The Atheist Communist Caliphate Made Flesh, Spread the Clusterfuck Around Thread

[MikeC]

Question.........if/when Health Care reform is put in place, should people be sent to jail and fined for not having insurance?

Do you have car insurance?  It's the law.

Ah but I can choose to not drive and still not get fined or go to jail.

[Chuck to Chuck]

Question.........if/when Health Care reform is put in place, should people be sent to jail and fined for not having insurance?

Do you have car insurance?  It's the law.

Ah but I can choose to not drive and still not get fined or go to jail.

You could also choose not to go to a hospital if you get sick.

[CBStew]

Question.........if/when Health Care reform is put in place, should people be sent to jail and fined for not having insurance?

Do you have car insurance?  It's the law.

In California you must either have auto insurance or post a bond.  Obviously, if you don't have a license you can't get auto insurance.  We tried to get the State to allow licenses for undocumented aliens who would then be required to carry insurance to be licensed, but the law can't get adopted because "why should illegal aliens be legal drivers?"  Fortunately their aren't any uninsured illegal aliens driving out there since they can't get licenses.

[Oleg]

Question.........if/when Health Care reform is put in place, should people be sent to jail and fined for not having insurance?

Do you have car insurance?  It's the law.

Ah but I can choose to not drive and still not get fined or go to jail.

You could also choose not to go to a hospital if you get sick.

That's what the death panels will be there for.

[BH]

Video like 1200 gonna drop! Computers, Hard Drives Seized at ACORN's New Orleans Office

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572706,00.html

[Gil Gunderson]

Question.........if/when Health Care reform is put in place, should people be sent to jail and fined for not having insurance?

Do you have car insurance?  It's the law.

Ah but I can choose to not drive and still not get fined or go to jail.

You could also choose not to go to a hospital if you get sick.

That's what the death panels will be there for.

Just like Dachau.  Just like Dachau.

[Quality Start Machine]

Hitler was all about health care for all.

[Dr. Nguyen Van Falk]

Hitler was all about health care for all.

Healthcare and hygiene... Hence all the mandatory showers.

[Quality Start Machine]

Hitler was all about health care for all.

Healthcare and hygiene... Hence all the mandatory showers.

Hey, he had DOCTOR Mengele working for him...they don't just let anyone be a doctor, you know.

[CubFaninHydePark]

When (IF?) Obama gets around to lifting the ban on gays in the military, he should lift the ban on women in "combat units."

http://www.slate.com/id/2234862/

[Gil Gunderson]

When (IF?) Obama Congress gets around to lifting the ban on gays in the military, he should lift the ban on women in "combat units."

http://www.slate.com/id/2234862/

Fixed, because the President cannot do it by fiat.

[CubFaninHydePark]

When (IF?) Obama Congress gets around to lifting the ban on gays in the military, he should lift the ban on women in "combat units."

http://www.slate.com/id/2234862/

Fixed, because the President cannot do it by fiat.

I think that the President could win a lawsuit that he could by Executive Order as Commander in Chief.  I can't see the Supreme Court rejecting a claim that military personnel decisions/policy are an Article II power, especially if a Democrat Prez would make the claim.

But I'm a reluctant believer in the unitary executive because I think it's the better Constitutional argument--not because I think it's good policy.

[Chuck to Chuck]

Question.........if/when Health Care reform is put in place, should people be sent to jail and fined for not having insurance?

Do you have car insurance?  It's the law.

Ah but I can choose to not drive and still not get fined or go to jail.

You could also choose not to go to a hospital if you get sick.

http://balkin.blogspot.com/2009/11/will-i-go-to-jail-if-i-dont-buy-health.html

The newest meme of opposition to the health insurance plan is that if you don't obey the individual mandate to purchase health insurance, you will go to jail.

This is false.

Section 501 of the House bill imposes a tax of 2.5 percent of adjusted gross income. You are exempted from the tax if you already have qualifying health insurance from your employer, if you receive benefits from Medicare or Medicaid, if you are a dependent, if you are overseas, and if you have religions objections. You also get subsidies in the form of tax credits and tax deductions if your income is below a certain level; and if you are in poverty you are already exempted because you participate in Medicaid.

If you are not exempted, and you don't purchase health insurance, you just pay a higher tax. You don't go to jail.

[R-V]

Question.........if/when Health Care reform is put in place, should people be sent to jail and fined for not having insurance?

Do you have car insurance?  It's the law.

Ah but I can choose to not drive and still not get fined or go to jail.

You could also choose not to go to a hospital if you get sick.

http://balkin.blogspot.com/2009/11/will-i-go-to-jail-if-i-dont-buy-health.html

The newest meme of opposition to the health insurance plan is that if you don't obey the individual mandate to purchase health insurance, you will go to jail.

This is false.

Section 501 of the House bill imposes a tax of 2.5 percent of adjusted gross income. You are exempted from the tax if you already have qualifying health insurance from your employer, if you receive benefits from Medicare or Medicaid, if you are a dependent, if you are overseas, and if you have religions objections. You also get subsidies in the form of tax credits and tax deductions if your income is below a certain level; and if you are in poverty you are already exempted because you participate in Medicaid.

If you are not exempted, and you don't purchase health insurance, you just pay a higher tax. You don't go to jail.

Ah, but what happens if you object to that Trotskyite "income tax" scheme and refuse to pay the oppressors, Chuck? Then what? Then Jim Oberweis lands on your motorcycle pad in a black chopper and whisks you away to a UN internment camp. IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE!

[R-V]

THAT.

Since the Ft Hood atrocity, I've seen a meme going around that it somehow  exposed a contradiction between "political correctness" and "security."  The avoidance of Nidal Hassan's religion out of fear of offending anyone, goes the argument, created the conditions which allowed him to go undetected and unsanctioned in the months and years leading up to his rampage.  American security, therefore, demands dropping the "political correctness" of avoiding a  confrontation with Islamist ideas and asking the "tough questions" about Islam as a religion and the loyalty of Muslim-Americans.

This framing of the issue is almost 100% wrong.    There is a connection between what these critics are calling "political correctness" and national security, but it runs in the opposite direction.   The real linkage is that there is a strong security imperative to prevent the consolidation of a narrative in which America is engaged in a clash of civilizations with Islam, and instead to nurture a narrative in which al-Qaeda and its affiliates represent a marginal fringe to be jointly combatted.

A lot of people -- some well-meaning, some clowns or worse -- evidently want the American response to the Ft. Hood shootings to revive the post-9/11 "war of ideas" and "clash of civilizations" anti-Islamic discourse.  It's a jihad, they shout, demanding careful scrutiny of the loyalty of American Muslims.  That's what they seem to mean by the demand to throw away "political correctness" and confront the ideological menace.  The overall effect of their recommendations, however,  would be to revive the flagging al-Qaeda brand and to greatly strengthen the appeal of its narrative.  And that's exactly what we should not want.