Sorry, Wheezer... that sucks man.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: SKO on December 20, 2017, 12:51:03 PMQuoteBut I think my big issue is, they didn't know how to use Luke. I think they literally don't know how to write an all-powerful Jedi (hint: he doesn't have to be all-powerful). And the scene in which he stood over a young Ben and briefly flirted with the idea of striking him dead just seemed so unLuke to me. Luke Skywalker believed that the literal worst genocidal maniac in the history of the galaxy could be redeemed, and then he actually redeemed him. This would be like turning Hitler, or Dahmer, into a good guy you'd want around your kids, and Luke did it. But his sleeping nephew was "lost"? I just can't accept that. After I saw the movie, I read that Hamill also disagreed with basically every decision that was made about Luke, and I'm not surprised about that.
Luke had faith that his father could be redeemed, because he had felt Vader's hesitation to kill him on Bespin. He was a boy who wanted his father, it was less belief than hope, you can tell in a lot of his responses in Jedi that he's legitimately surprised/dismayed when Vader takes him captive, delivers him to Palpatine, fights him, etc. Plus, Luke ventured nothing more than himself in taking that gamble on Vader, which is why the one time he snaps is when he realizes Vader might go after Leia instead. He's more than willing to risk his own life, he's never willing to sacrifice Han or Leia and he will risk the dark side if he thinks it helps them.
Luke sees Ben as his failure as a teacher. He tried to stop the growing darkness within him but nothing seemed to be working, and then that night he saw a glimpse of the future, of Ben destroying everything, killing Han, everything he loved, and in a single moment of weakness he turned on his lightsaber before regretting it and trying to turn it off, unfortunately Ben woke up just then and there. In that way Luke made the same mistake Yoda and Obi-Wan made in thinking the Jedi could save themselves and the Republic by fighting in the Clone Wars when really the only way for them to win was to not fight. He loses his faith in the Jedi when he tries to save the light through violence rather than saving lives, and it's restored by Rey, and thus he gives his life to save the Resistance without actually killing anyone. It's very moving.
Luke not giving up on Vader was about having faith in his father's goodness, Luke fearing that he couldn't prevent Ben from falling to the darkness was about a lack of faith in himself, and frankly that tracks pretty well with his arc in the OT. He was never a very cocky, confident guy, he was just a dude trying to do the right thing and save his friends and family. Letting them down is and always has been his worst fear, and it came true.
Quote from: SKO on December 20, 2017, 12:51:03 PMQuoteAnd Snoke was very disappointing. He was a mysterious, extremely powerful force user who spent the movie hanging out in his pyjamas until he was somehow dispatched by a character whose head Snoke bragged he was in at the time. Just ... disappointing. Once again, it leads me to think that they were deliberately dispatching with the "masters" of the Force because it's hard to write a suspenseful movie when there are invincible characters who can break anything.
I want you to go back to the first two movies of the OT and tell me what they tell you about Emperor Palpatine. They don't even say his name. They definitely don't explain his powers, they don't tell you anything about how he came to power and it doesn't matter, because that is not the story being told. Even ROTJ ends without the words Sith or Palpatine being said throughout the entire trilogy. He matters only in how he relates to Vader. Snoke is the same. He matters only as a plot device to move Kylo Ren's story. The way to differentiate Kylo Ren from Vader and make him something new and scary was to have him surpass Vader and just become the Emperor figure himself. He's no one's pawn nor is he a tragic figure. He's just embraced the darkness and he seeks to rule. It sets up a far more interesting story for IX.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 17, 2017, 12:31:20 AM
Interesting theory, but if that was Joe's thinking, I think he's being too cute by half.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on March 12, 2017, 12:27:15 PMQuote from: Tony on March 12, 2017, 10:38:00 AMQuote from: Yeti on March 09, 2017, 01:02:42 PM
This move is completely unexciting, but to overreact and be angry about it? No, thanks.
If they don't draft a QB, I'll join you with the pitchforks.
Yep. They need a guy to play quarterback next year. Cutler wasn't going to be that guy. Glennon is a guy. It might as well be Glennon.
But they better draft a QB in the first three rounds. If they don't it's time to burn Halas Hall to the ground.
Honest question: why, exactly, was Cutler never going to be that guy? I mean I know that the fans hate him and he's been a disappointment, on balance, but what would've been the harm in having him come back? He's actually better than Glennon, if that sort of thing means anything anymore.
Quote from: Yeti on March 09, 2017, 01:02:42 PM
This move is completely unexciting, but to overreact and be angry about it? No, thanks.
If they don't draft a QB, I'll join you with the pitchforks.
Quote from: Tonker on February 09, 2017, 01:29:25 AMQuote from: Tony on February 08, 2017, 10:51:20 PMQuote from: Tonker on February 08, 2017, 04:24:33 AM
As a kid I remember watching more or less nothing except Battlestar Galactica, Bonanza, and Buck Rogers.
I thought Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers were the same thing.Quote from: SKO on February 08, 2017, 09:06:46 AM
Re-runs of Sci Fi shows always played well with young audiences, which is why they managed to make 3 seasons of Star Trek play continuously for 20 years
There were only 3 seasons of Star Trek?
You thought that as a kid? Or you thought that up until now?
You know what? It doesn't really matter. Jesus, Tony.
Quote from: Tonker on February 08, 2017, 04:24:33 AM
As a kid I remember watching more or less nothing except Battlestar Galactica, Bonanza, and Buck Rogers.
Quote from: SKO on February 08, 2017, 09:06:46 AM
Re-runs of Sci Fi shows always played well with young audiences, which is why they managed to make 3 seasons of Star Trek play continuously for 20 years
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on January 25, 2017, 02:57:59 PMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 25, 2017, 01:43:34 PMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 31, 2016, 11:01:00 AM
1. Pope Benedict XVI
2. Lamar Odom
3. Beverly Cleary
4. Adam West
5. Yoko Ono
6. Ed O'Bradovich
7. Joe Ricketts
8. Cher
9. Mary Tyler Moore
10. Terry Boers
HIT
#10 on my list.
Quote from: Canadouche on January 15, 2017, 06:50:29 PMQuote from: Bort on January 14, 2017, 08:21:29 PMQuote from: Canadouche on January 14, 2017, 06:16:06 PMQuote from: SKO on January 13, 2017, 11:30:38 AMQuote from: Tony on January 13, 2017, 10:40:12 AM
I DVR'd all the Star Wars movies when they were on TV a couple months ago, and decided to show it to my kid who is not even 2 yet assuming he'd be bored because it wasn't animated. Well, I was wrong. He's obsessed with it. He requests it every damn day. When the Star Wars logo comes on the screen he points and screams and kicks his legs. He waves goodbye to the words on the opening crawl. And he loves R2-D2. That's how he asks for the movie. He hands me the remote and and say "Artoo...Artoo!". So we've watched A New Hope basically every day for a couple months.
When Mrs. Butthead and I left the theater after seeing Rogue One I said something about Red 5 assuming she would be as excited as I was about it because we've watched the battle of Yavin a million times recently, but I got a blank stare back. I guess I didn't marry a nerd.
Same. My son is only about 20 months old but he's already way into it. I'm sure knowing me people think I forced it on him, but no, from the moment that kid saw Darth Vader he fell in love. He walks around doing the breathing noise, playing with an R2 D2 I got him and saying BEEP BOOP, fighting with a lightsaber. I brought all of my old figures home from my folks house and he loves to play with them. We get home every day and he runs to the case and yells "SHABER" which is his way of saying I need to get the Darth Vader figure out and put his lightsaber in his hand.
When he freaks out in the car you can get him to calm down by playing the Imperial March.
It is all I could ever have hoped for as a dad.
I guess I'm in the minority here, but I'm waiting until my kid is a bit older before we show him Star Wars. (In general, we try to limit his tv to about 45 minutes a week, and that's split up over the weekend.) I've been thinking we might watch the Clone Wars when he's 3 or 4, but I want him to be old enough to really follow along and understand the movies before he finds out the big reveal about Vader -- so, maybe when he's 6 or 7.
I saw the big reveal when I was my son's age (four - seeing Empire was my earliest movie theater memory), but I'm neurotypical*, and my son is very much not. I'm really not sure he's fully taking in the plot of anything we watch (he usually runs around the room and only stops to watch occasionally), but I've been avoiding Empire in front of him for that reason. I've watched a New Hope, and a lot of Rebels and Clone Wars, and he loves seeing the action and hearing the music, but I don't think he knows any of the characters at all. I'm hoping once he reaches a point where it's clear he can follow the storyline, I can show him the movies for real.
*Mostly. I have my doubts sometimes about myself in that regard.
I just remember being in either kindergarten or the first grade, and watching A New Hope at my best friend's house. I thought it was amazing, and mesmerizing, but I had no fucking clue what was going on. Then again, he's definitely smarter than I was at his age, so maybe by 4 or 5 he'll be able to follow along. But at this point, he's never watched a movie and I don't think he'd be able to handle one.
Quote from: SKO on January 13, 2017, 02:07:38 PMQuote from: Tony on January 13, 2017, 02:06:09 PMQuote from: SKO on January 13, 2017, 11:30:38 AMQuote from: Tony on January 13, 2017, 10:40:12 AMQuote from: SKO on January 12, 2017, 01:03:07 PM
My wife has probably only watched A New Hope all of the way through with me once, and so she did not remember that Luke was Red 5, so she shot me a weird look when I started chuckling as soon as they showed the original Red 5, since you knew immediately that guy was a goner.
I DVR'd all the Star Wars movies when they were on TV a couple months ago, and decided to show it to my kid who is not even 2 yet assuming he'd be bored because it wasn't animated. Well, I was wrong. He's obsessed with it. He requests it every damn day. When the Star Wars logo comes on the screen he points and screams and kicks his legs. He waves goodbye to the words on the opening crawl. And he loves R2-D2. That's how he asks for the movie. He hands me the remote and and say "Artoo...Artoo!". So we've watched A New Hope basically every day for a couple months.
When Mrs. Butthead and I left the theater after seeing Rogue One I said something about Red 5 assuming she would be as excited as I was about it because we've watched the battle of Yavin a million times recently, but I got a blank stare back. I guess I didn't marry a nerd.
Same. My son is only about 20 months old but he's already way into it. I'm sure knowing me people think I forced it on him, but no, from the moment that kid saw Darth Vader he fell in love. He walks around doing the breathing noise, playing with an R2 D2 I got him and saying BEEP BOOP, fighting with a lightsaber. I brought all of my old figures home from my folks house and he loves to play with them. We get home every day and he runs to the case and yells "SHABER" which is his way of saying I need to get the Darth Vader figure out and put his lightsaber in his hand.
When he freaks out in the car you can get him to calm down by playing the Imperial March.
It is all I could ever have hoped for as a dad.
My mom has accused me of brainwashing her grandson because he watches Star Wars so much. I'm actually getting sick of watching it, but it's easier to play it again than it is to argue with him.
We do the same thing in the car... playing the soundtrack will calm him down pretty quickly.
Has he seen all the movies? I am trying to wait to show him Empire until he's old enough to understand the surprise ending so he gets the full impact of it, but that means watching ANH over and over and over for the foreseeable future.
He'll only pay attention for about 10-15 minutes at a time, tops, so we mostly just watch the lightsaber fights and really any time Darth Vader is doing something, but he likes watching Clone Wars.