehend?
The part where you immediately undercut it by balking at every trade proposed by anyone in the last two years.
I think the moral of the story is: nobody knows a goddamned thing. None of us knows what the Ricketts are willing to spend or how Theo plans to go about acquiring starting pitching or who he likes and who he hates on the team. So maybe we should just relax a little and at least wait for the Winter Meetings Rumor Bonanza to start up.
And for the record, I am a joy in meetings, because I get to the fucking point in 5 sentences or less.
but you're that fucking guy who always takes the only two Boston Creme donuts.
No that'd definitely be me.
People eat those?
Quote from: R-V on November 04, 2015, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 04, 2015, 03:01:58 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 02:53:18 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 04, 2015, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
What part of "I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it." is so difficult to comprehend?
The part where you immediately undercut it by balking at every trade proposed by anyone in the last two years.
I think the moral of the story is: nobody knows a goddamned thing. None of us knows what the Ricketts are willing to spend or how Theo plans to go about acquiring starting pitching or who he likes and who he hates on the team. So maybe we should just relax a little and at least wait for the Winter Meetings Rumor Bonanza to start up.
And for the record, I am a joy in meetings, because I get to the fucking point in 5 sentences or less.
but you're that fucking guy who always takes the only two Boston Creme donuts.
No that'd definitely be me.
People eat those?
I actually stuff pizza rolls in mine and
then eat them.
Quote from: PANK! on November 04, 2015, 03:22:51 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 04, 2015, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 04, 2015, 03:01:58 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 02:53:18 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 04, 2015, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
What part of "I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it." is so difficult to comprehend?
The part where you immediately undercut it by balking at every trade proposed by anyone in the last two years.
I think the moral of the story is: nobody knows a goddamned thing. None of us knows what the Ricketts are willing to spend or how Theo plans to go about acquiring starting pitching or who he likes and who he hates on the team. So maybe we should just relax a little and at least wait for the Winter Meetings Rumor Bonanza to start up.
And for the record, I am a joy in meetings, because I get to the fucking point in 5 sentences or less.
but you're that fucking guy who always takes the only two Boston Creme donuts.
No that'd definitely be me.
People eat those?
I actually stuff pizza rolls in mine and then eat them.
For the last time, Bacci's slices that have dried out and folded over in your fanny pack are not actually pizza rolls.
Quote from: CT III on November 04, 2015, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
What part of "I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it." is so difficult to comprehend?
The part where you immediately undercut it by balking at every trade proposed by anyone in the last two years.
I think the moral of the story is: nobody knows a goddamned thing. None of us knows what the Ricketts are willing to spend or how Theo plans to go about acquiring starting pitching or who he likes and who he hates on the team. So maybe we should just relax a little and at least wait for the Winter Meetings Rumor Bonanza to start up.
And for the record, I am a joy in meetings, because I get to the fucking point in 5 sentences or less.
The bolded has been the case for the last several years and I nominate CT to keep reminding us at all subsequent meetings as we review old news and previous minutes.
Because we sure as fuck seem to forget it.
I don't get invited to meetings very often anymore after getting caught rolling my eyes by a partner that was speaking at the time.
Quote from: flannj on November 04, 2015, 03:32:05 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 04, 2015, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
What part of "I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it." is so difficult to comprehend?
The part where you immediately undercut it by balking at every trade proposed by anyone in the last two years.
I think the moral of the story is: nobody knows a goddamned thing. None of us knows what the Ricketts are willing to spend or how Theo plans to go about acquiring starting pitching or who he likes and who he hates on the team. So maybe we should just relax a little and at least wait for the Winter Meetings Rumor Bonanza to start up.
And for the record, I am a joy in meetings, because I get to the fucking point in 5 sentences or less.
The bolded has been the case for the last several years and I nominate CT to keep reminding us at all subsequent meetings as we review old news and previous minutes.
Because we sure as fuck seem to forget it.
I don't get invited to meetings very often anymore after getting caught rolling my eyes by a partner that was speaking at the time.
and you're a farter.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 12:14:57 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 12:11:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 04, 2015, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 04, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 04, 2015, 09:27:14 AM
Quote from: Shooter on November 03, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
One thousand times this. At some point every GM has to give something up to improve their team. There are a finite number of great players, and most people who have one under control aren't going to give them up without something worth gaining in return.
But for now, the thing the Cubs have they can give up most easily is money.
Okay but what if they don't have the money you think they have or the willingness to spend it you think they do? What if they want to spend it on Jason Heyward and not on a 31 year old who might be totally useless by the last 3-4 years of their deal when they're probably already expecting the last few years of Lester's contract to be a bit of a drag? Do you deny they'd need to trade for starting pitching in that scenario or just consider starting pitching less useful than Javier Baez doing a Ben Zobrist impersonation?
Of course not. I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it. But as has been pointed out here and in other places, the Cubs are, what, 3 years from having the ability to launch their own broadcast channel/network? So any pain point from paying fossils 25 mildo/per/each would be more easily absorbed at that point. So as things stand now and in the future, using money instead of sending players is less of a pain point.
As far as the Ricketts family's money and willingness to spend? After the cheddar they threw at Lester, and the success they had this season with both ticket and broadcast/advertising revenue? I'd say the purse strings are probably pretty damn loose.
...assuming that money is still available. 3 years is a long time.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 04, 2015, 04:32:33 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 12:14:57 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 12:11:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 04, 2015, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 04, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 04, 2015, 09:27:14 AM
Quote from: Shooter on November 03, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
One thousand times this. At some point every GM has to give something up to improve their team. There are a finite number of great players, and most people who have one under control aren't going to give them up without something worth gaining in return.
But for now, the thing the Cubs have they can give up most easily is money.
Okay but what if they don't have the money you think they have or the willingness to spend it you think they do? What if they want to spend it on Jason Heyward and not on a 31 year old who might be totally useless by the last 3-4 years of their deal when they're probably already expecting the last few years of Lester's contract to be a bit of a drag? Do you deny they'd need to trade for starting pitching in that scenario or just consider starting pitching less useful than Javier Baez doing a Ben Zobrist impersonation?
Of course not. I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it. But as has been pointed out here and in other places, the Cubs are, what, 3 years from having the ability to launch their own broadcast channel/network? So any pain point from paying fossils 25 mildo/per/each would be more easily absorbed at that point. So as things stand now and in the future, using money instead of sending players is less of a pain point.
As far as the Ricketts family's money and willingness to spend? After the cheddar they threw at Lester, and the success they had this season with both ticket and broadcast/advertising revenue? I'd say the purse strings are probably pretty damn loose.
...assuming that money is still available. 3 years is a long time.
This is a reasonable thing to be skeptical about, given all the talk about the local TV bubble.
Quote from: Eli on November 04, 2015, 07:39:40 PM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 01:12:46 PM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 04, 2015, 12:11:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 04, 2015, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 04, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 04, 2015, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 04, 2015, 09:27:14 AM
Quote from: Shooter on November 03, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2015, 08:57:18 AM
Lots of talk about moving Javy for pitching or is he gonna start and what not.
Am I nuts for thinking, they should definitely keep him as a super utility guy? He's not entitled to any full time starting role but his stint at the end of the year proved he's got a lot of value as a fill in guy and he'd be more than acceptable should Castro, Russell, or Bryant get hurt at any point.
Seems like it'd be pretty dumb to get rid of a guy like that.
I agree. As these guys get older and more experienced, they might be more inclined to bitch about consistent roles and/or batting order spots, but while their still young, why not hang on to a guy who can back up at three positions with ease and could probably be a capable OF too.
Every year it seems like there is some team that is over-loaded at some position and trades away some of that depth in spring training, then ends up signing Felix Doubront to fill out their rotation.
It all just depends on what Baez's trade value is. If he can actually help bring back a young, talented arm (a Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco type), that's a far better use of his value than keeping him around for depth purposes.
DPD, but this. I like Javy and would be excited about him entering spring training as the starter at 2B or whatever if they move Castro but if some team is willing to trade a TOR starter and they want Baez instead of Castro then I'm not saying no. That's worth more to them than a valuable backup.
Baez as depth would be a luxury that few teams could afford. It would be crazy to have Hammel start a playoff game with Baez waiting to pinch hit.
One thousand times this. At some point every GM has to give something up to improve their team. There are a finite number of great players, and most people who have one under control aren't going to give them up without something worth gaining in return.
But for now, the thing the Cubs have they can give up most easily is money.
Okay but what if they don't have the money you think they have or the willingness to spend it you think they do? What if they want to spend it on Jason Heyward and not on a 31 year old who might be totally useless by the last 3-4 years of their deal when they're probably already expecting the last few years of Lester's contract to be a bit of a drag? Do you deny they'd need to trade for starting pitching in that scenario or just consider starting pitching less useful than Javier Baez doing a Ben Zobrist impersonation?
Of course not. I fully expect the Cubs to explore every avenue to fill the needs the have, and use every tool at their disposal to do it. But as has been pointed out here and in other places, the Cubs are, what, 3 years from having the ability to launch their own broadcast channel/network? So any pain point from paying fossils 25 mildo/per/each would be more easily absorbed at that point. So as things stand now and in the future, using money instead of sending players is less of a pain point.
As far as the Ricketts family's money and willingness to spend? After the cheddar they threw at Lester, and the success they had this season with both ticket and broadcast/advertising revenue? I'd say the purse strings are probably pretty damn loose.
...assuming that money is still available. 3 years is a long time.
This is a reasonable thing to be skeptical about, given all the talk about the local TV bubble.
I think it will be available, either via cable or via pay-per-view streaming. But it might not. That's why, when I look at the Cubs potential salary budget, i see it at about a max of $150mm now. That's more than they peaked at in 2010 ($144mm), but the team makes more revenue today. They also have debt service they didn't have back then. They go into this offseason at $118mm in cash salaries ($11mm of which is EJax). They have about $30mm to $40mm to spend as of today.
I guess.
Bump.
A dong and nearly started an around-the-horn triple play.
Quote from: Shooter on April 22, 2016, 08:56:55 PM
Bump.
A dong and nearly started an around-the-horn triple play.
As soon as he turned and unexpectedly threw to second I got very excited. Sadly not to be.
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Quote from: Shooter on April 22, 2016, 08:56:55 PM
Bump.
A dong and nearly started an around-the-horn triple play.
As soon as he turned and unexpectedly threw to second I got very excited. Sadly not to be.
Mrs. flannj thought I started into a convulsive fit at that point because I was yelling at the TV so loud.
I'm not overly sure Javy will ever be good or great, but I'm rooting like crazy for him.
Holy shit. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/725150429764550656)
I fucking love watching him play defense.
Quote from: SKO on May 02, 2016, 10:25:59 PM
I fucking love watching him play defense.
I have no idea how he made this tag.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChgDQL2U8AArvW8.jpg)
In 2013 Baez made 44 errors and I don't think I was alone in thinking, at the time, that Baez was a power hitter with a questionable glove. Not having seen him, we could only go off the stats and the stats seemed to indicate that it was his bat that would get him to stick in the bigs. When he was called up in 2014, however, it didn't take too many games to see the guy had some good hands. When Castro missed the last month of September, 2014, Baez moved over to the short and over the course of that final month it became clear that he was an above-average defender. Last year he played multiple infield positions and he was better at those positions than the incumbent.
Coming into this year I was of the opinion that he had the best glove on the team, that he was even a better defensive SS than Russell--who is a legitimate Gold Glove candidate. I haven't changed my mind. Over time, I don't suspect that this will remain true as Russell will have had the opportunity to get better and better but there's something about how Baez moves out there that is just enjoyable to watch. That tag last night was sick but it's not the first time he's demonstrated ridiculously quick and fluid hands.
2 years ago the thought that Baez' glove would be more impressive than his bat would've seemed outlandish--unless it was because his bat was faltering. But it's not--the dude's actually hitting, but he's a pretty special defensive player, which is a very nice development.
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 08:26:18 AM
In 2013 Baez made 44 errors and I don't think I was alone in thinking, at the time, that Baez was a power hitter with a questionable glove. Not having seen him, we could only go off the stats and the stats seemed to indicate that it was his bat that would get him to stick in the bigs. When he was called up in 2014, however, it didn't take too many games to see the guy had some good hands. When Castro missed the last month of September, 2014, Baez moved over to the short and over the course of that final month it became clear that he was an above-average defender. Last year he played multiple infield positions and he was better at those positions than the incumbent.
Coming into this year I was of the opinion that he had the best glove on the team, that he was even a better defensive SS than Russell--who is a legitimate Gold Glove candidate. I haven't changed my mind. Over time, I don't suspect that this will remain true as Russell will have had the opportunity to get better and better but there's something about how Baez moves out there that is just enjoyable to watch. That tag last night was sick but it's not the first time he's demonstrated ridiculously quick and fluid hands.
2 years ago the thought that Baez' glove would be more impressive than his bat would've seemed outlandish--unless it was because his bat was faltering. But it's not--the dude's actually hitting, but he's a pretty special defensive player, which is a very nice development.
Well if Javy keeps hitting and Jorge keeps not hitting or just not playing I am pretty sure you'll see a lot more of Kris Bryant in LF with Javy at third. That gives the Cubs an almost insanely good left side of the infield defensively.
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 08:26:18 AM
In 2013 Baez made 44 errors and I don't think I was alone in thinking, at the time, that Baez was a power hitter with a questionable glove. Not having seen him, we could only go off the stats and the stats seemed to indicate that it was his bat that would get him to stick in the bigs. When he was called up in 2014, however, it didn't take too many games to see the guy had some good hands.
I thought it was pretty well documented that his high error counts in the minors were the result of a lot of throwing errors.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 03, 2016, 08:56:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 08:26:18 AM
In 2013 Baez made 44 errors and I don't think I was alone in thinking, at the time, that Baez was a power hitter with a questionable glove. Not having seen him, we could only go off the stats and the stats seemed to indicate that it was his bat that would get him to stick in the bigs. When he was called up in 2014, however, it didn't take too many games to see the guy had some good hands.
I thought it was pretty well documented that his high error counts in the minors were the result of a lot of throwing errors.
That's a lot of throwing errors. Who was his 1st baseman--Fred McStiff Jr.?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 03, 2016, 08:56:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 08:26:18 AM
In 2013 Baez made 44 errors and I don't think I was alone in thinking, at the time, that Baez was a power hitter with a questionable glove. Not having seen him, we could only go off the stats and the stats seemed to indicate that it was his bat that would get him to stick in the bigs. When he was called up in 2014, however, it didn't take too many games to see the guy had some good hands.
I thought it was pretty well documented that his high error counts in the minors were the result of a lot of throwing errors.
Minor league error totals are usually fairly unreliable. A lot of them are even attributable to poorly kept infields, but yeah, Baez' main issue defensively appears to be thinking he can make every throw. With an arm like that, I don't blame him. He appears to have a better idea of when to reign it in now that he's getting big league coaching though.
Also errors in general aren't a great way to gauge how good a guy is in on defense because a guy that never attempts to actually field anything difficult won't make many (yeah Jeets). Andrelton Simmons made 14 errors in 2014, Jeter made 11. Simmons was worth 28 DRS saved that year, Jeter cost his team 12 runs.
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 08:26:18 AM
In 2013 Baez made 44 errors and I don't think I was alone in thinking, at the time, that Baez was a power hitter with a questionable glove. Not having seen him, we could only go off the stats and the stats seemed to indicate that it was his bat that would get him to stick in the bigs. When he was called up in 2014, however, it didn't take too many games to see the guy had some good hands. When Castro missed the last month of September, 2014, Baez moved over to the short and over the course of that final month it became clear that he was an above-average defender. Last year he played multiple infield positions and he was better at those positions than the incumbent.
Coming into this year I was of the opinion that he had the best glove on the team, that he was even a better defensive SS than Russell--who is a legitimate Gold Glove candidate. I haven't changed my mind. Over time, I don't suspect that this will remain true as Russell will have had the opportunity to get better and better but there's something about how Baez moves out there that is just enjoyable to watch. That tag last night was sick but it's not the first time he's demonstrated ridiculously quick and fluid hands.
2 years ago the thought that Baez' glove would be more impressive than his bat would've seemed outlandish--unless it was because his bat was faltering. But it's not--the dude's actually hitting, but he's a pretty special defensive player, which is a very nice development.
Let's not forget about Javy's baserunning either - he is a menace on the basepaths. He and Bryant are just so much fun to watch in all phases.
Quote from: SKO on May 03, 2016, 09:10:27 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 03, 2016, 08:56:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 08:26:18 AM
In 2013 Baez made 44 errors and I don't think I was alone in thinking, at the time, that Baez was a power hitter with a questionable glove. Not having seen him, we could only go off the stats and the stats seemed to indicate that it was his bat that would get him to stick in the bigs. When he was called up in 2014, however, it didn't take too many games to see the guy had some good hands.
I thought it was pretty well documented that his high error counts in the minors were the result of a lot of throwing errors.
Minor league error totals are usually fairly unreliable. A lot of them are even attributable to poorly kept infields, but yeah, Baez' main issue defensively appears to be thinking he can make every throw. With an arm like that, I don't blame him. He appears to have a better idea of when to reign it in now that he's getting big league coaching though.
Also errors in general aren't a great way to gauge how good a guy is in on defense because a guy that never attempts to actually field anything difficult won't make many (yeah Jeets). Andrelton Simmons made 14 errors in 2014, Jeter made 11. Simmons was worth 28 DRS saved that year, Jeter cost his team 12 runs.
Yes I understand that errors alone are not the best indicator of a player's defense, but 44 errors is a lot (and since minor league defensive data pales in comparison to the bigs, it's one of the few things to go off of from the comfort of my couch). Still, though--relative to all of the other infielders who *also* play on shitty minor league infields, it's a lot of errors and if Simmons made 44 errors--regardless of whether or not they we're talking fielding or throwing errors-- I doubt people would point to his range as a factor that minimizes the impact of those 44 errors. That's a whole game-and--a-half of expected outs, and over the course of a 5 month season to boot.
Obviously, Baez' subsequent play at the major-league level proves that this 44 errors were likely not representative of his defensive acumen but that's only clear to me in retrospect. At the time, though, it sure looked like a red flag.
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 09:30:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 03, 2016, 09:10:27 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 03, 2016, 08:56:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 08:26:18 AM
In 2013 Baez made 44 errors and I don't think I was alone in thinking, at the time, that Baez was a power hitter with a questionable glove. Not having seen him, we could only go off the stats and the stats seemed to indicate that it was his bat that would get him to stick in the bigs. When he was called up in 2014, however, it didn't take too many games to see the guy had some good hands.
I thought it was pretty well documented that his high error counts in the minors were the result of a lot of throwing errors.
Minor league error totals are usually fairly unreliable. A lot of them are even attributable to poorly kept infields, but yeah, Baez' main issue defensively appears to be thinking he can make every throw. With an arm like that, I don't blame him. He appears to have a better idea of when to reign it in now that he's getting big league coaching though.
Also errors in general aren't a great way to gauge how good a guy is in on defense because a guy that never attempts to actually field anything difficult won't make many (yeah Jeets). Andrelton Simmons made 14 errors in 2014, Jeter made 11. Simmons was worth 28 DRS saved that year, Jeter cost his team 12 runs.
Yes I understand that errors alone are not the best indicator of a player's defense, but 44 errors is a lot (and since minor league defensive data pales in comparison to the bigs, it's one of the few things to go off of from the comfort of my couch). Still, though--relative to all of the other infielders who *also* play on shitty minor league infields, it's a lot of errors and if Simmons made 44 errors--regardless of whether or not they we're talking fielding or throwing errors-- I doubt people would point to his range as a factor that minimizes the impact of those 44 errors. That's a whole game-and--a-half of expected outs, and over the course of a 5 month season to boot.
Obviously, Baez' subsequent play at the major-league level proves that this 44 errors were likely not representative of his defensive acumen but that's only clear to me in retrospect. At the time, though, it sure looked like a red flag.
I get your point, but Simmons also made 28 errors during his only full year in the minors. I just treat minor league fielding numbers as bunk and focus on the scouting reports, most of which said he was a pretty good shortstop and probably a great second or third baseman, if I remember.
Quote from: SKO on May 03, 2016, 09:37:21 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 09:30:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 03, 2016, 09:10:27 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 03, 2016, 08:56:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 08:26:18 AM
In 2013 Baez made 44 errors and I don't think I was alone in thinking, at the time, that Baez was a power hitter with a questionable glove. Not having seen him, we could only go off the stats and the stats seemed to indicate that it was his bat that would get him to stick in the bigs. When he was called up in 2014, however, it didn't take too many games to see the guy had some good hands.
I thought it was pretty well documented that his high error counts in the minors were the result of a lot of throwing errors.
Minor league error totals are usually fairly unreliable. A lot of them are even attributable to poorly kept infields, but yeah, Baez' main issue defensively appears to be thinking he can make every throw. With an arm like that, I don't blame him. He appears to have a better idea of when to reign it in now that he's getting big league coaching though.
Also errors in general aren't a great way to gauge how good a guy is in on defense because a guy that never attempts to actually field anything difficult won't make many (yeah Jeets). Andrelton Simmons made 14 errors in 2014, Jeter made 11. Simmons was worth 28 DRS saved that year, Jeter cost his team 12 runs.
Yes I understand that errors alone are not the best indicator of a player's defense, but 44 errors is a lot (and since minor league defensive data pales in comparison to the bigs, it's one of the few things to go off of from the comfort of my couch). Still, though--relative to all of the other infielders who *also* play on shitty minor league infields, it's a lot of errors and if Simmons made 44 errors--regardless of whether or not they we're talking fielding or throwing errors-- I doubt people would point to his range as a factor that minimizes the impact of those 44 errors. That's a whole game-and--a-half of expected outs, and over the course of a 5 month season to boot.
Obviously, Baez' subsequent play at the major-league level proves that this 44 errors were likely not representative of his defensive acumen but that's only clear to me in retrospect. At the time, though, it sure looked like a red flag.
I get your point, but Simmons also made 28 errors during his only full year in the minors. I just treat minor league fielding numbers as bunk and focus on the scouting reports, most of which said he was a pretty good shortstop and probably a great second or third baseman, if I remember.
Fair enough. Glad I didn't dig a little deeper and look at the scouting reports, which would have deprived me of the PLEASANT SURPRISE that is this bad-ass mofo with the glove.
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 09:06:39 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 03, 2016, 08:56:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 08:26:18 AM
In 2013 Baez made 44 errors and I don't think I was alone in thinking, at the time, that Baez was a power hitter with a questionable glove. Not having seen him, we could only go off the stats and the stats seemed to indicate that it was his bat that would get him to stick in the bigs. When he was called up in 2014, however, it didn't take too many games to see the guy had some good hands.
I thought it was pretty well documented that his high error counts in the minors were the result of a lot of throwing errors.
That's a lot of throwing errors. Who was his 1st baseman--Fred McStiff Jr.?
Having Anthony Rizzo as a target makes everyone's life a lot easier.
Quote from: R-V on May 03, 2016, 09:10:41 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 08:26:18 AM
In 2013 Baez made 44 errors and I don't think I was alone in thinking, at the time, that Baez was a power hitter with a questionable glove. Not having seen him, we could only go off the stats and the stats seemed to indicate that it was his bat that would get him to stick in the bigs. When he was called up in 2014, however, it didn't take too many games to see the guy had some good hands. When Castro missed the last month of September, 2014, Baez moved over to the short and over the course of that final month it became clear that he was an above-average defender. Last year he played multiple infield positions and he was better at those positions than the incumbent.
Coming into this year I was of the opinion that he had the best glove on the team, that he was even a better defensive SS than Russell--who is a legitimate Gold Glove candidate. I haven't changed my mind. Over time, I don't suspect that this will remain true as Russell will have had the opportunity to get better and better but there's something about how Baez moves out there that is just enjoyable to watch. That tag last night was sick but it's not the first time he's demonstrated ridiculously quick and fluid hands.
2 years ago the thought that Baez' glove would be more impressive than his bat would've seemed outlandish--unless it was because his bat was faltering. But it's not--the dude's actually hitting, but he's a pretty special defensive player, which is a very nice development.
Let's not forget about Javy's baserunning either - he is a menace on the basepaths. He and Bryant are just so much fun to watch in all phases.
I think I watched his slide stealing 2nd from last Tuesday at least 20 times. Best slide since Rizzo's "it's magic" slide going into 3rd from last year.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 03, 2016, 11:10:52 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 03, 2016, 09:10:41 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 08:26:18 AM
In 2013 Baez made 44 errors and I don't think I was alone in thinking, at the time, that Baez was a power hitter with a questionable glove. Not having seen him, we could only go off the stats and the stats seemed to indicate that it was his bat that would get him to stick in the bigs. When he was called up in 2014, however, it didn't take too many games to see the guy had some good hands. When Castro missed the last month of September, 2014, Baez moved over to the short and over the course of that final month it became clear that he was an above-average defender. Last year he played multiple infield positions and he was better at those positions than the incumbent.
Coming into this year I was of the opinion that he had the best glove on the team, that he was even a better defensive SS than Russell--who is a legitimate Gold Glove candidate. I haven't changed my mind. Over time, I don't suspect that this will remain true as Russell will have had the opportunity to get better and better but there's something about how Baez moves out there that is just enjoyable to watch. That tag last night was sick but it's not the first time he's demonstrated ridiculously quick and fluid hands.
2 years ago the thought that Baez' glove would be more impressive than his bat would've seemed outlandish--unless it was because his bat was faltering. But it's not--the dude's actually hitting, but he's a pretty special defensive player, which is a very nice development.
Let's not forget about Javy's baserunning either - he is a menace on the basepaths. He and Bryant are just so much fun to watch in all phases.
I think I watched his slide stealing 2nd from last Tuesday at least 20 times. Best slide since Rizzo's "it's magic" slide going into 3rd from last year.
It's strange that we all originally pitched trouser tents over his bat, but everything else he's doing has been so fucking fantastic that his bat is damn near a bonus at this point.
But I love the fact that he can be a super sub as opposed to having to be THE MAN, which can only help his development. Now I'm waiting for his first "holy shit" play in the outfield.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 03, 2016, 02:05:43 PM
But I love the fact that he can be a super sub as opposed to having to be THE MAN, which can only help his development. Now I'm waiting for his first "holy shit" play in the outfield.
You'll be waiting a long time for that. You know, because of the BMI.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 03, 2016, 02:05:43 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 03, 2016, 11:10:52 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 03, 2016, 09:10:41 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 08:26:18 AM
In 2013 Baez made 44 errors and I don't think I was alone in thinking, at the time, that Baez was a power hitter with a questionable glove. Not having seen him, we could only go off the stats and the stats seemed to indicate that it was his bat that would get him to stick in the bigs. When he was called up in 2014, however, it didn't take too many games to see the guy had some good hands. When Castro missed the last month of September, 2014, Baez moved over to the short and over the course of that final month it became clear that he was an above-average defender. Last year he played multiple infield positions and he was better at those positions than the incumbent.
Coming into this year I was of the opinion that he had the best glove on the team, that he was even a better defensive SS than Russell--who is a legitimate Gold Glove candidate. I haven't changed my mind. Over time, I don't suspect that this will remain true as Russell will have had the opportunity to get better and better but there's something about how Baez moves out there that is just enjoyable to watch. That tag last night was sick but it's not the first time he's demonstrated ridiculously quick and fluid hands.
2 years ago the thought that Baez' glove would be more impressive than his bat would've seemed outlandish--unless it was because his bat was faltering. But it's not--the dude's actually hitting, but he's a pretty special defensive player, which is a very nice development.
Let's not forget about Javy's baserunning either - he is a menace on the basepaths. He and Bryant are just so much fun to watch in all phases.
I think I watched his slide stealing 2nd from last Tuesday at least 20 times. Best slide since Rizzo's "it's magic" slide going into 3rd from last year.
It's strange that we all originally pitched trouser tents over his bat, but everything else he's doing has been so fucking fantastic that his bat is damn near a bonus at this point.
But I love the fact that he can be a super sub as opposed to having to be THE MAN, which can only help his development. Now I'm waiting for his first "holy shit" play in the outfield.
Yeah, it's kind of insane that he's hit 2 homers total since he came up last September, but he's been worth 1.1 fWAR in 40 games anyway thanks to the defense (he's been worth about 4 DRS in that time) and baserunning (1.4 baserunning runs added).
He's obviously not going to keep the BABIP over .400 but hopefully he'll hit for more power as the trade off. His ZIPS projection was .248/.301/.443 with 22 homers, I'd be absolutely fucking thrilled if he gave us that while playing plus defense at 2-3 positions.
Quote from: Eli on May 03, 2016, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 03, 2016, 02:05:43 PM
But I love the fact that he can be a super sub as opposed to having to be THE MAN, which can only help his development. Now I'm waiting for his first "holy shit" play in the outfield.
You'll be waiting a long time for that. You know, because of the BMI.
What does body mass index have to do with fielding?
Quote from: CBStew on May 03, 2016, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 03, 2016, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 03, 2016, 02:05:43 PM
But I love the fact that he can be a super sub as opposed to having to be THE MAN, which can only help his development. Now I'm waiting for his first "holy shit" play in the outfield.
You'll be waiting a long time for that. You know, because of the BMI.
What does body mass index have to do with fielding?
Everything.
Quote from: SKO on May 03, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 03, 2016, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 03, 2016, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 03, 2016, 02:05:43 PM
But I love the fact that he can be a super sub as opposed to having to be THE MAN, which can only help his development. Now I'm waiting for his first "holy shit" play in the outfield.
You'll be waiting a long time for that. You know, because of the BMI.
What does body mass index have to do with fielding?
Everything.
I am still curious. Any other opinions? Except for Rick Ruschel I can't remember any discussions along this line.
Holy crap this guy.
Quote from: flannj on May 03, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
Holy crap this guy.
Putting on a damn clinic at the hot corner tonight, christ.
Quote from: PANK! on May 03, 2016, 08:04:25 PM
Quote from: flannj on May 03, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
Holy crap this guy.
Putting on a damn clinic at the hot corner tonight, christ.
With a BMI like that what else would you expect?
Quote from: CBStew on May 03, 2016, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 03, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 03, 2016, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 03, 2016, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 03, 2016, 02:05:43 PM
But I love the fact that he can be a super sub as opposed to having to be THE MAN, which can only help his development. Now I'm waiting for his first "holy shit" play in the outfield.
You'll be waiting a long time for that. You know, because of the BMI.
What does body mass index have to do with fielding?
Everything.
I am still curious. Any other opinions? Except for Rick Ruschel I can't remember any discussions along this line.
There was a long discussion on here last year where Tonker said Javy was too fat to play center field, which led to a lot of BMI jokes.
Quote from: Eli on May 03, 2016, 08:38:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 03, 2016, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 03, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 03, 2016, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 03, 2016, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 03, 2016, 02:05:43 PM
But I love the fact that he can be a super sub as opposed to having to be THE MAN, which can only help his development. Now I'm waiting for his first "holy shit" play in the outfield.
You'll be waiting a long time for that. You know, because of the BMI.
What does body mass index have to do with fielding?
Everything.
I am still curious. Any other opinions? Except for Rick Ruschel I can't remember any discussions along this line.
There was a long discussion on here last year where Tonker said Javy was too fat to play center field, which led to a lot of BMI jokes.
Thank you. As you may know, I suffer from CRS.
Quote from: Eli on May 03, 2016, 08:38:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 03, 2016, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 03, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 03, 2016, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 03, 2016, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 03, 2016, 02:05:43 PM
But I love the fact that he can be a super sub as opposed to having to be THE MAN, which can only help his development. Now I'm waiting for his first "holy shit" play in the outfield.
You'll be waiting a long time for that. You know, because of the BMI.
What does body mass index have to do with fielding?
Everything.
I am still curious. Any other opinions? Except for Rick Ruschel I can't remember any discussions along this line.
There was a long discussion on here last year where Tonker said Javy was too fat to play center field, which led to a lot of BMI jokes.
Which is ironic, since I believe Tonk himself is now playing centerfield on his softball team.
He was also scorching the ball last night.
Quote from: flannj on May 03, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
Holy crap this guy.
How many plays did he make that made your eyes pop out of your head? 3? 4?
Baez has to be one of the flashiest (and I mean in this in a good way) players to come along in quite some time. Almost everything he does has a flair to it that not many players have.
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2016, 09:08:35 AM
Quote from: flannj on May 03, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
Holy crap this guy.
How many plays did he make that made your eyes pop out of your head? 3? 4?
Baez has to be one of the flashiest (and I mean in this in a good way) players to come along in quite some time. Almost everything he does has a flair to it that not many players have.
Nice choice, Jim (no seriously - thank you Jim).
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2016, 09:08:35 AM
Quote from: flannj on May 03, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
Holy crap this guy.
How many plays did he make that made your eyes pop out of your head? 3? 4?
Baez has to be one of the flashiest (and I mean in this in a good way) players to come along in quite some time. Almost everything he does has a flair to it that not many players have.
He's like a poor man's Yasiel Puig.
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2016, 09:08:35 AM
Quote from: flannj on May 03, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
Holy crap this guy.
How many plays did he make that made your eyes pop out of your head? 3? 4?
Baez has to be one of the flashiest (and I mean in this in a good way) players to come along in quite some time. Almost everything he does has a flair to it that not many players have.
He made a nice play last night charging in on a ball (good) but on slo-mo it became clear that he fielded it with a glove-side backhand (bad; also wtf?). But it looked really cool at full speed (good) and he got the out (good).
Quote from: ChuckD on May 04, 2016, 10:18:38 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2016, 09:08:35 AM
Quote from: flannj on May 03, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
Holy crap this guy.
How many plays did he make that made your eyes pop out of your head? 3? 4?
Baez has to be one of the flashiest (and I mean in this in a good way) players to come along in quite some time. Almost everything he does has a flair to it that not many players have.
He made a nice play last night charging in on a ball (good) but on slo-mo it became clear that he fielded it with a glove-side backhand (bad; also wtf?). But it looked really cool at full speed (good) and he got the out (good).
Flair usually means doing things the hard way and making them look unnecessarily cool.
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 04, 2016, 10:18:38 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2016, 09:08:35 AM
Quote from: flannj on May 03, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
Holy crap this guy.
How many plays did he make that made your eyes pop out of your head? 3? 4?
Baez has to be one of the flashiest (and I mean in this in a good way) players to come along in quite some time. Almost everything he does has a flair to it that not many players have.
He made a nice play last night charging in on a ball (good) but on slo-mo it became clear that he fielded it with a glove-side backhand (bad; also wtf?). But it looked really cool at full speed (good) and he got the out (good).
Flair usually means doing things the hard way and making them look unnecessarily cool.
Interesting. That sounds similar to the grit definition -- "doing things inefficiently (i.e. the hard way)" and "reaping less success in terms of tangible results."
"Making them look unnecessarily cool" implies success, so if gritty guys continue to do things inefficiently but start to succeed, they're just some sort of league-average glory boys?
Quote from: ChuckD on May 04, 2016, 12:21:00 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 04, 2016, 10:18:38 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2016, 09:08:35 AM
Quote from: flannj on May 03, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
Holy crap this guy.
How many plays did he make that made your eyes pop out of your head? 3? 4?
Baez has to be one of the flashiest (and I mean in this in a good way) players to come along in quite some time. Almost everything he does has a flair to it that not many players have.
He made a nice play last night charging in on a ball (good) but on slo-mo it became clear that he fielded it with a glove-side backhand (bad; also wtf?). But it looked really cool at full speed (good) and he got the out (good).
Flair usually means doing things the hard way and making them look unnecessarily cool.
Interesting. That sounds similar to the grit definition -- "doing things inefficiently (i.e. the hard way)" and "reaping less success in terms of tangible results."
"Making them look unnecessarily cool" implies success, so if gritty guys continue to do things inefficiently but start to succeed, they're just some sort of league-average glory boys?
GRIT guys do things the hard way but make them look really boring and lame. No one likes a try hard. Javy makes difficult things look smooth and rad. Like a hot girl ripping a guitar solo behind her head. Or opening a bottle with your forehead. You could just use a bottle opener. But why not wow 'em if you can.
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2016, 12:24:31 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 04, 2016, 12:21:00 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 04, 2016, 10:18:38 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2016, 09:08:35 AM
Quote from: flannj on May 03, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
Holy crap this guy.
How many plays did he make that made your eyes pop out of your head? 3? 4?
Baez has to be one of the flashiest (and I mean in this in a good way) players to come along in quite some time. Almost everything he does has a flair to it that not many players have.
He made a nice play last night charging in on a ball (good) but on slo-mo it became clear that he fielded it with a glove-side backhand (bad; also wtf?). But it looked really cool at full speed (good) and he got the out (good).
Flair usually means doing things the hard way and making them look unnecessarily cool.
Interesting. That sounds similar to the grit definition -- "doing things inefficiently (i.e. the hard way)" and "reaping less success in terms of tangible results."
"Making them look unnecessarily cool" implies success, so if gritty guys continue to do things inefficiently but start to succeed, they're just some sort of league-average glory boys?
GRIT guys do things the hard way but make them look really boring and lame. No one likes a try hard. Javy makes difficult things look smooth and rad. Like a hot girl ripping a guitar solo behind her head. Or opening a bottle with your forehead. You could just use a bottle opener. But why not wow 'em if you can.
Yeah, GRIT guys will do easy things the hard way but try to make it look hard so that you appreciate their effort. Smooth guys will make the easy look easy, but in a way that you think "wow, someone less smooth could not have done that, ser"
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Holy crap this guy.
How many plays did he make that made your eyes pop out of your head? 3? 4?
Baez has to be one of the flashiest (and I mean in this in a good way) players to come along in quite some time. Almost everything he does has a flair to it that not many players have.
He made a nice play last night charging in on a ball (good) but on slo-mo it became clear that he fielded it with a glove-side backhand (bad; also wtf?). But it looked really cool at full speed (good) and he got the out (good).
Flair usually means doing things the hard way and making them look unnecessarily cool.
Interesting. That sounds similar to the grit definition -- "doing things inefficiently (i.e. the hard way)" and "reaping less success in terms of tangible results."
"Making them look unnecessarily cool" implies success, so if gritty guys continue to do things inefficiently but start to succeed, they're just some sort of league-average glory boys?
GRIT guys do things the hard way but make them look really boring and lame. No one likes a try hard. Javy makes difficult things look smooth and rad. Like a hot girl ripping a guitar solo behind her head. Or opening a bottle with your forehead. You could just use a bottle opener. But why not wow 'em if you can.
Yeah, GRIT guys will do easy things the hard way but try to make it look hard so that you appreciate their effort. Smooth guys will make the easy look easy, but in a way that you think "wow, someone less smooth could not have done that, ser"
No one gets to tell ChuckD what GRIT is.
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Holy crap this guy.
How many plays did he make that made your eyes pop out of your head? 3? 4?
Baez has to be one of the flashiest (and I mean in this in a good way) players to come along in quite some time. Almost everything he does has a flair to it that not many players have.
He made a nice play last night charging in on a ball (good) but on slo-mo it became clear that he fielded it with a glove-side backhand (bad; also wtf?). But it looked really cool at full speed (good) and he got the out (good).
Flair usually means doing things the hard way and making them look unnecessarily cool.
Interesting. That sounds similar to the grit definition -- "doing things inefficiently (i.e. the hard way)" and "reaping less success in terms of tangible results."
"Making them look unnecessarily cool" implies success, so if gritty guys continue to do things inefficiently but start to succeed, they're just some sort of league-average glory boys?
GRIT guys do things the hard way but make them look really boring and lame. No one likes a try hard. Javy makes difficult things look smooth and rad. Like a hot girl ripping a guitar solo behind her head. Or opening a bottle with your forehead. You could just use a bottle opener. But why not wow 'em if you can.
Yeah, GRIT guys will do easy things the hard way but try to make it look hard so that you appreciate their effort. Smooth guys will make the easy look easy, but in a way that you think "wow, someone less smooth could not have done that, ser"
No one gets to tell ChuckD what GRIT is.
That's what exactly I was thinking. Get a load of these chuckleheads telling Chuck D. what GRIT is. Sheesh.
Look I'll just say it: we all know you can't be hispanic and gritty, even if the damn system belongs to ChuckD.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2016, 01:26:51 PM
Look I'll just say it: we all know you can't be hispanic and gritty, even if the damn system belongs to ChuckD.
Augie Ojeda wept.
I thought GRITty players made the little things look dramatic because of the extra effort required due to the fact that they weren't very good at sports.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2016, 02:51:25 PM
I thought GRITty players made the little things look dramatic because of the extra effort required due to the fact that they weren't very good at sports.
ChuckD wants to declare Baez gritty and we can't say no. Creators always have last say on what is or isn't correct, just ask George Lucas.
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2016, 02:51:25 PM
I thought GRITty players made the little things look dramatic because of the extra effort required due to the fact that they weren't very good at sports.
ChuckD wants to declare Baez gritty and we can't say no. Creators always have last say on what is or isn't correct, just ask George Lucas.
Pay attention. Baez doesn't make enough contact to be gritty. And he's making the plays, so he's flashy.
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I thought GRITty players made the little things look dramatic because of the extra effort required due to the fact that they weren't very good at sports.
ChuckD wants to declare Baez gritty and we can't say no. Creators always have last say on what is or isn't correct, just ask George Lucas.
Pay attention. Baez doesn't make enough contact to be gritty. And he's making the plays, so he's flashy.
Complaint withdrawn.
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2016, 02:51:25 PM
I thought GRITty players made the little things look dramatic because of the extra effort required due to the fact that they weren't very good at sports.
ChuckD wants to declare Baez gritty and we can't say no. Creators always have last say on what is or isn't correct, just ask George Lucas.
Pay attention. Baez doesn't make enough contact to be gritty. And he's making the plays, so he's flashy.
Complaint withdrawn.
Attention the fuck paid.
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I thought GRITty players made the little things look dramatic because of the extra effort required due to the fact that they weren't very good at sports.
ChuckD wants to declare Baez gritty and we can't say no. Creators always have last say on what is or isn't correct, just ask George Lucas.
Pay attention. Baez doesn't make enough contact to be gritty. And he's making the plays, so he's flashy.
Yeah baby that's the co-sign I needed.
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Holy crap this guy.
How many plays did he make that made your eyes pop out of your head? 3? 4?
Baez has to be one of the flashiest (and I mean in this in a good way) players to come along in quite some time. Almost everything he does has a flair to it that not many players have.
He made a nice play last night charging in on a ball (good) but on slo-mo it became clear that he fielded it with a glove-side backhand (bad; also wtf?). But it looked really cool at full speed (good) and he got the out (good).
Flair usually means doing things the hard way and making them look unnecessarily cool.
Interesting. That sounds similar to the grit definition -- "doing things inefficiently (i.e. the hard way)" and "reaping less success in terms of tangible results."
"Making them look unnecessarily cool" implies success, so if gritty guys continue to do things inefficiently but start to succeed, they're just some sort of league-average glory boys?
GRIT guys do things the hard way but make them look really boring and lame. No one likes a try hard. Javy makes difficult things look smooth and rad. Like a hot girl ripping a guitar solo behind her head. Or opening a bottle with your forehead. You could just use a bottle opener. But why not wow 'em if you can.
Wait. Wait. Wait. "Opening a bottle with your forehead." I can think of two ways of doing that. 1. Using your eye socket. 2. Crashing the bottle over your head. Depending on the definition, I guess that either one could be "rad", but no amount of persuasion could make me think that either of those are smooth.
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Holy crap this guy.
How many plays did he make that made your eyes pop out of your head? 3? 4?
Baez has to be one of the flashiest (and I mean in this in a good way) players to come along in quite some time. Almost everything he does has a flair to it that not many players have.
He made a nice play last night charging in on a ball (good) but on slo-mo it became clear that he fielded it with a glove-side backhand (bad; also wtf?). But it looked really cool at full speed (good) and he got the out (good).
Flair usually means doing things the hard way and making them look unnecessarily cool.
Interesting. That sounds similar to the grit definition -- "doing things inefficiently (i.e. the hard way)" and "reaping less success in terms of tangible results."
"Making them look unnecessarily cool" implies success, so if gritty guys continue to do things inefficiently but start to succeed, they're just some sort of league-average glory boys?
GRIT guys do things the hard way but make them look really boring and lame. No one likes a try hard. Javy makes difficult things look smooth and rad. Like a hot girl ripping a guitar solo behind her head. Or opening a bottle with your forehead. You could just use a bottle opener. But why not wow 'em if you can.
Wait. Wait. Wait. "Opening a bottle with your forehead." I can think of two ways of doing that. 1. Using your eye socket. 2. Crashing the bottle over your head. Depending on the definition, I guess that either one could be "rad", but no amount of persuasion could make me think that either of those are smooth.
#1 is flashy because it's the wrong way to open a bottle, but (I'm assuming) the person doing it makes it look easy and you still get the correct end result (beer drinkage).
#2 is gritty because it's the wrong way to open a bottle, you don't get to drink the beer, and skin + blood + glass shards = gritty.
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Holy crap this guy.
How many plays did he make that made your eyes pop out of your head? 3? 4?
Baez has to be one of the flashiest (and I mean in this in a good way) players to come along in quite some time. Almost everything he does has a flair to it that not many players have.
He made a nice play last night charging in on a ball (good) but on slo-mo it became clear that he fielded it with a glove-side backhand (bad; also wtf?). But it looked really cool at full speed (good) and he got the out (good).
Flair usually means doing things the hard way and making them look unnecessarily cool.
Interesting. That sounds similar to the grit definition -- "doing things inefficiently (i.e. the hard way)" and "reaping less success in terms of tangible results."
"Making them look unnecessarily cool" implies success, so if gritty guys continue to do things inefficiently but start to succeed, they're just some sort of league-average glory boys?
GRIT guys do things the hard way but make them look really boring and lame. No one likes a try hard. Javy makes difficult things look smooth and rad. Like a hot girl ripping a guitar solo behind her head. Or opening a bottle with your forehead. You could just use a bottle opener. But why not wow 'em if you can.
Wait. Wait. Wait. "Opening a bottle with your forehead." I can think of two ways of doing that. 1. Using your eye socket. 2. Crashing the bottle over your head. Depending on the definition, I guess that either one could be "rad", but no amount of persuasion could make me think that either of those are smooth.
#1 is flashy because it's the wrong way to open a bottle, but (I'm assuming) the person doing it makes it look easy and you still get the correct end result (beer drinkage).
#2 is gritty because it's the wrong way to open a bottle, you don't get to drink the beer, and skin + blood + glass shards = gritty.
We are on the same page.
How the fuck am I this late after the game the one to be bumping the thread for Javy's act of heroism today?
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 08, 2016, 06:58:22 PM
How the fuck am I this late after the game the one to be bumping the thread for Javy's act of heroism today?
Because you don't give a shit about your mother?
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 08, 2016, 06:58:22 PM
How the fuck am I this late after the game the one to be bumping the thread for Javy's act of heroism today?
Because you don't give a shit about your mother?
To be fair, I don't give a shit about his mother, either.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 08, 2016, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 08, 2016, 06:58:22 PM
How the fuck am I this late after the game the one to be bumping the thread for Javy's act of heroism today?
Because you don't give a shit about your mother?
No dbag, I was just finishing work and about to go the mom's.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 08, 2016, 06:58:22 PM
How the fuck am I this late after the game the one to be bumping the thread for Javy's act of heroism today?
Because you don't give a shit about your mother?
No dbag, I was just finishing work and about to go the mom's.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 08, 2016, 06:58:22 PM
How the fuck am I this late after the game the one to be bumping the thread for Javy's act of heroism today?
Because you don't give a shit about your mother?
No dbag, I was just finishing work and about to go the mom's.
Loor and I make go the mom's.
How the fuck has this thread ended up on Page 3?
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How the fuck has this thread ended up on Page 3?
Never again
If Javy can just hit league avg/oba/slg/ops he's gotta stay because his defense is fucking amazing. I know we've had a few great defenders, but this guy is ridiculous.
Grand slams are good for VORP. God I love Baez in the same way I loved Big Z.
Difference is that Baez doesn't seem to be the emo, hot-headed powderkeg and is will to play anywhere to help out.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on June 28, 2016, 11:21:10 PM
Difference is that Baez doesn't seem to be the emo, hot-headed powderkeg and is will to play anywhere to help out.
I AM ALSO WILL. #ALLWILLSMATTER
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on June 28, 2016, 11:21:10 PM
Difference is that Baez doesn't seem to be the emo, hot-headed powderkeg and is will to play anywhere to help out.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Z would have been fine with being an 4/5ths position player and 1/5ths starter.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on June 28, 2016, 11:21:10 PM
Difference is that Baez doesn't seem to be the emo, hot-headed powderkeg and is will to play anywhere to help out.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Z would have been fine with being an 4/5ths position player and 1/5ths starter.
I also remember him being surprisingly cool about being moved to the bullpen and back a couple of times in 2010.
Quote from: SKO on June 29, 2016, 08:05:06 AM
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on June 28, 2016, 11:21:10 PM
Difference is that Baez doesn't seem to be the emo, hot-headed powderkeg and is will to play anywhere to help out.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Z would have been fine with being an 4/5ths position player and 1/5ths starter.
I also remember him being surprisingly cool about being moved to the bullpen and back a couple of times in 2010.
I really liked Carlos. He would've been amazing, if he'd ever gotten control of his emotions.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on June 28, 2016, 11:21:10 PM
Difference is that Baez doesn't seem to be the emo, hot-headed powderkeg and is will to play anywhere to help out.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Z would have been fine with being an 4/5ths position player and 1/5ths starter.
I also remember him being surprisingly cool about being moved to the bullpen and back a couple of times in 2010.
I really liked Carlos. He would've been amazing, if he'd ever gotten control of his emotions.
Zambrano was worth 4.5 wins a year from age 22-25. He averaged 215 IP in that time period, all of it under Dusty Baker. His emotions were not the problem. He averaged well over 110 pitches per start in that time period. He was already on the decline by age 26 because he was ridden into the fucking ground. The emotions just became a convenient excuse once he'd already lost his stuff and struggled.
He needs a bad ass nickname.
Quote from: Slaky on June 29, 2016, 09:51:59 AM
He needs a bad ass nickname.
MLB.com dropped "Kiss it good-Baez". No.
Get fucked, Chuck.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on June 28, 2016, 11:21:10 PM
Difference is that Baez doesn't seem to be the emo, hot-headed powderkeg and is will to play anywhere to help out.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Z would have been fine with being an 4/5ths position player and 1/5ths starter.
I also remember him being surprisingly cool about being moved to the bullpen and back a couple of times in 2010.
I really liked Carlos. He would've been amazing, if he'd ever gotten control of his emotions.
Zambrano was worth 4.5 wins a year from age 22-25. He averaged 215 IP in that time period, all of it under Dusty Baker. His emotions were not the problem. He averaged well over 110 pitches per start in that time period. He was already on the decline by age 26 because he was ridden into the fucking ground. The emotions just became a convenient excuse once he'd already lost his stuff and struggled.
I know we like to bash Dusty for running pitchers in the ground, but what was he supposed to do with Carlos? He was not hurt, and made 129 starts over that time period. And I'm not sure where you're getting "Well over 110 pitches per start" stat. He pitched 109 pitches per outing. 14067 pitches over 129 outings. Adding in the 2003 playoffs makes it 14376 pitches in 132 starts: 108.84
Kershaw had 131 starts in his 22-25 year old seasons, 225 IP/season. He averaged 105 pitches in those 131 starts, and I don't think anyone is saying he got ran in to the ground. Adding in the playoffs, you're still at 105 pitches for 135 starts.
Bumgarner: 211 IP/season. 128 starts. 102.79 pitches per start. Adding in playoffs, you're at 138 starts with 102.10 pitches per outing (including the 5 inning save).
If your best pitcher is healthy, and gives you over 30 starts per year, I'm not sure what you're expecting. Comparing the pitches thrown, I guess you'd want to argue the 286 extra pitches over MadBum and the 235 extra pitches over Kershaw over that same period ruined Z. If you want to assume 250ish extra pitches killed him, then suit yourself, I guess.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on June 28, 2016, 11:21:10 PM
Difference is that Baez doesn't seem to be the emo, hot-headed powderkeg and is will to play anywhere to help out.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Z would have been fine with being an 4/5ths position player and 1/5ths starter.
I also remember him being surprisingly cool about being moved to the bullpen and back a couple of times in 2010.
I really liked Carlos. He would've been amazing, if he'd ever gotten control of his emotions.
Zambrano was worth 4.5 wins a year from age 22-25. He averaged 215 IP in that time period, all of it under Dusty Baker. His emotions were not the problem. He averaged well over 110 pitches per start in that time period. He was already on the decline by age 26 because he was ridden into the fucking ground. The emotions just became a convenient excuse once he'd already lost his stuff and struggled.
I know we like to bash Dusty for running pitchers in the ground, but what was he supposed to do with Carlos? He was not hurt, and made 129 starts over that time period. And I'm not sure where you're getting "Well over 110 pitches per start" stat. He pitched 109 pitches per outing. 14067 pitches over 129 outings. Adding in the 2003 playoffs makes it 14376 pitches in 132 starts: 108.84
Kershaw had 131 starts in his 22-25 year old seasons, 225 IP/season. He averaged 105 pitches in those 131 starts, and I don't think anyone is saying he got ran in to the ground. Adding in the playoffs, you're still at 105 pitches for 135 starts.
Bumgarner: 211 IP/season. 128 starts. 102.79 pitches per start. Adding in playoffs, you're at 138 starts with 102.10 pitches per outing (including the 5 inning save).
If your best pitcher is healthy, and gives you over 30 starts per year, I'm not sure what you're expecting. Comparing the pitches thrown, I guess you'd want to argue the 286 extra pitches over MadBum and the 235 extra pitches over Kershaw over that same period ruined Z. If you want to assume 250ish extra pitches killed him, then suit yourself, I guess.
Fair point, but despite the shot I took at Dusty my main argument was that I think Carlos was just going to decline at that point regardless. Not everyone really can stand up to that kind of workload for that long, regardless of if they seem to be able to or not. He was never the same guy after 2006, the control got worse and nagging injuries started, and yeah, he responded to struggles in about the worst way possible, I just resent the inference that Carlos "could have been great if he'd gotten a handle on his emotions".
He
was great, and then he wasn't. It's happened to hundreds of pitchers, most of whom weren't as hotheaded as Carlos.
A good example would be Lincecum. Great stuff, massive workload, wasn't really abused per se but then one day the stuff just disappeared despite no apparent injuries. Pitchers are good until they are not, Carlos' emotions be damned
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on June 28, 2016, 11:21:10 PM
Difference is that Baez doesn't seem to be the emo, hot-headed powderkeg and is will to play anywhere to help out.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Z would have been fine with being an 4/5ths position player and 1/5ths starter.
I also remember him being surprisingly cool about being moved to the bullpen and back a couple of times in 2010.
I really liked Carlos. He would've been amazing, if he'd ever gotten control of his emotions.
Zambrano was worth 4.5 wins a year from age 22-25. He averaged 215 IP in that time period, all of it under Dusty Baker. His emotions were not the problem. He averaged well over 110 pitches per start in that time period. He was already on the decline by age 26 because he was ridden into the fucking ground. The emotions just became a convenient excuse once he'd already lost his stuff and struggled.
I know we like to bash Dusty for running pitchers in the ground, but what was he supposed to do with Carlos? He was not hurt, and made 129 starts over that time period. And I'm not sure where you're getting "Well over 110 pitches per start" stat. He pitched 109 pitches per outing. 14067 pitches over 129 outings. Adding in the 2003 playoffs makes it 14376 pitches in 132 starts: 108.84
Kershaw had 131 starts in his 22-25 year old seasons, 225 IP/season. He averaged 105 pitches in those 131 starts, and I don't think anyone is saying he got ran in to the ground. Adding in the playoffs, you're still at 105 pitches for 135 starts.
Bumgarner: 211 IP/season. 128 starts. 102.79 pitches per start. Adding in playoffs, you're at 138 starts with 102.10 pitches per outing (including the 5 inning save).
If your best pitcher is healthy, and gives you over 30 starts per year, I'm not sure what you're expecting. Comparing the pitches thrown, I guess you'd want to argue the 286 extra pitches over MadBum and the 235 extra pitches over Kershaw over that same period ruined Z. If you want to assume 250ish extra pitches killed him, then suit yourself, I guess.
Fair point, but despite the shot I took at Dusty my main argument was that I think Carlos was just going to decline at that point regardless. Not everyone really can stand up to that kind of workload for that long, regardless of if they seem to be able to or not. He was never the same guy after 2006, the control got worse and nagging injuries started, and yeah, he responded to struggles in about the worst way possible, I just resent the inference that Carlos "could have been great if he'd gotten a handle on his emotions".
He was great, and then he wasn't. It's happened to hundreds of pitchers, most of whom weren't as hotheaded as Carlos.
A good example would be Lincecum. Great stuff, massive workload, wasn't really abused per se but then one day the stuff just disappeared despite no apparent injuries. Pitchers are good until they are not, Carlos' emotions be damned
I stand by my opinion, and I say that as someone who was about as big a Zambrano fan as possible. I mean, the guy inspired
both of my good photoshops.
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He needs a bad ass nickname.
MLB.com dropped "Kiss it good-Baez". No.
I don't think that was intended as a nickname. It seemed like a headline for the game story.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on June 28, 2016, 11:21:10 PM
Difference is that Baez doesn't seem to be the emo, hot-headed powderkeg and is will to play anywhere to help out.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Z would have been fine with being an 4/5ths position player and 1/5ths starter.
I also remember him being surprisingly cool about being moved to the bullpen and back a couple of times in 2010.
I really liked Carlos. He would've been amazing, if he'd ever gotten control of his emotions.
Zambrano was worth 4.5 wins a year from age 22-25. He averaged 215 IP in that time period, all of it under Dusty Baker. His emotions were not the problem. He averaged well over 110 pitches per start in that time period. He was already on the decline by age 26 because he was ridden into the fucking ground. The emotions just became a convenient excuse once he'd already lost his stuff and struggled.
I know we like to bash Dusty for running pitchers in the ground, but what was he supposed to do with Carlos? He was not hurt, and made 129 starts over that time period. And I'm not sure where you're getting "Well over 110 pitches per start" stat. He pitched 109 pitches per outing. 14067 pitches over 129 outings. Adding in the 2003 playoffs makes it 14376 pitches in 132 starts: 108.84
Kershaw had 131 starts in his 22-25 year old seasons, 225 IP/season. He averaged 105 pitches in those 131 starts, and I don't think anyone is saying he got ran in to the ground. Adding in the playoffs, you're still at 105 pitches for 135 starts.
Bumgarner: 211 IP/season. 128 starts. 102.79 pitches per start. Adding in playoffs, you're at 138 starts with 102.10 pitches per outing (including the 5 inning save).
If your best pitcher is healthy, and gives you over 30 starts per year, I'm not sure what you're expecting. Comparing the pitches thrown, I guess you'd want to argue the 286 extra pitches over MadBum and the 235 extra pitches over Kershaw over that same period ruined Z. If you want to assume 250ish extra pitches killed him, then suit yourself, I guess.
Fair point, but despite the shot I took at Dusty my main argument was that I think Carlos was just going to decline at that point regardless. Not everyone really can stand up to that kind of workload for that long, regardless of if they seem to be able to or not. He was never the same guy after 2006, the control got worse and nagging injuries started, and yeah, he responded to struggles in about the worst way possible, I just resent the inference that Carlos "could have been great if he'd gotten a handle on his emotions".
He was great, and then he wasn't. It's happened to hundreds of pitchers, most of whom weren't as hotheaded as Carlos.
A good example would be Lincecum. Great stuff, massive workload, wasn't really abused per se but then one day the stuff just disappeared despite no apparent injuries. Pitchers are good until they are not, Carlos' emotions be damned
I think Carlos was more than his emotions. I remember talk that his overall nutrition was shit. I have no room to talk, but I'm not an athlete making millions off my body. I suspect Carlos was stubborn, dumb and a little crazy. That attitude made him endearing to us while he was good, but if he didn't take care of himself, then it would make sense that his career nose-dived like it did. He had an ERA+ of 127 in 2010 and pitched his last game in 2012.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on June 25, 2016, 12:12:06 PM
If Javy can just hit league avg/oba/slg/ops he's gotta stay because his defense is fucking amazing. I know we've had a few great defenders, but this guy is ridiculous.
OPS+ is up to 99. Is that league average enough?
What the fuck was the launch angle on that home run?
Anybody that thinks the Cubs would trade this guy is an absolute dolt.
Among all MLB hitters with at least 80 PAs against lefties, Javy is 5th in wRC+ (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=80&type=1&season=2016&month=13&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0). Right in between Goldschmidt and Donaldson, and even better than Bryant. Not a bad guy to have on the playoff roster against guys like Kershaw and Bumgarner.
Quote from: R-V on July 19, 2016, 09:16:48 AM
Among all MLB hitters with at least 80 PAs against lefties, Javy is 5th in wRC+ (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=80&type=1&season=2016&month=13&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0). Right in between Goldschmidt and Donaldson, and even better than Bryant. Not a bad guy to have on the playoff roster against guys like Kershaw and Bumgarner.
It's really cool to watch Javy develop as a player. He's basically going to be a 3 win player this year as a super sub, and you can tell he's only beginning to scratch the surface. He's focused on not striking out so he's making contact with a lot of bad pitches, but he's started walking a touch more of late and you hope eventually he'll learn he can wait for that one pitch to drive and the 40 homer potential we all know is there will start to surface. He's maybe the most exciting player on the team already and I'm daring to let myself dream that in a year or two he could be the 35-40 homer middle infield unicorn everyone said he could but most likely never would be due to the contact issues.
Quote from: R-V on July 19, 2016, 09:16:48 AM
Among all MLB hitters with at least 80 PAs against lefties, Javy is 5th in wRC+ (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=80&type=1&season=2016&month=13&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0). Right in between Goldschmidt and Donaldson, and even better than Bryant. Not a bad guy to have on the playoff roster against guys like Kershaw and Bumgarner.
Not a big difference but, for the record, he's 5th in wOBA. He's 4th in wRC+.
Someone finally remembered they're facing a bum.
ANTHONY RANAUDO SUCKS!
.287/.327/.474/.801, 113 wRC+, .342 wOBA, 1.9 fWAR in 84 games, all while being the most exciting, flashy player I can remember the Cubs having in my lifetime. He rules.
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 19, 2016, 09:16:48 AM
Among all MLB hitters with at least 80 PAs against lefties, Javy is 5th in wRC+ (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=80&type=1&season=2016&month=13&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0). Right in between Goldschmidt and Donaldson, and even better than Bryant. Not a bad guy to have on the playoff roster against guys like Kershaw and Bumgarner.
It's really cool to watch Javy develop as a player. He's basically going to be a 3 win player this year as a super sub, and you can tell he's only beginning to scratch the surface. He's focused on not striking out so he's making contact with a lot of bad pitches, but he's started walking a touch more of late and you hope eventually he'll learn he can wait for that one pitch to drive and the 40 homer potential we all know is there will start to surface. He's maybe the most exciting player on the team already and I'm daring to let myself dream that in a year or two he could be the 35-40 homer middle infield unicorn everyone said he could but most likely never would be due to the contact issues.
If Hendry was still the GM, I have a feeling he'd end up going down the Ryan Harvey path. Which I think leads to a Shoney's somewhere. God I love Theo.
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2016, 07:59:45 AM
.287/.327/.471/.801, 113 wRC+, .342 wOBA, 1.9 fWAR in 84 games, all while being the most exciting, flashy player I can remember the Cubs having in my lifetime. He rules.
These ... do not add up. But Javy still rules.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 28, 2016, 09:08:57 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2016, 07:59:45 AM
.287/.327/.471/.801, 113 wRC+, .342 wOBA, 1.9 fWAR in 84 games, all while being the most exciting, flashy player I can remember the Cubs having in my lifetime. He rules.
These ... do not add up. But Javy still rules.
Sorry. It's .474 slg. Typo.
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2016, 09:12:50 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 28, 2016, 09:08:57 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2016, 07:59:45 AM
.287/.327/.471/.801, 113 wRC+, .342 wOBA, 1.9 fWAR in 84 games, all while being the most exciting, flashy player I can remember the Cubs having in my lifetime. He rules.
These ... do not add up. But Javy still rules.
Sorry. It's .474 slg. Typo.
Thank goodness Sterling caught that error and it was corrected.
Quote from: D. Doluntap on July 28, 2016, 09:08:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 19, 2016, 09:16:48 AM
Among all MLB hitters with at least 80 PAs against lefties, Javy is 5th in wRC+ (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=80&type=1&season=2016&month=13&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0). Right in between Goldschmidt and Donaldson, and even better than Bryant. Not a bad guy to have on the playoff roster against guys like Kershaw and Bumgarner.
It's really cool to watch Javy develop as a player. He's basically going to be a 3 win player this year as a super sub, and you can tell he's only beginning to scratch the surface. He's focused on not striking out so he's making contact with a lot of bad pitches, but he's started walking a touch more of late and you hope eventually he'll learn he can wait for that one pitch to drive and the 40 homer potential we all know is there will start to surface. He's maybe the most exciting player on the team already and I'm daring to let myself dream that in a year or two he could be the 35-40 homer middle infield unicorn everyone said he could but most likely never would be due to the contact issues.
If Hendry was still the GM, I have a feeling he'd end up going down the Ryan Harvey path. Which I think leads to a Shoney's somewhere. God I love Theo.
To be fair to Hendry, it's extremely rare that any organization takes a free swinger like Javy and fixes them to this extent. It's why almost every projection by every system after 2014 basically wrote Javy off. It takes a special organization, coaching staff, and player to make the kind of changes he has made.
To be unfair to Hendry, Theo and Co. also sent Baez back to the minors, kept him there even while he was raking because they knew his swing changes weren't all the way there yet, and only called him up once they felt he could be successful. Contrast that to Corey Patterson getting promoted rapidly through the minors despite never performing well above A Ball and then getting a guaranteed major league job for four years despite never actually making any noticeable adjustments or indicating he even cared to try.
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2016, 09:45:14 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on July 28, 2016, 09:08:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 19, 2016, 09:16:48 AM
Among all MLB hitters with at least 80 PAs against lefties, Javy is 5th in wRC+ (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=80&type=1&season=2016&month=13&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0). Right in between Goldschmidt and Donaldson, and even better than Bryant. Not a bad guy to have on the playoff roster against guys like Kershaw and Bumgarner.
It's really cool to watch Javy develop as a player. He's basically going to be a 3 win player this year as a super sub, and you can tell he's only beginning to scratch the surface. He's focused on not striking out so he's making contact with a lot of bad pitches, but he's started walking a touch more of late and you hope eventually he'll learn he can wait for that one pitch to drive and the 40 homer potential we all know is there will start to surface. He's maybe the most exciting player on the team already and I'm daring to let myself dream that in a year or two he could be the 35-40 homer middle infield unicorn everyone said he could but most likely never would be due to the contact issues.
If Hendry was still the GM, I have a feeling he'd end up going down the Ryan Harvey path. Which I think leads to a Shoney's somewhere. God I love Theo.
To be fair to Hendry, it's extremely rare that any organization takes a free swinger like Javy and fixes them to this extent. It's why almost every projection by every system after 2014 basically wrote Javy off. It takes a special organization, coaching staff, and player to make the kind of changes he has made.
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That's correct and all...but I stopped being fair to Hendry ages ago. Sometime around the "Lemons" bench era.
Hahahahahahahaha
This Fucking Guy
Let's enjoy. (http://www.cubsinsider.com/javy-baez-best-defensive-plays-2016-ranked/)
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 09, 2016, 09:38:24 AM
Let's enjoy. (http://www.cubsinsider.com/javy-baez-best-defensive-plays-2016-ranked/)
I'll never get sick of watching those. Does it seem that like 9 or so of the 12 were in Hendricks' games?
Quote from: Oleg on August 09, 2016, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 09, 2016, 09:38:24 AM
Let's enjoy. (http://www.cubsinsider.com/javy-baez-best-defensive-plays-2016-ranked/)
I'll never get sick of watching those. Does it seem that like 9 or so of the 12 were in Hendricks' games?
He could win a gold glove, but at which position?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 09, 2016, 10:01:18 AM
Quote from: Oleg on August 09, 2016, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 09, 2016, 09:38:24 AM
Let's enjoy. (http://www.cubsinsider.com/javy-baez-best-defensive-plays-2016-ranked/)
I'll never get sick of watching those. Does it seem that like 9 or so of the 12 were in Hendricks' games?
He could win a gold glove, but at which position?
All of them.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 09, 2016, 09:38:24 AM
Let's enjoy. (http://www.cubsinsider.com/javy-baez-best-defensive-plays-2016-ranked/)
Where does he win his Gold Glove?
EDIT: He should win a Gold Glove at 3B, SS and 2B.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 10:06:46 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 09, 2016, 09:38:24 AM
Let's enjoy. (http://www.cubsinsider.com/javy-baez-best-defensive-plays-2016-ranked/)
Where does he win his Gold Glove?
EDIT: He should win a Gold Glove at 3B, SS and 2B.
Classic GOLDGLOVEFACE
God damn I love him
He made an awesome bare hand throw on a slow dribbler to third Monday night, and then last night turning that bunt into a double play with an amazingly quick and accurate laser to second base also gave me a tingling in my loins. I have never before been excited about the prospect of watching someone field a bunt but any time I know there's a chance the ball is coming his way I can't wait to see what's going to happen.
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 08:25:33 AM
He made an awesome bare hand throw on a slow dribbler to third Monday night, and then last night turning that bunt into a double play with an amazingly quick and accurate laser to second base also gave me a tingling in my loins. I have never before been excited about the prospect of watching someone field a bunt but any time I know there's a chance the ball is coming his way I can't wait to see what's going to happen.
He makes me forget about that 19 year old that went to New York... What's his name? It ain't Javy Baez, that's for sure.
Quote from: Yeti on August 24, 2016, 08:29:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 08:25:33 AM
He made an awesome bare hand throw on a slow dribbler to third Monday night, and then last night turning that bunt into a double play with an amazingly quick and accurate laser to second base also gave me a tingling in my loins. I have never before been excited about the prospect of watching someone field a bunt but any time I know there's a chance the ball is coming his way I can't wait to see what's going to happen.
He makes me forget about that 19 year old that went to New York... What's his name? It ain't Javy Baez, that's for sure.
Also, with a Rizzo, Baez, Russell, Bryant infield, that average age is 23.75. Epstink is wonderful.
Quote from: Yeti on August 24, 2016, 08:31:34 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 24, 2016, 08:29:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 08:25:33 AM
He made an awesome bare hand throw on a slow dribbler to third Monday night, and then last night turning that bunt into a double play with an amazingly quick and accurate laser to second base also gave me a tingling in my loins. I have never before been excited about the prospect of watching someone field a bunt but any time I know there's a chance the ball is coming his way I can't wait to see what's going to happen.
He makes me forget about that 19 year old that went to New York... What's his name? It ain't Javy Baez, that's for sure.
Also, with a Rizzo, Baez, Russell, Bryant infield, that average age is 23.75. Epstink is wonderful.
Old Man Rizzo, dragging them down.
Quote from: Canadouche on August 24, 2016, 09:16:25 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 24, 2016, 08:31:34 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 24, 2016, 08:29:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 08:25:33 AM
He made an awesome bare hand throw on a slow dribbler to third Monday night, and then last night turning that bunt into a double play with an amazingly quick and accurate laser to second base also gave me a tingling in my loins. I have never before been excited about the prospect of watching someone field a bunt but any time I know there's a chance the ball is coming his way I can't wait to see what's going to happen.
He makes me forget about that 19 year old that went to New York... What's his name? It ain't Javy Baez, that's for sure.
Also, with a Rizzo, Baez, Russell, Bryant infield, that average age is 23.75. Epstink is wonderful.
Old Man Rizzo, dragging them down.
well, up, actually
Quote from: Yeti on August 24, 2016, 08:31:34 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 24, 2016, 08:29:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 08:25:33 AM
He made an awesome bare hand throw on a slow dribbler to third Monday night, and then last night turning that bunt into a double play with an amazingly quick and accurate laser to second base also gave me a tingling in my loins. I have never before been excited about the prospect of watching someone field a bunt but any time I know there's a chance the ball is coming his way I can't wait to see what's going to happen.
He makes me forget about that 19 year old that went to New York... What's his name? It ain't Javy Baez, that's for sure.
Also, with a Rizzo, Baez, Russell, Bryant infield, that average age is 23.75. Epstink is wonderful.
So we can look forward to four to five years of them
improving? Holy fucking shit, the rest of the National League is going to be sick to the back teeth of them by then.
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 08:25:33 AM
He made an awesome bare hand throw on a slow dribbler to third Monday night, and then last night turning that bunt into a double play with an amazingly quick and accurate laser to second base also gave me a tingling in my loins. I have never before been excited about the prospect of watching someone field a bunt but any time I know there's a chance the ball is coming his way I can't wait to see what's going to happen.
Not mentioned: his barehand catch of a weak Russell shuttle pass to turn a DP as well as his ridiculously quick pivot on a 5-4-3 a few innings later.
Quote from: Tonker on August 24, 2016, 09:37:26 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 24, 2016, 08:31:34 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 24, 2016, 08:29:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 08:25:33 AM
He made an awesome bare hand throw on a slow dribbler to third Monday night, and then last night turning that bunt into a double play with an amazingly quick and accurate laser to second base also gave me a tingling in my loins. I have never before been excited about the prospect of watching someone field a bunt but any time I know there's a chance the ball is coming his way I can't wait to see what's going to happen.
He makes me forget about that 19 year old that went to New York... What's his name? It ain't Javy Baez, that's for sure.
Also, with a Rizzo, Baez, Russell, Bryant infield, that average age is 23.75. Epstink is wonderful.
So we can look forward to four to five years of them improving? Holy fucking shit, the rest of the National League is going to be sick to the back teeth of them by then.
My guess is we're nearing Peak Rizzo, simply because I don't see how he could possibly get better now that he appears to be beating the shift and hitting for average in addition to everything else, and honestly hard to see how Bryant could be better than the goddamn 9 win player he's potentially going to be this year, but I definitely don't think we're anywhere near the best of what Russell can be yet (I'm still on team Addy for NL MVP in 2018) and we know there's a lot more power for Javy to tap into as he continues to become a more disciplined hitter. Exciting shit.
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 09:40:48 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 24, 2016, 09:37:26 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 24, 2016, 08:31:34 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 24, 2016, 08:29:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 08:25:33 AM
He made an awesome bare hand throw on a slow dribbler to third Monday night, and then last night turning that bunt into a double play with an amazingly quick and accurate laser to second base also gave me a tingling in my loins. I have never before been excited about the prospect of watching someone field a bunt but any time I know there's a chance the ball is coming his way I can't wait to see what's going to happen.
He makes me forget about that 19 year old that went to New York... What's his name? It ain't Javy Baez, that's for sure.
Also, with a Rizzo, Baez, Russell, Bryant infield, that average age is 23.75. Epstink is wonderful.
So we can look forward to four to five years of them improving? Holy fucking shit, the rest of the National League is going to be sick to the back teeth of them by then.
My guess is we're nearing Peak Rizzo, simply because I don't see how he could possibly get better now that he appears to be beating the shift and hitting for average in addition to everything else, and honestly hard to see how Bryant could be better than the goddamn 9 win player he's potentially going to be this year, but I definitely don't think we're anywhere near the best of what Russell can be yet (I'm still on team Addy for NL MVP in 2018) and we know there's a lot more power for Javy to tap into as he continues to become a more disciplined hitter. Exciting shit.
Yeah. The trend these days for most players is they hit peak production immediately or within their first few years in the league (source (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hitters-no-longer-peak-only-decline/)). It's not true of everyone, of course, but Mike Trout is a good illustration -- he came in as a 10-win player and people thought he'd get even better and end up being a 12-win player someday, but he's "only" been an 8-9 win player the past few years.
That doesn't mean he won't someday have an outlier 12-win season, but it's probably not going to be his norm. Similarly, we shouldn't assume all of these young guys on the Cubs will keep trending up for several more years. Which means we can still expect a lot of 6-9 win seasons from Bryant, Rizzo and maybe even Russell.
Nice.
Quote from: Eli on August 24, 2016, 01:28:26 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 09:40:48 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 24, 2016, 09:37:26 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 24, 2016, 08:31:34 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 24, 2016, 08:29:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 08:25:33 AM
He made an awesome bare hand throw on a slow dribbler to third Monday night, and then last night turning that bunt into a double play with an amazingly quick and accurate laser to second base also gave me a tingling in my loins. I have never before been excited about the prospect of watching someone field a bunt but any time I know there's a chance the ball is coming his way I can't wait to see what's going to happen.
He makes me forget about that 19 year old that went to New York... What's his name? It ain't Javy Baez, that's for sure.
Also, with a Rizzo, Baez, Russell, Bryant infield, that average age is 23.75. Epstink is wonderful.
So we can look forward to four to five years of them improving? Holy fucking shit, the rest of the National League is going to be sick to the back teeth of them by then.
My guess is we're nearing Peak Rizzo, simply because I don't see how he could possibly get better now that he appears to be beating the shift and hitting for average in addition to everything else, and honestly hard to see how Bryant could be better than the goddamn 9 win player he's potentially going to be this year, but I definitely don't think we're anywhere near the best of what Russell can be yet (I'm still on team Addy for NL MVP in 2018) and we know there's a lot more power for Javy to tap into as he continues to become a more disciplined hitter. Exciting shit.
Yeah. The trend these days for most players is they hit peak production immediately or within their first few years in the league (source (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hitters-no-longer-peak-only-decline/)). It's not true of everyone, of course, but Mike Trout is a good illustration -- he came in as a 10-win player and people thought he'd get even better and end up being a 12-win player someday, but he's "only" been an 8-9 win player the past few years.
That doesn't mean he won't someday have an outlier 12-win season, but it's probably not going to be his norm. Similarly, we shouldn't assume all of these young guys on the Cubs will keep trending up for several more years. Which means we can still expect a lot of 6-9 win seasons from Bryant, Rizzo and maybe even Russell.
Nice.
Nice
Quote from: Eli on August 24, 2016, 01:28:26 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 09:40:48 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 24, 2016, 09:37:26 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 24, 2016, 08:31:34 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 24, 2016, 08:29:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 08:25:33 AM
He made an awesome bare hand throw on a slow dribbler to third Monday night, and then last night turning that bunt into a double play with an amazingly quick and accurate laser to second base also gave me a tingling in my loins. I have never before been excited about the prospect of watching someone field a bunt but any time I know there's a chance the ball is coming his way I can't wait to see what's going to happen.
He makes me forget about that 19 year old that went to New York... What's his name? It ain't Javy Baez, that's for sure.
Also, with a Rizzo, Baez, Russell, Bryant infield, that average age is 23.75. Epstink is wonderful.
So we can look forward to four to five years of them improving? Holy fucking shit, the rest of the National League is going to be sick to the back teeth of them by then.
My guess is we're nearing Peak Rizzo, simply because I don't see how he could possibly get better now that he appears to be beating the shift and hitting for average in addition to everything else, and honestly hard to see how Bryant could be better than the goddamn 9 win player he's potentially going to be this year, but I definitely don't think we're anywhere near the best of what Russell can be yet (I'm still on team Addy for NL MVP in 2018) and we know there's a lot more power for Javy to tap into as he continues to become a more disciplined hitter. Exciting shit.
Yeah. The trend these days for most players is they hit peak production immediately or within their first few years in the league (source (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hitters-no-longer-peak-only-decline/)). It's not true of everyone, of course, but Mike Trout is a good illustration -- he came in as a 10-win player and people thought he'd get even better and end up being a 12-win player someday, but he's "only" been an 8-9 win player the past few years.
That doesn't mean he won't someday have an outlier 12-win season, but it's probably not going to be his norm. Similarly, we shouldn't assume all of these young guys on the Cubs will keep trending up for several more years. Which means we can still expect a lot of 6-9 win seasons from Bryant, Rizzo and maybe even Russell.
Nice.
Nice.
Yeah, I'd say by year three or about 1500 PAs you have the guy you're going to get. Anthony had his struggles in 2013 but while he's made tweaks he pretty much established who he was going to be in 2014. Bryant came into the league about as polished as a hitter can be so I really don't think he has another level after where he is right now (which is an 8 win player so no problems there). Addison's still trending in the right direction but I'd bet wherever he ends up next year is probably what he's going to be for most of his prime.
Javy is the wildcard here because his ceiling is so insanely high and his career track so far has been so atypical. History basically told us that a guy with his power and his contact issues would be lucky to be Mark Reynolds, and yet he's somehow reinvented himself as a guy who hits for average. I have no idea where he's going to go. He could stay this nice 3-4 win super utility guy or he could really start to tap into that 40 homer potential and be a Unicorn.
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Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 08:25:33 AM
He made an awesome bare hand throw on a slow dribbler to third Monday night, and then last night turning that bunt into a double play with an amazingly quick and accurate laser to second base also gave me a tingling in my loins. I have never before been excited about the prospect of watching someone field a bunt but any time I know there's a chance the ball is coming his way I can't wait to see what's going to happen.
He makes me forget about that 19 year old that went to New York... What's his name? It ain't Javy Baez, that's for sure.
Also, with a Rizzo, Baez, Russell, Bryant infield, that average age is 23.75. Epstink is wonderful.
So we can look forward to four to five years of them improving? Holy fucking shit, the rest of the National League is going to be sick to the back teeth of them by then.
My guess is we're nearing Peak Rizzo, simply because I don't see how he could possibly get better now that he appears to be beating the shift and hitting for average in addition to everything else, and honestly hard to see how Bryant could be better than the goddamn 9 win player he's potentially going to be this year, but I definitely don't think we're anywhere near the best of what Russell can be yet (I'm still on team Addy for NL MVP in 2018) and we know there's a lot more power for Javy to tap into as he continues to become a more disciplined hitter. Exciting shit.
Yeah. The trend these days for most players is they hit peak production immediately or within their first few years in the league (source (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hitters-no-longer-peak-only-decline/)). It's not true of everyone, of course, but Mike Trout is a good illustration -- he came in as a 10-win player and people thought he'd get even better and end up being a 12-win player someday, but he's "only" been an 8-9 win player the past few years.
That doesn't mean he won't someday have an outlier 12-win season, but it's probably not going to be his norm. Similarly, we shouldn't assume all of these young guys on the Cubs will keep trending up for several more years. Which means we can still expect a lot of 6-9 win seasons from Bryant, Rizzo and maybe even Russell.
Nice.
Nice
(http://i.imgur.com/bE65jZH.jpg)
Intrepid Reader: Ghost of Lou Brown
Nice play, Javy. Don't ever fucking do it again.
Quote from: ChuckD on September 03, 2016, 02:57:25 PM
Intrepid Reader: Ghost of Lou Brown
Nice play, Javy. Don't ever fucking do it again.
For a fat kid, he can move.
Quote from: Tonker on September 03, 2016, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 03, 2016, 02:57:25 PM
Intrepid Reader: Ghost of Lou Brown
Nice play, Javy. Don't ever fucking do it again.
For a fat kid, he can move.
I hope he's got an extra pair of board shorts I can borrow. [/facebook]
Quote from: Bort on September 03, 2016, 03:16:25 PM
Quote from: Tonker on September 03, 2016, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 03, 2016, 02:57:25 PM
Intrepid Reader: Ghost of Lou Brown
Nice play, Javy. Don't ever fucking do it again.
For a fat kid, he can move.
I hope he's got an extra pair of board shorts I can borrow. [/facebook]
Fuck me. I swaw that you'd posted in this thread and my immediate thought was "I don't care what Bort's written, I'm going to bring that sumbitch back to board shorts".
Quote from: Tonker on September 03, 2016, 03:20:49 PM
Quote from: Bort on September 03, 2016, 03:16:25 PM
Quote from: Tonker on September 03, 2016, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 03, 2016, 02:57:25 PM
Intrepid Reader: Ghost of Lou Brown
Nice play, Javy. Don't ever fucking do it again.
For a fat kid, he can move.
I hope he's got an extra pair of board shorts I can borrow. [/facebook]
Fuck me. I swaw that you'd posted in this thread and my immediate thought was "I don't care what Bort's written, I'm going to bring that sumbitch back to board shorts".
I'm using internet meme judo.
Javy smash!
2.7 fWAR in just 435 PAs seems good. He's 6th on this team in position player WAR (Bryant/Rizzo/Russell/Fowler/Russell/Zobrist), but he's 45th overall in the NL as a part time player. Cardinals Franchise Savior Who Is Better Than Kris Bryant According to Trueblood Stephen Piscotty has managed 2.7 fWAR in almost 200 more plate appearances. Matt Carpenter Who Is Also Better Than Kris Bryant has managed 2.8 fWAR in about 100 more plate appearances.
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 09:29:56 AM
2.7 fWAR in just 435 PAs seems good. He's 6th on this team in position player WAR (Bryant/Rizzo/Russell/Fowler/Russell/Zobrist), but he's 45th overall in the NL as a part time player. Cardinals Franchise Savior Who Is Better Than Kris Bryant According to Trueblood Stephen Piscotty has managed 2.7 fWAR in almost 200 more plate appearances. Matt Carpenter Who Is Also Better Than Kris Bryant has managed 2.8 fWAR in about 100 more plate appearances.
Some more digging...Javy would rank second on the Cardinals to Carpenter, third on the Mets (just a half win behind leader Cespedes at 3.2), second on the White Sox behind Eaton, and he would lead the A's, Royals, and Yankees in position player fWAR. He's a utility player on this team. God damn.
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 09:29:56 AM
2.7 fWAR in just 435 PAs seems good. He's 6th on this team in position player WAR (Bryant/Rizzo/Russell/Fowler/Russell/Zobrist), but he's 45th overall in the NL as a part time player. Cardinals Franchise Savior Who Is Better Than Kris Bryant According to Trueblood Stephen Piscotty has managed 2.7 fWAR in almost 200 more plate appearances. Matt Carpenter Who Is Also Better Than Kris Bryant has managed 2.8 fWAR in about 100 more plate appearances.
Some more digging...Javy would rank second on the Cardinals to Carpenter, third on the Mets (just a half win behind leader Cespedes at 3.2), second on the White Sox behind Eaton, and he would lead the A's, Royals, and Yankees in position player fWAR. He's a utility player on this team. God damn.
If Soler can't answer the bell for the NLDS, Baez gets to start. The depth of this team is insane.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 27, 2016, 10:50:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 09:29:56 AM
2.7 fWAR in just 435 PAs seems good. He's 6th on this team in position player WAR (Bryant/Rizzo/Russell/Fowler/Russell/Zobrist), but he's 45th overall in the NL as a part time player. Cardinals Franchise Savior Who Is Better Than Kris Bryant According to Trueblood Stephen Piscotty has managed 2.7 fWAR in almost 200 more plate appearances. Matt Carpenter Who Is Also Better Than Kris Bryant has managed 2.8 fWAR in about 100 more plate appearances.
Some more digging...Javy would rank second on the Cardinals to Carpenter, third on the Mets (just a half win behind leader Cespedes at 3.2), second on the White Sox behind Eaton, and he would lead the A's, Royals, and Yankees in position player fWAR. He's a utility player on this team. God damn.
If Soler can't answer the bell for the NLDS, Baez gets to start. The depth of this team is insane.
Or, god help me, Coghlan, who now *vomits* has *vomits some more* managed to *coughs up lung* put up a 114 wRC+ and a .395 OBP as a Cub so far *passes out*
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 10:53:41 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 27, 2016, 10:50:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 09:29:56 AM
2.7 fWAR in just 435 PAs seems good. He's 6th on this team in position player WAR (Bryant/Rizzo/Russell/Fowler/Russell/Zobrist), but he's 45th overall in the NL as a part time player. Cardinals Franchise Savior Who Is Better Than Kris Bryant According to Trueblood Stephen Piscotty has managed 2.7 fWAR in almost 200 more plate appearances. Matt Carpenter Who Is Also Better Than Kris Bryant has managed 2.8 fWAR in about 100 more plate appearances.
Some more digging...Javy would rank second on the Cardinals to Carpenter, third on the Mets (just a half win behind leader Cespedes at 3.2), second on the White Sox behind Eaton, and he would lead the A's, Royals, and Yankees in position player fWAR. He's a utility player on this team. God damn.
If Soler can't answer the bell for the NLDS, Baez gets to start. The depth of this team is insane.
Or, god help me, Coghlan, who now *vomits* has *vomits some more* managed to *coughs up lung* put up a 114 wRC+ and a .395 OBP as a Cub so far *passes out*
Either Bryant or Zobrist in LF with Baez taking their place in the infield will be the option Joe will go with, as the games will count once again.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 27, 2016, 10:56:32 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 10:53:41 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 27, 2016, 10:50:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 09:29:56 AM
2.7 fWAR in just 435 PAs seems good. He's 6th on this team in position player WAR (Bryant/Rizzo/Russell/Fowler/Russell/Zobrist), but he's 45th overall in the NL as a part time player. Cardinals Franchise Savior Who Is Better Than Kris Bryant According to Trueblood Stephen Piscotty has managed 2.7 fWAR in almost 200 more plate appearances. Matt Carpenter Who Is Also Better Than Kris Bryant has managed 2.8 fWAR in about 100 more plate appearances.
Some more digging...Javy would rank second on the Cardinals to Carpenter, third on the Mets (just a half win behind leader Cespedes at 3.2), second on the White Sox behind Eaton, and he would lead the A's, Royals, and Yankees in position player fWAR. He's a utility player on this team. God damn.
If Soler can't answer the bell for the NLDS, Baez gets to start. The depth of this team is insane.
Or, god help me, Coghlan, who now *vomits* has *vomits some more* managed to *coughs up lung* put up a 114 wRC+ and a .395 OBP as a Cub so far *passes out*
Either Bryant or Zobrist in LF with Baez taking their place in the infield will be the option Joe will go with, as the games will count once again.
Probably, but Joe does like Coghlan a lot, or else he wouldn't still be on the roster. Coghlan is slashing .304/.420/.446/.867 since the break. I'm just preparing myself so that when I see Coghlan listed in the lineup for game 1 of the NLDS I don't immediately go for the razor blades.
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 11:01:36 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 27, 2016, 10:56:32 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 10:53:41 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 27, 2016, 10:50:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 09:29:56 AM
2.7 fWAR in just 435 PAs seems good. He's 6th on this team in position player WAR (Bryant/Rizzo/Russell/Fowler/Russell/Zobrist), but he's 45th overall in the NL as a part time player. Cardinals Franchise Savior Who Is Better Than Kris Bryant According to Trueblood Stephen Piscotty has managed 2.7 fWAR in almost 200 more plate appearances. Matt Carpenter Who Is Also Better Than Kris Bryant has managed 2.8 fWAR in about 100 more plate appearances.
Some more digging...Javy would rank second on the Cardinals to Carpenter, third on the Mets (just a half win behind leader Cespedes at 3.2), second on the White Sox behind Eaton, and he would lead the A's, Royals, and Yankees in position player fWAR. He's a utility player on this team. God damn.
If Soler can't answer the bell for the NLDS, Baez gets to start. The depth of this team is insane.
Or, god help me, Coghlan, who now *vomits* has *vomits some more* managed to *coughs up lung* put up a 114 wRC+ and a .395 OBP as a Cub so far *passes out*
Either Bryant or Zobrist in LF with Baez taking their place in the infield will be the option Joe will go with, as the games will count once again.
Probably, but Joe does like Coghlan a lot, or else he wouldn't still be on the roster. Coghlan is slashing .304/.420/.446/.867 since the break. I'm just preparing myself so that when I see Coghlan listed in the lineup for game 1 of the NLDS I don't immediately go for the razor blades.
That's funny that you think we'd believe you own a razor.
Hardest hit basket shot in history.
Quote from: Brownie on October 07, 2016, 10:34:00 PM
Hardest hit basket shot in history.
Baez Boulevard. /Joe Morgan
DPD. Fuck Johnny Cueto's quick pitch.
TPD. This fucking guy.
He's a MOTHERFUCKING SORCERER!
So fitting that he had that hit. Eat shit, Hunter
I can't remember if there's an NLDS MVP, but he def earned it. And if he's not the best defender in Cubs history, or at least the last 40 yrs I have no clue who is. That play tonight was one of the most ridiculous I've ever seen.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 12, 2016, 12:01:11 AM
That play tonight was one of the most ridiculous I've ever seen since last night when he made an almost identical play.
I truly feel that the Cubs need to do some very creative juggling to ensure that he starts regularly next year. He and Russell could be a gold glove double play combo, and he is undoubtedly the most fun player to watch right now. He's incredible.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 12, 2016, 07:15:26 AM
I truly feel that the Cubs need to do some very creative juggling to ensure that he starts regularly next year. He and Russell could be a gold glove double play combo, and he is undoubtedly the most fun player to watch right now. He's incredible.
Well he managed to get into a 142 games and get 450 PA this year, Zobrist is going to get another year older and probably need more rest. I'm not worried about that. They'll find plenty of opportunities.
Is it sacrilege yet to say he might be better than Ryno?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 12, 2016, 03:16:09 PM
Is it sacrilege yet to say he might be better than Ryno?
Might be? No.
Is? Definitely.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 12, 2016, 03:16:09 PM
Is it sacrilege yet to say he might be better than Ryno?
Might be? No.
Is? Definitely.
I was gonna laugh and say "goddammit, Fork" but actually Javy's been about as good through age 23, if not better, than Ryno was. So if 2017 is gonna be Javy's 1984, I'll take it.
I do think he is the most talented Cubs player I've ever seen. Whether he ever lives up to that potential offensively is another question.
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 12, 2016, 03:16:09 PM
Is it sacrilege yet to say he might be better than Ryno?
Might be? No.
Is? Definitely.
I was gonna laugh and say "goddammit, Fork" but actually Javy's been about as good through age 23, if not better, than Ryno was. So if 2017 is gonna be Javy's 1984, I'll take it.
I do think he is the most talented Cubs player I've ever seen. Whether he ever lives up to that potential offensively is another question.
Ryno at 23 was rather pedestrian.
It's when he turned 24 that his career took off.
Seems a little soon for the comparison but Baez definitely appears to be in Sandberg's class defensively.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 12, 2016, 03:16:09 PM
Is it sacrilege yet to say he might be better than Ryno?
Might be? No.
Is? Definitely.
I was gonna laugh and say "goddammit, Fork" but actually Javy's been about as good through age 23, if not better, than Ryno was. So if 2017 is gonna be Javy's 1984, I'll take it.
I do think he is the most talented Cubs player I've ever seen. Whether he ever lives up to that potential offensively is another question.
Ryno at 23 was rather pedestrian.
It's when he turned 24 that his career took off.
Seems a little soon for the comparison but Baez definitely appears to be in Sandberg's class defensively.
And the thing that made Sandberg special was, in no small part, consistency and longevity. If Baez could be this good for 10+ solid years... it's hard for me to even imagine what that would be like.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 12, 2016, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 12, 2016, 03:16:09 PM
Is it sacrilege yet to say he might be better than Ryno?
Might be? No.
Is? Definitely.
I was gonna laugh and say "goddammit, Fork" but actually Javy's been about as good through age 23, if not better, than Ryno was. So if 2017 is gonna be Javy's 1984, I'll take it.
I do think he is the most talented Cubs player I've ever seen. Whether he ever lives up to that potential offensively is another question.
Ryno at 23 was rather pedestrian.
It's when he turned 24 that his career took off.
Seems a little soon for the comparison but Baez definitely appears to be in Sandberg's class defensively.
And the thing that made Sandberg special was, in no small part, consistency and longevity. If Baez could be this good for 10+ solid years... it's hard for me to even imagine what that would be like.
I would say that what made Sandberg special was his uncanny ability to almost always be in position, squared up and not diving like spazz, to make the play. It's part of the reason he's one of only 2 second baseman in history to collect 6 seasons with at least 500 assists. He just seemed to correctly anticipate where the ball was going to be. I'm not sure this sort of thing can be taught, as it seems somewhat instinctive or preternatural--but the good news is Baez also seems to have this talent. Combined with Baez' quickness of hands--something that does not spring to mind when I think of Sandberg-- I feel he could surpass Ryno, and that'd be amazing.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 04:42:43 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 12, 2016, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 12, 2016, 03:16:09 PM
Is it sacrilege yet to say he might be better than Ryno?
Might be? No.
Is? Definitely.
I was gonna laugh and say "goddammit, Fork" but actually Javy's been about as good through age 23, if not better, than Ryno was. So if 2017 is gonna be Javy's 1984, I'll take it.
I do think he is the most talented Cubs player I've ever seen. Whether he ever lives up to that potential offensively is another question.
Ryno at 23 was rather pedestrian.
It's when he turned 24 that his career took off.
Seems a little soon for the comparison but Baez definitely appears to be in Sandberg's class defensively.
And the thing that made Sandberg special was, in no small part, consistency and longevity. If Baez could be this good for 10+ solid years... it's hard for me to even imagine what that would be like.
I would say that what made Sandberg special was his uncanny ability to almost always be in position, squared up and not diving like spazz, to make the play. It's part of the reason he's one of only 2 second baseman in history to collect 6 seasons with at least 500 assists. He just seemed to correctly anticipate where the ball was going to be. I'm not sure this sort of thing can be taught, as it seems somewhat instinctive or preternatural--but the good news is Baez also seems to have this talent. Combined with Baez' quickness of hands--something that does not spring to mind when I think of Sandberg-- I feel he could surpass Ryno, and that'd be amazing.
Baez doesn't have Ryno's positioning, but goddamn he covers a lot of ground.
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Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 04:42:43 PM
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Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 12, 2016, 03:16:09 PM
Is it sacrilege yet to say he might be better than Ryno?
Might be? No.
Is? Definitely.
I was gonna laugh and say "goddammit, Fork" but actually Javy's been about as good through age 23, if not better, than Ryno was. So if 2017 is gonna be Javy's 1984, I'll take it.
I do think he is the most talented Cubs player I've ever seen. Whether he ever lives up to that potential offensively is another question.
Ryno at 23 was rather pedestrian.
It's when he turned 24 that his career took off.
Seems a little soon for the comparison but Baez definitely appears to be in Sandberg's class defensively.
And the thing that made Sandberg special was, in no small part, consistency and longevity. If Baez could be this good for 10+ solid years... it's hard for me to even imagine what that would be like.
I would say that what made Sandberg special was his uncanny ability to almost always be in position, squared up and not diving like spazz, to make the play. It's part of the reason he's one of only 2 second baseman in history to collect 6 seasons with at least 500 assists. He just seemed to correctly anticipate where the ball was going to be. I'm not sure this sort of thing can be taught, as it seems somewhat instinctive or preternatural--but the good news is Baez also seems to have this talent. Combined with Baez' quickness of hands--something that does not spring to mind when I think of Sandberg-- I feel he could surpass Ryno, and that'd be amazing.
Baez doesn't have Ryno's positioning, but goddamn he covers a lot of ground.
I kind of find it strange to attribute positioning to some skill a player would have. Now, granted, The Cubs have shifted (in an extreme way) less often than others but defensive positioning as a whole seems to have taken a whole new life over the past 5 years, much less over the past 30, because the coaches simply have more data to use than ever.
Sandberg was a great defensive player but how would he compare to others in today's game? Do shifts (or, more to the point, better positioning management due to an abundance and use of data) make it easier for good defensive players to be great? Would Sandberg be even better today?
Quote from: Oleg on October 13, 2016, 08:40:48 AM
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Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 03:39:22 PM
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Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 12, 2016, 03:16:09 PM
Is it sacrilege yet to say he might be better than Ryno?
Might be? No.
Is? Definitely.
I was gonna laugh and say "goddammit, Fork" but actually Javy's been about as good through age 23, if not better, than Ryno was. So if 2017 is gonna be Javy's 1984, I'll take it.
I do think he is the most talented Cubs player I've ever seen. Whether he ever lives up to that potential offensively is another question.
Ryno at 23 was rather pedestrian.
It's when he turned 24 that his career took off.
Seems a little soon for the comparison but Baez definitely appears to be in Sandberg's class defensively.
And the thing that made Sandberg special was, in no small part, consistency and longevity. If Baez could be this good for 10+ solid years... it's hard for me to even imagine what that would be like.
I would say that what made Sandberg special was his uncanny ability to almost always be in position, squared up and not diving like spazz, to make the play. It's part of the reason he's one of only 2 second baseman in history to collect 6 seasons with at least 500 assists. He just seemed to correctly anticipate where the ball was going to be. I'm not sure this sort of thing can be taught, as it seems somewhat instinctive or preternatural--but the good news is Baez also seems to have this talent. Combined with Baez' quickness of hands--something that does not spring to mind when I think of Sandberg-- I feel he could surpass Ryno, and that'd be amazing.
Baez doesn't have Ryno's positioning, but goddamn he covers a lot of ground.
I kind of find it strange to attribute positioning to some skill a player would have. Now, granted, The Cubs have shifted (in an extreme way) less often than others but defensive positioning as a whole seems to have taken a whole new life over the past 5 years, much less over the past 30, because the coaches simply have more data to use than ever.
Sandberg was a great defensive player but how would he compare to others in today's game? Do shifts (or, more to the point, better positioning management due to an abundance and use of data) make it easier for good defensive players to be great? Would Sandberg be even better today?
Or was Ryno just good at self-scouting the opposition and getting into position and in a world where everyone now does that would he look less impressive?
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2016, 08:47:30 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 13, 2016, 08:40:48 AM
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Quote from: Canadouche on October 12, 2016, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 12, 2016, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 12, 2016, 03:16:09 PM
Is it sacrilege yet to say he might be better than Ryno?
Might be? No.
Is? Definitely.
I was gonna laugh and say "goddammit, Fork" but actually Javy's been about as good through age 23, if not better, than Ryno was. So if 2017 is gonna be Javy's 1984, I'll take it.
I do think he is the most talented Cubs player I've ever seen. Whether he ever lives up to that potential offensively is another question.
Ryno at 23 was rather pedestrian.
It's when he turned 24 that his career took off.
Seems a little soon for the comparison but Baez definitely appears to be in Sandberg's class defensively.
And the thing that made Sandberg special was, in no small part, consistency and longevity. If Baez could be this good for 10+ solid years... it's hard for me to even imagine what that would be like.
I would say that what made Sandberg special was his uncanny ability to almost always be in position, squared up and not diving like spazz, to make the play. It's part of the reason he's one of only 2 second baseman in history to collect 6 seasons with at least 500 assists. He just seemed to correctly anticipate where the ball was going to be. I'm not sure this sort of thing can be taught, as it seems somewhat instinctive or preternatural--but the good news is Baez also seems to have this talent. Combined with Baez' quickness of hands--something that does not spring to mind when I think of Sandberg-- I feel he could surpass Ryno, and that'd be amazing.
Baez doesn't have Ryno's positioning, but goddamn he covers a lot of ground.
I kind of find it strange to attribute positioning to some skill a player would have. Now, granted, The Cubs have shifted (in an extreme way) less often than others but defensive positioning as a whole seems to have taken a whole new life over the past 5 years, much less over the past 30, because the coaches simply have more data to use than ever.
Sandberg was a great defensive player but how would he compare to others in today's game? Do shifts (or, more to the point, better positioning management due to an abundance and use of data) make it easier for good defensive players to be great? Would Sandberg be even better today?
Or was Ryno just good at self-scouting the opposition and getting into position and in a world where everyone now does that would he look less impressive?
On the other hand, do the Cubs shift less due to the athleticism of their infielders?
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 12, 2016, 03:16:09 PM
Is it sacrilege yet to say he might be better than Ryno?
Might be? No.
Is? Definitely.
I was gonna laugh and say "goddammit, Fork" but actually Javy's been about as good through age 23, if not better, than Ryno was. So if 2017 is gonna be Javy's 1984, I'll take it.
I do think he is the most talented Cubs player I've ever seen. Whether he ever lives up to that potential offensively is another question.
Ryno at 23 was rather pedestrian.
It's when he turned 24 that his career took off.
Seems a little soon for the comparison but Baez definitely appears to be in Sandberg's class defensively.
And the thing that made Sandberg special was, in no small part, consistency and longevity. If Baez could be this good for 10+ solid years... it's hard for me to even imagine what that would be like.
I would say that what made Sandberg special was his uncanny ability to almost always be in position, squared up and not diving like spazz, to make the play. It's part of the reason he's one of only 2 second baseman in history to collect 6 seasons with at least 500 assists. He just seemed to correctly anticipate where the ball was going to be. I'm not sure this sort of thing can be taught, as it seems somewhat instinctive or preternatural--but the good news is Baez also seems to have this talent. Combined with Baez' quickness of hands--something that does not spring to mind when I think of Sandberg-- I feel he could surpass Ryno, and that'd be amazing.
Baez doesn't have Ryno's positioning, but goddamn he covers a lot of ground.
I kind of find it strange to attribute positioning to some skill a player would have. Now, granted, The Cubs have shifted (in an extreme way) less often than others but defensive positioning as a whole seems to have taken a whole new life over the past 5 years, much less over the past 30, because the coaches simply have more data to use than ever.
Sandberg was a great defensive player but how would he compare to others in today's game? Do shifts (or, more to the point, better positioning management due to an abundance and use of data) make it easier for good defensive players to be great? Would Sandberg be even better today?
Or was Ryno just good at self-scouting the opposition and getting into position and in a world where everyone now does that would he look less impressive?
On the other hand, do the Cubs shift less due to the athleticism of their infielders?
Sahadev has talked about this and how the whole "the Cubs actually don't shift that much" is kind of inaccurate. Their positioning is just more subtle than most, but they do alter their positioning on almost every play. A lot of teams tend to overshift, when really moving a second baseman a few feet either way will often do the job. Given their historically great job at suppressing BABIP this year and the fact that they may be the best defense in MLB history I think they're probably just ahead of the curve on this stuff.
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2016, 08:47:30 AM
Or was Ryno just good at self-scouting the opposition and getting into position and in a world where everyone now does that would he look less impressive?
I think the bigger question is which Hispanic player Cindy would have preferred.
I think Javy has become my favourite player.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 13, 2016, 02:20:38 PM
I think Javy has become my favourite player.
You and millions of others.
Quote from: Shooter on October 13, 2016, 12:21:29 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2016, 08:47:30 AM
Or was Ryno just good at self-scouting the opposition and getting into position and in a world where everyone now does that would he look less impressive?
I think the bigger question is which Hispanic player Cindy would have preferred.
Intrepid Reader: Cindy Sandberg
You mean I have to choose?
You know that game was nuts because no one even remembered to post about Javy STEALING HOME
Quote from: SKO on October 16, 2016, 09:23:52 AM
You know that game was nuts because no one even remembered to post about Javy STEALING HOME
We were too busy goofing on your Twitter feed.
Quote from: Shooter on October 13, 2016, 12:21:29 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2016, 08:47:30 AM
Or was Ryno just good at self-scouting the opposition and getting into position and in a world where everyone now does that would he look less impressive?
I think the bigger question is which Hispanic player Cindy would have preferred.
All of them.
This. Fucking. Guy.
NLDS co-MVP.
World Series MVP pending.
Seriously, fuck Javy and his plate.discipline...great defense, but fuck me at high/low pitches.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 28, 2016, 10:44:21 PM
Seriously, fuck Javy and his plate.discipline...great defense, but fuck me at high/low pitches.
Settle down, champ
I just can't stay mad at you, Javy.
Finally gets his pitch and does what he needs to.
Bump...
him to the bench.
I loved that you could actually see the tiny Devil Javy on his shoulder telling him to try and turn that last blooper into a double to get the cycle. I'd have been behind him if he tried and got thrown out.
Quote from: SKO on May 03, 2017, 07:55:02 AM
I loved that you could actually see the tiny Devil Javy on his shoulder telling him to try and turn that last blooper into a double to get the cycle. I'd have been behind him if he tried and got thrown out.
Had the exact thought last night.
I also like how one good outing lifted Javy from batting .222 to .269. He was batting below .200 as recently as a week ago.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 02, 2017, 09:39:18 PM
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 29, 2017, 01:39:22 PM
Bump...
him to the bench.
FYC!
Classic Chuck.
Previous 7 games when I posted that: .167/.222/.375/.597 with 11 Ks, 1 BB (intentional).
Benched for 2 days.
Next two days: .750/.750/1.750/2.500 with 0 Ks.
Well done, Joe.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 03, 2017, 10:06:45 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 02, 2017, 09:39:18 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 02, 2017, 09:37:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 29, 2017, 01:39:22 PM
Bump...
him to the bench.
FYC!
Classic Chuck.
Previous 7 games when I posted that: .167/.222/.375/.597 with 11 Ks, 1 BB (intentional).
Benched for 2 days.
Next two days: .750/.750/1.750/2.500 with 0 Ks.
Well done, Joe.
The FYC still applies.
Bump
Javy would like Chuck to get grandly fucked.
That was a very stupid bunt, Javy.
How'd you like this sorcerer's one-man show last night? Two ridiculous catches and then circling the bases making Washington look like a bunch of damn fools for the all-important insurance run. He. Does things.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on June 27, 2017, 09:35:25 AM
How'd you like this sorcerer's one-man show last night? Two ridiculous catches and then circling the bases making Washington look like a bunch of damn fools for then all-important insurance run. He. Does things.
I liked those things very, very much.
Quote from: Oleg on June 27, 2017, 09:38:43 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on June 27, 2017, 09:35:25 AM
How'd you like this sorcerer's one-man show last night? Two ridiculous catches and then circling the bases making Washington look like a bunch of damn fools for then all-important insurance run. He. Does things.
I liked those things very, very much.
Like last year, he'd win a Gold Glove if he played one position enough.
5 Ks in a game...that can't be good. The last one was at three pitches that were all balls.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 26, 2017, 08:10:31 AM
5 Ks in a game...that can't be good. The last one was at three pitches that were all balls.
That's just the law of Javy. Every time he has a shit-white hot streak and you think he might be clicking he has to get over-excitied and revert back to swinging at everything. Then he'll get hot again, cold again, etc. First 5 games after the break: 10 for 20, 2 HRs, 500/.524/.900/1.424 line, next 5: 2 for 15, .133/.188/.133. It evens out.
Quote from: SKO on July 26, 2017, 08:52:18 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 26, 2017, 08:10:31 AM
5 Ks in a game...that can't be good. The last one was at three pitches that were all balls.
That's just the law of Javy. Every time he has a shit-white hot streak and you think he might be clicking he has to get over-excitied and revert back to swinging at everything. Then he'll get hot again, cold again, etc. First 5 games after the break: 10 for 20, 2 HRs, 500/.524/.900/1.424 line, next 5: 2 for 15, .133/.188/.133. It evens out.
Yeah. I'm thinking that if Bryant hadn't gotten tossed, Joe might have let him sit a couple innings out. Joe's been good at giving him days off at the right time for a reset.
That kicked ass.
He sucks.
That was fun.
Batting .313 since the break, with an OPS over 1.000.
Quote from: Canadouche on August 08, 2017, 06:27:04 AM
Batting .313 since the break, with an OPS over 1.000.
Yet Chuck singled him out as one of the players who needed to hit better. Is Chuck a racist? I don't know but yes
Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2017, 07:39:55 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 08, 2017, 06:27:04 AM
Batting .313 since the break, with an OPS over 1.000.
Yet Chuck singled him out as one of the players who needed to hit better. Is Chuck a racist? I don't know but yes
The best part is Chuck has cultivated a Chuck-like band of acolytes on Twitter who also love to scorch the earth when the results are less than ideal. That dude Jamfan40--some fatalistic asshat whom I unfollowed during the 5-15 stretch last year when he declared they were done-- all of a sudden began appearing in my mentions after I jumped on Chuck for ranting on Schwarber for having too many K's in a 5-game stretch or some shit like that. Twisted Knickers, some other short-sighted fuckstick who's tried to troll me for not declaring the Cubs dead last month also joined the dogpile. It's nice that Twitter can unite Chuck with so many other petulant, entitled fans with whom to throw his toys around the room.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 08, 2017, 09:40:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2017, 07:39:55 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 08, 2017, 06:27:04 AM
Batting .313 since the break, with an OPS over 1.000.
Yet Chuck singled him out as one of the players who needed to hit better. Is Chuck a racist? I don't know but yes
The best part is Chuck has cultivated a Chuck-like band of acolytes on Twitter who also love to scorch the earth when the results are less than ideal. That dude Jamfan40--some fatalistic asshat whom I unfollowed during the 5-15 stretch last year when he declared they were done-- all of a sudden began appearing in my mentions after I jumped on Chuck for ranting on Schwarber for having too many K's in a 5-game stretch or some shit like that. Twisted Knickers, some other short-sighted fuckstick who's tried to troll me for not declaring the Cubs dead last month also joined the dogpile. It's nice that Twitter can unite Chuck with so many other petulant, entitled fans with whom to throw his toys around the room.
I have muted and blocked that JamFan dude and yet people still screenshot his terrible takes just to yell at them. I'm obviously no saint when it comes to Twitter Ranting but that dude has never missed an opportunity to dive off the deep end, which doesn't bother me except that he is also an asshole to anyone who won't join him in his DOOM ranting
Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2017, 07:39:55 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 08, 2017, 06:27:04 AM
Batting .313 since the break, with an OPS over 1.000.
Yet Chuck singled him out as one of the players who needed to hit better. Is Chuck a racist? I don't know but yes
It me
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Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2017, 07:39:55 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 08, 2017, 06:27:04 AM
Batting .313 since the break, with an OPS over 1.000.
Yet Chuck singled him out as one of the players who needed to hit better. Is Chuck a racist? I don't know but yes
It me
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Are double-breasted suits coming back?
Quote from: CBStew on August 08, 2017, 12:41:12 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 08, 2017, 11:30:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2017, 07:39:55 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 08, 2017, 06:27:04 AM
Batting .313 since the break, with an OPS over 1.000.
Yet Chuck singled him out as one of the players who needed to hit better. Is Chuck a racist? I don't know but yes
It me
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b128/cadfile/Blog/2013/maninhood.jpg)
Are double-breasted suits coming back?
Goes well with the headdress.
Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2017, 10:59:09 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 08, 2017, 09:40:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2017, 07:39:55 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 08, 2017, 06:27:04 AM
Batting .313 since the break, with an OPS over 1.000.
Yet Chuck singled him out as one of the players who needed to hit better. Is Chuck a racist? I don't know but yes
The best part is Chuck has cultivated a Chuck-like band of acolytes on Twitter who also love to scorch the earth when the results are less than ideal. That dude Jamfan40--some fatalistic asshat whom I unfollowed during the 5-15 stretch last year when he declared they were done-- all of a sudden began appearing in my mentions after I jumped on Chuck for ranting on Schwarber for having too many K's in a 5-game stretch or some shit like that. Twisted Knickers, some other short-sighted fuckstick who's tried to troll me for not declaring the Cubs dead last month also joined the dogpile. It's nice that Twitter can unite Chuck with so many other petulant, entitled fans with whom to throw his toys around the room.
I have muted and blocked that JamFan dude and yet people still screenshot his terrible takes just to yell at them. I'm obviously no saint when it comes to Twitter Ranting but that dude has never missed an opportunity to dive off the deep end, which doesn't bother me except that he is also an asshole to anyone who won't join him in his DOOM ranting
If you block hot takes, what's the point of Twitter?
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 08, 2017, 09:40:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2017, 07:39:55 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 08, 2017, 06:27:04 AM
Batting .313 since the break, with an OPS over 1.000.
Yet Chuck singled him out as one of the players who needed to hit better. Is Chuck a racist? I don't know but yes
The best part is Chuck has cultivated a Chuck-like band of acolytes on Twitter who also love to scorch the earth when the results are less than ideal. That dude Jamfan40--some fatalistic asshat whom I unfollowed during the 5-15 stretch last year when he declared they were done-- all of a sudden began appearing in my mentions after I jumped on Chuck for ranting on Schwarber for having too many K's in a 5-game stretch or some shit like that. Twisted Knickers, some other short-sighted fuckstick who's tried to troll me for not declaring the Cubs dead last month also joined the dogpile. It's nice that Twitter can unite Chuck with so many other petulant, entitled fans with whom to throw his toys around the room.
To the contrary, not only do I not "cultivate" anyone, but the "No, Chuck" theme has spread to people who have never set foot in this dark corner of the intertubes.
I have been greeted as a liberator.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 08, 2017, 01:41:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2017, 10:59:09 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 08, 2017, 09:40:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2017, 07:39:55 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 08, 2017, 06:27:04 AM
Batting .313 since the break, with an OPS over 1.000.
Yet Chuck singled him out as one of the players who needed to hit better. Is Chuck a racist? I don't know but yes
The best part is Chuck has cultivated a Chuck-like band of acolytes on Twitter who also love to scorch the earth when the results are less than ideal. That dude Jamfan40--some fatalistic asshat whom I unfollowed during the 5-15 stretch last year when he declared they were done-- all of a sudden began appearing in my mentions after I jumped on Chuck for ranting on Schwarber for having too many K's in a 5-game stretch or some shit like that. Twisted Knickers, some other short-sighted fuckstick who's tried to troll me for not declaring the Cubs dead last month also joined the dogpile. It's nice that Twitter can unite Chuck with so many other petulant, entitled fans with whom to throw his toys around the room.
I have muted and blocked that JamFan dude and yet people still screenshot his terrible takes just to yell at them. I'm obviously no saint when it comes to Twitter Ranting but that dude has never missed an opportunity to dive off the deep end, which doesn't bother me except that he is also an asshole to anyone who won't join him in his DOOM ranting
If you block hot takes, what's the point of Twitter?
I don't mind hot takes, it's the "being an asshole to anyone not agreeing with your hot takes" part I object to. That JamFan dude is a straight up dick
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 08, 2017, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 08, 2017, 12:41:12 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 08, 2017, 11:30:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2017, 07:39:55 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on August 08, 2017, 06:27:04 AM
Batting .313 since the break, with an OPS over 1.000.
Yet Chuck singled him out as one of the players who needed to hit better. Is Chuck a racist? I don't know but yes
It me
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b128/cadfile/Blog/2013/maninhood.jpg)
Are double-breasted suits coming back?
Goes well with the headdress.
I don't know about the double-breasted suit, but the white headdress is fine until Labor Day.
Come on, man. The Giants: they're bad.
Lol at the decision to IBB Heyward, who can't hit anything, to put a free runner on for Javy's big, throbbing dong
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2017, 06:42:21 PM
Lol at the decision to IBB Heyward, who can't hit anything, to put a free runner on for Javy's big, throbbing dong
I felt so good about that situation, but even I didn't envision that Javy'd hit it 800 feet.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 13, 2017, 11:12:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2017, 06:42:21 PM
Lol at the decision to IBB Heyward, who can't hit anything, to put a free runner on for Javy's big, throbbing dong
I felt so good about that situation, but even I didn't envision that Javy'd hit it 800 feet.
He threw the slider away. It went over the middle of the plate. It then went to Scottsdale.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 13, 2017, 11:12:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2017, 06:42:21 PM
Lol at the decision to IBB Heyward, who can't hit anything, to put a free runner on for Javy's big, throbbing dong
I felt so good about that situation, but even I didn't envision that Javy'd hit it 800 feet.
Yeah I can't fathom why anyone would rather face Javy than Heyward. Javy is worse against RHP than LHP by a lot, true. He's also still better against RHP than Heyward. Also the worst case scenario vs Heyward is he slaps a single and moves the runner to 2nd. The worst case scenario against Javy is what happened.
Quote from: SKO on August 14, 2017, 08:14:00 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 13, 2017, 11:12:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2017, 06:42:21 PM
Lol at the decision to IBB Heyward, who can't hit anything, to put a free runner on for Javy's big, throbbing dong
I felt so good about that situation, but even I didn't envision that Javy'd hit it 800 feet.
Yeah I can't fathom why anyone would rather face Javy than Heyward. Javy is worse against RHP than LHP by a lot, true. He's also still better against RHP than Heyward. Also the worst case scenario vs Heyward is he slaps a single and moves the runner to 2nd. The worst case scenario against Javy is what happened.
I think, too, there's the issue of questioning Javy's manhood, which is of course stupid, but if I was Javy I'd pretty fucking pissed that some team would think they'd be better off facing me than Jason Fucking Heyward and, assessing the kind of guy Javy seems to be from my perch, I'm fairly confident he, too, saw it as a challenge. He's in a zone right now (LOVED his single up the middle earlier; when Javy's hitting it through the box he's going good) and so it was not hard for me to envision good things, like I said. I want to call him The Sorcerer.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 14, 2017, 12:40:38 PM
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Lol at the decision to IBB Heyward, who can't hit anything, to put a free runner on for Javy's big, throbbing dong
I felt so good about that situation, but even I didn't envision that Javy'd hit it 800 feet.
Yeah I can't fathom why anyone would rather face Javy than Heyward. Javy is worse against RHP than LHP by a lot, true. He's also still better against RHP than Heyward. Also the worst case scenario vs Heyward is he slaps a single and moves the runner to 2nd. The worst case scenario against Javy is what happened.
I think, too, there's the issue of questioning Javy's manhood, which is of course stupid, but if I was Javy I'd pretty fucking pissed that some team would think they'd be better off facing me than Jason Fucking Heyward and, assessing the kind of guy Javy seems to be from my perch, I'm fairly confident he, too, saw it as a challenge. He's in a zone right now (LOVED his single up the middle earlier; when Javy's hitting it through the box he's going good) and so it was not hard for me to envision good things, like I said. I want to call him The Sorcerer.
He's been really good since the start of July. Javy runs hot/cold so I never want to overreact to a hot streak and think he's turned a corner but I can't remember the last time he sustained success for this long (even his hot start last year was mostly BABIP-fueled, this year's run seems a bit more sustainable).
Quote from: SKO on August 14, 2017, 01:03:27 PM
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Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2017, 06:42:21 PM
Lol at the decision to IBB Heyward, who can't hit anything, to put a free runner on for Javy's big, throbbing dong
I felt so good about that situation, but even I didn't envision that Javy'd hit it 800 feet.
Yeah I can't fathom why anyone would rather face Javy than Heyward. Javy is worse against RHP than LHP by a lot, true. He's also still better against RHP than Heyward. Also the worst case scenario vs Heyward is he slaps a single and moves the runner to 2nd. The worst case scenario against Javy is what happened.
I think, too, there's the issue of questioning Javy's manhood, which is of course stupid, but if I was Javy I'd pretty fucking pissed that some team would think they'd be better off facing me than Jason Fucking Heyward and, assessing the kind of guy Javy seems to be from my perch, I'm fairly confident he, too, saw it as a challenge. He's in a zone right now (LOVED his single up the middle earlier; when Javy's hitting it through the box he's going good) and so it was not hard for me to envision good things, like I said. I want to call him The Sorcerer.
He's been really good since the start of July. Javy runs hot/cold so I never want to overreact to a hot streak and think he's turned a corner but I can't remember the last time he sustained success for this long (even his hot start last year was mostly BABIP-fueled, this year's run seems a bit more sustainable).
It's perfect timing. His current hot streak should die down around the end of August, then he'll go cold in September and heat back up for the playoffs.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 14, 2017, 12:40:38 PM
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Lol at the decision to IBB Heyward, who can't hit anything, to put a free runner on for Javy's big, throbbing dong
I felt so good about that situation, but even I didn't envision that Javy'd hit it 800 feet.
Yeah I can't fathom why anyone would rather face Javy than Heyward. Javy is worse against RHP than LHP by a lot, true. He's also still better against RHP than Heyward. Also the worst case scenario vs Heyward is he slaps a single and moves the runner to 2nd. The worst case scenario against Javy is what happened.
I think, too, there's the issue of questioning Javy's manhood, which is of course stupid, but if I was Javy I'd pretty fucking pissed that some team would think they'd be better off facing me than Jason Fucking Heyward and, assessing the kind of guy Javy seems to be from my perch, I'm fairly confident he, too, saw it as a challenge. He's in a zone right now (LOVED his single up the middle earlier; when Javy's hitting it through the box he's going good) and so it was not hard for me to envision good things, like I said. I want to call him The Sorcerer.
I've been calling him that since last season. It totally fits him.
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Lol at the decision to IBB Heyward, who can't hit anything, to put a free runner on for Javy's big, throbbing dong
I felt so good about that situation, but even I didn't envision that Javy'd hit it 800 feet.
Yeah I can't fathom why anyone would rather face Javy than Heyward. Javy is worse against RHP than LHP by a lot, true. He's also still better against RHP than Heyward. Also the worst case scenario vs Heyward is he slaps a single and moves the runner to 2nd. The worst case scenario against Javy is what happened.
I think, too, there's the issue of questioning Javy's manhood, which is of course stupid, but if I was Javy I'd pretty fucking pissed that some team would think they'd be better off facing me than Jason Fucking Heyward and, assessing the kind of guy Javy seems to be from my perch, I'm fairly confident he, too, saw it as a challenge. He's in a zone right now (LOVED his single up the middle earlier; when Javy's hitting it through the box he's going good) and so it was not hard for me to envision good things, like I said. I want to call him The Sorcerer.
I've been calling him that since last season. It totally fits him.
His nameplate next weekend is "EL MAGO", which is "The Magician".
Is there anyone who can capture and post this gif to this thread so it is preserved forever https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/899395902040887296
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Is there anyone who can capture and post this gif to this thread so it is preserved forever https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/899395902040887296
(http://i65.tinypic.com/f0neys.gif)
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Is there anyone who can capture and post this gif to this thread so it is preserved forever https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/899395902040887296
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He is glorious.
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Is there anyone who can capture and post this gif to this thread so it is preserved forever https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/899395902040887296
(http://i65.tinypic.com/f0neys.gif)
He is glorious.
That is Maximum Javy.
Randall Sanders improved it (https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/899461576608161793?).
That throw. Damn.
I'm happy that Javy Baez is a Cub.
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
I'm talking rational consensus, not the same fringe asshats who thought the Cubs were done when they went 5-15 last June/July, when they were losing Game 4 to SF, down 2-1 to LA, down 3-1 in the World Series, or when they struggled to dominate the first 3 months of this year. Those johnny fucksticks can eat shit--I'm talking about you, me and the people who generally maintain some perspective. It was not unreasonable for us to feel that Javy was expendable up until the last few months of last season. I shudder, now, to think of the Cubs having dealt him back then.
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
If anybody out of the young guys is expendable, it's Russell. He's become not-as-good-Baez.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 25, 2017, 10:08:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
If anybody out of the young guys is expendable, it's Russell. He's become not-as-good-Baez.
I'd hold off on this. I mean it's truer than it was a year ago--I'd have laughed at anyone who suggested it then-- but it's still early. The nice thing is the Cubs don't need to decide anytime soon.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 25, 2017, 10:08:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
If anybody out of the young guys is expendable, it's Russell. He's become not-as-good-Baez.
That's the Tot Hake. But I see that as possible more because of Russell's off field antics than his on.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 25, 2017, 10:31:02 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 25, 2017, 10:08:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
If anybody out of the young guys is expendable, it's Russell. He's become not-as-good-Baez.
That's the Tot Hake. But I see that as possible more because of Russell's off field antics than his on.
This is the same team that traded for Chapman.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 10:19:11 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 25, 2017, 10:08:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
If anybody out of the young guys is expendable, it's Russell. He's become not-as-good-Baez.
I'd hold off on this. I mean it's truer than it was a year ago--I'd have laughed at anyone who suggested it then-- but it's still early. The nice thing is the Cubs don't need to decide anytime soon.
They don't need to decide this at all. One of them plays short, one of them plays second. Both are team controlled through 2021. Happ is never gonna be a full time second baseman and Zobrist is already dead. In case anyone forgot Gleyber got traded. There's no more position logjam in the middle infield. Why are we always trying to trade people who aren't going to get traded?
Also Addison's off field "antics" don't mean shit. MLB clearly found nothing to punish him for and his wife clearly isn't filing charges. We'll be left with an uncomfortable feeling rooting for a potential piece of shit for the next 5 years, but no team is going to give a controllable asset like Addison Russell away because of a nebulous off field incident that will never amount to any actual punishment from the law or the league.
Finally, Addison has dealt with a shoulder injury that has fucked with his throws all year and he's missed a considerable amount of time and he
still ranks second among all MLB shortstops in defensive runs saved. He's not moving off that position no matter how flashy Javy is, especially since Javy's booted a few and statistically has always been an average shortstop who makes some flashy plays. Javy should remain the super utility guy who plays 2nd/3rd, because he's a legitimately elite defender at those positions.
TL, DR: stop trading away pieces of the core, you idiots. It's not going to happen.
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 10:40:09 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 10:19:11 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 25, 2017, 10:08:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
If anybody out of the young guys is expendable, it's Russell. He's become not-as-good-Baez.
I'd hold off on this. I mean it's truer than it was a year ago--I'd have laughed at anyone who suggested it then-- but it's still early. The nice thing is the Cubs don't need to decide anytime soon.
They don't need to decide this at all. One of them plays short, one of them plays second. Both are team controlled through 2021. Happ is never gonna be a full time second baseman and Zobrist is already dead. In case anyone forgot Gleyber got traded. There's no more position logjam in the middle infield. Why are we always trying to trade people who aren't going to get traded?
Also Addison's off field "antics" don't mean shit. MLB clearly found nothing to punish him for and his wife clearly isn't filing charges. We'll be left with an uncomfortable feeling rooting for a potential piece of shit for the next 5 years, but no team is going to give a controllable asset like Addison Russell away because of a nebulous off field incident that will never amount to any actual punishment from the law or the league.
Finally, Addison has dealt with a shoulder injury that has fucked with his throws all year and he's missed a considerable amount of time and he still ranks second among all MLB shortstops in defensive runs saved. He's not moving off that position no matter how flashy Javy is, especially since Javy's booted a few and statistically has always been an average shortstop who makes some flashy plays. Javy should remain the super utility guy who plays 2nd/3rd, because he's a legitimately elite defender at those positions.
TL, DR: stop trading away pieces of the core, you idiots. It's not going to happen.
Lighten up Francis. 2021 is
not anytime soon.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 10:40:09 AM
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Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
If anybody out of the young guys is expendable, it's Russell. He's become not-as-good-Baez.
I'd hold off on this. I mean it's truer than it was a year ago--I'd have laughed at anyone who suggested it then-- but it's still early. The nice thing is the Cubs don't need to decide anytime soon.
They don't need to decide this at all. One of them plays short, one of them plays second. Both are team controlled through 2021. Happ is never gonna be a full time second baseman and Zobrist is already dead. In case anyone forgot Gleyber got traded. There's no more position logjam in the middle infield. Why are we always trying to trade people who aren't going to get traded?
Also Addison's off field "antics" don't mean shit. MLB clearly found nothing to punish him for and his wife clearly isn't filing charges. We'll be left with an uncomfortable feeling rooting for a potential piece of shit for the next 5 years, but no team is going to give a controllable asset like Addison Russell away because of a nebulous off field incident that will never amount to any actual punishment from the law or the league.
Finally, Addison has dealt with a shoulder injury that has fucked with his throws all year and he's missed a considerable amount of time and he still ranks second among all MLB shortstops in defensive runs saved. He's not moving off that position no matter how flashy Javy is, especially since Javy's booted a few and statistically has always been an average shortstop who makes some flashy plays. Javy should remain the super utility guy who plays 2nd/3rd, because he's a legitimately elite defender at those positions.
TL, DR: stop trading away pieces of the core, you idiots. It's not going to happen.
Lighten up Francis. 2021 is not anytime soon.
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Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
If anybody out of the young guys is expendable, it's Russell. He's become not-as-good-Baez.
That's the Tot Hake. But I see that as possible more because of Russell's off field antics than his on.
This is the same team that traded for Chapman.
And dumped Castro.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 10:40:09 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 10:19:11 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 25, 2017, 10:08:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
If anybody out of the young guys is expendable, it's Russell. He's become not-as-good-Baez.
I'd hold off on this. I mean it's truer than it was a year ago--I'd have laughed at anyone who suggested it then-- but it's still early. The nice thing is the Cubs don't need to decide anytime soon.
They don't need to decide this at all. One of them plays short, one of them plays second. Both are team controlled through 2021. Happ is never gonna be a full time second baseman and Zobrist is already dead. In case anyone forgot Gleyber got traded. There's no more position logjam in the middle infield. Why are we always trying to trade people who aren't going to get traded?
Also Addison's off field "antics" don't mean shit. MLB clearly found nothing to punish him for and his wife clearly isn't filing charges. We'll be left with an uncomfortable feeling rooting for a potential piece of shit for the next 5 years, but no team is going to give a controllable asset like Addison Russell away because of a nebulous off field incident that will never amount to any actual punishment from the law or the league.
Finally, Addison has dealt with a shoulder injury that has fucked with his throws all year and he's missed a considerable amount of time and he still ranks second among all MLB shortstops in defensive runs saved. He's not moving off that position no matter how flashy Javy is, especially since Javy's booted a few and statistically has always been an average shortstop who makes some flashy plays. Javy should remain the super utility guy who plays 2nd/3rd, because he's a legitimately elite defender at those positions.
TL, DR: stop trading away pieces of the core, you idiots. It's not going to happen.
Lighten up Francis. 2021 is not anytime soon.
Oh I was more adding on to you what you were saying rather than attacking you. I will never understand Chucks' weird boner for trying to trade away guys who do not need to be traded. Other than Almora, who I think is more valuable to the Cubs as a really good lefty-hitting fourth outfielder than he would be as trade bait, I really don't see any young player currently on the active MLB roster who is ever going to be moved. I don't know why Chuck always acts like they have to move someone at some point.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 25, 2017, 11:14:11 AM
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Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
If anybody out of the young guys is expendable, it's Russell. He's become not-as-good-Baez.
That's the Tot Hake. But I see that as possible more because of Russell's off field antics than his on.
This is the same team that traded for Chapman.
And dumped Castro.
Oh for sure, the Cubs dumped Castro because of sexual assault allegations from several years before he was traded, not because they were trying to win a World Series, Zobrist was available, and Castro was coming off of his second disastrous season in three years.
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 10:40:09 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 10:19:11 AM
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Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
If anybody out of the young guys is expendable, it's Russell. He's become not-as-good-Baez.
I'd hold off on this. I mean it's truer than it was a year ago--I'd have laughed at anyone who suggested it then-- but it's still early. The nice thing is the Cubs don't need to decide anytime soon.
They don't need to decide this at all. One of them plays short, one of them plays second. Both are team controlled through 2021. Happ is never gonna be a full time second baseman and Zobrist is already dead. In case anyone forgot Gleyber got traded. There's no more position logjam in the middle infield. Why are we always trying to trade people who aren't going to get traded?
Also Addison's off field "antics" don't mean shit. MLB clearly found nothing to punish him for and his wife clearly isn't filing charges. We'll be left with an uncomfortable feeling rooting for a potential piece of shit for the next 5 years, but no team is going to give a controllable asset like Addison Russell away because of a nebulous off field incident that will never amount to any actual punishment from the law or the league.
Finally, Addison has dealt with a shoulder injury that has fucked with his throws all year and he's missed a considerable amount of time and he still ranks second among all MLB shortstops in defensive runs saved. He's not moving off that position no matter how flashy Javy is, especially since Javy's booted a few and statistically has always been an average shortstop who makes some flashy plays. Javy should remain the super utility guy who plays 2nd/3rd, because he's a legitimately elite defender at those positions.
TL, DR: stop trading away pieces of the core, you idiots. It's not going to happen.
I didn't know MLB's investigation was closed.
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Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
If anybody out of the young guys is expendable, it's Russell. He's become not-as-good-Baez.
That's the Tot Hake. But I see that as possible more because of Russell's off field antics than his on.
This is the same team that traded for Chapman.
And dumped Castro.
Because he was deemed expendable as a player.
Do you really want to argue that Castro was otherwise deemed a more highly-rated player than Baez and Russell in the 2015/2016 offseason and the Cubs decided to pull the trigger on dealing him 4 years after his purported off-field indiscretion? To be fair, you
have taken the stand on stupider arguments so I guess I wouldn't be shocked.
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Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
If anybody out of the young guys is expendable, it's Russell. He's become not-as-good-Baez.
That's the Tot Hake. But I see that as possible more because of Russell's off field antics than his on.
This is the same team that traded for Chapman.
And dumped Castro.
Oh for sure, the Cubs dumped Castro because of sexual assault allegations from several years before he was traded, not because they were trying to win a World Series, Zobrist was available, and Castro was coming off of his second disastrous season in three years.
And Warren wasn't supposed to suck.
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Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 25, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He'll be getting some MVP votes, no? I'm not exactly certain when Russell went out but it certainly feels the Cubs taking a hold of the division sort of coincided with Baez playing every day at short. And more than a coincidence is the fact that Baez has won several games with his bat and his defense has simply been otherworldly during this time. Crazy to think that as recently as June, 2016 he and Soler were considered the 2 most expendable prospects.
People were trying to trade Javy in May because Happ "made him expendable"
If anybody out of the young guys is expendable, it's Russell. He's become not-as-good-Baez.
I'd hold off on this. I mean it's truer than it was a year ago--I'd have laughed at anyone who suggested it then-- but it's still early. The nice thing is the Cubs don't need to decide anytime soon.
They don't need to decide this at all. One of them plays short, one of them plays second. Both are team controlled through 2021. Happ is never gonna be a full time second baseman and Zobrist is already dead. In case anyone forgot Gleyber got traded. There's no more position logjam in the middle infield. Why are we always trying to trade people who aren't going to get traded?
Also Addison's off field "antics" don't mean shit. MLB clearly found nothing to punish him for and his wife clearly isn't filing charges. We'll be left with an uncomfortable feeling rooting for a potential piece of shit for the next 5 years, but no team is going to give a controllable asset like Addison Russell away because of a nebulous off field incident that will never amount to any actual punishment from the law or the league.
Finally, Addison has dealt with a shoulder injury that has fucked with his throws all year and he's missed a considerable amount of time and he still ranks second among all MLB shortstops in defensive runs saved. He's not moving off that position no matter how flashy Javy is, especially since Javy's booted a few and statistically has always been an average shortstop who makes some flashy plays. Javy should remain the super utility guy who plays 2nd/3rd, because he's a legitimately elite defender at those positions.
TL, DR: stop trading away pieces of the core, you idiots. It's not going to happen.
I didn't know MLB's investigation was closed.
I thought I had seen that they had announced that it was closed because they found nothing and his wife didn't want to cooperate anyway. Either way I expect if they were gonna do anything they'd have done it by now, if it is still open it is only because they are waiting for the most opportune time to close it without drawing attention to the issue.
I should make it clear here that I am not saying "Addison did nothing wrong" or that MLB/cops finding no evidence of wrong-doing means nothing happened. I'm sure he did some shitbag thing and I feel uncomfortable rooting for him because he's potentially a shitbag. I'm just cynical enough that I don't expect anything to happen because with no charges ever filed and the wife not cooperating there's basically nothing for MLB to base a suspension on. In Chapman's case I believe charges were filed then dropped later.
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2017, 12:14:52 PM
I should make it clear here that I am not saying "Addison did nothing wrong" or that MLB/cops finding no evidence of wrong-doing means nothing happened. I'm sure he did some shitbag thing and I feel uncomfortable rooting for him because he's potentially a shitbag. I'm just cynical enough that I don't expect anything to happen because with no charges ever filed and the wife not cooperating there's basically nothing for MLB to base a suspension on. In Chapman's case I believe charges were filed then dropped later.
Her lawyer said she "isn't interested in legitimizing anything that doesn't come from her."
Sounds like her bestie flew off the handle, and this is the most polite way of gently easing her under the bus.
Let's call it right now once and for all: the most fun player in baseball. Fight me.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 30, 2017, 08:29:45 PM
Let's call it right now once and for all: the most fun player in baseball. Fight me.
The amazing thing is that although his control of the strike zone isn't great, it isn't Dunston-ian (talk about a relatively fun player, and Baez is a couple powers of fun beyond Shawon), and his fun-creating ability doesn't come with stupid-plays-that-drive-you-up-a-fuckin-wall-making tendency. How many horrible mental errors has he made?
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 30, 2017, 08:29:45 PM
Let's call it right now once and for all: the most fun player in baseball. Fight me.
The amazing thing is that although his control of the strike zone isn't great, it isn't Dunston-ian (talk about a relatively fun player, and Baez is a couple powers of fun beyond Shawon), and his fun-creating ability doesn't come with stupid-plays-that-drive-you-up-a-fuckin-wall-making tendency. How many horrible mental errors has he made?
You mean besides his hair?
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 30, 2017, 08:29:45 PM
Let's call it right now once and for all: the most fun player in baseball. Fight me.
The amazing thing is that although his control of the strike zone isn't great, it isn't Dunston-ian (talk about a relatively fun player, and Baez is a couple powers of fun beyond Shawon), and his fun-creating ability doesn't come with stupid-plays-that-drive-you-up-a-fuckin-wall-making tendency. How many horrible mental errors has he made?
You mean besides his hair?
A man who steals home in an NLCS game can wear his hair however the fuck he wants as far as I'm concerned.
Don't forget El Mago with that clutch RBI.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 21, 2017, 11:25:15 PM
Don't forget El Mago with that clutch RBI.
Nice choice, Jim. Really.
Second Half Javy:
.295/.345/.517
It's over (https://twitter.com/pmort3225/status/911068717001428993).
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 22, 2017, 01:46:49 PM
It's over (https://twitter.com/pmort3225/status/911068717001428993).
You just brightened my day.
https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/920869178839584768 (https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/920869178839584768)
El Mago, Ogdens.
Bump for 4HR in 2 games, and managing to El Mago his way around the bases last night after striking out.
I really do understand why neutral observers look at how Javy's peaks and valleys even out and think Cubs fans overreact to a guy who is sort of just a decent player by the numbers, but also fuck those people because Javy is so very, very fun.
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 08:19:35 AM
I really do understand why neutral observers look at how Javy's peaks and valleys even out and think Cubs fans overreact to a guy who is sort of just a decent player by the numbers, but also fuck those people because Javy is so very, very fun.
He is The Most Fun, and if you can watch him and give a shit about the numbers, you should only get your baseball from box scores.
Quote from: Bort on April 12, 2018, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 08:19:35 AM
I really do understand why neutral observers look at how Javy's peaks and valleys even out and think Cubs fans overreact to a guy who is sort of just a decent player by the numbers, but also fuck those people because Javy is so very, very fun.
He is The Most Fun, and if you can watch him and give a shit about the numbers, you should only get your baseball from box scores.
some people really have become so obsessed with never being caught being an irrational, emotional fan to the point that they forget that the entire point of this is entertainment and that yes, there's a lot of value in a guy who maybe isn't a superstar just being a good player who you can never take your eyes off of because he just might do something crazy or stupid or both.
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 10:05:52 AM
Quote from: Bort on April 12, 2018, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 08:19:35 AM
I really do understand why neutral observers look at how Javy's peaks and valleys even out and think Cubs fans overreact to a guy who is sort of just a decent player by the numbers, but also fuck those people because Javy is so very, very fun.
He is The Most Fun, and if you can watch him and give a shit about the numbers, you should only get your baseball from box scores.
some people really have become so obsessed with never being caught being an irrational, emotional fan to the point that they forget that the entire point of this is entertainment and that yes, there's a lot of value in a guy who maybe isn't a superstar just being a good player who you can never take your eyes off of because he just might do something crazy or stupid or both.
Is this a subtweet?
Anyway, I cringe to think of the time I considered Javy and Jorge to be the 2 expendable blue chip youngsters (March 2015). The dude's not only fun but he's not even
doing it for show--it's all in the pursuit of kicking your ass on the field. The guy fucking wins games with this shit. Sammy was "fun" but also a shithead. This guy just toys with opponents. That he does it with such elan does make it more enjoyable but FUCK he's a helluva player.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 10:05:52 AM
Quote from: Bort on April 12, 2018, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 08:19:35 AM
I really do understand why neutral observers look at how Javy's peaks and valleys even out and think Cubs fans overreact to a guy who is sort of just a decent player by the numbers, but also fuck those people because Javy is so very, very fun.
He is The Most Fun, and if you can watch him and give a shit about the numbers, you should only get your baseball from box scores.
some people really have become so obsessed with never being caught being an irrational, emotional fan to the point that they forget that the entire point of this is entertainment and that yes, there's a lot of value in a guy who maybe isn't a superstar just being a good player who you can never take your eyes off of because he just might do something crazy or stupid or both.
Is this a subtweet?
Anyway, I cringe to think of the time I considered Javy and Jorge to be the 2 expendable blue chip youngsters (March 2015). The dude's not only fun but he's not even doing it for show--it's all in the pursuit of kicking your ass on the field. The guy fucking wins games with this shit. Sammy was "fun" but also a shithead. This guy just toys with opponents. That he does it with such elan does make it more enjoyable but FUCK he's a helluva player.
No it's not a subtweet. I obviously have issues with the "YOU CAN NEVER GET ANGRY AT A BALLGAME" part of Cub twitter including you, but that's a whole different animal from the "wow these
fans dare like a 2 WAR player a disproportionate amount because he has some kind of intangible *excitement* factor? How dare they! the numbers will tell you the quiet and unremarkable competence of Neil Walker is far better!!!"
Frankly I don't even think Cubs fans overrate Javy. I don't know anyone who isn't aware of his flaws or how they keep him from being a superstar, we just really love the dude? That should be OK. To some people it's not.
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 10:44:59 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 10:05:52 AM
Quote from: Bort on April 12, 2018, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 08:19:35 AM
I really do understand why neutral observers look at how Javy's peaks and valleys even out and think Cubs fans overreact to a guy who is sort of just a decent player by the numbers, but also fuck those people because Javy is so very, very fun.
He is The Most Fun, and if you can watch him and give a shit about the numbers, you should only get your baseball from box scores.
some people really have become so obsessed with never being caught being an irrational, emotional fan to the point that they forget that the entire point of this is entertainment and that yes, there's a lot of value in a guy who maybe isn't a superstar just being a good player who you can never take your eyes off of because he just might do something crazy or stupid or both.
Is this a subtweet?
Anyway, I cringe to think of the time I considered Javy and Jorge to be the 2 expendable blue chip youngsters (March 2015). The dude's not only fun but he's not even doing it for show--it's all in the pursuit of kicking your ass on the field. The guy fucking wins games with this shit. Sammy was "fun" but also a shithead. This guy just toys with opponents. That he does it with such elan does make it more enjoyable but FUCK he's a helluva player.
No it's not a subtweet. I obviously have issues with the "YOU CAN NEVER GET ANGRY AT A BALLGAME" part of Cub twitter including you, but that's a whole different animal from the "wow these fans dare like a 2 WAR player a disproportionate amount because he has some kind of intangible *excitement* factor? How dare they! the numbers will tell you the quiet and unremarkable competence of Neil Walker is far better!!!"
Frankly I don't even think Cubs fans overrate Javy. I don't know anyone who isn't aware of his flaws or how they keep him from being a superstar, we just really love the dude? That should be OK. To some people it's not.
This line will strike, as hilarious, anyone here who has sat with me at Wrigley Field over the years--but particularly in the following years: 1997, the second-half of 1999, 2000, 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2011. You keep swinging at those windmills, buddy--that is a hilariously misappropriated characterization.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 11:00:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 10:44:59 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 10:05:52 AM
Quote from: Bort on April 12, 2018, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 08:19:35 AM
I really do understand why neutral observers look at how Javy's peaks and valleys even out and think Cubs fans overreact to a guy who is sort of just a decent player by the numbers, but also fuck those people because Javy is so very, very fun.
He is The Most Fun, and if you can watch him and give a shit about the numbers, you should only get your baseball from box scores.
some people really have become so obsessed with never being caught being an irrational, emotional fan to the point that they forget that the entire point of this is entertainment and that yes, there's a lot of value in a guy who maybe isn't a superstar just being a good player who you can never take your eyes off of because he just might do something crazy or stupid or both.
Is this a subtweet?
Anyway, I cringe to think of the time I considered Javy and Jorge to be the 2 expendable blue chip youngsters (March 2015). The dude's not only fun but he's not even doing it for show--it's all in the pursuit of kicking your ass on the field. The guy fucking wins games with this shit. Sammy was "fun" but also a shithead. This guy just toys with opponents. That he does it with such elan does make it more enjoyable but FUCK he's a helluva player.
No it's not a subtweet. I obviously have issues with the "YOU CAN NEVER GET ANGRY AT A BALLGAME" part of Cub twitter including you, but that's a whole different animal from the "wow these fans dare like a 2 WAR player a disproportionate amount because he has some kind of intangible *excitement* factor? How dare they! the numbers will tell you the quiet and unremarkable competence of Neil Walker is far better!!!"
Frankly I don't even think Cubs fans overrate Javy. I don't know anyone who isn't aware of his flaws or how they keep him from being a superstar, we just really love the dude? That should be OK. To some people it's not.
This line will strike, as hilarious, anyone here who has sat with me at Wrigley Field over the years--but particularly in the following years: 1997, the second-half of 1999, 2000, 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2011. You keep swinging at those windmills, buddy--that is a hilariously misappropriated characterization.
I mean, yes, I do find it deeply ironic that a man who has wanted Mark DeRosa summarily executed for a single double play consistently berates me for my overreactions, yes. I get it, though. The fatalism bothers people who aren't fatalists, your anger is somehow more appropriate than mine, blah blah. I don't care. People are going to fan how they wanna fan. I don't care if fork boldly predicts HOF careers for everyone and I'd vastly prefer that outcome, obviously. I'm just gonna panic and be a dipshit because I'm a panicky dipshit and how many fucking times are we going to go over this before I just block you and be done with it
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 11:14:05 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 11:00:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 10:44:59 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 10:05:52 AM
Quote from: Bort on April 12, 2018, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 08:19:35 AM
I really do understand why neutral observers look at how Javy's peaks and valleys even out and think Cubs fans overreact to a guy who is sort of just a decent player by the numbers, but also fuck those people because Javy is so very, very fun.
He is The Most Fun, and if you can watch him and give a shit about the numbers, you should only get your baseball from box scores.
some people really have become so obsessed with never being caught being an irrational, emotional fan to the point that they forget that the entire point of this is entertainment and that yes, there's a lot of value in a guy who maybe isn't a superstar just being a good player who you can never take your eyes off of because he just might do something crazy or stupid or both.
Is this a subtweet?
Anyway, I cringe to think of the time I considered Javy and Jorge to be the 2 expendable blue chip youngsters (March 2015). The dude's not only fun but he's not even doing it for show--it's all in the pursuit of kicking your ass on the field. The guy fucking wins games with this shit. Sammy was "fun" but also a shithead. This guy just toys with opponents. That he does it with such elan does make it more enjoyable but FUCK he's a helluva player.
No it's not a subtweet. I obviously have issues with the "YOU CAN NEVER GET ANGRY AT A BALLGAME" part of Cub twitter including you, but that's a whole different animal from the "wow these fans dare like a 2 WAR player a disproportionate amount because he has some kind of intangible *excitement* factor? How dare they! the numbers will tell you the quiet and unremarkable competence of Neil Walker is far better!!!"
Frankly I don't even think Cubs fans overrate Javy. I don't know anyone who isn't aware of his flaws or how they keep him from being a superstar, we just really love the dude? That should be OK. To some people it's not.
This line will strike, as hilarious, anyone here who has sat with me at Wrigley Field over the years--but particularly in the following years: 1997, the second-half of 1999, 2000, 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2011. You keep swinging at those windmills, buddy--that is a hilariously misappropriated characterization.
I mean, yes, I do find it deeply ironic that a man who has wanted Mark DeRosa summarily executed for a single double play consistently berates me for my overreactions, yes. I get it, though. The fatalism bothers people who aren't fatalists, your anger is somehow more appropriate than mine, blah blah. I don't care. People are going to fan how they wanna fan. I don't care if fork boldly predicts HOF careers for everyone and I'd vastly prefer that outcome, obviously. I'm just gonna panic and be a dipshit because I'm a panicky dipshit and how many fucking times are we going to go over this before I just block you and be done with it
It's probably better for both of us.
I did take your advice and stop following you for a while in 2016, until they won the pennant I believe (which I believe was your stipulation...I was just following your advice). I just thought the team finally fucking winning it all would lessen the urgency for all of us. I know it's done wonders for
my temperment--but anyway, nice chat.
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 11:14:05 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 11:00:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 10:44:59 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 10:05:52 AM
Quote from: Bort on April 12, 2018, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 08:19:35 AM
I really do understand why neutral observers look at how Javy's peaks and valleys even out and think Cubs fans overreact to a guy who is sort of just a decent player by the numbers, but also fuck those people because Javy is so very, very fun.
He is The Most Fun, and if you can watch him and give a shit about the numbers, you should only get your baseball from box scores.
some people really have become so obsessed with never being caught being an irrational, emotional fan to the point that they forget that the entire point of this is entertainment and that yes, there's a lot of value in a guy who maybe isn't a superstar just being a good player who you can never take your eyes off of because he just might do something crazy or stupid or both.
Is this a subtweet?
Anyway, I cringe to think of the time I considered Javy and Jorge to be the 2 expendable blue chip youngsters (March 2015). The dude's not only fun but he's not even doing it for show--it's all in the pursuit of kicking your ass on the field. The guy fucking wins games with this shit. Sammy was "fun" but also a shithead. This guy just toys with opponents. That he does it with such elan does make it more enjoyable but FUCK he's a helluva player.
No it's not a subtweet. I obviously have issues with the "YOU CAN NEVER GET ANGRY AT A BALLGAME" part of Cub twitter including you, but that's a whole different animal from the "wow these fans dare like a 2 WAR player a disproportionate amount because he has some kind of intangible *excitement* factor? How dare they! the numbers will tell you the quiet and unremarkable competence of Neil Walker is far better!!!"
Frankly I don't even think Cubs fans overrate Javy. I don't know anyone who isn't aware of his flaws or how they keep him from being a superstar, we just really love the dude? That should be OK. To some people it's not.
This line will strike, as hilarious, anyone here who has sat with me at Wrigley Field over the years--but particularly in the following years: 1997, the second-half of 1999, 2000, 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2011. You keep swinging at those windmills, buddy--that is a hilariously misappropriated characterization.
I mean, yes, I do find it deeply ironic that a man who has wanted Mark DeRosa summarily executed for a single double play consistently berates me for my overreactions, yes. I get it, though. The fatalism bothers people who aren't fatalists, your anger is somehow more appropriate than mine, blah blah. I don't care. People are going to fan how they wanna fan. I don't care if fork boldly predicts HOF careers for everyone and I'd vastly prefer that outcome, obviously. I'm just gonna panic and be a dipshit because I'm a panicky dipshit and how many fucking times are we going to go over this before I just block you and be done with it
Also, lest we forget, it was the double play (in '07)
and the missed double play (in '08). Get your HUEYRAGE straight.
In any event I'd rather shit on a glib asshole who didn't deliver what I've always wanted to see as a fan than a group of guys who have. Silly, old, too-cool-for-school rational me I guess.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 11:20:28 AM
It's probably better for both of us.
I did take your advice and stop following you for a while in 2016, until they won the pennant I believe (which I believe was your stipulation...I was just following your advice). I just thought the team finally fucking winning it all would lessen the urgency for all of us. I know it's done wonders for my temperment--but anyway, nice chat.
I mean, it has. I might bitch for a bit on twitter during games they are losing but then I go on about my day. You do not find me here pissing and moaning long after games are over (though I am reserving the right to perpetually wish death upon Jason Heyward throughout this summer), I was surprisingly calm during the NLCS, I even watched the World Series after the Cubs were eliminated (when in previous years if the Cubs had lost in October I angrily avoided basically all baseball until the next season began).
I'm never going to not be irritated when my team is losing a baseball game. I am aware that is an overreaction to an irrelevant data point that some people don't have, and that's great. I am aware it might annoy people and they should probably just unfollow me if they cannot refrain from being irritated by it. RV has done so before, Fearless Leader unfollowed me in like 2015 and I doubt he's ever regretted it. I myself do not follow Chuck on twitter because I do not seek out bad opinions sure to piss me off and tempt me to engage. You will note I have never even once read one of your tweets and insisted you somehow react to something differently than however the fuck you want to react.
Seriously, I was trying to talk about Javy Baez here and this is yet again the only active desipio thread and it's just you and me yelling at each other again anot talking about Javier Baez. Are you not exhausted by this
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 11:27:11 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 11:20:28 AM
It's probably better for both of us.
I did take your advice and stop following you for a while in 2016, until they won the pennant I believe (which I believe was your stipulation...I was just following your advice). I just thought the team finally fucking winning it all would lessen the urgency for all of us. I know it's done wonders for my temperment--but anyway, nice chat.
I mean, it has. I might bitch for a bit on twitter during games they are losing but then I go on about my day. You do not find me here pissing and moaning long after games are over (though I am reserving the right to perpetually wish death upon Jason Heyward throughout this summer), I was surprisingly calm during the NLCS, I even watched the World Series after the Cubs were eliminated (when in previous years if the Cubs had lost in October I angrily avoided basically all baseball until the next season began).
I'm never going to not be irritated when my team is losing a baseball game. I am aware that is an overreaction to an irrelevant data point that some people don't have, and that's great. I am aware it might annoy people and they should probably just unfollow me if they cannot refrain from being irritated by it. RV has done so before, Fearless Leader unfollowed me in like 2015 and I doubt he's ever regretted it. I myself do not follow Chuck on twitter because I do not seek out bad opinions sure to piss me off and tempt me to engage. You will note I have never even once read one of your tweets and insisted you somehow react to something differently than however the fuck you want to react.
Seriously, I was trying to talk about Javy Baez here and this is yet again the only active desipio thread and it's just you and me yelling at each other again anot talking about Javier Baez. Are you not exhausted by this
Exhausted?
I'm just getting started.Seriously, though--Javy fucking rules.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 11:37:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 11:27:11 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 11:20:28 AM
It's probably better for both of us.
I did take your advice and stop following you for a while in 2016, until they won the pennant I believe (which I believe was your stipulation...I was just following your advice). I just thought the team finally fucking winning it all would lessen the urgency for all of us. I know it's done wonders for my temperment--but anyway, nice chat.
I mean, it has. I might bitch for a bit on twitter during games they are losing but then I go on about my day. You do not find me here pissing and moaning long after games are over (though I am reserving the right to perpetually wish death upon Jason Heyward throughout this summer), I was surprisingly calm during the NLCS, I even watched the World Series after the Cubs were eliminated (when in previous years if the Cubs had lost in October I angrily avoided basically all baseball until the next season began).
I'm never going to not be irritated when my team is losing a baseball game. I am aware that is an overreaction to an irrelevant data point that some people don't have, and that's great. I am aware it might annoy people and they should probably just unfollow me if they cannot refrain from being irritated by it. RV has done so before, Fearless Leader unfollowed me in like 2015 and I doubt he's ever regretted it. I myself do not follow Chuck on twitter because I do not seek out bad opinions sure to piss me off and tempt me to engage. You will note I have never even once read one of your tweets and insisted you somehow react to something differently than however the fuck you want to react.
Seriously, I was trying to talk about Javy Baez here and this is yet again the only active desipio thread and it's just you and me yelling at each other again anot talking about Javier Baez. Are you not exhausted by this
Exhausted? I'm just getting started.
Seriously, though--Javy fucking rules.
It probably means nothing given how many IBBs he's gotten for batting 8th but Javy has a 23% K Rate and a 14 (!) % walk rate right now, which, if nothing else, is just not a sentence I ever expected to be able to write about Javier Baez.
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 11:27:11 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 11:20:28 AM
It's probably better for both of us.
I did take your advice and stop following you for a while in 2016, until they won the pennant I believe (which I believe was your stipulation...I was just following your advice). I just thought the team finally fucking winning it all would lessen the urgency for all of us. I know it's done wonders for my temperment--but anyway, nice chat.
I mean, it has. I might bitch for a bit on twitter during games they are losing but then I go on about my day. You do not find me here pissing and moaning long after games are over (though I am reserving the right to perpetually wish death upon Jason Heyward throughout this summer), I was surprisingly calm during the NLCS, I even watched the World Series after the Cubs were eliminated (when in previous years if the Cubs had lost in October I angrily avoided basically all baseball until the next season began).
I'm never going to not be irritated when my team is losing a baseball game. I am aware that is an overreaction to an irrelevant data point that some people don't have, and that's great. I am aware it might annoy people and they should probably just unfollow me if they cannot refrain from being irritated by it. RV has done so before, Fearless Leader unfollowed me in like 2015 and I doubt he's ever regretted it. I myself do not follow Chuck on twitter because I do not seek out bad opinions sure to piss me off and tempt me to engage. You will note I have never even once read one of your tweets and insisted you somehow react to something differently than however the fuck you want to react.
Seriously, I was trying to talk about Javy Baez here and this is yet again the only active desipio thread and it's just you and me yelling at each other again anot talking about Javier Baez. Are you not exhausted by this
Look who's tempting someone to engage.
I guess this response means you win.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 12, 2018, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 11:27:11 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 11:20:28 AM
It's probably better for both of us.
I did take your advice and stop following you for a while in 2016, until they won the pennant I believe (which I believe was your stipulation...I was just following your advice). I just thought the team finally fucking winning it all would lessen the urgency for all of us. I know it's done wonders for my temperment--but anyway, nice chat.
I mean, it has. I might bitch for a bit on twitter during games they are losing but then I go on about my day. You do not find me here pissing and moaning long after games are over (though I am reserving the right to perpetually wish death upon Jason Heyward throughout this summer), I was surprisingly calm during the NLCS, I even watched the World Series after the Cubs were eliminated (when in previous years if the Cubs had lost in October I angrily avoided basically all baseball until the next season began).
I'm never going to not be irritated when my team is losing a baseball game. I am aware that is an overreaction to an irrelevant data point that some people don't have, and that's great. I am aware it might annoy people and they should probably just unfollow me if they cannot refrain from being irritated by it. RV has done so before, Fearless Leader unfollowed me in like 2015 and I doubt he's ever regretted it. I myself do not follow Chuck on twitter because I do not seek out bad opinions sure to piss me off and tempt me to engage. You will note I have never even once read one of your tweets and insisted you somehow react to something differently than however the fuck you want to react.
Seriously, I was trying to talk about Javy Baez here and this is yet again the only active desipio thread and it's just you and me yelling at each other again anot talking about Javier Baez. Are you not exhausted by this
Look who's tempting someone to engage.
I guess this response means you win.
If you're involved no one wins.
This is the worst Laverne and Shirley script ever.
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 12, 2018, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 12, 2018, 11:27:11 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 11:20:28 AM
It's probably better for both of us.
I did take your advice and stop following you for a while in 2016, until they won the pennant I believe (which I believe was your stipulation...I was just following your advice). I just thought the team finally fucking winning it all would lessen the urgency for all of us. I know it's done wonders for my temperment--but anyway, nice chat.
I mean, it has. I might bitch for a bit on twitter during games they are losing but then I go on about my day. You do not find me here pissing and moaning long after games are over (though I am reserving the right to perpetually wish death upon Jason Heyward throughout this summer), I was surprisingly calm during the NLCS, I even watched the World Series after the Cubs were eliminated (when in previous years if the Cubs had lost in October I angrily avoided basically all baseball until the next season began).
I'm never going to not be irritated when my team is losing a baseball game. I am aware that is an overreaction to an irrelevant data point that some people don't have, and that's great. I am aware it might annoy people and they should probably just unfollow me if they cannot refrain from being irritated by it. RV has done so before, Fearless Leader unfollowed me in like 2015 and I doubt he's ever regretted it. I myself do not follow Chuck on twitter because I do not seek out bad opinions sure to piss me off and tempt me to engage. You will note I have never even once read one of your tweets and insisted you somehow react to something differently than however the fuck you want to react.
Seriously, I was trying to talk about Javy Baez here and this is yet again the only active desipio thread and it's just you and me yelling at each other again anot talking about Javier Baez. Are you not exhausted by this
Look who's tempting someone to engage.
I guess this response means you win.
If you're involved no one wins.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/breakingbad/images/d/d2/Ken_Wins.png)
Quote from: Oleg on April 12, 2018, 01:21:12 PM
This is the worst Laverne and Shirley script ever.
Quote from: Oleg on April 12, 2018, 01:21:12 PM
This is the worst Laverne and Shirley script ever.
What are these "twitters" and "tweets" of which they speak?
Quote from: Bort on April 12, 2018, 03:37:06 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 12, 2018, 01:21:12 PM
This is the worst Laverne and Shirley script ever.
"But, Laverne, where can we find 2 handsome, intelligent men to have a stimulating conversation on baseball?"
<door opens>
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e5/e1/9a/e5e19a9bc039aff515850c68897ff189.jpg)
Hello!
Quote from: CBStew on April 12, 2018, 04:25:17 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 12, 2018, 01:21:12 PM
This is the worst Laverne and Shirley script ever.
What are these "twitters" and "tweets" of which they speak?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Exit
Quote from: Bort on April 12, 2018, 03:37:06 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 12, 2018, 01:21:12 PM
This is the worst Laverne and Shirley script ever.
Huey and SKO are even worse then the original Lenny & Squiggy.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 12, 2018, 04:27:08 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 12, 2018, 03:37:06 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 12, 2018, 01:21:12 PM
This is the worst Laverne and Shirley script ever.
Huey and SKO are even worse then the original Lenny & Squiggy.
Actually kind of the joke I was going for above
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 12, 2018, 04:27:08 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 12, 2018, 03:37:06 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 12, 2018, 01:21:12 PM
This is the worst Laverne and Shirley script ever.
Huey and SKO are even worse then the original Lenny & Squiggy.
Actually kind of the joke I was going for above
Which we came to 57 seconds apart. Congratulations, you have my sense of humor.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 12, 2018, 03:37:06 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 12, 2018, 01:21:12 PM
This is the worst Laverne and Shirley script ever.
"But, Laverne, where can we find 2 handsome, intelligent men to have a stimulating conversation on baseball?"
<door opens>
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e5/e1/9a/e5e19a9bc039aff515850c68897ff189.jpg)
Hello!
Good to see a picture of Bort in his youth before life had beaten him down. Nice leather jacket.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 13, 2018, 08:19:04 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on April 12, 2018, 04:28:57 PM
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This is the worst Laverne and Shirley script ever.
Huey and SKO are even worse then the original Lenny & Squiggy.
Actually kind of the joke I was going for above
Which we came to 57 seconds apart. Congratulations, you have my sense of humor.
*kills self*
Quote from: SKO on April 13, 2018, 08:21:28 AM
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This is the worst Laverne and Shirley script ever.
"But, Laverne, where can we find 2 handsome, intelligent men to have a stimulating conversation on baseball?"
<door opens>
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e5/e1/9a/e5e19a9bc039aff515850c68897ff189.jpg)
Hello!
Good to see a picture of Bort in his youth before life had beaten him down. Nice leather jacket.
I was literally just about to post that I changed from a Lenny to a Squiggy SO GRADUALLY.
Four hit game, including a dong.
Quote from: Shooter on April 20, 2018, 10:29:51 PM
Four hit game, including a dong.
If Javy died right now I'd still be able to say he's the most "electrifying" Cub I've ever had the pleasure of watching. His ability to slide into third to avoid the tag when the throw had him dead to rights last night was typical of his baserunning sorcery. Later, when he got caught between third and home on a chopper by Rizzo he acted like he was giving himself up (the Cubs were comfortably ahead after all) and then at the very last second—when the Rockies had figured he was conceding the out and briefly let their guard down—he suddenly turned around and darted back toward home, forcing another throw, which not only allowed Bryant the time to get to third but also Rizzo to get all the way to second. I honestly am not sure if I've ever had more fun simply watching another human play baseball.
Hearing how irritated the Rockies announcers got by Javy's counter-sign stealing measures, I hope he does it every time they play Colorado from now on.
He's striking out 21.3% of the time in 80 PA. Supposedly K rate starts to stabilize around 60 PA (which we're just gonna ignore in Ian Happ's case). If Javy is only going to strike out at a league average rate then there really is no ceiling for him, is there?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 23, 2018, 01:42:52 AM
Hearing how irritated the Rockies announcers got by Javy's counter-sign stealing measures, I hope he does it every time they play Colorado from now on.
I love how one of them says "Anyhow, even if he's attempting to, that's part of the game. And if you do steal signs, shame on you." So, which is it?
Quote from: Yeti on April 23, 2018, 08:26:10 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 23, 2018, 01:42:52 AM
Hearing how irritated the Rockies announcers got by Javy's counter-sign stealing measures, I hope he does it every time they play Colorado from now on.
I love how one of them says "Anyhow, even if he's attempting to, that's part of the game. And if you do steal signs, shame on you." So, which is it?
Whatever the non-white player is doing, he's in the wrong here.
I generally don't pay much attention to things like this, but I was genuinely surprised he didn't rate Player of the Week.
Quote from: Yeti on April 23, 2018, 08:26:10 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 23, 2018, 01:42:52 AM
Hearing how irritated the Rockies announcers got by Javy's counter-sign stealing measures, I hope he does it every time they play Colorado from now on.
I love how one of them says "Anyhow, even if he's attempting to, that's part of the game. And if you do steal signs, shame on you." So, which is it?
They did say that, but if you listen to the next sentence it is clear that "shame on you" meant "shame on you for having such simple signs that they can easily be stolen".
Which is not to say that they shouldn't get to fuck, of course.
Quote from: Tonker on April 23, 2018, 04:02:12 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 23, 2018, 08:26:10 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 23, 2018, 01:42:52 AM
Hearing how irritated the Rockies announcers got by Javy's counter-sign stealing measures, I hope he does it every time they play Colorado from now on.
I love how one of them says "Anyhow, even if he's attempting to, that's part of the game. And if you do steal signs, shame on you." So, which is it?
They did say that, but if you listen to the next sentence it is clear that "shame on you" meant "shame on you for having such simple signs that they can easily be stolen".
Which is not to say that they shouldn't get to fuck, of course.
This is all very simple: shame on the Cubs if they are so inept that their signs can be stolen, and also shame on the Cubs for preventing their signs from being stolen.
Quote from: Tonker on April 23, 2018, 04:02:12 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 23, 2018, 08:26:10 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 23, 2018, 01:42:52 AM
Hearing how irritated the Rockies announcers got by Javy's counter-sign stealing measures, I hope he does it every time they play Colorado from now on.
I love how one of them says "Anyhow, even if he's attempting to, that's part of the game. And if you do steal signs, shame on you." So, which is it?
They did say that, but if you listen to the next sentence it is clear that "shame on you" meant "shame on you for having such simple signs that they can easily be stolen".
Which is not to say that they shouldn't get to fuck, of course.
Don't you "well, actually" me. Go bitch at your dong or something
So he's got enough plate appearances and cooled off enough from his insane hot streak (before heating back up again) and it looks like he's regressed in the areas I expected him to (walk rate, mostly) but otherwise his sub 20% K rate appears to be here to stay, which means I think him having an OPS in the .850-.950 range is going to be A Thing. A Javy that doesn't swing and miss, even if he's not gonna draw walks, is one helluva ballplayer.
Quote from: SKO on May 08, 2018, 01:29:48 PM
So he's got enough plate appearances and cooled off enough from his insane hot streak (before heating back up again) and it looks like he's regressed in the areas I expected him to (walk rate, mostly) but otherwise his sub 20% K rate appears to be here to stay, which means I think him having an OPS in the .850-.950 range is going to be A Thing. A Javy that doesn't swing and miss, even if he's not gonna draw walks, is one helluva ballplayer.
I read a lot of words and none of them were "leads the major leagues in RBIs" so I don't know what you're using to evaluate him but it's wrong.
I'm not quite sure how this thread has remained dormant for nearly a month. What the fuck, guys?
Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2018, 12:45:22 AM
I'm not quite sure how this thread has remained dormant for nearly a month. What the fuck, guys?
Everybody's too busy defending him on twitter.
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Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2018, 12:45:22 AM
I'm not quite sure how this thread has remained dormant for nearly a month. What the fuck, guys?
Everybody's too busy defending him on twitter.
Or comparing him to Michael Barrett.
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Quote from: Canadouche on June 04, 2018, 05:54:00 AM
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I'm not quite sure how this thread has remained dormant for nearly a month. What the fuck, guys?
Everybody's too busy defending him on twitter.
Or comparing him to Michael Barrett.
God damn it, Chuck.
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Quote from: Canadouche on June 04, 2018, 05:54:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2018, 12:45:22 AM
I'm not quite sure how this thread has remained dormant for nearly a month. What the fuck, guys?
Everybody's too busy defending him on twitter.
Or comparing him to Michael Barrett.
God damn it, Chuck.
If you want to trend on Twitter, you must Tweet about a reckless bunt.
Quote from: Brownie on June 04, 2018, 10:54:55 PM
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Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2018, 12:45:22 AM
I'm not quite sure how this thread has remained dormant for nearly a month. What the fuck, guys?
Everybody's too busy defending him on twitter.
Or comparing him to Michael Barrett.
God damn it, Chuck.
If you want to trend on Twitter, you must Tweet about a reckless bunt.
You must also propose that a squeeze bunt with the runner breaking off third and a hitter who hates bunting somehow was doing it on his own and it was not a call from the dugout.
Doesn't respect the game.
Quote from: flannj on June 26, 2018, 11:06:46 PM
Doesn't respect the game.
That owned. Fuck the Dodgers.
EL MAGO
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EL MAGO
An All-Star.
Baseball's only superstar.
Another day, more magic on the field and on the bases
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 04, 2018, 02:54:15 PM
EL MAGO
An All-Star.
Baseball's only superstar.
Another day, more magic on the field and on the bases
He's gonna fuck up his back if he carries the team much longer.
Sorry, Mets, he's ours, all ours. (https://deadspin.com/javy-baez-is-now-as-great-as-he-is-captivating-1828165438) But can we interest you in a slightly used Elite Shortstop Addison Russell for one of those crummy pitchers of yours? Just a matter of time until you've got another Matt Harvey on your hands...you don't want that, do you?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 07, 2018, 02:26:50 PM
Sorry, Mets, he's ours, all ours. (https://deadspin.com/javy-baez-is-now-as-great-as-he-is-captivating-1828165438) But can we interest you in a slightly used Elite Shortstop Addison Russell for one of those crummy pitchers of yours? Just a matter of time until you've got another Matt Harvey on your hands...you don't want that, do you?
The best thing about this is that I can totally see the Mets metting their way into coughing up a top-of-the-rotation pitcher for a team's second-best shortstop.
DPD for more El Mago baserunning awesomeness in last night's game.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 06, 2018, 09:03:32 AM
DPD for more El Mago baserunning awesomeness in last night's game.
At this point, his reputation has so comprehensively given the defensive willies to all but the very calmest heads that he can more or less do what he likes. He's letting himself down a little bit here and there at the moment - I suspect it's been a long season - but I'm already looking forward to him creating even more bedlam on the bases at the beginning of next year when he's fresh again.
Quote from: Tonker on September 06, 2018, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 06, 2018, 09:03:32 AM
DPD for more El Mago baserunning awesomeness in last night's game.
At this point, his reputation has so comprehensively given the defensive willies to all but the very calmest heads that he can more or less do what he likes. He's letting himself down a little bit here and there at the moment - I suspect it's been a long season - but I'm already looking forward to him creating even more bedlam on the bases at the beginning of next year when he's fresh again.
Or when the postseason begins.
And I agree with your take--the first 4 months of the season the guy was impossible to throw out on the bases. I know he was 18-for-19 in stolen bases attempts at one point but it also seemed whenever he dared to take an extra base he always made it--it got to the point when, if I was listening to the radio for example and heard him take off, I just assumed Pat Hughes would call him safe and this was always the case ("Of course he's safe," I'd mutter to myself, "You can't throw Javy Baez out on the bases"). It seems around the time he was 18-for19 in SB attempts, he had also only been thrown out on the bases in a non-SB attempt one time. I'm sure this can be easily verified/disputed but I feel that through mid-July the dude had only been thrown on the basepaths two times all year. Since then, it's finally caught up to him. I know he's been gunned down a few times since while trying to take an extra bases and has also been thrown out on a few stolen base attempts but still--on balance, the guy is nearly impossible to gun down on the basepaths. What a skill-that-I-had-never-before-considered-to-be-such-a-tangible-skill. The guy just wreaks havoc on defenses, as he showed this series. Zo Cain is an arguable Gold Glove Centerfielder and Baez forced him into 2 errors this week--one fielding, one throwing, both simply due to Javy being Javy.
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 06, 2018, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: Tonker on September 06, 2018, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 06, 2018, 09:03:32 AM
DPD for more El Mago baserunning awesomeness in last night's game.
At this point, his reputation has so comprehensively given the defensive willies to all but the very calmest heads that he can more or less do what he likes. He's letting himself down a little bit here and there at the moment - I suspect it's been a long season - but I'm already looking forward to him creating even more bedlam on the bases at the beginning of next year when he's fresh again.
Or when the postseason begins.
And I agree with your take--the first 4 months of the season the guy was impossible to throw out on the bases. I know he was 18-for-19 in stolen bases attempts at one point but it also seemed whenever he dared to take an extra base he always made it--it got to the point when, if I was listening to the radio for example and heard him take off, I just assumed Pat Hughes would call him safe and this was always the case ("Of course he's safe," I'd mutter to myself, "You can't throw Javy Baez out on the bases"). It seems around the time he was 18-for19 in SB attempts, he had also only been thrown out on the bases in a non-SB attempt one time. I'm sure this can be easily verified/disputed but I feel that through mid-July the dude had only been thrown on the basepaths two times all year. Since then, it's finally caught up to him. I know he's been gunned down a few times since while trying to take an extra bases and has also been thrown out on a few stolen base attempts but still--on balance, the guy is nearly impossible to gun down on the basepaths. What a skill-that-I-had-never-before-considered-to-be-such-a-tangible-skill. The guy just wreaks havoc on defenses, as he showed this series. Zo Cain is an arguable Gold Glove Centerfielder and Baez forced him into 2 errors this week--one fielding, one throwing, both simply due to Javy being Javy.
Let's see. Who does Javy remind me of? Perhaps Rickey Henderson, who stole 1406 bases and hit 297 home runs.
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Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 06, 2018, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: Tonker on September 06, 2018, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 06, 2018, 09:03:32 AM
DPD for more El Mago baserunning awesomeness in last night's game.
At this point, his reputation has so comprehensively given the defensive willies to all but the very calmest heads that he can more or less do what he likes. He's letting himself down a little bit here and there at the moment - I suspect it's been a long season - but I'm already looking forward to him creating even more bedlam on the bases at the beginning of next year when he's fresh again.
Or when the postseason begins.
And I agree with your take--the first 4 months of the season the guy was impossible to throw out on the bases. I know he was 18-for-19 in stolen bases attempts at one point but it also seemed whenever he dared to take an extra base he always made it--it got to the point when, if I was listening to the radio for example and heard him take off, I just assumed Pat Hughes would call him safe and this was always the case ("Of course he's safe," I'd mutter to myself, "You can't throw Javy Baez out on the bases"). It seems around the time he was 18-for19 in SB attempts, he had also only been thrown out on the bases in a non-SB attempt one time. I'm sure this can be easily verified/disputed but I feel that through mid-July the dude had only been thrown on the basepaths two times all year. Since then, it's finally caught up to him. I know he's been gunned down a few times since while trying to take an extra bases and has also been thrown out on a few stolen base attempts but still--on balance, the guy is nearly impossible to gun down on the basepaths. What a skill-that-I-had-never-before-considered-to-be-such-a-tangible-skill. The guy just wreaks havoc on defenses, as he showed this series. Zo Cain is an arguable Gold Glove Centerfielder and Baez forced him into 2 errors this week--one fielding, one throwing, both simply due to Javy being Javy.
Let's see. Who does Javy remind me of? Perhaps Rickey Henderson, who stole 1406 bases and hit 297 home runs.
Jackie Robinson? He created a lot of havoc.
I wish I could dig up the article, but I read something not too long ago about how opposing teams at the time thought Roberto Clemente to be a very selfish player due to the havoc he wreaked on the base paths, because it's apparently very selfish for a brown baseball player to win baseball games by disrupting the shit out of the opposition. But reading that article reminded me a lot of Javy - so, in my mind, that's the guy I compare him to, mentally -- Clemente.
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 06, 2018, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: Tonker on September 06, 2018, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 06, 2018, 09:03:32 AM
DPD for more El Mago baserunning awesomeness in last night's game.
At this point, his reputation has so comprehensively given the defensive willies to all but the very calmest heads that he can more or less do what he likes. He's letting himself down a little bit here and there at the moment - I suspect it's been a long season - but I'm already looking forward to him creating even more bedlam on the bases at the beginning of next year when he's fresh again.
Or when the postseason begins.
And I agree with your take--the first 4 months of the season the guy was impossible to throw out on the bases. I know he was 18-for-19 in stolen bases attempts at one point but it also seemed whenever he dared to take an extra base he always made it--it got to the point when, if I was listening to the radio for example and heard him take off, I just assumed Pat Hughes would call him safe and this was always the case ("Of course he's safe," I'd mutter to myself, "You can't throw Javy Baez out on the bases"). It seems around the time he was 18-for19 in SB attempts, he had also only been thrown out on the bases in a non-SB attempt one time. I'm sure this can be easily verified/disputed but I feel that through mid-July the dude had only been thrown on the basepaths two times all year. Since then, it's finally caught up to him. I know he's been gunned down a few times since while trying to take an extra bases and has also been thrown out on a few stolen base attempts but still--on balance, the guy is nearly impossible to gun down on the basepaths. What a skill-that-I-had-never-before-considered-to-be-such-a-tangible-skill. The guy just wreaks havoc on defenses, as he showed this series. Zo Cain is an arguable Gold Glove Centerfielder and Baez forced him into 2 errors this week--one fielding, one throwing, both simply due to Javy being Javy.
Paragraphs are your friends, Huey. And I'll bet Oleg can scoot right around them bases.
Quote from: Wheezer on September 07, 2018, 03:59:34 AM
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 06, 2018, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: Tonker on September 06, 2018, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 06, 2018, 09:03:32 AM
DPD for more El Mago baserunning awesomeness in last night's game.
At this point, his reputation has so comprehensively given the defensive willies to all but the very calmest heads that he can more or less do what he likes. He's letting himself down a little bit here and there at the moment - I suspect it's been a long season - but I'm already looking forward to him creating even more bedlam on the bases at the beginning of next year when he's fresh again.
Or when the postseason begins.
And I agree with your take--the first 4 months of the season the guy was impossible to throw out on the bases. I know he was 18-for-19 in stolen bases attempts at one point but it also seemed whenever he dared to take an extra base he always made it--it got to the point when, if I was listening to the radio for example and heard him take off, I just assumed Pat Hughes would call him safe and this was always the case ("Of course he's safe," I'd mutter to myself, "You can't throw Javy Baez out on the bases"). It seems around the time he was 18-for19 in SB attempts, he had also only been thrown out on the bases in a non-SB attempt one time. I'm sure this can be easily verified/disputed but I feel that through mid-July the dude had only been thrown on the basepaths two times all year. Since then, it's finally caught up to him. I know he's been gunned down a few times since while trying to take an extra bases and has also been thrown out on a few stolen base attempts but still--on balance, the guy is nearly impossible to gun down on the basepaths. What a skill-that-I-had-never-before-considered-to-be-such-a-tangible-skill. The guy just wreaks havoc on defenses, as he showed this series. Zo Cain is an arguable Gold Glove Centerfielder and Baez forced him into 2 errors this week--one fielding, one throwing, both simply due to Javy being Javy.
Paragraphs are your friends, Huey. And I'll bet Oleg can scoot right around them bases.
As a fan of medieval texts, I enjoy seeing the scribe that transferred this text managed to write the 18-for-19 line a second time in this particular manuscript.
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/javier-baezs-other-secret-skill/
Imagine 10 years ago if someone had told you that the Cubs would have a guy who would score from second on a sac fly in one game, then score from first on a strikeout the next game, and the basic reaction would be, "Well, yeah. That's what he does."
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 16, 2020, 02:39:30 PM
Imagine 10 years ago if someone had told you that the Cubs would have a guy who would score from second on a sac fly in one game, then score from first on a strikeout the next game, and the basic reaction would be, "Well, yeah. That's what he does."
Done.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 16, 2020, 02:39:30 PM
Imagine 10 years ago if someone had told you that the Cubs would have a guy who would score from second on a sac fly in one game, then score from first on a strikeout the next game, and the basic reaction would be, "Well, yeah. That's what he does."
Or run from first back to home so a run could score, then wind up on second.
Goodbye, sweet prince. Detroit is lucky to have you.