2009 College Football Thread

[thehawk]

This may be as sensible a place as any for this.  I have 3 tickets for the NU Penn State game this Saturday (10/31) at 3:30.  I am out of town and looking for them to go to a good home.  Tickets are pretty good (20 rows up at the 10 yard line) and come with seatbacks and everything.  Will be fireworks after the game and trick or treating before.  Message me before Wednesday if you have an interest.

[Internet Apex]

This may be as sensible a place as any for this.  I have 3 tickets for the NU Penn State game this Saturday (10/31) at 3:30.  I am out of town and looking for them to go to a good home.  Tickets are pretty good (20 rows up at the 10 yard line) and come with seatbacks and everything.  Will be fireworks after the game and trick or treating before.  Message me before Wednesday if you have an interest.

Hi.

I'm not interested.

[Chuck to Chuck]

I honestly can't see the Hawks winning at Ohio State, but than again I said the same things about them not winning at Penn State, Wisconsin, or Michigan State and look how wrong I was there.

They also don't play Illinois or Purdue.

They have won 12 in a row,

As an Iowa grad who still lives in the Iowa City area, I had gotten kind of tired of the fanaticism a lot of Iowans have toward the football team. But seeing this story develop and some of the ways they've won games is pretty interesting. And they do it with a lot of Iowa kids mixed in with some out-of-staters who weren't four- or five-star recruits. Ferentz seems like a decent guy and is well-respected. It's not to say that the program hasn't had it's share of run-ins with the law, but that seems to have toned down and gotten better, too.

After watching them against Wisconsin (thanks for outing Bielema a little more as a crap coach) and MSU, their d line should fair well at OSU.  They are going to face a much better secondary than they have in two weeks though and that's where you should be concerned.  That was a great game Saturday night, so it will be interesting to see how they do.

They better not fuck it up against Indiana or Northwestern.

[Ghost of Dave Rosello]

Even though Chuck G is a butthole I'm going to announce my full support for Iowa for the rest of the season. I hope they can run the table just to see how this whole thing works when Florida and Texas are also undefeated.

I want to see righteous indignation.

Iowa wins the rights to get their ass beat by USC in the Rose bowl?

If Iowa runs the table, they'll win the right to get their ass beat by Florida or Alabama in the Rose Bowl in the BCS title game. They are already #1 in the BCS computers.  A win at the Shoe and they'll be in the top 3 in the voting polls once the Florida Alabama game is over.

Maybe.  That would hopefully mean end of the BCS.  But Texas will be playing in the game if they go undefeated.  Iowa will fall in the computers because more likely than not, undefeated team from the SEC will be ranked number 1 by the computers.  That hurts Iowa because undefeated Texas will be ranked number 2 in Harris and Coaches poll.

And then Iowa fans will piss and moan about the BCS not putting them in the title game. The Big Ten is god awful, and you can't convince me that Iowa wouldn't just get raped by a faster SEC, PAC 10, or Big 12 champion in a BCS bowl. They follow the same exact god damn formula that Penn State and Ohio State have followed for the last few years. Anyone who is denying the complete suckitude of the Big Ten really needs a wakeup call, because they're 15-28 in bowls since 2003. In that time they're 3-8 in BCS bowls, and the last time they won was in January of 2006. One was Penn State beating a 4 loss Florida State team that got in ass backwardly, and the other was Ohio State beating a 3 loss Notre Dame team that only got in because the system is biased in ND's favor the few times they've managed to run that cheesecake of a schedule to the amount of wins that should be automatic for such a "great" program. So yeah, the SEC, PAC 10, and Big 12 all have a better reason to claim that spot if they go undefeated, and hell, with the gauntlet that the SEC is they should consider a one loss SEC Champion over an undefeated Big Ten champ.

Updated just to note: Before any god damn Hawkeye fan comes back with "We're not coached by Jim Tressel" or some crap like that I'll just refer to the last time Ferentz got his club into a BCS Bowl.

Of course Iowa was the only Big 10 team to win it's bowl game last year and they beat one of those faster SEC teams. As a matter of fact, their last three bowl wins are against faster SEC schools.

Iowa has also played a tougher schedule than Florida, Texas, Alabama, TCU, Cincinnati and Boise State to this point. That's why they're No. 1 in the computer rankings. They aren't pretty to watch but they're getting it done.

That said, I just can't see them winning in Columbus. But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.

[Chuck to Chuck]

But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.

Iowa goes to the Rose Bowl if they win out but for OSU.

[Internet Apex]

But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.

Iowa goes to the Rose Bowl if they win out but for OSU.

That would mean that OSU gets another loss someplace. Whereabouts? I'm not saying they won't. And I'm not convinced Iowa won't beat them at Columbus. I think they're pretty ordinary.

[Ghost of Dave Rosello]

But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.

Iowa goes to the Rose Bowl if they win out but for OSU.

That would mean that OSU gets another loss someplace. Whereabouts? I'm not saying they won't. And I'm not convinced Iowa won't beat them at Columbus. I think they're pretty ordinary.

OSU is going to lose to Penn State.

[Chuck to Chuck]

But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.

Iowa goes to the Rose Bowl if they win out but for OSU.

That would mean that OSU gets another loss someplace. Whereabouts? I'm not saying they won't. And I'm not convinced Iowa won't beat them at Columbus. I think they're pretty ordinary.

I believe they changed the rules a few years ago so that total record, not just Big 10 record is the deciding factor.  OSU already has 2 losses.  If Iowa finishes 11-1, even with a loss to OSU, they'd go to Pasadena.  Maybe 10.17(c) applies, but I don't think so.

[World B Free]

But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.

Iowa goes to the Rose Bowl if they win out but for OSU.

That would mean that OSU gets another loss someplace. Whereabouts? I'm not saying they won't. And I'm not convinced Iowa won't beat them at Columbus. I think they're pretty ordinary.

I believe they changed the rules a few years ago so that total record, not just Big 10 record is the deciding factor.  OSU already has 2 losses.  If Iowa finishes 11-1, even with a loss to OSU, they'd go to Pasadena.  Maybe 10.17(c) applies, but I don't think so.

I do believe that total record is the first tie break after Big 10 record.  Then its pie eating contest with the head coaches of the tied teams and indian leg wrestling best 2 of 3 falls.

[Internet Apex]

Uh, yeah... That's not correct.

http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102204aad.html

METHOD TO DETERMINE BIG TEN CONFERENCE AUTOMATIC
REPRESENTATIVE TO THE BOWL CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES

Effective for bowl games following the 2006-09 regular football seasons, the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) will consist of five (5) bowl games: BCS National Championship Game, Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Orange Bowl, and Sugar Bowl. Participation by a Big Ten Conference member institution will be determined as follows:

a. BCS National Championship Game. In the event the conference has one or two football teams ranked No. 1 and/or No. 2 in the final BCS poll, these conference team(s) shall participate in the BCS National Championship Game.

b. Rose Bowl. Unless ranked No. 1 or No. 2 in the final BCS poll, the conference champion shall participate in the Rose Bowl. The championship shall be determined on the percentage basis of conference games (tie games counts ½ win and ½ loss). If there is a tie for the championship, the Rose Bowl representative will be determined as follows:

1) An ineligible team shall not be considered in the standings for determination of the conference representative.
2) If there is a tie for the championship, the winner of the game between these two teams shall represent the conference.3) If there is still a tie for the championship, or if the tied teams did not play each other, the team that played more games against Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) teams shall be eliminated.
4) If there is still a tie, or if the tied teams did not play each other, or if both teams played the same number of games against an FCS team(s), the representative shall be determined on the percentage basis of all games played.
5) If there is still a tie, the most recent team earning BCS automatic selection shall be eliminated.

Total record could be a factor in that BCS Championship bid, I guess. Though I'm not going to strain myself to figure out how.

[World B Free]

Uh, yeah... That's not correct.

http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102204aad.html

METHOD TO DETERMINE BIG TEN CONFERENCE AUTOMATIC
REPRESENTATIVE TO THE BOWL CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES

Effective for bowl games following the 2006-09 regular football seasons, the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) will consist of five (5) bowl games: BCS National Championship Game, Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Orange Bowl, and Sugar Bowl. Participation by a Big Ten Conference member institution will be determined as follows:

a. BCS National Championship Game. In the event the conference has one or two football teams ranked No. 1 and/or No. 2 in the final BCS poll, these conference team(s) shall participate in the BCS National Championship Game.

b. Rose Bowl. Unless ranked No. 1 or No. 2 in the final BCS poll, the conference champion shall participate in the Rose Bowl. The championship shall be determined on the percentage basis of conference games (tie games counts ½ win and ½ loss). If there is a tie for the championship, the Rose Bowl representative will be determined as follows:

1) An ineligible team shall not be considered in the standings for determination of the conference representative.
2) If there is a tie for the championship, the winner of the game between these two teams shall represent the conference.3) If there is still a tie for the championship, or if the tied teams did not play each other, the team that played more games against Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) teams shall be eliminated.
4) If there is still a tie, or if the tied teams did not play each other, or if both teams played the same number of games against an FCS team(s), the representative shall be determined on the percentage basis of all games played.
5) If there is still a tie, the most recent team earning BCS automatic selection shall be eliminated.

Total record could be a factor in that BCS Championship bid, I guess. Though I'm not going to strain myself to figure out how.

So the pie eating and indian leg wrestling have been eliminated?  That sucks.

[Ghost of Dave Rosello]

Uh, yeah... That's not correct.

http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102204aad.html

METHOD TO DETERMINE BIG TEN CONFERENCE AUTOMATIC
REPRESENTATIVE TO THE BOWL CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES

Effective for bowl games following the 2006-09 regular football seasons, the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) will consist of five (5) bowl games: BCS National Championship Game, Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Orange Bowl, and Sugar Bowl. Participation by a Big Ten Conference member institution will be determined as follows:

a. BCS National Championship Game. In the event the conference has one or two football teams ranked No. 1 and/or No. 2 in the final BCS poll, these conference team(s) shall participate in the BCS National Championship Game.

b. Rose Bowl. Unless ranked No. 1 or No. 2 in the final BCS poll, the conference champion shall participate in the Rose Bowl. The championship shall be determined on the percentage basis of conference games (tie games counts ½ win and ½ loss). If there is a tie for the championship, the Rose Bowl representative will be determined as follows:

1) An ineligible team shall not be considered in the standings for determination of the conference representative.
2) If there is a tie for the championship, the winner of the game between these two teams shall represent the conference.3) If there is still a tie for the championship, or if the tied teams did not play each other, the team that played more games against Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) teams shall be eliminated.
4) If there is still a tie, or if the tied teams did not play each other, or if both teams played the same number of games against an FCS team(s), the representative shall be determined on the percentage basis of all games played.
5) If there is still a tie, the most recent team earning BCS automatic selection shall be eliminated.

Total record could be a factor in that BCS Championship bid, I guess. Though I'm not going to strain myself to figure out how.

Huh, I thought the "team with the highest ranking in the BCS standings" was one of the tiebreakers. Guess not.

[SKO]

Even though Chuck G is a butthole I'm going to announce my full support for Iowa for the rest of the season. I hope they can run the table just to see how this whole thing works when Florida and Texas are also undefeated.

I want to see righteous indignation.

Iowa wins the rights to get their ass beat by USC in the Rose bowl?

If Iowa runs the table, they'll win the right to get their ass beat by Florida or Alabama in the Rose Bowl in the BCS title game. They are already #1 in the BCS computers.  A win at the Shoe and they'll be in the top 3 in the voting polls once the Florida Alabama game is over.

Maybe.  That would hopefully mean end of the BCS.  But Texas will be playing in the game if they go undefeated.  Iowa will fall in the computers because more likely than not, undefeated team from the SEC will be ranked number 1 by the computers.  That hurts Iowa because undefeated Texas will be ranked number 2 in Harris and Coaches poll.

And then Iowa fans will piss and moan about the BCS not putting them in the title game. The Big Ten is god awful, and you can't convince me that Iowa wouldn't just get raped by a faster SEC, PAC 10, or Big 12 champion in a BCS bowl. They follow the same exact god damn formula that Penn State and Ohio State have followed for the last few years. Anyone who is denying the complete suckitude of the Big Ten really needs a wakeup call, because they're 15-28 in bowls since 2003. In that time they're 3-8 in BCS bowls, and the last time they won was in January of 2006. One was Penn State beating a 4 loss Florida State team that got in ass backwardly, and the other was Ohio State beating a 3 loss Notre Dame team that only got in because the system is biased in ND's favor the few times they've managed to run that cheesecake of a schedule to the amount of wins that should be automatic for such a "great" program. So yeah, the SEC, PAC 10, and Big 12 all have a better reason to claim that spot if they go undefeated, and hell, with the gauntlet that the SEC is they should consider a one loss SEC Champion over an undefeated Big Ten champ.

Updated just to note: Before any god damn Hawkeye fan comes back with "We're not coached by Jim Tressel" or some crap like that I'll just refer to the last time Ferentz got his club into a BCS Bowl.

Of course Iowa was the only Big 10 team to win it's bowl game last year and they beat one of those faster SEC teams. As a matter of fact, their last three bowl wins are against faster SEC schools.

Iowa has also played a tougher schedule than Florida, Texas, Alabama, TCU, Cincinnati and Boise State to this point. That's why they're No. 1 in the computer rankings. They aren't pretty to watch but they're getting it done.

That said, I just can't see them winning in Columbus. But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.

Those two bowl wins came four and five years ago, back before the Big Ten had sunk into complete obscurity. Also, one of those bowl wins came against Ron Zook. And yes, nice job on last year's bowl win. They beat a 6th place, unranked SEC team, so they must be able to beat Florida, the team that's won two of the last three national championships. And that "tougher schedule" is based on win loss records. Which those teams got by playing other crappy Big Ten teams.

[Dave B]

Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10

[Ghost of Dave Rosello]

Even though Chuck G is a butthole I'm going to announce my full support for Iowa for the rest of the season. I hope they can run the table just to see how this whole thing works when Florida and Texas are also undefeated.

I want to see righteous indignation.

Iowa wins the rights to get their ass beat by USC in the Rose bowl?

If Iowa runs the table, they'll win the right to get their ass beat by Florida or Alabama in the Rose Bowl in the BCS title game. They are already #1 in the BCS computers.  A win at the Shoe and they'll be in the top 3 in the voting polls once the Florida Alabama game is over.

Maybe.  That would hopefully mean end of the BCS.  But Texas will be playing in the game if they go undefeated.  Iowa will fall in the computers because more likely than not, undefeated team from the SEC will be ranked number 1 by the computers.  That hurts Iowa because undefeated Texas will be ranked number 2 in Harris and Coaches poll.

And then Iowa fans will piss and moan about the BCS not putting them in the title game. The Big Ten is god awful, and you can't convince me that Iowa wouldn't just get raped by a faster SEC, PAC 10, or Big 12 champion in a BCS bowl. They follow the same exact god damn formula that Penn State and Ohio State have followed for the last few years. Anyone who is denying the complete suckitude of the Big Ten really needs a wakeup call, because they're 15-28 in bowls since 2003. In that time they're 3-8 in BCS bowls, and the last time they won was in January of 2006. One was Penn State beating a 4 loss Florida State team that got in ass backwardly, and the other was Ohio State beating a 3 loss Notre Dame team that only got in because the system is biased in ND's favor the few times they've managed to run that cheesecake of a schedule to the amount of wins that should be automatic for such a "great" program. So yeah, the SEC, PAC 10, and Big 12 all have a better reason to claim that spot if they go undefeated, and hell, with the gauntlet that the SEC is they should consider a one loss SEC Champion over an undefeated Big Ten champ.

Updated just to note: Before any god damn Hawkeye fan comes back with "We're not coached by Jim Tressel" or some crap like that I'll just refer to the last time Ferentz got his club into a BCS Bowl.

Of course Iowa was the only Big 10 team to win it's bowl game last year and they beat one of those faster SEC teams. As a matter of fact, their last three bowl wins are against faster SEC schools.

Iowa has also played a tougher schedule than Florida, Texas, Alabama, TCU, Cincinnati and Boise State to this point. That's why they're No. 1 in the computer rankings. They aren't pretty to watch but they're getting it done.

That said, I just can't see them winning in Columbus. But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.

Those two bowl wins came four and five years ago, back before the Big Ten had sunk into complete obscurity. Also, one of those bowl wins came against Ron Zook. And yes, nice job on last year's bowl win. They beat a 6th place, unranked SEC team, so they must be able to beat Florida, the team that's won two of the last three national championships. And that "tougher schedule" is based on win loss records. Which those teams got by playing other crappy Big Ten teams.

Good point. I'm sure Mississippi State, Arkansas and Vanderbilt would run the table if they played in the Big 10 this year. They're much tougher than Penn State, Michigan or Wisconsin.