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Quote from: JD on August 13, 2009, 08:50:01 PM

Quote from: Pre on August 13, 2009, 08:53:16 AM

Quote from: Gil Gunderson on August 12, 2009, 09:15:06 PM
Could someone give me a primer on some of the sabermetric defensive stats, namely UZR?  I am attempting to argue that Jermaine Dye is a horrible defender and I feel that I cannot mount an objective defense.

I can take a stab at it:
Basically, Ultimate Zone Rating divides the field into a group of zones, using SS as an (simplistic) example you'd have a zone for grounders between SS and 3B, between SS and the bag at second, slow rollers, etc (these aren't the real zones, but the idea of it).  UZR then measures what percentage of plays a a player makes in each zone (converts them to an out) and compares them to an average.  A 0 UZR would be league average.

Basically, it is good at exposing players like a Jeter who generally have a high fielding percentage on plays to them, but don't have the range to get to anything versus a player who might have a few more errors, but is able to make plays on a significantly higher amount of plays.

Dye specifically, fan graphs would argue that his defense for his career has been pretty bad.

Main Criticisms of UZR:
Doesn't account for outfielder arm strength
Doesn't account for ability to turn double plays
Says Jeter is a bad SS (valid for Yankee's fans only)

What the crap are you even talking about?  That's ridiculous, Pre.  I'd give a wedgie and stuff you in a locker if we were in high school and I was bigger than you and you're a nerd.  Still.  Every time I venture into this thread, I learn something new, though.  I learn who never played the game.  I mean, REALLY played the game.  Listen, pimples, if I wanna talk about zone defense, then I'll go to the On Hoops section.  If I wanna find out which desipiots didn't date until their Proactiv kicked in, then I'll come here.  If I wanna talk about guys that put everything they've got in America's pastime, then I'll probably just keep writing letters to Jim Leyland.  That guy smokes cigarettes.  And I bet he hates stats, too.  I'm not sure.  He hasn't written me back, yet.  He's probably too busy punchin' out statfags.

I'd probably go gay for you, JD, but I'd still bone chicks because tits are sweet.

DPD: Talk about a dick move. He actually pointed out Weebs to the security guards.

Quote from: Canadouche on August 13, 2009, 12:12:14 PM
And that is a fair cop, ChuckD.  Since I'm a douchebag, I should just leave it up and continue to irritate you ... or I could upload it to photobucket so it's no longer an issue of imageleeching which would also continue to irriate you (which in itself I find surprising that you'd be upset by, since not a day goes by that somebody here doesn't do that). 

Fair enough, but it's not my responsibility to call people on it. The only reason I called you on it was because it was adversely affecting my enjoyment of something I otherwise enjoy. And, regardless of whether other posters around here do it frequently, you of all people should know better than to image leech.

Kurt I don't really care if your posts are funny or not. Normally I just skim over them or ignore them altogether and I stay away from GROTA because it's not my thing or whatever.

My only issue (as I pointed out a while back) is that you're leeching your signature from PBF. While image leeching is bad form in general, I find it to be really unfortunate in this case because I actually really enjoy PBF. Seriously, I'm a huge fan. And, although I find the comic in your current sig to be humorous as I do with most things from PBF, its recent ubiquity via your posts is killing its humor for me.

Now, there is a remedy for this predicament. I could adblock the image and be done with it and go back to ignoring your posts. And, truly, I would absolutely love to be able to adblock your signature. But if I were to do so, I would inhibit my ability to see the comic when I'm on PBF's site. That, and I just refuse toe adblock anything from the PBF site on principle. So, that's my beef. Not that you're unfunny.

Quote from: Canadouche on August 13, 2009, 11:26:28 AM

Quote from: ChuckD on August 13, 2009, 11:25:05 AM

Quote from: Canadouche on August 13, 2009, 11:21:51 AM

Quote from: ChuckD on August 13, 2009, 11:18:31 AM
I agree with Apex. This is going to get wild and wacky here real quick.

Probably not, ChuckD. Unlike a couple of the extremely sad people here, I don't really bleed from my vagina every time somebody tries to insult me.

Is it because you're pregnant?

And this is a person who wants to tell me what's funny? 

No, you're confusing me with RV. I wouldn't try to tell you you're unfunny as that would almost certainly be tautological.

Quote from: Canadouche on August 13, 2009, 11:21:51 AM

Quote from: ChuckD on August 13, 2009, 11:18:31 AM
I agree with Apex. This is going to get wild and wacky here real quick.

Probably not, ChuckD.  Unlike a couple of the extremely sad people here, I don't really bleed from my vagina every time somebody tries to insult me.

Is it because you're pregnant?

I agree with Apex. This is going to get wild and wacky here real quick.

Quote from: Canadouche on August 13, 2009, 11:12:29 AM

Quote from: TDubbs on August 13, 2009, 11:04:58 AM

Quote from: RV on August 13, 2009, 11:00:59 AM

Quote from: Canadouche on August 13, 2009, 10:56:23 AM

Quote from: RV on August 13, 2009, 10:48:29 AM

Quote from: Canadouche on August 13, 2009, 10:44:47 AM
Quite frankly, anybody who spends about seven bucks on a beer should be allowed to do whatever they want with it.

I agree with your argument that the guy should have thrown his beer on your photoshop computer.

So you want me to make a photoshop of a computer for a guy to throw his beer on?  Fail at English much?

Let me try again: I would like someone to throw a beer on the computer you use to make photoshops, which would presumably disable said computer machine, thus rendering you unable to further pollute the internet with your unfunniness.

If it were a computer for only photoshops, that'd be awesome.  But if he also had a computer for strictly typing, then he'd just post stuff like his last 900 posts and still make people wish they were eyeless.

Not to sound like a broken record, but compared to what?  Your posts?  Are you seriously such a dork that you are trying to lord your online forum content over mine?  Crawl out of your basement, Dubbs, it's bright outside.  Your eyes will adjust, your skin might redden a bit, but you'll quickly find yourself happier and far less of a douchebag.

*Rolls D12*
*Twiddles thumbs*

Quote from: Gil Gunderson on August 12, 2009, 09:15:06 PM
Could someone give me a primer on some of the sabermetric defensive stats, namely UZR?  I am attempting to argue that Jermaine Dye is a horrible defender and I feel that I cannot mount an objective defense.

Pssst.


Nobody really knows what UZR is or what it does. One day, it was just there and so everyone kinda just went with it.

Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 11:39:06 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 12, 2009, 11:22:31 AM

Quote from: ChuckD on August 12, 2009, 10:21:55 AM

Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 10:19:45 AM

Quote from: ChuckD on August 12, 2009, 10:16:56 AM

Quote from: Eli on August 12, 2009, 09:58:26 AM

Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 12, 2009, 09:06:07 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on August 12, 2009, 08:22:10 AM
In 9 games in August:  12 for 30, .400/.542/.500/1.014.

Love.  Splooge.  Black man.

Woulda been nice to have that in April, May and June too.

He has a .400 OBP this season, which includes April, May and June.  That puts him 12th in the National League.  That's really good.

You want numbers? How about Triple Crown categories...

BA - .267 (53rd)
HR - 10 (80th)
RBI - 29 (107th)

AWFUL. AWFUL. AWFUL. AND THOSE RANKS ARE JUST FOR THE NL. AWFUL!

Does a .267 AVG matter that much when he's got a .400 OBP?  As for HR, you're correct, his power has been pretty pathetic this year.  But RBI are also hardly his fault.  He was hitting third for a quite a while and had Soriano's near-.300 OBP in front of him.  You can't drive runners in when nobody is on base.

We ain't paying him for excuses. You can drive yourself in with a HR, dammit. And there's no excuse for a Major League hitter to be hitting 267. NO reason.

Some might argue that WE aren't paying him AT ALL.  Is this the end for Internet Chuck?  When he gets FACED into oblivion by Weebs?

Did Kerm just make the same mistake I did?

Milton Bradley? More like Milkin' Jim Hendry for an Albradtross-of-a-contract-ley, amirite?

Quote from: MikeC on August 12, 2009, 11:25:31 AM
The problem really isn't insurance companies its our sue happy society. Doctors have to pay massive malpractice insurance which gets passed onto the public. If we could figure out how to protect the doctors and stop alot of these frivolous lawsuits costs would come down without the government getting involved.

Tort Reform as has been pointed out in this very thread by Gil Gunderson is estimated to result in (at best) a 2% drop in prices. Source: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=995270

QuoteThis study evaluates the impact of tort reform on health insurance coverage using the Current Population Survey's March Demographic Files.

Proponents of tort reform argue that reform will reduce medical malpractice insurance costs, damage awards, and costs associated with defensive medicine. If proponents are correct, these cost reductions should lower the price of healthcare and increase health insurance coverage.

On the other hand, if the prior tort law was functioning well, reform may increase medical costs by reducing doctors' care-taking or increasing the number of unnecessary procedures. In this case, tort reform could actually decrease insurance coverage by raising the price of health care.

We evaluate the effect of eight common tort reforms on private health insurance coverage between 1981 and 2004. In triple-difference specifications, we find that reform generally increased health insurance coverage for the most price-sensitive groups (the young, the self-employed, and the single). We also find that those uninsured around the time of reform were more likely to obtain private insurance after reform. Given the multicollinearity of many reforms, it is difficult to gauge the impact of individual reforms. However, the evidence suggests that limitations on punitive and non-economic damages do not affect private insurance coverage, while caps on total damages, collateral source reform, and reforms to liability and payment structure are associated with increased private insurance coverage for price-sensitive groups. Accordingly, we conclude that some tort reforms are effective in reducing healthcare costs. The magnitude of the effects on price sensitive groups suggests that some tort reforms can reduce health care costs by as much as two percent.

Consider that the US pays "53 percent per capita more than the next highest country, Switzerland, and 140 percent above the median industrialized country, according to new research from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health."

You're talking about a slight marginal drop in costs within a system that's completely fucked.

Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 10:19:45 AM

Quote from: ChuckD on August 12, 2009, 10:16:56 AM

Quote from: Eli on August 12, 2009, 09:58:26 AM

Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 12, 2009, 09:06:07 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on August 12, 2009, 08:22:10 AM
In 9 games in August:  12 for 30, .400/.542/.500/1.014.

Love.  Splooge.  Black man.

Woulda been nice to have that in April, May and June too.

He has a .400 OBP this season, which includes April, May and June.  That puts him 12th in the National League.  That's really good.

You want numbers? How about Triple Crown categories...

BA - .267 (53rd)
HR - 10 (80th)
RBI - 29 (107th)

AWFUL. AWFUL. AWFUL. AND THOSE RANKS ARE JUST FOR THE NL. AWFUL!

Does a .267 AVG matter that much when he's got a .400 OBP?  As for HR, you're correct, his power has been pretty pathetic this year.  But RBI are also hardly his fault.  He was hitting third for a quite a while and had Soriano's near-.300 OBP in front of him.  You can't drive runners in when nobody is on base.

We ain't paying him for excuses. You can drive yourself in with a HR, dammit. And there's no excuse for a Major League hitter to be hitting 267. NO reason.

Quote from: Eli on August 12, 2009, 09:58:26 AM

Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 12, 2009, 09:06:07 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on August 12, 2009, 08:22:10 AM
In 9 games in August:  12 for 30, .400/.542/.500/1.014.

Love.  Splooge.  Black man.

Woulda been nice to have that in April, May and June too.

He has a .400 OBP this season, which includes April, May and June.  That puts him 12th in the National League.  That's really good.

You want numbers? How about Triple Crown categories...

BA - .267 (53rd)
HR - 10 (80th)
RBI - 29 (107th)

AWFUL. AWFUL. AWFUL. AND THOSE RANKS ARE JUST FOR THE NL. AWFUL!

Quote from: MikeC on August 11, 2009, 04:01:43 PM
I don't think the state has any duty to provide health care for its citizens. Just like the state has no duty to feed you, put clothes on your back or give you a house to live in.

It has a duty to ensure an efficient market in the event of a failure. You know what? Fuck it. I'm not reading the rest of your post because you're probably already gone. Then, you wouldn't come back for a week even then, you wouldn't bother reading my response so I'd just be wasting my time. Thanks for the line breaks, though.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd, scene.