Pollyellon banned me

[J. Walter Weatherman]

So his prospect rating is still pretty high eh? Either way it doesn't sound like he's a 2011 arrival.

Nope, 2012 at the earliest. More likely in 2013.

Yeah... He's only 19 (20 in November), with 648 ABs between low-A and A short-season A and low-A.

Technically'd

[Slaky]

From there, the reason you would do this move (Ramirez->1st, DeWitt->3rd) is mainly because your farm system is deeper in the middle infield than the corner infield spots (unless HOFF comes back up, of course). And yes, many of those guys down there are Theriots at the plate, but if they're Castros defensively, they'll be serviceable.

If the Cubs move Ramirez to first, Dewitt to third and bring up a random middle infielder to play second (say, Darwin Barney), they may not even get 40 home runs from their entire starting infield.  Everyone would need to field like Ozzie Smith for them to be serviceable.

Can't argue that. I suppose I'm more looking at it to where this situation occurs if the Cubs make a choice to shed salary, and consequently suck (more than this year).

I think I finally understand what you're doing. You're just trying too hard.

Does anyone really have high hopes for Hak Ju Lee? He's not that good of a prospect, is he? He's fast and tiny. I don't think he does much else.

PenFoe's wife told me that, too.

My wife told you that you're trying too hard?

No.  That you're fast and tiny.

SELF BURN.

[Eli]

So his prospect rating is still pretty high eh? Either way it doesn't sound like he's a 2011 arrival.

Nope, 2012 at the earliest. More likely in 2013.

Vitters, Castro, Lee and Soriano L-to-R in 2012.

And Murton-Jackson-Colvin in the OF.  It's gonna be awesome.

[Saul Goodman]

So his prospect rating is still pretty high eh? Either way it doesn't sound like he's a 2011 arrival.

Nope, 2012 at the earliest. More likely in 2013.

Vitters, Castro, Lee and Soriano L-to-R in 2012.

And Murton-Jackson-Colvin in the OF.  It's gonna be awesome.

And a rotation of Simpson-Cashner-Wells-Samardzija-Jackson.

[Yeti]

So his prospect rating is still pretty high eh? Either way it doesn't sound like he's a 2011 arrival.

Nope, 2012 at the earliest. More likely in 2013.

Vitters, Castro, Lee and Soriano L-to-R in 2012.

And Murton-Jackson-Colvin in the OF.  It's gonna be awesome.

And a rotation of Simpson-Cashner-Wells-Samardzija-Jackson.

Castillo behind the plate

[J. Walter Weatherman]

So his prospect rating is still pretty high eh? Either way it doesn't sound like he's a 2011 arrival.

Nope, 2012 at the earliest. More likely in 2013.

Vitters, Castro, Lee and Soriano L-to-R in 2012.

And Murton-Jackson-Colvin in the OF.  It's gonna be awesome.

And a rotation of Simpson-Cashner-Wells-Samardzija-Jackson.

Castillo behind the plate

Prior closing out of the pen.

[CT III]

So his prospect rating is still pretty high eh? Either way it doesn't sound like he's a 2011 arrival.

Nope, 2012 at the earliest. More likely in 2013.

Vitters, Castro, Lee and Soriano L-to-R in 2012.

And Murton-Jackson-Colvin in the OF.  It's gonna be awesome.

And a rotation of Simpson-Cashner-Wells-Samardzija-Jackson.

Castillo behind the plate

Prior closing out of the pen.

With Sandberg in the dugout and Maddux running the front office.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

So his prospect rating is still pretty high eh? Either way it doesn't sound like he's a 2011 arrival.

Nope, 2012 at the earliest. More likely in 2013.

Vitters, Castro, Lee and Soriano L-to-R in 2012.

And Murton-Jackson-Colvin in the OF.  It's gonna be awesome.

And a rotation of Simpson-Cashner-Wells-Samardzija-Jackson.

Castillo behind the plate

Prior closing out of the pen.

With Sandberg in the dugout and Maddux running the front office.

And Larry Rothschild molding the minds of the young pitching staff.

[Eli]

So his prospect rating is still pretty high eh? Either way it doesn't sound like he's a 2011 arrival.

Nope, 2012 at the earliest. More likely in 2013.

Vitters, Castro, Lee and Soriano L-to-R in 2012.

And Murton-Jackson-Colvin in the OF.  It's gonna be awesome.

And a rotation of Simpson-Cashner-Wells-Samardzija-Jackson.

Castillo behind the plate

Prior closing out of the pen.

With Sandberg in the dugout and Maddux running the front office.

This all sounds good for about 73 or maybe even 74 wins.

[PenPho]

So his prospect rating is still pretty high eh? Either way it doesn't sound like he's a 2011 arrival.

Nope, 2012 at the earliest. More likely in 2013.

Vitters, Castro, Lee and Soriano L-to-R in 2012.

And Murton-Jackson-Colvin in the OF.  It's gonna be awesome.

And a rotation of Simpson-Cashner-Wells-Samardzija-Jackson.

Castillo behind the plate

Prior closing out of the pen.

With Sandberg in the dugout and Maddux running the front office.

This all sounds good for about 73 or maybe even 74 wins.

Top 15 pick!

[Saul Goodman]

So his prospect rating is still pretty high eh? Either way it doesn't sound like he's a 2011 arrival.

Nope, 2012 at the earliest. More likely in 2013.

Vitters, Castro, Lee and Soriano L-to-R in 2012.

And Murton-Jackson-Colvin in the OF.  It's gonna be awesome.

And a rotation of Simpson-Cashner-Wells-Samardzija-Jackson.

Castillo behind the plate

Prior closing out of the pen.

With Sandberg in the dugout and Maddux running the front office.

This all sounds good for about 73 or maybe even 74 wins.

Top 15 pick!

RYNO's Opening Day Line-Up:
Jackson cf
Castro ss
Ramirez 1b
Colvin rf
Vitters 3b
Murton lf
Castillo c
Lee 2b
Simpson p

[Internet Apex]

So his prospect rating is still pretty high eh? Either way it doesn't sound like he's a 2011 arrival.

Nope, 2012 at the earliest. More likely in 2013.

Vitters, Castro, Lee and Soriano L-to-R in 2012.

And Murton-Jackson-Colvin in the OF.  It's gonna be awesome.

And a rotation of Simpson-Cashner-Wells-Samardzija-Jackson.

Castillo behind the plate

Prior closing out of the pen.

With Sandberg in the dugout and Maddux running the front office.

This all sounds good for about 73 or maybe even 74 wins.

Top 15 pick!

RYNO's Opening Day Line-Up:
Jackson cf
Castro ss
Ramirez 1b
Colvin rf
Vitters 3b
Murton lf
Castillo c
Lee 2b
Simpson p

Announcers:
Kurt Evans, Al Yellon - TV

Brian Crosier solo on radio.

[Bonk]

When pitchers have to bear down and get him out to get out of a jam, they can usually do it.

Do you have any evidence at all that proves this?

Well, I watched him play for the Reds just about every night while he was here in Cinci, and also how about a shitty career batting average with RISP?

Surely, if you're trying to establish how often he gets out when the pitcher is in a jam, you should be looking at OBP with RISP?  Even if you maintain (and I expect you do) that you should be swinging, not walking in those circumstances, then the more interesting number would be SLG with RISP.  Batting average with RISP is only as helpful as batting average in any other circumstances : not very.

His career OBP with RISP is .413, by the way, and his SLG is .482 for an OPS with RISP of .895.

I still wouldn't sign him, but for the reasons that JD has given, and not because you've seen him a couple of times in Cincy and have a hunch that he's not very good.

So, in conclusion :  your Mum.

EDIT : I hadn't seen Yeti's previous post when I wrote this.  I don't know what's more embarrassing - that I've repeated what he said, or that I actually appear to agree with him.  Maybe it's that Bonk is still flogging this dead horse.  Yes, that's it.

If you mean by watching him a couple of times that I saw him play 600 or 700 games, then yes, that's what a couple means. The main difference between OBP and AVG is walks, which I agree is helpful in determining overall player impact, but how much does it help to determine how often a guy is pitched around with a runner on second, a runner on third or runners on second and third?

[Bonk]

I don't get it...didn't you just rip on Blake Dewitt's power.

And now we're moving him to third base?

Yes, I did indeed. Fagstats indicate that he's decently better at 3B (with an admittedly smaller sample size than 2B). Positional adjustments are the same for 2B and 3B, so, yea. Move the new (but hated infinitely less) Ryan Theriot over there. I'm good with it.

Well, I watched him play for the Reds just about every night while he was here in Cinci, and also how about a shitty career batting average with RISP?

I'll love watching him in the Chi and FYB every dong that fucker hits.

Surely, if you're trying to establish how often he gets out when the pitcher is in a jam, you should be looking at OBP with RISP?  Even if you maintain (and I expect you do) that you should be swinging, not walking in those circumstances, then the more interesting number would be SLG with RISP.  Batting average with RISP is only as helpful as batting average in any other circumstances : not very.

His career OBP with RISP is .413, by the way, and his SLG is .482 for an OPS with RISP of .895.

I still wouldn't sign him, but for the reasons that JD has given, and not because you've seen him a couple of times in Cincy and have a hunch that he's not very good.

So, in conclusion :  your Mum.

EDIT : I hadn't seen Yeti's previous post when I wrote this.  I don't know what's more embarrassing - that I've repeated what he said, or that I actually appear to agree with him.  Maybe it's that Bonk is still flogging this dead horse.  Yes, that's it.

Hey, you can never argue with the Bill Simmons proven method of WATCHING players in person. Never. Fucking. Fails.

Anyway, Dunn is a nice player that I wouldn't mind seeing here for 2 years at 12.5 million per year. Anything more is a little more than I'm wanting to go. Maybe $15 million per year, but that's pushing it.

You're right. Scouts should just read stats books instead of going to games. You would've been Marge Schott's best friend.

I don't think $12.5 for 2 is that bad, but a) I think he'll go for more than that, b) the Cubs could use that money to address other problems, like paying a janitor to clean out Hendry's office, and c) this bouncing screen when you get past about 40 lines when typing on this site really sucks. What's up with that?

[Eli]

The main difference between OBP and AVG is walks

Finally, someone explains it.