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Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 18, 2017, 06:48:56 PMQuote from: PenFoe on July 18, 2017, 03:17:39 PM
In order of preference:
Kerry Wood
Jon Lester
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Shawn Estes
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Rick Aguilera
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Carlos Silva
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Internet Chuck
Estes seems ranked a little high.
Quote from: SKO on July 18, 2017, 12:09:30 PMQuote from: PenFoe on July 17, 2017, 08:54:24 PM
*Injects methadone*
Pretty sure I've been the last one on the Jen-Ho Tseng bandwagon since like 2 years ago, but he's still making some waves out there.
In his second start since being promoted to Iowa (still only 22 years old) he's currently at 7 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 K.
The concern has been in the lack of Ks, but he's up to over 8 K/9, which is the highest of his career.
Kid has a chance.
Quote from: SKO on July 18, 2017, 09:06:11 AM
It's very fitting that Lester took Kerry's #34 because both are tough sonsofbitches that I love and will defend to death.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 17, 2017, 09:18:16 PMQuote from: PenFoe on July 17, 2017, 08:54:24 PM
Kid has a chance.
A chance of being traded to the Marlins for David Phelps?
Quote from: CBStew on July 17, 2017, 08:03:18 PM
I admit it. I have a great interest in Shakespeare. Not so much the plays, but the person. I have around a dozen books about his life and times. I am amazed at the scholarship surrounding his life. About 50 years after he died the biographers started in on him, and thousands of books have been published about him. It is amazing that there are some "scholars" who doubt his authorship. (Mark Twain, Winston Churchill, etc.) Yet when he lived no one accused him of claiming credit for someone else's work. I guess no one at that time thought there would ever be any reason to doubt his authorship. In fact, it is well known what he wrote and with whom he collaborated. The claim is that he had only the equivalent of a grammar school education and it would be impossible for him to have acquired the talent. I think that the same argument could be made about Abraham Lincoln.
This series makes Shakespeare into a naïve booby, which is a novel approach to say the least. It has him writing the script for Act One, scene two, while the actors are on stage performing Act One, scene one. It also suggests that the actors improvised at will (no pun intended) and that he then incorporated the improvisations. I guess that is possible, but this is the first that I have heard about it. What else? Female actors. No, not men dressed as women. Actresses? "Shakespeare In Love" nothwithstanding, that just didn't happen during Shakespeare's lifetime. It took about 75 years after he died for women to be allowed on an English stage.
In spite of all these issues, I will follow the entire series because I am hooked on Shakespeare and the diverse approaches to his story.
Quote from: R-V on July 17, 2017, 03:48:42 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 17, 2017, 02:36:36 PMQuote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 12:16:10 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 12:08:36 PMQuote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 10:19:49 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 09:53:20 AMQuote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
I'm still using Phil Rogers' system, which rates the Quintana trade as a -3 and therefore it was bad.
It's actually a +1 using the true Rogers system.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 01:11:52 PMQuote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 12:16:10 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 12:08:36 PMQuote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 10:19:49 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 17, 2017, 09:53:20 AMQuote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.
Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.
Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational FansTM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.
Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?
Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?
Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.
I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.
There are three things everyone in the world thinks they can do better than the person doing it...drive a cab, run a hotel and build a baseball team.
Never mind that the guy currently doing it at 1060 W. Addison St. has proven to be one of the best in the history of baseball at doing at least one of these things. But I've never seen him drive, and I've never seen his picture in any of the hotels where I've stayed.
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 01:29:10 PMQuote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
I know this is the price to keep winning when you have a young core that can win for a long time on the hitting side, but you can basically shut this thread down now.
Fully trust Theo and Co to rebuild this, but the Cubs have basically the worst farm system in baseball right now.
Still well worth the price of the World Series, considering this was the first time they ever had a farm system that wasn't shitty anyway.
CT said it better:Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 04, 2017, 09:18:13 PMQuote from: CBStew on July 04, 2017, 04:01:52 PMQuote from: Canadouche on July 03, 2017, 10:37:20 PMFried potatoes covered with cheese curds and brown gravy? That is really a thing?Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 03, 2017, 01:18:58 PMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 28, 2017, 11:18:36 AM
Miguel Montero
Off to hang out with Kurt in Canadaland.
Just in time for the annual poutine festival!
It's really, really delicious, like all potatoes.bad for you. Therefore, it's also pretty damned tasty. The key factors are using real cheese curds (rather than, say, grated cheese) and french fries that won't wilt under the gravy. A pile of limp fries ruins the whole thing.
Quote from: Canadouche on June 23, 2017, 09:35:00 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 23, 2017, 12:14:54 PMQuote from: Canadouche on June 23, 2017, 12:13:36 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 23, 2017, 08:53:08 AMQuote from: Brownie on June 23, 2017, 07:56:00 AMQuote from: PenFoe on June 22, 2017, 11:43:18 PMQuote from: Canadouche on June 22, 2017, 09:03:07 PM
I wonder if Addison's early-season struggles were caused by stress from the drama at home. Perhaps the news getting out was actually a relief to him, because he wasn't hiding anything anymore.
Don't wonder about that.
There's no way to find out and it doesn't matter anyway.
At this point, they'll get a divorce, neither MLB nor law enforcement will do anything about it because it's unprovable and we'll just have to deal with rooting for a guy that might be a scumbag (admittedly any of them could be, but there's smoke here.)
That's the future as long as he's a Cub.
He's an immature scumbag at best. At worst, he's a narcissistic abuser. You can hope he becomes a better person. He is a good shortstop. I suppose Rey Sanchez, Alex Gonzalez, and Neifi Perez were wonderful citizens, husbands, and fathers.
Actually, he's completely innocent at best. The evidence we have is about as flimsy as possible.
And yet, probably true.
So here we are.
Well, we know that he committed adultery. With respect to the fact that he's hardly alone in that regard, it's still a pretty shitty thing to do.
Being shitty to your wife and committing assault aren't even in the same time zone.
And that's the difference between being an immature scumbag, rather than a narcissistic abuser.
Quote from: Brownie on June 23, 2017, 07:56:00 AMQuote from: PenFoe on June 22, 2017, 11:43:18 PMQuote from: Canadouche on June 22, 2017, 09:03:07 PM
I wonder if Addison's early-season struggles were caused by stress from the drama at home. Perhaps the news getting out was actually a relief to him, because he wasn't hiding anything anymore.
Don't wonder about that.
There's no way to find out and it doesn't matter anyway.
At this point, they'll get a divorce, neither MLB nor law enforcement will do anything about it because it's unprovable and we'll just have to deal with rooting for a guy that might be a scumbag (admittedly any of them could be, but there's smoke here.)
That's the future as long as he's a Cub.
He's an immature scumbag at best. At worst, he's a narcissistic abuser. You can hope he becomes a better person. He is a good shortstop. I suppose Rey Sanchez, Alex Gonzalez, and Neifi Perez were wonderful citizens, husbands, and fathers.
