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Hopefully no Rashied Davis overtime heroics are needed.

Quote from: SKO on January 09, 2011, 06:42:02 PM
Hopefully no Rashied Davis overtime heroics are needed.

Rashied will be in their mouth all day. (||)

Quote from: SKO on January 09, 2011, 06:42:02 PM
Hopefully no Rashied Davis overtime heroics are needed.

Well done. A confusing inside joke lives on.

Quote from: Slaky on January 09, 2011, 08:40:46 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 09, 2011, 06:42:02 PM
Hopefully no Rashied Davis overtime heroics are needed.

Well done. A confusing inside joke lives on.

Shut up, Paul.  You're a douche. 

FIRE JERRY ANGELO! (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-playoffs-rookie-report-card.html)

QuoteOn draft day last year while I was still Director of College Scouting with the Bears, we had a lot of discussion about Starks. Three different people had graded Starks (the area scout, me and Jerry Angelo) and all three of us had high grades. Going into the draft, the running back position was not a big need because we had Matt Forte and had just signed Chester Taylor as a free agent. When we got to the 6th round and Starks was still on the board he stuck out like a sore thumb, we had to discuss him! There was another player who we also had a high grade on available. That was quarterback Dan LeFevour of Central Michigan. There was excellent discussion on the two players with some people favoring Starks and others favoring LeFevour. I was in Starks' corner. The reason being his talent, and the plan was to carry only two quarterbacks on the active roster. With Jay Cutler and Caleb Hanie under contract I did not see how LeFevour could make the team. I had watched Starks play live 4 times during his career; there was not a doubt in my mind that he would contribute to the Bears. I liked Dan LeFevour as well. He had great intangibles, is very smart, has a strong arm and was a fit for Mike Martz' offense. But under the circumstances it would be difficult for him to make the team.

As we got closer to our pick, Angelo made the decision for the Bears to draft Starks. When we drafted a player there was a protocol we followed. After the decision on who to draft was made, Cliff Stein (the Bears contract negotiator) would call the players agent and tell him we were planning on drafting his player. He would tell the agent that the wanted to get a 4-year contract with the player and wanted the contract done by a certain date. If the agent agreed then I would call the player and give him the news that the Bears were going to take him. This is exactly what happened with Starks. I was on the phone for a minute or so with Starks when Angelo walked in my office and told me he had changed his mind and was drafting LeFevour. I put Starks on hold and then said to Angelo that Stein had already talked to the agent and I had the player on the phone...we couldn't do business like that. He said he was sorry but he decided he wanted LeFevour and the card had been turned in.

I then had to tell the player (a player that I had developed a good relationship with over the previous two years) that in fact we were not drafting him. Hearing a kid go from being extremely excited to silence was not easy. It was the most embarrassing moment I had experienced while scouting.

In my mind everything is about integrity and I felt our integrity had been damaged. We had told a player and his agent that we were going to draft him and then backed out of the deal. To make amends, we promised the agent that if Starks was still available in the 7th round we would draft him. Green Bay, though, took him about 10 picks later and the rest is history.

Looking back, I have no problem with Angelo's decision to draft LeFevour. He is the General Manager and as such has final say in all football matters.

As a post script, LeFevour was released at the final cut and is now with Cincinnati and Starks ran for 123 yards on 23 carries in a playoff game. Good for you James! I'm proud of you. Good luck next week in Atlanta.

Quote from: R-V on January 11, 2011, 02:56:23 PM
FIRE JERRY ANGELO! (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-playoffs-rookie-report-card.html)

QuoteOn draft day last year while I was still Director of College Scouting with the Bears, we had a lot of discussion about Starks. Three different people had graded Starks (the area scout, me and Jerry Angelo) and all three of us had high grades. Going into the draft, the running back position was not a big need because we had Matt Forte and had just signed Chester Taylor as a free agent. When we got to the 6th round and Starks was still on the board he stuck out like a sore thumb, we had to discuss him! There was another player who we also had a high grade on available. That was quarterback Dan LeFevour of Central Michigan. There was excellent discussion on the two players with some people favoring Starks and others favoring LeFevour. I was in Starks' corner. The reason being his talent, and the plan was to carry only two quarterbacks on the active roster. With Jay Cutler and Caleb Hanie under contract I did not see how LeFevour could make the team. I had watched Starks play live 4 times during his career; there was not a doubt in my mind that he would contribute to the Bears. I liked Dan LeFevour as well. He had great intangibles, is very smart, has a strong arm and was a fit for Mike Martz' offense. But under the circumstances it would be difficult for him to make the team.

As we got closer to our pick, Angelo made the decision for the Bears to draft Starks. When we drafted a player there was a protocol we followed. After the decision on who to draft was made, Cliff Stein (the Bears contract negotiator) would call the players agent and tell him we were planning on drafting his player. He would tell the agent that the wanted to get a 4-year contract with the player and wanted the contract done by a certain date. If the agent agreed then I would call the player and give him the news that the Bears were going to take him. This is exactly what happened with Starks. I was on the phone for a minute or so with Starks when Angelo walked in my office and told me he had changed his mind and was drafting LeFevour. I put Starks on hold and then said to Angelo that Stein had already talked to the agent and I had the player on the phone...we couldn't do business like that. He said he was sorry but he decided he wanted LeFevour and the card had been turned in.

I then had to tell the player (a player that I had developed a good relationship with over the previous two years) that in fact we were not drafting him. Hearing a kid go from being extremely excited to silence was not easy. It was the most embarrassing moment I had experienced while scouting.

In my mind everything is about integrity and I felt our integrity had been damaged. We had told a player and his agent that we were going to draft him and then backed out of the deal. To make amends, we promised the agent that if Starks was still available in the 7th round we would draft him. Green Bay, though, took him about 10 picks later and the rest is history.

Looking back, I have no problem with Angelo's decision to draft LeFevour. He is the General Manager and as such has final say in all football matters.

As a post script, LeFevour was released at the final cut and is now with Cincinnati and Starks ran for 123 yards on 23 carries in a playoff game. Good for you James! I'm proud of you. Good luck next week in Atlanta.

The real mistake here was signing Chester Taylor.

Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2011, 03:02:47 PM
The real mistake here was signing Chester Taylor.

Quote from: Internet Apex on December 05, 2010, 01:04:29 PM
Chuck?

Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2011, 03:02:47 PM

Quote from: R-V on January 11, 2011, 02:56:23 PM
FIRE JERRY ANGELO! (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-playoffs-rookie-report-card.html)

QuoteOn draft day last year while I was still Director of College Scouting with the Bears, we had a lot of discussion about Starks. Three different people had graded Starks (the area scout, me and Jerry Angelo) and all three of us had high grades. Going into the draft, the running back position was not a big need because we had Matt Forte and had just signed Chester Taylor as a free agent. When we got to the 6th round and Starks was still on the board he stuck out like a sore thumb, we had to discuss him! There was another player who we also had a high grade on available. That was quarterback Dan LeFevour of Central Michigan. There was excellent discussion on the two players with some people favoring Starks and others favoring LeFevour. I was in Starks' corner. The reason being his talent, and the plan was to carry only two quarterbacks on the active roster. With Jay Cutler and Caleb Hanie under contract I did not see how LeFevour could make the team. I had watched Starks play live 4 times during his career; there was not a doubt in my mind that he would contribute to the Bears. I liked Dan LeFevour as well. He had great intangibles, is very smart, has a strong arm and was a fit for Mike Martz' offense. But under the circumstances it would be difficult for him to make the team.

As we got closer to our pick, Angelo made the decision for the Bears to draft Starks. When we drafted a player there was a protocol we followed. After the decision on who to draft was made, Cliff Stein (the Bears contract negotiator) would call the players agent and tell him we were planning on drafting his player. He would tell the agent that the wanted to get a 4-year contract with the player and wanted the contract done by a certain date. If the agent agreed then I would call the player and give him the news that the Bears were going to take him. This is exactly what happened with Starks. I was on the phone for a minute or so with Starks when Angelo walked in my office and told me he had changed his mind and was drafting LeFevour. I put Starks on hold and then said to Angelo that Stein had already talked to the agent and I had the player on the phone...we couldn't do business like that. He said he was sorry but he decided he wanted LeFevour and the card had been turned in.

I then had to tell the player (a player that I had developed a good relationship with over the previous two years) that in fact we were not drafting him. Hearing a kid go from being extremely excited to silence was not easy. It was the most embarrassing moment I had experienced while scouting.

In my mind everything is about integrity and I felt our integrity had been damaged. We had told a player and his agent that we were going to draft him and then backed out of the deal. To make amends, we promised the agent that if Starks was still available in the 7th round we would draft him. Green Bay, though, took him about 10 picks later and the rest is history.

Looking back, I have no problem with Angelo's decision to draft LeFevour. He is the General Manager and as such has final say in all football matters.

As a post script, LeFevour was released at the final cut and is now with Cincinnati and Starks ran for 123 yards on 23 carries in a playoff game. Good for you James! I'm proud of you. Good luck next week in Atlanta.

The real mistake here was signing Chester Taylor.

Ron Turner would have made Chester Taylor a star.

Quote from: BH on January 11, 2011, 03:29:43 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2011, 03:02:47 PM

Quote from: R-V on January 11, 2011, 02:56:23 PM
FIRE JERRY ANGELO! (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-playoffs-rookie-report-card.html)

QuoteOn draft day last year while I was still Director of College Scouting with the Bears, we had a lot of discussion about Starks. Three different people had graded Starks (the area scout, me and Jerry Angelo) and all three of us had high grades. Going into the draft, the running back position was not a big need because we had Matt Forte and had just signed Chester Taylor as a free agent. When we got to the 6th round and Starks was still on the board he stuck out like a sore thumb, we had to discuss him! There was another player who we also had a high grade on available. That was quarterback Dan LeFevour of Central Michigan. There was excellent discussion on the two players with some people favoring Starks and others favoring LeFevour. I was in Starks' corner. The reason being his talent, and the plan was to carry only two quarterbacks on the active roster. With Jay Cutler and Caleb Hanie under contract I did not see how LeFevour could make the team. I had watched Starks play live 4 times during his career; there was not a doubt in my mind that he would contribute to the Bears. I liked Dan LeFevour as well. He had great intangibles, is very smart, has a strong arm and was a fit for Mike Martz' offense. But under the circumstances it would be difficult for him to make the team.

As we got closer to our pick, Angelo made the decision for the Bears to draft Starks. When we drafted a player there was a protocol we followed. After the decision on who to draft was made, Cliff Stein (the Bears contract negotiator) would call the players agent and tell him we were planning on drafting his player. He would tell the agent that the wanted to get a 4-year contract with the player and wanted the contract done by a certain date. If the agent agreed then I would call the player and give him the news that the Bears were going to take him. This is exactly what happened with Starks. I was on the phone for a minute or so with Starks when Angelo walked in my office and told me he had changed his mind and was drafting LeFevour. I put Starks on hold and then said to Angelo that Stein had already talked to the agent and I had the player on the phone...we couldn't do business like that. He said he was sorry but he decided he wanted LeFevour and the card had been turned in.

I then had to tell the player (a player that I had developed a good relationship with over the previous two years) that in fact we were not drafting him. Hearing a kid go from being extremely excited to silence was not easy. It was the most embarrassing moment I had experienced while scouting.

In my mind everything is about integrity and I felt our integrity had been damaged. We had told a player and his agent that we were going to draft him and then backed out of the deal. To make amends, we promised the agent that if Starks was still available in the 7th round we would draft him. Green Bay, though, took him about 10 picks later and the rest is history.

Looking back, I have no problem with Angelo's decision to draft LeFevour. He is the General Manager and as such has final say in all football matters.

As a post script, LeFevour was released at the final cut and is now with Cincinnati and Starks ran for 123 yards on 23 carries in a playoff game. Good for you James! I'm proud of you. Good luck next week in Atlanta.

The real mistake here was signing Chester Taylor.

Ron Turner would have made Chester Taylor a star.

Biggs isn't saying. He's just saying. (http://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/24592994157989888)

QuoteNot saying Ron Turner was the goods as Bears OC, but I do know they didn't finish 30th in NFL under him like they did this season.

Maybe Turner used to go out for cocoa with Biggsy and Tim Shaw. Speaking of Shaw - he had 29 tackles this year AND a forced fumble. The Bears SUPPOSED special teams ace Corey Graham only had 23 tackles and ZERO. FORCED. FUMBLES. Another Angelo blunder!

Quote from: R-V on January 11, 2011, 03:35:12 PM

Quote from: BH on January 11, 2011, 03:29:43 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2011, 03:02:47 PM

Quote from: R-V on January 11, 2011, 02:56:23 PM
FIRE JERRY ANGELO! (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-playoffs-rookie-report-card.html)

QuoteOn draft day last year while I was still Director of College Scouting with the Bears, we had a lot of discussion about Starks. Three different people had graded Starks (the area scout, me and Jerry Angelo) and all three of us had high grades. Going into the draft, the running back position was not a big need because we had Matt Forte and had just signed Chester Taylor as a free agent. When we got to the 6th round and Starks was still on the board he stuck out like a sore thumb, we had to discuss him! There was another player who we also had a high grade on available. That was quarterback Dan LeFevour of Central Michigan. There was excellent discussion on the two players with some people favoring Starks and others favoring LeFevour. I was in Starks' corner. The reason being his talent, and the plan was to carry only two quarterbacks on the active roster. With Jay Cutler and Caleb Hanie under contract I did not see how LeFevour could make the team. I had watched Starks play live 4 times during his career; there was not a doubt in my mind that he would contribute to the Bears. I liked Dan LeFevour as well. He had great intangibles, is very smart, has a strong arm and was a fit for Mike Martz' offense. But under the circumstances it would be difficult for him to make the team.

As we got closer to our pick, Angelo made the decision for the Bears to draft Starks. When we drafted a player there was a protocol we followed. After the decision on who to draft was made, Cliff Stein (the Bears contract negotiator) would call the players agent and tell him we were planning on drafting his player. He would tell the agent that the wanted to get a 4-year contract with the player and wanted the contract done by a certain date. If the agent agreed then I would call the player and give him the news that the Bears were going to take him. This is exactly what happened with Starks. I was on the phone for a minute or so with Starks when Angelo walked in my office and told me he had changed his mind and was drafting LeFevour. I put Starks on hold and then said to Angelo that Stein had already talked to the agent and I had the player on the phone...we couldn't do business like that. He said he was sorry but he decided he wanted LeFevour and the card had been turned in.

I then had to tell the player (a player that I had developed a good relationship with over the previous two years) that in fact we were not drafting him. Hearing a kid go from being extremely excited to silence was not easy. It was the most embarrassing moment I had experienced while scouting.

In my mind everything is about integrity and I felt our integrity had been damaged. We had told a player and his agent that we were going to draft him and then backed out of the deal. To make amends, we promised the agent that if Starks was still available in the 7th round we would draft him. Green Bay, though, took him about 10 picks later and the rest is history.

Looking back, I have no problem with Angelo's decision to draft LeFevour. He is the General Manager and as such has final say in all football matters.

As a post script, LeFevour was released at the final cut and is now with Cincinnati and Starks ran for 123 yards on 23 carries in a playoff game. Good for you James! I'm proud of you. Good luck next week in Atlanta.

The real mistake here was signing Chester Taylor.

Ron Turner would have made Chester Taylor a star.

Biggs isn't saying. He's just saying. (http://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/24592994157989888)

QuoteNot saying Ron Turner was the goods as Bears OC, but I do know they didn't finish 30th in NFL under him like they did this season.

Maybe Turner used to go out for cocoa with Biggsy and Tim Shaw. Speaking of Shaw - he had 29 tackles this year AND a forced fumble. The Bears SUPPOSED special teams ace Corey Graham only had 23 tackles and ZERO. FORCED. FUMBLES. Another Angelo blunder!

Turner had to go. He took away jay cutler's scholarship at Illinois.

Quote from: BH on January 11, 2011, 03:38:21 PM

Quote from: R-V on January 11, 2011, 03:35:12 PM

Quote from: BH on January 11, 2011, 03:29:43 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2011, 03:02:47 PM

Quote from: R-V on January 11, 2011, 02:56:23 PM
FIRE JERRY ANGELO! (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-playoffs-rookie-report-card.html)

QuoteOn draft day last year while I was still Director of College Scouting with the Bears, we had a lot of discussion about Starks. Three different people had graded Starks (the area scout, me and Jerry Angelo) and all three of us had high grades. Going into the draft, the running back position was not a big need because we had Matt Forte and had just signed Chester Taylor as a free agent. When we got to the 6th round and Starks was still on the board he stuck out like a sore thumb, we had to discuss him! There was another player who we also had a high grade on available. That was quarterback Dan LeFevour of Central Michigan. There was excellent discussion on the two players with some people favoring Starks and others favoring LeFevour. I was in Starks' corner. The reason being his talent, and the plan was to carry only two quarterbacks on the active roster. With Jay Cutler and Caleb Hanie under contract I did not see how LeFevour could make the team. I had watched Starks play live 4 times during his career; there was not a doubt in my mind that he would contribute to the Bears. I liked Dan LeFevour as well. He had great intangibles, is very smart, has a strong arm and was a fit for Mike Martz' offense. But under the circumstances it would be difficult for him to make the team.

As we got closer to our pick, Angelo made the decision for the Bears to draft Starks. When we drafted a player there was a protocol we followed. After the decision on who to draft was made, Cliff Stein (the Bears contract negotiator) would call the players agent and tell him we were planning on drafting his player. He would tell the agent that the wanted to get a 4-year contract with the player and wanted the contract done by a certain date. If the agent agreed then I would call the player and give him the news that the Bears were going to take him. This is exactly what happened with Starks. I was on the phone for a minute or so with Starks when Angelo walked in my office and told me he had changed his mind and was drafting LeFevour. I put Starks on hold and then said to Angelo that Stein had already talked to the agent and I had the player on the phone...we couldn't do business like that. He said he was sorry but he decided he wanted LeFevour and the card had been turned in.

I then had to tell the player (a player that I had developed a good relationship with over the previous two years) that in fact we were not drafting him. Hearing a kid go from being extremely excited to silence was not easy. It was the most embarrassing moment I had experienced while scouting.

In my mind everything is about integrity and I felt our integrity had been damaged. We had told a player and his agent that we were going to draft him and then backed out of the deal. To make amends, we promised the agent that if Starks was still available in the 7th round we would draft him. Green Bay, though, took him about 10 picks later and the rest is history.

Looking back, I have no problem with Angelo's decision to draft LeFevour. He is the General Manager and as such has final say in all football matters.

As a post script, LeFevour was released at the final cut and is now with Cincinnati and Starks ran for 123 yards on 23 carries in a playoff game. Good for you James! I'm proud of you. Good luck next week in Atlanta.

The real mistake here was signing Chester Taylor.

Ron Turner would have made Chester Taylor a star.

Biggs isn't saying. He's just saying. (http://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/24592994157989888)

QuoteNot saying Ron Turner was the goods as Bears OC, but I do know they didn't finish 30th in NFL under him like they did this season.

Maybe Turner used to go out for cocoa with Biggsy and Tim Shaw. Speaking of Shaw - he had 29 tackles this year AND a forced fumble. The Bears SUPPOSED special teams ace Corey Graham only had 23 tackles and ZERO. FORCED. FUMBLES. Another Angelo blunder!

Turner had to go. He took away jay cutler's scholarship at Illinois.

Turner had to go. He converted Kelvin Hayden into a DB and if not for that, maybe the Bears lose Super Bowl XLI 22-17.

QuoteTurner had to go. He converted Kelvin Hayden into a DB and if not for that, maybe the Bears lose Super Bowl XLI 22-17.

I've always wondered what Turner was thinking when that play happened. Had he just left him at wideout Jon Beutjer would have destroyed his draft stock and Rex probably throws that ball for a TD or, well, to really any other DB that was in the general vicinity of the sideline.

Also, the very fact that Martz's offense adapted and improved throughout the second half of the season makes him better than Turner. Turner was going to use the power run game and the play action pass, effectiveness be damned. Martz is far from perfect, but that overall ranking in yardage is still hurt by the absolutely anemic stats they were posting before the bye.

Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2011, 04:00:18 PM

QuoteTurner had to go. He converted Kelvin Hayden into a DB and if not for that, maybe the Bears lose Super Bowl XLI 22-17.

I've always wondered what Turner was thinking when that play happened. Had he just left him at wideout Jon Beutjer would have destroyed his draft stock and Rex probably throws that ball for a TD or, well, to really any other DB that was in the general vicinity of the sideline.

I like your way of thinking. Bears win the Super Bowl 24-22 and Peyton Manning retires three years later unable to cope with being outdueled by Rex Grossman, humiliated by his desperation pass to Dallas Clark late in the game getting picked off by Hunter Hillenmeyer to seal the game, and ultimately forced to suffer the indignity of having new coach Josh McDaniels attempt to trade for Matt Cassell before being forced to settle on Brett Favre.

Quote from: Brownie on January 11, 2011, 05:21:02 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2011, 04:00:18 PM

QuoteTurner had to go. He converted Kelvin Hayden into a DB and if not for that, maybe the Bears lose Super Bowl XLI 22-17.

I've always wondered what Turner was thinking when that play happened. Had he just left him at wideout Jon Beutjer would have destroyed his draft stock and Rex probably throws that ball for a TD or, well, to really any other DB that was in the general vicinity of the sideline.

I like your way of thinking. Bears win the Super Bowl 24-22 and Peyton Manning retires three years later unable to cope with being outdueled by Rex Grossman, humiliated by his desperation pass to Dallas Clark late in the game getting picked off by Hunter Hillenmeyer to seal the game, and ultimately forced to suffer the indignity of having new coach Josh McDaniels attempt to trade for Matt Cassell before being forced to settle on Brett Favre.

Meanwhile, Rex, having won the Superbowl and silenced his critics, flips Chicago the bird, retires early, and starts a very successful career as a rapper and adult film star.

Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2011, 03:02:47 PM

Quote from: R-V on January 11, 2011, 02:56:23 PM
FIRE JERRY ANGELO! (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-playoffs-rookie-report-card.html)

QuoteOn draft day last year while I was still Director of College Scouting with the Bears, we had a lot of discussion about Starks. Three different people had graded Starks (the area scout, me and Jerry Angelo) and all three of us had high grades. Going into the draft, the running back position was not a big need because we had Matt Forte and had just signed Chester Taylor as a free agent. When we got to the 6th round and Starks was still on the board he stuck out like a sore thumb, we had to discuss him! There was another player who we also had a high grade on available. That was quarterback Dan LeFevour of Central Michigan. There was excellent discussion on the two players with some people favoring Starks and others favoring LeFevour. I was in Starks' corner. The reason being his talent, and the plan was to carry only two quarterbacks on the active roster. With Jay Cutler and Caleb Hanie under contract I did not see how LeFevour could make the team. I had watched Starks play live 4 times during his career; there was not a doubt in my mind that he would contribute to the Bears. I liked Dan LeFevour as well. He had great intangibles, is very smart, has a strong arm and was a fit for Mike Martz' offense. But under the circumstances it would be difficult for him to make the team.

As we got closer to our pick, Angelo made the decision for the Bears to draft Starks. When we drafted a player there was a protocol we followed. After the decision on who to draft was made, Cliff Stein (the Bears contract negotiator) would call the players agent and tell him we were planning on drafting his player. He would tell the agent that the wanted to get a 4-year contract with the player and wanted the contract done by a certain date. If the agent agreed then I would call the player and give him the news that the Bears were going to take him. This is exactly what happened with Starks. I was on the phone for a minute or so with Starks when Angelo walked in my office and told me he had changed his mind and was drafting LeFevour. I put Starks on hold and then said to Angelo that Stein had already talked to the agent and I had the player on the phone...we couldn't do business like that. He said he was sorry but he decided he wanted LeFevour and the card had been turned in.

I then had to tell the player (a player that I had developed a good relationship with over the previous two years) that in fact we were not drafting him. Hearing a kid go from being extremely excited to silence was not easy. It was the most embarrassing moment I had experienced while scouting.

In my mind everything is about integrity and I felt our integrity had been damaged. We had told a player and his agent that we were going to draft him and then backed out of the deal. To make amends, we promised the agent that if Starks was still available in the 7th round we would draft him. Green Bay, though, took him about 10 picks later and the rest is history.

Looking back, I have no problem with Angelo's decision to draft LeFevour. He is the General Manager and as such has final say in all football matters.

As a post script, LeFevour was released at the final cut and is now with Cincinnati and Starks ran for 123 yards on 23 carries in a playoff game. Good for you James! I'm proud of you. Good luck next week in Atlanta.

The real mistake here was signing Chester Taylor. Todd Collins

Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2011, 08:16:13 PM

Quote from: Brownie on January 11, 2011, 05:21:02 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2011, 04:00:18 PM

QuoteTurner had to go. He converted Kelvin Hayden into a DB and if not for that, maybe the Bears lose Super Bowl XLI 22-17.

I've always wondered what Turner was thinking when that play happened. Had he just left him at wideout Jon Beutjer would have destroyed his draft stock and Rex probably throws that ball for a TD or, well, to really any other DB that was in the general vicinity of the sideline.

I like your way of thinking. Bears win the Super Bowl 24-22 and Peyton Manning retires three years later unable to cope with being outdueled by Rex Grossman, humiliated by his desperation pass to Dallas Clark late in the game getting picked off by Hunter Hillenmeyer to seal the game, and ultimately forced to suffer the indignity of having new coach Josh McDaniels attempt to trade for Matt Cassell before being forced to settle on Brett Favre.

Meanwhile, Rex, having won the Superbowl and silenced his critics, flips Chicago the bird, retires early, and starts a very successful career as a rapper and adult film star.

And Jake Utler goes on to a dozen AFC Pro Bowls as Pat Bowlen spares no expense to lure Lovie Smith to Denver.

Quote from: Brownie on January 11, 2011, 09:53:10 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2011, 08:16:13 PM

Quote from: Brownie on January 11, 2011, 05:21:02 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2011, 04:00:18 PM

QuoteTurner had to go. He converted Kelvin Hayden into a DB and if not for that, maybe the Bears lose Super Bowl XLI 22-17.

I've always wondered what Turner was thinking when that play happened. Had he just left him at wideout Jon Beutjer would have destroyed his draft stock and Rex probably throws that ball for a TD or, well, to really any other DB that was in the general vicinity of the sideline.

I like your way of thinking. Bears win the Super Bowl 24-22 and Peyton Manning retires three years later unable to cope with being outdueled by Rex Grossman, humiliated by his desperation pass to Dallas Clark late in the game getting picked off by Hunter Hillenmeyer to seal the game, and ultimately forced to suffer the indignity of having new coach Josh McDaniels attempt to trade for Matt Cassell before being forced to settle on Brett Favre.

Meanwhile, Rex, having won the Superbowl and silenced his critics, flips Chicago the bird, retires early, and starts a very successful career as a rapper and adult film star.

And Jake Utler goes on to a dozen AFC Pro Bowls as Pat Bowlen spares no expense to lure Lovie Smith to Denver.

And BC moves to Cheyenne to cover the Broncos as a beat writer.

And on the eve of the playoffs, Cutler continues to ingratiate himself into my heart (even though he wouldn't give a fuck about that) by making absolutely no secret of the fact that he doesn't give a flying fuck about the media:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0113-haugh-bears-chicago--20110112,0,1318518.column Here David Haugh says he lacks intensity.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/sports/nfl/bears/rick-reilly-espn-bears-jay-cutler-quarterback-20110112 Rick Reilly, humorless hack, says the following: "He seems like he's wearing sandpaper underwear. For a guy from Santa Claus, Indiana, he's the least jolly person I've ever met," Reilly said. "He doesn't care what the public thinks of him. The public around the country doesn't know him and doesn't like him."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/01/jay_cutler_under_the_media_mic.html Here Reilly pisses off Greg Olsen.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25256837137833984 Zach Zaidman says the questions are stupid.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25277061929111552 Olin Kreutz does not tolerate bullshit.

And finally, when Rick Morrissey is making sense, you've got the wrong conversation:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/3281297-419/cutler-image-guy-jay-everyone.html "In the end, though, if it's a choice between a nice quarterback who doesn't win and a dour one who does win, we'll take dour every time. What is it Al Davis says? Just win, baby. That's all."

I'm more and more beginning to hope that Jay Cutler is just every much the asshole people says he is, and that his success on the field will gall them for years.

When Reno Hightower was a prick, he was the best QB in Kern County.

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 08:23:35 AM
And on the eve of the playoffs, Cutler continues to ingratiate himself into my heart (even though he wouldn't give a fuck about that) by making absolutely no secret of the fact that he doesn't give a flying fuck about the media:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0113-haugh-bears-chicago--20110112,0,1318518.column Here David Haugh says he lacks intensity.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/sports/nfl/bears/rick-reilly-espn-bears-jay-cutler-quarterback-20110112 Rick Reilly, humorless hack, says the following: "He seems like he's wearing sandpaper underwear. For a guy from Santa Claus, Indiana, he's the least jolly person I've ever met," Reilly said. "He doesn't care what the public thinks of him. The public around the country doesn't know him and doesn't like him."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/01/jay_cutler_under_the_media_mic.html Here Reilly pisses off Greg Olsen.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25256837137833984 Zach Zaidman says the questions are stupid.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25277061929111552 Olin Kreutz does not tolerate bullshit.

And finally, when Rick Morrissey is making sense, you've got the wrong conversation:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/3281297-419/cutler-image-guy-jay-everyone.html "In the end, though, if it's a choice between a nice quarterback who doesn't win and a dour one who does win, we'll take dour every time. What is it Al Davis says? Just win, baby. That's all."

I'm more and more beginning to hope that Jay Cutler is just every much the asshole people says he is, and that his success on the field will gall them for years.

I don't think he is an asshole, I just think he is smart enough to know that the media sucks and will turn on him whether he treats them well or like shit. I like the way he is doing it now.

Quote from: Waco Kid on January 13, 2011, 08:41:25 AM

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 08:23:35 AM
And on the eve of the playoffs, Cutler continues to ingratiate himself into my heart (even though he wouldn't give a fuck about that) by making absolutely no secret of the fact that he doesn't give a flying fuck about the media:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0113-haugh-bears-chicago--20110112,0,1318518.column Here David Haugh says he lacks intensity.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/sports/nfl/bears/rick-reilly-espn-bears-jay-cutler-quarterback-20110112 Rick Reilly, humorless hack, says the following: "He seems like he's wearing sandpaper underwear. For a guy from Santa Claus, Indiana, he's the least jolly person I've ever met," Reilly said. "He doesn't care what the public thinks of him. The public around the country doesn't know him and doesn't like him."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/01/jay_cutler_under_the_media_mic.html Here Reilly pisses off Greg Olsen.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25256837137833984 Zach Zaidman says the questions are stupid.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25277061929111552 Olin Kreutz does not tolerate bullshit.

And finally, when Rick Morrissey is making sense, you've got the wrong conversation:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/3281297-419/cutler-image-guy-jay-everyone.html "In the end, though, if it's a choice between a nice quarterback who doesn't win and a dour one who does win, we'll take dour every time. What is it Al Davis says? Just win, baby. That's all."

I'm more and more beginning to hope that Jay Cutler is just every much the asshole people says he is, and that his success on the field will gall them for years.

I don't think he is an asshole, I just think he is smart enough to know that the media sucks and will turn on him whether he treats them well or like shit. I like the way he is doing it now.

That too.

Quote from: Waco Kid on January 13, 2011, 08:41:25 AM

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 08:23:35 AM
And on the eve of the playoffs, Cutler continues to ingratiate himself into my heart (even though he wouldn't give a fuck about that) by making absolutely no secret of the fact that he doesn't give a flying fuck about the media:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0113-haugh-bears-chicago--20110112,0,1318518.column Here David Haugh says he lacks intensity.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/sports/nfl/bears/rick-reilly-espn-bears-jay-cutler-quarterback-20110112 Rick Reilly, humorless hack, says the following: "He seems like he's wearing sandpaper underwear. For a guy from Santa Claus, Indiana, he's the least jolly person I've ever met," Reilly said. "He doesn't care what the public thinks of him. The public around the country doesn't know him and doesn't like him."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/01/jay_cutler_under_the_media_mic.html Here Reilly pisses off Greg Olsen.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25256837137833984 Zach Zaidman says the questions are stupid.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25277061929111552 Olin Kreutz does not tolerate bullshit.

And finally, when Rick Morrissey is making sense, you've got the wrong conversation:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/3281297-419/cutler-image-guy-jay-everyone.html "In the end, though, if it's a choice between a nice quarterback who doesn't win and a dour one who does win, we'll take dour every time. What is it Al Davis says? Just win, baby. That's all."

I'm more and more beginning to hope that Jay Cutler is just every much the asshole people says he is, and that his success on the field will gall them for years.

I don't think he is an asshole, I just think he is smart enough to know that the media sucks and will turn on him whether he treats them well or like shit. I like the way he is doing it now.

I think he's probably kind of an asshole and kinda douchey. Which means he's got a lot in common with the denizens of Desipioland. I hope the Bears win the Super Bowl and Kreutz puts Reilly in a headlock so Cutler can fart in his face.

Quote from: R-V on January 13, 2011, 08:48:02 AM

Quote from: Waco Kid on January 13, 2011, 08:41:25 AM

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 08:23:35 AM
And on the eve of the playoffs, Cutler continues to ingratiate himself into my heart (even though he wouldn't give a fuck about that) by making absolutely no secret of the fact that he doesn't give a flying fuck about the media:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0113-haugh-bears-chicago--20110112,0,1318518.column Here David Haugh says he lacks intensity.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/sports/nfl/bears/rick-reilly-espn-bears-jay-cutler-quarterback-20110112 Rick Reilly, humorless hack, says the following: "He seems like he's wearing sandpaper underwear. For a guy from Santa Claus, Indiana, he's the least jolly person I've ever met," Reilly said. "He doesn't care what the public thinks of him. The public around the country doesn't know him and doesn't like him."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/01/jay_cutler_under_the_media_mic.html Here Reilly pisses off Greg Olsen.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25256837137833984 Zach Zaidman says the questions are stupid.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25277061929111552 Olin Kreutz does not tolerate bullshit.

And finally, when Rick Morrissey is making sense, you've got the wrong conversation:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/3281297-419/cutler-image-guy-jay-everyone.html "In the end, though, if it's a choice between a nice quarterback who doesn't win and a dour one who does win, we'll take dour every time. What is it Al Davis says? Just win, baby. That's all."

I'm more and more beginning to hope that Jay Cutler is just every much the asshole people says he is, and that his success on the field will gall them for years.

I don't think he is an asshole, I just think he is smart enough to know that the media sucks and will turn on him whether he treats them well or like shit. I like the way he is doing it now.

I think he's probably kind of an asshole and kinda douchey. Which means he's got a lot in common with the denizens of Desipioland. I hope the Bears win the Super Bowl and Kreutz puts Reilly in a headlock so Cutler can fart in his face.

I think he's a cocky sonofabitch who hates losing like it's cancer and looks like he wants to set the entire stadium on fire whenever he gets sacked or throw an interception. I can relate to that, so I appreciate it. I also think that if "intangibles" matter at all, it's in his relationship with his teammates, and other than one comment Urlacher may or may not have said to Bobby fucking Wade before he even met Jay Cutler they seem to support him. He's got the entire organization behind him 100%, so that alone should keep him from the Jeff George comparison that everyone likes to make. Because George's attitude did not affect his on-field play, and neither does Cutler. The only time that "chemistry" shit really matters is if you get a coach and a front office who get tired of it and decide to toss the guy. Cutler's never shown anything with anyone other than Josh McDaniels that would hint at a problem like that, and I think it's safe to say by now that McDaniels was more of a problem than Jay.

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 08:52:21 AM

Quote from: R-V on January 13, 2011, 08:48:02 AM

Quote from: Waco Kid on January 13, 2011, 08:41:25 AM

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 08:23:35 AM
And on the eve of the playoffs, Cutler continues to ingratiate himself into my heart (even though he wouldn't give a fuck about that) by making absolutely no secret of the fact that he doesn't give a flying fuck about the media:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0113-haugh-bears-chicago--20110112,0,1318518.column Here David Haugh says he lacks intensity.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/sports/nfl/bears/rick-reilly-espn-bears-jay-cutler-quarterback-20110112 Rick Reilly, humorless hack, says the following: "He seems like he's wearing sandpaper underwear. For a guy from Santa Claus, Indiana, he's the least jolly person I've ever met," Reilly said. "He doesn't care what the public thinks of him. The public around the country doesn't know him and doesn't like him."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/01/jay_cutler_under_the_media_mic.html Here Reilly pisses off Greg Olsen.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25256837137833984 Zach Zaidman says the questions are stupid.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25277061929111552 Olin Kreutz does not tolerate bullshit.

And finally, when Rick Morrissey is making sense, you've got the wrong conversation:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/3281297-419/cutler-image-guy-jay-everyone.html "In the end, though, if it's a choice between a nice quarterback who doesn't win and a dour one who does win, we'll take dour every time. What is it Al Davis says? Just win, baby. That's all."

I'm more and more beginning to hope that Jay Cutler is just every much the asshole people says he is, and that his success on the field will gall them for years.

I don't think he is an asshole, I just think he is smart enough to know that the media sucks and will turn on him whether he treats them well or like shit. I like the way he is doing it now.

I think he's probably kind of an asshole and kinda douchey. Which means he's got a lot in common with the denizens of Desipioland. I hope the Bears win the Super Bowl and Kreutz puts Reilly in a headlock so Cutler can fart in his face.

I think he's a cocky sonofabitch who hates losing like it's cancer and looks like he wants to set the entire stadium on fire whenever he gets sacked or throw an interception. I can relate to that, so I appreciate it. I also think that if "intangibles" matter at all, it's in his relationship with his teammates, and other than one comment Urlacher may or may not have said to Bobby fucking Wade before he even met Jay Cutler they seem to support him. He's got the entire organization behind him 100%, so that alone should keep him from the Jeff George comparison that everyone likes to make. Because George's attitude did not affect his on-field play, and neither does Cutler. The only time that "chemistry" shit really matters is if you get a coach and a front office who get tired of it and decide to toss the guy. Cutler's never shown anything with anyone other than Josh McDaniels that would hint at a problem like that, and I think it's safe to say by now that McDaniels was more of a problem than Jay.

If he hates losing so much, why does he lose all the time?  He's a loser.

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 08:52:21 AM

Quote from: R-V on January 13, 2011, 08:48:02 AM

Quote from: Waco Kid on January 13, 2011, 08:41:25 AM

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 08:23:35 AM
And on the eve of the playoffs, Cutler continues to ingratiate himself into my heart (even though he wouldn't give a fuck about that) by making absolutely no secret of the fact that he doesn't give a flying fuck about the media:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0113-haugh-bears-chicago--20110112,0,1318518.column Here David Haugh says he lacks intensity.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/sports/nfl/bears/rick-reilly-espn-bears-jay-cutler-quarterback-20110112 Rick Reilly, humorless hack, says the following: "He seems like he's wearing sandpaper underwear. For a guy from Santa Claus, Indiana, he's the least jolly person I've ever met," Reilly said. "He doesn't care what the public thinks of him. The public around the country doesn't know him and doesn't like him."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/01/jay_cutler_under_the_media_mic.html Here Reilly pisses off Greg Olsen.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25256837137833984 Zach Zaidman says the questions are stupid.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25277061929111552 Olin Kreutz does not tolerate bullshit.

And finally, when Rick Morrissey is making sense, you've got the wrong conversation:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/3281297-419/cutler-image-guy-jay-everyone.html "In the end, though, if it's a choice between a nice quarterback who doesn't win and a dour one who does win, we'll take dour every time. What is it Al Davis says? Just win, baby. That's all."

I'm more and more beginning to hope that Jay Cutler is just every much the asshole people says he is, and that his success on the field will gall them for years.

I don't think he is an asshole, I just think he is smart enough to know that the media sucks and will turn on him whether he treats them well or like shit. I like the way he is doing it now.

I think he's probably kind of an asshole and kinda douchey. Which means he's got a lot in common with the denizens of Desipioland. I hope the Bears win the Super Bowl and Kreutz puts Reilly in a headlock so Cutler can fart in his face.

I think he's a cocky sonofabitch who hates losing like it's cancer and looks like he wants to set the entire stadium on fire whenever he gets sacked or throw an interception. I can relate to that, so I appreciate it. I also think that if "intangibles" matter at all, it's in his relationship with his teammates, and other than one comment Urlacher may or may not have said to Bobby fucking Wade before he even met Jay Cutler they seem to support him. He's got the entire organization behind him 100%, so that alone should keep him from the Jeff George comparison that everyone likes to make. Because George's attitude did not affect his on-field play, and neither does Cutler. The only time that "chemistry" shit really matters is if you get a coach and a front office who get tired of it and decide to toss the guy. Cutler's never shown anything with anyone other than Josh McDaniels that would hint at a problem like that, and I think it's safe to say by now that McDaniels was more of a problem than Jay.

Typical media response when dealing with a player that isn't an easy interview. Brand him as a jerk and make that your story.
Because to actually write something that would be worth reading would require effort and a bit of talent.
I don't care if he's a jerk or not, and I'm certainly not going take to heart the opinion of some dipshit reporter.
What I do care about is that he's really good at being the quarterback of the Bears.

But what matters even more is that last night I won a pair of tickets to Sundays game.
Frozen, drunk, screaming at the top of his lungs flannj at Soldier Field.

Fuck.
Yeah.

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 08:52:21 AM

Quote from: R-V on January 13, 2011, 08:48:02 AM

Quote from: Waco Kid on January 13, 2011, 08:41:25 AM

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 08:23:35 AM
And on the eve of the playoffs, Cutler continues to ingratiate himself into my heart (even though he wouldn't give a fuck about that) by making absolutely no secret of the fact that he doesn't give a flying fuck about the media:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0113-haugh-bears-chicago--20110112,0,1318518.column Here David Haugh says he lacks intensity.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/sports/nfl/bears/rick-reilly-espn-bears-jay-cutler-quarterback-20110112 Rick Reilly, humorless hack, says the following: "He seems like he's wearing sandpaper underwear. For a guy from Santa Claus, Indiana, he's the least jolly person I've ever met," Reilly said. "He doesn't care what the public thinks of him. The public around the country doesn't know him and doesn't like him."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/01/jay_cutler_under_the_media_mic.html Here Reilly pisses off Greg Olsen.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25256837137833984 Zach Zaidman says the questions are stupid.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25277061929111552 Olin Kreutz does not tolerate bullshit.

And finally, when Rick Morrissey is making sense, you've got the wrong conversation:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/3281297-419/cutler-image-guy-jay-everyone.html "In the end, though, if it's a choice between a nice quarterback who doesn't win and a dour one who does win, we'll take dour every time. What is it Al Davis says? Just win, baby. That's all."

I'm more and more beginning to hope that Jay Cutler is just every much the asshole people says he is, and that his success on the field will gall them for years.

I don't think he is an asshole, I just think he is smart enough to know that the media sucks and will turn on him whether he treats them well or like shit. I like the way he is doing it now.

I think he's probably kind of an asshole and kinda douchey. Which means he's got a lot in common with the denizens of Desipioland. I hope the Bears win the Super Bowl and Kreutz puts Reilly in a headlock so Cutler can fart in his face.

I think he's a cocky sonofabitch who hates losing like it's cancer and looks like he wants to set the entire stadium on fire whenever he gets sacked or throw an interception. I can relate to that, so I appreciate it. I also think that if "intangibles" matter at all, it's in his relationship with his teammates, and other than one comment Urlacher may or may not have said to Bobby fucking Wade before he even met Jay Cutler they seem to support him. He's got the entire organization behind him 100%, so that alone should keep him from the Jeff George comparison that everyone likes to make. Because George's attitude did not affect his on-field play, and neither does Cutler. The only time that "chemistry" shit really matters is if you get a coach and a front office who get tired of it and decide to toss the guy. Cutler's never shown anything with anyone other than Josh McDaniels that would hint at a problem like that, and I think it's safe to say by now that McDaniels was more of a problem than Jay. He made Ortman into a superstar and started out 8-0 or something.  That boy good.

Meatball In a cave for the last couple years'ed.

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 08:52:21 AM

Quote from: R-V on January 13, 2011, 08:48:02 AM

Quote from: Waco Kid on January 13, 2011, 08:41:25 AM

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 08:23:35 AM
And on the eve of the playoffs, Cutler continues to ingratiate himself into my heart (even though he wouldn't give a fuck about that) by making absolutely no secret of the fact that he doesn't give a flying fuck about the media:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0113-haugh-bears-chicago--20110112,0,1318518.column Here David Haugh says he lacks intensity.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/sports/nfl/bears/rick-reilly-espn-bears-jay-cutler-quarterback-20110112 Rick Reilly, humorless hack, says the following: "He seems like he's wearing sandpaper underwear. For a guy from Santa Claus, Indiana, he's the least jolly person I've ever met," Reilly said. "He doesn't care what the public thinks of him. The public around the country doesn't know him and doesn't like him."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/01/jay_cutler_under_the_media_mic.html Here Reilly pisses off Greg Olsen.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25256837137833984 Zach Zaidman says the questions are stupid.

http://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/25277061929111552 Olin Kreutz does not tolerate bullshit.

And finally, when Rick Morrissey is making sense, you've got the wrong conversation:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/3281297-419/cutler-image-guy-jay-everyone.html "In the end, though, if it's a choice between a nice quarterback who doesn't win and a dour one who does win, we'll take dour every time. What is it Al Davis says? Just win, baby. That's all."

I'm more and more beginning to hope that Jay Cutler is just every much the asshole people says he is, and that his success on the field will gall them for years.

I don't think he is an asshole, I just think he is smart enough to know that the media sucks and will turn on him whether he treats them well or like shit. I like the way he is doing it now.

I think he's probably kind of an asshole and kinda douchey. Which means he's got a lot in common with the denizens of Desipioland. I hope the Bears win the Super Bowl and Kreutz puts Reilly in a headlock so Cutler can fart in his face.

I think he's a cocky sonofabitch who hates losing like it's cancer and looks like he wants to set the entire stadium on fire whenever he gets sacked or throw an interception. I can relate to that, so I appreciate it. I also think that if "intangibles" matter at all, it's in his relationship with his teammates, and other than one comment Urlacher may or may not have said to Bobby fucking Wade before he even met Jay Cutler they seem to support him. He's got the entire organization behind him 100%, so that alone should keep him from the Jeff George comparison that everyone likes to make. Because George's attitude did not affect his on-field play, and neither does Cutler. The only time that "chemistry" shit really matters is if you get a coach and a front office who get tired of it and decide to toss the guy. Cutler's never shown anything with anyone other than Josh McDaniels that would hint at a problem like that, and I think it's safe to say by now that McDaniels was more of a problem than Jay.

I know we've been over this before. But George's attitude did effect his onfield play. Nobody on his own team could stand him. That affected the amount of work he and his teammates and coaches put in to prepare for opponents and etc. I've heard a thousand times how much George hated to work and that affected shit too. That's how a guy with all the tools in the world ended up not doing much. Because eventually, there was no onfield play because nobody would trust him enough to play him. So stop this nonsense once and for all. Please. At long last.

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 08:23:35 AM

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/sports/nfl/bears/rick-reilly-espn-bears-jay-cutler-quarterback-20110112 Rick Reilly, humorless hack, says the following: "He seems like he's wearing sandpaper underwear. For a guy from Santa Claus, Indiana, he's the least jolly person I've ever met," Reilly said. "He doesn't care what the public thinks of him. The public around the country doesn't know him and doesn't like him."

If the country doesn't know him, how do they know they don't like him?

Quote from: Armchair_QB on January 13, 2011, 10:17:19 AM

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 08:23:35 AM

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/sports/nfl/bears/rick-reilly-espn-bears-jay-cutler-quarterback-20110112 Rick Reilly, humorless hack, says the following: "He seems like he's wearing sandpaper underwear. For a guy from Santa Claus, Indiana, he's the least jolly person I've ever met," Reilly said. "He doesn't care what the public thinks of him. The public around the country doesn't know him and doesn't like him."

If the country doesn't know him, how do they know they don't like him?

We're Americans. We instinctively don't like what we don't know. That's why we're number 1.

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I think he's a cocky sonofabitch who hates losing like it's cancer and looks like he wants to set the entire stadium on fire whenever he gets sacked or throw an interception. I can relate to that, so I appreciate it. I also think that if "intangibles" matter at all, it's in his relationship with his teammates, and other than one comment Urlacher may or may not have said to Bobby fucking Wade before he even met Jay Cutler they seem to support him. He's got the entire organization behind him 100%, so that alone should keep him from the Jeff George comparison that everyone likes to make. Because George's attitude did not affect his on-field play, and neither does Cutler. The only time that "chemistry" shit really matters is if you get a coach and a front office who get tired of it and decide to toss the guy. Cutler's never shown anything with anyone other than Josh McDaniels that would hint at a problem like that, and I think it's safe to say by now that McDaniels was more of a problem than Jay.

I know we've been over this before. But George's attitude did effect his onfield play. Nobody on his own team could stand him. That affected the amount of work he and his teammates and coaches put in to prepare for opponents and etc. I've heard a thousand times how much George hated to work and that affected shit too. That's how a guy with all the tools in the world ended up not doing much. Because eventually, there was no onfield play because nobody would trust him enough to play him. So stop this nonsense once and for all. Please. At long last.

Sigh. That's eventually what I said, innit? Look at the italicized. Yes, in a sense, the long term effect of George being an asshole was that it eventually affected his on-field play by, you know, keeping him off the field. But I mean that, in the short term, it didn't affect his playing ability or the results, because I don't see how anyone can look at his 1995 season with Atlanta, his 1997 campaign in Oakland, and his 1999 tour with the VIkings and say it kept him from being an effective player. My point is that people making the Jeff George comparisons miss the point with Cutler. He appears to have the entire support of his organization and the Only people he seems to give a shit about pleasing are them. So from an organizational standpoint the franchise has committed to Jay and thus he knows it doesn't matter what other people think. With George it was a combination of criticism from without and within the organizations he fucked.

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I think he's a cocky sonofabitch who hates losing like it's cancer and looks like he wants to set the entire stadium on fire whenever he gets sacked or throw an interception. I can relate to that, so I appreciate it. I also think that if "intangibles" matter at all, it's in his relationship with his teammates, and other than one comment Urlacher may or may not have said to Bobby fucking Wade before he even met Jay Cutler they seem to support him. He's got the entire organization behind him 100%, so that alone should keep him from the Jeff George comparison that everyone likes to make. Because George's attitude did not affect his on-field play, and neither does Cutler. The only time that "chemistry" shit really matters is if you get a coach and a front office who get tired of it and decide to toss the guy. Cutler's never shown anything with anyone other than Josh McDaniels that would hint at a problem like that, and I think it's safe to say by now that McDaniels was more of a problem than Jay.

I know we've been over this before. But George's attitude did effect his onfield play. Nobody on his own team could stand him. That affected the amount of work he and his teammates and coaches put in to prepare for opponents and etc. I've heard a thousand times how much George hated to work and that affected shit too. That's how a guy with all the tools in the world ended up not doing much. Because eventually, there was no onfield play because nobody would trust him enough to play him. So stop this nonsense once and for all. Please. At long last.

Sigh. That's eventually what I said, innit? Look at the italicized. Yes, in a sense, the long term effect of George being an asshole was that it eventually affected his on-field play by, you know, keeping him off the field. But I mean that, in the short term, it didn't affect his playing ability or the results, because I don't see how anyone can look at his 1995 season with Atlanta, his 1997 campaign in Oakland, and his 1999 tour with the VIkings and say it kept him from being an effective player. My point is that people making the Jeff George comparisons miss the point with Cutler. He appears to have the entire support of his organization and the Only people he seems to give a shit about pleasing are them. So from an organizational standpoint the franchise has committed to Jay and thus he knows it doesn't matter what other people think. With George it was a combination of criticism from without and within the organizations he fucked.

I believe that as good as George was in those seasons you named, he could have been even better if he weren't a total cockbag without peer. We'll never know that of course, because he was such a cockbag he denied himself a chance to prove it. I think we agree that George is a turd and Cutler has no business in the same sentance with that fuck.

Will you two go to lunch?

Quote from: Yeti on January 13, 2011, 11:08:53 AM
Will you two go to lunch?

My train doesn't leave till two on Saturday. If the Pex wants to get lathered up and talk and debate Jeff George, I'm all ears.

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 11:10:40 AM

Quote from: Yeti on January 13, 2011, 11:08:53 AM
Will you two go to lunch?

My train doesn't leave till two on Saturday. If the Pex wants to get lathered up and talk and debate Jeff George, I'm all ears.

If you're in town right now, let's light this candle. And by right now, I mean later.

Jeff George had better haircuts than Jay Cutler.

Quote from: BH on January 13, 2011, 01:15:16 PM
Jeff George had better haircuts than Jay Cutler.

Kyle Orton had better facial hair.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6017986 and here's the finished Reilly piece. He actually points out alot of the good about Cutler at the end, but most of it's shit. What I gather is that John Elway and John Lynch didn't like Cutler because both tried giving him unsolicited advice and he wasn't interested. Fine by me.

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 01:59:55 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6017986 and here's the finished Reilly piece. He actually points out alot of the good about Cutler at the end, but most of it's shit. What I gather is that John Elway and John Lynch didn't like Cutler because both tried giving him unsolicited advice and he wasn't interested. Fine by me.

QuoteHe was looking at the TV. The whole time. With his baseball cap on backward.

His hat was.....BACKWARD?!

(grabs pitchfork, trots off to Halas Hall)

Quote from: R-V on January 13, 2011, 02:13:08 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 01:59:55 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6017986 and here's the finished Reilly piece. He actually points out alot of the good about Cutler at the end, but most of it's shit. What I gather is that John Elway and John Lynch didn't like Cutler because both tried giving him unsolicited advice and he wasn't interested. Fine by me.

QuoteHe was looking at the TV. The whole time. With his baseball cap on backward.

His hat was.....BACKWARD?!

(grabs pitchfork, trots off to Halas Hall)

Worse than that, he kept checking the watch on his belt loop.

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 02:15:51 PM

Quote from: R-V on January 13, 2011, 02:13:08 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2011, 01:59:55 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6017986 and here's the finished Reilly piece. He actually points out alot of the good about Cutler at the end, but most of it's shit. What I gather is that John Elway and John Lynch didn't like Cutler because both tried giving him unsolicited advice and he wasn't interested. Fine by me.

QuoteHe was looking at the TV. The whole time. With his baseball cap on backward.

His hat was.....BACKWARD?!

(grabs pitchfork, trots off to Halas Hall)

Worse than that, he kept checking the watch on his belt loop.

Fuck Jay Cuntler!  The belt loop watch is my gimmick. 

Quote from: Fork on January 13, 2011, 08:38:48 AM

When Reno Hightower was a prick, he was the best QB in Kern County.

And the white shoes! Jesus, the white shoes! The only quarterback in the history of south Kern County to wear white shoes!

At least 2% of the desire that I have for the Bears to win the Super Bowl is built around the idea that Jay Cutler will pull a "Where's McCarver?" on Trent Dilfer immediately afterwards.

David Huh? thinks the 2006 Bears would pwn this year's version.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0114-bears-haugh-chicago--20110113,0,3415672.column

I liked the 2006 O-Line and really hope we can see Cutler working behind (||) a group that stout sometime soon. I think that unit alone gives that team a slight edge depending on when you make the comparison. To me it's important to note whether it's the '06 Bears pre/post Tommie Harris' injury. Before Tommie went down, this statement from Haugh rings true:

QuoteThat defense looked meaner, quicker and more feared and disruptive. It consistently created the feeling something big was about to happen because it generally did — and we'll always have the Dennis Green beer commercials to prove it.

But after? Pffft. This team would put points up against that playoff team. And Peppers would eat Grossman alive. Special Teams are obviously a wash. Coaching-wise? Fuck do I know?

Quote from: David Huh? on January 14, 2011, 09:15:25 AM
That defense looked meaner, quicker and more feared and disruptive. It consistently created the feeling something big was about to happen because it generally did — and we'll always have the Dennis Green beer commercials to prove it.

And if a defense needs to create anything, it's feelings.

Quote from: Internet Apex on January 14, 2011, 09:15:25 AM
David Huh? thinks the 2006 Bears would pwn this year's version.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0114-bears-haugh-chicago--20110113,0,3415672.column

I liked the 2006 O-Line and really hope we can see Cutler working behind (||) a group that stout sometime soon. I think that unit alone gives that team a slight edge depending on when you make the comparison. To me it's important to note whether it's the '06 Bears pre/post Tommie Harris' injury. Before Tommie went down, this statement from Haugh rings true:

QuoteThat defense looked meaner, quicker and more feared and disruptive. It consistently created the feeling something big was about to happen because it generally did — and we'll always have the Dennis Green beer commercials to prove it.

But after? Pffft. This team would put points up against that playoff team. And Peppers would eat Grossman alive. Special Teams are obviously a wash. Coaching-wise? Fuck do I know?

To continue from my reply on the other thread... I really think the 2006 offense vs. the 2010 offense as it is right now would actually be the 2010 offense with an edge in everything But the line. Cutler tops Grossman, Forte and Jones are more or less a wash, although I think Forte is actually an even better receiver. Jones was good out of the backfield, but Forte can actually split out and play as well as most slot receivers. I'd take Knox over Berrian as my deep threat and the Hester/Bennett/Aromashadu/Rashied Davis group beats out Stone Hands Muhammed/Where is Mark Bradley?/2006 Rashied. Olsen is a better matchup problem for defenses than Clark was, but Clark was a better blocker.

I just really got pissed at the insinuation that Cutler and Grossman had "basically the same year." I've been waiting for that simply because the counting stats ended up so similar. I mean Cutler's Adjusted YPA this year was 7.0. Rex's was 5.7. They're not even remotely close.

Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2011, 10:11:56 AM

Quote from: Internet Apex on January 14, 2011, 09:15:25 AM
David Huh? thinks the 2006 Bears would pwn this year's version.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0114-bears-haugh-chicago--20110113,0,3415672.column

I liked the 2006 O-Line and really hope we can see Cutler working behind (||) a group that stout sometime soon. I think that unit alone gives that team a slight edge depending on when you make the comparison. To me it's important to note whether it's the '06 Bears pre/post Tommie Harris' injury. Before Tommie went down, this statement from Haugh rings true:

QuoteThat defense looked meaner, quicker and more feared and disruptive. It consistently created the feeling something big was about to happen because it generally did — and we'll always have the Dennis Green beer commercials to prove it.

But after? Pffft. This team would put points up against that playoff team. And Peppers would eat Grossman alive. Special Teams are obviously a wash. Coaching-wise? Fuck do I know?

To continue from my reply on the other thread... I really think the 2006 offense vs. the 2010 offense as it is right now would actually be the 2010 offense with an edge in everything But the line. Cutler tops Grossman, Forte and Jones are more or less a wash, although I think Forte is actually an even better receiver. Jones was good out of the backfield, but Forte can actually split out and play as well as most slot receivers. I'd take Knox over Berrian as my deep threat and the Hester/Bennett/Aromashadu/Rashied Davis group beats out Stone Hands Muhammed/Where is Mark Bradley?/2006 Rashied. Olsen is a better matchup problem for defenses than Clark was, but Clark was a better blocker.

I just really got pissed at the insinuation that Cutler and Grossman had "basically the same year." I've been waiting for that simply because the counting stats ended up so similar. I mean Cutler's Adjusted YPA this year was 7.0. Rex's was 5.7. They're not even remotely close.

Agreed with everything except the Olsen/Clark part. 2006 Desmond was better at all things tight end than Olsen is. Olsen may be a better athlete, but it doesn't really translate to much production-wise.

Quote from: R-V on January 14, 2011, 10:41:03 AM

Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2011, 10:11:56 AM

Quote from: Internet Apex on January 14, 2011, 09:15:25 AM
David Huh? thinks the 2006 Bears would pwn this year's version.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0114-bears-haugh-chicago--20110113,0,3415672.column

I liked the 2006 O-Line and really hope we can see Cutler working behind (||) a group that stout sometime soon. I think that unit alone gives that team a slight edge depending on when you make the comparison. To me it's important to note whether it's the '06 Bears pre/post Tommie Harris' injury. Before Tommie went down, this statement from Haugh rings true:

QuoteThat defense looked meaner, quicker and more feared and disruptive. It consistently created the feeling something big was about to happen because it generally did — and we'll always have the Dennis Green beer commercials to prove it.

But after? Pffft. This team would put points up against that playoff team. And Peppers would eat Grossman alive. Special Teams are obviously a wash. Coaching-wise? Fuck do I know?

To continue from my reply on the other thread... I really think the 2006 offense vs. the 2010 offense as it is right now would actually be the 2010 offense with an edge in everything But the line. Cutler tops Grossman, Forte and Jones are more or less a wash, although I think Forte is actually an even better receiver. Jones was good out of the backfield, but Forte can actually split out and play as well as most slot receivers. I'd take Knox over Berrian as my deep threat and the Hester/Bennett/Aromashadu/Rashied Davis group beats out Stone Hands Muhammed/Where is Mark Bradley?/2006 Rashied. Olsen is a better matchup problem for defenses than Clark was, but Clark was a better blocker.

I just really got pissed at the insinuation that Cutler and Grossman had "basically the same year." I've been waiting for that simply because the counting stats ended up so similar. I mean Cutler's Adjusted YPA this year was 7.0. Rex's was 5.7. They're not even remotely close.

Agreed with everything except the Olsen/Clark part. 2006 Desmond was better at all things tight end than Olsen is. Olsen may be a better athlete, but it doesn't really translate to much production-wise.

THI

I still get a semi when I see Dez blocking on the two Thomas Jones TDs in the NFC Championship.

Quote from: Internet Apex on January 14, 2011, 11:39:01 AM

Quote from: R-V on January 14, 2011, 10:41:03 AM

Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2011, 10:11:56 AM

Quote from: Internet Apex on January 14, 2011, 09:15:25 AM
David Huh? thinks the 2006 Bears would pwn this year's version.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0114-bears-haugh-chicago--20110113,0,3415672.column

I liked the 2006 O-Line and really hope we can see Cutler working behind (||) a group that stout sometime soon. I think that unit alone gives that team a slight edge depending on when you make the comparison. To me it's important to note whether it's the '06 Bears pre/post Tommie Harris' injury. Before Tommie went down, this statement from Haugh rings true:

QuoteThat defense looked meaner, quicker and more feared and disruptive. It consistently created the feeling something big was about to happen because it generally did — and we'll always have the Dennis Green beer commercials to prove it.

But after? Pffft. This team would put points up against that playoff team. And Peppers would eat Grossman alive. Special Teams are obviously a wash. Coaching-wise? Fuck do I know?

To continue from my reply on the other thread... I really think the 2006 offense vs. the 2010 offense as it is right now would actually be the 2010 offense with an edge in everything But the line. Cutler tops Grossman, Forte and Jones are more or less a wash, although I think Forte is actually an even better receiver. Jones was good out of the backfield, but Forte can actually split out and play as well as most slot receivers. I'd take Knox over Berrian as my deep threat and the Hester/Bennett/Aromashadu/Rashied Davis group beats out Stone Hands Muhammed/Where is Mark Bradley?/2006 Rashied. Olsen is a better matchup problem for defenses than Clark was, but Clark was a better blocker.

I just really got pissed at the insinuation that Cutler and Grossman had "basically the same year." I've been waiting for that simply because the counting stats ended up so similar. I mean Cutler's Adjusted YPA this year was 7.0. Rex's was 5.7. They're not even remotely close.

Agreed with everything except the Olsen/Clark part. 2006 Desmond was better at all things tight end than Olsen is. Olsen may be a better athlete, but it doesn't really translate to much production-wise.

THI

I still get a semi when I see Dez blocking on the two Thomas Jones TDs in the NFC Championship.

I didn't realize how truly awful Chester Taylor had been until Biggs pointed out that his 2.4 YPC was historically bad for someone with that many carries. If you look at his pre- and post-bye splits, it's even worse. He averaged 1.6 YPC after the bye when the line actually got better - compared to 4.9 for Forte. I think we can declare his career dead. What a wretched signing.

DPD. Bob Legere delivers a beatdown to Rick Reilly. (http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/5075)

QuoteAccording to ESPN.com's Rick Reilly, quarterback Jay Cutler is some kind of creep because he didn't idolize any NFL quarterbacks as a kid.

Maybe he had other, more worthy role models like his parents or a teacher.

Reilly rips Cutler because he doesn't have any endorsements and doesn't want any. Brilliant. Better he should be a money-grubbing shill, willing to endorse anything for a buck. What kind of a jerk focuses on doing his job at the expense of making easy money? How dare he?

And, according to Reilly, Cutler is misguided because he refuses to publicize his hospital visits to children, especially those who battle Type I diabetes just as he does. Apparently, in Reilly's world, it's nobler to draw attention to yourself for doing good deeds, rather than just doing them and not expecting anything in return.

Better Cutler should be like former Bear Ted Washington, a fat, mean-spirited, miserable excuse for a human being, who did the occasional United Way commercial but was a flaming heap of garbage the other 99 percent of the time.

Maybe Reilly was just salty because, after he had invested three hours of his time at Halas Hall, Cutler declined to bare his soul, get in touch with his inner child or explain in detail what it is that makes him tick.

Imagine the gall of Cutler not to genuflect and share with Reilly his innermost thoughts the moment he saw him. What was Cutler thinking? How could he be so arrogant? I mean, this was THE Rick Reilly. How could he dare not answer HIS questions.

Guy walks in off the street and wants to know how many people in the pressroom really know Cutler. Really? How well does anyone in the media or any fan know any of the Bears?

Does Cutler come off as arrogant and disinterested during press conferences? Absolutely. Does he have any use for the media? Doubtful. Does he fail to look people in the eyes when he's talking? Sometimes, maybe a lot of the time, but he's getting better.

Does he limit his accessibility to once a week and after the game? Yup. But he's not uncooperative. For the record, I've gotten a decent answer to every decent question I've ever asked Cutler.

But then again, I wasn't trying to psychoanalyze him, and I didn't have an agenda.

There is an arrogant horse's rear end in this story, but it isn't the Bears' quarterback.

Someday Jay is going to win this war for us.

Quote from: R-V on January 14, 2011, 12:20:43 PM
DPD. Bob Legere delivers a beatdown to Rick Reilly. (http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/5075)

QuoteAccording to ESPN.com's Rick Reilly, quarterback Jay Cutler is some kind of creep because he didn't idolize any NFL quarterbacks as a kid.

Maybe he had other, more worthy role models like his parents or a teacher.

Reilly rips Cutler because he doesn't have any endorsements and doesn't want any. Brilliant. Better he should be a money-grubbing shill, willing to endorse anything for a buck. What kind of a jerk focuses on doing his job at the expense of making easy money? How dare he?

And, according to Reilly, Cutler is misguided because he refuses to publicize his hospital visits to children, especially those who battle Type I diabetes just as he does. Apparently, in Reilly's world, it's nobler to draw attention to yourself for doing good deeds, rather than just doing them and not expecting anything in return.

Better Cutler should be like former Bear Ted Washington, a fat, mean-spirited, miserable excuse for a human being, who did the occasional United Way commercial but was a flaming heap of garbage the other 99 percent of the time.

Maybe Reilly was just salty because, after he had invested three hours of his time at Halas Hall, Cutler declined to bare his soul, get in touch with his inner child or explain in detail what it is that makes him tick.

Imagine the gall of Cutler not to genuflect and share with Reilly his innermost thoughts the moment he saw him. What was Cutler thinking? How could he be so arrogant? I mean, this was THE Rick Reilly. How could he dare not answer HIS questions.

Guy walks in off the street and wants to know how many people in the pressroom really know Cutler. Really? How well does anyone in the media or any fan know any of the Bears?

Does Cutler come off as arrogant and disinterested during press conferences? Absolutely. Does he have any use for the media? Doubtful. Does he fail to look people in the eyes when he's talking? Sometimes, maybe a lot of the time, but he's getting better.

Does he limit his accessibility to once a week and after the game? Yup. But he's not uncooperative. For the record, I've gotten a decent answer to every decent question I've ever asked Cutler.

But then again, I wasn't trying to psychoanalyze him, and I didn't have an agenda.

There is an arrogant horse's rear end in this story, but it isn't the Bears' quarterback.

That was awesome.

Uh oh.

Quote from: Slaky on January 15, 2011, 09:27:27 PM
Uh oh.

Meh. I'm not anymore afraid of Green Bay than I was before. Atlanta had an absolutely horrid game plan. You don't blitz Aaron Rodgers. You play Cover 2 all day and make him do it 10-12 plays at a time. It's why he's only averaged 17 points in his last 5 games against the Bears. You take away the deep ball and hope to God somebody drops a pass or gets a sack. Atlanta had a 2001 Bears vibe all god damn year. Bunch of close wins against not-so-great competition, very conservative play at QB, strong running game, a defense that doesn't get much pressure with its front four. They've lived on the edge and it's finally bit them. They got hammered by the Kevin Kolb-led Eagles the same way.

Let's worry about the seahawks before we worry about the packers....because what I worry about matters. But I'm not worried. I'm pumped. I'm probably not going to sleep tonight. It's been too damn long since a bears playoff game damnit. I don't have a point other than bear the fuck down.

(Pounds fist on table)

BEAT SEATTLE!

Quote from: BC on January 15, 2011, 10:51:39 PM
(Pounds fist on table)

BEAT SEATTLE!

You obviously haven't been watching ESPN and Fox.

They pretty much said http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTfWOhDGifY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTfWOhDGifY)

Quote from: BC on January 15, 2011, 10:51:39 PM
(Pounds fist on table)

BEAT SEATTLE!

(Table crumbles. Warm Dr. Pepper spills, soaks into off-white carpeting.)

Quote from: Slaky on January 15, 2011, 11:24:01 PM

Quote from: BC on January 15, 2011, 10:51:39 PM
(Pounds fist on table)

BEAT SEATTLE!

(Table crumbles. Warm Dr. Pepper spills, soaks into off-white carpeting.)

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!

Quote from: Bort on January 15, 2011, 11:57:51 PM

Quote from: Slaky on January 15, 2011, 11:24:01 PM

Quote from: BC on January 15, 2011, 10:51:39 PM
(Pounds fist on table)

BEAT SEATTLE!

(Table crumbles. Warm Dr. Pepper spills, soaks into off-white carpeting.)

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS ANTS!

Old floozy'd

Quote from: ChuckD on January 16, 2011, 07:57:12 AM

Quote from: Bort on January 15, 2011, 11:57:51 PM

Quote from: Slaky on January 15, 2011, 11:24:01 PM

Quote from: BC on January 15, 2011, 10:51:39 PM
(Pounds fist on table)

BEAT SEATTLE!

(Table crumbles. Warm Dr. Pepper spills, soaks into off-white carpeting.)

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS ANTS!

Old floozy'd

Do you want ants?  Because thats how you get ants.

Man I hope the Bears kick the piss out of this sorry excuse for a feel good story so we can spend the next week listening to how much the Packers are going to destroy the Bears. 

Bear down, motherfuckers.

Play the fucking game, already!

Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 16, 2011, 11:13:18 AM
Play the fucking game, already!

But there's still forty minutes to hear about how cutler is snarky. I need to hear more about his mopey face.

Quote from: Slaky on January 16, 2011, 08:25:53 AM

Quote from: ChuckD on January 16, 2011, 07:57:12 AM

Quote from: Bort on January 15, 2011, 11:57:51 PM

Quote from: Slaky on January 15, 2011, 11:24:01 PM

Quote from: BC on January 15, 2011, 10:51:39 PM
(Pounds fist on table)

BEAT SEATTLE!

(Table crumbles. Warm Dr. Pepper spills, soaks into off-white carpeting.)

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS ANTS!

Old floozy'd

Do you want ants?  Because thats how you get ants.

I feel like a common Huey for missing the chance to make an Archer reference.

Cutler to Olsen for the first strike. However, Seattle was down 10, twice, last week against the Saints. Hopefully the Bears won't get too excited by this early score.

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 12:08:38 PM
Cutler to Olsen for the first strike. However, Seattle was down 10, twice, last week against the Saints. Hopefully the Bears won't get too excited by this early score.

Who do you think you are?  Jay Cutler?  Cheer up.

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 12:08:38 PM
Cutler to Olsen for the first strike. However, Seattle was down 10, twice, last week against the Saints. Hopefully the Bears won't get too excited by this early score.

Hey, hey...shut up.

Super Bears, Super Bowl!

Hope Carlson is okay.

Kick it.

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 12:37:58 PM
Kick it.

They did.

After the TD.

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 12:37:58 PM
Kick it.

Well, they made it and then scored.  But let's not forget that the Ravens had a two TD lead yesterday...

Quote from: CT III on January 16, 2011, 12:40:09 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 12:37:58 PM
Kick it.

Well, they made it and then scored.  But let's not forget that the Ravens had a two TD lead yesterday...

Indeed. I just don't get the "go for it" attitude in that situation, get the points and make the other team score more points against this Bears defense...

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 12:41:27 PM

Quote from: CT III on January 16, 2011, 12:40:09 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 12:37:58 PM
Kick it.

Well, they made it and then scored.  But let's not forget that the Ravens had a two TD lead yesterday...

Indeed. I just don't get the "go for it" attitude in that situation, get the points and make the other team score more points against this Bears defense...

Jesus Christ. Enjoy SOMETHING.

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 12:44:46 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 12:41:27 PM

Quote from: CT III on January 16, 2011, 12:40:09 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 12:37:58 PM
Kick it.

Well, they made it and then scored.  But let's not forget that the Ravens had a two TD lead yesterday...

Indeed. I just don't get the "go for it" attitude in that situation, get the points and make the other team score more points against this Bears defense...

Jesus Christ. Enjoy SOMETHING.

But if he enjoys anything, he might get used to it.

Quote from: Bort on January 16, 2011, 12:49:37 PM

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Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 12:41:27 PM

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Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 12:37:58 PM
Kick it.

Well, they made it and then scored.  But let's not forget that the Ravens had a two TD lead yesterday...

Indeed. I just don't get the "go for it" attitude in that situation, get the points and make the other team score more points against this Bears defense...

Jesus Christ. Enjoy SOMETHING.

But if he enjoys anything, he might get used to it.

Precisely.  Don't pee in BC's Dr. Pepper and tell him it's sweet, sweet ice.

Quote from: CT III on January 16, 2011, 12:51:03 PM

Quote from: Bort on January 16, 2011, 12:49:37 PM

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Quote from: CT III on January 16, 2011, 12:40:09 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 12:37:58 PM
Kick it.

Well, they made it and then scored.  But let's not forget that the Ravens had a two TD lead yesterday...

Indeed. I just don't get the "go for it" attitude in that situation, get the points and make the other team score more points against this Bears defense...

Jesus Christ. Enjoy SOMETHING.

But if he enjoys anything, he might get used to it.

Precisely.  Don't pee in BC's Dr. Pepper and tell him it's sweet, sweet ice.

They really should have kicked just now.

I'm worried about this 21 point lead.

Quote from: Bort on January 16, 2011, 12:57:33 PM

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Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 12:37:58 PM
Kick it.

Well, they made it and then scored.  But let's not forget that the Ravens had a two TD lead yesterday...

Indeed. I just don't get the "go for it" attitude in that situation, get the points and make the other team score more points against this Bears defense...

Jesus Christ. Enjoy SOMETHING.

But if he enjoys anything, he might get used to it.

Precisely.  Don't pee in BC's Dr. Pepper and tell him it's sweet, sweet ice.

They really should have kicked just now.

Can't get two excited...Houston Oilers led 35-3....

JAY CUTLER!!! QUARTERBACK DRAW!!! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 12:58:23 PM
JAY CUTLER!!! QUARTERBACK DRAW!!! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!

Now THAT is a sullen touchdown.

Seattle is awful

Quote from: Richard Chuggar on January 16, 2011, 01:04:34 PM
Seattle is awful

No, the Bears are just that damn good, CrabsBC.

Does siragusa know he's on tv? It sounds like he thinks his mic is a bluetoooth and he's mumbling shit to a buddy on the phone.

Quote from: Richard Chuggar on January 16, 2011, 01:04:34 PMSeattle is awful

And you know from awful.

Between Bennett's option and read and Cutler's designed QB draw I've got a bit of a Martz chub today. I remember being disappointed when they got Martz instead of Jeremy Bates. Whoops.

Quote from: R-V on January 16, 2011, 02:08:00 PM

Quote from: Richard Chuggar on January 16, 2011, 01:04:34 PMSeattle is awful

And you know from awful.

Between Bennett's option and read and Cutler's designed QB draw I've got a bit of a Martz chub today. I remember being disappointed when they got Martz instead of Jeremy Bates. Whoops.

I'm just glad I don't know This asshole: http://startkyleorton.blogspot.com/2010/01/mike-martz-would-utterly-freaking.html

It's becoming hard for me to talk with Jay Cutler's dong hanging out of my mouth.

All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

This Cutler guy thinks run first too much...

Quote from: Bort on January 16, 2011, 02:13:33 PM
It's becoming hard for me to talk with Jay Cutler's dong hanging out of my mouth.

So hard.

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

Why even type anymore?

Quote from: R-V on January 16, 2011, 02:08:00 PM

Quote from: Richard Chuggar on January 16, 2011, 01:04:34 PMSeattle is awful

And you know from awful.

Between Bennett's option and read and Cutler's designed QB draw I've got a bit of a Martz chub today. I remember being disappointed when they got Martz instead of Jeremy Bates. Whoops.

Martz has called a great game today.

Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 16, 2011, 02:23:56 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

Why even type anymore?

I want to know where he was going with those ellipses.  I need closure on this post, dammit.

Fucking Christ, Forte.

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

We're only a "Bears can't win when Dick Stockton does the game" reference from hitting all of BC's Bears talking points.

That wasn't even remotely close to pass interference.

Quote from: Shooter on January 16, 2011, 02:33:45 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

We're only a "Bears can't win when Dick Stockton does the game" reference from hitting all of BC's Bears talking points.

All I know is that Chuck thinks Lovie is the offensive coordinator http://twitter.com/ivychat/status/26739699347365888

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 02:37:04 PM

Quote from: Shooter on January 16, 2011, 02:33:45 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

We're only a "Bears can't win when Dick Stockton does the game" reference from hitting all of BC's Bears talking points.

All I know is that Chuck thinks Lovie is the offensive coordinator http://twitter.com/ivychat/status/26739699347365888

Right, SKO.  Those are earmuffs on Lovie's head.

Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 16, 2011, 02:40:54 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 02:37:04 PM

Quote from: Shooter on January 16, 2011, 02:33:45 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

We're only a "Bears can't win when Dick Stockton does the game" reference from hitting all of BC's Bears talking points.

All I know is that Chuck thinks Lovie is the offensive coordinator http://twitter.com/ivychat/status/26739699347365888

Right, SKO.  Those are earmuffs on Lovie's head.

Play calls are actually relayed from Martz to the QB coach to Cutler. Lovie, like most head coaches who don't call the plays themselves, has little to no input other than going for it on fourth down or not. You're a dipshit.

Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 16, 2011, 02:40:54 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 02:37:04 PM

Quote from: Shooter on January 16, 2011, 02:33:45 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

We're only a "Bears can't win when Dick Stockton does the game" reference from hitting all of BC's Bears talking points.

All I know is that Chuck thinks Lovie is the offensive coordinator http://twitter.com/ivychat/status/26739699347365888

Right, SKO.  Those are earmuffs on Lovie's head.

That clinches it. Chuck and BC can ruin ANYTHING.

So Chester, Olsen and Tommie were just playing possum all season right? Saving themselves for the playoffs?

Holy fuck I'm already nervous for next week.

I think the sign Fox just showed says it all. Super Bears...

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:59:07 PM
I think the sign Fox just showed says it all. Super Bears...

Sea Ya?.................................................

Great call by Lovie on that TD pass to Davis.

(Pounds fist on table)

BEAT GREEN BAY!

The Seahawks nearly covering the spread: proof that Charles Tillman (Fuck you) doesn't understand how to play defense?

Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 16, 2011, 02:40:54 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 02:37:04 PM

Quote from: Shooter on January 16, 2011, 02:33:45 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

We're only a "Bears can't win when Dick Stockton does the game" reference from hitting all of BC's Bears talking points.

All I know is that Chuck thinks Lovie is the offensive coordinator http://twitter.com/ivychat/status/26739699347365888

Right, SKO.  Those are earmuffs on Lovie's head.

Yikes.

I've got a ninth beer that's dark and tasty like Lovie's dong.

And a ticket in my pocket that says, "SUPERBEARSUPERBOWE"

Look for me in the stands, GMH's. I'll be the buff, shirtless dude with a dead squirrel on his chest.

Green Bay favored -3, over/under is 44. That O/U strikes me as too high, the first game was a combined 37 points and the second only a combined 13.

Fro Dog, true to form as always: http://firedustybaker2.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/another-near-catastrophe/

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Fro Dog, true to form as always: http://firedustybaker2.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/another-near-catastrophe/

Why do you have to pooh-pooh his relentless quest for excellence at all cost?

Quote from: Bort on January 16, 2011, 05:08:04 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Fro Dog, true to form as always: http://firedustybaker2.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/another-near-catastrophe/

Why do you have to pooh-pooh his relentless quest for excellence at all cost?

I just post stats and accept mediocrity.

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Fro Dog, true to form as always: http://firedustybaker2.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/another-near-catastrophe/

That guy's doing a bit, right?  This has to be a "meatball fan" parody.

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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 16, 2011, 02:40:54 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 02:37:04 PM

Quote from: Shooter on January 16, 2011, 02:33:45 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

We're only a "Bears can't win when Dick Stockton does the game" reference from hitting all of BC's Bears talking points.

All I know is that Chuck thinks Lovie is the offensive coordinator http://twitter.com/ivychat/status/26739699347365888

Right, SKO.  Those are earmuffs on Lovie's head.

Yikes.

That's pretty scary. Chuck, I thought you knew something about sports.

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Quote from: Eli on January 16, 2011, 03:35:17 PM

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Quote from: Shooter on January 16, 2011, 02:33:45 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

We're only a "Bears can't win when Dick Stockton does the game" reference from hitting all of BC's Bears talking points.

All I know is that Chuck thinks Lovie is the offensive coordinator http://twitter.com/ivychat/status/26739699347365888

Right, SKO.  Those are earmuffs on Lovie's head.

Yikes.

That's pretty scary. Chuck, I thought you knew something about sports.

Based on what, exactly?

Quote from: Bort on January 16, 2011, 05:42:11 PM

Quote from: Slaky on January 16, 2011, 05:27:56 PM

Quote from: Eli on January 16, 2011, 03:35:17 PM

Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 16, 2011, 02:40:54 PM

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Quote from: Shooter on January 16, 2011, 02:33:45 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

We're only a "Bears can't win when Dick Stockton does the game" reference from hitting all of BC's Bears talking points.

All I know is that Chuck thinks Lovie is the offensive coordinator http://twitter.com/ivychat/status/26739699347365888

Right, SKO.  Those are earmuffs on Lovie's head.

Yikes.

That's pretty scary. Chuck, I thought you knew something about sports.

Based on what, exactly?

The molested

Quote from: fiveouts on January 16, 2011, 05:10:23 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Fro Dog, true to form as always: http://firedustybaker2.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/another-near-catastrophe/

That guy's doing a bit, right?  This has to be a "meatball fan" parody.

I love Fro so much:

QuoteAll the Bears had to do was play like they did the first three quarters. Then all of a sudden, they start to look like the defense we saw most of the regular season. Big plays, lots of yards and quick touchdowns. The defense was once again fortunate as time ran out on the Seahawks to complete their comeback.

Why didn't they just play the same way in the 4th quarter that they did in the first 3?  God, it's so simple!

Quote from: CT III on January 16, 2011, 06:34:55 PM

Quote from: fiveouts on January 16, 2011, 05:10:23 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Fro Dog, true to form as always: http://firedustybaker2.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/another-near-catastrophe/

That guy's doing a bit, right?  This has to be a "meatball fan" parody.

I love Fro so much:

QuoteAll the Bears had to do was play like they did the first three quarters. Then all of a sudden, they start to look like the defense we saw most of the regular season. Big plays, lots of yards and quick touchdowns. The defense was once again fortunate as time ran out on the Seahawks to complete their comeback.

Why didn't they just play the same way in the 4th quarter that they did in the first 3?  God, it's so simple!

The best part? He says "like we saw most of the regular season" like it's a bad thing to have the 2nd best rush defense, second best passer rating against, 2nd fewest passing TDs allowed, 2nd most INTs, 6th best yardage wise, and 4th best scoring defense.

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Quote from: fiveouts on January 16, 2011, 05:10:23 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Fro Dog, true to form as always: http://firedustybaker2.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/another-near-catastrophe/

That guy's doing a bit, right?  This has to be a "meatball fan" parody.

I love Fro so much:

QuoteAll the Bears had to do was play like they did the first three quarters. Then all of a sudden, they start to look like the defense we saw most of the regular season. Big plays, lots of yards and quick touchdowns. The defense was once again fortunate as time ran out on the Seahawks to complete their comeback.

Why didn't they just play the same way in the 4th quarter that they did in the first 3?  God, it's so simple!

Its strange.  I thought all they had to do was win the game.  

Quote from: fiveouts on January 16, 2011, 06:37:10 PM

Quote from: CT III on January 16, 2011, 06:34:55 PM

Quote from: fiveouts on January 16, 2011, 05:10:23 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Fro Dog, true to form as always: http://firedustybaker2.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/another-near-catastrophe/

That guy's doing a bit, right?  This has to be a "meatball fan" parody.

I love Fro so much:

QuoteAll the Bears had to do was play like they did the first three quarters. Then all of a sudden, they start to look like the defense we saw most of the regular season. Big plays, lots of yards and quick touchdowns. The defense was once again fortunate as time ran out on the Seahawks to complete their comeback.

Why didn't they just play the same way in the 4th quarter that they did in the first 3?  God, it's so simple!

Its strange.  I thought all they had to do was win the game.  

Why you gutless, bullshit tolerating sheeple...

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Quote from: fiveouts on January 16, 2011, 06:37:10 PM

Quote from: CT III on January 16, 2011, 06:34:55 PM

Quote from: fiveouts on January 16, 2011, 05:10:23 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Fro Dog, true to form as always: http://firedustybaker2.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/another-near-catastrophe/

That guy's doing a bit, right?  This has to be a "meatball fan" parody.

I love Fro so much:

QuoteAll the Bears had to do was play like they did the first three quarters. Then all of a sudden, they start to look like the defense we saw most of the regular season. Big plays, lots of yards and quick touchdowns. The defense was once again fortunate as time ran out on the Seahawks to complete their comeback.

Why didn't they just play the same way in the 4th quarter that they did in the first 3?  God, it's so simple!

Its strange.  I thought all they had to do was win the game.  

Why you gutless, bullshit tolerating sheeple...

THE BEARS MUST WIN 59-TO-NOTHING DAMMIT!!!

I'm not necessarily happy with how the defense played in the 4th, but that was essentially garbage time. Things would've been different if the score had been closer in terms of defensive approach.

I had two major issues with the fourth quarter, namely Martz's decision to get cutesy with a 28-3 lead and first down near midfield with that idiotic pass/INT from Forte out of the wildcat. Someone tell Martz to please not fucking do that again.

The other one was somehow getting beat over the top on the play before the final TD, despite having eight (and possibly nine) guys dropped into coverage. How the hell is that even possible?

But jeez, I'm not going to let those two annoyances outweigh the satisfaction I got from watching the Bears jam their cleats up Pete Carroll's trojan-hole all day. Sheesh.

Quote from: R-V on January 14, 2011, 10:41:03 AM

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David Huh? thinks the 2006 Bears would pwn this year's version.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0114-bears-haugh-chicago--20110113,0,3415672.column

I liked the 2006 O-Line and really hope we can see Cutler working behind (||) a group that stout sometime soon. I think that unit alone gives that team a slight edge depending on when you make the comparison. To me it's important to note whether it's the '06 Bears pre/post Tommie Harris' injury. Before Tommie went down, this statement from Haugh rings true:

QuoteThat defense looked meaner, quicker and more feared and disruptive. It consistently created the feeling something big was about to happen because it generally did — and we'll always have the Dennis Green beer commercials to prove it.

But after? Pffft. This team would put points up against that playoff team. And Peppers would eat Grossman alive. Special Teams are obviously a wash. Coaching-wise? Fuck do I know?

To continue from my reply on the other thread... I really think the 2006 offense vs. the 2010 offense as it is right now would actually be the 2010 offense with an edge in everything But the line. Cutler tops Grossman, Forte and Jones are more or less a wash, although I think Forte is actually an even better receiver. Jones was good out of the backfield, but Forte can actually split out and play as well as most slot receivers. I'd take Knox over Berrian as my deep threat and the Hester/Bennett/Aromashadu/Rashied Davis group beats out Stone Hands Muhammed/Where is Mark Bradley?/2006 Rashied. Olsen is a better matchup problem for defenses than Clark was, but Clark was a better blocker.

I just really got pissed at the insinuation that Cutler and Grossman had "basically the same year." I've been waiting for that simply because the counting stats ended up so similar. I mean Cutler's Adjusted YPA this year was 7.0. Rex's was 5.7. They're not even remotely close.

Agreed with everything except the Olsen/Clark part. 2006 Desmond was better at all things tight end than Olsen is. Olsen may be a better athlete, but it doesn't really translate to much production-wise.

O RLY?!

Quote from: Reuschels_Jowls on January 16, 2011, 08:06:43 PM
I had two major issues with the fourth quarter, namely Martz's decision to get cutesy with a 28-3 lead and first down near midfield with that idiotic pass/INT from Forte out of the wildcat. Someone tell Martz to please not fucking do that again.

Well, it obviously didn't work for shit, but I don't think it's a 100% awful idea do do a few wacky
things to set up future plays.

Unrelated, but anyone bitching about the yards given up late in the game need to give it up and
get a new shtick.  That's what the Bears do.  It's their philosophy.

I do so love it when the Bears all of a sudden switch it up and start playing aggressive pass coverage
and knock the qb/receiver timing to hell.

Quote from: Pre on January 16, 2011, 08:25:47 PM

Quote from: Reuschels_Jowls on January 16, 2011, 08:06:43 PM
I had two major issues with the fourth quarter, namely Martz's decision to get cutesy with a 28-3 lead and first down near midfield with that idiotic pass/INT from Forte out of the wildcat. Someone tell Martz to please not fucking do that again.

Well, it obviously didn't work for shit, but I don't think it's a 100% awful idea do do a few wacky
things to set up future plays.

Unrelated, but anyone bitching about the yards given up late in the game need to give it up and
get a new shtick.  That's what the Bears do.  It's their philosophy.

I do so love it when the Bears all of a sudden switch it up and start playing aggressive pass coverage
and knock the qb/receiver timing to hell.

My bitch isn't with Martz for giving Dom Capers another look to think about. I have the same beef Martz had with Forte, which is that every HB option play since Jr. High comes with the stipulation that if your first read isn't wide fucking open you don't throw it. And yeah, I thought it was awesome how the Bears played on third down early in the game when Hasselbeck would look for Williams short. Tillman was not interested in allowing that.

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Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Fro Dog, true to form as always: http://firedustybaker2.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/another-near-catastrophe/

That guy's doing a bit, right?  This has to be a "meatball fan" parody.

I love Fro so much:

QuoteAll the Bears had to do was play like they did the first three quarters. Then all of a sudden, they start to look like the defense we saw most of the regular season. Big plays, lots of yards and quick touchdowns. The defense was once again fortunate as time ran out on the Seahawks to complete their comeback.

Why didn't they just play the same way in the 4th quarter that they did in the first 3?  God, it's so simple!

Its strange.  I thought all they had to do was win the game.  

Why you gutless, bullshit tolerating sheeple...

Moo.

Quote from: Pre on January 16, 2011, 08:25:47 PM

Quote from: Reuschels_Jowls on January 16, 2011, 08:06:43 PM
I had two major issues with the fourth quarter, namely Martz's decision to get cutesy with a 28-3 lead and first down near midfield with that idiotic pass/INT from Forte out of the wildcat. Someone tell Martz to please not fucking do that again.

Well, it obviously didn't work for shit, but I don't think it's a 100% awful idea do do a few wacky
things to set up future plays.

Unrelated, but anyone bitching about the yards given up late in the game need to give it up and
get a new shtick.  That's what the Bears do.  It's their philosophy.

I do so love it when the Bears all of a sudden switch it up and start playing aggressive pass coverage
and knock the qb/receiver timing to hell.

I don't mind the yards. But the whole point of that is to give up the plays over the middle. Not get beat 50 yards over the top. But again, like I said, quibbles. Bears pwned Seattke today.

Quote from: Reuschels_Jowls on January 16, 2011, 09:21:55 PM

Quote from: Pre on January 16, 2011, 08:25:47 PM

Quote from: Reuschels_Jowls on January 16, 2011, 08:06:43 PM
I had two major issues with the fourth quarter, namely Martz's decision to get cutesy with a 28-3 lead and first down near midfield with that idiotic pass/INT from Forte out of the wildcat. Someone tell Martz to please not fucking do that again.

Well, it obviously didn't work for shit, but I don't think it's a 100% awful idea do do a few wacky
things to set up future plays.

Unrelated, but anyone bitching about the yards given up late in the game need to give it up and
get a new shtick.  That's what the Bears do.  It's their philosophy.

I do so love it when the Bears all of a sudden switch it up and start playing aggressive pass coverage
and knock the qb/receiver timing to hell.

I don't mind the yards. But the whole point of that is to give up the plays over the middle. Not get beat 50 yards over the top. But again, like I said, quibbles. Bears pwned Seattke today.

They actually weren't in prevent on that one. They sent the safety on a blitz and Hasselbeck identified the one-on-one. Jennings got beat. It happens.

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 09:25:10 PM

Quote from: Reuschels_Jowls on January 16, 2011, 09:21:55 PM

Quote from: Pre on January 16, 2011, 08:25:47 PM

Quote from: Reuschels_Jowls on January 16, 2011, 08:06:43 PM
I had two major issues with the fourth quarter, namely Martz's decision to get cutesy with a 28-3 lead and first down near midfield with that idiotic pass/INT from Forte out of the wildcat. Someone tell Martz to please not fucking do that again.

Well, it obviously didn't work for shit, but I don't think it's a 100% awful idea do do a few wacky
things to set up future plays.

Unrelated, but anyone bitching about the yards given up late in the game need to give it up and
get a new shtick.  That's what the Bears do.  It's their philosophy.

I do so love it when the Bears all of a sudden switch it up and start playing aggressive pass coverage
and knock the qb/receiver timing to hell.

I don't mind the yards. But the whole point of that is to give up the plays over the middle. Not get beat 50 yards over the top. But again, like I said, quibbles. Bears pwned Seattke today.

They actually weren't in prevent on that one. They sent the safety on a blitz and Hasselbeck identified the one-on-one. Jennings got beat. It happens.

Looked like he was trying to guess the route, figured the WR would turn around and he wanted the pick. Guessed wrong. I don't think he'd play that guessing game had the outcome still been in question.

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Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 09:25:10 PM

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Quote from: Pre on January 16, 2011, 08:25:47 PM

Quote from: Reuschels_Jowls on January 16, 2011, 08:06:43 PM
I had two major issues with the fourth quarter, namely Martz's decision to get cutesy with a 28-3 lead and first down near midfield with that idiotic pass/INT from Forte out of the wildcat. Someone tell Martz to please not fucking do that again.

Well, it obviously didn't work for shit, but I don't think it's a 100% awful idea do do a few wacky
things to set up future plays.

Unrelated, but anyone bitching about the yards given up late in the game need to give it up and
get a new shtick.  That's what the Bears do.  It's their philosophy.

I do so love it when the Bears all of a sudden switch it up and start playing aggressive pass coverage
and knock the qb/receiver timing to hell.

I don't mind the yards. But the whole point of that is to give up the plays over the middle. Not get beat 50 yards over the top. But again, like I said, quibbles. Bears pwned Seattke today.

They actually weren't in prevent on that one. They sent the safety on a blitz and Hasselbeck identified the one-on-one. Jennings got beat. It happens.

Looked like he was trying to guess the route, figured the WR would turn around and he wanted the pick. Guessed wrong. I don't think he'd play that guessing game had the outcome still been in question.

Yeah, or he thought the ball would die on Hasselbeck as it had been doing all day. Either way, yeah, they'd wouldn't dick around with a much smaller lead.

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Quote from: Reuschels_Jowls on January 16, 2011, 08:06:43 PM
I had two major issues with the fourth quarter, namely Martz's decision to get cutesy with a 28-3 lead and first down near midfield with that idiotic pass/INT from Forte out of the wildcat. Someone tell Martz to please not fucking do that again.

Well, it obviously didn't work for shit, but I don't think it's a 100% awful idea do do a few wacky
things to set up future plays.

Unrelated, but anyone bitching about the yards given up late in the game need to give it up and
get a new shtick.  That's what the Bears do.  It's their philosophy.

I do so love it when the Bears all of a sudden switch it up and start playing aggressive pass coverage
and knock the qb/receiver timing to hell.

My bitch isn't with Martz for giving Dom Capers another look to think about. I have the same beef Martz had with Forte, which is that every HB option play since Jr. High comes with the stipulation that if your first read isn't wide fucking open you don't throw it. And yeah, I thought it was awesome how the Bears played on third down early in the game when Hasselbeck would look for Williams short. Tillman was not interested in allowing that.

On that play, I just would have liked Forte to pull it down and run through the gaping Jenna Jameson sized hole on the right side of the line. 

All of you guys are missing the big picture from today's game. It's not that the Bears advanced in the playoffs, or that Cutler proved himself in a big game, or that they are playing their biggest rival for the conference championship next week. Everyone is forgetting that they got REVENGE for a random loss in the middle of the season to a team in another division that nobody really cares about. REVENGE!!!!!!

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Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

We're only a "Bears can't win when Dick Stockton does the game" reference from hitting all of BC's Bears talking points.

All I know is that Chuck thinks Lovie is the offensive coordinator http://twitter.com/ivychat/status/26739699347365888

Right, SKO.  Those are earmuffs on Lovie's head.

That clinches it. Chuck and BC can ruin ANYTHING.

Watching the game last night, I actually caught myself thinking "even BC must be enjoying this".  How naïve of me.

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Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

We're only a "Bears can't win when Dick Stockton does the game" reference from hitting all of BC's Bears talking points.

All I know is that Chuck thinks Lovie is the offensive coordinator http://twitter.com/ivychat/status/26739699347365888

Right, SKO.  Those are earmuffs on Lovie's head.

That clinches it. Chuck and BC can ruin ANYTHING.

Watching the game last night, I actually caught myself thinking "even BC must be enjoying this".  How naïve of me.

People must think that a random Scottish dude living in the Netherlands who has strong attachments to the city of Chicago, which he has visited one time (as far as I know), is a really bizarre kinda thing.

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Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

We're only a "Bears can't win when Dick Stockton does the game" reference from hitting all of BC's Bears talking points.

All I know is that Chuck thinks Lovie is the offensive coordinator http://twitter.com/ivychat/status/26739699347365888

Right, SKO.  Those are earmuffs on Lovie's head.

That clinches it. Chuck and BC can ruin ANYTHING.

Watching the game last night, I actually caught myself thinking "even BC must be enjoying this".  How naïve of me.

People must think that a random Scottish dude living in the Netherlands who has strong attachments to the city of Chicago, which he has visited one time (as far as I know), is a really bizarre kinda thing.

Twice, man, I've been twice.  I'm practically Chicagoan.

But yes, they do.  If Chicago wasn't so awesome, I might be bothered.

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Fro Dog, true to form as always: http://firedustybaker2.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/another-near-catastrophe/

That guy's doing a bit, right?  This has to be a "meatball fan" parody.

I love Fro so much:

QuoteAll the Bears had to do was play like they did the first three quarters. Then all of a sudden, they start to look like the defense we saw most of the regular season. Big plays, lots of yards and quick touchdowns. The defense was once again fortunate as time ran out on the Seahawks to complete their comeback.

Yes. The defense sure was lucky that the refs happened to have the clock running in the 4th. Just imagine what could have happened if they didn't!

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Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Fro Dog, true to form as always: http://firedustybaker2.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/another-near-catastrophe/

That guy's doing a bit, right?  This has to be a "meatball fan" parody.

I love Fro so much:

QuoteAll the Bears had to do was play like they did the first three quarters. Then all of a sudden, they start to look like the defense we saw most of the regular season. Big plays, lots of yards and quick touchdowns. The defense was once again fortunate as time ran out on the Seahawks to complete their comeback.

Yes. The defense sure was lucky that the refs happened to have the clock running in the 4th. Just imagine what could have happened if they didn't!

For as much as I know about it - and let's face it, I'm no Fro - it seemed to me that the Bears' defense (especially the secondary) was exceptional last night, and just got hit with a couple of sucker punches at the end there.  I really felt for Tillman when he coughed up that near-interception for an instant touchdown.  Poor cunt.

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Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on January 17, 2011, 08:30:05 AM

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Quote from: fiveouts on January 16, 2011, 05:10:23 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Fro Dog, true to form as always: http://firedustybaker2.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/another-near-catastrophe/

That guy's doing a bit, right?  This has to be a "meatball fan" parody.

I love Fro so much:

QuoteAll the Bears had to do was play like they did the first three quarters. Then all of a sudden, they start to look like the defense we saw most of the regular season. Big plays, lots of yards and quick touchdowns. The defense was once again fortunate as time ran out on the Seahawks to complete their comeback.

Yes. The defense sure was lucky that the refs happened to have the clock running in the 4th. Just imagine what could have happened if they didn't!

For as much as I know about it - and let's face it, I'm no Fro - it seemed to me that the Bears' defense (especially the secondary) was exceptional last night, and just got hit with a couple of sucker punches at the end there.  I really felt for Tillman when he coughed up that near-interception for an instant touchdown.  Poor cunt.

I believe his name is "Charles Tillman (FUCK YOU)".

Quote from: Slaky on January 17, 2011, 06:21:57 AM

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Quote from: Shooter on January 16, 2011, 02:33:45 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

We're only a "Bears can't win when Dick Stockton does the game" reference from hitting all of BC's Bears talking points.

All I know is that Chuck thinks Lovie is the offensive coordinator http://twitter.com/ivychat/status/26739699347365888

Right, SKO.  Those are earmuffs on Lovie's head.

That clinches it. Chuck and BC can ruin ANYTHING.

Watching the game last night, I actually caught myself thinking "even BC must be enjoying this".  How naïve of me.

People must think that a random Scottish dude living in the Netherlands who has strong attachments to the city of Chicago, which he has visited one time (as far as I know), is a really bizarre kinda thing.

On the subject of which, I'm currently watching last night's Hawks - Predators game.  It's 1-1, not very interesting and the United Center has all the atmosphere of a morgue.  I don't want to check the score in case it turns into a good game, and then I'll have spoiled it for myself - so, without being too specific, should I continue watching?

Quote from: Tonker on January 17, 2011, 08:50:07 AM

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Quote from: Shooter on January 16, 2011, 02:33:45 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

We're only a "Bears can't win when Dick Stockton does the game" reference from hitting all of BC's Bears talking points.

All I know is that Chuck thinks Lovie is the offensive coordinator http://twitter.com/ivychat/status/26739699347365888

Right, SKO.  Those are earmuffs on Lovie's head.

That clinches it. Chuck and BC can ruin ANYTHING.

Watching the game last night, I actually caught myself thinking "even BC must be enjoying this".  How naïve of me.

People must think that a random Scottish dude living in the Netherlands who has strong attachments to the city of Chicago, which he has visited one time (as far as I know), is a really bizarre kinda thing.

On the subject of which, I'm currently watching last night's Hawks - Predators game.  It's 1-1, not very interesting and the United Center has all the atmosphere of a morgue.  I don't want to check the score in case it turns into a good game, and then I'll have spoiled it for myself - so, without being too specific, should I continue watching?

If you like a lot of third period goals, yes.

Quote from: PANK! on January 17, 2011, 08:54:19 AM

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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 16, 2011, 02:40:54 PM

Quote from: SKO on January 16, 2011, 02:37:04 PM

Quote from: Shooter on January 16, 2011, 02:33:45 PM

Quote from: BC on January 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
All I know is Ron Turner would've called that crap fade pattern three straight times right there...

We're only a "Bears can't win when Dick Stockton does the game" reference from hitting all of BC's Bears talking points.

All I know is that Chuck thinks Lovie is the offensive coordinator http://twitter.com/ivychat/status/26739699347365888

Right, SKO.  Those are earmuffs on Lovie's head.

That clinches it. Chuck and BC can ruin ANYTHING.

Watching the game last night, I actually caught myself thinking "even BC must be enjoying this".  How naïve of me.

People must think that a random Scottish dude living in the Netherlands who has strong attachments to the city of Chicago, which he has visited one time (as far as I know), is a really bizarre kinda thing.

On the subject of which, I'm currently watching last night's Hawks - Predators game.  It's 1-1, not very interesting and the United Center has all the atmosphere of a morgue.  I don't want to check the score in case it turns into a good game, and then I'll have spoiled it for myself - so, without being too specific, should I continue watching?

If you like a lot of third period goals, yes.

Why yes, I do!

Quote from: R-V on January 16, 2011, 02:08:00 PM

Quote from: Richard Chuggar on January 16, 2011, 01:04:34 PMSeattle is awful

And you know from awful.

Between Bennett's option and read and Cutler's designed QB draw I've got a bit of a Martz chub today. I remember being disappointed when they got Martz instead of Jeremy Bates. Whoops.

Right that wrong, Jerry? (http://twitter.com/#!/michaelombardi/statuses/27435879404408832)

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Quote from: R-V on January 16, 2011, 02:08:00 PM

Quote from: Richard Chuggar on January 16, 2011, 01:04:34 PMSeattle is awful

And you know from awful.

Between Bennett's option and read and Cutler's designed QB draw I've got a bit of a Martz chub today. I remember being disappointed when they got Martz instead of Jeremy Bates. Whoops.

Right that wrong, Jerry? (http://twitter.com/#!/michaelombardi/statuses/27435879404408832)

Appears to be a move to get Josh McDaniels now that his talks have broken down with the Rams. That's right, folks. There's a bidding war for Josh F*&king McDaniels. This world has no justice.

Quote from: SKO on January 18, 2011, 01:38:45 PM

Quote from: PenPho on January 18, 2011, 01:28:11 PM

Quote from: R-V on January 16, 2011, 02:08:00 PM

Quote from: Richard Chuggar on January 16, 2011, 01:04:34 PMSeattle is awful

And you know from awful.

Between Bennett's option and read and Cutler's designed QB draw I've got a bit of a Martz chub today. I remember being disappointed when they got Martz instead of Jeremy Bates. Whoops.

Right that wrong, Jerry? (http://twitter.com/#!/michaelombardi/statuses/27435879404408832)

Appears to be a move to get Josh McDaniels now that his talks have broken down with the Rams. That's right, folks. There's a bidding war for Josh F*&king McDaniels. This world has no justice.

If McDaniels thinks that the Seattle OC job is better than the Rams OC job, then he gets what he deserves.