Fuck Zorp You Stathead Turds

[PenFoe]

can any of you bastards who have a B-R subscription or whatever confirm whether anyone has ever posted a lower WHIP for a season (minimum 200 IP) than Pedro's 0.737 in 2000?

Also, Jesus Christ, Pedro Martinez posted a ZERO POINT SEVEN THREE SEVEN WHIP in the middle of the goddamn steroid era. What a monster.

Nope.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/whip_season.shtml

That list can also just remind people what a fucking great pitcher Dave McNally was. And he was Balto's #3 behind Palmer and Cuellar.

And can also show you that Clayton Kershaw has posted a WHIP under 1.00 for three of the last four seasons.

And it ballooned all the way to 1.023 the fourth year.

We're witnessing some serious, historic greatness with Kershaw. 

[SKO]

can any of you bastards who have a B-R subscription or whatever confirm whether anyone has ever posted a lower WHIP for a season (minimum 200 IP) than Pedro's 0.737 in 2000?

Also, Jesus Christ, Pedro Martinez posted a ZERO POINT SEVEN THREE SEVEN WHIP in the middle of the goddamn steroid era. What a monster.

Nope.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/whip_season.shtml

That list can also just remind people what a fucking great pitcher Dave McNally was. And he was Balto's #3 behind Palmer and Cuellar.

And can also show you that Clayton Kershaw has posted a WHIP under 1.00 for three of the last four seasons.

And it ballooned all the way to 1.023 the fourth year.

We're witnessing some serious, historic greatness with Kershaw. 

Agreed, but I'd have to say Pedro's 1999-2002 are even more impressive considering the offensive era he was in. Holy balls. Amazing that only two guys other than Pedro have even done better .850 since fucking World War I.

So yeah, definitely making sure I enjoy Kershaw while I can, but man do I feel bad that I had no idea even while watching him just how insanely good Pedro was at his peak.

[SKO]

Also Maddux's 1995 WHIP of .8108 is an amazing testament to the man's control given how he pitched to contact and wasn't a power pitcher like Kershaw or Martinez or Gibson.

[Chuck to Chuck]

Also Maddux's 1995 WHIP of .8108 is an amazing testament to the man's control given how he pitched to contact and wasn't a power pitcher like Kershaw or Martinez or Gibson.

And didn't exercise or take roids.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

Pedro also pitched in the American League, with 9 professional hitters in the lineup on a daily basis.

[SKO]

Pedro also pitched in the American League, with 9 professional hitters in the lineup on a daily basis.

This has led me way down the rabbithole, after marveling at Pedro and then Maddux's 95 season I'm now just marveling at Walter Johnson. Deadball Era be damned, the man averaged 330+ IP from 1908-1919 and put up a 173 ERA+ during that time.

Stats. I love em.

[Eli]

Also Maddux's 1995 WHIP of .8108 is an amazing testament to the man's control given how he pitched to contact and wasn't a power pitcher like Kershaw or Martinez or Gibson.

And didn't exercise or take roids.

I don't mean this in a clickbait way or anything, but we have no idea if Maddux took steroids.

[InternetApex]

Also Maddux's 1995 WHIP of .8108 is an amazing testament to the man's control given how he pitched to contact and wasn't a power pitcher like Kershaw or Martinez or Gibson.

And didn't exercise or take roids.

I don't mean this in a clickbait way or anything, but we have no idea if Maddux took steroids.

Just because a guy isn't a huge, muscle-bound meat head doesn't mean he never took anything on the banned substances list for performance purposes. A guy like Maddux could have had periodic bouts with dead arm or back pain or whatever and gotten a little something for the pain that wasn't legal. And you can still name your dog after him if you want. It's really ok.


ALSO: can we change the thread title? I know that's odd coming from me. But I've changed. We've all changed.

[Quality Start Machine]

Pedro also pitched in the American League, with 9 professional hitters in the lineup on a daily basis.

Not to mention, nobody faced those loaded Yankee lineups more than he did.

[SKO]

Also Maddux's 1995 WHIP of .8108 is an amazing testament to the man's control given how he pitched to contact and wasn't a power pitcher like Kershaw or Martinez or Gibson.

And didn't exercise or take roids.

I don't mean this in a clickbait way or anything, but we have no idea if Maddux took steroids.

Just because a guy isn't a huge, muscle-bound meat head doesn't mean he never took anything on the banned substances list for performance purposes. A guy like Maddux could have had periodic bouts with dead arm or back pain or whatever and gotten a little something for the pain that wasn't legal. And you can still name your dog after him if you want. It's really ok.


ALSO: can we change the thread title? I know that's odd coming from me. But I've changed. We've all changed.

To be fair to the 21 year old shithead who started this thread, "statfaggots" was a creation of BNCMike, and the entire thread existed to mock Him. But I am cool with this change.

[Eli]

Also Maddux's 1995 WHIP of .8108 is an amazing testament to the man's control given how he pitched to contact and wasn't a power pitcher like Kershaw or Martinez or Gibson.

And didn't exercise or take roids.

I don't mean this in a clickbait way or anything, but we have no idea if Maddux took steroids.

Just because a guy isn't a huge, muscle-bound meat head doesn't mean he never took anything on the banned substances list for performance purposes. A guy like Maddux could have had periodic bouts with dead arm or back pain or whatever and gotten a little something for the pain that wasn't legal. And you can still name your dog after him if you want. It's really ok.

Yup. People keep marveling at Pedro/Maddux/Smoltz/etc. and their numbers during the steroid era, but pitchers can benefit from PEDs just as much (if not more) than hitters.

[SKO]

Also Maddux's 1995 WHIP of .8108 is an amazing testament to the man's control given how he pitched to contact and wasn't a power pitcher like Kershaw or Martinez or Gibson.

And didn't exercise or take roids.

I don't mean this in a clickbait way or anything, but we have no idea if Maddux took steroids.

Just because a guy isn't a huge, muscle-bound meat head doesn't mean he never took anything on the banned substances list for performance purposes. A guy like Maddux could have had periodic bouts with dead arm or back pain or whatever and gotten a little something for the pain that wasn't legal. And you can still name your dog after him if you want. It's really ok.

Yup. People keep marveling at Pedro/Maddux/Smoltz/etc. and their numbers during the steroid era, but pitchers can benefit from PEDs just as much (if not more) than hitters.

Yeah. To clarify, when I marvel at what a pitcher did during the steroid era I don't really mean "wow look what that pitcher did sans chemicals while facing those brutes." Entirely possible a guy like Pedro Martinez was juicing, but even if it's a level playing field between him and the guys he was facing, holy shit are those numbers still more impressive than numbers a non-roid pitcher posted against non-roid hitters in today's Deadball Era III.

[Yeti]

Also Maddux's 1995 WHIP of .8108 is an amazing testament to the man's control given how he pitched to contact and wasn't a power pitcher like Kershaw or Martinez or Gibson.

And didn't exercise or take roids.

I don't mean this in a clickbait way or anything, but we have no idea if Maddux took steroids.

Just because a guy isn't a huge, muscle-bound meat head doesn't mean he never took anything on the banned substances list for performance purposes. A guy like Maddux could have had periodic bouts with dead arm or back pain or whatever and gotten a little something for the pain that wasn't legal. And you can still name your dog after him if you want. It's really ok.


ALSO: can we change the thread title? I know that's odd coming from me. But I've changed. We've all changed.

To be fair to the 21 year old shithead who started this thread, "statfaggots" was a creation of BNCMike, and the entire thread existed to mock Him. But I am cool with this change.

I think you need to change the header on the original post

[CT III]

Pedro also pitched in the American League, with 9 professional hitters in the lineup on a daily basis.

This has led me way down the rabbithole, after marveling at Pedro and then Maddux's 95 season I'm now just marveling at Walter Johnson. Deadball Era be damned, the man averaged 330+ IP from 1908-1919 and put up a 173 ERA+ during that time.

Stats. I love em.

Your Walter Johnson mention has sent me deep down the rabbithole as well.  Jeebus, Cy Young averaged 350 innings a season over a 21 year career.

Which reminds me, I need to read "Crazy '08" again, and highly recommend the book to anyone with an interest in old timey baseball things.

[SKO]

Pedro also pitched in the American League, with 9 professional hitters in the lineup on a daily basis.

This has led me way down the rabbithole, after marveling at Pedro and then Maddux's 95 season I'm now just marveling at Walter Johnson. Deadball Era be damned, the man averaged 330+ IP from 1908-1919 and put up a 173 ERA+ during that time.

Stats. I love em.

Your Walter Johnson mention has sent me deep down the rabbithole as well.  Jeebus, Cy Young averaged 350 innings a season over a 21 year career.

Which reminds me, I need to read "Crazy '08" again, and highly recommend the book to anyone with an interest in old timey baseball things.

I always hear people reject those incredible IP feats because "pitchers didn't throw as hard back then" but the thing is I guarantee you that sonofabitch threw as hard as he was capable of throwing. I can probably manage a 40 MPH fastball but if you asked me to throw 120+ of them for 350 innings a year my shoulder would still fall off and I would cry a lot. That's an impressive feat no matter what he has clockin'.