The Chicago Shite Sox

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As bad as the Cubs have been, at least they weren't swept in a doubleheader at home yesterday by scores of 19-10 (after leading 5-0!) and 9-8 (after giving up four runs in the top of the 9th). Human redneck soundboard Hawk Harrelson is now on suicide watch.

I took so much genuine joy in this when I heard it on the radio.  On the same day the Hawks were honored in the manner in which they were to boot.  What a disgrace; I'd be so disgusted if I were fan (I mean....been there plenty of times so I pretty much know how miserable and pissed off I'd be).

While we patiently wait out Year 2 of a seemingly coherent plan, I will not deny that I am thoroughly enjoying what a goddamn trainwreck that is on the south side.

I knew they'd bottom out at some point thanks to Kenny's doings but I didn't really think it'd be this bad. They're looking at the Cubs who are losing with a purpose and wondering what the hell their own is.

What's the plan down there? They have to start over.

I am not surprised that they're this bad and I even feel like they got there a year late.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

As bad as the Cubs have been, at least they weren't swept in a doubleheader at home yesterday by scores of 19-10 (after leading 5-0!) and 9-8 (after giving up four runs in the top of the 9th). Human redneck soundboard Hawk Harrelson is now on suicide watch.

I took so much genuine joy in this when I heard it on the radio.  On the same day the Hawks were honored in the manner in which they were to boot.  What a disgrace; I'd be so disgusted if I were fan (I mean....been there plenty of times so I pretty much know how miserable and pissed off I'd be).

While we patiently wait out Year 2 of a seemingly coherent plan, I will not deny that I am thoroughly enjoying what a goddamn trainwreck that is on the south side.

I knew they'd bottom out at some point thanks to Kenny's doings but I didn't really think it'd be this bad. They're looking at the Cubs who are losing with a purpose and wondering what the hell their own is.

What's the plan down there? They have to start over.

I am not surprised that they're this bad and I even feel like they got there a year late.

Making last year's April-through August division contention a mirage, which set them up for this season's disappointment.  Things would have really been set back had Ventura actually accepted his rumored off-season contract extension.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

As bad as the Cubs have been, at least they weren't swept in a doubleheader at home yesterday by scores of 19-10 (after leading 5-0!) and 9-8 (after giving up four runs in the top of the 9th). Human redneck soundboard Hawk Harrelson is now on suicide watch.

I took so much genuine joy in this when I heard it on the radio.  On the same day the Hawks were honored in the manner in which they were to boot.  What a disgrace; I'd be so disgusted if I were fan (I mean....been there plenty of times so I pretty much know how miserable and pissed off I'd be).

While we patiently wait out Year 2 of a seemingly coherent plan, I will not deny that I am thoroughly enjoying what a goddamn trainwreck that is on the south side.

I knew they'd bottom out at some point thanks to Kenny's doings but I didn't really think it'd be this bad. They're looking at the Cubs who are losing with a purpose and wondering what the hell their own is.

What's the plan down there? They have to start over.

I am not surprised that they're this bad and I even feel like they got there a year late.

Making last year's April-through August division contention a mirage, which set them up for this season's disappointment.  Things would have really been set back had Ventura actually accepted his rumored off-season contract extension.

Is he a bad manager?

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

Bump.

Just wondering if a team has ever been swept in a  season series (minimum 4 games) by a team coming off a 100 loss season.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

Bump.

Just wondering if a team has ever been swept in a  season series (minimum 4 games) by a team coming off a 100 loss season.

Nope. But that "minimum 4 games" is the rub.

4-game season series aren't exactly the historical norm in MLB, and (the far more common) longer series are obviously tougher to sweep.

There have been five 3-game season sweeps by teams coming off of 100+ loss seasons:

2009 Mariners (3-0 vs. ARI)
2006 Royals (3-0 vs. PIT)
2005 Royals (3-0 vs. LAD)
2004 Tigers (3-0 vs. ARI)
1997 Tigers (3-0 vs. NYM)

[J. Walter Weatherman]

Bump.

Just wondering if a team has ever been swept in a  season series (minimum 4 games) by a team coming off a 100 loss season.

Nope. But that "minimum 4 games" is the rub.

4-game season series aren't exactly the historical norm in MLB, and (the far more common) longer series are obviously tougher to sweep.

There have been five 3-game season sweeps by teams coming off of 100+ loss seasons:

2009 Mariners (3-0 vs. ARI)
2006 Royals (3-0 vs. PIT)
2005 Royals (3-0 vs. LAD)
2004 Tigers (3-0 vs. ARI)
1997 Tigers (3-0 vs. NYM)

More comprehensively...

2013 Cubs: 4-0 vs. CHW (1.000)
2009 Mariners: 3-0 vs. ARI (1.000)
2006 Royals: 3-0 vs. PIT (1.000)
2005 Royals: 3-0 vs. LAD (1.000)
2004 Tigers: 3-0 vs. ARI (1.000)
1997 Tigers: 3-0 vs. NYM (1.000)
1962 Phillies: 17-1 vs. HOU (.944)
1905 Phillies: 18-3 vs. BRO (.857)
2011 Mariners: 5-1 vs. SDP (.833)
2010 Nationals: 5-1 vs. PIT (.833)
2009 Nationals: 5-1 vs. ARI (.833)
2003 Brewers: 5-1 vs. SDP (.833)
1999 Marlins: 5-1 vs. TBD (.833)
1986 Indians: 10-2 vs. OAK (.833)
1971 White Sox: 10-2 vs. WSA (.833)
1962 A's: 15-3 vs. WSA (.833)
2002 Pirates: 15-4 vs. MIL (.789)
2003 Royals: 7-2 vs. TEX (.778)
1999 Marlins: 7-2 vs. LAD (.778)
1962 Phillies: 14-4 vs. NYM (.778)
1929 Phillies: 17-5 vs. BSN (.773)
1905 Phillies: 17-5 vs. BSN (.773)
1989 Orioles: 10-3 vs. DET (.769)
1984 Mariners: 10-3 vs. TEX (.769)
1980 A's: 10-3 vs. CAL (.769)

And, for what it's worth, the 2013 Astros are 3-1 over both CHW and COL.

[ChuckD]

Bump.

Just wondering if a team has ever been swept in a  season series (minimum 4 games) by a team coming off a 100 loss season.

Nope. But that "minimum 4 games" is the rub.

4-game season series aren't exactly the historical norm in MLB, and (the far more common) longer series are obviously tougher to sweep.

There have been five 3-game season sweeps by teams coming off of 100+ loss seasons:

2009 Mariners (3-0 vs. ARI)
2006 Royals (3-0 vs. PIT)
2005 Royals (3-0 vs. LAD)
2004 Tigers (3-0 vs. ARI)
1997 Tigers (3-0 vs. NYM)

More comprehensively...

2013 Cubs: 4-0 vs. CHW (1.000)
2009 Mariners: 3-0 vs. ARI (1.000)
2006 Royals: 3-0 vs. PIT (1.000)
2005 Royals: 3-0 vs. LAD (1.000)
2004 Tigers: 3-0 vs. ARI (1.000)
1997 Tigers: 3-0 vs. NYM (1.000)
1962 Phillies: 17-1 vs. HOU (.944)
1905 Phillies: 18-3 vs. BRO (.857)
2011 Mariners: 5-1 vs. SDP (.833)
2010 Nationals: 5-1 vs. PIT (.833)
2009 Nationals: 5-1 vs. ARI (.833)
2003 Brewers: 5-1 vs. SDP (.833)
1999 Marlins: 5-1 vs. TBD (.833)
1986 Indians: 10-2 vs. OAK (.833)
1971 White Sox: 10-2 vs. WSA (.833)
1962 A's: 15-3 vs. WSA (.833)
2002 Pirates: 15-4 vs. MIL (.789)
2003 Royals: 7-2 vs. TEX (.778)
1999 Marlins: 7-2 vs. LAD (.778)
1962 Phillies: 14-4 vs. NYM (.778)
1929 Phillies: 17-5 vs. BSN (.773)
1905 Phillies: 17-5 vs. BSN (.773)
1989 Orioles: 10-3 vs. DET (.769)
1984 Mariners: 10-3 vs. TEX (.769)
1980 A's: 10-3 vs. CAL (.769)

And, for what it's worth, the 2013 Astros are 3-1 over both CHW and COL.

Impressive. I was lazy and didn't want to unzip and combine the individual Retrosheet logs. Did you do that or find it from some other source?

[Saul Goodman]

Bump.

Just wondering if a team has ever been swept in a  season series (minimum 4 games) by a team coming off a 100 loss season.

Nope. But that "minimum 4 games" is the rub.

4-game season series aren't exactly the historical norm in MLB, and (the far more common) longer series are obviously tougher to sweep.

There have been five 3-game season sweeps by teams coming off of 100+ loss seasons:

2009 Mariners (3-0 vs. ARI)
2006 Royals (3-0 vs. PIT)
2005 Royals (3-0 vs. LAD)
2004 Tigers (3-0 vs. ARI)
1997 Tigers (3-0 vs. NYM)

More comprehensively...

2013 Cubs: 4-0 vs. CHW (1.000)
2009 Mariners: 3-0 vs. ARI (1.000)
2006 Royals: 3-0 vs. PIT (1.000)
2005 Royals: 3-0 vs. LAD (1.000)
2004 Tigers: 3-0 vs. ARI (1.000)
1997 Tigers: 3-0 vs. NYM (1.000)
1962 Phillies: 17-1 vs. HOU (.944)
1905 Phillies: 18-3 vs. BRO (.857)
2011 Mariners: 5-1 vs. SDP (.833)
2010 Nationals: 5-1 vs. PIT (.833)
2009 Nationals: 5-1 vs. ARI (.833)
2003 Brewers: 5-1 vs. SDP (.833)
1999 Marlins: 5-1 vs. TBD (.833)
1986 Indians: 10-2 vs. OAK (.833)
1971 White Sox: 10-2 vs. WSA (.833)
1962 A's: 15-3 vs. WSA (.833)
2002 Pirates: 15-4 vs. MIL (.789)
2003 Royals: 7-2 vs. TEX (.778)
1999 Marlins: 7-2 vs. LAD (.778)
1962 Phillies: 14-4 vs. NYM (.778)
1929 Phillies: 17-5 vs. BSN (.773)
1905 Phillies: 17-5 vs. BSN (.773)
1989 Orioles: 10-3 vs. DET (.769)
1984 Mariners: 10-3 vs. TEX (.769)
1980 A's: 10-3 vs. CAL (.769)

And, for what it's worth, the 2013 Astros are 3-1 over both CHW and COL.

Impressive. I was lazy and didn't want to unzip and combine the individual Retrosheet logs. Did you do that or find it from some other source?

Seconded on the methodology question. I too want to be a wizard.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

Bump.

Just wondering if a team has ever been swept in a  season series (minimum 4 games) by a team coming off a 100 loss season.

Nope. But that "minimum 4 games" is the rub.

4-game season series aren't exactly the historical norm in MLB, and (the far more common) longer series are obviously tougher to sweep.

There have been five 3-game season sweeps by teams coming off of 100+ loss seasons:

2009 Mariners (3-0 vs. ARI)
2006 Royals (3-0 vs. PIT)
2005 Royals (3-0 vs. LAD)
2004 Tigers (3-0 vs. ARI)
1997 Tigers (3-0 vs. NYM)

More comprehensively...

2013 Cubs: 4-0 vs. CHW (1.000)
2009 Mariners: 3-0 vs. ARI (1.000)
2006 Royals: 3-0 vs. PIT (1.000)
2005 Royals: 3-0 vs. LAD (1.000)
2004 Tigers: 3-0 vs. ARI (1.000)
1997 Tigers: 3-0 vs. NYM (1.000)
1962 Phillies: 17-1 vs. HOU (.944)
1905 Phillies: 18-3 vs. BRO (.857)
2011 Mariners: 5-1 vs. SDP (.833)
2010 Nationals: 5-1 vs. PIT (.833)
2009 Nationals: 5-1 vs. ARI (.833)
2003 Brewers: 5-1 vs. SDP (.833)
1999 Marlins: 5-1 vs. TBD (.833)
1986 Indians: 10-2 vs. OAK (.833)
1971 White Sox: 10-2 vs. WSA (.833)
1962 A's: 15-3 vs. WSA (.833)
2002 Pirates: 15-4 vs. MIL (.789)
2003 Royals: 7-2 vs. TEX (.778)
1999 Marlins: 7-2 vs. LAD (.778)
1962 Phillies: 14-4 vs. NYM (.778)
1929 Phillies: 17-5 vs. BSN (.773)
1905 Phillies: 17-5 vs. BSN (.773)
1989 Orioles: 10-3 vs. DET (.769)
1984 Mariners: 10-3 vs. TEX (.769)
1980 A's: 10-3 vs. CAL (.769)

And, for what it's worth, the 2013 Astros are 3-1 over both CHW and COL.

Impressive. I was lazy and didn't want to unzip and combine the individual Retrosheet logs. Did you do that or find it from some other source?

Seconded on the methodology question. I too want to be a wizard.

No wizardry. Just a lot of clicking, scrolling and copy-and-pasting on Baseball Reference.

So it's certainly possible that I missed a few examples.

Looking at my spreadsheet, it looks like I've got 139 total team-seasons from the World Series era that followed 100+ loss seasons and, drawn from those, 128 total season series where that team either swept their opponent or won at least 4 more games than them. The above are the 25 series with better than .750 winning percentages.

[morpheus]

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/07/18/angi-selling-at-deadline-first-step-of-many-for-sunken-sox/

[Gilgamesh]

Magglio Ordonez...millionaire, former baseball player, former White Sox, and now a declared socialist.

Magglio Ordonez, a six-time Major League Baseball All-Star who earned $133 million with the Chicago White Sox and Detroit Tigers, will run for mayor of a Venezuelan oil town on the socialist party ticket of the late President Hugo Chavez, Businessweek reports.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-08-06/former-white-sox-all-star-ordonez-runs-for-mayor-in-venezuela

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Magglio Ordonez...millionaire, former baseball player, former White Sox, and now a declared socialist.

Magglio Ordonez, a six-time Major League Baseball All-Star who earned $133 million with the Chicago White Sox and Detroit Tigers, will run for mayor of a Venezuelan oil town on the socialist party ticket of the late President Hugo Chavez, Businessweek reports.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-08-06/former-white-sox-all-star-ordonez-runs-for-mayor-in-venezuela

His association with Chavez isn't news. He is hated by Venezuelan ex-pats (not just Ozzie Guillen) and was boo'd by them lustily during the 2009 WBC. They chanted "Chavista" at him, which is the lowest insult that community has to offer.  

[Shooter]

Magglio Ordonez...millionaire, former baseball player, former White Sox, and now a declared socialist.

Magglio Ordonez, a six-time Major League Baseball All-Star who earned $133 million with the Chicago White Sox and Detroit Tigers, will run for mayor of a Venezuelan oil town on the socialist party ticket of the late President Hugo Chavez, Businessweek reports.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-08-06/former-white-sox-all-star-ordonez-runs-for-mayor-in-venezuela

His association with Chavez isn't news. He is hated by Venezuelan ex-pats (not just Ozzie Guillen) and was boo'd by them lustily during the 2009 WBC. They chanted "Chavista" at him, which is the lowest insult that community has to offer.  

[Saul Goodman]

Magglio Ordonez...millionaire, former baseball player, former White Sox, and now a declared socialist.

Magglio Ordonez, a six-time Major League Baseball All-Star who earned $133 million with the Chicago White Sox and Detroit Tigers, will run for mayor of a Venezuelan oil town on the socialist party ticket of the late President Hugo Chavez, Businessweek reports.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-08-06/former-white-sox-all-star-ordonez-runs-for-mayor-in-venezuela

That money, divided by the city's population of 450,000, comes out to $288.89 per person. Viva Magglio!

[Quality Start Machine]

These assholes are giftwrapping the #3 draft pick for the Cubs.