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Quote from: CT III on December 19, 2013, 11:15:20 AM
Also, just to make sure I'm clear on this:

Anonymous sources are telling the NY Daily News that Derrick Rose doesn't want to go through a rebuild.
Anonymous sources are telling The Score and/or Dan Bernstein that Reggie Rose is a pain in the ass.
BJ Armstrong is asshurt.
Dan Bernstein is asshurt.

None of this is confirmed, nor would it probably even have come up if Derrick Rose could actually play basketball.  What is confirmed is that Rose is under contract until 2017, the Bulls are going to have make some roster changes in the next offseason and if the past is any indication, Rose will be consulted on the roster moves.

In short, nothing to see here.

That pretty much sums it up other than the unexplained threat on Bernstein's life.

Quote from: Fork on December 19, 2013, 10:17:04 AM

Quote from: Slaky on December 19, 2013, 10:04:40 AM

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Quote from: CT III on December 19, 2013, 08:56:59 AM

Quote from: Internet Apex on December 19, 2013, 08:54:46 AM
This is the worst. Can we go back to finding out why Bernstein's days might be numbered?

Valiant effort, but this is only going to result in a string of Jewish calendar jokes by Chuck.

I keep out of the numerology areas.

I support your decision to avoid things you're not interested in.

I didn't say I wasn't interested in numerology, but it's too convoluted, even for me to attempt to follow.

I limit myself to knowing that, in Hebrew, the number 18 is also the word "Cha'i" or life.

All the 3s, 7s and 40s and all the others... no thanks.

Good shit - what else?

Rose wears 1.

That's what she said, much to her chagrin.

Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 19, 2013, 09:23:59 AM

Quote from: CT III on December 19, 2013, 08:56:59 AM

Quote from: Internet Apex on December 19, 2013, 08:54:46 AM
This is the worst. Can we go back to finding out why Bernstein's days might be numbered?

Valiant effort, but this is only going to result in a string of Jewish calendar jokes by Chuck.

I keep out of the numerology areas.

I support your decision to avoid things you're not interested in.

Quote from: Yeti on December 19, 2013, 09:04:57 AM

Quote from: Internet Apex on December 18, 2013, 04:26:03 PM

Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2013, 04:16:47 PM
A fantastic post by Slaky

When LeBron was 25 he set the entire city of Cleveland on fire and farted on it while Jim Gray masturbated. It was absolutely unforgivable.

And as dysfunctional as the Bulls can be, compared to the Knicks and Nets they're the fucking 1960's Celtics.

We get it, you're a Heat fan on a Bulls thread

This the NBA Thread, smart guy.

This is the worst. Can we go back to finding out why Bernstein's days might be numbered?

Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2013, 04:16:47 PM
That's my issue: these aren't facts, they come from his source. We know nothing about his source but clearly he feels comfortable with the info he's given.

While some of the points are vaild you've got an overeducated, affluent white dude expecting a prodigal athletic talent from a really shitty part of town who has been protected and taken care of by his family as long as he stayed on course to become the generational basketball talent he was destined to be.

Rose isn't a scholar and for Bernstein to expect him to suddenly, because he's the arbitrary age of 25, start acting like he's a worldly adult with the kind of outlook on the world that someone who went to Duke University would have is fucking absurd. The invective from Bernstein is nothing more than a sad Bulls fan who can't believe he's been "forced" again to watch another pointless Bulls season without a guy he pinned his hopes to and trumped up as a kid who gets it before he started getting hurt.

The anger seething from his words is embarrassing as hell and he should be embarrassed for publishing this piece of shit.

Also, he's clearly telling Derrick Rose to stop letting Reggie advise him because it's not in Dan Bernstein's best interests as a Bulls fan. You think Derrick Rose is going to cut ties with his brother and lifelong advisor/protector because a Bulls fan with a louder microphone than most is really annoyed that his favorite team isn't very good anymore? Reggie Rose is probably a shady weirdo but Derrick Rose isn't going to tell him to buzz off - it's his brother for Christ's sake.

If it's not obvious that this all stems back to Bernstein's unbelievable anger over Rose not coming back in time for the playoffs last season I don't even know what else to tell you.

At this point Bernstein seems to have a personal mission to paint Rose as a malcontent idiot who has nothing but contempt for the common Bulls fan and organization. And let's face it - the Bulls organization is about as dysfunctional as it gets.

When LeBron was 25 he set the entire city of Cleveland on fire and farted on it while Jim Gray masturbated. It was absolutely unforgivable.

And as dysfunctional as the Bulls can be, compared to the Knicks and Nets they're the fucking 1960's Celtics.

Quote from: flannj on December 18, 2013, 02:48:00 PM

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Quote from: Eli on December 18, 2013, 01:46:09 PM

Quote from: BH on December 18, 2013, 12:22:07 PM
Bernstein's days might be numbered.

I guess there a few generally valid points sprinkled in there, but this seems extraordinarily mean-spirited for no good reason.

THIS.

QuoteHe opts for cartilage repair that requires a longer-term recovery, and then lacks the basic understanding of how that changes the team's title trajectory.

So he shouldn't have opted for the correct procedure?

No... he shouldn't complain that the team is going to remove the pieces that were put here to help him win now and replace them with pieces that might help when he is done recovering.

So if he had the incorrect surgical procedure then he would have the right to complain?

Sort of. I mean, if he sacrificed his future for the good of this current group and they decided to dismantle it anyway, I think he'd have the right to be livid. But he understood what he was doing - that it was the right thing for his future - and that the payoff would be well down the road. So to complain (if that's what he did; I haven't seen anything concrete from him or a surrogate quote-wise) when the team makes decisions based on that same time frame is puzzling.

The question is... does he have the right to complain?

Making the correct surgical decision shouldn't play into it.

Of course he has the right to complain. This is America, dammit. He also runs the risk of looking like a moron and alienating his employer.

His correct surgery decision plays into how his complaints are received because it shows that he is thinking longterm about his own well-being and thus should not be surprised or angry or say a word when the team does the same thing. They probably want him to think big picture since they've got so much invested in him because they know they're not ready to win whether he's there this spring or not.

I think he wants to compete for a championship as soon as he comes back from this injury. People thought, or at least hoped, that he was one of the best players in the NBA and dropping him back into the mix with the current Bulls - beleaguered, injury-riddled and flawed as they are - was enough to put them into contention with Indiana and Miami and whoever else from the West. From what we saw in 2010-11 and early this year, I wasn't seeing that. It could be that the Bulls see that as well and must make whatever moves they can in another direction. This didn't work. Rose can't stay healthy. The rest of the roster is not strong enough or young enough to build around.

So to complain when you're getting 30% of the salary cap for doing nothing but rehab is a bad look, as Bernstein writes - apparently at his mortal peril.

Quote from: flannj on December 18, 2013, 02:26:06 PM

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Quote from: BH on December 18, 2013, 12:22:07 PM
Bernstein's days might be numbered.

I guess there a few generally valid points sprinkled in there, but this seems extraordinarily mean-spirited for no good reason.

THIS.

QuoteHe opts for cartilage repair that requires a longer-term recovery, and then lacks the basic understanding of how that changes the team's title trajectory.

So he shouldn't have opted for the correct procedure?

No... he shouldn't complain that the team is going to remove the pieces that were put here to help him win now and replace them with pieces that might help when he is done recovering.

So if he had the incorrect surgical procedure then he would have the right to complain?

Sort of. I mean, if he sacrificed his future for the good of this current group and they decided to dismantle it anyway, I think he'd have the right to be livid. But he understood what he was doing - that it was the right thing for his future - and that the payoff would be well down the road. So to complain (if that's what he did; I haven't seen anything concrete from him or a surrogate quote-wise) when the team makes decisions based on that same time frame is puzzling.

Quote from: flannj on December 18, 2013, 02:03:53 PM

Quote from: Eli on December 18, 2013, 01:46:09 PM

Quote from: BH on December 18, 2013, 12:22:07 PM
Bernstein's days might be numbered.

I guess there a few generally valid points sprinkled in there, but this seems extraordinarily mean-spirited for no good reason.

THIS.

QuoteHe opts for cartilage repair that requires a longer-term recovery, and then lacks the basic understanding of how that changes the team's title trajectory.

So he shouldn't have opted for the correct procedure?

No... he shouldn't complain that the team is going to remove the pieces that were put here to help him win now and replace them with pieces that might help when he is done recovering.

Quote from: BH on December 18, 2013, 12:22:07 PM
Bernstein's days might be numbered.

Why do you say that? Reggie Rose and Chief Keef going to have him killed?

Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2013, 09:37:48 AM

Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 17, 2013, 07:17:44 PM

Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 17, 2013, 06:48:43 PM
Jose Veras, a Cube.

Hope he enjoys his half-season with Chicago.

Finally our flippable asset

More like FAPPABLE ASSet! AMIRITE?!?!?!

I don't know anymore.

Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 18, 2013, 10:29:02 AM

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Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 17, 2013, 10:14:27 PM
"Bogfucker":

QuoteOne time at a place I worked my boss took his employees out for dinner and proceeded to get really drunk and tell us about a time he fucked a bog.

Like, a literal bog. He was camping in a bog and he poked his dick into a hole in the ground and fucked it and he told us this story and said it was the most profound moment of his life because it was like "making love to mother earth" and it changed his life etc.

needless to say we all called him "bogfucker" behind his back for the rest of the time I worked there.

Sometimes I think about him when I see some of the more ridiculous proclivities that the internet gives people a means to communicate about. Like people who want to marry stuffed animals or whatever. And I'm like, ok, that's weird, but at least they aren't fucking a bog and then  making their employees listen to them talk about it over dinner. At least on the internet if you want to hear about dudes fucking bogs you have to like, look that shit up.

Mother Earth is pregnant for the third time.
For ya'll have knocked her up.
I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe.
I was not offended, for I knew I had to rise above it all
or drown in my own shit.

Yes.

Affirmative.

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LEGATRON!!!!

Suck it Detroit.

First-place Chicago Bears!  What do you think, guys?  Clean sweep?

CHICAGO
12/22 at Philadelphia (8 - 6) (beat Detroit 34-20)
12/29 vs Green Bay (7 - 6 - 1) (beat Detroit 22-9, lost to Detroit 40-10)

DETROIT
12/22 vs New York Giants (5 - 9) (lost to Chicago 27-21)
12/29 at Minnesota (4 - 9 - 1) (lost to Chicago 31-30, beat Chicago 23-20 OT)

I'm excited to see Jim Schwartz get fired. I really hope they fuck up the next hire because Schwartz, while disappointing to Lions fans, is still the best thing they've had since the disappointing Wayne Fontes.

Seems like disappointing is the ceiling for the Lions. Can't say I give a fuck.

I wish there was some way they could still get a Wild Card, save his phony baloney jorb and get their ugly asses to Soldier Field for the first round. His firing could be the worst thing that happens to the Bears. But then I thought that the Rod Marinelli hiring was bad news. Mariucci as well. Sooner or later they have to get one right don't they? Don't they?

Do they?  Has the Lions front office turned over?  From what I recall, after Millen was fired, his lieutenants were basically left in place to run the team and perpetuate the Millen Brand.  Has this changed? 

This is exactly what happened. Mayhew was promoted from interim GM to full time GM because he swindled the Cowboys out of some picks in exchange for Roy E. Williams. Then thanks to him admittedly doing better than Millen at "not fucking up the #1 and #2 overall picks in consecutive years" the Lions got Stafford to play catch with Megatron and Suh to serve as the bedrock of an aggressively shitty defense and so there was a core just good enough to make Mayhew look like he knew what he was doing.

Any speculation that Mayhew could be gone along with Schwartz?

Quote from: Fork on December 17, 2013, 12:47:50 PM

Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 17, 2013, 12:42:14 PM
Fetch your pankfork, Bortles:

QuoteFormer Cub Mark DeRosa believes the team would be wise to hold on to Jeff Samardzija.

The current MLB Network analyst joined Comcast SportsNet to discuss the starting pitcher's future and the overall landscape of the MLB winter meetings.

With numerous rumors going around regarding the Cubs possibly trading Samardzija before the start of next season, Luke Stuckmeyer asked DeRosa if the Cubs should keep Samardzija. 

"Absolutely I do, I think he's what you build your team around," DeRosa said. "I watched him play football and then when he signed with the Cubs, I remember first meeting him at the Cubs convention when he got called up. His presence in the clubhouse and his presence amongst guys who were much older than him, he fit right in. This guy is a killer. I love everything about him and I'd be hard pressed to believe that the Cubs will let him walk away unless they are just totally blown away [with a trade proposal]."

DeRo doesn't care for meaningless things like "throws strikes" or "gets people out".

They're obviously friends. I don't think any fan should expect to get an objective observation on anything from a guy who spent his career politicking and making bffs with reporters hither and yon.

Quote from: Slaky on December 17, 2013, 12:47:24 PM

Quote from: R-V on December 17, 2013, 12:23:16 PM
Sounds like we will not be getting futureboners over Tanaka.

QuoteThe Cubs plan to be in the Tanaka sweepstakes, according to sources familiar with the situation, but that pursuit has been framed as a "long shot," given the new mid-market reality at Clark and Addison.

QuoteTwo industry sources with knowledge of the team's financial picture said there's no chance, predicting the Cubs will be out of the running.

Even if they could afford him why would he choose to play here?

It wouldn't make any damn sense.

For the money, for the fun and for the glory. Mostly for the money.