The Atheist Communist Caliphate Made Flesh, Spread the Clusterfuck Around Thread

[CBStew]

Can we keep an eye on the real grassroots movement?

"San Francisco Giants pitcher Tim Lincecum is facing misdemeanor marijuana charges following a traffic stop in his home state. Washington State Patrol spokesman Steve Schatzel said Thursday that the 2008 Cy Young Award winner and former University of Washington star was pulled over for speeding on Interstate 5 in the town of Hazel Dell, about four miles north of the Oregon border..."

[Andy]

Wait a minute?  Lincecum smokes weed?  Does his MLB2K9 doppelganger toke up, too?

I'm shocked.  Next thing, you're going to tell me that his teammate Pablo Escobar used to run a drug cartel in Colombia.  /philrogers

[flannj]

DPD. If you're like me and fairly ignorant of that whole Israel-Palestine thing, this paints a depressing picture of how completely fucked of a situation it is.

Fascinating yet depressing article R-V. Regretably I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as I should be regarding this situation.
But I suppose that could be said of most of the world including the Israelis and Palestinians themselves.

Glad I read it, I don't know if there are any answers as long as these are the prevalent attitudes...

They also underscore the biases that had taken root in each camp: the Israeli belief that Hamas terrorists and the Gazan people were one and the same; the Gazan tendency to support any act of resistance against the Israelis, no matter how self-defeating it might be.

Also, I hadn't considered the correlation between Israel's overwhelming reaction in Gaza and sending a message to Iran.

Thanks for posting it.

[R-V]

DPD. If you're like me and fairly ignorant of that whole Israel-Palestine thing, this paints a depressing picture of how completely fucked of a situation it is.

Fascinating yet depressing article R-V. Regretably I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as I should be regarding this situation.
But I suppose that could be said of most of the world including the Israelis and Palestinians themselves.

Glad I read it, I don't know if there are any answers as long as these are the prevalent attitudes...

They also underscore the biases that had taken root in each camp: the Israeli belief that Hamas terrorists and the Gazan people were one and the same; the Gazan tendency to support any act of resistance against the Israelis, no matter how self-defeating it might be.

Also, I hadn't considered the correlation between Israel's overwhelming reaction in Gaza and sending a message to Iran.

Thanks for posting it.

Yeah, it left me feeling hopeless. You have to feel terrible for the poor bastards who are born in Gaza and have nothing to do with Hamas, but are dealt a life sentence of being confined to a third world shithole because some fuckheads decided to kidnap teenage soldier and shoot rockets into Israel. And at the same time you feel terrible for Israeli people living in constant fear of said rocket attacks.

[Chuck to Chuck]

Yeah, it left me feeling hopeless. You have to feel terrible for the poor bastards who are born in Gaza and have nothing to do with Hamas, but are dealt a life sentence of being confined to a third world shithole because some fuckheads decided to kidnap teenage soldier and shoot rockets into Israel. And at the same time you feel terrible for Israeli people living in constant fear of said rocket attacks.

Maybe their parents shouldn't have voted for Hamas.  Maybe their parents shouldn't have allowed the corruption that was Arafat.

Maybe their parents parents shouldn't have vacated the land they were given in 1947 as part of the Partition Plan because the Arab states were going to destroy the new state of Israel.

[Chuck to Chuck]

By the way, how about this reporting:

Just before dawn on June 25th, eight Palestinian commandos crawled out of a tunnel into a grove of trees in Kerem Shalom. A new moon was in the sky, making it the darkest night of the month. With mortar fire and anti-tank missiles providing cover, the commandos, some of them disguised in Israeli military uniforms,

A commando is a military term for a type of solider.  Interesting that the New Yorker uses that term give that the Palestinian Authority has no military!

Furthermore, they were dressed in the uniform of their enemy, a violation of international humanitarian law.

These people are terrorists.  The New Yorker, in trying to be fair, has actually tipped the scale in favor of the terrorists.

[R-V]

Yeah, it left me feeling hopeless. You have to feel terrible for the poor bastards who are born in Gaza and have nothing to do with Hamas, but are dealt a life sentence of being confined to a third world shithole because some fuckheads decided to kidnap teenage soldier and shoot rockets into Israel. And at the same time you feel terrible for Israeli people living in constant fear of said rocket attacks.

Maybe their parents shouldn't have voted for Hamas.  Maybe their parents shouldn't have allowed the corruption that was Arafat.

Maybe their parents parents shouldn't have vacated the land they were given in 1947 as part of the Partition Plan because the Arab states were going to destroy the new state of Israel.

That seems a bit harsh. When judging their baseball opinions, I wouldn't hold it against your kids that their internet dad is wrong about everything.

[flannj]

Yeah, it left me feeling hopeless. You have to feel terrible for the poor bastards who are born in Gaza and have nothing to do with Hamas, but are dealt a life sentence of being confined to a third world shithole because some fuckheads decided to kidnap teenage soldier and shoot rockets into Israel. And at the same time you feel terrible for Israeli people living in constant fear of said rocket attacks.

Maybe their parents shouldn't have voted for Hamas.  Maybe their parents shouldn't have allowed the corruption that was Arafat.

Maybe their parents parents shouldn't have vacated the land they were given in 1947 as part of the Partition Plan because the Arab states were going to destroy the new state of Israel.

Chuck, I agree with your points but what should  happen going forward?
Because of the past and the current entrenched attitudes how does anything get resolved?

[Chuck to Chuck]

Chuck, I agree with your points but what should  happen going forward?
Because of the past and the current entrenched attitudes how does anything get resolved?

The Paly people have to want new leadership.  As of today, most of the people are so isolated and lied to about what is actually happening in the real world and their kids are indoctrinated into a world of Jew hating (http://www.pmw.org.il/BookReport_Eng.pdf).  You figure that sooner or later, some of the kids who attend schools overseas will see that hate has only benefited the leaders of the terrorist groups and gotten the general population nothing.  One of those kids will rise up and become a leader.

But, for the most part, the Paly's are like the joke about how many psychiatrists it takes to change a light bulb.  The bulb has to want to change.

[MikeC]

Question.........if/when Health Care reform is put in place, should people be sent to jail and fined for not having insurance?

[PenFoe]

Question.........if/when Health Care reform is put in place, should people be sent to jail and fined for not having insurance?

No.

[Chuck to Chuck]

Question.........if/when Health Care reform is put in place, should people be sent to jail and fined for not having insurance?

Do you have car insurance?  It's the law.

[MAD]

Question.........if/when Health Care reform is put in place, should people be sent to jail and fined for not having insurance?

Do you have car insurance?  It's the law.

I have a feeling Mike C. drives a tank around Iowa.  Do those need to be insured?

[R-V]

Question.........if/when Health Care reform is put in place, should people be sent to jail

No.

and fined for not having insurance?

Yes, with some exemptions based on affordability and religious objections. Next question?

[Chuck to Chuck]

Question.........if/when Health Care reform is put in place, should people be sent to jail and fined for not having insurance?

Do you have car insurance?  It's the law.

I have a feeling Mike C. drives a tank around Iowa.  Do those need to be insured?

Tank or Segway?