The Chicago Shite Sox

[SKO]

It's going to be hard to make fun of them from here on out. Rick Hahn is doing a solid Theo imitation.

Let's see how the draft goes for them, they've got some work to do if they're going to catch the Phillies for the first overall pick.

Actually I think the easy way to make fun of them is to point out that the reason their rebuild is going so awesome is because normally teams that are rebuilding don't have a billion young, cheap, controllable players like Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Abreu to trade, because most teams would have spent money and figured out how to actually win something with that group.

Yeah, but the change in the Sox's organizational thinking perfectly coincides with Hahn actually getting free reign. Kenny Williams is a fucking dunce. I don't even think you could find Sox fans who would argue that point.

I think Rick Hahn is a smart dude, but "free reign" to trade and wheel and deal is not the same as getting the cash he's going to eventually need to put them over the top. It is extremely hard to build an entire world series contender from the ground up. The Royals are about the only team in recent memory that has done it. The Cubs smartly built a core that gave them production and cost certainty but they wouldn't have done what they did the last two years without dropping serious cash on Lester/Lackey/Zobrist/Heyward/Fowler that the White Sox have rarely ever been willing to commit. The Astros did the greatest tear it all down rebuild of them all and even they realized before this year they needed to plop down a bunch of cash for guys like McCann and Reddick.

Also I mean as awesome as the players they've acquired are the odds are probably still against even one of them becoming as great of a player as Chris Sale was. I still think the likeliest scenario for a Sox rebuild is they end up with the same 85 win true talent roster they refuse to add on to that they had before this year.

[Chuck to Chuck]

It's going to be hard to make fun of them from here on out. Rick Hahn is doing a solid Theo imitation.

Let's see how the draft goes for them, they've got some work to do if they're going to catch the Phillies for the first overall pick.

Actually I think the easy way to make fun of them is to point out that the reason their rebuild is going so awesome is because normally teams that are rebuilding don't have a billion young, cheap, controllable players like Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Abreu to trade, because most teams would have spent money and figured out how to actually win something with that group.

Yeah, but the change in the Sox's organizational thinking perfectly coincides with Hahn actually getting free reign. Kenny Williams is a fucking dunce. I don't even think you could find Sox fans who would argue that point.

I think Rick Hahn is a smart dude, but "free reign" to trade and wheel and deal is not the same as getting the cash he's going to eventually need to put them over the top. It is extremely hard to build an entire world series contender from the ground up. The Royals are about the only team in recent memory that has done it. The Cubs smartly built a core that gave them production and cost certainty but they wouldn't have done what they did the last two years without dropping serious cash on Lester/Lackey/Zobrist/Heyward/Fowler that the White Sox have rarely ever been willing to commit. The Astros did the greatest tear it all down rebuild of them all and even they realized before this year they needed to plop down a bunch of cash for guys like McCann and Reddick.

Also I mean as awesome as the players they've acquired are the odds are probably still against even one of them becoming as great of a player as Chris Sale was. I still think the likeliest scenario for a Sox rebuild is they end up with the same 85 win true talent roster they refuse to add on to that they had before this year.

The more likely scenario is that a different owner will make those spending decisions. Reinsdorf has said for years that his family should keep the Bulls and sell the Sox after he's gone. http://www.espn.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9299151/jerry-reinsdorf-suggests-selling-chicago-white-sox-succession-plans

[SKO]

It's going to be hard to make fun of them from here on out. Rick Hahn is doing a solid Theo imitation.

Let's see how the draft goes for them, they've got some work to do if they're going to catch the Phillies for the first overall pick.

Actually I think the easy way to make fun of them is to point out that the reason their rebuild is going so awesome is because normally teams that are rebuilding don't have a billion young, cheap, controllable players like Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Abreu to trade, because most teams would have spent money and figured out how to actually win something with that group.

Yeah, but the change in the Sox's organizational thinking perfectly coincides with Hahn actually getting free reign. Kenny Williams is a fucking dunce. I don't even think you could find Sox fans who would argue that point.

I think Rick Hahn is a smart dude, but "free reign" to trade and wheel and deal is not the same as getting the cash he's going to eventually need to put them over the top. It is extremely hard to build an entire world series contender from the ground up. The Royals are about the only team in recent memory that has done it. The Cubs smartly built a core that gave them production and cost certainty but they wouldn't have done what they did the last two years without dropping serious cash on Lester/Lackey/Zobrist/Heyward/Fowler that the White Sox have rarely ever been willing to commit. The Astros did the greatest tear it all down rebuild of them all and even they realized before this year they needed to plop down a bunch of cash for guys like McCann and Reddick.

Also I mean as awesome as the players they've acquired are the odds are probably still against even one of them becoming as great of a player as Chris Sale was. I still think the likeliest scenario for a Sox rebuild is they end up with the same 85 win true talent roster they refuse to add on to that they had before this year.

The more likely scenario is that a different owner will make those spending decisions. Reinsdorf has said for years that his family should keep the Bulls and sell the Sox after he's gone. http://www.espn.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9299151/jerry-reinsdorf-suggests-selling-chicago-white-sox-succession-plans

Wow. That man really fucking hates Bulls fans.

[Quality Start Machine]

It's going to be hard to make fun of them from here on out. Rick Hahn is doing a solid Theo imitation.

Let's see how the draft goes for them, they've got some work to do if they're going to catch the Phillies for the first overall pick.

Actually I think the easy way to make fun of them is to point out that the reason their rebuild is going so awesome is because normally teams that are rebuilding don't have a billion young, cheap, controllable players like Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Abreu to trade, because most teams would have spent money and figured out how to actually win something with that group.

Yeah, but the change in the Sox's organizational thinking perfectly coincides with Hahn actually getting free reign. Kenny Williams is a fucking dunce. I don't even think you could find Sox fans who would argue that point.

I think Rick Hahn is a smart dude, but "free reign" to trade and wheel and deal is not the same as getting the cash he's going to eventually need to put them over the top. It is extremely hard to build an entire world series contender from the ground up. The Royals are about the only team in recent memory that has done it. The Cubs smartly built a core that gave them production and cost certainty but they wouldn't have done what they did the last two years without dropping serious cash on Lester/Lackey/Zobrist/Heyward/Fowler that the White Sox have rarely ever been willing to commit. The Astros did the greatest tear it all down rebuild of them all and even they realized before this year they needed to plop down a bunch of cash for guys like McCann and Reddick.

Also I mean as awesome as the players they've acquired are the odds are probably still against even one of them becoming as great of a player as Chris Sale was. I still think the likeliest scenario for a Sox rebuild is they end up with the same 85 win true talent roster they refuse to add on to that they had before this year.

The more likely scenario is that a different owner will make those spending decisions. Reinsdorf has said for years that his family should keep the Bulls and sell the Sox after he's gone. http://www.espn.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9299151/jerry-reinsdorf-suggests-selling-chicago-white-sox-succession-plans

Wow. That man really fucking hates Bulls fans.

He makes a fuckload more dough off the NBA and United Center revenue than he'd ever make off having the second-most popular baseball team in town.

[SKO]

It's going to be hard to make fun of them from here on out. Rick Hahn is doing a solid Theo imitation.

Let's see how the draft goes for them, they've got some work to do if they're going to catch the Phillies for the first overall pick.

Actually I think the easy way to make fun of them is to point out that the reason their rebuild is going so awesome is because normally teams that are rebuilding don't have a billion young, cheap, controllable players like Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Abreu to trade, because most teams would have spent money and figured out how to actually win something with that group.

Yeah, but the change in the Sox's organizational thinking perfectly coincides with Hahn actually getting free reign. Kenny Williams is a fucking dunce. I don't even think you could find Sox fans who would argue that point.

I think Rick Hahn is a smart dude, but "free reign" to trade and wheel and deal is not the same as getting the cash he's going to eventually need to put them over the top. It is extremely hard to build an entire world series contender from the ground up. The Royals are about the only team in recent memory that has done it. The Cubs smartly built a core that gave them production and cost certainty but they wouldn't have done what they did the last two years without dropping serious cash on Lester/Lackey/Zobrist/Heyward/Fowler that the White Sox have rarely ever been willing to commit. The Astros did the greatest tear it all down rebuild of them all and even they realized before this year they needed to plop down a bunch of cash for guys like McCann and Reddick.

Also I mean as awesome as the players they've acquired are the odds are probably still against even one of them becoming as great of a player as Chris Sale was. I still think the likeliest scenario for a Sox rebuild is they end up with the same 85 win true talent roster they refuse to add on to that they had before this year.

The more likely scenario is that a different owner will make those spending decisions. Reinsdorf has said for years that his family should keep the Bulls and sell the Sox after he's gone. http://www.espn.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9299151/jerry-reinsdorf-suggests-selling-chicago-white-sox-succession-plans

Wow. That man really fucking hates Bulls fans.

He makes a fuckload more dough off the NBA and United Center revenue than he'd ever make off having the second-most popular baseball team in town.

Yeah the Cubs winning the world series pretty much puts the final nail in that coffin, at least for a generation or so. The Sox had a real opportunity to build some momentum around '05 and failed miserably.

[Quality Start Machine]

It's going to be hard to make fun of them from here on out. Rick Hahn is doing a solid Theo imitation.

Let's see how the draft goes for them, they've got some work to do if they're going to catch the Phillies for the first overall pick.

Actually I think the easy way to make fun of them is to point out that the reason their rebuild is going so awesome is because normally teams that are rebuilding don't have a billion young, cheap, controllable players like Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Abreu to trade, because most teams would have spent money and figured out how to actually win something with that group.

Yeah, but the change in the Sox's organizational thinking perfectly coincides with Hahn actually getting free reign. Kenny Williams is a fucking dunce. I don't even think you could find Sox fans who would argue that point.

I think Rick Hahn is a smart dude, but "free reign" to trade and wheel and deal is not the same as getting the cash he's going to eventually need to put them over the top. It is extremely hard to build an entire world series contender from the ground up. The Royals are about the only team in recent memory that has done it. The Cubs smartly built a core that gave them production and cost certainty but they wouldn't have done what they did the last two years without dropping serious cash on Lester/Lackey/Zobrist/Heyward/Fowler that the White Sox have rarely ever been willing to commit. The Astros did the greatest tear it all down rebuild of them all and even they realized before this year they needed to plop down a bunch of cash for guys like McCann and Reddick.

Also I mean as awesome as the players they've acquired are the odds are probably still against even one of them becoming as great of a player as Chris Sale was. I still think the likeliest scenario for a Sox rebuild is they end up with the same 85 win true talent roster they refuse to add on to that they had before this year.

The more likely scenario is that a different owner will make those spending decisions. Reinsdorf has said for years that his family should keep the Bulls and sell the Sox after he's gone. http://www.espn.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9299151/jerry-reinsdorf-suggests-selling-chicago-white-sox-succession-plans

Wow. That man really fucking hates Bulls fans.

He makes a fuckload more dough off the NBA and United Center revenue than he'd ever make off having the second-most popular baseball team in town.

Yeah the Cubs winning the world series pretty much puts the final nail in that coffin, at least for a generation or so. The Sox had a real opportunity to build some momentum around '05 and failed miserably.

The '05 team was lightning in a bottle. There wasn't anything to build from.

[SKO]

It's going to be hard to make fun of them from here on out. Rick Hahn is doing a solid Theo imitation.

Let's see how the draft goes for them, they've got some work to do if they're going to catch the Phillies for the first overall pick.

Actually I think the easy way to make fun of them is to point out that the reason their rebuild is going so awesome is because normally teams that are rebuilding don't have a billion young, cheap, controllable players like Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Abreu to trade, because most teams would have spent money and figured out how to actually win something with that group.

Yeah, but the change in the Sox's organizational thinking perfectly coincides with Hahn actually getting free reign. Kenny Williams is a fucking dunce. I don't even think you could find Sox fans who would argue that point.

I think Rick Hahn is a smart dude, but "free reign" to trade and wheel and deal is not the same as getting the cash he's going to eventually need to put them over the top. It is extremely hard to build an entire world series contender from the ground up. The Royals are about the only team in recent memory that has done it. The Cubs smartly built a core that gave them production and cost certainty but they wouldn't have done what they did the last two years without dropping serious cash on Lester/Lackey/Zobrist/Heyward/Fowler that the White Sox have rarely ever been willing to commit. The Astros did the greatest tear it all down rebuild of them all and even they realized before this year they needed to plop down a bunch of cash for guys like McCann and Reddick.

Also I mean as awesome as the players they've acquired are the odds are probably still against even one of them becoming as great of a player as Chris Sale was. I still think the likeliest scenario for a Sox rebuild is they end up with the same 85 win true talent roster they refuse to add on to that they had before this year.

The more likely scenario is that a different owner will make those spending decisions. Reinsdorf has said for years that his family should keep the Bulls and sell the Sox after he's gone. http://www.espn.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9299151/jerry-reinsdorf-suggests-selling-chicago-white-sox-succession-plans

Wow. That man really fucking hates Bulls fans.

He makes a fuckload more dough off the NBA and United Center revenue than he'd ever make off having the second-most popular baseball team in town.

Yeah the Cubs winning the world series pretty much puts the final nail in that coffin, at least for a generation or so. The Sox had a real opportunity to build some momentum around '05 and failed miserably.

The '05 team was lightning in a bottle. There wasn't anything to build from.

Oh yeah, it was a fluke and that's why it wasn't sustainable, my point was just if they had, somehow, sustained it they might have been able to chip away from the Cubs in a way they hadn't before. Pretty much every opportunity the Sox have had to become THE TEAM has been followed by them face-planting while the Cubs enjoy enough success that people who might have wavered stay on board. 83 White Sox followed by 84 Cubs, early 90s Sox did the White Flag trade round the same time Sosa was getting going for the Cubs, then as soon as what was left of the 05 Sox went belly up in 07 the Cubs had back to back division winners.

2006 was just the only time I ever saw White Sox hats/jerseys in any kind of numbers all the way out in western Illinois/Iowa. They had a chance, and it went away fast.

[Chuck to Chuck]

It's going to be hard to make fun of them from here on out. Rick Hahn is doing a solid Theo imitation.

Let's see how the draft goes for them, they've got some work to do if they're going to catch the Phillies for the first overall pick.

Actually I think the easy way to make fun of them is to point out that the reason their rebuild is going so awesome is because normally teams that are rebuilding don't have a billion young, cheap, controllable players like Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Abreu to trade, because most teams would have spent money and figured out how to actually win something with that group.

Yeah, but the change in the Sox's organizational thinking perfectly coincides with Hahn actually getting free reign. Kenny Williams is a fucking dunce. I don't even think you could find Sox fans who would argue that point.

I think Rick Hahn is a smart dude, but "free reign" to trade and wheel and deal is not the same as getting the cash he's going to eventually need to put them over the top. It is extremely hard to build an entire world series contender from the ground up. The Royals are about the only team in recent memory that has done it. The Cubs smartly built a core that gave them production and cost certainty but they wouldn't have done what they did the last two years without dropping serious cash on Lester/Lackey/Zobrist/Heyward/Fowler that the White Sox have rarely ever been willing to commit. The Astros did the greatest tear it all down rebuild of them all and even they realized before this year they needed to plop down a bunch of cash for guys like McCann and Reddick.

Also I mean as awesome as the players they've acquired are the odds are probably still against even one of them becoming as great of a player as Chris Sale was. I still think the likeliest scenario for a Sox rebuild is they end up with the same 85 win true talent roster they refuse to add on to that they had before this year.

The more likely scenario is that a different owner will make those spending decisions. Reinsdorf has said for years that his family should keep the Bulls and sell the Sox after he's gone. http://www.espn.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9299151/jerry-reinsdorf-suggests-selling-chicago-white-sox-succession-plans

Wow. That man really fucking hates Bulls fans.

He makes a fuckload more dough off the NBA and United Center revenue than he'd ever make off having the second-most popular baseball team in town.

Not sure that's right given the way the lease is on Comiskey as of today. But, he owns the UC and only leases Comiskey. Leases can change. Long term upside far higher on the UC property. Further, with a salary cap in the NBA, profits are pretty much guaranteed vs. MLB.

[Brownie]

It's going to be hard to make fun of them from here on out. Rick Hahn is doing a solid Theo imitation.

Let's see how the draft goes for them, they've got some work to do if they're going to catch the Phillies for the first overall pick.

Actually I think the easy way to make fun of them is to point out that the reason their rebuild is going so awesome is because normally teams that are rebuilding don't have a billion young, cheap, controllable players like Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Abreu to trade, because most teams would have spent money and figured out how to actually win something with that group.

Yeah, but the change in the Sox's organizational thinking perfectly coincides with Hahn actually getting free reign. Kenny Williams is a fucking dunce. I don't even think you could find Sox fans who would argue that point.

I think Rick Hahn is a smart dude, but "free reign" to trade and wheel and deal is not the same as getting the cash he's going to eventually need to put them over the top. It is extremely hard to build an entire world series contender from the ground up. The Royals are about the only team in recent memory that has done it. The Cubs smartly built a core that gave them production and cost certainty but they wouldn't have done what they did the last two years without dropping serious cash on Lester/Lackey/Zobrist/Heyward/Fowler that the White Sox have rarely ever been willing to commit. The Astros did the greatest tear it all down rebuild of them all and even they realized before this year they needed to plop down a bunch of cash for guys like McCann and Reddick.

Also I mean as awesome as the players they've acquired are the odds are probably still against even one of them becoming as great of a player as Chris Sale was. I still think the likeliest scenario for a Sox rebuild is they end up with the same 85 win true talent roster they refuse to add on to that they had before this year.

The more likely scenario is that a different owner will make those spending decisions. Reinsdorf has said for years that his family should keep the Bulls and sell the Sox after he's gone. http://www.espn.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9299151/jerry-reinsdorf-suggests-selling-chicago-white-sox-succession-plans

Wow. That man really fucking hates Bulls fans.

He makes a fuckload more dough off the NBA and United Center revenue than he'd ever make off having the second-most popular baseball team in town.

Not sure that's right given the way the lease is on Comiskey as of today. But, he owns the UC and only leases Comiskey. Leases can change. Long term upside far higher on the UC property. Further, with a salary cap in the NBA, profits are pretty much guaranteed vs. MLB.

When does Comiskularate Field lease expire? Sox could be a candidate to move to Vegas, Charlotte, or Montreal.

[thehawk]

It's going to be hard to make fun of them from here on out. Rick Hahn is doing a solid Theo imitation.

Let's see how the draft goes for them, they've got some work to do if they're going to catch the Phillies for the first overall pick.

Actually I think the easy way to make fun of them is to point out that the reason their rebuild is going so awesome is because normally teams that are rebuilding don't have a billion young, cheap, controllable players like Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Abreu to trade, because most teams would have spent money and figured out how to actually win something with that group.

Yeah, but the change in the Sox's organizational thinking perfectly coincides with Hahn actually getting free reign. Kenny Williams is a fucking dunce. I don't even think you could find Sox fans who would argue that point.

I think Rick Hahn is a smart dude, but "free reign" to trade and wheel and deal is not the same as getting the cash he's going to eventually need to put them over the top. It is extremely hard to build an entire world series contender from the ground up. The Royals are about the only team in recent memory that has done it. The Cubs smartly built a core that gave them production and cost certainty but they wouldn't have done what they did the last two years without dropping serious cash on Lester/Lackey/Zobrist/Heyward/Fowler that the White Sox have rarely ever been willing to commit. The Astros did the greatest tear it all down rebuild of them all and even they realized before this year they needed to plop down a bunch of cash for guys like McCann and Reddick.

Also I mean as awesome as the players they've acquired are the odds are probably still against even one of them becoming as great of a player as Chris Sale was. I still think the likeliest scenario for a Sox rebuild is they end up with the same 85 win true talent roster they refuse to add on to that they had before this year.

The more likely scenario is that a different owner will make those spending decisions. Reinsdorf has said for years that his family should keep the Bulls and sell the Sox after he's gone. http://www.espn.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9299151/jerry-reinsdorf-suggests-selling-chicago-white-sox-succession-plans

Wow. That man really fucking hates Bulls fans.

He makes a fuckload more dough off the NBA and United Center revenue than he'd ever make off having the second-most popular baseball team in town.

Not sure that's right given the way the lease is on Comiskey as of today. But, he owns the UC and only leases Comiskey. Leases can change. Long term upside far higher on the UC property. Further, with a salary cap in the NBA, profits are pretty much guaranteed vs. MLB.

When does Comiskularate Field lease expire? Sox could be a candidate to move to Vegas, Charlotte, or Montreal.

2029

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/ct-rosenthal-white-sox-guaranteed-rate-isfa-0828-biz-20160826-column.html

[Quality Start Machine]

It's going to be hard to make fun of them from here on out. Rick Hahn is doing a solid Theo imitation.

Let's see how the draft goes for them, they've got some work to do if they're going to catch the Phillies for the first overall pick.

Actually I think the easy way to make fun of them is to point out that the reason their rebuild is going so awesome is because normally teams that are rebuilding don't have a billion young, cheap, controllable players like Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Abreu to trade, because most teams would have spent money and figured out how to actually win something with that group.

Yeah, but the change in the Sox's organizational thinking perfectly coincides with Hahn actually getting free reign. Kenny Williams is a fucking dunce. I don't even think you could find Sox fans who would argue that point.

I think Rick Hahn is a smart dude, but "free reign" to trade and wheel and deal is not the same as getting the cash he's going to eventually need to put them over the top. It is extremely hard to build an entire world series contender from the ground up. The Royals are about the only team in recent memory that has done it. The Cubs smartly built a core that gave them production and cost certainty but they wouldn't have done what they did the last two years without dropping serious cash on Lester/Lackey/Zobrist/Heyward/Fowler that the White Sox have rarely ever been willing to commit. The Astros did the greatest tear it all down rebuild of them all and even they realized before this year they needed to plop down a bunch of cash for guys like McCann and Reddick.

Also I mean as awesome as the players they've acquired are the odds are probably still against even one of them becoming as great of a player as Chris Sale was. I still think the likeliest scenario for a Sox rebuild is they end up with the same 85 win true talent roster they refuse to add on to that they had before this year.

The more likely scenario is that a different owner will make those spending decisions. Reinsdorf has said for years that his family should keep the Bulls and sell the Sox after he's gone. http://www.espn.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9299151/jerry-reinsdorf-suggests-selling-chicago-white-sox-succession-plans

Wow. That man really fucking hates Bulls fans.

He makes a fuckload more dough off the NBA and United Center revenue than he'd ever make off having the second-most popular baseball team in town.

Not sure that's right given the way the lease is on Comiskey as of today. But, he owns the UC and only leases Comiskey. Leases can change. Long term upside far higher on the UC property. Further, with a salary cap in the NBA, profits are pretty much guaranteed vs. MLB.

Plus, his (half) ownership of the UC beats the Down Arrow, even if he owned it. That place is dark 324 nights a year. The UC probably never has less than 200 events a year. That's a lot of cars parked and promoter dollars.

[Chuck to Chuck]

Plus, his (half) ownership of the UC beats the Down Arrow, even if he owned it. That place is dark 324 nights a year. The UC probably never has less than 200 events a year. That's a lot of cars parked and promoter dollars.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-sox-cell-funding-isfa-met-20160521-story.html

He's still doing better at Comiskey right now:

"the deal requires any nonbaseball events to be approved by the Sox, which some have said deprives the authority of the opportunity to book concerts and other lucrative activities.

Several years ago, the authority paid nearly $7 million to build a 10,000-square-foot restaurant outside the stadium, now called the ChiSox Bar & Grill. The team pitched in $1 million, but the authority agreed to forgo any profits at Reinsdorf's request.

Under the deal, the Sox didn't have to pay a fee for use of the stadium until 2008. In 2015, that fee amounted to about $1.6 million.

The Sox also must pay a fee on each ticket sold in excess of 1.93 million in paid attendance. Since 2008, the Sox have paid that fee only in 2010, when games drew 2.2 million fans. However, the Sox were allowed to apply a credit based on the taxes the team paid that year, reducing the ticket fee payment from $455,974 to $95,531."

"Gov. Jim Thompson worked the floors of the General Assembly to pass a law creating the facilities authority in order to build a new ballpark. (Thompson later served as the authority's board chairman.) The clock on the House floor was turned off in order to meet a midnight deadline."

Thompson's version of Medicare D. He's our worst former governor not in jail.  What a fucking hack job.

[Oleg]

It's going to be hard to make fun of them from here on out. Rick Hahn is doing a solid Theo imitation.

Let's see how the draft goes for them, they've got some work to do if they're going to catch the Phillies for the first overall pick.

Actually I think the easy way to make fun of them is to point out that the reason their rebuild is going so awesome is because normally teams that are rebuilding don't have a billion young, cheap, controllable players like Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Abreu to trade, because most teams would have spent money and figured out how to actually win something with that group.

Yeah, but the change in the Sox's organizational thinking perfectly coincides with Hahn actually getting free reign. Kenny Williams is a fucking dunce. I don't even think you could find Sox fans who would argue that point.

I think Rick Hahn is a smart dude, but "free reign" to trade and wheel and deal is not the same as getting the cash he's going to eventually need to put them over the top. It is extremely hard to build an entire world series contender from the ground up. The Royals are about the only team in recent memory that has done it. The Cubs smartly built a core that gave them production and cost certainty but they wouldn't have done what they did the last two years without dropping serious cash on Lester/Lackey/Zobrist/Heyward/Fowler that the White Sox have rarely ever been willing to commit. The Astros did the greatest tear it all down rebuild of them all and even they realized before this year they needed to plop down a bunch of cash for guys like McCann and Reddick.

Also I mean as awesome as the players they've acquired are the odds are probably still against even one of them becoming as great of a player as Chris Sale was. I still think the likeliest scenario for a Sox rebuild is they end up with the same 85 win true talent roster they refuse to add on to that they had before this year.

The more likely scenario is that a different owner will make those spending decisions. Reinsdorf has said for years that his family should keep the Bulls and sell the Sox after he's gone. http://www.espn.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9299151/jerry-reinsdorf-suggests-selling-chicago-white-sox-succession-plans

Wow. That man really fucking hates Bulls fans.

He makes a fuckload more dough off the NBA and United Center revenue than he'd ever make off having the second-most popular baseball team in town.

Not sure that's right given the way the lease is on Comiskey as of today. But, he owns the UC and only leases Comiskey. Leases can change. Long term upside far higher on the UC property. Further, with a salary cap in the NBA, profits are pretty much guaranteed vs. MLB.

Plus, his (half) ownership of the UC beats the Down Arrow, even if he owned it. That place is dark 324 nights a year. The UC probably never has less than 200 events a year. That's a lot of cars parked and promoter dollars.

324?

[Quality Start Machine]

It's going to be hard to make fun of them from here on out. Rick Hahn is doing a solid Theo imitation.

Let's see how the draft goes for them, they've got some work to do if they're going to catch the Phillies for the first overall pick.

Actually I think the easy way to make fun of them is to point out that the reason their rebuild is going so awesome is because normally teams that are rebuilding don't have a billion young, cheap, controllable players like Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Abreu to trade, because most teams would have spent money and figured out how to actually win something with that group.

Yeah, but the change in the Sox's organizational thinking perfectly coincides with Hahn actually getting free reign. Kenny Williams is a fucking dunce. I don't even think you could find Sox fans who would argue that point.

I think Rick Hahn is a smart dude, but "free reign" to trade and wheel and deal is not the same as getting the cash he's going to eventually need to put them over the top. It is extremely hard to build an entire world series contender from the ground up. The Royals are about the only team in recent memory that has done it. The Cubs smartly built a core that gave them production and cost certainty but they wouldn't have done what they did the last two years without dropping serious cash on Lester/Lackey/Zobrist/Heyward/Fowler that the White Sox have rarely ever been willing to commit. The Astros did the greatest tear it all down rebuild of them all and even they realized before this year they needed to plop down a bunch of cash for guys like McCann and Reddick.

Also I mean as awesome as the players they've acquired are the odds are probably still against even one of them becoming as great of a player as Chris Sale was. I still think the likeliest scenario for a Sox rebuild is they end up with the same 85 win true talent roster they refuse to add on to that they had before this year.

The more likely scenario is that a different owner will make those spending decisions. Reinsdorf has said for years that his family should keep the Bulls and sell the Sox after he's gone. http://www.espn.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9299151/jerry-reinsdorf-suggests-selling-chicago-white-sox-succession-plans

Wow. That man really fucking hates Bulls fans.

He makes a fuckload more dough off the NBA and United Center revenue than he'd ever make off having the second-most popular baseball team in town.

Not sure that's right given the way the lease is on Comiskey as of today. But, he owns the UC and only leases Comiskey. Leases can change. Long term upside far higher on the UC property. Further, with a salary cap in the NBA, profits are pretty much guaranteed vs. MLB.

Plus, his (half) ownership of the UC beats the Down Arrow, even if he owned it. That place is dark 324 nights a year. The UC probably never has less than 200 events a year. That's a lot of cars parked and promoter dollars.

324?

325 in leap years. It's dark except for Sox games. Shit, they can't even get a country act booked in there.

Maybe they book the park for commercials and shit, but they probably even do those before games.

ETA: They had one gig last year, Chance the Rapper. So 323.

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Give Jerry Reinsdorf credit: the fucker is good at being a greedy shithead