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Bort

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Re: DDD
« Reply #180 on: January 25, 2011, 01:44:19 PM »
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on January 25, 2011, 01:41:38 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 25, 2011, 01:31:53 PM
Ebert hates 3D?  Why hasn't he ever mentioned this before?

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Re: DDD
« Reply #181 on: January 25, 2011, 05:07:25 PM »
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 25, 2011, 01:33:56 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 25, 2011, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on January 25, 2011, 11:22:17 AM
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2011/01/post_4.html

QuoteThe biggest problem with 3D, though, is the "convergence/focus" issue. A couple of the other issues -- darkness and "smallness" -- are at least theoretically solvable. But the deeper problem is that the audience must focus their eyes at the plane of the screen -- say it is 80 feet away. This is constant no matter what.

But their eyes must converge at perhaps 10 feet away, then 60 feet, then 120 feet, and so on, depending on what the illusion is. So 3D films require us to focus at one distance and converge at another. And 600 million years of evolution has never presented this problem before. All living things with eyes have always focussed and converged at the same point.

If we look at the salt shaker on the table, close to us, we focus at six feet and our eyeballs converge (tilt in) at six feet. Imagine the base of a triangle between your eyes and the apex of the triangle resting on the thing you are looking at. But then look out the window and you focus at sixty feet and converge also at sixty feet. That imaginary triangle has now "opened up" so that your lines of sight are almost -- almost -- parallel to each other.

We can do this. 3D films would not work if we couldn't. But it is like tapping your head and rubbing your stomach at the same time, difficult. So the "CPU" of our perceptual brain has to work extra hard, which is why after 20 minutes or so many people get headaches. They are doing something that 600 million years of evolution never prepared them for. This is a deep problem, which no amount of technical tweaking can fix. Nothing will fix it short of producing true "holographic" images.

Consequently, the editing of 3D films cannot be as rapid as for 2D films, because of this shifting of convergence: it takes a number of milliseconds for the brain/eye to "get" what the space of each shot is and adjust.

And lastly, the question of immersion. 3D films remind the audience that they are in a certain "perspective" relationship to the image. It is almost a Brechtian trick. Whereas if the film story has really gripped an audience they are "in" the picture in a kind of dreamlike "spaceless" space. So a good story will give you more dimensionality than you can ever cope with.

So: dark, small, stroby, headache inducing, alienating. And expensive. The question is: how long will it take people to realize and get fed up?

Brechtian alienation... Now I get Avatar!

Ebert hates 3D?  Why hasn't he ever mentioned this before?

I don't care for 3D, but big tits I do like.

I don't think the Rog had a problem with that.  Because wasn't he good friends with Russ Meyer?   

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Re: DDD
« Reply #182 on: January 25, 2011, 05:26:11 PM »
Quote from: BBM on January 25, 2011, 05:07:25 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 25, 2011, 01:33:56 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 25, 2011, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on January 25, 2011, 11:22:17 AM
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2011/01/post_4.html

QuoteThe biggest problem with 3D, though, is the "convergence/focus" issue. A couple of the other issues -- darkness and "smallness" -- are at least theoretically solvable. But the deeper problem is that the audience must focus their eyes at the plane of the screen -- say it is 80 feet away. This is constant no matter what.

But their eyes must converge at perhaps 10 feet away, then 60 feet, then 120 feet, and so on, depending on what the illusion is. So 3D films require us to focus at one distance and converge at another. And 600 million years of evolution has never presented this problem before. All living things with eyes have always focussed and converged at the same point.

If we look at the salt shaker on the table, close to us, we focus at six feet and our eyeballs converge (tilt in) at six feet. Imagine the base of a triangle between your eyes and the apex of the triangle resting on the thing you are looking at. But then look out the window and you focus at sixty feet and converge also at sixty feet. That imaginary triangle has now "opened up" so that your lines of sight are almost -- almost -- parallel to each other.

We can do this. 3D films would not work if we couldn't. But it is like tapping your head and rubbing your stomach at the same time, difficult. So the "CPU" of our perceptual brain has to work extra hard, which is why after 20 minutes or so many people get headaches. They are doing something that 600 million years of evolution never prepared them for. This is a deep problem, which no amount of technical tweaking can fix. Nothing will fix it short of producing true "holographic" images.

Consequently, the editing of 3D films cannot be as rapid as for 2D films, because of this shifting of convergence: it takes a number of milliseconds for the brain/eye to "get" what the space of each shot is and adjust.

And lastly, the question of immersion. 3D films remind the audience that they are in a certain "perspective" relationship to the image. It is almost a Brechtian trick. Whereas if the film story has really gripped an audience they are "in" the picture in a kind of dreamlike "spaceless" space. So a good story will give you more dimensionality than you can ever cope with.

So: dark, small, stroby, headache inducing, alienating. And expensive. The question is: how long will it take people to realize and get fed up?

Brechtian alienation... Now I get Avatar!

Ebert hates 3D?  Why hasn't he ever mentioned this before?

I don't care for 3D, but big tits I do like.

I don't think the Rog had a problem with that.  Because wasn't he good friends with Russ Meyer?   

Indeed he was. Ebert famously wrote the screenplay for "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls."
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Re: DDD
« Reply #183 on: January 26, 2011, 09:27:58 AM »
Question.  Who visits this thread to read about Roger Ebert?
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Re: DDD
« Reply #184 on: January 26, 2011, 09:40:01 AM »
Quote from: CBStew on January 26, 2011, 09:27:58 AM
Question.  Who visits this thread to read about Roger Ebert?

Thank you. I was pissed it was getting bumped with out DDD tits

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Re: DDD
« Reply #185 on: January 26, 2011, 09:45:07 AM »
Quote from: Yeti on January 26, 2011, 09:40:01 AM
Quote from: CBStew on January 26, 2011, 09:27:58 AM
Question.  Who visits this thread to read about Roger Ebert?

Thank you. I was pissed it was getting bumped with out DDD tits

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Re: DDD
« Reply #186 on: February 23, 2011, 08:34:34 AM »
http://Happy Lady Pr0n Day.  (This seemed like as good a thread as any.)

EDIT: Really, I've done this before.
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Re: DDD
« Reply #187 on: February 23, 2011, 09:01:41 AM »
Quote from: morpheus on February 23, 2011, 08:34:34 AM
[imghttp://www.mydaily.com/2011/02/22/happy-lady-porn-day-porn-for-women/]http://Happy Lady Pr0n Day.[/img]  (This seemed like as good a thread as any.)

Sweet dude.  Thanks.
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Re: DDD
« Reply #188 on: February 23, 2011, 09:50:55 AM »
You two wanna go stick your wangs in a hornet's nest, it's a free country.  But how come I always gotta get sloppy seconds, huh?

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Re: DDD
« Reply #189 on: February 23, 2011, 01:18:00 PM »
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 23, 2011, 09:50:55 AM
Quote from: morpheus on February 23, 2011, 08:34:34 AM
Happy Lady Pr0n Day.  (This seemed like as good a thread as any.)

I actually have a ladyporn channel here in my cable package.  I forget what it's called, but it's full of soft-focus hugging and a conspicuous lack of teabgagging or facials.
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Re: DDD
« Reply #190 on: February 23, 2011, 01:27:41 PM »
Quote from: Tonker on February 23, 2011, 01:18:00 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 23, 2011, 09:50:55 AM
Quote from: morpheus on February 23, 2011, 08:34:34 AM
Happy Lady Pr0n Day.  (This seemed like as good a thread as any.)

I actually have a ladyporn channel here in my cable package.  I forget what it's called, but it's full of soft-focus hugging and a conspicuous lack of teabgagging or facials.

I thought it would be an attractive man nodding and pretending to be listenting to whoever is watching.
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Re: DDD
« Reply #191 on: February 23, 2011, 02:04:45 PM »
Quote from: thehawk on February 23, 2011, 01:27:41 PM
Quote from: Tonker on February 23, 2011, 01:18:00 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 23, 2011, 09:50:55 AM
Quote from: morpheus on February 23, 2011, 08:34:34 AM
Happy Lady Pr0n Day.  (This seemed like as good a thread as any.)

I actually have a ladyporn channel here in my cable package.  I forget what it's called, but it's full of soft-focus hugging and a conspicuous lack of teabgagging or facials.

I thought it would be an attractive man nodding and pretending to be listenting to whoever is watching.

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Re: DDD
« Reply #192 on: February 23, 2011, 02:29:05 PM »
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on February 23, 2011, 02:04:45 PM
Quote from: thehawk on February 23, 2011, 01:27:41 PM
Quote from: Tonker on February 23, 2011, 01:18:00 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 23, 2011, 09:50:55 AM
Quote from: morpheus on February 23, 2011, 08:34:34 AM
Happy Lady Pr0n Day.  (This seemed like as good a thread as any.)

I actually have a ladyporn channel here in my cable package.  I forget what it's called, but it's full of soft-focus hugging and a conspicuous lack of teabgagging or facials.

I thought it would be an attractive man nodding and pretending to be listenting to whoever is watching.

Thanks 30 Rock

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Re: DDD
« Reply #193 on: April 26, 2011, 11:05:03 AM »
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 16, 2010, 04:28:56 PM


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Re: DDD
« Reply #194 on: May 23, 2011, 04:10:44 PM »
Just in case there was any question about it, they're real.

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