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[Quality Start Machine]

To expand on Tonk's song quoting, while there is beauty to be found in a really good album, there is nothing as enjoyable to me as a perfectly crafted single. Phil Spector was capable of doing more in 2 minutes 30 seconds than Pink Floyd could do in a double album.

Neither Nirvana album could capture the disenfranchisement and alienation of youth as perfectly as "Blitzkrieg Bop".

No number of books about Beatlemania could explain what the fuss was all about as neatly as everything from the drum roll to the ending harmony of "She Loves You".

I don't disagree; however, your point is generational.  I would disagree about your conclusions, however.  I'm not about to argue against Phil Spector (or anything that was done in Detroit at the time).  Nor am I going to take anything away from The Ramones.  However, to dismiss Nirvana so brazenly shows nothing except that you came of age about 13 years before I did.

There's no way you can tell me, that as a 19 year old kid going away to college that the angst I felt about what was going on around me, and to me, was somehow less valid than what you went through.  You had The Ramones; we had Nirvana.  One is more relevant than the other because one came earlier.  Teenage angst is a crazy thing, and we may make fun of it in our thirties, but God damn we felt that shit and it made us who we are.

The funny thing is that you didn't even mention what may be the most influential angst in our lifetimes, the hip hop/rap movement.  The evolution of that genre and the voice it gave to millions of youths who had no voice before is completely overlooked.  Granted, as with any sub-genre, it gave rise to a load of crap, but Afrika Bambata and Public Enemy and The Roots are as important to our culture as The Ramones and (putting on the flame suit) The Beach Boys.

Rock N Roll has proven to be an ever-evolving art-form.  We have moved from 2 minute AM singles to wall of sound, record-side length "songs" of the Dead to teenage anger punk to an inner city voice with rap and hip-hop.  And everything in between and back again.  Nothing in rock music is linear, and that's what makes it so fucking awesome.

Arguing about REM vs The Jam is splitting hairs.

Holy shit, do I love rock-n-roll!

You're little.

[williams]

Arguing about REM vs The Jam is splitting hairs.

This.

And this...

http://www.concert.tv/artist/r.e.m./#/video/1182

[5laky]

Arguing about REM vs The Jam is splitting hairs.

This.

And this...

http://www.concert.tv/artist/r.e.m./#/video/1182

So if we can't argue about REM vs the Jam, who can we argue about?

[Tank]

Neither Nirvana album could capture the disenfranchisement and alienation of youth as perfectly as "Blitzkrieg Bop".

No number of books about Beatlemania could explain what the fuss was all about as neatly as everything from the drum roll to the ending harmony of "She Loves You".

Hmmm... What your point, Fork?

Was someone arguing that "Heart Shaped Box" or "Rape Me" or "Lounge Act" or "Come As You Are" were better expressions of raw punk angst than the original and defining single by the definitive punk rock band? (Or that books on the Beatles are better than the Beatles?)

The great thing about music (all art, really) is that a work doesn't necessarily have to be better than any one exemplar of quality to be worthwhile or even really fucking awesome.

If that were the case, I'd have had to stop listening to rock music once I heard "You Really Got Me."

[Tank]

Arguing about REM vs The Jam is splitting hairs.

This.

And this...

http://www.concert.tv/artist/r.e.m./#/video/1182

So if we can't argue about REM vs the Jam, who can we argue about?

How about: "Search and Destroy"... greatest rock song recorded since 1969 or greatest rock song recorded since 1970?

[williams]

Arguing about REM vs The Jam is splitting hairs.

This.

And this...

http://www.concert.tv/artist/r.e.m./#/video/1182

So if we can't argue about REM vs the Jam, who can we argue about?

The Monkees vs. The Beatles?

[5laky]

Arguing about REM vs The Jam is splitting hairs.

This.

And this...

http://www.concert.tv/artist/r.e.m./#/video/1182

So if we can't argue about REM vs the Jam, who can we argue about?

How about: "Search and Destroy"... greatest rock song recorded since 1969 or greatest rock song recorded since 1970?

I was thinking more along the lines of which is the better version of "Even Flow". The Ten original album version or the remastered version with Dave Abbruzzese on drums.

There is a right answer, people.

[bocaj]

To expand on Tonk's song quoting, while there is beauty to be found in a really good album, there is nothing as enjoyable to me as a perfectly crafted single. Phil Spector was capable of doing more in 2 minutes 30 seconds than Pink Floyd could do in a double album.

Neither Nirvana album could capture the disenfranchisement and alienation of youth as perfectly as "Blitzkrieg Bop".

No number of books about Beatlemania could explain what the fuss was all about as neatly as everything from the drum roll to the ending harmony of "She Loves You".

I don't disagree; however, your point is generational.  I would disagree about your conclusions, however.  I'm not about to argue against Phil Spector (or anything that was done in Detroit at the time).  Nor am I going to take anything away from The Ramones.  However, to dismiss Nirvana so brazenly shows nothing except that you came of age about 13 years before I did.

There's no way you can tell me, that as a 19 year old kid going away to college that the angst I felt about what was going on around me, and to me, was somehow less valid than what you went through.  You had The Ramones; we had Nirvana.  One is more relevant than the other because one came earlier.  Teenage angst is a crazy thing, and we may make fun of it in our thirties, but God damn we felt that shit and it made us who we are.

The funny thing is that you didn't even mention what may be the most influential angst in our lifetimes, the hip hop/rap movement.  The evolution of that genre and the voice it gave to millions of youths who had no voice before is completely overlooked.  Granted, as with any sub-genre, it gave rise to a load of crap, but Afrika Bambata and Public Enemy and The Roots are as important to our culture as The Ramones and (putting on the flame suit) The Beach Boys.

Rock N Roll has proven to be an ever-evolving art-form.  We have moved from 2 minute AM singles to wall of sound, record-side length "songs" of the Dead to teenage anger punk to an inner city voice with rap and hip-hop.  And everything in between and back again.  Nothing in rock music is linear, and that's what makes it so fucking awesome.

Arguing about REM vs The Jam is splitting hairs.

Holy shit, do I love rock-n-roll!

I don't care what generation you're a part of, how could you possibly think that The Ramones are anything but unadulterated crap? Sure, they had spunk and all, but I'm still not even sure that they ever decided to write another melody after their first one....

[Quality Start Machine]

To expand on Tonk's song quoting, while there is beauty to be found in a really good album, there is nothing as enjoyable to me as a perfectly crafted single. Phil Spector was capable of doing more in 2 minutes 30 seconds than Pink Floyd could do in a double album.

Neither Nirvana album could capture the disenfranchisement and alienation of youth as perfectly as "Blitzkrieg Bop".

No number of books about Beatlemania could explain what the fuss was all about as neatly as everything from the drum roll to the ending harmony of "She Loves You".

I don't disagree; however, your point is generational.  I would disagree about your conclusions, however.  I'm not about to argue against Phil Spector (or anything that was done in Detroit at the time).  Nor am I going to take anything away from The Ramones.  However, to dismiss Nirvana so brazenly shows nothing except that you came of age about 13 years before I did.

There's no way you can tell me, that as a 19 year old kid going away to college that the angst I felt about what was going on around me, and to me, was somehow less valid than what you went through.  You had The Ramones; we had Nirvana.  One is more relevant than the other because one came earlier.  Teenage angst is a crazy thing, and we may make fun of it in our thirties, but God damn we felt that shit and it made us who we are.

The funny thing is that you didn't even mention what may be the most influential angst in our lifetimes, the hip hop/rap movement.  The evolution of that genre and the voice it gave to millions of youths who had no voice before is completely overlooked.  Granted, as with any sub-genre, it gave rise to a load of crap, but Afrika Bambata and Public Enemy and The Roots are as important to our culture as The Ramones and (putting on the flame suit) The Beach Boys.

Rock N Roll has proven to be an ever-evolving art-form.  We have moved from 2 minute AM singles to wall of sound, record-side length "songs" of the Dead to teenage anger punk to an inner city voice with rap and hip-hop.  And everything in between and back again.  Nothing in rock music is linear, and that's what makes it so fucking awesome.

Arguing about REM vs The Jam is splitting hairs.

Holy shit, do I love rock-n-roll!

I don't care what generation you're a part of, how could you possibly think that The Ramones are anything but unadulterated crap? Sure, they had spunk and all, but I'm still not even sure that they ever decided to write another melody after their first one....

"Rock and roll is all about attitude. you don't have to play the best guitar" - Johnny Thunders

[Tank]

I don't care what generation you're a part of, how could you possibly think that The Ramones are anything but unadulterated crap? Sure, they had spunk and all, but I'm still not even sure that they ever decided to write another melody after their first one....

Rush sucks.

[Tank]

Arguing about REM vs The Jam is splitting hairs.

This.

And this...

http://www.concert.tv/artist/r.e.m./#/video/1182

So if we can't argue about REM vs the Jam, who can we argue about?

How about: "Search and Destroy"... greatest rock song recorded since 1969 or greatest rock song recorded since 1970?

I was thinking more along the lines of which is the better version of "Even Flow". The Ten original album version or the remastered version with Dave Abbruzzese on drums.

There is a right answer, people.

Paul Di'Anno vs. Bruce Dickinson

The answer should be obvious to anyone with taste.

[Jon]

I don't care what generation you're a part of, how could you possibly think that The Ramones are anything but unadulterated crap? Sure, they had spunk and all, but I'm still not even sure that they ever decided to write another melody after their first one....

Rush sucks.

boc is such a fucking boc it hurts.

Oh, and I say Dickinson. Because, Jesus man...POWERSLAVE.

[5laky]

Arguing about REM vs The Jam is splitting hairs.

This.

And this...

http://www.concert.tv/artist/r.e.m./#/video/1182

So if we can't argue about REM vs the Jam, who can we argue about?

How about: "Search and Destroy"... greatest rock song recorded since 1969 or greatest rock song recorded since 1970?

I was thinking more along the lines of which is the better version of "Even Flow". The Ten original album version or the remastered version with Dave Abbruzzese on drums.

There is a right answer, people.

Paul Di'Anno vs. Bruce Dickinson

The answer should be obvious to anyone with taste.

Dickinson without a doubt.

By the way - Dickinson is the worst last name for a father to have.

[Tank]

Men of true taste and distinction.

(Bracing for Tonker...)

[bocaj]

To expand on Tonk's song quoting, while there is beauty to be found in a really good album, there is nothing as enjoyable to me as a perfectly crafted single. Phil Spector was capable of doing more in 2 minutes 30 seconds than Pink Floyd could do in a double album.

Neither Nirvana album could capture the disenfranchisement and alienation of youth as perfectly as "Blitzkrieg Bop".

No number of books about Beatlemania could explain what the fuss was all about as neatly as everything from the drum roll to the ending harmony of "She Loves You".

I don't disagree; however, your point is generational.  I would disagree about your conclusions, however.  I'm not about to argue against Phil Spector (or anything that was done in Detroit at the time).  Nor am I going to take anything away from The Ramones.  However, to dismiss Nirvana so brazenly shows nothing except that you came of age about 13 years before I did.

There's no way you can tell me, that as a 19 year old kid going away to college that the angst I felt about what was going on around me, and to me, was somehow less valid than what you went through.  You had The Ramones; we had Nirvana.  One is more relevant than the other because one came earlier.  Teenage angst is a crazy thing, and we may make fun of it in our thirties, but God damn we felt that shit and it made us who we are.

The funny thing is that you didn't even mention what may be the most influential angst in our lifetimes, the hip hop/rap movement.  The evolution of that genre and the voice it gave to millions of youths who had no voice before is completely overlooked.  Granted, as with any sub-genre, it gave rise to a load of crap, but Afrika Bambata and Public Enemy and The Roots are as important to our culture as The Ramones and (putting on the flame suit) The Beach Boys.

Rock N Roll has proven to be an ever-evolving art-form.  We have moved from 2 minute AM singles to wall of sound, record-side length "songs" of the Dead to teenage anger punk to an inner city voice with rap and hip-hop.  And everything in between and back again.  Nothing in rock music is linear, and that's what makes it so fucking awesome.

Arguing about REM vs The Jam is splitting hairs.

Holy shit, do I love rock-n-roll!

I don't care what generation you're a part of, how could you possibly think that The Ramones are anything but unadulterated crap? Sure, they had spunk and all, but I'm still not even sure that they ever decided to write another melody after their first one....

"Rock and roll is all about attitude. you don't have to play the best guitar" - Johnny Thunders

Was it The Ramones' attitude that they should make shitty music? By the way, good... bad....