How the fuck am I just now starting this thread, almost twenty-four hours after the trade went down? I despair of this place.
We're all over here working, we can't get 6 months off to eat Korean eel vulva like you.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 14, 2017, 08:46:11 AM
We're all over here working, we can't get 6 months off to eat Korean eel vulva like you.
Uuummm...64 slices of Korean eel vulva.
Quote from: Tonker on July 14, 2017, 04:21:56 AM
How the fuck am I just now starting this thread, almost twenty-four hours after the trade went down? I despair of this place.
I was still workshopping thread titles, but you went with ... that. Which is fine I guess.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 14, 2017, 10:12:57 AM
Quote from: Tonker on July 14, 2017, 04:21:56 AM
How the fuck am I just now starting this thread, almost twenty-four hours after the trade went down? I despair of this place.
I was still workshopping thread titles, but you went with ... that. Which is fine I guess.
It's tradition, man. You're obviously jumping ahead to the splooge thread, but I think (after my Travis Wood TRIUMPH) I've been banned from creating any more of those.
After that performance I have The Heavy playing in my head right now.
I suggest that as his lineup nickname.
Quote from: Tonker on July 15, 2017, 04:24:59 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 14, 2017, 10:12:57 AM
Quote from: Tonker on July 14, 2017, 04:21:56 AM
How the fuck am I just now starting this thread, almost twenty-four hours after the trade went down? I despair of this place.
I was still workshopping thread titles, but you went with ... that. Which is fine I guess.
It's tradition, man. You're obviously jumping ahead to the splooge thread, but I think (after my Travis Wood TRIUMPH) I've been banned from creating any more of those.
I think I'm ready for the splooge thread now.
Quote from: flannj on July 16, 2017, 02:53:56 PM
After that performance I have The Heavy playing in my head right now.
To each his own (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqrNvCD46lQ).
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational Fans
TM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 12:16:10 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
There are three things everyone in the world thinks they can do better than the person doing it...drive a cab, run a hotel and build a baseball team.
Never mind that the guy currently doing it at 1060 W. Addison St. has proven to be one of the best in the history of baseball at doing at least one of these things. But I've never seen him drive, and I've never seen his picture in any of the hotels where I've stayed.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 01:11:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 12:16:10 PM
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Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 10:19:49 AM
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Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
There are three things everyone in the world thinks they can do better than the person doing it...drive a cab, run a hotel and build a baseball team.
Never mind that the guy currently doing it at 1060 W. Addison St. has proven to be one of the best in the history of baseball at doing at least one of these things. But I've never seen him drive, and I've never seen his picture in any of the hotels where I've stayed.
Is this a thing? Is this the definitive list?
Quote from: PenFoe on July 17, 2017, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 01:11:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 12:16:10 PM
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Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
There are three things everyone in the world thinks they can do better than the person doing it...drive a cab, run a hotel and build a baseball team.
Never mind that the guy currently doing it at 1060 W. Addison St. has proven to be one of the best in the history of baseball at doing at least one of these things. But I've never seen him drive, and I've never seen his picture in any of the hotels where I've stayed.
Is this a thing? Is this the definitive list?
I mean it also leaves out "manage a baseball team", which is absurd, since history's Great Tacticians have all pined for a chance to show they know more than Joe Maddon.
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 02:12:06 PM
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Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 12:16:10 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
There are three things everyone in the world thinks they can do better than the person doing it...drive a cab, run a hotel and build a baseball team.
Never mind that the guy currently doing it at 1060 W. Addison St. has proven to be one of the best in the history of baseball at doing at least one of these things. But I've never seen him drive, and I've never seen his picture in any of the hotels where I've stayed.
Is this a thing? Is this the definitive list?
I mean it also leaves out "manage a baseball team", which is absurd, since history's Great Tacticians have all pined for a chance to show they know more than Joe Maddon.
After reading Twitter this weekend, you may want to add 'cast a TV show' to the list as well
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Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 12:16:10 PM
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Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
There are three things everyone in the world thinks they can do better than the person doing it...drive a cab, run a hotel and build a baseball team.
Never mind that the guy currently doing it at 1060 W. Addison St. has proven to be one of the best in the history of baseball at doing at least one of these things. But I've never seen him drive, and I've never seen his picture in any of the hotels where I've stayed.
Is this a thing? Is this the definitive list?
Fork is going to run Trump Hotels.
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
"You know. You all know exactly who I am. Say my name."
"You're Trooblud."
"You're goddamn right."
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 12:16:10 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
I'm still using Phil Rogers' system, which rates the Quintana trade as a -3 and therefore it was bad.
Quote from: flannj on July 17, 2017, 02:23:36 PM
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Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 10:19:49 AM
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Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
There are three things everyone in the world thinks they can do better than the person doing it...drive a cab, run a hotel and build a baseball team.
Never mind that the guy currently doing it at 1060 W. Addison St. has proven to be one of the best in the history of baseball at doing at least one of these things. But I've never seen him drive, and I've never seen his picture in any of the hotels where I've stayed.
Is this a thing? Is this the definitive list?
Fork is going to run Trump Hotels.
Rubber sheets on every bed.
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I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
There are three things everyone in the world thinks they can do better than the person doing it...drive a cab, run a hotel and build a baseball team.
Never mind that the guy currently doing it at 1060 W. Addison St. has proven to be one of the best in the history of baseball at doing at least one of these things. But I've never seen him drive, and I've never seen his picture in any of the hotels where I've stayed.
Is this a thing? Is this the definitive list?
Fork is going to run Trump Hotels.
Rubber sheets on every bed.
Complimentary piss for all international guests (except Mexicans, Muslims, and very rude Brits).
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I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
I'm still using Phil Rogers' system, which rates the Quintana trade as a -3 and therefore it was bad.
It's actually a +1 using the true Rogers system.
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I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
I'm still using Phil Rogers' system, which rates the Quintana trade as a -3 and therefore it was bad.
It's actually a +1 using the true Rogers system.
He might have been using the new bRog, which has been updated to factor in leap years.
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I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
I'm still using Phil Rogers' system, which rates the Quintana trade as a -3 and therefore it was bad.
It's actually a +1 using the true Rogers system.
He might have been using the new bRog, which has been updated to factor in leap years.
Bingo. At some point Ol' Phil hopped on the prospect bandwagon, I'm sure of it.
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I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
There are three things everyone in the world thinks they can do better than the person doing it...drive a cab, run a hotel and build a baseball team.
Never mind that the guy currently doing it at 1060 W. Addison St. has proven to be one of the best in the history of baseball at doing at least one of these things. But I've never seen him drive, and I've never seen his picture in any of the hotels where I've stayed.
Is this a thing? Is this the definitive list?
No. It is "run a restaurant", not "run a hotel".
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I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
There are three things everyone in the world thinks they can do better than the person doing it...drive a cab, run a hotel and build a baseball team.
Never mind that the guy currently doing it at 1060 W. Addison St. has proven to be one of the best in the history of baseball at doing at least one of these things. But I've never seen him drive, and I've never seen his picture in any of the hotels where I've stayed.
Is this a thing? Is this the definitive list?
No. It is "run a restaurant", not "run a hotel".
Once again Stew is right.
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I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
There are three things everyone in the world thinks they can do better than the person doing it...drive a cab, run a hotel and build a baseball team.
Never mind that the guy currently doing it at 1060 W. Addison St. has proven to be one of the best in the history of baseball at doing at least one of these things. But I've never seen him drive, and I've never seen his picture in any of the hotels where I've stayed.
Is this a thing? Is this the definitive list?
No. It is "run a restaurant", not "run a hotel".
Once again Stew is right.
So, Fork got them all wrong?
Paul Goldschmidt: A Hanging Curveball
Quote from: SKO on August 03, 2017, 03:07:07 PM
Paul Goldschmidt: A Hanging Curveball
Brandon Drury: A Hanginger Curveball
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Paul Goldschmidt: A Hanging Curveball
Brandon Drury: A Hanginger Curveball
still excited about Quintana overall but outside of the Orioles start he's been shaky. He's allowed a hard hit rate of 38% and got away with some shit vs STL and MIL that the Diamondbacks are making him pay for.
Wasn't expecting him to restart.
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Paul Goldschmidt: A Hanging Curveball
Brandon Drury: A Hanginger Curveball
still excited about Quintana overall but outside of the Orioles start he's been shaky. He's allowed a hard hit rate of 38% and got away with some shit vs STL and MIL that the Diamondbacks are making him pay for.
He's clearly a WHITE SOX DOUBLE AGENT acting on direct orders of Jerry Reinsdorf to make sure they win the trade.
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Paul Goldschmidt: A Hanging Curveball
Brandon Drury: A Hanginger Curveball
still excited about Quintana overall but outside of the Orioles start he's been shaky. He's allowed a hard hit rate of 38% and got away with some shit vs STL and MIL that the Diamondbacks are making him pay for.
You know...you don't *have* to have a take after 5 starts. He's been fine. He nearly pulled his own ass out of the fire in the first before Paul Goldschmidt happened.
And Paul Goldschmidt's apparently pretty good.
Come on, man. The Giants: they're bad.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 08, 2017, 09:31:37 PM
Come on, man. The Giants: they're bad.
Quintana was a late arrival to the 2017 Cubs, so he's still catching up on his First Inning Runs phase.
Sounds like we can pack up our expectations.
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Quote from: PenFoe on August 09, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Sounds like we can pack up our expectations.
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4.20 ERA in 5 outings kinda ignores that 4/5 have been quality starts? I mean I wasn't pleased with him getting Goldschmidt'd and he seems to be struggling with spotting his stuff early, but he's hardly been terrible.
Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2017, 10:26:20 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 09, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Sounds like we can pack up our expectations.
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4.20 ERA in 5 outings kinda ignores that 4/5 have been quality starts? I mean I wasn't pleased with him getting Goldschmidt'd and he seems to be struggling with spotting his stuff early, but he's hardly been terrible.
Máquina de inicio de calidad?
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Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2017, 10:26:20 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 09, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Sounds like we can pack up our expectations.
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4.20 ERA in 5 outings kinda ignores that 4/5 have been quality starts? I mean I wasn't pleased with him getting Goldschmidt'd and he seems to be struggling with spotting his stuff early, but he's hardly been terrible.
Máquina de inicio de calidad?
Mi tío es un fanático de las máquinas de vapor
Quote from: PenFoe on August 09, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Sounds like we can pack up our expectations.
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This did at least remind me that Rotoworld apparently still exists.
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Quote from: PenFoe on August 09, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Sounds like we can pack up our expectations.
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This did at least remind me that Rotoworld apparently still exists.
NBC Sports bought them a handful of years back and they're incorporated directly into Yahoo fantasy now.
Still getting a lot of eyes, I'd suspect.
Of course he gets owned by Hoskins in the first inning. Of course.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 25, 2017, 06:33:42 PM
Of course he gets owned by Hoskins in the first inning. Of course.
I'm crying.
7 of his 10 Cubs starts have been quality starts (1 was a 5 inning 1 ER outing in the 15-5 win over Toronto. The other two were the meltdowns). Hopefully he can just avoid meltdowns in October?
Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 08:09:13 AM
7 of his 10 Cubs starts have been quality starts (1 was a 5 inning 1 ER outing in the 15-5 win over Toronto. The other two were the meltdowns). Hopefully he can just avoid meltdowns in October?
The Cubs just need to not score when he pitches. He's used to pitching with no margin for error, as evidenced by his freakish run with the Sox of pitching well and never getting support. When the Cubs score runs he's bad.
This is a sarcastic post by the way but it does strike me as funny that he seems to pitch better when he gets no offensive support.
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Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 08:09:13 AM
7 of his 10 Cubs starts have been quality starts (1 was a 5 inning 1 ER outing in the 15-5 win over Toronto. The other two were the meltdowns). Hopefully he can just avoid meltdowns in October?
The Cubs just need to not score when he pitches. He's used to pitching with no margin for error, as evidenced by his freakish run with the Sox of pitching well and never getting support. When the Cubs score runs he's bad.
This is a sarcastic post by the way but it does strike me as funny that he seems to pitch better when he gets no offensive support.
Am I wrong, or is this also true of Wade Davis? He never seems to lock in until the game is in the balance.
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Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 08:09:13 AM
7 of his 10 Cubs starts have been quality starts (1 was a 5 inning 1 ER outing in the 15-5 win over Toronto. The other two were the meltdowns). Hopefully he can just avoid meltdowns in October?
The Cubs just need to not score when he pitches. He's used to pitching with no margin for error, as evidenced by his freakish run with the Sox of pitching well and never getting support. When the Cubs score runs he's bad.
This is a sarcastic post by the way but it does strike me as funny that he seems to pitch better when he gets no offensive support.
Am I wrong, or is this also true of Wade Davis? He never seems to lock in until the game is in the balance.
Seems to be some truth there. I can recall a couple games where he came into a non-save situation and was suddenly facing the tying/winning run at the plate. He was the motherfucking balls last night with almost no margin for error.
Not the most efficient dude in the world but now up to 8/11 Quality Starts as a Cub. 9/11 (NEVER FORGET) have been 3 ER or less. Cub ERA is 3.88, with a 3.64 FIP, which in today's offensive environment is pretty solid, and he's getting more strikeouts as a Cub than he's ever gotten before. I daresay he might be alright. If they can just get Jake back and picking up where he left off, and hang on to win this division, I'd happily matchup this rotation in a playoff series vs any other in the NL. The only major league rotation I'd take over a healthy Jake/Kyle/Jon/Q in a short series is probably Cleveland.
God damn that was great. Really sorely needed by the bullpen
Quote from: SKO on September 24, 2017, 04:25:26 PM
God damn that was great. Really sorely needed by the bullpen
Also a great way to answer after their fluke homers off Wade yesterday. You can have one win, Brewers. That's all.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 24, 2017, 06:15:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 24, 2017, 04:25:26 PM
God damn that was great. Really sorely needed by the bullpen
Also a great way to answer after their fluke homers off Wade yesterday. You can have one win, Brewers. That's all.
One Win? I thought Shaw won them the fucking World Series yesterday.
Quote from: Brownie on September 24, 2017, 06:28:49 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 24, 2017, 06:15:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 24, 2017, 04:25:26 PM
God damn that was great. Really sorely needed by the bullpen
Also a great way to answer after their fluke homers off Wade yesterday. You can have one win, Brewers. That's all.
One Win? I thought Shaw won them the fucking World Series yesterday.
Judging from the Brewers' radio call by Not Bob Uecker that I was stuck with on Sirius, the Brewers won all of the World Series, forever, and the announcer came four times.
Jose Quintana, Cub edition updated:
13 GS, 7-3, 79.2 IP, 3.50 ERA, 3.38 FIP, 1.09 WHIP, .221 BAA, 10.5 K/9, 2.37 BB/9. He's also up to 3.7 fWAR on the year which ranks him 15th among all qualified SP.
I feel bad Q is basically having his ERA tanked by a bunch of weak grounders that escaped the Elite Infield Defense that is Alex Avila/TLS/Mike Freeman/Ian Happ
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2017, 03:00:24 PM
I feel bad Q is basically having his ERA tanked by a bunch of weak grounders that escaped the Elite Infield Defense that is Alex Avila/TLS/Mike Freeman/Ian Happ
There were several plays last night where I immediately thought "Russell/Baez/Rizzo" makes that.
EDIT: except in my head, I put the inverted commas in the right place.
Quote from: Tonker on September 30, 2017, 02:39:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2017, 03:00:24 PM
I feel bad Q is basically having his ERA tanked by a bunch of weak grounders that escaped the Elite Infield Defense that is Alex Avila/TLS/Mike Freeman/Ian Happ
There were several plays last night where I immediately thought "Russell/Baez/Rizzo" makes that.
I also think that when I see other team's starting infields fail to make plays and it makes me feel great.
Quote from: CT III on September 30, 2017, 08:04:45 AM
Quote from: Tonker on September 30, 2017, 02:39:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2017, 03:00:24 PM
I feel bad Q is basically having his ERA tanked by a bunch of weak grounders that escaped the Elite Infield Defense that is Alex Avila/TLS/Mike Freeman/Ian Happ
There were several plays last night where I immediately thought "Russell/Baez/Rizzo" makes that.
I also think that when I see other team's starting infields fail to make plays and it makes me feel great.
I wonder if I will ever internalize the fact that the Cubs have solid infield defense.
Quote from: CT III on September 30, 2017, 08:04:45 AM
Quote from: Tonker on September 30, 2017, 02:39:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2017, 03:00:24 PM
I feel bad Q is basically having his ERA tanked by a bunch of weak grounders that escaped the Elite Infield Defense that is Alex Avila/TLS/Mike Freeman/Ian Happ
There were several plays last night where I immediately thought "Russell/Baez/Rizzo" makes that.
I also think that when I see other team's starting infields fail to make plays and it makes me feel great.
Watch any game involving two not-Cubs teams and you're guaranteed you'll see two plays you currently take for granted not getting made. It's fucking awesome,
Hell yeah
Q kicked ass. Welcome to the postseason, lefty.
Guessing Q throwing 15 scoreless innings in his last two trips in Milwaukee stings a lot since he'd probably be a Brewer if not for Theo
Okay it's the middle of May and his velocity is still down several ticks from last year and he's getting consistently rocked with a hard hit rate in the 40% range. I'm starting to think he's hurt.
To Jose Bautista's corpse. Jesus.
Yeah ... Q has not looked good most of the season. DO SOMETHING THEO
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2018, 02:19:17 PM
Okay it's the middle of May and his velocity is still down several ticks from last year and he's getting consistently rocked with a hard hit rate in the 40% range. I'm starting to think he's hurt.
The good news is, they're only 2 games out in spite of Darvish & Quintana pitching like trash so far.
The bad news is, they're obviously not going anywhere in the postseason if those two don't figure their shit out. Those two and Russell are my only serious concerns about this team.
Quote from: R-V on May 15, 2018, 08:53:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2018, 02:19:17 PM
Okay it's the middle of May and his velocity is still down several ticks from last year and he's getting consistently rocked with a hard hit rate in the 40% range. I'm starting to think he's hurt.
The good news is, they're only 2 games out in spite of Darvish & Quintana pitching like trash so far.
The bad news is, they're obviously not going anywhere in the postseason if those two don't figure their shit out. Those two and Russell are my only serious concerns about this team.
Yeah I mean this is probably a good enough offense and bullpen to carry them to a wildcard, but Lester's peripherals haven't been as good as his results so far and he's walking a lot of guys and not going deep into games. Chatwood obviously has his own issues. I don't even see them as the favorites in this division if they don't get at least 2-3 of the four potential "aces" this rotation is supposed to have pitching like that, right now only Kyle is holding up his end of the bargain.
I'd not be worried if Quintana looked fine and just had some bad luck like his start to the season last year with the White Sox, but his velocity and movement is down across the board on almost every pitch and worse the way he's nibbling right now indicates to me that he knows something is wrong. It's not a good sign.
Quote from: SKO on May 15, 2018, 09:07:13 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 15, 2018, 08:53:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2018, 02:19:17 PM
Okay it's the middle of May and his velocity is still down several ticks from last year and he's getting consistently rocked with a hard hit rate in the 40% range. I'm starting to think he's hurt.
The good news is, they're only 2 games out in spite of Darvish & Quintana pitching like trash so far.
The bad news is, they're obviously not going anywhere in the postseason if those two don't figure their shit out. Those two and Russell are my only serious concerns about this team.
Yeah I mean this is probably a good enough offense and bullpen to carry them to a wildcard, but Lester's peripherals haven't been as good as his results so far and he's walking a lot of guys and not going deep into games. Chatwood obviously has his own issues. I don't even see them as the favorites in this division if they don't get at least 2-3 of the four potential "aces" this rotation is supposed to have pitching like that, right now only Kyle is holding up his end of the bargain.
I'd not be worried if Quintana looked fine and just had some bad luck like his start to the season last year with the White Sox, but his velocity and movement is down across the board on almost every pitch and worse the way he's nibbling right now indicates to me that he knows something is wrong. It's not a good sign.
You know the Cubs have the second best run differential in the league, right? Not bad for a "might win the wildcard" team.
Quote from: Tonker on May 15, 2018, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 15, 2018, 09:07:13 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 15, 2018, 08:53:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2018, 02:19:17 PM
Okay it's the middle of May and his velocity is still down several ticks from last year and he's getting consistently rocked with a hard hit rate in the 40% range. I'm starting to think he's hurt.
The good news is, they're only 2 games out in spite of Darvish & Quintana pitching like trash so far.
The bad news is, they're obviously not going anywhere in the postseason if those two don't figure their shit out. Those two and Russell are my only serious concerns about this team.
Yeah I mean this is probably a good enough offense and bullpen to carry them to a wildcard, but Lester's peripherals haven't been as good as his results so far and he's walking a lot of guys and not going deep into games. Chatwood obviously has his own issues. I don't even see them as the favorites in this division if they don't get at least 2-3 of the four potential "aces" this rotation is supposed to have pitching like that, right now only Kyle is holding up his end of the bargain.
I'd not be worried if Quintana looked fine and just had some bad luck like his start to the season last year with the White Sox, but his velocity and movement is down across the board on almost every pitch and worse the way he's nibbling right now indicates to me that he knows something is wrong. It's not a good sign.
You know the Cubs have the second best run differential in the league, right? Not bad for a "might win the wildcard" team.
Atlanta leads the pack in that category and I'm not sure how much I trust run differential over a 40 game sample, but that said I don't think these Cubs are bad. I think their offense should be the best in the NL in the long run. The bullpen is fantastic. I could easily see them winning 90 games with that alone. But the rotation has some worrying trends and peripherals that make me think they may not be the elite unit we were expecting, which probably bodes ill for them over the course of a full season/in the playoffs.
I'm also probably overrating the Cardinals somewhat but their lineup is deep if not packed with stars and they have a ton of starting pitching depth and are getting Alex Reyes, who was the #1 overall prospect in baseball for a reason, in their rotation soon.
3ER or less in 7 out of his last 8 starts. 2 quality starts in a row. his ERA has dropped from a butt-ugly 5.23 to a more respectable 3.96.
It's all coming together...
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 11, 2018, 08:55:09 AM
3ER or less in 7 out of his last 8 starts. 2 quality starts in a row. his ERA has dropped from a butt-ugly 5.23 to a more respectable 3.96.
It's all coming together...
If you take out the back to back starts wherein he faced a hot as shit Atlanta offense in the middle of a bizarre snowstorm in the 14-10 game and then faced the Rockies at Coors he has a 3.50 ERA in his other 16 starts. He needs to be more efficient and go deeper into games as he's had a lot of five inning starts, but he's been effective most of the time.
Quote from: SKO on July 11, 2018, 09:20:41 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 11, 2018, 08:55:09 AM
3ER or less in 7 out of his last 8 starts. 2 quality starts in a row. his ERA has dropped from a butt-ugly 5.23 to a more respectable 3.96.
It's all coming together...
If you take out the back to back starts wherein he faced a hot as shit Atlanta offense in the middle of a bizarre snowstorm in the 14-10 game and then faced the Rockies at Coors he has a 3.50 ERA in his other 16 starts. He needs to be more efficient and go deeper into games as he's had a lot of five inning starts, but he's been effective most of the time.
The Cubs are currently 10th in the NL with 44 quality starts. It's not just a Quintana issue.
ETA: It's not a Quintana issue at all. Lester and Hendricks each have 9 QS while Q has 8. Next on the list is Mike Montgomery, who didn't start the season as a starter, with 4.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 11, 2018, 10:57:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 11, 2018, 09:20:41 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 11, 2018, 08:55:09 AM
3ER or less in 7 out of his last 8 starts. 2 quality starts in a row. his ERA has dropped from a butt-ugly 5.23 to a more respectable 3.96.
It's all coming together...
If you take out the back to back starts wherein he faced a hot as shit Atlanta offense in the middle of a bizarre snowstorm in the 14-10 game and then faced the Rockies at Coors he has a 3.50 ERA in his other 16 starts. He needs to be more efficient and go deeper into games as he's had a lot of five inning starts, but he's been effective most of the time.
The Cubs are currently 10th in the NL with 44 quality starts. It's not just a Quintana issue.
ETA: It's not a Quintana issue at all. Lester and Hendricks each have 9 QS while Q has 8. Next on the list is Mike Montgomery, who didn't start the season as a starter, with 4.
I think what you mean is that this is a feature not a bug. Over the years, Maddon (probably with data from the FO) has been much faster with pulling starters. I think it started in the 2015-2016 off-season when they said they'll limit the rotation innings.
Making sure the starters are rested when August-October arrive coupled with the 3rd time through the order data = fewer starter innings.
Quote from: Oleg on July 11, 2018, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 11, 2018, 10:57:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 11, 2018, 09:20:41 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 11, 2018, 08:55:09 AM
3ER or less in 7 out of his last 8 starts. 2 quality starts in a row. his ERA has dropped from a butt-ugly 5.23 to a more respectable 3.96.
It's all coming together...
If you take out the back to back starts wherein he faced a hot as shit Atlanta offense in the middle of a bizarre snowstorm in the 14-10 game and then faced the Rockies at Coors he has a 3.50 ERA in his other 16 starts. He needs to be more efficient and go deeper into games as he's had a lot of five inning starts, but he's been effective most of the time.
The Cubs are currently 10th in the NL with 44 quality starts. It's not just a Quintana issue.
ETA: It's not a Quintana issue at all. Lester and Hendricks each have 9 QS while Q has 8. Next on the list is Mike Montgomery, who didn't start the season as a starter, with 4.
I think what you mean is that this is a feature not a bug. Over the years, Maddon (probably with data from the FO) has been much faster with pulling starters. I think it started in the 2015-2016 off-season when they said they'll limit the rotation innings.
Making sure the starters are rested when August-October arrive coupled with the 3rd time through the order data = fewer starter innings.
I certainly don't mind limiting starter innings but I think the goal for most starters should be 6 IP, not 5. And just from watching/observing most games I don't think it's been Joe planning to pull these guys after 5 so much as he knows he has a good bullpen and he goes to them at the first sign of trouble. Which would also be fine but I do fear the bullpen struggling in the second half much as it did last year.