The Atheist Communist Caliphate Made Flesh, Spread the Clusterfuck Around Thread

[Dr. Nguyen Van Falk]

TJ's in a Conservative Fantasy World if he thinks that the scenario Hawk lays out would not result in a storm of vitriol from the right decrying Obama's "jack-booted thugs".

Along with sarcastic remarks about "Hope", "Change" and "Transparency".

These fucktards with the guns have to understand, this is a country where we have the opportunity for regime change every 4 years. The fact that we can change leaders without anyone dying is what makes us better than other countries.

You didn't like November's election? Work harder in 2012.

It's not my fault that the McCain 2000 was the Beatles and the McCain 2008 was Wings.

I've read two Fork posts today, and I agree with both of them.

So the more on-the-rag I am, the better I seem to guys like you?

If it means you're only posting 3-5 days a month, then yes.

That's only 631 posts a month, though.  How would he survive?

Same way I do now, feeding off the menstrual blood of little tools who have been forced into a life of celibacy by their own inadequacies.

Fork eats menstrual blood?

[Dr. Nguyen Van Falk]

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/ernest_hancock_viper_militia_gun_obama_event.php

Ernest Hancock, the online radio host who staged an interview with an assault rifle-wielding cohort at the Obama event in Arizona yesterday -- and was himself armed with a 9 millimeter pistol -- was a vocal supporter and friend of right-wing anti-government militia members who were convicted of conspiracy and weapons charges in the 90s.

And in an interview today with TPMmuckraker, Hancock said he still believes the Viper Militia case was "manufactured" by the same government that manufactured Waco and lied to its people about 9/11.

The federal government initially accused the Arizona Viper Militia of plotting to blow up federal buildings, which the twelve-member group cased on videotape.

In July 1996, after a grand jury indicted the suspects, federal agents "seized about 90 high-powered rifles and hundreds of pounds of a bomb-making compound from the shabby bungalow of a man whom officials identified as the ordnance specialist of a local paramilitary group," the New York Times reported at the time.

Hancock, who in recent years designed the famous "Ron Paul rEVOLution" graphic, was an oft-quoted defender of the militia members. The tapes of the government buildings, he said at the time, were purely "educational."

"They don't have criminal records," another press account quoted Hancock, who knew all twelve militia members, as saying. "They just like their guns. And in Arizona, gosh darn it, that's normal."

He designed the graphic. But did he pilot the zeppelin?

[Philberto]

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/ernest_hancock_viper_militia_gun_obama_event.php

Ernest Hancock, the online radio host who staged an interview with an assault rifle-wielding cohort at the Obama event in Arizona yesterday -- and was himself armed with a 9 millimeter pistol -- was a vocal supporter and friend of right-wing anti-government militia members who were convicted of conspiracy and weapons charges in the 90s.

And in an interview today with TPMmuckraker, Hancock said he still believes the Viper Militia case was "manufactured" by the same government that manufactured Waco and lied to its people about 9/11.

The federal government initially accused the Arizona Viper Militia of plotting to blow up federal buildings, which the twelve-member group cased on videotape.

In July 1996, after a grand jury indicted the suspects, federal agents "seized about 90 high-powered rifles and hundreds of pounds of a bomb-making compound from the shabby bungalow of a man whom officials identified as the ordnance specialist of a local paramilitary group," the New York Times reported at the time.

Hancock, who in recent years designed the famous "Ron Paul rEVOLution" graphic, was an oft-quoted defender of the militia members. The tapes of the government buildings, he said at the time, were purely "educational."

"They don't have criminal records," another press account quoted Hancock, who knew all twelve militia members, as saying. "They just like their guns. And in Arizona, gosh darn it, that's normal."

He designed the graphic. But did he pilot the zeppelin?

I confuse you with IAN sometimes... How's that make you feel?

[R-V]

So, Kent Conrad's plan to solve the health care crisis and foster competition could wind up shelling out government cash to the likes of regional near-monopoly behemoths like BCBS?

Brilliant.

And it's okay, because it's totally not socialism.

A decent read on the topic: http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_treatment/archive/2009/06/14/hacker.aspx

You're missing the strategy aspect of this, Tank. This is just a brilliant tactical move by the Senate Democrats! Even if it's a terrible, pointless idea policy-wise:

OK, let's start with the notion that a co-op can do a better job of negotiating prices and protocols. But wait, on day one how many members does the co-op have? Well it has no members on day one. So, the co-op's provider relations guy goes to the doctor and hospital administrator and demands better prices and protocols. My guess is the provider's response would go something like this, "So you are here because your stated objective is to screw my reimbursement down more than it is, you have no members now, and if I give you the rates to take members away from the existing health plans you are going to make life even more difficult for me than those existing health plans have?" My guess is that when the provider stops laughing...

CONRAD: Well, the important thing is they'd provide more competition. In about half the states, John, there is no meaningful competition in health insurance. There's one dominant carrier. And so, the first thing they could do is provide more competition. But beyond that, I think it's very important not to over-promise here. The Congressional Budget Office tells us the big levers in terms of affecting cost lie elsewhere.

The big levers are reforming the delivery system in this country to move to the kinds of integrated systems like Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic that work so well in holding down costs and delivering high quality care, and other reforms, the insurance market reforms, and changing the tax subsidy to health care.

The experts tell us those are the big drivers in terms of altering costs.

ROBERTS: And would co-ops address that?

CONRAD: No. The things that co-ops address are really twofold. One, providing additional competition.

ROBERTS: Right.

CONRAD: And number two, being an entity that is not government- run, government-controlled, but is a not for profit competitor.

ROBERTS: So nothing in driving down the cost of service, then?

CONRAD: No. If you believe competition helps drive down costs, then they would certainly contribute to holding down costs.

this harebrained scheme will be just the olive branch the pant-shitting "centrists" in the Senate need to garner some GOP votes and make it all bipartisan and stuff.

Wait, nevermind.

Georgia Republican Tom Price, the chairman of the House Republican Study Committee and a medical doctor, came out against current proposals of a nonprofit health care cooperative to compete with private insurers, calling it "simply another name for a public option."

On the nonprofit insurance cooperatives that Sen. Kent Conrad and other centrist Democrats are proposing as an alternative to a public plan, Kyl said it was a "Trojan horse."

"It's a step towards government-run health care in this country," Kyl said.

"Centrist" Democrats in the Senate: an awesome combination of inept and corrupt.

Lobbying contributions appear to have the largest marginal impact on middle-of-the-road Democrats. Liberal Democrats are likely to hold firm to the public option unless they receive a lot of remuneration from health care PACs. Conservative Democrats may not support the public option in the first place for ideological reasons, although money can certainly push them more firmly against it. But the impact on mainline Democrats appears to be quite large: if a mainline Democrat has received $60,000 from insurance PACs over the past six years, his likelihood of supporting the public option is cut roughly in half from 80 percent to 40 percent.

[Quality Start Machine]

The fact that insurance companies are lobbying so hard to defeat this is reason enough to like it.

What I'd really like to know is how much guys like Kristol and Krauthammer are getting.

[R-V]

The fact that insurance companies are lobbying so hard to defeat this is reason enough to like it.

What I'd really like to know is how much guys like Kristol and Krauthammer are getting.

My guess is they're collecting their usual salary from the Weekly Standard, the Washington Post, and Fox News.

[Dr. Nguyen Van Falk]

What I'd really like to know is how much guys like Kristol and Krauthammer are getting.

They're just getting their usual shots of wrongohol totally gratis.

[Quality Start Machine]

The fact that insurance companies are lobbying so hard to defeat this is reason enough to like it.

What I'd really like to know is how much guys like Kristol and Krauthammer are getting.

My guess is they're collecting their usual salary from the Weekly Standard, the Washington Post, and Fox News.

I'm pretty sure the insurance companies are throwing a few fishnagels their way as well.

[R-V]

I love me some Big Gay Barney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8

[Dr. Nguyen Van Falk]

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/ernest_hancock_viper_militia_gun_obama_event.php

Ernest Hancock, the online radio host who staged an interview with an assault rifle-wielding cohort at the Obama event in Arizona yesterday -- and was himself armed with a 9 millimeter pistol -- was a vocal supporter and friend of right-wing anti-government militia members who were convicted of conspiracy and weapons charges in the 90s.

And in an interview today with TPMmuckraker, Hancock said he still believes the Viper Militia case was "manufactured" by the same government that manufactured Waco and lied to its people about 9/11.

The federal government initially accused the Arizona Viper Militia of plotting to blow up federal buildings, which the twelve-member group cased on videotape.

In July 1996, after a grand jury indicted the suspects, federal agents "seized about 90 high-powered rifles and hundreds of pounds of a bomb-making compound from the shabby bungalow of a man whom officials identified as the ordnance specialist of a local paramilitary group," the New York Times reported at the time.

Hancock, who in recent years designed the famous "Ron Paul rEVOLution" graphic, was an oft-quoted defender of the militia members. The tapes of the government buildings, he said at the time, were purely "educational."

"They don't have criminal records," another press account quoted Hancock, who knew all twelve militia members, as saying. "They just like their guns. And in Arizona, gosh darn it, that's normal."

He designed the graphic. But did he pilot the zeppelin?

I confuse you with IAN sometimes... How's that make you feel?

I don't root for the Cardinals.

Does that clear things up?

[Chuck to Chuck]

I love me some Big Gay Barney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8

Having a conversation with you is like having an argument with a dinning room table.

That has catch phrase potential.

[Brownie]

I love me some Big Gay Barney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8

I can't defend an Obama-Hitler comparison, but I appreciate Frank confronting everyone who did the same the previous eight years.

[Dr. Nguyen Van Falk]

I love me some Big Gay Barney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8

I can't defend an Obama-Hitler comparison, but I appreciate Frank confronting everyone who did the same the previous eight years.

What do you think Barney is, the Hitler police?

[R-V]

I love me some Big Gay Barney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8

I can't defend an Obama-Hitler comparison, but I appreciate Frank confronting everyone who did the same the previous eight years.

What do you think Barney is, the Hitler police?

Sorry TJ, I find your movie pitch of Barney Frank, Gay Internet Hitler Photoshop Detective to be totally unrealistic.

[Chuck to Chuck]

I love me some Big Gay Barney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8

I can't defend an Obama-Hitler comparison, but I appreciate Frank confronting everyone who did the same the previous eight years.

What do you think Barney is, the Hitler police?

Sorry TJ, I find your movie pitch of Barney Frank, Gay Internet Hitler Photoshop Detective to be totally unrealistic.

Where is that film on the IMDB rank?  Clearly too high.