Your new Bears GM Overlord is upon us.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 08, 2015, 02:08:38 PM
Your new Bears GM Overlord is upon us.
They're still shitty.
I think he's now the youngest GM in the NFL, right? Only 37.
Quote from: Eli on January 08, 2015, 02:26:48 PM
I think he's now the youngest GM in the NFL, right? Only 37.
Probably. He inherits a far bigger mess than Emery did but arguably a better situation. No one expects them to win shit next year and I actually think Emery has re-stocked the cabinet with some usable parts that can at least be part of a young core (Kyle Long, Alshon, Sutton, Ferguson, Vereen, Fuller, Bostic, Christian Jones all flashed some talent this year and even McLellin seems like he can stick at linebacker). Emery inherited an old-ass defense and a ten year legacy of bad drafts but a team that was expected to contend. Pace should seemingly get more than three years, I would think.
Quote from: SKO on January 08, 2015, 02:32:45 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 08, 2015, 02:26:48 PM
I think he's now the youngest GM in the NFL, right? Only 37.
Probably. He inherits a far bigger mess than Emery did but arguably a better situation. No one expects them to win shit next year and I actually think Emery has re-stocked the cabinet with some usable parts that can at least be part of a young core (Kyle Long, Alshon, Sutton, Ferguson, Vereen, Fuller, Bostic, Christian Jones all flashed some talent this year and even McLellin seems like he can stick at linebacker). Emery inherited an old-ass defense and a ten year legacy of bad drafts but a team that was expected to contend. Pace should seemingly get more than three years, I would think.
Sure. Whatever.
Quote from: Eli on January 08, 2015, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 08, 2015, 02:32:45 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 08, 2015, 02:26:48 PM
I think he's now the youngest GM in the NFL, right? Only 37.
Probably. He inherits a far bigger mess than Emery did but arguably a better situation. No one expects them to win shit next year and I actually think Emery has re-stocked the cabinet with some usable parts that can at least be part of a young core (Kyle Long, Alshon, Sutton, Ferguson, Vereen, Fuller, Bostic, Christian Jones all flashed some talent this year and even McLellin seems like he can stick at linebacker). Emery inherited an old-ass defense and a ten year legacy of bad drafts but a team that was expected to contend. Pace should seemingly get more than three years, I would think.
Sure. Whatever.
By "better situation" I didn't mean better for the team. I meant for his job security. They're gonna suck, so low expectations=more patience with the rebuild.
But they're definitely gonna suck.
I will admit some surprise in that I really expected from the tone of the press conference at Emery's firing and the backlash vs. Emery and Trestman that they'd get an older guy pushing a return to BEAR FOOTBAW. So...that's something.
Quote from: SKO on January 08, 2015, 02:32:45 PMeven McLellin seems like he can stick at linebacker
Wha? Granted, I tuned out the last few games of the season, so it's possible he stopped sucking then, but...huh?
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Quote from: SKO on January 08, 2015, 02:32:45 PMeven McLellin seems like he can stick at linebacker
Wha? Granted, I tuned out the last few games of the season, so it's possible he stopped sucking then, but...huh?
He sticks alright. To the spot where he lines up.
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Quote from: SKO on January 08, 2015, 02:32:45 PMeven McLellin seems like he can stick at linebacker
Wha? Granted, I tuned out the last few games of the season, so it's possible he stopped sucking then, but...huh?
PFF had him as a +1.2 overall on the season, grading positively in 5 of the last 7 games of the season (and the two where he didn't were basically average (-0.09, -0.07). He finished a +10.1 overall vs. the run. Nothing particularly special, but he was PFF's #24 overall ranked 4-3 OLB, #7 vs. the run. He's a piece.
Christian Jones also came on fairly strong, outside of an abysmal week 15 where Jimmy Graham absolutely destroyed him in pass coverage because Mel Tucker does things like cover Jimmy Graham with an undrafted rookie free agent linebacker. Were it not for the game he'd have also finished with a +1 overall grade.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 08, 2015, 02:54:26 PM
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Quote from: SKO on January 08, 2015, 02:32:45 PMeven McLellin seems like he can stick at linebacker
Wha? Granted, I tuned out the last few games of the season, so it's possible he stopped sucking then, but...huh?
He sticks alright. To the spot where he lines up.
He sticks alright. To anybody who blocks him.
Quote from: SKO on January 08, 2015, 02:32:45 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 08, 2015, 02:26:48 PM
I think he's now the youngest GM in the NFL, right? Only 37.
Probably. He inherits a far bigger mess than Emery did but arguably a better situation. No one expects them to win shit next year and I actually think Emery has re-stocked the cabinet with some usable parts that can at least be part of a young core (Kyle Long, Alshon, Sutton, Ferguson, Vereen, Fuller, Bostic, Christian Jones all flashed some talent this year and even McLellin seems like he can stick at linebacker). Emery inherited an old-ass defense and a ten year legacy of bad drafts but a team that was expected to contend. Pace should seemingly get more than three years, I would think.
HA!
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 08, 2015, 02:54:26 PM
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Quote from: SKO on January 08, 2015, 02:32:45 PMeven McLellin seems like he can stick at linebacker
Wha? Granted, I tuned out the last few games of the season, so it's possible he stopped sucking then, but...huh?
He sticks alright. To the spot where he lines up.
He sticks alright. To anybody who blocks him.
He sticks alright. To the ribs of the guys who eat him for lunch every Sunday.
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Quote from: SKO on January 08, 2015, 02:32:45 PMeven McLellin seems like he can stick at linebacker
Wha? Granted, I tuned out the last few games of the season, so it's possible he stopped sucking then, but...huh?
He sticks alright. To the spot where he lines up.
He sticks alright. To anybody who blocks him.
He sticks alright. To the ribs of the guys who eat him for lunch every Sunday.
He sticks alright. To something stupid and I hate you guys.
He stinks alright. He stinks like poop.
Quote from: Eli on January 08, 2015, 02:26:48 PM
I think he's now the youngest GM in the NFL, right? Only 37.
I've got underwear older than that.
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I think he's now the youngest GM in the NFL, right? Only 37.
I've got underwear older than that.
Does Spare the Air apply to wearing those things? Because it should.
Ted's still the boss.
Just draft and hire well, Ryan.
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Just draft and hire well, Ryan.
Do your job well, Ryan.
Be a GM, Ryan.
Be Ryan.
Brian.
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Just draft and hire well, Ryan.
Do your job well, Ryan.
Be a GM, Ryan.
Be Ryan.
Brian.
BC
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Just draft and hire well, Ryan.
Do your job well, Ryan.
Be a GM, Ryan.
Be Ryan.
Brian.
BC
CB
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Just draft and hire well, Ryan.
Do your job well, Ryan.
Be a GM, Ryan.
Be Ryan.
Brian.
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Chicago Bears
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Just draft and hire well, Ryan.
Do your job well, Ryan.
Be a GM, Ryan.
Be Ryan.
Brian.
BC
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You hear they got a new GM?
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Just draft and hire well, Ryan.
Do your job well, Ryan.
Be a GM, Ryan.
Be Ryan.
Brian.
BC
CB
Chicago Bears
You hear they got a new GM?
DEY SHOULD GIVE DAT RYNE GUY A #23 JERSEY SO HE LERNS DA CHICAGO WAY!
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Just draft and hire well, Ryan.
Do your job well, Ryan.
Be a GM, Ryan.
Be Ryan.
Brian.
BC
CB
Chicago Bears
You hear they got a new GM?
DEY SHOULD GIVE DAT RYNE GUY A #23 JERSEY SO HE LERNS DA CHICAGO WAY!
They probably have some unsold Devin Hester jerseys stuffed in the supply closet, would that work?
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Just draft and hire well, Ryan.
Do your job well, Ryan.
Be a GM, Ryan.
Be Ryan.
Brian.
BC
CB
Chicago Bears
You hear they got a new GM?
DEY SHOULD GIVE DAT RYNE GUY A #23 JERSEY SO HE LERNS DA CHICAGO WAY!
They probably have some unsold Devin Hester jerseys stuffed in the supply closet, would that work?
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If this is true, and he brings Kyle Shanahan with him as OC, that's a pretty solid move for the Bears.
Dennis Allen rumored DC.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 14, 2015, 02:14:05 PM
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If this is true, and he brings Kyle Shanahan with him as OC, that's a pretty solid move for the Bears.
Dennis Allen rumored DC.
Count me as whelmed. Although I am intrigued by Kyle Shanahan as OC. Not really a guy I'd call a bad hire but hard to see how he does much more than coach 'em up to their Lovie Era height of "respectable but rarely relevant".
Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2015, 02:28:49 PM
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If this is true, and he brings Kyle Shanahan with him as OC, that's a pretty solid move for the Bears.
Dennis Allen rumored DC.
Count me as whelmed. Although I am intrigued by Kyle Shanahan as OC. Not really a guy I'd call a bad hire but hard to see how he does much more than coach 'em up to their Lovie Era height of "respectable but rarely relevant".
Totally agree.
They should go out of the box on this hire. Really shake things up.
Maybe Canada?
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If this is true, and he brings Kyle Shanahan with him as OC, that's a pretty solid move for the Bears.
Dennis Allen rumored DC.
Count me as whelmed. Although I am intrigued by Kyle Shanahan as OC. Not really a guy I'd call a bad hire but hard to see how he does much more than coach 'em up to their Lovie Era height of "respectable but rarely relevant".
Totally agree.
They should go out of the box on this hire. Really shake things up.
Maybe Canada?
I get that the Trestman thing burned them badly but that shouldn't scare you into only going with retreads the rest of the way. They didn't err in hiring Marc Trestman over some retread like Norv Turner or something, they erred in hiring him over a promising coordinator like Arians.
Fox is just too similar to Lovie for me to really be excited. That doesn't make it a bad hire. Very possible he turns them around quickly like he did Carolina, I just think there's a good chance he isn't able to get this shitty defense up to speed and can't rely on his normal (when he didn't have Peyton, anyway) approach of ground-and-pound, ball control offense that lets the defense win games, and they end up with a nice run of 7-9 or 8-8 seasons.
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If this is true, and he brings Kyle Shanahan with him as OC, that's a pretty solid move for the Bears.
Dennis Allen rumored DC.
Count me as whelmed. Although I am intrigued by Kyle Shanahan as OC. Not really a guy I'd call a bad hire but hard to see how he does much more than coach 'em up to their Lovie Era height of "respectable but rarely relevant".
Totally agree.
They should go out of the box on this hire. Really shake things up.
Maybe Canada?
I get that the Trestman thing burned them badly but that shouldn't scare you into only going with retreads the rest of the way. They didn't err in hiring Marc Trestman over some retread like Norv Turner or something, they erred in hiring him over a promising coordinator like Arians.
Fox is just too similar to Lovie for me to really be excited. That doesn't make it a bad hire. Very possible he turns them around quickly like he did Carolina, I just think there's a good chance he isn't able to get this shitty defense up to speed and can't rely on his normal (when he didn't have Peyton, anyway) approach of ground-and-pound, ball control offense that lets the defense win games, and they end up with a nice run of 7-9 or 8-8 seasons.
Well, in future coach's defense, they're going to probably be in the 7-9/8-8 range as long as they have limited talent on defense and a mediocre QB.
Couple things go right and you maybe get to 10-6, but ultimately John Fox or Hot Shot Coordinator is probably not the difference maker.
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If this is true, and he brings Kyle Shanahan with him as OC, that's a pretty solid move for the Bears.
Dennis Allen rumored DC.
Count me as whelmed. Although I am intrigued by Kyle Shanahan as OC. Not really a guy I'd call a bad hire but hard to see how he does much more than coach 'em up to their Lovie Era height of "respectable but rarely relevant".
Totally agree.
They should go out of the box on this hire. Really shake things up.
Maybe Canada?
I get that the Trestman thing burned them badly but that shouldn't scare you into only going with retreads the rest of the way. They didn't err in hiring Marc Trestman over some retread like Norv Turner or something, they erred in hiring him over a promising coordinator like Arians.
Fox is just too similar to Lovie for me to really be excited. That doesn't make it a bad hire. Very possible he turns them around quickly like he did Carolina, I just think there's a good chance he isn't able to get this shitty defense up to speed and can't rely on his normal (when he didn't have Peyton, anyway) approach of ground-and-pound, ball control offense that lets the defense win games, and they end up with a nice run of 7-9 or 8-8 seasons.
Well, in future coach's defense, they're going to probably be in the 7-9/8-8 range as long as they have limited talent on defense and a mediocre QB.
Couple things go right and you maybe get to 10-6, but ultimately John Fox or Hot Shot Coordinator is probably not the difference maker.
So the consensus then is they're still shitty?
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(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/714/6637151091.jpg)
If this is true, and he brings Kyle Shanahan with him as OC, that's a pretty solid move for the Bears.
Dennis Allen rumored DC.
Count me as whelmed. Although I am intrigued by Kyle Shanahan as OC. Not really a guy I'd call a bad hire but hard to see how he does much more than coach 'em up to their Lovie Era height of "respectable but rarely relevant".
Totally agree.
They should go out of the box on this hire. Really shake things up.
Maybe Canada?
I get that the Trestman thing burned them badly but that shouldn't scare you into only going with retreads the rest of the way. They didn't err in hiring Marc Trestman over some retread like Norv Turner or something, they erred in hiring him over a promising coordinator like Arians.
Fox is just too similar to Lovie for me to really be excited. That doesn't make it a bad hire. Very possible he turns them around quickly like he did Carolina, I just think there's a good chance he isn't able to get this shitty defense up to speed and can't rely on his normal (when he didn't have Peyton, anyway) approach of ground-and-pound, ball control offense that lets the defense win games, and they end up with a nice run of 7-9 or 8-8 seasons.
Well, in future coach's defense, they're going to probably be in the 7-9/8-8 range as long as they have limited talent on defense and a mediocre QB.
Couple things go right and you maybe get to 10-6, but ultimately John Fox or Hot Shot Coordinator is probably not the difference maker.
So the consensus then is they're still shitty?
Shitty but marginally competent, which is a nice change.
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If this is true, and he brings Kyle Shanahan with him as OC, that's a pretty solid move for the Bears.
Dennis Allen rumored DC.
Count me as whelmed. Although I am intrigued by Kyle Shanahan as OC. Not really a guy I'd call a bad hire but hard to see how he does much more than coach 'em up to their Lovie Era height of "respectable but rarely relevant".
Totally agree.
They should go out of the box on this hire. Really shake things up.
Maybe Canada?
I get that the Trestman thing burned them badly but that shouldn't scare you into only going with retreads the rest of the way. They didn't err in hiring Marc Trestman over some retread like Norv Turner or something, they erred in hiring him over a promising coordinator like Arians.
Fox is just too similar to Lovie for me to really be excited. That doesn't make it a bad hire. Very possible he turns them around quickly like he did Carolina, I just think there's a good chance he isn't able to get this shitty defense up to speed and can't rely on his normal (when he didn't have Peyton, anyway) approach of ground-and-pound, ball control offense that lets the defense win games, and they end up with a nice run of 7-9 or 8-8 seasons.
Well, in future coach's defense, they're going to probably be in the 7-9/8-8 range as long as they have limited talent on defense and a mediocre QB.
Couple things go right and you maybe get to 10-6, but ultimately John Fox or Hot Shot Coordinator is probably not the difference maker.
So the consensus then is they're still shitty?
Shitty but marginally competent, which is a nice change.
Does anyone recall a coach getting a third head coaching gig in the NFL before?
Marty Schottenheimer (4 teams) is the only one I can think of.
Edit: Full list, modern era.
- Chuck Knox coached 3 teams, including the Rams twice.
- Obviously forgot Bill Parcells, who coached 4 teams.
- Wade Phillips coached 3 teams and served as interim for 3 other teams.
- Mike Shanahan coached 3 teams.
- Norv Turner has had 3 head coaching jobs
- Dick Vermeil coached 3 teams
So, there you go. Not unprecedented at all.
/coolstorybro
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If this is true, and he brings Kyle Shanahan with him as OC, that's a pretty solid move for the Bears.
Dennis Allen rumored DC.
Count me as whelmed. Although I am intrigued by Kyle Shanahan as OC. Not really a guy I'd call a bad hire but hard to see how he does much more than coach 'em up to their Lovie Era height of "respectable but rarely relevant".
Totally agree.
They should go out of the box on this hire. Really shake things up.
Maybe Canada?
I get that the Trestman thing burned them badly but that shouldn't scare you into only going with retreads the rest of the way. They didn't err in hiring Marc Trestman over some retread like Norv Turner or something, they erred in hiring him over a promising coordinator like Arians.
Fox is just too similar to Lovie for me to really be excited. That doesn't make it a bad hire. Very possible he turns them around quickly like he did Carolina, I just think there's a good chance he isn't able to get this shitty defense up to speed and can't rely on his normal (when he didn't have Peyton, anyway) approach of ground-and-pound, ball control offense that lets the defense win games, and they end up with a nice run of 7-9 or 8-8 seasons.
Well, in future coach's defense, they're going to probably be in the 7-9/8-8 range as long as they have limited talent on defense and a mediocre QB.
Couple things go right and you maybe get to 10-6, but ultimately John Fox or Hot Shot Coordinator is probably not the difference maker.
So the consensus then is they're still shitty?
Shitty but marginally competent, which is a nice change.
Does anyone recall a coach getting a third head coaching gig in the NFL before?
Marty Schottenheimer (4 teams) is the only one I can think of.
Edit: Full list, modern era.
- Chuck Knox coached 3 teams, including the Rams twice.
- Obviously forgot Bill Parcells, who coached 4 teams.
- Wade Phillips coached 3 teams and served as interim for 3 other teams.
- Mike Shanahan coached 3 teams.
- Norv Turner has had 3 head coaching jobs
- Dick Vermeil coached 3 teams
So, there you go. Not unprecedented at all.
/coolstorybro
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
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And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
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Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
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Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm gonna go ahead and validate all this.
SKO's earned it.
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Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
Shut up, Kyle. You're a douche.
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
That's exactly what I'm upset about. It's not even their fault. They're stuck in a situation where the best available coach is a B+. And they've got a B- quarterback they're stuck with. They're still going to be in a division with the greatest QB God's ever put on earth for the next few years and their best option to counter that is a bunch of "eh, could do worse" options. They're screwed, and I'm just embracing nihilism as the only way to function.
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/715/2950487863.png)
Quote from: PenFoe on January 15, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/715/2950487863.png)
This. They missed the boat. The guy was there, he wanted the job, they had the personnel to fit his offense to a T, and they hired CFL guy. That decision's going to hang over them like a black fucking cloud forever, and it probably should. I'm not gonna talk myself into liking their attempts to plug the dam. I'm just gonna sit here and be an asshole, and it seems like it's worked out pretty well for Fro. He's been right more than I have.
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
That's exactly what I'm upset about. It's not even their fault. They're stuck in a situation where the best available coach is a B+. And they've got a B- quarterback they're stuck with. They're still going to be in a division with the greatest QB God's ever put on earth for the next few years and their best option to counter that is a bunch of "eh, could do worse" options. They're screwed, and I'm just embracing nihilism as the only way to function.
Ever?
Quote from: PANK! on January 15, 2015, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
That's exactly what I'm upset about. It's not even their fault. They're stuck in a situation where the best available coach is a B+. And they've got a B- quarterback they're stuck with. They're still going to be in a division with the greatest QB God's ever put on earth for the next few years and their best option to counter that is a bunch of "eh, could do worse" options. They're screwed, and I'm just embracing nihilism as the only way to function.
Ever?
Probably.
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 15, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/715/2950487863.png)
This. They missed the boat. The guy was there, he wanted the job, they had the personnel to fit his offense to a T, and they hired CFL guy. That decision's going to hang over them like a black fucking cloud forever, and it probably should. I'm not gonna talk myself into liking their attempts to plug the dam. I'm just gonna sit here and be an asshole, and it seems like it's worked out pretty well for Fro. He's been right more than I have.
I can't help myself.
Quote from: SKO, 8/30/13
I'm just glad they didn't hire Arians.
Quote from: SKO, 4/2/13
Basically. Arians is a Mike Martz that the world has yet to turn on.
*Ignores all my own posts about Arians.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 15, 2015, 02:20:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 15, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/715/2950487863.png)
This. They missed the boat. The guy was there, he wanted the job, they had the personnel to fit his offense to a T, and they hired CFL guy. That decision's going to hang over them like a black fucking cloud forever, and it probably should. I'm not gonna talk myself into liking their attempts to plug the dam. I'm just gonna sit here and be an asshole, and it seems like it's worked out pretty well for Fro. He's been right more than I have.
I can't help myself.
Quote from: SKO, 8/30/13
I'm just glad they didn't hire Arians.
Quote from: SKO, 4/2/13
Basically. Arians is a Mike Martz that the world has yet to turn on.
*Ignores all my own posts about Arians.
See, this is why I have embraced the fatalism of the fact that everything I know or think I believe in is wrong. I am a bad person. This season was my penance. Hair shirts are really itchy, though.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 15, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/715/2950487863.png)
Yes, there are exceptions to most things. Good job.
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 15, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/715/2950487863.png)
Yes, there are exceptions to most things. Good job.
Two of your last three posts say the same thing.
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 15, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/715/2950487863.png)
Yes, there are exceptions to most things. Good job.
Actually I was wrong. There is one coach currently who has won a superbowl on his 3rd head coaching gig. Pete Carroll. so, yay.
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 15, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/715/2950487863.png)
Yes, there are exceptions to most things. Good job.
Actually I was wrong. There is one coach currently who has won a superbowl on his 3rd head coaching gig. Pete Carroll. so, yay.
otherwise:
2013- Seahawks, Carroll- 3rd HC gig
2012- Ravens-Harbaugh- 1st
2011- Giants- Coughlin- 2nd
2010- Packers- McCarthy- 1st
2009- Saints- Payton- 1st
2008- Steelers-Tomlin-1st
2007-Giants-Coughlin- 2nd
2006-Colts-Dungy-2nd
2005-Steelers-Cowher-1st
2004-Patriots-Belichick-2nd
2003-Patriots-Belichick-2nd
2002-Bucs-Gruden-2nd
2001-Patriots-Belichick-2nd
2000-Ravens-Billick-1st
1999-Rams-Vermeil-2nd
1998-Broncos-Shanahan-2nd
So I'd say we're just mostly fucked that this is Fox's 3rd gig, and not his 2nd, which appears to be the sweet spot.
I realize sample size and that this is a horrible way to use any stat whatsoever but nope I'm just gonna keep being a dick.
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 02:54:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 15, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/715/2950487863.png)
Yes, there are exceptions to most things. Good job.
Actually I was wrong. There is one coach currently who has won a superbowl on his 3rd head coaching gig. Pete Carroll. so, yay.
otherwise:
2013- Seahawks, Carroll- 3rd HC gig
2012- Ravens-Harbaugh- 1st
2011- Giants- Coughlin- 2nd
2010- Packers- McCarthy- 1st
2009- Saints- Payton- 1st
2008- Steelers-Tomlin-1st
2007-Giants-Coughlin- 2nd
2006-Colts-Dungy-2nd
2005-Steelers-Cowher-1st
2004-Patriots-Belichick-2nd
2003-Patriots-Belichick-2nd
2002-Bucs-Gruden-2nd
2001-Patriots-Belichick-2nd
2000-Ravens-Billick-1st
1999-Rams-Vermeil-2nd
1998-Broncos-Shanahan-2nd
So I'd say we're just mostly fucked that this is Fox's 3rd gig, and not his 2nd, which appears to be the sweet spot.
Quick math, 22 of the 30 Super bowl winning coaches were on their first job.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 15, 2015, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 02:54:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 15, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/715/2950487863.png)
Yes, there are exceptions to most things. Good job.
Actually I was wrong. There is one coach currently who has won a superbowl on his 3rd head coaching gig. Pete Carroll. so, yay.
otherwise:
2013- Seahawks, Carroll- 3rd HC gig
2012- Ravens-Harbaugh- 1st
2011- Giants- Coughlin- 2nd
2010- Packers- McCarthy- 1st
2009- Saints- Payton- 1st
2008- Steelers-Tomlin-1st
2007-Giants-Coughlin- 2nd
2006-Colts-Dungy-2nd
2005-Steelers-Cowher-1st
2004-Patriots-Belichick-2nd
2003-Patriots-Belichick-2nd
2002-Bucs-Gruden-2nd
2001-Patriots-Belichick-2nd
2000-Ravens-Billick-1st
1999-Rams-Vermeil-2nd
1998-Broncos-Shanahan-2nd
So I'd say we're just mostly fucked that this is Fox's 3rd gig, and not his 2nd, which appears to be the sweet spot.
Quick math, 22 of the 30 Super bowl winning coaches were on their first job.
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
That's exactly what I'm upset about. It's not even their fault. They're stuck in a situation where the best available coach is a B+. And they've got a B- quarterback they're stuck with. They're still going to be in a division with the greatest QB God's ever put on earth for the next few years and their best option to counter that is a bunch of "eh, could do worse" options. They're screwed, and I'm just embracing nihilism as the only way to function.
Did the Lions sign Henry Burris when we weren't looking?
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
That's exactly what I'm upset about. It's not even their fault. They're stuck in a situation where the best available coach is a B+. And they've got a B- quarterback they're stuck with. They're still going to be in a division with the greatest QB God's ever put on earth for the next few years and their best option to counter that is a bunch of "eh, could do worse" options. They're screwed, and I'm just embracing nihilism as the only way to function.
It kind of might be their fault.
Quote from: flannj on January 15, 2015, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
That's exactly what I'm upset about. It's not even their fault. They're stuck in a situation where the best available coach is a B+. And they've got a B- quarterback they're stuck with. They're still going to be in a division with the greatest QB God's ever put on earth for the next few years and their best option to counter that is a bunch of "eh, could do worse" options. They're screwed, and I'm just embracing nihilism as the only way to function.
It kind of might be their fault.
This thread is pretty amazing. I'm on the Bears HateWagon myself. I'm not going to get excited about anything Bears-related ever again. Fuck every Bears player or coach past and present except for Charles Tillman and Walter Payton.
Quote from: flannj on January 15, 2015, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
That's exactly what I'm upset about. It's not even their fault. They're stuck in a situation where the best available coach is a B+. And they've got a B- quarterback they're stuck with. They're still going to be in a division with the greatest QB God's ever put on earth for the next few years and their best option to counter that is a bunch of "eh, could do worse" options. They're screwed, and I'm just embracing nihilism as the only way to function.
It kind of might be their fault.
Well yeah, I mean it is their fault as an organization that they are in this mess. But now that they're stuck in the position of having to clean it up I can't even say getting John Fox is the wrong move, just that I have a deep and abiding faith that he may be the best coach available and it's still not going to make a fucking bit of difference.
Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2015, 11:41:16 AM
Quote from: flannj on January 15, 2015, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 15, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 15, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
And if memory serves, not one of those guys won a superbowl with team #3.
Which proves it's impossible.
Look, you assholes got six years of the optimistic fuckhead who thought Kyle Orton was a starting QB and Jay Cutler was the savior and Angelo wasn't as bad as people thought and Emery and Trestman were forward thinking innovators. That fuckhead is dead. Pessimistic Kyle is back and you're all going to look back at those years fondly. You're going to miss the guy who spent 2,000 words telling you why Jay's bad haircut was good for the offense's prospects. This organization is fucked. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
I'm arguing (?) with a meme now, but in the interest of relative seriousness, I don't really know who the preferred hire is supposed to be. Fox has a generally good resume and I think the only reason people want an up-and-coming coordinator is because they haven't had a chance to see that person be a crappy head coach yet.
I understand that it's kind of unexciting, but I think it's probably the best hire they could make.
That's exactly what I'm upset about. It's not even their fault. They're stuck in a situation where the best available coach is a B+. And they've got a B- quarterback they're stuck with. They're still going to be in a division with the greatest QB God's ever put on earth for the next few years and their best option to counter that is a bunch of "eh, could do worse" options. They're screwed, and I'm just embracing nihilism as the only way to function.
It kind of might be their fault.
Well yeah, I mean it is their fault as an organization that they are in this mess. But now that they're stuck in the position of having to clean it up I can't even say getting John Fox is the wrong move, just that I have a deep and abiding faith that he may be the best coach available and it's still not going to make a fucking bit of difference.
Man, what are the chances of a) the Bears actually, against the odds, being any good in the foreseeable future, or b) SKO getting to the point of not caring any more? Because I don't know how much more of this I can take.
Quote from: Tonker on January 16, 2015, 01:09:06 PM
Man, what are the chances of a) the Bears actually, against the odds, being any good in the foreseeable future, or b) SKO getting to the point of not caring any more? Because I don't know how much more of this I can take.
I feel like Option A is totally possible, if Pace is as smart as advertised. Turnarounds in the NFL can happen fast. It may not be next year, but there is still a decent amount of talent on the roster. And even in 2015, they'll get some benefit from a last-place schedule next year, if you're feeling optimistic (which no one is, apparently).
Quote from: Eli on January 16, 2015, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: Tonker on January 16, 2015, 01:09:06 PM
Man, what are the chances of a) the Bears actually, against the odds, being any good in the foreseeable future, or b) SKO getting to the point of not caring any more? Because I don't know how much more of this I can take.
I feel like Option A is totally possible, if Pace is as smart as advertised. Turnarounds in the NFL can happen fast. It may not be next year, but there is still a decent amount of talent on the roster. And even in 2015, they'll get some benefit from a last-place schedule next year, if you're feeling optimistic (which no one is, apparently).
Turnarounds happen so fast, in fact, that the two games per season that are determined by previous finish may not be cakewalks. Marinelli's back with Lovie in Tampa so those fuckers are loaded for Bear. DOOOOOM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 16, 2015, 03:55:56 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 16, 2015, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: Tonker on January 16, 2015, 01:09:06 PM
Man, what are the chances of a) the Bears actually, against the odds, being any good in the foreseeable future, or b) SKO getting to the point of not caring any more? Because I don't know how much more of this I can take.
I feel like Option A is totally possible, if Pace is as smart as advertised. Turnarounds in the NFL can happen fast. It may not be next year, but there is still a decent amount of talent on the roster. And even in 2015, they'll get some benefit from a last-place schedule next year, if you're feeling optimistic (which no one is, apparently).
Turnarounds happen so fast, in fact, that the two games per season that are determined by previous finish may not be cakewalks. Marinelli's back with Lovie in Tampa so those fuckers are loaded for Bear. DOOOOOM
Marinelli gonna coach in Tampa AND Dallas next year? Or was signing a 3 year extension with the Cowboys just some kind of trick?
Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2015, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 16, 2015, 03:55:56 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 16, 2015, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: Tonker on January 16, 2015, 01:09:06 PM
Man, what are the chances of a) the Bears actually, against the odds, being any good in the foreseeable future, or b) SKO getting to the point of not caring any more? Because I don't know how much more of this I can take.
I feel like Option A is totally possible, if Pace is as smart as advertised. Turnarounds in the NFL can happen fast. It may not be next year, but there is still a decent amount of talent on the roster. And even in 2015, they'll get some benefit from a last-place schedule next year, if you're feeling optimistic (which no one is, apparently).
Turnarounds happen so fast, in fact, that the two games per season that are determined by previous finish may not be cakewalks. Marinelli's back with Lovie in Tampa so those fuckers are loaded for Bear. DOOOOOM
Marinelli gonna coach in Tampa AND Dallas next year? Or was signing a 3 year extension with the Cowboys just some kind of trick?
I guess I shouldn't believe everything I read on Twitter.
The Tribune asks,
"Bears fans, does John Fox's age concern you?"
No.
The Bears have signed former 49ers DL Ray McDonald (http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/12551600/chicago-bears-sign-free-agent-lineman-ray-mcdonald)
QuoteMcDonald was released by the San Francisco 49ers in December after law enforcement officials in San Jose, California, said he was under investigation on suspicion of sexual assault. McDonald hasn't been charged in that case, which remains open.
I hate this team.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 24, 2015, 05:04:48 PM
The Bears have signed former 49ers DL Ray McDonald (http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/12551600/chicago-bears-sign-free-agent-lineman-ray-mcdonald)
QuoteMcDonald was released by the San Francisco 49ers in December after law enforcement officials in San Jose, California, said he was under investigation on suspicion of sexual assault. McDonald hasn't been charged in that case, which remains open.
I hate this team.
In-depth interview with George McCaskey on the signing. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-george-mccaskey-ray-mcdonald-signing-20150324-story.html#page=1)
Some of it is pretty coherent, but hard to get around this gem.
Quote
An alleged victim, I think -- much like anybody else who has a bias in this situation -- there's a certain amount of discounting in what they have to say.
Quote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 24, 2015, 05:04:48 PM
The Bears have signed former 49ers DL Ray McDonald (http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/12551600/chicago-bears-sign-free-agent-lineman-ray-mcdonald)
QuoteMcDonald was released by the San Francisco 49ers in December after law enforcement officials in San Jose, California, said he was under investigation on suspicion of sexual assault. McDonald hasn't been charged in that case, which remains open.
I hate this team.
In-depth interview with George McCaskey on the signing. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-george-mccaskey-ray-mcdonald-signing-20150324-story.html#page=1)
Some of it is pretty coherent, but hard to get around this gem.
Quote
An alleged victim, I think -- much like anybody else who has a bias in this situation -- there's a certain amount of discounting in what they have to say.
The whole thing is digusting and I'm done. They talked to his parents, you know. His fucking parents. Those were their character witnesses. The alleged victim has bias but HIS FUCKING PARENTS don't, I guess. Fuck this team.
QuoteQuote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
An alleged victim, I think -- much like anybody else who has a bias in this situation -- there's a certain amount of discounting in what they have to say.
That's some Chuck Johnson level men's rights bullshit right there. Deplorable.
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2015, 02:34:44 PM
QuoteQuote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
An alleged victim, I think -- much like anybody else who has a bias in this situation -- there's a certain amount of discounting in what they have to say.
That's some Chuck Johnson level men's rights bullshit right there. Deplorable.
Chuck can't hear you over the sound of the TRUTH #tcot
(http://i0.wp.com/ConservativeReport.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ChuckCigar.jpg?resize=316%2C422)
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2015, 02:34:44 PM
QuoteQuote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
An alleged victim, I think -- much like anybody else who has a bias in this situation -- there's a certain amount of discounting in what they have to say.
That's some Chuck Johnson level men's rights bullshit right there. Deplorable.
DPD. How about this:
QuoteWhen character issues or the legal issues involve a woman as in the case with the sexual assault, do you feel a deeper accountability to your mother, who is obviously still such a big part of the organization?
McCaskey: I don't think so. Because to me there's an element of reverse sexism there. It's not like somebody has a greater responsibility to the social issue because of their gender. We're all responsible. And we recognize at the NFL that we have an opportunity to make a difference in this area. And everyone in the NFL is committed to doing that.
Reverse sexism. Gosh darn women, always discriminating against the menz.
QuoteWhat troubled you the most?
McCaskey: The pattern. The frequency. Ray and I talked about this. I told him that my assessment was 'bad decision-making,' allowing himself to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, or not withdrawing from a situation at the appropriate time. And I told him, if he's to remain a Bear, that needs to improve. And he pledged to me that it would.
See? His fist was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Total accident. It was a trap. What a bitch. Somewhere Ray Rice is nodding in agreement.
QuoteDid you have to convince your mother? Was she OK with decision?
McCaskey: We talked about it, had a good discussion about it. In fairness to her, as in fairness to Ray, I don't want to talk about the particulars of the conversation. But in the end she put her trust in me and I'm putting my trust in Ryan.
Throwing him under the bus already. That was fast.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 25, 2015, 03:04:01 PM
wrong place at the wrong time
I wonder how many times "wrong place, wrong time" has been used where the wrong place/time was "at home with the missus."
Quote from: ChuckD on March 25, 2015, 03:17:17 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 25, 2015, 03:04:01 PM
wrong place at the wrong time
I wonder how many times "wrong place, wrong time" has been used where the wrong place/time was "at home with the missus."
Trying to retrace his steps that whole night like, man, I know I was at work, then all of a sudden I was at my house in my living room with my girlfriend hitting her, how did
that happen? So random. Gotta do a better job of "withdrawing" from the situation next time. Go sit on the roof or something. Women.
Quote from: ChuckD on March 25, 2015, 03:17:17 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 25, 2015, 03:04:01 PM
wrong place at the wrong time
I wonder how many times "wrong place, wrong time" has been used where the wrong place/time was "at home with the missus."
He tried to get some love outside of that hurtful relationship and the dog gone wench accused him of rape! HE CAN'T WIN!!!
Quote from: InternetApex on March 25, 2015, 03:56:47 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on March 25, 2015, 03:17:17 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 25, 2015, 03:04:01 PM
wrong place at the wrong time
I wonder how many times "wrong place, wrong time" has been used where the wrong place/time was "at home with the missus."
He tried to get some love outside of that hurtful relationship and the dog gone wench accused him of rape! HE CAN'T WIN!!!
Here's a good analysis (http://www.aleagueofherown.com/chicago-bears-ray-mcdonald/) of this signing and the Bears' stated justifications from Julie DiCaro.
Fuck this team.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 25, 2015, 04:26:56 PM
Fuck this team.
This team? How about the whole NFL? The Bears don't have a history of employing a bunch of Charm School Graduates over the years, either.
They signed McDonald because he's good at football. Starlin Castro: good at baseball, and no one on this board not employed by a suburban bank is clamoring for him to be shipped out.
Quote from: Brownie on March 25, 2015, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 25, 2015, 04:26:56 PM
Fuck this team.
This team? How about the whole NFL? The Bears don't have a history of employing a bunch of Charm School Graduates over the years, either.
They signed McDonald because he's good at football. Starlin Castro: good at baseball, and no one on this board not employed by a suburban bank is clamoring for him to be shipped out.
Did I miss the part where Starlin beat his pregnant girlfriend? I love that past employment of scumbags justifies future employment. God forbid you raise the standard. McDonald's a mediocre 31 year old 5 tech on a team that's not winning shit next year. There was no need to make this signing other than to make themselves look bad. Fuck em.
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: Brownie on March 25, 2015, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 25, 2015, 04:26:56 PM
Fuck this team.
This team? How about the whole NFL? The Bears don't have a history of employing a bunch of Charm School Graduates over the years, either.
They signed McDonald because he's good at football. Starlin Castro: good at baseball, and no one on this board not employed by a suburban bank is clamoring for him to be shipped out.
Did I miss the part where Starlin beat his pregnant girlfriend? I love that past employment of scumbags justifies future employment. God forbid you raise the standard. McDonald's a mediocre 31 year old 5 tech on a team that's not winning shit next year. There was no need to make this signing other than to make themselves look bad. Fuck em.
Fuckem, indeed. But this is the same team that signed Bryan Cox, among others.
The league is fucked.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 25, 2015, 02:45:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2015, 02:34:44 PM
QuoteQuote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
An alleged victim, I think -- much like anybody else who has a bias in this situation -- there's a certain amount of discounting in what they have to say.
That's some Chuck Johnson level men's rights bullshit right there. Deplorable.
Chuck can't hear you over the sound of the TRUTH #tcot
(http://i0.wp.com/ConservativeReport.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ChuckCigar.jpg?resize=316%2C422)
Christ, he is such a fucking fist magnet.
Quote from: Bort on March 26, 2015, 12:56:16 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 25, 2015, 02:45:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2015, 02:34:44 PM
QuoteQuote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
An alleged victim, I think -- much like anybody else who has a bias in this situation -- there's a certain amount of discounting in what they have to say.
That's some Chuck Johnson level men's rights bullshit right there. Deplorable.
Chuck can't hear you over the sound of the TRUTH #tcot
(http://i0.wp.com/ConservativeReport.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ChuckCigar.jpg?resize=316%2C422)
Christ, he is such a fucking fist magnet.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_WCdJxUIAATi3s.jpg)
Quote from: Brownie on March 25, 2015, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 25, 2015, 04:26:56 PM
Fuck this team.
This team? How about the whole NFL? The Bears don't have a history of employing a bunch of Charm School Graduates over the years, either.
They signed McDonald because he's good at football. Starlin Castro: good at baseball, and no one on this board not employed by a suburban bank is clamoring for him to be shipped out.
To be fair, I only want him shipped out for Zimmerman, Hamels or Price level return.
Unless those guys have domestic violence problems.
Quote from: Brownie on March 25, 2015, 11:45:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: Brownie on March 25, 2015, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 25, 2015, 04:26:56 PM
Fuck this team.
This team? How about the whole NFL? The Bears don't have a history of employing a bunch of Charm School Graduates over the years, either.
They signed McDonald because he's good at football. Starlin Castro: good at baseball, and no one on this board not employed by a suburban bank is clamoring for him to be shipped out.
Did I miss the part where Starlin beat his pregnant girlfriend? I love that past employment of scumbags justifies future employment. God forbid you raise the standard. McDonald's a mediocre 31 year old 5 tech on a team that's not winning shit next year. There was no need to make this signing other than to make themselves look bad. Fuck em.
Fuckem, indeed. But this is the same team that signed Bryan Cox, among others.
The league is fucked.
Just curious (and I will admit to not paying very close attention lately) who was the last NFL owner to give a public interview disparaging a domestic violence victim and claim said victims gain the benefit of "reverse sexism"? This is supremely fucked up and I won't knowingly put another dime in this asshole's pocket.
Nice work, Bears. Great job all around. Who could have guessed that discounting a victim's story and listening to a serial abuser's parents instead would turn out to be not such a great idea.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 25, 2015, 12:06:14 PM
Nice work, Bears. Great job all around. Who could have guessed that discounting a victim's story and listening to a serial abuser's parents instead would turn out to be not such a great idea.
Apparently, there are charges of child endangerment, too, because he "physically assaulted the victim while she was holding a baby."
That takes a special kind of scumbag.
Quote from: Tonker on May 25, 2015, 03:03:54 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 25, 2015, 12:06:14 PM
Nice work, Bears. Great job all around. Who could have guessed that discounting a victim's story and listening to a serial abuser's parents instead would turn out to be not such a great idea.
Apparently, there are charges of child endangerment, too, because he "physically assaulted the victim while she was holding a baby."
That takes a special kind of scumbag.
But...but...his own parents vouched for him!
I never really thought I could actually go from obsessing over football to utterly despising the sport but good work, Bears. You fucking idiots were never worth it.
I was lurking around the Bears subreddit (which you shouldn't do... it's the worst), and apparently this isn't a big deal because the contract didn't have any guaranteed money. Uh... I don't really think the money is the issue.
I'm done.
Wait, we were angry they signed the domestic violence/rape guy and then when he does something again, we're mad at them even though they cut him?
The dude's a shitty person and they shouldn't have signed him, but I feel like anyone who's done with this team was just looking for a reason to declare themselves "over it" because they were getting to the point of being done with the NFL anyway
Quote from: Yeti on May 26, 2015, 08:34:19 AM
Wait, we were angry they signed the domestic violence/rape guy and then when he does something again, we're mad at them even though they cut him?
The dude's a shitty person and they shouldn't have signed him, but I feel like anyone who's done with this team was just looking for a reason to declare themselves "over it" because they were getting to the point of being done with the NFL anyway
I've been one foot out the door for a while but this helps get me all the way out. The league is just disgusting at this point. I can't really justify supporting it.
Quote from: Slaky on May 26, 2015, 08:39:20 AM
Quote from: Yeti on May 26, 2015, 08:34:19 AM
Wait, we were angry they signed the domestic violence/rape guy and then when he does something again, we're mad at them even though they cut him?
The dude's a shitty person and they shouldn't have signed him, but I feel like anyone who's done with this team was just looking for a reason to declare themselves "over it" because they were getting to the point of being done with the NFL anyway
I've been one foot out the door for a while but this helps get me all the way out. The league is just disgusting at this point. I can't really justify supporting it.
Being any kind of a committed football fan is exhausting because you have to wade through 9000 lbs of shit (ELITE QUARTARBAKZ? FACTORBACKS. DEFLATEGATE, Peter King, etc) every week just to get to gameday, and then if you're a Bears fan the reward on Sunday is usually a massive shit sandwich anyway. It's sure as shit not worth dealing with if you're morally conflicted about it, so fuck 'em all.
Quote from: Yeti on May 26, 2015, 08:34:19 AM
Wait, we were angry they signed the domestic violence/rape guy and then when he does something again, we're mad at them even though they cut him?
The dude's a shitty person and they shouldn't have signed him, but I feel like anyone who's done with this team was just looking for a reason to declare themselves "over it" because they were getting to the point of being done with the NFL anyway
I think we're still mad about signing him in the first place. Now we're in the "I told you so" phase.
Quote from: Tony on May 26, 2015, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 26, 2015, 08:34:19 AM
Wait, we were angry they signed the domestic violence/rape guy and then when he does something again, we're mad at them even though they cut him?
The dude's a shitty person and they shouldn't have signed him, but I feel like anyone who's done with this team was just looking for a reason to declare themselves "over it" because they were getting to the point of being done with the NFL anyway
I think we're still mad about signing him in the first place. Now we're in the "I told you so" phase.
Exactly so. And hopefully I'll soon move on to the "posting the two remaining games I haven't sold from my season tickets on StubHub" phase.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 26, 2015, 12:28:46 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 26, 2015, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 26, 2015, 08:34:19 AM
Wait, we were angry they signed the domestic violence/rape guy and then when he does something again, we're mad at them even though they cut him?
The dude's a shitty person and they shouldn't have signed him, but I feel like anyone who's done with this team was just looking for a reason to declare themselves "over it" because they were getting to the point of being done with the NFL anyway
I think we're still mad about signing him in the first place. Now we're in the "I told you so" phase.
Exactly so. And hopefully I'll soon move on to the "posting the two remaining games I haven't sold from my season tickets on StubHub" phase.
oh yea?
Quote from: Yeti on May 26, 2015, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 26, 2015, 12:28:46 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 26, 2015, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 26, 2015, 08:34:19 AM
Wait, we were angry they signed the domestic violence/rape guy and then when he does something again, we're mad at them even though they cut him?
The dude's a shitty person and they shouldn't have signed him, but I feel like anyone who's done with this team was just looking for a reason to declare themselves "over it" because they were getting to the point of being done with the NFL anyway
I think we're still mad about signing him in the first place. Now we're in the "I told you so" phase.
Exactly so. And hopefully I'll soon move on to the "posting the two remaining games I haven't sold from my season tickets on StubHub" phase.
oh yea?
Yeah. I'm going to look to make some money off these though.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 26, 2015, 01:24:55 PM
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Quote from: Tony on May 26, 2015, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 26, 2015, 08:34:19 AM
Wait, we were angry they signed the domestic violence/rape guy and then when he does something again, we're mad at them even though they cut him?
The dude's a shitty person and they shouldn't have signed him, but I feel like anyone who's done with this team was just looking for a reason to declare themselves "over it" because they were getting to the point of being done with the NFL anyway
I think we're still mad about signing him in the first place. Now we're in the "I told you so" phase.
Exactly so. And hopefully I'll soon move on to the "posting the two remaining games I haven't sold from my season tickets on StubHub" phase.
oh yea?
Yeah. I'm going to look to make some money off these though.
Thought you were hanging them up.
Quote from: PANK! on May 26, 2015, 02:28:56 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 26, 2015, 01:24:55 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 26, 2015, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 26, 2015, 12:28:46 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 26, 2015, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 26, 2015, 08:34:19 AM
Wait, we were angry they signed the domestic violence/rape guy and then when he does something again, we're mad at them even though they cut him?
The dude's a shitty person and they shouldn't have signed him, but I feel like anyone who's done with this team was just looking for a reason to declare themselves "over it" because they were getting to the point of being done with the NFL anyway
I think we're still mad about signing him in the first place. Now we're in the "I told you so" phase.
Exactly so. And hopefully I'll soon move on to the "posting the two remaining games I haven't sold from my season tickets on StubHub" phase.
oh yea?
Yeah. I'm going to look to make some money off these though.
Thought you were hanging them up.
I just couldn't do it. Regardless of how I feel about the Bears, this is a family thing, and the tickets are easy to move. I sold six games and I'm hanging onto the Packers and Lions games right now.
I don't feel like finding a different NFL thread: http://deadspin.com/buffalo-bills-offensive-line-coach-aaron-kromer-arreste-1717335675
QuoteVictims told deputies Kromer grabbed [the bous's] fishing pole and threw the pole into the water and then pushed one of the boys to the ground and punched him in the face. It was stated Kromer then told the boys to return the chairs to where they found them.
The victim stated Kromer also told him if he reported him to the police he would kill his family.
Do any of this guy's draft picks play?
Looks like the Bears copied the Cubs, but hired Hendry, not Theo.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
Do any of this guy's draft picks play?
Looks like the Bears copied the Cubs, but hired Hendry, not Theo.
I'm pretty sure that the Ryan Pace Era is going to suck, but please stop with the baseball/football comparisons. It is pretty much impossible to do what Theo did for the Cubs in the NFL. Just stop it.
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
Do any of this guy's draft picks play?
Looks like the Bears copied the Cubs, but hired Hendry, not Theo.
I'm pretty sure that the Ryan Pace Era is going to suck, but please stop with the baseball/football comparisons. It is pretty much impossible to do what Theo did for the Cubs in the NFL. Just stop it.
This.
Also, Hendry's Cubs were never the worst in baseball.
Quote from: Brownie on August 04, 2015, 09:52:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
Do any of this guy's draft picks play?
Looks like the Bears copied the Cubs, but hired Hendry, not Theo.
I'm pretty sure that the Ryan Pace Era is going to suck, but please stop with the baseball/football comparisons. It is pretty much impossible to do what Theo did for the Cubs in the NFL. Just stop it.
This.
Also, Hendry's Cubs were never the worst in baseball.
Chuck would have you believe he was the worst GM in Cubs history when he (and this says more about the Cubs but whatever) one of the better ones.
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 09:56:04 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 04, 2015, 09:52:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
Do any of this guy's draft picks play?
Looks like the Bears copied the Cubs, but hired Hendry, not Theo.
I'm pretty sure that the Ryan Pace Era is going to suck, but please stop with the baseball/football comparisons. It is pretty much impossible to do what Theo did for the Cubs in the NFL. Just stop it.
This.
Also, Hendry's Cubs were never the worst in baseball.
Chuck would have you believe he was the worst GM in Cubs history when he (and this says more about the Cubs but whatever) one of the better ones.
That, and a guy trying a true Theo style rebuild would be laughed out of town. Nobody makes big trades in the NFL, nobody wants to give up one of their measly seven draft picks, nobody gains more draft picks or more money to spend on player development by tanking. Not to mention there's a salary cap floor that would necessitate overpaying shitty players anyway, and that there's no international free agent pool or whatever to exploit.
Outside of the once-a-generation chance to tank for a Luck or Manning, top ten picks fail as much if not more than anybody. The Raiders did the closest thing to a Theo rebuild: they dumped everybody of value and tried to get younger everywhere, eating massive dead money on their cap to do so. They sucked even harder than before, and then no free agent worth a shit would take their money because they were obviously going to suck for a decade.
There is no Football Theo. It's a dumb idea. Stop it. All of the perennially good organizations got there either by nabbing a generational talent at QB (New England/GB/Indy, and two of the three were drafted way beyond the tanking portion of the draft) or through consistent, quality drafting, largely in the back half of the first round (Baltimore, Pittsburgh).
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
Do any of this guy's draft picks play?
Looks like the Bears copied the Cubs, but hired Hendry, not Theo.
I'm pretty sure that the Ryan Pace Era is going to suck, but please stop with the baseball/football comparisons. It is pretty much impossible to do what Theo did for the Cubs in the NFL. Just stop it.
Yeah. Clearing out high priced veterans and piling up high draft picks from the resulting bad records while focusing on scouting and development never worked in the NFL.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 10:24:58 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
Do any of this guy's draft picks play?
Looks like the Bears copied the Cubs, but hired Hendry, not Theo.
I'm pretty sure that the Ryan Pace Era is going to suck, but please stop with the baseball/football comparisons. It is pretty much impossible to do what Theo did for the Cubs in the NFL. Just stop it.
Yeah. Clearing out high priced veterans and piling up high draft picks from the resulting bad records while focusing on scouting and development never worked in the NFL.
Are you referring to Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys?
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2015, 10:26:19 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 10:24:58 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
Do any of this guy's draft picks play?
Looks like the Bears copied the Cubs, but hired Hendry, not Theo.
I'm pretty sure that the Ryan Pace Era is going to suck, but please stop with the baseball/football comparisons. It is pretty much impossible to do what Theo did for the Cubs in the NFL. Just stop it.
Yeah. Clearing out high priced veterans and piling up high draft picks from the resulting bad records while focusing on scouting and development never worked in the NFL.
Are you referring to Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys?
That's relevant in today's NFL. 25 years ago. Good stuff.
The Taylor Teagarden era ended yesterday
Quote from: CBStew on August 04, 2015, 10:35:25 AM
The Taylor Teagarden era ended yesterday
nice choice jim
QuoteYeah. Clearing out high priced veterans and piling up high draft picks from the resulting bad records while focusing on scouting and development never worked in the NFL.
You're missing the point. Every team in the NFL clears out high priced veterans. They're called cap casualties and you can find them every summer. Also, every team is focused on scouting and development! In fact, they all have the exact same amount of money that they are allowed to spend on said draft pick.
If you're able to look beyond what Theo has done on the surface to what is the entire point of Moneyball (I.E. finding and exploiting market inefficiencies) then in the NFL that's not "shedding salary and focusing on the draft." Everbody's working with the same tools in those departments. They all have a cap floor they have to hit. The only way to win in the NFL is just to hit on said draft picks. What's funny is you keep acting like shedding payroll is a good thing. You realize that if they cut Jay Cutler right now he still counts the same against the cap, right? They gain absolutely zero competitive or financial advantage from doing so. You can't just "shed payroll".
Also, if you really are using Jimmy fucking Johnson as an example, for fuck's sake, he didn't even have to deal with the salary cap until after he'd won his second fucking superbowl with that group. That seems like it might have some bearing on things.
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 10:41:09 AM
QuoteYeah. Clearing out high priced veterans and piling up high draft picks from the resulting bad records while focusing on scouting and development never worked in the NFL.
You're missing the point. Every team in the NFL clears out high priced veterans. They're called cap casualties and you can find them every summer. Also, every team is focused on scouting and development! In fact, they all have the exact same amount of money that they are allowed to spend on said draft pick.
If you're able to look beyond what Theo has done on the surface to what is the entire point of Moneyball (I.E. finding and exploiting market inefficiencies) then in the NFL that's not "shedding salary and focusing on the draft." Everbody's working with the same tools in those departments. They all have a cap floor they have to hit. The only way to win in the NFL is just to hit on said draft picks. What's funny is you keep acting like shedding payroll is a good thing. You realize that if they cut Jay Cutler right now he still counts the same against the cap, right? They gain absolutely zero competitive or financial advantage from doing so. You can't just "shed payroll".
Also, if you really are using Jimmy fucking Johnson as an example, for fuck's sake, he didn't even have to deal with the salary cap until after he'd won his second fucking superbowl with that group. That seems like it might have some bearing on things.
Forget it, SKO. It's Chucktown.
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 09:56:04 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 04, 2015, 09:52:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
Do any of this guy's draft picks play?
Looks like the Bears copied the Cubs, but hired Hendry, not Theo.
I'm pretty sure that the Ryan Pace Era is going to suck, but please stop with the baseball/football comparisons. It is pretty much impossible to do what Theo did for the Cubs in the NFL. Just stop it.
This.
Also, Hendry's Cubs were never the worst in baseball.
Chuck would have you believe he was the worst GM in Cubs history when he (and this says more about the Cubs but whatever) one of the better ones.
That, and a guy trying a true Theo style rebuild would be laughed out of town. Nobody makes big trades in the NFL, nobody wants to give up one of their measly seven draft picks, nobody gains more draft picks or more money to spend on player development by tanking. Not to mention there's a salary cap floor that would necessitate overpaying shitty players anyway, and that there's no international free agent pool or whatever to exploit.
Outside of the once-a-generation chance to tank for a Luck or Manning, top ten picks fail as much if not more than anybody. The Raiders did the closest thing to a Theo rebuild: they dumped everybody of value and tried to get younger everywhere, eating massive dead money on their cap to do so. They sucked even harder than before, and then no free agent worth a shit would take their money because they were obviously going to suck for a decade.
There is no Football Theo. It's a dumb idea. Stop it. All of the perennially good organizations got there either by nabbing a generational talent at QB (New England/GB/Indy, and two of the three were drafted way beyond the tanking portion of the draft) or through consistent, quality drafting, largely in the back half of the first round (Baltimore, Pittsburgh).
I have no idea why, but SKO's post made me remember the 1968 Alan Alda film of George Plimpton's book "Paper Lion". In my opinion it is the best movie ever made about professional football. It is probably not available on Netflix. Keep your eyes open and if it shows up on TNT, TBS, or TCM, check it out. It is really worth the time.
Quote from: CBStew on August 04, 2015, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 09:56:04 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 04, 2015, 09:52:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
Do any of this guy's draft picks play?
Looks like the Bears copied the Cubs, but hired Hendry, not Theo.
I'm pretty sure that the Ryan Pace Era is going to suck, but please stop with the baseball/football comparisons. It is pretty much impossible to do what Theo did for the Cubs in the NFL. Just stop it.
This.
Also, Hendry's Cubs were never the worst in baseball.
Chuck would have you believe he was the worst GM in Cubs history when he (and this says more about the Cubs but whatever) one of the better ones.
That, and a guy trying a true Theo style rebuild would be laughed out of town. Nobody makes big trades in the NFL, nobody wants to give up one of their measly seven draft picks, nobody gains more draft picks or more money to spend on player development by tanking. Not to mention there's a salary cap floor that would necessitate overpaying shitty players anyway, and that there's no international free agent pool or whatever to exploit.
Outside of the once-a-generation chance to tank for a Luck or Manning, top ten picks fail as much if not more than anybody. The Raiders did the closest thing to a Theo rebuild: they dumped everybody of value and tried to get younger everywhere, eating massive dead money on their cap to do so. They sucked even harder than before, and then no free agent worth a shit would take their money because they were obviously going to suck for a decade.
There is no Football Theo. It's a dumb idea. Stop it. All of the perennially good organizations got there either by nabbing a generational talent at QB (New England/GB/Indy, and two of the three were drafted way beyond the tanking portion of the draft) or through consistent, quality drafting, largely in the back half of the first round (Baltimore, Pittsburgh).
I have no idea why, but SKO's post made me remember the 1968 Alan Alda film of George Plimpton's book "Paper Lion". In my opinion it is the best movie ever made about professional football. It is probably not available on Netflix. Keep your eyes open and if it shows up on TNT, TBS, or TCM, check it out. It is really worth the time.
Side note: something about George Plimpton's demeanor makes me assume he participated in no less than 5 orgies at the Playboy mansion in his lifetime, and probably many more than that.
Quote from: Bort on August 04, 2015, 06:21:00 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 04, 2015, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 09:56:04 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 04, 2015, 09:52:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
Do any of this guy's draft picks play?
Looks like the Bears copied the Cubs, but hired Hendry, not Theo.
I'm pretty sure that the Ryan Pace Era is going to suck, but please stop with the baseball/football comparisons. It is pretty much impossible to do what Theo did for the Cubs in the NFL. Just stop it.
This.
Also, Hendry's Cubs were never the worst in baseball.
Chuck would have you believe he was the worst GM in Cubs history when he (and this says more about the Cubs but whatever) one of the better ones.
That, and a guy trying a true Theo style rebuild would be laughed out of town. Nobody makes big trades in the NFL, nobody wants to give up one of their measly seven draft picks, nobody gains more draft picks or more money to spend on player development by tanking. Not to mention there's a salary cap floor that would necessitate overpaying shitty players anyway, and that there's no international free agent pool or whatever to exploit.
Outside of the once-a-generation chance to tank for a Luck or Manning, top ten picks fail as much if not more than anybody. The Raiders did the closest thing to a Theo rebuild: they dumped everybody of value and tried to get younger everywhere, eating massive dead money on their cap to do so. They sucked even harder than before, and then no free agent worth a shit would take their money because they were obviously going to suck for a decade.
There is no Football Theo. It's a dumb idea. Stop it. All of the perennially good organizations got there either by nabbing a generational talent at QB (New England/GB/Indy, and two of the three were drafted way beyond the tanking portion of the draft) or through consistent, quality drafting, largely in the back half of the first round (Baltimore, Pittsburgh).
I have no idea why, but SKO's post made me remember the 1968 Alan Alda film of George Plimpton's book "Paper Lion". In my opinion it is the best movie ever made about professional football. It is probably not available on Netflix. Keep your eyes open and if it shows up on TNT, TBS, or TCM, check it out. It is really worth the time.
Side note: something about George Plimpton's demeanor makes me assume he participated in no less than 5 orgies at the Playboy mansion in his lifetime, and probably many more than that.
I got to spend a couple of hours with him one evening in 1989.
He couldn't have been nicer and was very cool with his cultural status.
I can't really add anything to what has already been said / written about him other than he was as smart and laid back as you would imagine.
Quote from: flannj on August 04, 2015, 07:36:57 PM
Quote from: Bort on August 04, 2015, 06:21:00 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 04, 2015, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 09:56:04 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 04, 2015, 09:52:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
Do any of this guy's draft picks play?
Looks like the Bears copied the Cubs, but hired Hendry, not Theo.
I'm pretty sure that the Ryan Pace Era is going to suck, but please stop with the baseball/football comparisons. It is pretty much impossible to do what Theo did for the Cubs in the NFL. Just stop it.
This.
Also, Hendry's Cubs were never the worst in baseball.
Chuck would have you believe he was the worst GM in Cubs history when he (and this says more about the Cubs but whatever) one of the better ones.
That, and a guy trying a true Theo style rebuild would be laughed out of town. Nobody makes big trades in the NFL, nobody wants to give up one of their measly seven draft picks, nobody gains more draft picks or more money to spend on player development by tanking. Not to mention there's a salary cap floor that would necessitate overpaying shitty players anyway, and that there's no international free agent pool or whatever to exploit.
Outside of the once-a-generation chance to tank for a Luck or Manning, top ten picks fail as much if not more than anybody. The Raiders did the closest thing to a Theo rebuild: they dumped everybody of value and tried to get younger everywhere, eating massive dead money on their cap to do so. They sucked even harder than before, and then no free agent worth a shit would take their money because they were obviously going to suck for a decade.
There is no Football Theo. It's a dumb idea. Stop it. All of the perennially good organizations got there either by nabbing a generational talent at QB (New England/GB/Indy, and two of the three were drafted way beyond the tanking portion of the draft) or through consistent, quality drafting, largely in the back half of the first round (Baltimore, Pittsburgh).
I have no idea why, but SKO's post made me remember the 1968 Alan Alda film of George Plimpton's book "Paper Lion". In my opinion it is the best movie ever made about professional football. It is probably not available on Netflix. Keep your eyes open and if it shows up on TNT, TBS, or TCM, check it out. It is really worth the time.
Side note: something about George Plimpton's demeanor makes me assume he participated in no less than 5 orgies at the Playboy mansion in his lifetime, and probably many more than that.
I got to spend a couple of hours with him one evening in 1989.
He couldn't have been nicer and was very cool with his cultural status.
I can't really add anything to what has already been said / written about him other than he was as smart and laid back as you would imagine.
They let you into the Chicago Mansion?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: flannj on August 04, 2015, 07:36:57 PM
Quote from: Bort on August 04, 2015, 06:21:00 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 04, 2015, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 09:56:04 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 04, 2015, 09:52:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
Do any of this guy's draft picks play?
Looks like the Bears copied the Cubs, but hired Hendry, not Theo.
I'm pretty sure that the Ryan Pace Era is going to suck, but please stop with the baseball/football comparisons. It is pretty much impossible to do what Theo did for the Cubs in the NFL. Just stop it.
This.
Also, Hendry's Cubs were never the worst in baseball.
Chuck would have you believe he was the worst GM in Cubs history when he (and this says more about the Cubs but whatever) one of the better ones.
That, and a guy trying a true Theo style rebuild would be laughed out of town. Nobody makes big trades in the NFL, nobody wants to give up one of their measly seven draft picks, nobody gains more draft picks or more money to spend on player development by tanking. Not to mention there's a salary cap floor that would necessitate overpaying shitty players anyway, and that there's no international free agent pool or whatever to exploit.
Outside of the once-a-generation chance to tank for a Luck or Manning, top ten picks fail as much if not more than anybody. The Raiders did the closest thing to a Theo rebuild: they dumped everybody of value and tried to get younger everywhere, eating massive dead money on their cap to do so. They sucked even harder than before, and then no free agent worth a shit would take their money because they were obviously going to suck for a decade.
There is no Football Theo. It's a dumb idea. Stop it. All of the perennially good organizations got there either by nabbing a generational talent at QB (New England/GB/Indy, and two of the three were drafted way beyond the tanking portion of the draft) or through consistent, quality drafting, largely in the back half of the first round (Baltimore, Pittsburgh).
I have no idea why, but SKO's post made me remember the 1968 Alan Alda film of George Plimpton's book "Paper Lion". In my opinion it is the best movie ever made about professional football. It is probably not available on Netflix. Keep your eyes open and if it shows up on TNT, TBS, or TCM, check it out. It is really worth the time.
Side note: something about George Plimpton's demeanor makes me assume he participated in no less than 5 orgies at the Playboy mansion in his lifetime, and probably many more than that.
I got to spend a couple of hours with him one evening in 1989.
He couldn't have been nicer and was very cool with his cultural status.
I can't really add anything to what has already been said / written about him other than he was as smart and laid back as you would imagine.
They let you into the Chicago Mansion?
Hardly.
At that point in 1989 I was just about to become a father for the first time.
Freaked out and barely functional I'm sure I came across as an absolute stammering retard.
Not exactly Playboy Mansion material.
Good name for a band though... "Absolute Stammering Retards".
Quote from: Bort on August 04, 2015, 06:21:00 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 04, 2015, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2015, 09:56:04 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 04, 2015, 09:52:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
Do any of this guy's draft picks play?
Looks like the Bears copied the Cubs, but hired Hendry, not Theo.
I'm pretty sure that the Ryan Pace Era is going to suck, but please stop with the baseball/football comparisons. It is pretty much impossible to do what Theo did for the Cubs in the NFL. Just stop it.
This.
Also, Hendry's Cubs were never the worst in baseball.
Chuck would have you believe he was the worst GM in Cubs history when he (and this says more about the Cubs but whatever) one of the better ones.
That, and a guy trying a true Theo style rebuild would be laughed out of town. Nobody makes big trades in the NFL, nobody wants to give up one of their measly seven draft picks, nobody gains more draft picks or more money to spend on player development by tanking. Not to mention there's a salary cap floor that would necessitate overpaying shitty players anyway, and that there's no international free agent pool or whatever to exploit.
Outside of the once-a-generation chance to tank for a Luck or Manning, top ten picks fail as much if not more than anybody. The Raiders did the closest thing to a Theo rebuild: they dumped everybody of value and tried to get younger everywhere, eating massive dead money on their cap to do so. They sucked even harder than before, and then no free agent worth a shit would take their money because they were obviously going to suck for a decade.
There is no Football Theo. It's a dumb idea. Stop it. All of the perennially good organizations got there either by nabbing a generational talent at QB (New England/GB/Indy, and two of the three were drafted way beyond the tanking portion of the draft) or through consistent, quality drafting, largely in the back half of the first round (Baltimore, Pittsburgh).
I have no idea why, but SKO's post made me remember the 1968 Alan Alda film of George Plimpton's book "Paper Lion". In my opinion it is the best movie ever made about professional football. It is probably not available on Netflix. Keep your eyes open and if it shows up on TNT, TBS, or TCM, check it out. It is really worth the time.
Side note: something about George Plimpton's demeanor makes me assume he participated in no less than 5 orgies at the Playboy mansion in his lifetime, and probably many more than that.
Well, he did play the evil dean in "Boner Academy"
DPD
Kevin White to start the season on the PUP list and possibly miss the entire season after having surgery on a stress fracture in his leg.
IN BEFORE LOCK!
Get a load of these guys.
I did at least enjoy last week's "well hey at least they're more competitive than last year's Bears!" narrative dying immediately. Nope, they still just suck.
Quote from: SKO on September 21, 2015, 02:52:18 PM
I did at least enjoy last week's "well hey at least they're more competitive than last year's Bears!" narrative dying immediately. Nope, they still just suck.
I'm actively hoping for the first overall pick, or at least top 3
Quote from: Eli on September 21, 2015, 02:44:24 PM
Get a load of these guys.
I wonder if John Fox expected this or what. This is not going to be fun for him or anyone, really. Packer fans.
Quote from: Slaky on September 21, 2015, 03:05:23 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 21, 2015, 02:44:24 PM
Get a load of these guys.
I wonder if John Fox expected this or what. This is not going to be fun for him or anyone, really. Packer fans.
I think there was the perception that because Trestman was such a pushover and nearly every veteran on the team last year has made some statement that amounts to "yeah we just stopped trying last year" that the team was maybe better than they were last year and just needed a guy like Fox to discipline them back into shape.
The reality is that this team has drafted basically nobody of consequence outside of maybe Alshon Jeffrey (who gets hurt all of the fucking time, anyway) and Forte (who is old as shit in RB years) in a decade. The bottom was always going to fall out and when it did it was going to be far more than a one or even two year project to fix. Hell, arguably the only thing that can save them is falling ass backwards into an actual star quarterback. I'm not sure there even is one at the top of next year's draft but they might as well tank and take whatever is there.
Quote from: SKO on September 21, 2015, 03:11:07 PM
Hell, arguably the only thing that can save them is falling ass backwards into an actual star quarterback. I'm not sure there even is one at the top of next year's draft but they might as well tank and take whatever is there.
I feel like there's a good quarterback drafted about once every six years, so probably not.
Quote from: SKO on September 21, 2015, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 21, 2015, 03:05:23 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 21, 2015, 02:44:24 PM
Get a load of these guys.
I wonder if John Fox expected this or what. This is not going to be fun for him or anyone, really. Packer fans.
I think there was the perception that because Trestman was such a pushover and nearly every veteran on the team last year has made some statement that amounts to "yeah we just stopped trying last year" that the team was maybe better than they were last year and just needed a guy like Fox to discipline them back into shape.
The reality is that this team has drafted basically nobody of consequence outside of maybe Alshon Jeffrey (who gets hurt all of the fucking time, anyway) and Forte (who is old as shit in RB years) in a decade. The bottom was always going to fall out and when it did it was going to be far more than a one or even two year project to fix. Hell, arguably the only thing that can save them is falling ass backwards into an actual star quarterback. I'm not sure there even is one at the top of next year's draft but they might as well tank and take whatever is there.
What's alarming is that the front office seem to be on board with the perception as opposed to the reality. Jeffrey and Forte should have been actively shopped in the offseason, and Forte should be shopped now. Every action from here on out (and it should have been when the Ryan Pace Era ... Began!!) should be focused on rebuilding the franchise. Instead, they go out and get Eddie Royal and Antrel Rolle and Ray McDonald.
Quote from: Brownie on September 21, 2015, 03:26:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 21, 2015, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 21, 2015, 03:05:23 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 21, 2015, 02:44:24 PM
Get a load of these guys.
I wonder if John Fox expected this or what. This is not going to be fun for him or anyone, really. Packer fans.
I think there was the perception that because Trestman was such a pushover and nearly every veteran on the team last year has made some statement that amounts to "yeah we just stopped trying last year" that the team was maybe better than they were last year and just needed a guy like Fox to discipline them back into shape.
The reality is that this team has drafted basically nobody of consequence outside of maybe Alshon Jeffrey (who gets hurt all of the fucking time, anyway) and Forte (who is old as shit in RB years) in a decade. The bottom was always going to fall out and when it did it was going to be far more than a one or even two year project to fix. Hell, arguably the only thing that can save them is falling ass backwards into an actual star quarterback. I'm not sure there even is one at the top of next year's draft but they might as well tank and take whatever is there.
What's alarming is that the front office seem to be on board with the perception as opposed to the reality. Jeffrey and Forte should have been actively shopped in the offseason, and Forte should be shopped now. Every action from here on out (and it should have been when the Ryan Pace Era ... Began!!) should be focused on rebuilding the franchise. Instead, they go out and get Eddie Royal and Antrel Rolle and Ray McDonald.
Yeah, I don't think Pace was hired because he was a bright young Theo type, however badly Chuck wants to hammer that square peg into that round hole. He was hired because the Saints went from a laughingstock to an elite franchise quickly while he was there (which ignores the fact that they only did that because Drew Brees was a god and hit free agency by a convoluted set of circumstances that'll never happen again, and now that he's less Godlike they suck again) and I'm pretty sure he sold Philips and the McCaskeys on being able to turn this around quickly. I don't think John Fox, Adam Gase (who had a bright future with a reputation as young guru and nearly got the niners head gig), and Fangio all sign up with this team if they thought it was rebuilding.
I found nothing in the rhetoric that the McCaskeys offered when firing Emery to be reassuring as to the direction of the franchise. It's all still a search for one last band-aid that'll help them sneak into the playoffs at 10-6 and maybe get lucky once they're there.
I'm usually not a BLAME DA CHEAP MCCASKEYS conspiracy theorist, but this one is on them. They don't know what they're dealing with or how to fix it.
Quote from: SKO on September 21, 2015, 03:32:33 PM
Quote from: Brownie on September 21, 2015, 03:26:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 21, 2015, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 21, 2015, 03:05:23 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 21, 2015, 02:44:24 PM
Get a load of these guys.
I wonder if John Fox expected this or what. This is not going to be fun for him or anyone, really. Packer fans.
I think there was the perception that because Trestman was such a pushover and nearly every veteran on the team last year has made some statement that amounts to "yeah we just stopped trying last year" that the team was maybe better than they were last year and just needed a guy like Fox to discipline them back into shape.
The reality is that this team has drafted basically nobody of consequence outside of maybe Alshon Jeffrey (who gets hurt all of the fucking time, anyway) and Forte (who is old as shit in RB years) in a decade. The bottom was always going to fall out and when it did it was going to be far more than a one or even two year project to fix. Hell, arguably the only thing that can save them is falling ass backwards into an actual star quarterback. I'm not sure there even is one at the top of next year's draft but they might as well tank and take whatever is there.
What's alarming is that the front office seem to be on board with the perception as opposed to the reality. Jeffrey and Forte should have been actively shopped in the offseason, and Forte should be shopped now. Every action from here on out (and it should have been when the Ryan Pace Era ... Began!!) should be focused on rebuilding the franchise. Instead, they go out and get Eddie Royal and Antrel Rolle and Ray McDonald.
Yeah, I don't think Pace was hired because he was a bright young Theo type, however badly Chuck wants to hammer that square peg into that round hole. He was hired because the Saints went from a laughingstock to an elite franchise quickly while he was there (which ignores the fact that they only did that because Drew Brees was a god and hit free agency by a convoluted set of circumstances that'll never happen again, and now that he's less Godlike they suck again) and I'm pretty sure he sold Philips and the McCaskeys on being able to turn this around quickly. I don't think John Fox, Adam Gase (who had a bright future with a reputation as young guru and nearly got the niners head gig), and Fangio all sign up with this team if they thought it was rebuilding.
I found nothing in the rhetoric that the McCaskeys offered when firing Emery to be reassuring as to the direction of the franchise. It's all still a search for one last band-aid that'll help them sneak into the playoffs at 10-6 and maybe get lucky once they're there.
I'm usually not a BLAME DA CHEAP MCCASKEYS conspiracy theorist, but this one is on them. They don't know what they're dealing with or how to fix it.
It's not that the McCaskeys are cheap so much as that they're just a family of completely inept morons.
Quote from: Eli on September 21, 2015, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 21, 2015, 03:11:07 PM
Hell, arguably the only thing that can save them is falling ass backwards into an actual star quarterback. I'm not sure there even is one at the top of next year's draft but they might as well tank and take whatever is there.
I feel like there's a good quarterback drafted about once every six years, so probably not.
There is one out here. But the Bears never look any further west than Iowa when it comes to the draft.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25309222/cal-qb-jared-goff-dazzles-vs-texas-makes-case-for-no-1-overall
Quote from: CBStew on September 21, 2015, 04:06:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 21, 2015, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 21, 2015, 03:11:07 PM
Hell, arguably the only thing that can save them is falling ass backwards into an actual star quarterback. I'm not sure there even is one at the top of next year's draft but they might as well tank and take whatever is there.
I feel like there's a good quarterback drafted about once every six years, so probably not.
There is one out here. But the Bears never look any further west than Iowa when it comes to the draft.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25309222/cal-qb-jared-goff-dazzles-vs-texas-makes-case-for-no-1-overall
They looked west for Caleb Hanie, who proceeded to stomp on our hopes and dreams and then piss on them like some sort of campfire.
Quote from: CBStew on September 21, 2015, 04:06:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 21, 2015, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 21, 2015, 03:11:07 PM
Hell, arguably the only thing that can save them is falling ass backwards into an actual star quarterback. I'm not sure there even is one at the top of next year's draft but they might as well tank and take whatever is there.
I feel like there's a good quarterback drafted about once every six years, so probably not.
There is one out here. But the Bears never look any further west than Iowa when it comes to the draft.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25309222/cal-qb-jared-goff-dazzles-vs-texas-makes-case-for-no-1-overall
The wounds from Cade McNown ran deep.
Quote from: SKO on September 21, 2015, 03:32:33 PM
Quote from: Brownie on September 21, 2015, 03:26:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 21, 2015, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 21, 2015, 03:05:23 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 21, 2015, 02:44:24 PM
Get a load of these guys.
I wonder if John Fox expected this or what. This is not going to be fun for him or anyone, really. Packer fans.
I think there was the perception that because Trestman was such a pushover and nearly every veteran on the team last year has made some statement that amounts to "yeah we just stopped trying last year" that the team was maybe better than they were last year and just needed a guy like Fox to discipline them back into shape.
The reality is that this team has drafted basically nobody of consequence outside of maybe Alshon Jeffrey (who gets hurt all of the fucking time, anyway) and Forte (who is old as shit in RB years) in a decade. The bottom was always going to fall out and when it did it was going to be far more than a one or even two year project to fix. Hell, arguably the only thing that can save them is falling ass backwards into an actual star quarterback. I'm not sure there even is one at the top of next year's draft but they might as well tank and take whatever is there.
What's alarming is that the front office seem to be on board with the perception as opposed to the reality. Jeffrey and Forte should have been actively shopped in the offseason, and Forte should be shopped now. Every action from here on out (and it should have been when the Ryan Pace Era ... Began!!) should be focused on rebuilding the franchise. Instead, they go out and get Eddie Royal and Antrel Rolle and Ray McDonald.
Yeah, I don't think Pace was hired because he was a bright young Theo type, however badly Chuck wants to hammer that square peg into that round hole. He was hired because the Saints went from a laughingstock to an elite franchise quickly while he was there (which ignores the fact that they only did that because Drew Brees was a god and hit free agency by a convoluted set of circumstances that'll never happen again, and now that he's less Godlike they suck again) and I'm pretty sure he sold Philips and the McCaskeys on being able to turn this around quickly. I don't think John Fox, Adam Gase (who had a bright future with a reputation as young guru and nearly got the niners head gig), and Fangio all sign up with this team if they thought it was rebuilding.
I found nothing in the rhetoric that the McCaskeys offered when firing Emery to be reassuring as to the direction of the franchise. It's all still a search for one last band-aid that'll help them sneak into the playoffs at 10-6 and maybe get lucky once they're there.
I'm usually not a BLAME DA CHEAP MCCASKEYS conspiracy theorist, but this one is on them. They don't know what they're dealing with or how to fix it.
I don't think I've said that Pace is going Full Theo (maybe I have), rather that I've hoped he would. The non-release of Cutler was very disappointing because it suggested he was going Full Kenny Williams.
Quote from: PANK! on September 21, 2015, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 21, 2015, 04:06:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 21, 2015, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 21, 2015, 03:11:07 PM
Hell, arguably the only thing that can save them is falling ass backwards into an actual star quarterback. I'm not sure there even is one at the top of next year's draft but they might as well tank and take whatever is there.
I feel like there's a good quarterback drafted about once every six years, so probably not.
There is one out here. But the Bears never look any further west than Iowa when it comes to the draft.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25309222/cal-qb-jared-goff-dazzles-vs-texas-makes-case-for-no-1-overall
They looked west for Caleb Hanie, who proceeded to stomp on our hopes and dreams and then piss on them like some sort of campfire.
Colorado State. (I guess that is west of Chicago) I will agree that there are currently 3 players from Oregon and one from Oregon State, and one from Idaho State. But California is the most populous state in the Union and there isn't even a player from USC or (shudder) Stanfoo.
Jared Allen for a 6th rounder.
Jon Bostic for a 6th rounder.
Shane Vereen for nothing.
More moves coming.
#FullTheo
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 29, 2015, 04:53:50 PM
Jared Allen for a 6th rounder.
Jon Bostic for a 6th rounder.
Shane Vereen for nothing.
More moves coming.
#FullTheo
The #FullTheo comes when the Cowboys are Herschel'd with Forte, and then the Jets relieve themselves of being booed on draft day to take Cutler and Jeffrey and get the band back together.
Quote from: Brownie on September 29, 2015, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 29, 2015, 04:53:50 PM
Jared Allen for a 6th rounder.
Jon Bostic for a 6th rounder.
Shane Vereen for nothing.
More moves coming.
#FullTheo
The #FullTheo comes when the Cowboys are Herschel'd with Forte, and then the Jets relieve themselves of being booed on draft day to take Cutler and Jeffrey and get the band back together.
That. Have to do more than dump bad players you weren't even using to be Theo. Hell, if cutting 4th round safeties made you Theo Epstein, Jerry Angelo would have won executive of the year annually.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 29, 2015, 04:53:50 PM
Jared Allen for a 6th rounder.
Jon Bostic for a 6th rounder.
Shane Vereen for nothing.
More moves coming.
#FullTheo
Not even Theo could waive other teams' players. I'm impressed.
I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...
If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2015, 05:42:49 PM
Quote from: Brownie on September 29, 2015, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 29, 2015, 04:53:50 PM
Jared Allen for a 6th rounder.
Jon Bostic for a 6th rounder.
Shane Vereen for nothing.
More moves coming.
#FullTheo
The #FullTheo comes when the Cowboys are Herschel'd with Forte, and then the Jets relieve themselves of being booed on draft day to take Cutler and Jeffrey and get the band back together.
That. Have to do more than dump bad players you weren't even using to be Theo. Hell, if cutting 4th round safeties made you Theo Epstein, Jerry Angelo would have won executive of the year annually.
Also there just aren't that many guys on the street you can plug in and have work out. Football is weird.
The only thing you can do is bottom out and really, really lean on your scouting dept and be ready to spend on top free agents when the timing is finally right. They'll also have to keep the front office stable - so whatever Pace is trying to do - he needs time to do it. Like, years. Not two.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 30, 2015, 08:18:45 AM
I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...
If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?
The Cal quarterback, Jared Goff, looks pretty damn good, but who knows. Have to at least try. Jay could come back and throw 30 touchdowns and even I would still be ready to move on. This franchise just needs new blood.
Quote from: Slaky on September 30, 2015, 08:21:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2015, 05:42:49 PM
Quote from: Brownie on September 29, 2015, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 29, 2015, 04:53:50 PM
Jared Allen for a 6th rounder.
Jon Bostic for a 6th rounder.
Shane Vereen for nothing.
More moves coming.
#FullTheo
The #FullTheo comes when the Cowboys are Herschel'd with Forte, and then the Jets relieve themselves of being booed on draft day to take Cutler and Jeffrey and get the band back together.
That. Have to do more than dump bad players you weren't even using to be Theo. Hell, if cutting 4th round safeties made you Theo Epstein, Jerry Angelo would have won executive of the year annually.
Also there just aren't that many guys on the street you can plug in and have work out. Football is weird.
The only thing you can do is bottom out and really, really lean on your scouting dept and be ready to spend on top free agents when the timing is finally right. They'll also have to keep the front office stable - so whatever Pace is trying to do - he needs time to do it. Like, years. Not two.
Pretty much that. I mean trying to go Full Theo as much as possible is great, and clearing out shitty veterans and failed Emery picks is not a bad thing, but he's got far more limited resources than Theo ever had to deal with.
There's no international free agent market in football, young players are almost never traded, there's a way smaller talent pool in the draft, and free agency is often even more fruitless in the NFL than it is in baseball.
Hopefully Pace can move Forte and Bennett and get maybe an extra couple of fourth round picks or better, but either way this is going to be a slow process with very little margin for error. I really doubt John Fox is around when the Bears field a good team again. Pace might be.
Quote from: SKO on September 30, 2015, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 30, 2015, 08:18:45 AM
I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...
If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?
The Cal quarterback, Jared Goff, looks pretty damn good, but who knows. Have to at least try. Jay could come back and throw 30 touchdowns and even I would still be ready to move on. This franchise just needs new blood.
Yeah, but what are the odds that Cal could ever produce a good NFL quarterback, especially one who has to play most of his games up north?
Quote from: Eli on September 30, 2015, 08:54:58 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 30, 2015, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 30, 2015, 08:18:45 AM
I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...
If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?
The Cal quarterback, Jared Goff, looks pretty damn good, but who knows. Have to at least try. Jay could come back and throw 30 touchdowns and even I would still be ready to move on. This franchise just needs new blood.
Yeah, but what are the odds that Cal could ever produce a good NFL quarterback, especially one who has to play most of his games up north?
Imagine the Bears picking this guy up and leaning on that narrative. Oh, how humiliating.
Quote from: Eli on September 30, 2015, 08:54:58 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 30, 2015, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 30, 2015, 08:18:45 AM
I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...
If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?
The Cal quarterback, Jared Goff, looks pretty damn good, but who knows. Have to at least try. Jay could come back and throw 30 touchdowns and even I would still be ready to move on. This franchise just needs new blood.
Yeah, but what are the odds that Cal could ever produce a good NFL quarterback, especially one who has to play most of his games up north?
NFL has been around 96 years. Figure there's a Cal QB graduating every two years. So that's ~48 QB's graduated from the team.
Pro-Football-Reference shows 14 QBs from Cal (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/schools/california/stats.htm) played in the NFL.
Only 6 accumulated 16+ career GS in the NFL and 3-4 of them look like they were somewhere between average and garbage.
Rk Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD
1 Aaron Rodgers College Stats QB 113 106 73-33-0 2353 3566 66.0 29349 236 6.6 57 1.6 93 8.2 8.8 12.5 259.7 106.8 693.2 263 1626 7.24 7.80 6.9 8 12
2 Craig Morton College Stats QB 207 144 81-62-1 2053 3786 54.2 27908 183 4.8 187 4.9 95 7.4 6.1 13.6 134.8 73.5 373 2800 6.04 4.89 9.0 12 22
3 Joe Kapp College Stats QB 51 48 24-21-3 449 918 48.9 5911 40 4.4 64 7.0 85 6.4 4.2 13.2 115.9 55.1 55 429 5.63 3.50 5.7 5 5
4 Vince Ferragamo College Stats QB 75 53 27-26-0 902 1615 55.9 11336 76 4.7 91 5.6 85 7.0 5.4 12.6 151.1 70.1 94 770 6.18 4.68 5.5 6 6
5 Steve Bartkowski College Stats QB 129 127 59-68-0 1932 3456 55.9 24124 156 4.5 144 4.2 86 7.0 6.0 12.5 187.0 75.4 356 2956 5.55 4.67 9.3 19 22
6 Kyle Boller College Stats QB 67 47 20-27-0 861 1519 56.7 8931 48 3.2 54 3.6 77 5.9 4.9 10.4 133.3 69.5 128.67 123 802 4.95 4.06 7.5 4 6So, like ... 5%?
Quote from: ChuckD on September 30, 2015, 09:15:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 30, 2015, 08:54:58 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 30, 2015, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 30, 2015, 08:18:45 AM
I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...
If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?
The Cal quarterback, Jared Goff, looks pretty damn good, but who knows. Have to at least try. Jay could come back and throw 30 touchdowns and even I would still be ready to move on. This franchise just needs new blood.
Yeah, but what are the odds that Cal could ever produce a good NFL quarterback, especially one who has to play most of his games up north?
NFL has been around 96 years. Figure there's a Cal QB graduating every two years. So that's ~48 QB's graduated from the team.
Pro-Football-Reference shows 14 QBs from Cal (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/schools/california/stats.htm) played in the NFL.
Only 6 accumulated 16+ career GS in the NFL and 3-4 of them look like they were somewhere between average and garbage.
Rk Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD
1 Aaron Rodgers College Stats QB 113 106 73-33-0 2353 3566 66.0 29349 236 6.6 57 1.6 93 8.2 8.8 12.5 259.7 106.8 693.2 263 1626 7.24 7.80 6.9 8 12
2 Craig Morton College Stats QB 207 144 81-62-1 2053 3786 54.2 27908 183 4.8 187 4.9 95 7.4 6.1 13.6 134.8 73.5 373 2800 6.04 4.89 9.0 12 22
3 Joe Kapp College Stats QB 51 48 24-21-3 449 918 48.9 5911 40 4.4 64 7.0 85 6.4 4.2 13.2 115.9 55.1 55 429 5.63 3.50 5.7 5 5
4 Vince Ferragamo College Stats QB 75 53 27-26-0 902 1615 55.9 11336 76 4.7 91 5.6 85 7.0 5.4 12.6 151.1 70.1 94 770 6.18 4.68 5.5 6 6
5 Steve Bartkowski College Stats QB 129 127 59-68-0 1932 3456 55.9 24124 156 4.5 144 4.2 86 7.0 6.0 12.5 187.0 75.4 356 2956 5.55 4.67 9.3 19 22
6 Kyle Boller College Stats QB 67 47 20-27-0 861 1519 56.7 8931 48 3.2 54 3.6 77 5.9 4.9 10.4 133.3 69.5 128.67 123 802 4.95 4.06 7.5 4 6
So, like ... 5%?
Remember when guys had nicknames like "Injun Joe" Kapp? Those were the days...
Quote from: ChuckD on September 30, 2015, 09:15:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 30, 2015, 08:54:58 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 30, 2015, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 30, 2015, 08:18:45 AM
I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...
If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?
The Cal quarterback, Jared Goff, looks pretty damn good, but who knows. Have to at least try. Jay could come back and throw 30 touchdowns and even I would still be ready to move on. This franchise just needs new blood.
Yeah, but what are the odds that Cal could ever produce a good NFL quarterback, especially one who has to play most of his games up north?
NFL has been around 96 years. Figure there's a Cal QB graduating every two years. So that's ~48 QB's graduated from the team.
Pro-Football-Reference shows 14 QBs from Cal (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/schools/california/stats.htm) played in the NFL.
Only 6 accumulated 16+ career GS in the NFL and 3-4 of them look like they were somewhere between average and garbage.
Rk Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD
1 Aaron Rodgers College Stats QB 113 106 73-33-0 2353 3566 66.0 29349 236 6.6 57 1.6 93 8.2 8.8 12.5 259.7 106.8 693.2 263 1626 7.24 7.80 6.9 8 12
2 Craig Morton College Stats QB 207 144 81-62-1 2053 3786 54.2 27908 183 4.8 187 4.9 95 7.4 6.1 13.6 134.8 73.5 373 2800 6.04 4.89 9.0 12 22
3 Joe Kapp College Stats QB 51 48 24-21-3 449 918 48.9 5911 40 4.4 64 7.0 85 6.4 4.2 13.2 115.9 55.1 55 429 5.63 3.50 5.7 5 5
4 Vince Ferragamo College Stats QB 75 53 27-26-0 902 1615 55.9 11336 76 4.7 91 5.6 85 7.0 5.4 12.6 151.1 70.1 94 770 6.18 4.68 5.5 6 6
5 Steve Bartkowski College Stats QB 129 127 59-68-0 1932 3456 55.9 24124 156 4.5 144 4.2 86 7.0 6.0 12.5 187.0 75.4 356 2956 5.55 4.67 9.3 19 22
6 Kyle Boller College Stats QB 67 47 20-27-0 861 1519 56.7 8931 48 3.2 54 3.6 77 5.9 4.9 10.4 133.3 69.5 128.67 123 802 4.95 4.06 7.5 4 6
So, like ... 5%?
Kyle Boller was terrible for his first three years in college, and then his senior year he threw a bunch of touchdowns (on 52% completions if I remember correctly) and Brian Billick took him in the first round because he was able to throw the ball 50 yards through the uprights from his knees. Shockingly he was a terrible, horribly inaccurate pro quarterback.
Boller became the last in a long line of turds that Jeff Tedford polished into decent college quarterbacks (other students of his included David Carr, Joey Harrington, Akili Smith, and Trent Dilfer), who then all got drafted in the first round and failed in the NFL. Those failures led to people labeling Aaron Rodgers another "Tedford QB" who was sure to fail in the NFL like his predecessors, and the buzz dropped him behind Alex Smith in the 2005 QB draft rankings, and into the waiting arms of the Green Bay Packers with the 24th overall pick.
Fuck you, Kyle Boller.
Quote from: SKO on September 30, 2015, 09:20:48 AM
David Carr
I never understood this. He coached Carr for his freshman year before boning out to Oregon, but that makes Carr a "Tedford QB?"
Quote from: Eli on September 30, 2015, 08:54:58 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 30, 2015, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 30, 2015, 08:18:45 AM
I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...
If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?
The Cal quarterback, Jared Goff, looks pretty damn good, but who knows. Have to at least try. Jay could come back and throw 30 touchdowns and even I would still be ready to move on. This franchise just needs new blood.
Yeah, but what are the odds that Cal could ever produce a good NFL quarterback, especially one who has to play most of his games up north?
Right. Here in Berkeley we never even see rain, let alone snow. (We know that this is the last season we will be able to enjoy watching Goff, who is only a junior.)
Quote from: ChuckD on September 30, 2015, 09:15:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 30, 2015, 08:54:58 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 30, 2015, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 30, 2015, 08:18:45 AM
I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...
If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?
The Cal quarterback, Jared Goff, looks pretty damn good, but who knows. Have to at least try. Jay could come back and throw 30 touchdowns and even I would still be ready to move on. This franchise just needs new blood.
Yeah, but what are the odds that Cal could ever produce a good NFL quarterback, especially one who has to play most of his games up north?
NFL has been around 96 years. Figure there's a Cal QB graduating every two years. So that's ~48 QB's graduated from the team.
Pro-Football-Reference shows 14 QBs from Cal (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/schools/california/stats.htm) played in the NFL.
Only 6 accumulated 16+ career GS in the NFL and 3-4 of them look like they were somewhere between average and garbage.
Rk Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD
1 Aaron Rodgers College Stats QB 113 106 73-33-0 2353 3566 66.0 29349 236 6.6 57 1.6 93 8.2 8.8 12.5 259.7 106.8 693.2 263 1626 7.24 7.80 6.9 8 12
2 Craig Morton College Stats QB 207 144 81-62-1 2053 3786 54.2 27908 183 4.8 187 4.9 95 7.4 6.1 13.6 134.8 73.5 373 2800 6.04 4.89 9.0 12 22
3 Joe Kapp College Stats QB 51 48 24-21-3 449 918 48.9 5911 40 4.4 64 7.0 85 6.4 4.2 13.2 115.9 55.1 55 429 5.63 3.50 5.7 5 5
4 Vince Ferragamo College Stats QB 75 53 27-26-0 902 1615 55.9 11336 76 4.7 91 5.6 85 7.0 5.4 12.6 151.1 70.1 94 770 6.18 4.68 5.5 6 6
5 Steve Bartkowski College Stats QB 129 127 59-68-0 1932 3456 55.9 24124 156 4.5 144 4.2 86 7.0 6.0 12.5 187.0 75.4 356 2956 5.55 4.67 9.3 19 22
6 Kyle Boller College Stats QB 67 47 20-27-0 861 1519 56.7 8931 48 3.2 54 3.6 77 5.9 4.9 10.4 133.3 69.5 128.67 123 802 4.95 4.06 7.5 4 6
So, like ... 5%?
IT WAS A JOKE, YOU NERD.
Quote from: Eli on September 30, 2015, 09:40:33 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 30, 2015, 09:15:11 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 30, 2015, 08:18:45 AM
I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...
If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?
The Cal quarterback, Jared Goff, looks pretty damn good, but who knows. Have to at least try. Jay could come back and throw 30 touchdowns and even I would still be ready to move on. This franchise just needs new blood.
Yeah, but what are the odds that Cal could ever produce a good NFL quarterback, especially one who has to play most of his games up north?
NFL has been around 96 years. Figure there's a Cal QB graduating every two years. So that's ~48 QB's graduated from the team.
Pro-Football-Reference shows 14 QBs from Cal (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/schools/california/stats.htm) played in the NFL.
Only 6 accumulated 16+ career GS in the NFL and 3-4 of them look like they were somewhere between average and garbage.
Rk Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD
1 Aaron Rodgers College Stats QB 113 106 73-33-0 2353 3566 66.0 29349 236 6.6 57 1.6 93 8.2 8.8 12.5 259.7 106.8 693.2 263 1626 7.24 7.80 6.9 8 12
2 Craig Morton College Stats QB 207 144 81-62-1 2053 3786 54.2 27908 183 4.8 187 4.9 95 7.4 6.1 13.6 134.8 73.5 373 2800 6.04 4.89 9.0 12 22
3 Joe Kapp College Stats QB 51 48 24-21-3 449 918 48.9 5911 40 4.4 64 7.0 85 6.4 4.2 13.2 115.9 55.1 55 429 5.63 3.50 5.7 5 5
4 Vince Ferragamo College Stats QB 75 53 27-26-0 902 1615 55.9 11336 76 4.7 91 5.6 85 7.0 5.4 12.6 151.1 70.1 94 770 6.18 4.68 5.5 6 6
5 Steve Bartkowski College Stats QB 129 127 59-68-0 1932 3456 55.9 24124 156 4.5 144 4.2 86 7.0 6.0 12.5 187.0 75.4 356 2956 5.55 4.67 9.3 19 22
6 Kyle Boller College Stats QB 67 47 20-27-0 861 1519 56.7 8931 48 3.2 54 3.6 77 5.9 4.9 10.4 133.3 69.5 128.67 123 802 4.95 4.06 7.5 4 6
So, like ... 5%?
IT WAS A JOKE, YOU NERD.
So, you weren't being sincere?
That was going to be a key loss in their postseason draft portfolio and they blew it. Mozilla FIRE FOX
Bump.
The one thing I'm taking away from this is that Pace has a decent eye for free agents? McPhee is the balls. How do you find a few more of him?
Wouldn't it be cool to see this offense with Jeffery, White, and Royal?
So are we keeping Jay now, or still angling for a QB?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 12, 2015, 10:50:43 AM
So are we keeping Jay now, or still angling for a QB?
Well at this rate they'll win 5-7 games, and take themselves well out of the range of drafting the only QB I think is worth building a franchise around (Goff), so, gonna just keep Jay and win a "respectable" 8 games next year, because we're all in football purgatory.
Any word on if Forte is hurt-hurt or if he was taken out after getting dinged up to preserve trade value?
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 01, 2015, 07:24:46 PM
Any word on if Forte is hurt-hurt or if he was taken out after getting dinged up to preserve trade value?
"Trade Value" for 30 year old RB = *maybe* a 5th round pick.
That is to say...you're dumb.
Quote from: PANK! on November 01, 2015, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 01, 2015, 07:24:46 PM
Any word on if Forte is hurt-hurt or if he was taken out after getting dinged up to preserve trade value?
"Trade Value" for 30 year old RB = *maybe* a 5th round pick.
That is to say...you're dumb.
Huey, don't bother.
Quote from: flannj on November 01, 2015, 09:23:31 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 01, 2015, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 01, 2015, 07:24:46 PM
Any word on if Forte is hurt-hurt or if he was taken out after getting dinged up to preserve trade value?
"Trade Value" for 30 year old RB = *maybe* a 5th round pick.
That is to say...you're dumb.
Huey, don't bother.
No, no. Let's see how this plays out...
Quote from: PANK! on November 01, 2015, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 01, 2015, 07:24:46 PM
Any word on if Forte is hurt-hurt or if he was taken out after getting dinged up to preserve trade value?
"Trade Value" for 30 year old RB = *maybe* a 5th round pick.
That is to say...you're dumb.
If the Bears can get any sort of draft pick, while getting rid of Forte and thereby substantially increasing their odds of getting a really, really good draft pick, it's a win-win.
Quote from: PANK! on November 01, 2015, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 01, 2015, 07:24:46 PM
Any word on if Forte is hurt-hurt or if he was taken out after getting dinged up to preserve trade value?
"Trade Value" for 30 year old RB = *maybe* a 5th round pick.
That is to say...you're dumb.
Value to the Bears in 9 weeks: Nothing
Not trading him is dumb if anyone offers any sort of pick.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 02, 2015, 08:26:42 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 01, 2015, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 01, 2015, 07:24:46 PM
Any word on if Forte is hurt-hurt or if he was taken out after getting dinged up to preserve trade value?
"Trade Value" for 30 year old RB = *maybe* a 5th round pick.
That is to say...you're dumb.
Value to the Bears in 9 weeks: Nothing
Not trading him is dumb if anyone offers any sort of pick.
I think he'd be awesome in the Patriots' system, given that they like to set up that pass with the play action. And they're smart about using veteran players in ways that both conserve them and maximize their potential before they cut their old, rich, CTE riddled asses.
Yeah, fuck the NFL forever: http://deadspin.com/this-is-why-nfl-star-greg-hardy-was-arrested-for-assaul-1739117634
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2015, 12:38:29 PM
Yeah, fuck the NFL forever: http://deadspin.com/this-is-why-nfl-star-greg-hardy-was-arrested-for-assaul-1739117634
This is fucking revolting.
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2015, 04:34:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2015, 12:38:29 PM
Yeah, fuck the NFL forever: http://deadspin.com/this-is-why-nfl-star-greg-hardy-was-arrested-for-assaul-1739117634
This is fucking revolting.
ESPN headline is still calling it "alleged" domestic violence.
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2015, 12:38:29 PM
Yeah, fuck the NFL forever: http://deadspin.com/this-is-why-nfl-star-greg-hardy-was-arrested-for-assaul-1739117634
What SKO said.
http://deadspin.com/cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-releases-statement-supporting-1741123627
Quote from: CT III on November 06, 2015, 09:22:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2015, 12:38:29 PM
Yeah, fuck the NFL forever: http://deadspin.com/this-is-why-nfl-star-greg-hardy-was-arrested-for-assaul-1739117634
What SKO said.
http://deadspin.com/cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-releases-statement-supporting-1741123627
Never in my life did I believe "Fuck Dallas" wasn't sufficien, until now.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 07, 2015, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 06, 2015, 09:22:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2015, 12:38:29 PM
Yeah, fuck the NFL forever: http://deadspin.com/this-is-why-nfl-star-greg-hardy-was-arrested-for-assaul-1739117634
What SKO said.
http://deadspin.com/cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-releases-statement-supporting-1741123627
Never in my life did I believe "Fuck Dallas" wasn't sufficien, until now.
Still insufficien without a "t".
Quote from: PANK! on November 07, 2015, 08:26:59 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 07, 2015, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 06, 2015, 09:22:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2015, 12:38:29 PM
Yeah, fuck the NFL forever: http://deadspin.com/this-is-why-nfl-star-greg-hardy-was-arrested-for-assaul-1739117634
What SKO said.
http://deadspin.com/cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-releases-statement-supporting-1741123627
Never in my life did I believe "Fuck Dallas" wasn't sufficien, until now.
Still insufficien without a "t".
People who live in glass bogs shouldn't throw potatoes.
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2015, 08:29:21 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 07, 2015, 08:26:59 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 07, 2015, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 06, 2015, 09:22:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2015, 12:38:29 PM
Yeah, fuck the NFL forever: http://deadspin.com/this-is-why-nfl-star-greg-hardy-was-arrested-for-assaul-1739117634
What SKO said.
http://deadspin.com/cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-releases-statement-supporting-1741123627
Never in my life did I believe "Fuck Dallas" wasn't sufficien, until now.
Still insufficien without a "t".
People who live in glass bogs shouldn't throw potatoes.
PANK disagree
Quote from: PANK! on November 07, 2015, 08:31:33 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2015, 08:29:21 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 07, 2015, 08:26:59 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 07, 2015, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 06, 2015, 09:22:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2015, 12:38:29 PM
Yeah, fuck the NFL forever: http://deadspin.com/this-is-why-nfl-star-greg-hardy-was-arrested-for-assaul-1739117634
What SKO said.
http://deadspin.com/cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-releases-statement-supporting-1741123627
Never in my life did I believe "Fuck Dallas" wasn't sufficien, until now.
Still insufficien without a "t".
People who live in glass bogs shouldn't throw potatoes.
PANK disagree
Nice helme
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2015, 08:29:21 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 07, 2015, 08:26:59 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 07, 2015, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 06, 2015, 09:22:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2015, 12:38:29 PM
Yeah, fuck the NFL forever: http://deadspin.com/this-is-why-nfl-star-greg-hardy-was-arrested-for-assaul-1739117634
What SKO said.
http://deadspin.com/cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-releases-statement-supporting-1741123627
Never in my life did I believe "Fuck Dallas" wasn't sufficien, until now.
Still insufficien without a "t".
People who live in glass bogs shouldn't throw potatoes.
*oPtoa
Quote from: Tonker on November 08, 2015, 12:36:38 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2015, 08:29:21 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 07, 2015, 08:26:59 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 07, 2015, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 06, 2015, 09:22:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2015, 12:38:29 PM
Yeah, fuck the NFL forever: http://deadspin.com/this-is-why-nfl-star-greg-hardy-was-arrested-for-assaul-1739117634
What SKO said.
http://deadspin.com/cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-releases-statement-supporting-1741123627
Never in my life did I believe "Fuck Dallas" wasn't sufficien, until now.
Still insufficien without a "t".
People who live in glass bogs shouldn't throw potatoes.
*oPtoa
Validated.
Professional coaching. How refreshing.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 16, 2015, 05:01:43 PM
Professional coaching. How refreshing.
It's all a problem. Coaching this stuff is a problem.
Did anyone else enjoy watching Osweiler outplay Cutler today?
Don't let the last 2 weeks fool you, this team is still a giant, mostly talent-free, dumpster fire.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 22, 2015, 03:02:30 PM
Did anyone else enjoy watching Osweiler outplay Cutler today?
Don't let the last 2 weeks fool you, this team is still a giant, mostly talent-free, dumpster fire.
Whenever there is losing or misfortune, CFiHP will be there, irritatingly telling you he told you so despite never actually having done so.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 22, 2015, 03:02:30 PM
Did anyone else enjoy
I guarantee you, no matter how this sentence ends, if you're asking the question here, the answer is "no."
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 22, 2015, 03:02:30 PM
Did anyone else enjoy watching Osweiler outplay Cutler today?
Don't let the last 2 weeks fool you, this team is still a giant, mostly talent-free, dumpster fire.
One quarterback played the #1 ranked defense in the league. The other quarterback played the 27th ranked defense in the league. I know you accounted for that, though.
I don't have any idea if the Bears are good or terrible or somewhere in between, but I do know if feels great to not give a shit about the Bears or the NFL. Turns out Sundays are just kind of like Saturdays now. It's super cool.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 22, 2015, 03:02:30 PM
Did anyone else enjoy watching Osweiler outplay Cutler today?
Don't let the last 2 weeks fool you, this team is still a giant, mostly talent-free, dumpster fire.
Blaming Cutler for yesterday's loss is like blaming Czechoslovakia for failing to stop Hitler. Your second sentence is fairly accurate. I don't recall anybody in this community getting fooled or excited about what the Bears are though.
Quote from: InternetApex on November 23, 2015, 07:10:32 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 22, 2015, 03:02:30 PM
Did anyone else enjoy watching Osweiler outplay Cutler today?
Don't let the last 2 weeks fool you, this team is still a giant, mostly talent-free, dumpster fire.
Blaming Cutler for yesterday's loss is like blaming Czechoslovakia for failing to stop Hitler. Your second sentence is fairly accurate. I don't recall anybody in this community getting fooled or excited about what the Bears are though.
I found the quote rather telling as it was indicative to me that CFIHP
did get fooled by the previous two weeks, as only someone who had would be asshurt about yesterday's result.
I mean that Broncos defense held CFIHP's beloved Aaron Rodgers to 77 yards passing, expecting Cutler to dominate them without anyone who could reasonably called an NFL wide receiver seemed a bit much.
Whatever makes you feel better, I suppose.
Quote from: Eli on November 22, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
I don't have any idea if the Bears are good or terrible or somewhere in between, but I do know if feels great to not give a shit about the Bears or the NFL. Turns out Sundays are just kind of like Saturdays now. It's super cool.
It's pretty sweet, isn't it?
Quote from: Bort on November 23, 2015, 07:48:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 22, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
I don't have any idea if the Bears are good or terrible or somewhere in between, but I do know if feels great to not give a shit about the Bears or the NFL. Turns out Sundays are just kind of like Saturdays now. It's super cool.
It's pretty sweet, isn't it?
No traffic. Had a nice brunch. Ran some errands. Enjoyed some snow melting. Life is good.
Quote from: Oleg on November 23, 2015, 08:35:30 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 23, 2015, 07:48:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 22, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
I don't have any idea if the Bears are good or terrible or somewhere in between, but I do know if feels great to not give a shit about the Bears or the NFL. Turns out Sundays are just kind of like Saturdays now. It's super cool.
It's pretty sweet, isn't it?
No traffic. Had a nice brunch. Ran some errands. Enjoyed some snow melting. Life is good.
I think I've watched about 8 quarters of Bears football this year. Watched most of the first half yesterday, and the last 2 minutes. Watched the end of Chargers game.
It's been nice.
Quote from: SKO on November 23, 2015, 08:37:20 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 23, 2015, 08:35:30 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 23, 2015, 07:48:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 22, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
I don't have any idea if the Bears are good or terrible or somewhere in between, but I do know if feels great to not give a shit about the Bears or the NFL. Turns out Sundays are just kind of like Saturdays now. It's super cool.
It's pretty sweet, isn't it?
No traffic. Had a nice brunch. Ran some errands. Enjoyed some snow melting. Life is good.
I think I've watched about 8 quarters of Bears football this year. Watched most of the first half yesterday, and the last 2 minutes. Watched the end of Chargers game.
It's been nice.
I've watched most of the past 4 games. I don't get very emotional. Sunday afternoons are about relaxing on the couch and if the Bears win, great. If they don't, fine. I know I said I was done but I just can't quit completely as long as Cutler is there and playing decent. I've got enough invested in that to see it through - with zero expectations.
Quote from: InternetApex on November 23, 2015, 08:49:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 23, 2015, 08:37:20 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 23, 2015, 08:35:30 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 23, 2015, 07:48:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 22, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
I don't have any idea if the Bears are good or terrible or somewhere in between, but I do know if feels great to not give a shit about the Bears or the NFL. Turns out Sundays are just kind of like Saturdays now. It's super cool.
It's pretty sweet, isn't it?
No traffic. Had a nice brunch. Ran some errands. Enjoyed some snow melting. Life is good.
I think I've watched about 8 quarters of Bears football this year. Watched most of the first half yesterday, and the last 2 minutes. Watched the end of Chargers game.
It's been nice.
I've watched most of the past 4 games. I don't get very emotional. Sunday afternoons are about relaxing on the couch and if the Bears win, great. If they don't, fine. I know I said I was done but I just can't quit completely as long as Cutler is there and playing decent. I've got enough invested in that to see it through - with zero expectations.
Yeah I mean I can't say I don't completely care. The few times I have found myself watching it's not like I didn't want them to do well, their failures just have no effect on me whatsoever.
Quote from: SKO on November 23, 2015, 08:56:33 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 23, 2015, 08:49:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 23, 2015, 08:37:20 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 23, 2015, 08:35:30 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 23, 2015, 07:48:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 22, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
I don't have any idea if the Bears are good or terrible or somewhere in between, but I do know if feels great to not give a shit about the Bears or the NFL. Turns out Sundays are just kind of like Saturdays now. It's super cool.
It's pretty sweet, isn't it?
No traffic. Had a nice brunch. Ran some errands. Enjoyed some snow melting. Life is good.
I think I've watched about 8 quarters of Bears football this year. Watched most of the first half yesterday, and the last 2 minutes. Watched the end of Chargers game.
It's been nice.
I've watched most of the past 4 games. I don't get very emotional. Sunday afternoons are about relaxing on the couch and if the Bears win, great. If they don't, fine. I know I said I was done but I just can't quit completely as long as Cutler is there and playing decent. I've got enough invested in that to see it through - with zero expectations.
Yeah I mean I can't say I don't completely care. The few times I have found myself watching it's not like I didn't want them to do well, their failures just have no effect on me whatsoever.
Yesterday's was the first Bears game of which I watched all 4 Quarters. Until then I think I had probably watched a total of 4 Quarters all year.
Quote from: PANK! on November 23, 2015, 09:20:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 23, 2015, 08:56:33 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 23, 2015, 08:49:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 23, 2015, 08:37:20 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 23, 2015, 08:35:30 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 23, 2015, 07:48:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 22, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
I don't have any idea if the Bears are good or terrible or somewhere in between, but I do know if feels great to not give a shit about the Bears or the NFL. Turns out Sundays are just kind of like Saturdays now. It's super cool.
It's pretty sweet, isn't it?
No traffic. Had a nice brunch. Ran some errands. Enjoyed some snow melting. Life is good.
I think I've watched about 8 quarters of Bears football this year. Watched most of the first half yesterday, and the last 2 minutes. Watched the end of Chargers game.
It's been nice.
I've watched most of the past 4 games. I don't get very emotional. Sunday afternoons are about relaxing on the couch and if the Bears win, great. If they don't, fine. I know I said I was done but I just can't quit completely as long as Cutler is there and playing decent. I've got enough invested in that to see it through - with zero expectations.
Yeah I mean I can't say I don't completely care. The few times I have found myself watching it's not like I didn't want them to do well, their failures just have no effect on me whatsoever.
Yesterday's was the first Bears game of which I watched all 4 Quarters. Until then I think I had probably watched a total of 4 Quarters all year.
I shake my head when the 2015 Bears win a game. Did they trade away their position in the draft? Did they catch a team having a bad day?
Quote from: CBStew on November 23, 2015, 01:30:25 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 23, 2015, 09:20:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 23, 2015, 08:56:33 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 23, 2015, 08:49:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 23, 2015, 08:37:20 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 23, 2015, 08:35:30 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 23, 2015, 07:48:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 22, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
I don't have any idea if the Bears are good or terrible or somewhere in between, but I do know if feels great to not give a shit about the Bears or the NFL. Turns out Sundays are just kind of like Saturdays now. It's super cool.
It's pretty sweet, isn't it?
No traffic. Had a nice brunch. Ran some errands. Enjoyed some snow melting. Life is good.
I think I've watched about 8 quarters of Bears football this year. Watched most of the first half yesterday, and the last 2 minutes. Watched the end of Chargers game.
It's been nice.
I've watched most of the past 4 games. I don't get very emotional. Sunday afternoons are about relaxing on the couch and if the Bears win, great. If they don't, fine. I know I said I was done but I just can't quit completely as long as Cutler is there and playing decent. I've got enough invested in that to see it through - with zero expectations.
Yeah I mean I can't say I don't completely care. The few times I have found myself watching it's not like I didn't want them to do well, their failures just have no effect on me whatsoever.
Yesterday's was the first Bears game of which I watched all 4 Quarters. Until then I think I had probably watched a total of 4 Quarters all year.
I shake my head when the 2015 Bears win a game. Did they trade away their position in the draft? Did they catch a team having a bad day?
That's typically the story. But they're playing everybody close right now. They don't have difference makers on either side of the ball. Nobody who can just physically destroy an opponent and change a game on just a couple of plays. A big play receiver, a burner at running back, a defensive lineman who can eat a quarterback raw, big hitting safety, Peanut Fucking Tillman... none of these things exists. If that's the case, you can hang in against other teams and if the other team is bad, hell, you can win. If the other team has Clay Matthews or some of those bitches on that Denver defense, well, a loser is you. This seems oversimplified and it is.
These are the Wannstedt-era Bears. But we've been told that this Ryan Pace fella knows where to find difference-makers and that John Fox can take his'n and compete with your'n.
This is not a trainwreck. It's a traffic jam on the interstate on a Wednesday and you need to call your boss and tell him you'll be late and you're super sorry. And he's like meh, see you when you get here.
Quote from: InternetApex on November 23, 2015, 02:09:17 PM
Quote from: CBStew on November 23, 2015, 01:30:25 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 23, 2015, 09:20:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 23, 2015, 08:56:33 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 23, 2015, 08:49:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 23, 2015, 08:37:20 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 23, 2015, 08:35:30 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 23, 2015, 07:48:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 22, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
I don't have any idea if the Bears are good or terrible or somewhere in between, but I do know if feels great to not give a shit about the Bears or the NFL. Turns out Sundays are just kind of like Saturdays now. It's super cool.
It's pretty sweet, isn't it?
No traffic. Had a nice brunch. Ran some errands. Enjoyed some snow melting. Life is good.
I think I've watched about 8 quarters of Bears football this year. Watched most of the first half yesterday, and the last 2 minutes. Watched the end of Chargers game.
It's been nice.
I've watched most of the past 4 games. I don't get very emotional. Sunday afternoons are about relaxing on the couch and if the Bears win, great. If they don't, fine. I know I said I was done but I just can't quit completely as long as Cutler is there and playing decent. I've got enough invested in that to see it through - with zero expectations.
Yeah I mean I can't say I don't completely care. The few times I have found myself watching it's not like I didn't want them to do well, their failures just have no effect on me whatsoever.
Yesterday's was the first Bears game of which I watched all 4 Quarters. Until then I think I had probably watched a total of 4 Quarters all year.
I shake my head when the 2015 Bears win a game. Did they trade away their position in the draft? Did they catch a team having a bad day?
That's typically the story. But they're playing everybody close right now. They don't have difference makers on either side of the ball. Nobody who can just physically destroy an opponent and change a game on just a couple of plays. A big play receiver, a burner at running back, a defensive lineman who can eat a quarterback raw, big hitting safety, Peanut Fucking Tillman... none of these things exists. If that's the case, you can hang in against other teams and if the other team is bad, hell, you can win. If the other team has Clay Matthews or some of those bitches on that Denver defense, well, a loser is you. This seems oversimplified and it is.
These are the Wannstedt Jauron-era Bears. But we've been told that this Ryan Pace fella knows where to find difference-makers and that John Fox can take his'n and compete with your'n.
This is not a trainwreck. It's a traffic jam on the interstate on a Wednesday and you need to call your boss and tell him you'll be late and you're super sorry. And he's like meh, see you when you get here.
THe Wannstedt Era got progressively worse until it was a positive abortion the final two years. If this the Wannstedt Era
redux you can count me the fuck out.
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I don't have any idea if the Bears are good or terrible or somewhere in between, but I do know if feels great to not give a shit about the Bears or the NFL. Turns out Sundays are just kind of like Saturdays now. It's super cool.
It's pretty sweet, isn't it?
No traffic. Had a nice brunch. Ran some errands. Enjoyed some snow melting. Life is good.
I think I've watched about 8 quarters of Bears football this year. Watched most of the first half yesterday, and the last 2 minutes. Watched the end of Chargers game.
It's been nice.
I've watched most of the past 4 games. I don't get very emotional. Sunday afternoons are about relaxing on the couch and if the Bears win, great. If they don't, fine. I know I said I was done but I just can't quit completely as long as Cutler is there and playing decent. I've got enough invested in that to see it through - with zero expectations.
Yeah I mean I can't say I don't completely care. The few times I have found myself watching it's not like I didn't want them to do well, their failures just have no effect on me whatsoever.
Yesterday's was the first Bears game of which I watched all 4 Quarters. Until then I think I had probably watched a total of 4 Quarters all year.
I shake my head when the 2015 Bears win a game. Did they trade away their position in the draft? Did they catch a team having a bad day?
That's typically the story. But they're playing everybody close right now. They don't have difference makers on either side of the ball. Nobody who can just physically destroy an opponent and change a game on just a couple of plays. A big play receiver, a burner at running back, a defensive lineman who can eat a quarterback raw, big hitting safety, Peanut Fucking Tillman... none of these things exists. If that's the case, you can hang in against other teams and if the other team is bad, hell, you can win. If the other team has Clay Matthews or some of those bitches on that Denver defense, well, a loser is you. This seems oversimplified and it is.
These are the Wannstedt Jauron-era Bears. But we've been told that this Ryan Pace fella knows where to find difference-makers and that John Fox can take his'n and compete with your'n.
This is not a trainwreck. It's a traffic jam on the interstate on a Wednesday and you need to call your boss and tell him you'll be late and you're super sorry. And he's like meh, see you when you get here.
THe Wannstedt Era got progressively worse until it was a positive abortion the final two years. If this the Wannstedt Era redux you can count me the fuck out.
I'll allow it. We're talking about 10 games. I can't tell you where it goes from here. Jauron had Hall of Fame talent on defense eventually but in year one the cupboard was bare and they sort of overachieved. So ok.
Quote from: Eli on November 22, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
I don't have any idea if the Bears are good or terrible or somewhere in between, but I do know if feels great to not give a shit about the Bears or the NFL. Turns out Sundays are just kind of like Saturdays now. It's super cool.
What time does Lee Corso put on a mascot head on Sunday?
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Quote from: Eli on November 22, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
I don't have any idea if the Bears are good or terrible or somewhere in between, but I do know if feels great to not give a shit about the Bears or the NFL. Turns out Sundays are just kind of like Saturdays now. It's super cool.
It's pretty sweet, isn't it?
No traffic. Had a nice brunch. Ran some errands. Enjoyed some snow melting. Life is good.
I think I've watched about 8 quarters of Bears football this year. Watched most of the first half yesterday, and the last 2 minutes. Watched the end of Chargers game.
It's been nice.
I've watched most of the past 4 games. I don't get very emotional. Sunday afternoons are about relaxing on the couch and if the Bears win, great. If they don't, fine. I know I said I was done but I just can't quit completely as long as Cutler is there and playing decent. I've got enough invested in that to see it through - with zero expectations.
Yeah I mean I can't say I don't completely care. The few times I have found myself watching it's not like I didn't want them to do well, their failures just have no effect on me whatsoever.
Yesterday's was the first Bears game of which I watched all 4 Quarters. Until then I think I had probably watched a total of 4 Quarters all year.
I shake my head when the 2015 Bears win a game. Did they trade away their position in the draft? Did they catch a team having a bad day?
That's typically the story. But they're playing everybody close right now. They don't have difference makers on either side of the ball. Nobody who can just physically destroy an opponent and change a game on just a couple of plays. A big play receiver, a burner at running back, a defensive lineman who can eat a quarterback raw, big hitting safety, Peanut Fucking Tillman... none of these things exists. If that's the case, you can hang in against other teams and if the other team is bad, hell, you can win. If the other team has Clay Matthews or some of those bitches on that Denver defense, well, a loser is you. This seems oversimplified and it is.
These are the Wannstedt Jauron-era Bears. But we've been told that this Ryan Pace fella knows where to find difference-makers and that John Fox can take his'n and compete with your'n.
This is not a trainwreck. It's a traffic jam on the interstate on a Wednesday and you need to call your boss and tell him you'll be late and you're super sorry. And he's like meh, see you when you get here.
THe Wannstedt Era got progressively worse until it was a positive abortion the final two years. If this the Wannstedt Era redux you can count me the fuck out.
I'll allow it. We're talking about 10 games. I can't tell you where it goes from here. Jauron had Hall of Fame talent on defense eventually but in year one the cupboard was bare and they sort of overachieved. So ok.
Yeah. The way I see it, Wannstedt got off to a good start, but it started going sour the week after they knocked off the defending Super Bowl champ Cowboys to kick off the '96 season when they went into Washington and got beat by an underwhelming Redskins team when Erik Kramer elected to throw one out of the endzone rather than risk an INT on the last play of the game. The season could've been salvaged but Jim Flanigan dropped a pass at Mile High Stadium. The next season the Bears lost their first seven games and Wanny should've been fired but instead was allowed to come back for a repeat clusterfuck of a season in '98. By the end of '98 the team was reaching franchise depths not seen since Abe Gibron was providing fodder for NFL Films®
I've always felt that if nothing else, Dick Jauron was able to slow down the Bears's race to the bottom which had built up a good amount of momentum in the last 3 years of Wannstedt's tenure and Jauron may have actually had more success had he not been so loyal to his staff (mostly John Shoop). Still, he was able to provide some semblance of stability which set the table for Lovie Smith. That is all.
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Yeah. The way I see it, Wannstedt got off to a good start, but it started going sour the week after they knocked off the defending Super Bowl champ Cowboys to kick off the '96 season when they went into Washington and got beat by an underwhelming Redskins team when Erik Kramer elected to throw one out of the endzone rather than risk an INT on the last play of the game. The season could've been salvaged but Jim Flanigan dropped a pass at Mile High Stadium. The next season the Bears lost their first seven games and Wanny should've been fired but instead was allowed to come back for a repeat clusterfuck of a season in '98. By the end of '98 the team was reaching franchise depths not seen since Abe Gibron was providing fodder for NFL Films®
I've always felt that if nothing else, Dick Jauron was able to slow down the Bears's race to the bottom which had built up a good amount of momentum in the last 3 years of Wannstedt's tenure and Jauron may have actually had more success had he not been so loyal to his staff (mostly John Shoop). Still, he was able to provide some semblance of stability which set the table for Lovie Smith. That is all.
No Cade McNown this time and they should be golden. Super Bears. Super Bowl.
I realize this is a sorry ass thing to say but the officiating in the NFL blows.
When's CubFanUpHisOwnAss gonna comment on Rodgers getting outplayed at home on Thanksgiving by Cutler?
Quote from: SKO on November 26, 2015, 10:58:00 PM
When's CubFanUpHisOwnAss gonna comment on Rodgers getting outplayed at home on Thanksgiving by Cutler?
On Brett Favre Suckoff Night even. Pretty sweet.
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Quote from: SKO on November 26, 2015, 10:58:00 PM
When's CubFanUpHisOwnAss gonna comment on Rodgers getting outplayed at home on Thanksgiving by Cutler?
On Brett Favre Suckoff Night even. Pretty sweet.
Not a Bears fan, still enjoyed the shit out of it.
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Quote from: SKO on November 26, 2015, 10:58:00 PM
When's CubFanUpHisOwnAss gonna comment on Rodgers getting outplayed at home on Thanksgiving by Cutler?
On Brett Favre Suckoff Night even. Pretty sweet.
Not a Bears fan, still enjoyed the shit out of it.
I think people of nearly every fanbase, color, creed, nationality, etc. can come together to agree that the Packers and especially Brett Favre can get fucked into perpetuity.
Quote from: SKO on November 26, 2015, 10:58:00 PM
When's CubFanUpHisOwnAss gonna comment on Did anyone else enjoy Rodgers getting outplayed at home on Thanksgiving by Cutler?
C'mon, man!
It does still annoy me that John Fox is still a big weenie when it comes to having to make tough fourth down decisions and his clock management is bizarre, but it's pretty hard to deny that he and Gase and Fangio are getting way more than anyone has any right to out of a team and especially a defense that has fuckall for talent.
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Quote from: SKO on November 26, 2015, 10:58:00 PM
When's CubFanUpHisOwnAss gonna comment on Rodgers getting outplayed at home on Thanksgiving by Cutler?
On Brett Favre Suckoff Night even. Pretty sweet.
Not a Bears fan, still enjoyed the shit out of it.
I think people of nearly every fanbase, color, creed, nationality, etc. can come together to agree that the Packers and especially Brett Favre can get fucked into perpetuity.
Double for Dallas.
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Quote from: SKO on November 26, 2015, 10:58:00 PM
When's CubFanUpHisOwnAss gonna comment on Rodgers getting outplayed at home on Thanksgiving by Cutler?
On Brett Favre Suckoff Night even. Pretty sweet.
Not a Bears fan, still enjoyed the shit out of it.
I think people of nearly every fanbase, color, creed, nationality, etc. can come together to agree that the Packers and especially Brett Favre can get fucked into perpetuity.
Double for Dallas.
I barely qualify as a football fan, and I was positively gleeful watching that.
Did anyone else enjoy watching Osweiler outplay Tom Brady yesterday?
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Did anyone else enjoy watching Osweiler outplay Tom Brady yesterday?
I thought we weren't using this for things that are actually enjoyable.
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Did anyone else enjoy watching Osweiler outplay Tom Brady yesterday?
I thought we weren't using this for things that are actually enjoyable.
I'm just paraphrasing this dipshit:
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 22, 2015, 03:02:30 PM
Did anyone else enjoy watching Osweiler outplay Cutler today?
Don't let the last 2 weeks fool you, this team is still a giant, mostly talent-free, dumpster fire.
Idiot kickers strike again.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 06, 2015, 03:10:47 PM
Idiot kickers strike again.
I'm more willing to give Gould a pass given his lengthy history, at least relative to a defense that let Blaine fucking Gabbert scramble untouched for a 44 yard TD. The only upside to that play was listening to Joniak fail at describing what happened.
I'm even more willing to give Gould a pass than Cutler, who couldn't do anything remotely useful against the worst pass defense in the league and who handed it a pick-six.
Think the Broncos would take Jay back for Osweiler?
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Idiot kickers strike again.
I'm more willing to give Gould a pass given his lengthy history, at least relative to a defense that let Blaine fucking Gabbert scramble untouched for a 44 yard TD. The only upside to that play was listening to Joniak fail at describing what happened.
I'm even more willing to give Gould a pass than Cutler, who couldn't do anything remotely useful against the worst pass defense in the league and who handed it a pick-six.
Think the Broncos would take Jay back for Osweiler?
So you're mad at everyone except for the one guy who would have won the game had he simply done his job one time on an easy play given his preferences and ability. Got it. Great. Love our little talks.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 06, 2015, 03:10:47 PM
Idiot kickers strike again.
I'm more willing to give Gould a pass given his lengthy history, at least relative to a defense that let Blaine fucking Gabbert scramble untouched for a 44 yard TD. The only upside to that play was listening to Joniak fail at describing what happened.
I'm even more willing to give Gould a pass than Cutler, who couldn't do anything remotely useful against the worst pass defense in the league and who handed it a pick-six.
Think the Broncos would take Jay back for Osweiler?
So you're mad at everyone except for the one guy who would have won the game had he simply done his job one time on an easy play given his preferences and ability. Got it. Great. Love our little talks.
CFIHP deserved that.
If John Fox is allowed to spend more than 17 seconds with Mitch Trubisky ever again, the Ryan Pace era needs to end.
I don't know if Mitch is going to pan out or not, but he's not being helped by the Fox regime. If Pace allows Fox to continue to drive the new Ferrari recklessly, that ends up being Pace's fault.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 13, 2017, 09:48:53 AM
If John Fox is allowed to spend more than 17 seconds with Mitch Trubisky ever again, the Ryan Pace era needs to end.
I don't know if Mitch is going to pan out or not, but he's not being helped by the Fox regime. If Pace allows Fox to continue to drive the new Ferrari recklessly, that ends up being Pace's fault.
remember when you said he was football theo because he cut some guys to make cap room he then used on nothing useful
*trades Brandon Marshall and Martellus Bennett for nothing and both have pro-bowl caliber seasons in their new cities as the Bears suffer for years from a lack of playmakers on offense*
Chuck: this guy is smart.
Can we just stipulate that the Bears will be no better than the Browns for time immemorial, so that way if anything good happens it will be a pleasant surprise?
Quote from: SKO on November 13, 2017, 11:04:44 AM
*trades Brandon Marshall and Martellus Bennett for nothing and both have pro-bowl caliber seasons in their new cities as the Bears suffer for years from a lack of playmakers on offense*
Chuck: this guy is smart.
Yeah, no. http://desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8809.msg293272#msg293272
While the Paul DePodesta era isn't going so well in Cleveland, the Bears could do worse than drafting Theo Epstein in 2021 (or Jed Hoyer in 2018) to replace Ted Phillips as President of the Bears.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 13, 2017, 11:34:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 13, 2017, 11:04:44 AM
*trades Brandon Marshall and Martellus Bennett for nothing and both have pro-bowl caliber seasons in their new cities as the Bears suffer for years from a lack of playmakers on offense*
Chuck: this guy is smart.
Yeah, no. http://desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8809.msg293272#msg293272
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 21, 2015, 04:40:08 PM
I don't think I've said that Pace is going Full Theo (maybe I have), rather that I've hoped he would. The non-release of Cutler was very disappointing because it suggested he was going Full Kenny Williams.
so...to be clear your rebuttal of me mocking you by saying you thought Pace was the new Epstein was to direct me to a place where you said you "maybe" said that. Okay then.
(https://i.imgur.com/asydfy2.png)
Could there be two Chucks any less similar than Internet Chuck and Chuck Berry?
*cough*
http://desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8809.msg293793#msg293793
Quote from: CT III on November 13, 2017, 01:03:28 PM
*cough*
http://desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8809.msg293793#msg293793
There definitely is something strange about piling on Chuck for having been too
optimistic.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on November 13, 2017, 01:19:14 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 13, 2017, 01:03:28 PM
*cough*
http://desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8809.msg293793#msg293793
There definitely is something strange about piling on Chuck for having been too optimistic.
Let's just laugh at Chuck getting epically owned even more than usual.
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Quote from: Huey Potatohead on November 13, 2017, 01:19:14 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 13, 2017, 01:03:28 PM
*cough*
http://desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8809.msg293793#msg293793
There definitely is something strange about piling on Chuck for having been too optimistic.
Let's just laugh at Chuck getting epically owned even more than usual.
He's actually laughing
We are all Staley today (https://twitter.com/_MarcusD2_/status/932365359335837697).
This is going great....
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 04, 2017, 09:13:25 AM
This is going great....
I'm not sure what to make of the Fox hire in the first place. Either it was entirely Pace's decision and can be defended on the grounds that the rebuild might not have to be stripped down so far and having a veteran coach who's had success might allow Pace--a young, 1st time GM--to have his cake and eat it too, or that it
wasn't entirely Pace's decision which would mean he's always been a neutered GM since jump street and was a stupid fucking PANK for taking the job in the first place on that condition.
If it's #1, then hindsight tells us that it was a complete disaster, since they were never competitive and this is compounded by possibly having retarded the growth of young players by a veteran coach who tried (and failed) to win now. If it's #2, then we're fucked, as it'd mean we're still mired in the byzantine management structure of the weird McCaskey family.
Neither outcome is good but I think Pace will be allowed to fire his first hire without endangering his job
too much...although he will not get 3 years with a new coach to shit the tub to the tune of 12-13 wins in that time, in which case he'll be canned and we get to start all over again. Yay!
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 04, 2017, 09:13:25 AM
This is going great....
I'm not sure what to make of the Fox hire in the first place. Either it was entirely Pace's decision and can be defended on the grounds that the rebuild might not have to be stripped down so far and having a veteran coach who's had success might allow Pace--a young, 1st time GM--to have his cake and eat it too, or that it wasn't entirely Pace's decision which would mean he's always been a neutered GM since jump street and was a stupid fucking PANK for taking the job in the first place on that condition.
If it's #1, then hindsight tells us that it was a complete disaster, since they were never competitive and this is compounded by possibly having retarded the growth of young players by a veteran coach who tried (and failed) to win now. If it's #2, then we're fucked, as it'd mean we're still mired in the byzantine management structure of the weird McCaskey family.
Neither outcome is good but I think Pace will be allowed to fire his first hire without endangering his job too much...although he will not get 3 years with a new coach to shit the tub to the tune of 12-13 wins in that time, in which case he'll be canned and we get to start all over again. Yay!
Given the decades of failure with a team that is considered to be one of the top valued NFL franchises I'm going to go with behind door #2.
Did I win a cheese straightener?
Or just a copy of the "Home Game"?
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 04, 2017, 09:13:25 AM
This is going great....
I'm not sure what to make of the Fox hire in the first place. Either it was entirely Pace's decision and can be defended on the grounds that the rebuild might not have to be stripped down so far and having a veteran coach who's had success might allow Pace--a young, 1st time GM--to have his cake and eat it too, or that it wasn't entirely Pace's decision which would mean he's always been a neutered GM since jump street and was a stupid fucking PANK for taking the job in the first place on that condition.
If it's #1, then hindsight tells us that it was a complete disaster, since they were never competitive and this is compounded by possibly having retarded the growth of young players by a veteran coach who tried (and failed) to win now. If it's #2, then we're fucked, as it'd mean we're still mired in the byzantine management structure of the weird McCaskey family.
Neither outcome is good but I think Pace will be allowed to fire his first hire without endangering his job too much...although he will not get 3 years with a new coach to shit the tub to the tune of 12-13 wins in that time, in which case he'll be canned and we get to start all over again. Yay!
The talk of late has been Door #2. He's neutered, GM in name only.
A kicker losing a playoff game by hitting the uprights? Who could have guessed.