Pollyellon banned me

[Bonk]

Actually, I would like to address this. Why? Well, I do like being an incessant prick who argues things with people who I perceive as dumber than myself. Where did you get that number? Is that some streak he had that Cincinnati reported on? And was this "900 Plate Appearances with a runner on third and less than 2 outs"? Because that's about the only time you can get a Sac Fly (minus the rare second to third ones). How can you judge a guy on a situational stat (much like RBIs, but that's for a different day, maybe tomorrow when you start using those to argue points) and use a span of "900 plate appearances" to indicate that HE did something wrong?

Now, I assume this stretch must have occurred in 2004 (and surrounding seasons) because he had no Sac Flies. However, he only had 44 PAs in that situation (Runner on 3rd, less than 2 outs). So, you're butthurt over that?

/reinserts Adam's huge fucking donkey dong

I'm pretty sure a batter is not credited with a SAC Fly (and is charged with an AB) on any flyout wherein the runner tags from any other base other than third and advances to the next base.

And yes, Dunn had some ridonkulous streak where he hadn't had a SAC fly in ages.  Why Bonk thinks that this sort of statistical aberration fairly signifies a blight on Dunn's career is beyond me, but here we are.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/this-week-in-sacrifice-flies-cincinnatis-ad-8038

Actually the streak reached 1,085. It just typifies how a guy who's supposed to be a wood-inducing RBI guy really doesn't do the pre-2010 A-Ram things to get runners home.

[Eli]

Why Bonk thinks that this sort of statistical aberration fairly signifies a blight on Dunn's career is beyond me, but here we are.

Because he's Bonk.

And, as you said, Dunn's sac fly streak is probably purely a statistical aberration. There are fluky stats all the time. The NFC has won 13 straight Super Bowl coin tosses.  Maybe the AFC should finally just nut up and stop being such a selfish jerk.

[Bonk]

Why Bonk thinks that this sort of statistical aberration fairly signifies a blight on Dunn's career is beyond me, but here we are.

Because he's Bonk.

And, as you said, Dunn's sac fly streak is probably purely a statistical aberration. There are fluky stats all the time. The NFC has won 13 straight Super Bowl coin tosses.  Maybe the AFC should finally just nut up and stop being such a selfish jerk.

Or symptomatic of a guy who doesn't get the job done with men in scoring position.

Should a power, supposed RBI-producing stud not be thinking fly ball in that situation?

At-bat = coin toss? I get it, real baseball is just random, like rolling dice on your Strat-O-Matic game.

[Saul Goodman]

Actually, I would like to address this. Why? Well, I do like being an incessant prick who argues things with people who I perceive as dumber than myself. Where did you get that number? Is that some streak he had that Cincinnati reported on? And was this "900 Plate Appearances with a runner on third and less than 2 outs"? Because that's about the only time you can get a Sac Fly (minus the rare second to third ones). How can you judge a guy on a situational stat (much like RBIs, but that's for a different day, maybe tomorrow when you start using those to argue points) and use a span of "900 plate appearances" to indicate that HE did something wrong?

Now, I assume this stretch must have occurred in 2004 (and surrounding seasons) because he had no Sac Flies. However, he only had 44 PAs in that situation (Runner on 3rd, less than 2 outs). So, you're butthurt over that?

/reinserts Adam's huge fucking donkey dong

I'm pretty sure a batter is not credited with a SAC Fly (and is charged with an AB) on any flyout wherein the runner tags from any other base other than third and advances to the next base.

And yes, Dunn had some ridonkulous streak where he hadn't had a SAC fly in ages.  Why Bonk thinks that this sort of statistical aberration fairly signifies a blight on Dunn's career is beyond me, but here we are.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/this-week-in-sacrifice-flies-cincinnatis-ad-8038

Actually the streak reached 1,085. It just typifies how a guy who's supposed to be a wood-inducing RBI guy really doesn't do the pre-2010 A-Ram things to get runners home.

Out of all the stats, RBIs are clearly the best.  Dunn has only topped 100 in a season five times.  What a selfish asshole.  Sorry, Borb.  Bonk is teh new truth.

[Chuck to Chuck]

Should a power, supposed RBI-producing stud not be thinking fly ball in that situation?

Jedi mind trick in baseball!  Neat!

[Bonk]

Should a power, supposed RBI-producing stud not be thinking fly ball in that situation?

Jedi mind trick in baseball!  Neat!

I totally forgot, this is a Bill James is omnipotent board. Outs are always bad. Strike my comments in this thread.

[Internet Apex]

How many K's in those 44 PAs? How many RBI?

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

How many K's in those 44 PAs? How many RBI?

Look 'em up yourself, you lazy, outsourcing bastard.

[morpheus]

Actually, I would like to address this. Why? Well, I do like being an incessant prick who argues things with people who I perceive as dumber than myself. Where did you get that number? Is that some streak he had that Cincinnati reported on? And was this "900 Plate Appearances with a runner on third and less than 2 outs"? Because that's about the only time you can get a Sac Fly (minus the rare second to third ones). How can you judge a guy on a situational stat (much like RBIs, but that's for a different day, maybe tomorrow when you start using those to argue points) and use a span of "900 plate appearances" to indicate that HE did something wrong?

Now, I assume this stretch must have occurred in 2004 (and surrounding seasons) because he had no Sac Flies. However, he only had 44 PAs in that situation (Runner on 3rd, less than 2 outs). So, you're butthurt over that?

/reinserts Adam's huge fucking donkey dong

I'm pretty sure a batter is not credited with a SAC Fly (and is charged with an AB) on any flyout wherein the runner tags from any other base other than third and advances to the next base.

And yes, Dunn had some ridonkulous streak where he hadn't had a SAC fly in ages.  Why Bonk thinks that this sort of statistical aberration fairly signifies a blight on Dunn's career is beyond me, but here we are.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/this-week-in-sacrifice-flies-cincinnatis-ad-8038

Actually the streak reached 1,085. It just typifies how a guy who's supposed to be a wood-inducing RBI guy really doesn't do the pre-2010 A-Ram things to get runners home.

OK, I'll bite.  No, it doesn't do that at all.  Because he didn't go 1,085 PA without a sac fly.  He only went 44 (assuming Yeti's number is approximately right).  He cannot control whether or not he comes up in a sac fly situation, only whether or not he performs when he does come up in such a situation.  It's the same flawed logic that assumes that RBI is a meaningful statistic - a player cannot control whether or not the players in front of him get on base so he can drive them in.  Take D-Lee in 2005 - the poor guy had Korey and Neifi bat in front of him at times, which hurt his triple crown chances because he couldn't get the RBIs.  Is that his fault?

[Bonk]

Actually, I would like to address this. Why? Well, I do like being an incessant prick who argues things with people who I perceive as dumber than myself. Where did you get that number? Is that some streak he had that Cincinnati reported on? And was this "900 Plate Appearances with a runner on third and less than 2 outs"? Because that's about the only time you can get a Sac Fly (minus the rare second to third ones). How can you judge a guy on a situational stat (much like RBIs, but that's for a different day, maybe tomorrow when you start using those to argue points) and use a span of "900 plate appearances" to indicate that HE did something wrong?

Now, I assume this stretch must have occurred in 2004 (and surrounding seasons) because he had no Sac Flies. However, he only had 44 PAs in that situation (Runner on 3rd, less than 2 outs). So, you're butthurt over that?

/reinserts Adam's huge fucking donkey dong

I'm pretty sure a batter is not credited with a SAC Fly (and is charged with an AB) on any flyout wherein the runner tags from any other base other than third and advances to the next base.

And yes, Dunn had some ridonkulous streak where he hadn't had a SAC fly in ages.  Why Bonk thinks that this sort of statistical aberration fairly signifies a blight on Dunn's career is beyond me, but here we are.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/this-week-in-sacrifice-flies-cincinnatis-ad-8038

Actually the streak reached 1,085. It just typifies how a guy who's supposed to be a wood-inducing RBI guy really doesn't do the pre-2010 A-Ram things to get runners home.

OK, I'll bite.  No, it doesn't do that at all.  Because he didn't go 1,085 PA without a sac fly.  He only went 44 (assuming Yeti's number is approximately right).  He cannot control whether or not he comes up in a sac fly situation, only whether or not he performs when he does come up in such a situation.  It's the same flawed logic that assumes that RBI is a meaningful statistic - a player cannot control whether or not the players in front of him get on base so he can drive them in.  Take D-Lee in 2005 - the poor guy had Korey and Neifi bat in front of him at times, which hurt his triple crown chances because he couldn't get the RBIs.  Is that his fault?

Yeti said he had 44 PA in 2004, not during the whole streak.

RBI is a bad stat? I think we're done here.

[R-V]

I like it when Bonk shows up, because he reminds me that meatball fans still exist even in the enlightened space of the Desipiotubes.

I still don't understand why it's a tick AGAINST Dunn that pitchers would pitch around him. How is this his fault? And isn't it a sign that pitchers - who sometimes base their pitching strategy on SCOUTING reports prepared by Tocco-esque SCOUTS, not printouts from the Bill James Queeromatic 5000atron Machine - respect him, and therefore he might be a pretty good hitter?

[Saul Goodman]

I like it when Bonk shows up, because he reminds me that meatball fans still exist even in the enlightened space of the Desipiotubes.

I still don't understand why it's a tick AGAINST Dunn that pitchers would pitch around him. How is this his fault? And isn't it a sign that pitchers - who sometimes base their pitching strategy on SCOUTING reports prepared by Tocco-esque SCOUTS, not printouts from the Bill James Queeromatic 5000atron Machine - respect him, and therefore he might be a pretty good hitter?

Can I get one of these on eBay to send to Tom Ricketts?

[Bort]

RBI is a bad stat? I think we're done here.

I should say so.

[CBStew]

Actually, I would like to address this. Why? Well, I do like being an incessant prick who argues things with people who I perceive as dumber than myself. Where did you get that number? Is that some streak he had that Cincinnati reported on? And was this "900 Plate Appearances with a runner on third and less than 2 outs"? Because that's about the only time you can get a Sac Fly (minus the rare second to third ones). How can you judge a guy on a situational stat (much like RBIs, but that's for a different day, maybe tomorrow when you start using those to argue points) and use a span of "900 plate appearances" to indicate that HE did something wrong?

Now, I assume this stretch must have occurred in 2004 (and surrounding seasons) because he had no Sac Flies. However, he only had 44 PAs in that situation (Runner on 3rd, less than 2 outs). So, you're butthurt over that?

/reinserts Adam's huge fucking donkey dong

I'm pretty sure a batter is not credited with a SAC Fly (and is charged with an AB) on any flyout wherein the runner tags from any other base other than third and advances to the next base.

And yes, Dunn had some ridonkulous streak where he hadn't had a SAC fly in ages.  Why Bonk thinks that this sort of statistical aberration fairly signifies a blight on Dunn's career is beyond me, but here we are.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/this-week-in-sacrifice-flies-cincinnatis-ad-8038

Actually the streak reached 1,085. It just typifies how a guy who's supposed to be a wood-inducing RBI guy really doesn't do the pre-2010 A-Ram things to get runners home.

OK, I'll bite.  No, it doesn't do that at all.  Because he didn't go 1,085 PA without a sac fly.  He only went 44 (assuming Yeti's number is approximately right).  He cannot control whether or not he comes up in a sac fly situation, only whether or not he performs when he does come up in such a situation.  It's the same flawed logic that assumes that RBI is a meaningful statistic - a player cannot control whether or not the players in front of him get on base so he can drive them in.  Take D-Lee in 2005 - the poor guy had Korey and Neifi bat in front of him at times, which hurt his triple crown chances because he couldn't get the RBIs.  Is that his fault?

Au contraire.  If he were any kind of a  leader he would take those batting before him in the inning by their necks and scare their little butts into getting on base and over to third.

[Bonk]

I like it when Bonk shows up, because he reminds me that meatball fans still exist even in the enlightened space of the Desipiotubes.

I still don't understand why it's a tick AGAINST Dunn that pitchers would pitch around him. How is this his fault? And isn't it a sign that pitchers - who sometimes base their pitching strategy on SCOUTING reports prepared by Tocco-esque SCOUTS, not printouts from the Bill James Queeromatic 5000atron Machine - respect him, and therefore he might be a pretty good hitter?

And some people here remind me how out of touch with reality statheads can be.

Also, show me where I said walks are bad with RISP? I think BA is more important because unless he walks with the bases clogged, that's the only way runs score. You know, runs? That's how wins and losses are measured, in case you'd forgotten, and he's paid to drive them in.