Larry Rothschild can eat a bag of dicks

[Bort]

Doesn't erase the 7 years of mixed results he's had prior to this legendary month.

I know I've done some research into this in the past, but his pitching staffs have been in the top 3rd of the NL most of the years he's been here. This was before my SABRYeti days, but I'm pretty sure it's still valid. Rothschild has been more good than bad.

Major League ERA rank:

2009: 5th
2008: 5th
2007: 4th
2006: 24th
2005: 15th
2004: 3rd
2003: 5th

Looks pretty good to me.

Jesus Christ, I'm glad I've blanked most of my memory of 2005/2006.

[Kermit IV]

Doesn't erase the 7 years of mixed results he's had prior to this legendary month.

I know I've done some research into this in the past, but his pitching staffs have been in the top 3rd of the NL most of the years he's been here. This was before my SABRYeti days, but I'm pretty sure it's still valid. Rothschild has been more good than bad.

Major League ERA rank:

2009: 5th
2008: 5th
2007: 4th
2006: 24th
2005: 15th
2004: 3rd
2003: 5th

Looks pretty good to me.

I had to go back and look at the 2006 staff.  Marmol made 13 starts that year.  SeanBearPig made 24 starts.  Juan Mateo even started 10 games.

[R-V]

I'm one of those morans who think pitching and hitting coaches are pretty much irrelevant. I'd rather reserve my hate for the sorry bastards on the field.

[Bort]

I'm one of those morans who think pitching and hitting coaches are pretty much irrelevant. I'd rather reserve my hate for the sorry bastards on the field.

I've got enough hate to go around, though.

[MAD]

Doesn't erase the 7 years of mixed results he's had prior to this legendary month.

I know I've done some research into this in the past, but his pitching staffs have been in the top 3rd of the NL most of the years he's been here. This was before my SABRYeti days, but I'm pretty sure it's still valid. Rothschild has been more good than bad.

Major League ERA rank:

2009: 5th
2008: 5th
2007: 4th
2006: 24th
2005: 15th
2004: 3rd
2003: 5th

Looks pretty good to me.

Not pictured:

2002: 18th

Also, prior to Larry's arrival.

2001: 7th (Oscar Acosta)

Not saying he's a bowl of shit, just saying specialist coaches in baseball rarely deserve splooges, cuz next thing you know a team will be giving an 800k contract to one.  My issue with Rothschild is that he seems to enjoy a  very strong reputation, but as the numbers above indicate, he's done well when he's got quality starters staying healthy and, when he doesn't have quality starters healthy, he doesn't do so well.  Nothing wrong with that, but there's also no mystery there; it just makes him more ordinary than his reputation warrants, that's all.  I'm not expecting him to take a sack of shit rotation like he had in 2006 and 2002 and run them in to the top half of the league, but of course that's because I don't think he's exceptional at his job to begin with. The best thing I can say is that he hasn't fucked up when he's been handed a quality, healthy staff.  He's apparently done a good job with Lilly and Dempster, but I'd like to see more retreads turn their careers around--like Mazzone did in Atlanta and like Dave Duncan and His Magical Medicine Cabinet has done in St. Louis--before I start blowing the guy.  

If it makes BeefHearts happy, I'll tip my hat to Larry for an exceptional April.  If he gets Carlos Silva turned around for the whole season, I'll wash his car for a year.  Beyond that, this is a bigger waste of time than most of the threads here.

[BH]

Not pictured:

2002: 18th

Also, prior to Larry's arrival.

2001: 7th (Oscar Acosta)

Not saying he's a bowl of shit, just saying specialist coaches in baseball rarely deserve splooges, cuz next thing you know a team will be giving an 800k contract to one.  My issue with Rothschild is that he seems to enjoy a  very strong reputation, but as the numbers above indicate, he's done well when he's got quality starters staying healthy and, when he doesn't have quality starters healthy, he doesn't do so well.  Nothing wrong with that, but there's also no mystery there; it just makes him more ordinary than his reputation warrants, that's all.  I'm not expecting him to take a sack of shit rotation like he had in 2006 rand 2002 and run them in to the top half of the league, but of course that's because I don't think he's exceptional at his job to begin with. The best thing I can say is that he hasn't fucked up when he's been handed a quality, healthy staff.  He's apparently done a good job with Lilly and Dempster, but I'd like to see more retreads turn their careers around--like Mazzone did in Atlanta and like Dave Duncan and His Magical Medicine Cabinet has done in St. Louis--before I start blowing the guy.  

If it makes BeefHearts happy, I'll tip my hat to Larry for an exceptional April.  If he gets Carlos Silva turned around for the whole season, I'll wash his car for a year.  Beyond that, this is a bigger waste of time than most of the threads here.

Thanks for writing 8 pages of words to clarify this waste of your time.

[MAD]

Not pictured:

2002: 18th

Also, prior to Larry's arrival.

2001: 7th (Oscar Acosta)

Not saying he's a bowl of shit, just saying specialist coaches in baseball rarely deserve splooges, cuz next thing you know a team will be giving an 800k contract to one.  My issue with Rothschild is that he seems to enjoy a  very strong reputation, but as the numbers above indicate, he's done well when he's got quality starters staying healthy and, when he doesn't have quality starters healthy, he doesn't do so well.  Nothing wrong with that, but there's also no mystery there; it just makes him more ordinary than his reputation warrants, that's all.  I'm not expecting him to take a sack of shit rotation like he had in 2006 rand 2002 and run them in to the top half of the league, but of course that's because I don't think he's exceptional at his job to begin with. The best thing I can say is that he hasn't fucked up when he's been handed a quality, healthy staff.  He's apparently done a good job with Lilly and Dempster, but I'd like to see more retreads turn their careers around--like Mazzone did in Atlanta and like Dave Duncan and His Magical Medicine Cabinet has done in St. Louis--before I start blowing the guy.  

If it makes BeefHearts happy, I'll tip my hat to Larry for an exceptional April.  If he gets Carlos Silva turned around for the whole season, I'll wash his car for a year.  Beyond that, this is a bigger waste of time than most of the threads here.

Thanks for writing 8 pages of words to clarify this waste of your time.

You're welcome.

When are you going to right the wrong that is the "Fuck Benny Cadahia in the Ass" thread?

[CBStew]

Not saying he's a bowl of shit, just saying specialist coaches in baseball rarely deserve splooges, cuz next thing you know a team will be giving an 800k contract to one.  

My dyslexic brain at first read "socialist coaches" and I had to look back to see if Mike C was posting.

[Yeti]

I'm with RV on the "specialty coaches are irrelevant" bandwagon. Like Mike Douche said, there are a few people who seem to have to done wonders with people, like Mazzone and Duncan, but those are few and far between. It all comes down to the players. Rothschild has had some quality pitching staffs, and my point that he's been more good than bad is more of a contention of people to say he sucks. I'd positive the "he's average" assessment. Larr's alright in my book. He hasn't killed the players, something Dave Duncan can't say.

[Kermit IV]

I'm with RV on the "specialty coaches are irrelevant" bandwagon. Like Mike Douche said, there are a few people who seem to have to done wonders with people, like Mazzone and Duncan, but those are few and far between. It all comes down to the players. Rothschild has had some quality pitching staffs, and my point that he's been more good than bad is more of a contention of people to say he sucks. I'd positive the "he's average" assessment. Larr's alright in my book. He hasn't killed the players, something Dave Duncan can't say.

Has Mazzone really done anything, honestly?  When he had Hall-of-Famers Maddux, Smoltz, and Glavine, he was a genius.  When he had bad staffs in Baltimore, they continued being bad.

[Oleg]

Doesn't erase the 7 years of mixed results he's had prior to this legendary month.

I know I've done some research into this in the past, but his pitching staffs have been in the top 3rd of the NL most of the years he's been here. This was before my SABRYeti days, but I'm pretty sure it's still valid. Rothschild has been more good than bad.

Major League ERA rank:

2009: 5th
2008: 5th
2007: 4th
2006: 24th
2005: 15th
2004: 3rd
2003: 5th

Looks pretty good to me.

Not pictured:

2002: 18th

Also, prior to Larry's arrival.

2001: 7th (Oscar Acosta)

Not saying he's a bowl of shit, just saying specialist coaches in baseball rarely deserve splooges, cuz next thing you know a team will be giving an 800k contract to one.  My issue with Rothschild is that he seems to enjoy a  very strong reputation, but as the numbers above indicate, he's done well when he's got quality starters staying healthy and, when he doesn't have quality starters healthy, he doesn't do so well.  Nothing wrong with that, but there's also no mystery there; it just makes him more ordinary than his reputation warrants, that's all.  I'm not expecting him to take a sack of shit rotation like he had in 2006 and 2002 and run them in to the top half of the league, but of course that's because I don't think he's exceptional at his job to begin with. The best thing I can say is that he hasn't fucked up when he's been handed a quality, healthy staff.  He's apparently done a good job with Lilly and Dempster, but I'd like to see more retreads turn their careers around--like Mazzone did in Atlanta and like Dave Duncan and His Magical Medicine Cabinet has done in St. Louis--before I start blowing the guy.  

If it makes BeefHearts happy, I'll tip my hat to Larry for an exceptional April.  If he gets Carlos Silva turned around for the whole season, I'll wash his car for a year.  Beyond that, this is a bigger waste of time than most of the threads here.

I'm not sure just how BH feels about it, but I'm guessing he has no issues with being referred to as BeefHeart.

[MAD]

I'm with RV on the "specialty coaches are irrelevant" bandwagon. Like Mike Douche said, there are a few people who seem to have to done wonders with people, like Mazzone and Duncan, but those are few and far between. It all comes down to the players. Rothschild has had some quality pitching staffs, and my point that he's been more good than bad is more of a contention of people to say he sucks. I'd positive the "he's average" assessment. Larr's alright in my book. He hasn't killed the players, something Dave Duncan can't say.

Has Mazzone really done anything, honestly?  When he had Hall-of-Famers Maddux, Smoltz, and Glavine, he was a genius.  When he had bad staffs in Baltimore, they continued being bad.

You could argue that he helped develop Glavine and Smoltz.  He got a 20 win season out of Deanny Neagle. He kind of turned around Mike Hampton after the latter's abortion in Denver.  He managed to squeeze some juice out of the rotting corpses of Shane Reynolds and John Burkett.  Kevin Millpool also seemed to have his best seasons in Atlanta.  Got a good year out of Damian Moss before he disappeared.  On the other hand, Leo didn't do much with Jason Marquis and Odalis Perez, two guys who enjoyed better success after leaving him.

And certainly, Leo's experience in Maryland rubbed a lot of luster off his accomplishments, but then again, Baltimore seems to have developed as a true vortex of suck these days.  I still think Mazzone was a very effective coach for Atlanta but who knows?  Maybe he was just lucky.

[Eli]

You could argue that he helped develop Glavine and Smoltz.

And it's probably a decent argument, since neither of the two were all that impressive or highly-touted before they got to the majors.

[SKO]

You could argue that he helped develop Glavine and Smoltz.

And it's probably a decent argument, since neither of the two were all that impressive or highly-touted before they got to the majors.

This is true. I have a Tom Glavine rookie card where they forecast a bright future for him out of the bullpen.

[Kermit IV]

I'm with RV on the "specialty coaches are irrelevant" bandwagon. Like Mike Douche said, there are a few people who seem to have to done wonders with people, like Mazzone and Duncan, but those are few and far between. It all comes down to the players. Rothschild has had some quality pitching staffs, and my point that he's been more good than bad is more of a contention of people to say he sucks. I'd positive the "he's average" assessment. Larr's alright in my book. He hasn't killed the players, something Dave Duncan can't say.

Has Mazzone really done anything, honestly?  When he had Hall-of-Famers Maddux, Smoltz, and Glavine, he was a genius.  When he had bad staffs in Baltimore, they continued being bad.

You could argue that he helped develop Glavine and Smoltz.  He got a 20 win season out of Deanny Neagle. He kind of turned around Mike Hampton after the latter's abortion in Denver.  He managed to squeeze some juice out of the rotting corpses of Shane Reynolds and John Burkett.  Kevin Millpool also seemed to have his best seasons in Atlanta.  Got a good year out of Damian Moss before he disappeared.  On the other hand, Leo didn't do much with Jason Marquis and Odalis Perez, two guys who enjoyed better success after leaving him.

And certainly, Leo's experience in Maryland rubbed a lot of luster off his accomplishments, but then again, Baltimore seems to have developed as a true vortex of suck these days.  I still think Mazzone was a very effective coach for Atlanta but who knows?  Maybe he was just lucky.

Good stuff.  I was legitimately asking, not being snarky.