The Unresolved Bullpen Angst Thread

[PenFoe]

Crazy Rumor Guy says Grabow and Gorzelanny are on their way to our KUBBEEZ.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy is saying the same thing.

Would that be the same Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy that Crazy Rumor Guy quoted?  Thanks for the scoop.

I'm guessing Mitch Atkins is part of this deal, which is why Stevens was called back up.  I wouldn't be surprised if Hart is sent with and Gorzelanny gets a start or two while Lilly is out.

I'm not saying you're wrong (I'm just assuming it), but let's pretend for a second that you're right...why would you trade Hart in this deal?

[Shooter]

Crazy Rumor Guy says Grabow and Gorzelanny are on their way to our KUBBEEZ.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy is saying the same thing.

Would that be the same Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy that Crazy Rumor Guy quoted?  Thanks for the scoop.

I'm guessing Mitch Atkins is part of this deal, which is why Stevens was called back up.  I wouldn't be surprised if Hart is sent with and Gorzelanny gets a start or two while Lilly is out.

I'm not saying you're wrong (I'm just assuming it), but let's pretend for a second that you're right...why would you trade Hart in this deal?

Penfoe is right. Kevin Hart's cutter is just starting to drink the blood of the unbelievers.

[RV]

Crazy Rumor Guy says Grabow and Gorzelanny are on their way to our KUBBEEZ.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy is saying the same thing.

Would that be the same Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy that Crazy Rumor Guy quoted?  Thanks for the scoop.

I'm guessing Mitch Atkins is part of this deal, which is why Stevens was called back up.  I wouldn't be surprised if Hart is sent with and Gorzelanny gets a start or two while Lilly is out.

Nope. He's just back because SAM FULD couldn't make it to Chicago in time.

Jeff Stevens got as far as "downtown Chicago," as he put it this morning, before the Cubs called him and told him to stay put. They officially recalled him this morning as they put center fielder Reed Johnson on the DL with his broken left foot.

For today, the Cubs will go with 13 pitchers on the roster. Center fielder Sam Fuld is on his way to Chicago. He'll board the charter for Florida tonight to be called up from Iowa for tomorrow's opener of a three-game series against the Marlins.

[Weebs]

Crazy Rumor Guy says Grabow and Gorzelanny are on their way to our KUBBEEZ.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy is saying the same thing.

Would that be the same Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy that Crazy Rumor Guy quoted?  Thanks for the scoop.

I'm guessing Mitch Atkins is part of this deal, which is why Stevens was called back up.  I wouldn't be surprised if Hart is sent with and Gorzelanny gets a start or two while Lilly is out.

I'm not saying you're wrong (I'm just assuming it), but let's pretend for a second that you're right...why would you trade Hart in this deal?

It was either that link or another one I saw on RotoWorld that Pittsburgh is looking for major league-ready pitching.  Hart is one of the guys in the system that fits, and since Gorzelanny is still young, he's not going to come at an incredibly cheap price.  They got a pretty good haul in that Snell/Wilson trade.  Of course, this is the Pirates and odds are Hendry will find a way to get them for almost nothing.

Edit: Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.

[PenFoe]

Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.

Booooooooo

[PenFoe]

Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.

Booooooooo

Looks like minor league 3b, Josh Harrison.
Kid looks pretty decent.

[Tank]

Crazy Rumor Guy says Grabow and Gorzelanny are on their way to our KUBBEEZ.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy is saying the same thing.

Would that be the same Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy that Crazy Rumor Guy quoted?  Thanks for the scoop.

I'm guessing Mitch Atkins is part of this deal, which is why Stevens was called back up.  I wouldn't be surprised if Hart is sent with and Gorzelanny gets a start or two while Lilly is out.

Nope. He's just back because SAM FULD couldn't make it to Chicago in time.

Jeff Stevens got as far as "downtown Chicago," as he put it this morning, before the Cubs called him and told him to stay put. They officially recalled him this morning as they put center fielder Reed Johnson on the DL with his broken left foot.

For today, the Cubs will go with 13 pitchers on the roster. Center fielder Sam Fuld is on his way to Chicago. He'll board the charter for Florida tonight to be called up from Iowa for tomorrow's opener of a three-game series against the Marlins.

I had assumed Stevens was never going to Iowa in the first place—that he was just "sent down" momentarily to bring in a fresh bullpen arm after those first two games of the series.

I'd expect Atkins to head to Des Moines while FULD joins the team in Miami.

Shorter version: Weebs is wrong.

[Eli]

Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.

Booooooooo

Why are you booing?  Hart sucks, Ascanio is just a reliever and Harrison is just a low-level prospect.

[RV]

Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.

Booooooooo

Why are you booing?  Hart sucks, Ascanio is just a reliever and Harrison is just a low-level prospect.

Agreed. Also, I've read on the internets that Grabow will probably be a Type A free agent. But does that matter? Would a team actually give up draft picks to sign John Grabow?

[Internet Apex]

Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.

Booooooooo

Why are you booing?  Hart sucks, Ascanio is just a reliever and Harrison is just a low-level prospect.

Agreed. Also, I've read on the internets that Grabow will probably be a Type A free agent. But does that matter? Would a team actually give up draft picks to sign John Grabow?

Doesn't seem like it but I've seen teams give up draft picks for far less useful players. Not going to name any. Don't have time. But you know it's happened. Hasn't it?

[Eli]

Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.

Booooooooo

Why are you booing?  Hart sucks, Ascanio is just a reliever and Harrison is just a low-level prospect.

Agreed. Also, I've read on the internets that Grabow will probably be a Type A free agent. But does that matter? Would a team actually give up draft picks to sign John Grabow?

Possibly.  Depends how he finishes the season, but the Cubs could offer arbitration.  If he signs elsewhere, great, if he takes arbitration, he'll get $2-3 million.  Either way is probably fine.

[PenFoe]

Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.

Booooooooo

Why are you booing?  Hart sucks, Ascanio is just a reliever and Harrison is just a low-level prospect.

Because Grabow is a lefty who doesn't pitch that well against lefties and Gorzellany can't break the Pirates rotation?
Hart's been reasonably solid lately and Harrison has some nice stats.

[Eli]

Because Grabow is a lefty who doesn't pitch that well against lefties and Gorzellany can't break the Pirates rotation?
Hart's been reasonably solid lately and Harrison has some nice stats.

Lefties in the last three years against Grabow have a .652 OPS.

Gorzellany's coming back from injury, so the Pirates were basically just playing it safe with him in Triple A.  He's also had major league success before and he's still only 26.  Given that the Cubs will control him for another 3.5 seasons, it's definitely worth a chance to see if he returns to 2007 form.

As for Hart, he still has a 1.48 WHIP this year.  He's been very lucky lately.

[PenFoe]

Because Grabow is a lefty who doesn't pitch that well against lefties and Gorzellany can't break the Pirates rotation?
Hart's been reasonably solid lately and Harrison has some nice stats.

Lefties in the last three years against Grabow have a .652 OPS.

Gorzellany's coming back from injury, so the Pirates were basically just playing it safe with him in Triple A.  He's also had major league success before and he's still only 26.  Given that the Cubs will control him for another 3.5 seasons, it's definitely worth a chance to see if he returns to 2007 form.

As for Hart, he still has a 1.48 WHIP this year.  He's been very lucky lately.

Look, someone has to play the part of "Guy who doesn't like this trade"...I drew the shortest straw.

[Oleg]

Because Grabow is a lefty who doesn't pitch that well against lefties and Gorzellany can't break the Pirates rotation?
Hart's been reasonably solid lately and Harrison has some nice stats.

Lefties in the last three years against Grabow have a .652 OPS.

Gorzellany's coming back from injury, so the Pirates were basically just playing it safe with him in Triple A.  He's also had major league success before and he's still only 26.  Given that the Cubs will control him for another 3.5 seasons, it's definitely worth a chance to see if he returns to 2007 form.

As for Hart, he still has a 1.48 WHIP this year.  He's been very lucky lately.

I thought it was a bit curious to give up Hart for Gorzellany.  But, after some thinking, put me in the meh camp.