Who's a Hall of Famer?

[Quality Start Machine]

I'd like to know what kind of numbers the fuckers saying Ken Griffey Jr. was "lazy" put up. If that's what that guy can do while being lazy why would you ever fucking work out?

I remember Buck Schowalter bitching about Jr. taking BP with his hat on backwards, and how it was disrespectful or some suck bullshit. Then Junior would go out and get all Willie Mays on his ass.

Junior was awesome to the point that I'm willing to let his time in Cincinnati and the South Side slide.

This. The "lazy" shit is the same garbage we hear about Bryce Harper. It's jealous assholes who hate that some 19 year old kid just walked into the place and was better than them at everything. He wasn't lazy, he just made things look effortless because he was one of the greatest fucking players ever. The idea that him having a bunch of muscle injuries in his mid-to-late 30s when most athletes start to breakdown was some kind of comeuppance for him not putting in the work when he was younger is garbage, and frankly I'm ashamed that Peck of all people, usually a staunch defender of unfairly slandered athletes, would spread this.

ChristPaul on a bike. I have no idea if what I heard is anywhere close to being true. I know someone from Cincinnati who is black and knows a bunch of other black people who knew him in high school. They said he wasn't the type to hit the gym a lot and that probably led to his body breaking down more often when he got older. It's just a story. To me it's plausible. And if it's true, it means he probably wasn't the type of muscled freak who liked to jam needles in his ass so he could home run binge. It doesn't diminish his greatness one bit.

FTFY.

I guess if BLACK people said he was lazy in the gym, it must be true...

From my fanecdotal knowledge of players like Mickey Mantle (who was legitimately lazy and did not rehab injuries the way he should have), if Griffey wasn't hitting the gym properly it would have taken him longer to recover from injuries. Did his rehab times extend beyond the expected times established by doctors? I honestly don't know, I'm just asking for a friend.

The greatest ballplayer of all time was Babe Ruth. Not exactly a fan of training, even by 1920s standards.

Missed half a season due to syphilis. Died of throat cancer in his 40s. He wasn't a fan of a lot of things that could have helped him out later in life. Somehow it doesn't diminish his greatness to say so like it does Griffey. How racist.

I wonder if there's a modern day equivilent to Babe Ruth, in terms of talent and body type. He was a class to himself in the 20's and 30's, but athletes in general are bigger and stronger. If we could dump a Kyle Schwarber type (or Bryce Harper) in the 1920's, what kind of numbers would they produce? I often wonder what Babe Ruth could do with modern day pitchers, too. And if he'd taken care of himself, would he have hit 800 homers? Could he even mange 500 in today's game? I have so many pointless questions.

He could mange with the best of them.

[Chuck to Chuck]

I'd like to know what kind of numbers the fuckers saying Ken Griffey Jr. was "lazy" put up. If that's what that guy can do while being lazy why would you ever fucking work out?

I remember Buck Schowalter bitching about Jr. taking BP with his hat on backwards, and how it was disrespectful or some suck bullshit. Then Junior would go out and get all Willie Mays on his ass.

Junior was awesome to the point that I'm willing to let his time in Cincinnati and the South Side slide.

This. The "lazy" shit is the same garbage we hear about Bryce Harper. It's jealous assholes who hate that some 19 year old kid just walked into the place and was better than them at everything. He wasn't lazy, he just made things look effortless because he was one of the greatest fucking players ever. The idea that him having a bunch of muscle injuries in his mid-to-late 30s when most athletes start to breakdown was some kind of comeuppance for him not putting in the work when he was younger is garbage, and frankly I'm ashamed that Peck of all people, usually a staunch defender of unfairly slandered athletes, would spread this.

ChristPaul on a bike. I have no idea if what I heard is anywhere close to being true. I know someone from Cincinnati who is black and knows a bunch of other black people who knew him in high school. They said he wasn't the type to hit the gym a lot and that probably led to his body breaking down more often when he got older. It's just a story. To me it's plausible. And if it's true, it means he probably wasn't the type of muscled freak who liked to jam needles in his ass so he could home run binge. It doesn't diminish his greatness one bit.

FTFY.

I guess if BLACK people said he was lazy in the gym, it must be true...

From my fanecdotal knowledge of players like Mickey Mantle (who was legitimately lazy and did not rehab injuries the way he should have), if Griffey wasn't hitting the gym properly it would have taken him longer to recover from injuries. Did his rehab times extend beyond the expected times established by doctors? I honestly don't know, I'm just asking for a friend.

The greatest ballplayer of all time was Babe Ruth. Not exactly a fan of training, even by 1920s standards.

Missed half a season due to syphilis. Died of throat cancer in his 40s on August 16, 1948 (aged 53). He wasn't a fan of a lot of things that could have helped him out later in life. Somehow it doesn't diminish his greatness to say so like it does Griffey. How racist.

[InternetApex]

I'd like to know what kind of numbers the fuckers saying Ken Griffey Jr. was "lazy" put up. If that's what that guy can do while being lazy why would you ever fucking work out?

I remember Buck Schowalter bitching about Jr. taking BP with his hat on backwards, and how it was disrespectful or some suck bullshit. Then Junior would go out and get all Willie Mays on his ass.

Junior was awesome to the point that I'm willing to let his time in Cincinnati and the South Side slide.

This. The "lazy" shit is the same garbage we hear about Bryce Harper. It's jealous assholes who hate that some 19 year old kid just walked into the place and was better than them at everything. He wasn't lazy, he just made things look effortless because he was one of the greatest fucking players ever. The idea that him having a bunch of muscle injuries in his mid-to-late 30s when most athletes start to breakdown was some kind of comeuppance for him not putting in the work when he was younger is garbage, and frankly I'm ashamed that Peck of all people, usually a staunch defender of unfairly slandered athletes, would spread this.

ChristPaul on a bike. I have no idea if what I heard is anywhere close to being true. I know someone from Cincinnati who is black and knows a bunch of other black people who knew him in high school. They said he wasn't the type to hit the gym a lot and that probably led to his body breaking down more often when he got older. It's just a story. To me it's plausible. And if it's true, it means he probably wasn't the type of muscled freak who liked to jam needles in his ass so he could home run binge. It doesn't diminish his greatness one bit.

FTFY.

I guess if BLACK people said he was lazy in the gym, it must be true...

From my fanecdotal knowledge of players like Mickey Mantle (who was legitimately lazy and did not rehab injuries the way he should have), if Griffey wasn't hitting the gym properly it would have taken him longer to recover from injuries. Did his rehab times extend beyond the expected times established by doctors? I honestly don't know, I'm just asking for a friend.

The greatest ballplayer of all time was Babe Ruth. Not exactly a fan of training, even by 1920s standards.

Missed half a season due to syphilis. Died of throat cancer in his 40s on August 16, 1948 (aged 53). He wasn't a fan of a lot of things that could have helped him out later in life. Somehow it doesn't diminish his greatness to say so like it does Griffey. How racist.

Sorry. :0(

[Quality Start Machine]

I'd like to know what kind of numbers the fuckers saying Ken Griffey Jr. was "lazy" put up. If that's what that guy can do while being lazy why would you ever fucking work out?

I remember Buck Schowalter bitching about Jr. taking BP with his hat on backwards, and how it was disrespectful or some suck bullshit. Then Junior would go out and get all Willie Mays on his ass.

Junior was awesome to the point that I'm willing to let his time in Cincinnati and the South Side slide.

This. The "lazy" shit is the same garbage we hear about Bryce Harper. It's jealous assholes who hate that some 19 year old kid just walked into the place and was better than them at everything. He wasn't lazy, he just made things look effortless because he was one of the greatest fucking players ever. The idea that him having a bunch of muscle injuries in his mid-to-late 30s when most athletes start to breakdown was some kind of comeuppance for him not putting in the work when he was younger is garbage, and frankly I'm ashamed that Peck of all people, usually a staunch defender of unfairly slandered athletes, would spread this.

ChristPaul on a bike. I have no idea if what I heard is anywhere close to being true. I know someone from Cincinnati who is black and knows a bunch of other black people who knew him in high school. They said he wasn't the type to hit the gym a lot and that probably led to his body breaking down more often when he got older. It's just a story. To me it's plausible. And if it's true, it means he probably wasn't the type of muscled freak who liked to jam needles in his ass so he could home run binge. It doesn't diminish his greatness one bit.

FTFY.

I guess if BLACK people said he was lazy in the gym, it must be true...

From my fanecdotal knowledge of players like Mickey Mantle (who was legitimately lazy and did not rehab injuries the way he should have), if Griffey wasn't hitting the gym properly it would have taken him longer to recover from injuries. Did his rehab times extend beyond the expected times established by doctors? I honestly don't know, I'm just asking for a friend.

The greatest ballplayer of all time was Babe Ruth. Not exactly a fan of training, even by 1920s standards.

Missed half a season due to syphilis. Died of throat cancer in his 40s on August 16, 1948 (aged 53). He wasn't a fan of a lot of things that could have helped him out later in life. Somehow it doesn't diminish his greatness to say so like it does Griffey. How racist.

Shit, slackers like Lou Gehrig and Roberto Clemente didn't even make it to 40. Fucking plugs.

[Chuck to Chuck]

I'd like to know what kind of numbers the fuckers saying Ken Griffey Jr. was "lazy" put up. If that's what that guy can do while being lazy why would you ever fucking work out?

I remember Buck Schowalter bitching about Jr. taking BP with his hat on backwards, and how it was disrespectful or some suck bullshit. Then Junior would go out and get all Willie Mays on his ass.

Junior was awesome to the point that I'm willing to let his time in Cincinnati and the South Side slide.

This. The "lazy" shit is the same garbage we hear about Bryce Harper. It's jealous assholes who hate that some 19 year old kid just walked into the place and was better than them at everything. He wasn't lazy, he just made things look effortless because he was one of the greatest fucking players ever. The idea that him having a bunch of muscle injuries in his mid-to-late 30s when most athletes start to breakdown was some kind of comeuppance for him not putting in the work when he was younger is garbage, and frankly I'm ashamed that Peck of all people, usually a staunch defender of unfairly slandered athletes, would spread this.

ChristPaul on a bike. I have no idea if what I heard is anywhere close to being true. I know someone from Cincinnati who is black and knows a bunch of other black people who knew him in high school. They said he wasn't the type to hit the gym a lot and that probably led to his body breaking down more often when he got older. It's just a story. To me it's plausible. And if it's true, it means he probably wasn't the type of muscled freak who liked to jam needles in his ass so he could home run binge. It doesn't diminish his greatness one bit.

FTFY.

I guess if BLACK people said he was lazy in the gym, it must be true...

From my fanecdotal knowledge of players like Mickey Mantle (who was legitimately lazy and did not rehab injuries the way he should have), if Griffey wasn't hitting the gym properly it would have taken him longer to recover from injuries. Did his rehab times extend beyond the expected times established by doctors? I honestly don't know, I'm just asking for a friend.

The greatest ballplayer of all time was Babe Ruth. Not exactly a fan of training, even by 1920s standards.

Missed half a season due to syphilis. Died of throat cancer in his 40s on August 16, 1948 (aged 53). He wasn't a fan of a lot of things that could have helped him out later in life. Somehow it doesn't diminish his greatness to say so like it does Griffey. How racist.

Sorry. :0(

August 16th is also the date Elvis died. Pretty morose date.

[Eli]

Relevant but not really relevant: Ken Griffey, Jr. Presents Major League Baseball for SNES is the greatest baseball video game ever.

YES. This. The trick of being able to control the ball after it was pitched was key. Also, the ridiculous music. Man, now I really want to find a copy.

[CT III]

Relevant but not really relevant: Ken Griffey, Jr. Presents Major League Baseball for SNES is the greatest baseball video game ever.

YES. This. The trick of being able to control the ball after it was pitched was key. Also, the ridiculous music. Man, now I really want to find a copy.

With bonus points for the game being made right after Rick Wilkins' hilarious outlier season giving the Cubs a murderers row of Sandberg/Grace/Sosa/Wilkins 2-5 (I would also start Glenallen Hill in LF and hit him sixth for Derrick May). 

[Canadouche]

I'm in the minority here but I think it's kinda cool that Jack Morris got in, despite not deserving so based purely on the numbers.

[SKO]

I'm in the minority here but I think it's kinda cool that Jack Morris got in, despite not deserving so based purely on the numbers.

He has roughly the same career bWAR as Carlos Zambrano and he sexually harassed a female reporter and has never once apologized. Fuck him.

[ChuckD]

I'm in the minority here but I think it's kinda cool that Jack Morris got in, despite not deserving so based purely on the numbers.

He has roughly the same career bWAR as Carlos Zambrano and he sexually harassed a female reporter and has never once apologized. Fuck him.

Have a little re2pect.

#3IGZ2018

[Canadouche]

I'm in the minority here but I think it's kinda cool that Jack Morris got in, despite not deserving so based purely on the numbers.

He has roughly the same career bWAR as Carlos Zambrano and he sexually harassed a female reporter and has never once apologized. Fuck him.

Well, time to expel the Yankees of the 1960's (and presumably earlier) who used to look through peepholes in the dugout to see up the skirts of women sitting in the stands.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

I'm in the minority here but I think it's kinda cool that Jack Morris got in, despite not deserving so based purely on the numbers.

He has roughly the same career bWAR as Carlos Zambrano and he sexually harassed a female reporter and has never once apologized. Fuck him.

Well, time to expel the Yankees of the 1960's (and presumably earlier) who used to look through peepholes in the dugout to see up the skirts of women sitting in the stands.

What an odd response.

[Quality Start Machine]

I'm in the minority here but I think it's kinda cool that Jack Morris got in, despite not deserving so based purely on the numbers.

He has roughly the same career bWAR as Carlos Zambrano and he sexually harassed a female reporter and has never once apologized. Fuck him.

Well, time to expel the Yankees of the 1960's (and presumably earlier) who used to look through peepholes in the dugout to see up the skirts of women sitting in the stands.

What an odd response.

Yeah, the Yankees sucked for most of the 1960s.

[SKO]

I'm in the minority here but I think it's kinda cool that Jack Morris got in, despite not deserving so based purely on the numbers.

He has roughly the same career bWAR as Carlos Zambrano and he sexually harassed a female reporter and has never once apologized. Fuck him.

Well, time to expel the Yankees of the 1960's (and presumably earlier) who used to look through peepholes in the dugout to see up the skirts of women sitting in the stands.

I agree, bad things happened in the past when standards were different and society devalued women and minorities even more than it does now, so we should always choose to honor people based on those antiquated standards. We should in no way change and evolve and hold people who should have known better to a higher standard than people who played in a segregated league.

Let alone the fact that, statistically, he's not a fucking hall of famer, why the fuck should I be actively happy that a sexist Mark Buerhle got into the hall of fame after decades of prolonged whining? Fuck him.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

I'm in the minority here but I think it's kinda cool that Jack Morris got in, despite not deserving so based purely on the numbers.

He has roughly the same career bWAR as Carlos Zambrano and he sexually harassed a female reporter and has never once apologized. Fuck him.

Well, time to expel the Yankees of the 1960's (and presumably earlier) who used to look through peepholes in the dugout to see up the skirts of women sitting in the stands.

What an odd response.

Yeah, the Yankees sucked for most of the 1960s.

One of my favorite Trivia Pursuit questions was "What did the Yankees do in 1966 for the first time in 54 years?"

A: Finish last.

In any event, if we keep this strictly to baseball accomplishments (which I really think we should because slippery slope and all that), Jack Morris' induction is kind of a farce that'll only serve to bolster the arguments of many lesser pitchers.