The Unresolved Bullpen Angst Thread

[Eli]

Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days?

I remember people talking about it, yes. But ...

You might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know.

Yesssssss!

Michael Wuertz, 2006-2008:

0 day's rest: 2.35 ERA
1 day's rest: 3.50 ERA
2 day's rest: 4.23 ERA

[CT III]

The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.

[Slaky]

Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days?

I remember people talking about it, yes. But ...

You might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know.

Yesssssss!

Michael Wuertz, 2006-2008:

0 day's rest: 2.35 ERA
1 day's rest: 3.50 ERA
2 day's rest: 4.23 ERA

I'll play statfag and feel free to VORP-whip me if this is out of line.

But is ERA really the most effective measurement of a pitcher coming out of the pen? Generally with runners on base? Just a question. Harmless, at that.

I'll hang up and wait for an answer.

[Slaky]

The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.

The Blackhawks aint winnin' shit tonight.

[Shooter]

Since we're bringing up glorious names from the recent past, how about David Aardsma? 1.25 ERA, 1.11 WHIP in 21.2 IP for the Mariners. 6-for-6 in save opportunities, holding RH to a .417 OPS and LH to a .590 OPS. K/W is not sparkling (24/13) but not awful.

[Kermit, B.]

Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days?

I remember people talking about it, yes. But ...

You might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know.

Yesssssss!

Michael Wuertz, 2006-2008:

0 day's rest: 2.35 ERA
1 day's rest: 3.50 ERA
2 day's rest: 4.23 ERA

I'll play statfag and feel free to VORP-whip me if this is out of line.

But is ERA really the most effective measurement of a pitcher coming out of the pen? Generally with runners on base? Just a question. Harmless, at that.

I'll hang up and wait for an answer.

Here's all the stats you should want for Wuertz's career.  Like Eli said, the "Wuertz can't pitch on consecutive days," is, for the most part, a load of shit.

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I         Split  G  PA  AB  R  H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB  SO SO/BB   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
    2nd in DHGR  1   4   4  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0   1       .000 .000 .000 .000   0   0   0  0  0   0  .000  -100
       0 DaysGR 76 284 242 34 59 13  2 11  4  2 34  65  1.91 .244 .337 .450 .787 109   6   1  5  2   3  .286   129
        1 DayGR 96 409 362 35 73 15  1  7  8  4 41 114  2.78 .202 .281 .307 .588 111   2   0  4  2   4  .272    73
       2 DaysGR 56 254 220 29 57  9  1  7  6  1 32  48  1.50 .259 .350 .405 .755  89   6   0  0  2   8  .299   121
       3 DaysGR 23  95  83  8 17  3  0  2  0  1  9  20  2.22 .205 .277 .313 .590  26   3   0  1  2   1  .238    73
       4 DaysGR 11  39  36  1  4  2  1  0  1  0  2  13  6.50 .111 .158 .222 .380   8   0   0  1  0   1  .174    10
       5 DaysGR  5  20  17  4  5  1  1  0  1  1  2   4  2.00 .294 .368 .471 .839   8   0   0  1  0   1  .385   145
      6+ DaysGR 19  97  82 12 25  7  0  1  6  2 12  25  2.08 .305 .389 .427 .816  35   2   0  2  1   0  .421   140

[Kermit, B.]

For what it's worth, Wuertz's career "clutch" stats.  The 2 outs RISP numbers aren't good (but look at the lofty BAbip in that situation).  The rest of his numbers are solid.

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I         Split   G  PA  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR SB CS  BB  SO SO/BB   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
    2 outs RISP 141 210 174  67  48 12  4  3  2  3  36  47  1.31 .276 .400 .443 .843  77   0   0  0  0  14  .363   147
    Late  Close 104 368 317  31  62  9  1  4 10  4  43  85  1.98 .196 .292 .268 .560  85   4   1  5  2   8  .252    66
       Tie Game  48 159 139  18  33  6  1  4  4  4  15  38  2.53 .237 .310 .381 .691  53   1   0  4  1   5  .296   102
     Within 1 R 113 413 364  44  84 17  1  6  9  6  41  94  2.29 .231 .310 .332 .642 121   3   1  6  1   8  .294    89
     Within 2 R 165 610 532  71 117 23  2 12 11  8  64 151  2.36 .220 .303 .338 .642 180   6   1 10  3  14  .282    88
     Within 3 R 201 760 665  96 151 31  4 16 17  9  78 186  2.38 .227 .307 .358 .665 238   8   1 12  4  16  .289    95
     Within 4 R 236 927 803 118 181 36  5 18 23 10 103 223  2.17 .225 .312 .350 .662 281  11   1 14  6  16  .287    94
    Margin  4 R  72 275 243  38  59 14  1 10  3  1  29  67  2.31 .243 .320 .432 .752 105   8   0  0  3   2  .290   119

[PenFoe]

Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days?

I remember people talking about it, yes. But ...

You might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know.

Yesssssss!

Michael Wuertz, 2006-2008:

0 day's rest: 2.35 ERA
1 day's rest: 3.50 ERA
2 day's rest: 4.23 ERA

I'll play statfag and feel free to VORP-whip me if this is out of line.

But is ERA really the most effective measurement of a pitcher coming out of the pen? Generally with runners on base? Just a question. Harmless, at that.

I'll hang up and wait for an answer.

Here's all the stats you should want for Wuertz's career.  Like Eli said, the "Wuertz can't pitch on consecutive days," is, for the most part, a load of shit.

Code Select Expand

I         Split  G  PA  AB  R  H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB  SO SO/BB   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
    2nd in DHGR  1   4   4  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0   1       .000 .000 .000 .000   0   0   0  0  0   0  .000  -100
       0 DaysGR 76 284 242 34 59 13  2 11  4  2 34  65  1.91 .244 .337 .450 .787 109   6   1  5  2   3  .286   129
        1 DayGR 96 409 362 35 73 15  1  7  8  4 41 114  2.78 .202 .281 .307 .588 111   2   0  4  2   4  .272    73
       2 DaysGR 56 254 220 29 57  9  1  7  6  1 32  48  1.50 .259 .350 .405 .755  89   6   0  0  2   8  .299   121
       3 DaysGR 23  95  83  8 17  3  0  2  0  1  9  20  2.22 .205 .277 .313 .590  26   3   0  1  2   1  .238    73
       4 DaysGR 11  39  36  1  4  2  1  0  1  0  2  13  6.50 .111 .158 .222 .380   8   0   0  1  0   1  .174    10
       5 DaysGR  5  20  17  4  5  1  1  0  1  1  2   4  2.00 .294 .368 .471 .839   8   0   0  1  0   1  .385   145
      6+ DaysGR 19  97  82 12 25  7  0  1  6  2 12  25  2.08 .305 .389 .427 .816  35   2   0  2  1   0  .421   140

Is this really going to turn into "The One That Got Away" thread?
Because that would be a really shitty thread.

[CT III]

The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.

The Blackhawks aint winnin' shit tonight.

I hate you.

[Jon]

The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.

The Blackhawks aint winnin' shit tonight.

I hate you.

Skak kills all joy.

[BH]

Is this really going to turn into "The One That Got Away" thread?
Because that would be a really shitty thread.

Ricky Nolasco, since being sent down to the Minors, has the lowest trade value ever. GO RIGHT THAT WRONG HENDRY!

[Tinker to Evers to Chance]

The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.

The Blackhawks aint winnin' shit tonight.

I hate you.

Skak kills all joy.

The Red Wings won't win shit, either.  So we've got that going for us.

[LoneStarCubFan]

Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days?

I remember people talking about it, yes. But ...

You might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know.

Yesssssss!

Michael Wuertz, 2006-2008:

0 day's rest: 2.35 ERA
1 day's rest: 3.50 ERA
2 day's rest: 4.23 ERA

I'll play statfag and feel free to VORP-whip me if this is out of line.

But is ERA really the most effective measurement of a pitcher coming out of the pen? Generally with runners on base? Just a question. Harmless, at that.

I'll hang up and wait for an answer.

Here's all the stats you should want for Wuertz's career.  Like Eli said, the "Wuertz can't pitch on consecutive days," is, for the most part, a load of shit.

Code Select Expand

I         Split  G  PA  AB  R  H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB  SO SO/BB   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
    2nd in DHGR  1   4   4  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0   1       .000 .000 .000 .000   0   0   0  0  0   0  .000  -100
       0 DaysGR 76 284 242 34 59 13  2 11  4  2 34  65  1.91 .244 .337 .450 .787 109   6   1  5  2   3  .286   129
        1 DayGR 96 409 362 35 73 15  1  7  8  4 41 114  2.78 .202 .281 .307 .588 111   2   0  4  2   4  .272    73
       2 DaysGR 56 254 220 29 57  9  1  7  6  1 32  48  1.50 .259 .350 .405 .755  89   6   0  0  2   8  .299   121
       3 DaysGR 23  95  83  8 17  3  0  2  0  1  9  20  2.22 .205 .277 .313 .590  26   3   0  1  2   1  .238    73
       4 DaysGR 11  39  36  1  4  2  1  0  1  0  2  13  6.50 .111 .158 .222 .380   8   0   0  1  0   1  .174    10
       5 DaysGR  5  20  17  4  5  1  1  0  1  1  2   4  2.00 .294 .368 .471 .839   8   0   0  1  0   1  .385   145
      6+ DaysGR 19  97  82 12 25  7  0  1  6  2 12  25  2.08 .305 .389 .427 .816  35   2   0  2  1   0  .421   140

Is this really going to turn into "The One That Got Away" thread?
Because that would be a really shitty thread.

Agreed.

I do think what Wuertz and Aaaaaaardsma are doing should call into question Rothschild's competence though.

[Slaky]

The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.

The Blackhawks aint winnin' shit tonight.

I hate you.

Skak kills all joy.

I know - fuck that Skak guy for knowing when the Hawks actually play.

[Jon]

The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.

The Blackhawks aint winnin' shit tonight.

I hate you.

Skak kills all joy.

I know - fuck that Skak guy for knowing when the Hawks actually play.

Dammit, I knew I shouldn't have taken typing lessons from MikeD.

Look, just because there's no game mean CT's hope needed to be dashed.