Fuck its silent in here.......

[Chuck to Chuck]

"I don't know why everybody is running to buy these expensive and useless machines. I can overcome the body scanners with enough explosives to bring down a Boeing 747," Rafi Sela told parliamentarians probing the state of aviation safety in Canada.

"That's why we haven't put them in our airport," Sela said, referring to Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport, which has some of the toughest security in the world.

Those Israelis are pussies.  They don't even arm their pilots with guns!  How is their record against hijackings?

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95001213

Oh.

That's it. I'm suing G-D.

Lay down some laws.

[Oleg]

"I don't know why everybody is running to buy these expensive and useless machines. I can overcome the body scanners with enough explosives to bring down a Boeing 747," Rafi Sela told parliamentarians probing the state of aviation safety in Canada.

"That's why we haven't put them in our airport," Sela said, referring to Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport, which has some of the toughest security in the world.

Those Israelis are pussies.  They don't even arm their pilots with guns!  How is their record against hijackings?

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95001213

Oh.

That's it. I'm suing G-D.

Lay down some laws.

I prefer

[Chuck to Chuck]

I prefer

Only 2 tablets?  I thought there were three.

[Waco Kid]

I prefer

Only 2 tablets?  I thought there were three.

[Dr. Nguyen Van Falk]

"I don't know why everybody is running to buy these expensive and useless machines. I can overcome the body scanners with enough explosives to bring down a Boeing 747," Rafi Sela told parliamentarians probing the state of aviation safety in Canada.

"That's why we haven't put them in our airport," Sela said, referring to Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport, which has some of the toughest security in the world.

Those Israelis are pussies.  They don't even arm their pilots with guns!  How is their record against hijackings?

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95001213

Oh.

That's it. I'm suing G-D.

Better get yourself a good prophet.

[thehawk]

"I don't know why everybody is running to buy these expensive and useless machines. I can overcome the body scanners with enough explosives to bring down a Boeing 747," Rafi Sela told parliamentarians probing the state of aviation safety in Canada.

"That's why we haven't put them in our airport," Sela said, referring to Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport, which has some of the toughest security in the world.

Those Israelis are pussies.  They don't even arm their pilots with guns!  How is their record against hijackings?

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95001213

Oh.

The El AL model works for El AL, but it isn't very scalable (cant find numbers, but American probably flies more flights per day from O'Hare than El AL flies overall):

http://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-the-el-al-israeli-security-model-will-never-work-here-2010-1

And that article doesnt get into the fact that the Israelis have marshalls on every flight (who appear to be much more professional than US marshalls (who are on only a small percentage of US flights))

It may make sense to hold off buying the scanners if they don't work (TSA/HS is becoming the new military industrial complex, and we still have the old one), but our air systems requires some level of technology.

[Slaky]

"In 2004 the social question that animated the campaign was gay marriage. Before the election season had unfolded, I had talked to George about not making gay marriage a significant issue. We have, I reminded him, a number of close friends who are gay or whose children are gay. But at that moment I could never have imagined what path this issue would take and where it would lead."

Laura Bush, from her new memoirs; probably the most decent person in the White House in those eight years.

Also:

This week, Bill Frist, the former Republican Senate Majority Leader again offered qualified praise for the Affordable Care Act. Meanwhile, Republican Senator Bob Bennett is on the verge of losing his primary in Utah, primarily because he briefly sponsored a health care bill with Ron Wyden that went nowhere.

What these two episodes show is the degree to which the Republican Party lurched to the right during the health care debate. Ideas that were until recently moderate became dangerous socialism. Right-wing elites like Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and the Congressional leadership led the opposition to health care reform, whipping the base into a frenzy. That frenzy, in turn, pulled the whole rest of the party along with it. It's pretty clear that plenty of Republicans in Washington would have liked to cut a deal if left to their own devices, but they weren't left to their own devices.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/the-gop-hcr-lurch-and-the-republicans-left-behind

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that just because a person considers themselves a Republican doesn't mean they also have to be a frothing, anti-socialist sideshow of a person. There used to be something called a liberal Republican, was there not? Why wouldn't there still be such a thing?

[Chuck to Chuck]

The El AL model works for El AL, but it isn't very scalable (cant find numbers, but American probably flies more flights per day from O'Hare than El AL flies overall):

http://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-the-el-al-israeli-security-model-will-never-work-here-2010-1

Perhaps.  But that article isn't a study, it's a reprint of a letter from a civilian.

As to the comment that "if each passenger / family got even a perfunctory 1-minute Q&A session with a TSA security officer, the system would crash," how much time is already spent waiting?  I'd trade 30 minutes waiting for a slot at the scanner for 2 minutes talking to a trained rep.

[Wheezer]

It may make sense to hold off buying the scanners if they don't work (TSA/HS is becoming the new military industrial complex, and we still have the old one), but our air systems requires some level of technology.

Does whomping up a bit of thermite count as a failure?

[Gilgamesh]

"In 2004 the social question that animated the campaign was gay marriage. Before the election season had unfolded, I had talked to George about not making gay marriage a significant issue. We have, I reminded him, a number of close friends who are gay or whose children are gay. But at that moment I could never have imagined what path this issue would take and where it would lead."

Laura Bush, from her new memoirs; probably the most decent person in the White House in those eight years.

Also:

This week, Bill Frist, the former Republican Senate Majority Leader again offered qualified praise for the Affordable Care Act. Meanwhile, Republican Senator Bob Bennett is on the verge of losing his primary in Utah, primarily because he briefly sponsored a health care bill with Ron Wyden that went nowhere.

What these two episodes show is the degree to which the Republican Party lurched to the right during the health care debate. Ideas that were until recently moderate became dangerous socialism. Right-wing elites like Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and the Congressional leadership led the opposition to health care reform, whipping the base into a frenzy. That frenzy, in turn, pulled the whole rest of the party along with it. It's pretty clear that plenty of Republicans in Washington would have liked to cut a deal if left to their own devices, but they weren't left to their own devices.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/the-gop-hcr-lurch-and-the-republicans-left-behind

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that just because a person considers themselves a Republican doesn't mean they also have to be a frothing, anti-socialist sideshow of a person. There used to be something called a liberal Republican, was there not? Why wouldn't there still be such a thing?

The Teabaggers and talk radio?

[Waco Kid]

"In 2004 the social question that animated the campaign was gay marriage. Before the election season had unfolded, I had talked to George about not making gay marriage a significant issue. We have, I reminded him, a number of close friends who are gay or whose children are gay. But at that moment I could never have imagined what path this issue would take and where it would lead."

Laura Bush, from her new memoirs; probably the most decent person in the White House in those eight years.

Also:

This week, Bill Frist, the former Republican Senate Majority Leader again offered qualified praise for the Affordable Care Act. Meanwhile, Republican Senator Bob Bennett is on the verge of losing his primary in Utah, primarily because he briefly sponsored a health care bill with Ron Wyden that went nowhere.

What these two episodes show is the degree to which the Republican Party lurched to the right during the health care debate. Ideas that were until recently moderate became dangerous socialism. Right-wing elites like Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and the Congressional leadership led the opposition to health care reform, whipping the base into a frenzy. That frenzy, in turn, pulled the whole rest of the party along with it. It's pretty clear that plenty of Republicans in Washington would have liked to cut a deal if left to their own devices, but they weren't left to their own devices.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/the-gop-hcr-lurch-and-the-republicans-left-behind

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that just because a person considers themselves a Republican doesn't mean they also have to be a frothing, anti-socialist sideshow of a person. There used to be something called a liberal Republican, was there not? Why wouldn't there still be such a thing?

There are plenty of moderate Republicans out there, they're just no longer welcome in today's GOP.

[Quality Start Machine]

"In 2004 the social question that animated the campaign was gay marriage. Before the election season had unfolded, I had talked to George about not making gay marriage a significant issue. We have, I reminded him, a number of close friends who are gay or whose children are gay. But at that moment I could never have imagined what path this issue would take and where it would lead."

Laura Bush, from her new memoirs; probably the most decent person in the White House in those eight years.

Also:

This week, Bill Frist, the former Republican Senate Majority Leader again offered qualified praise for the Affordable Care Act. Meanwhile, Republican Senator Bob Bennett is on the verge of losing his primary in Utah, primarily because he briefly sponsored a health care bill with Ron Wyden that went nowhere.

What these two episodes show is the degree to which the Republican Party lurched to the right during the health care debate. Ideas that were until recently moderate became dangerous socialism. Right-wing elites like Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and the Congressional leadership led the opposition to health care reform, whipping the base into a frenzy. That frenzy, in turn, pulled the whole rest of the party along with it. It's pretty clear that plenty of Republicans in Washington would have liked to cut a deal if left to their own devices, but they weren't left to their own devices.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/the-gop-hcr-lurch-and-the-republicans-left-behind

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that just because a person considers themselves a Republican doesn't mean they also have to be a frothing, anti-socialist sideshow of a person. There used to be something called a liberal Republican, was there not? Why wouldn't there still be such a thing?

There are plenty of moderate Republicans out there, they're just no longer welcome in today's GOP.

Because GEORGE HUTCHINS is on a RINO HUNT!!!

[thehawk]

The El AL model works for El AL, but it isn't very scalable (cant find numbers, but American probably flies more flights per day from O'Hare than El AL flies overall):

http://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-the-el-al-israeli-security-model-will-never-work-here-2010-1

Perhaps.  But that article isn't a study, it's a reprint of a letter from a civilian.

As to the comment that "if each passenger / family got even a perfunctory 1-minute Q&A session with a TSA security officer, the system would crash," how much time is already spent waiting?  I'd trade 30 minutes waiting for a slot at the scanner for 2 minutes talking to a trained rep.

El AL "suggests" you show up for your flight 3 hours before takeoff.  Also the airline has about 7,400 seats in total.  Thats what flies in and out of ORD in about an hour.

[powen01]

"I don't know why everybody is running to buy these expensive and useless machines. I can overcome the body scanners with enough explosives to bring down a Boeing 747," Rafi Sela told parliamentarians probing the state of aviation safety in Canada.

"That's why we haven't put them in our airport," Sela said, referring to Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport, which has some of the toughest security in the world.

Those Israelis are pussies.  They don't even arm their pilots with guns!  How is their record against hijackings?

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95001213

Oh.

The El AL model works for El AL, but it isn't very scalable (cant find numbers, but American probably flies more flights per day from O'Hare than El AL flies overall):

http://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-the-el-al-israeli-security-model-will-never-work-here-2010-1

And that article doesnt get into the fact that the Israelis have marshalls on every flight (who appear to be much more professional than US marshalls (who are on only a small percentage of US flights))

It may make sense to hold off buying the scanners if they don't work (TSA/HS is becoming the new military industrial complex, and we still have the old one), but our air systems requires some level of technology.

Let's also not forget the perfunctory military service of every able-bodied Israeli citizen...  I would imagine that when looking at a plane full of fat, slobby American citizens versus a plane full of Israelis who may or may not be two years removed from the top of their IDF Krav Maga class in basic; a terrorist may consider the former a slightly softer target.

[Chuck to Chuck]

Let's also not forget the perfunctory military service of every able-bodied Israeli citizen...  I would imagine that when looking at a plane full of fat, slobby American citizens versus a plane full of Israelis who may or may not be two years removed from the top of their IDF Krav Maga class in basic; a terrorist may consider the former a slightly softer target.

OK.  Let's reinstate the draft.

Stop hijacking, serve in the military!