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Quote from: Bonk on May 19, 2010, 06:18:22 AM

Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on May 18, 2010, 09:49:26 PM

Quote from: Bonk on May 18, 2010, 09:33:29 PM
Wow, Hawks get dominated in the first 10 minutes...

Wait, what?

Looks like shots were 10-4 SJ before the Hawks' goal.

Looked like the ice was definitely tilted in the Sharks favor before that.

The entire first was about as even a period of up-and-down hockey you're likely to see. Action went both ways, fast, the whole way.

Shots never tell the whole story, but take a look at this...

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/PL030322.HTM

0:25 SJ shot
1:16 Chi shot
1:23 Chi miss
1:25 Chi miss
1:31 SJ shot
4:22 SJ shot blocked
4:40 Chi shot blocked
5:34 SJ miss
5:46 SJ miss
5:54 SJ shot
5:55 SJ shot
6:00 SJ shot blocked
7:06 SJ shot
7:11 SJ shot
7:35 SJ shot blocked
8:31 Chi shot
9:35 Chi shot
9:40 Chi shot blocked
10:01 SJ shot
10:09 SJ shot blocked
10:35 SJ shot
10:45 Chi shot blocked
10:58 Chi shot blocked
11:18 SJ shot
11:37 SJ shot
11:51 Chi shot
12:01 Chi shot blocked
12:05 Chi miss
12:34 Chi shot
12:48 Chi goal

There's about a 30-second stretch there at 5:30 where the Hawks had to weather a barrage of pucks towards their net, but beyond that it was pretty even through and through.

Hits were all but even at 9-8 Sharks. Face-offs, too at 5-4 Sharks. The Hawks had 1 takeaway to the Sharks' 0 and 1 giveaway to the Sharks' 3.

Quote from: Slaky on May 18, 2010, 11:32:39 PM

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Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2010, 06:22:05 PM
That was a fucking clinic. Had to watch on tape delay due to family activities and spent my time fending off texts and phone calls. Unbelievable.

I will also say that it's just game one. The Hawks got destroyed in game one last series and still won it in six games. While I love the idea of having home ice advantage I don't like the idea of going back to Chicago coming off a loss. Winning game two would go a long way.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm going to be a wreck until the Hawks win 4 games.

Anything else?

Game three, please.

Dave Bolland goes from chump to champ. He OWNS Thornton's skull right now.

First it was Thing 2, now Jumbo Joe.

What the hell is Bolland doing to these guys?

(Actually, I gathered he was targeting Daniel's injured ankle early and often last series. What's Thornton's excuse?)

Quote from: Bonk on May 18, 2010, 09:33:29 PM
Wow, Hawks get dominated in the first 10 minutes...

Wait, what?

Quote from: Tonker on May 18, 2010, 04:12:44 PM

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Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2010, 10:55:17 PM

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Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2010, 06:27:37 PM
Holy Die-ver?

You just gave me a great idea for if I ever get to to start the Stevie Winwood thread, Slak.

Did he ever go by Stevie?

I thought so; could be wrong.

I know that he was only sixteen when he recorded "Gimme' Some Lovin'" with the Spencer Davis Group.  I suspect he was getting laid when he was 14, so for what it's worth, I could see him going by it.  Tonks?

I wasn't getting laid when I was fourteen, and even if I had been I have no idea if I'd have called myself Stevie because of it.  So, I can't really help, mate.

Okay... How about Morph? Did he ever go by "Stevie"?

Quote from: PenPho on May 18, 2010, 12:41:28 PM

Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on May 18, 2010, 12:35:50 PM

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Quote from: BH on May 18, 2010, 11:50:30 AM

Quote from: Kermit IV on May 18, 2010, 11:30:54 AM
I brew my own beer, you sheep.

I have had probably 12 different beers that friend's have brewed. I prefer buying my own beer over all of them.
I get why people brew their own beers, the idea of it is cool. But in practice, I'll leave it to the experts who have a lot more experience and processes in place to make sure it's good.

My brother makes his own beer. It's pretty darn good, especially his IPA. I can also get the same or better tasting IPAs when I want them for a few dollars instead of waiting months for him and his douchebag friends to brew another batch.

THI

Fucking hippies.

Wouldn't the hippies be the ones making beer? Not the ones just buying it?

Yes.

I was THI'ing Jon, Slak and BH.

I suppose I could have been more clear about this.

Quote from: Bort on May 18, 2010, 12:25:55 PM

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Quote from: BH on May 18, 2010, 11:50:30 AM

Quote from: Kermit IV on May 18, 2010, 11:30:54 AM
I brew my own beer, you sheep.

I have had probably 12 different beers that friend's have brewed. I prefer buying my own beer over all of them.
I get why people brew their own beers, the idea of it is cool. But in practice, I'll leave it to the experts who have a lot more experience and processes in place to make sure it's good.

My brother makes his own beer. It's pretty darn good, especially his IPA. I can also get the same or better tasting IPAs when I want them for a few dollars instead of waiting months for him and his douchebag friends to brew another batch.

THI

Fucking hippies.

Quote from: Fork on May 18, 2010, 12:11:07 PM

Quote from: BH on May 18, 2010, 11:53:25 AM
Trader Joe's saves costs by packaging the food themselves with their own labels, is that how they are cheaper?

That, and slave labor.

Also... it's people! Trader Joe's Verde Chicken Burritos are made out of people!

Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 11:27:09 AM
You won't kill self-interest.

Wouldn't dream of it.

I'm just asking how libertarianism proposes to deal with the reality that rational self-interest will oftentimes conflict with greater liberty.

And, moreover, how libertarians propose to negotiate the conflicting self-interests within society after they've scrapped the very political structures that have developed over centuries of human history for the purposes of dealing with that very problem.

The Burkean in me suggests a certain amount of prudence when approaching the political status quo we've inherited and a wariness of the unintended consequences of messing with it. What currently exists politically grew out of the needs of the complex interactions of society (and, yes, out of competing self-interests within society). What exists, at least to an extent, exists as it does for a reason.

The social democrat in me responds that many of these political structures grow from asymetrical power relations, resulting in structural inequalities that demand interrogation and often reform, accomodation or outright abolition.

It also says, vis a vis libertarianism, that's it's entirely appropriate for society to regulate some self-interest for the sake of greater equality and for the sake of avoiding a society that goes full Thunderdome, where only the powerful prosper.

Finally, while the liberal in me still holds liberty as the highest of ideals, it tempers this with a respect for pragmatism and the importance of fairness, openness and deliberation when it comes to the operations of power.

Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 11:27:09 AM
But others' self-interest should pursue the great libertarian ideal of limiting the power of government to essentially pick the winners.

I'm not sure what your point here is.

For starters, it seems awfully prescriptive for someone to say what someone else's self-interest "should" be.

More to the point, it is often in someone's self-interest to allow the goverment to "pick the winners" (if they're the ones in the position to be picked, or if they expect to be left on the short end of the stick if everything's left to market forces/etc).

This is precisely to my point.

In the example at hand, it is in the oil companies' self-interest to encourage legislative actions that limit other parties' freedom to sue them. Through their industry association, they work to convince the world that allowing the government to preemptively limit the ability of others to sue them is also in everyone else's self-interest. Quoting again...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-oil-spill-new-20100514,0,6291548.story

QuoteThe American Petroleum Institute, the industry's trade group, said Thursday that raising the cap could also increase the costs of exploration and production in the Gulf of Mexico by 25%, "which would threaten our nation's energy security, reduce government revenues and cost thousands of American jobs."

Further, apparently Lisa Murkowski sees it as in her self-interest to join them in opposing legislation that would enable the freedom of others to sue oil companies.

All fine. This is exactly what self-interest and power looks like in practice. (Which, no, is not to say that the workings of self-interest and power are necessarily bad.)

The simple fact is that such restraint of liberty by the government is a result of various parties' pursuit of their own rational self-interest.

Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 11:27:09 AM
Self-interest is the natural state of things. You cannot eliminate it. I will have my interests, you will have yours, whatever they are. It's not "privilege" anymore than you being hungry at lunchtime is "privilege" or you wanting to go to the Hawks game Friday is "privilege."

Self-interest above all involves everyone else pursuing their self-interests. Keeping restraints on the government is a ton more preferrable to shackling the people.

I don't mean to say libertarianism treats self-interest as a privilege. No one will deny the existence of self-interest. And no one here is talking about 'eliminating' it.

I just mean that libertarianism privileges individual self-interest on the social level as a value first in importance before all other social values (e.g., equality, justice).

As you said:

Quote from: Brownie on May 15, 2010, 07:53:42 PM
Libertarian thought assumes that self-interest trumps all.

I won't deny that self-interest is an unavoidable fact of life and that, in a society of individual self-interests, we will see competing self-interests.

But the negotiation of these competing self-interests in a social space, then, becomes a necessity. And this process of social negotiation is that big, bad dirty word, "politics."

Political structures, both formal and informal, develop over time to deal with competing self-interests, allowing us to live together while still pursuing differing interests (to a greater or lesser degree).

Some (though not all) of these political structures form we call "civil government."

Our American government as it currently exists is the product of over 200 years worth of self-interest contending with self-interest, power contending with power. Actually, well over 200 years if you consider that our American polity didn't leap fully formed from Alexander Hamilton's head, but rather grew out of existing civil traditions. Indeed, self-interest contending with self-interest is the story of all of human history, to the extent that it's probably tautological to describe it as such.

The upshot of this, though, is that our political structures, including all of those that restrict liberty, are the very fruit of centuries worth of rational self-interest playing out in the political economy.

I'm beginning to get the impression that my intuition that Prior was Tom House-constructed robot who never actually wanted to play baseball may have been a tad off the mark.

Quote from: flannj on May 17, 2010, 11:56:41 PM

Quote from: morpheus on May 17, 2010, 10:37:31 PM
from short to longer

Can't imagine why.

Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 07, 2010, 12:47:51 PM
Just stay away from her sans-makeup face.

FYC.

Quote from: MAD on May 17, 2010, 10:52:10 PM

Quote from: morpheus on May 17, 2010, 10:37:31 PM
Lou in tonight's postgame presser:

"We're going to change Zambrano's role, stretch him out a bit more...from short to longer. Build up some arm strength and stamina."

When asked about the rotation, he denied that was what was happening.  Big Z the long reliever?

Well, they have been in some blowouts lately.  It's like the old saying, "If you don't want pay your ace pitcher to be your ace pitcher, then you can always use him in a mop-up role."

I don't think I've ever heard tha—

Oh.

I see.

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Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:31:53 PM

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Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
rotoworld.

Season savior alert!

"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.

Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "

Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.

And that is a sobering thought.

That is the exact opposite of a sobering thought. That makes me want to drink until I crank out the Cyndi Lauper.

Well, the sobriety is the inciting incident for the drunkenness.

Also...so you want to drink 2 My Tais?

It was five shots of Jameson and three shots of....well, whatever it was, it was red.

Grenadine?

The blood of Kevin Hart's cutter's victims?

Cherry jello shots?  Beet juice and goldschlagger shots? Clamato and peach schnapps shots?

Red Headed Sluts.

I bet that her hair color isn't real.

She's a natural blonde.

Quote from: Internet Apex on May 16, 2010, 06:31:57 PM
Damn, sons. Now I feel like a Chad for drinking nothing but Dos Equis Amber and Birra Morretti all weekend.

When I studied in Itally, I tended to gravitate towards Moretti over Peroni* because of this guy. I swear he looks even drunker on the cans than he does on the bottles.

*When it came to Italian beers. My regular beer of choice there was actually Tetley's. Because, when in Rome Florence, drink as the Brits do.

Quote from: R-V on May 17, 2010, 09:41:56 AM
This isn't really a political topic - but did anyone else catch the 60 Minutes segment last night about the Deepwater Horizon explosion? Absolutely amazing that this guy survived. And an ANGER-inducing level of stupidity and negligence that led to the disaster.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/16/60minutes/main6490197.shtml

QuoteOn the rig, Mike Williams was reaching for a door to investigate the engine noise.

"These are three inch thick, steel, fire-rated doors with six stainless steel hinges supporting 'em on the frame. As I reach for the handle, I heard this awful hissing noise, this whoosh. And at the height of the hiss, a huge explosion. The explosion literally rips the door from the hinges, hits, impacts me and takes me to the other side of the shop. And I'm up against a wall, when I finally come around, with a door on top of me. And I remember thinking to myself, 'You know, this, this is it. I'm gonna die right here,'" Williams remembered.

Obviously he survived.

Does this give anyone else hope that Frank Lapidus is still alive?