Fuck its silent in here.......

[Oleg]

DPD, but from a policy standpoint purely, the Chicago gun ban has been anything but effective.  Criminals in the city have still been getting guns and discharging them at people at near record levels. 

The outright ban has accomplished none of its stated goals, except stripping firearms from law-abiding citizens.

So, the way to stop gun violence is to have more guns on the street?

[Oleg]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

What is your fascination with my Forbidden Closet of Mystery?

I thought I'd find Ozzie Smith in there.

DPD.

Well, that's just a church.

[Canadouche]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

Self-defense?

The power to extinguish a human life at any desired moment?

[flannj]

DPD, but from a policy standpoint purely, the Chicago gun ban has been anything but effective.  Criminals in the city have still been getting guns and discharging them at people at near record levels. 

The outright ban has accomplished none of its stated goals, except stripping firearms from law-abiding citizens.

Don't let your facts and reasoned argument get in the way of the Mayor's ego and his excuse for the cities high gun crime rate.

[Oleg]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

Self-defense?

Yeah, handguns are awesome for that.

And, what scenario would that be?  Do we want a society where we just shoot purse snatchers and muggers?  Is that what you mean?

Or, are we cool with shooting home invaders?

besides, if someone does actually try to break into your house, wouldn't a shotgun be a much better weapon for defense?

[flannj]

DPD, but from a policy standpoint purely, the Chicago gun ban has been anything but effective.  Criminals in the city have still been getting guns and discharging them at people at near record levels. 

The outright ban has accomplished none of its stated goals, except stripping firearms from law-abiding citizens.

So, the way to stop gun violence is to have more guns on the street?

Legally owned guns on a citizens own property is not the same thing as more guns on the street.

[flannj]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

Self-defense?

Yeah, handguns are awesome for that.

And, what scenario would that be?  Do we want a society where we just shoot purse snatchers and muggers?  Is that what you mean?

Or, are we cool with shooting home invaders?

besides, if someone does actually try to break into your house, wouldn't a shotgun be a much better weapon for defense?

DPD
Yes it would be.
But I didn't realize the ban was in place to help citizens make a better choice for their home defense.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

Self-defense?

Yeah, handguns are awesome for that.

And, what scenario would that be?  Do we want a society where we just shoot purse snatchers and muggers?  Is that what you mean?

Or, are we cool with shooting home invaders?

besides, if someone does actually try to break into your house, wouldn't a shotgun be a much better weapon for defense?

I believe Wheezer once expressed an opinion on this, but it appears to be lost to the Unratto.

[BH]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

Self-defense?

Yeah, handguns are awesome for that.

And, what scenario would that be?  Do we want a society where we just shoot purse snatchers and muggers?  Is that what you mean?

Or, are we cool with shooting home invaders?

besides, if someone does actually try to break into your house, wouldn't a shotgun be a much better weapon for defense?

DPD
Yes it would be.
But I didn't realize the ban was in place to help citizens make a better choice for their home defense.

Oleg is arguing that shooting people with a handgun = bad. But blowing them into a thousand pieces with a shotgun = good?

[Slaky]

I'm going to put on some popcorn and enjoy this.

As you were.

[Quality Start Machine]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

Self-defense?

Yeah, handguns are awesome for that.

And, what scenario would that be?  Do we want a society where we just shoot purse snatchers and muggers?  Is that what you mean?

Or, are we cool with shooting home invaders?

besides, if someone does actually try to break into your house, wouldn't a shotgun be a much better weapon for defense?

DPD
Yes it would be.
But I didn't realize the ban was in place to help citizens make a better choice for their home defense.

Oleg is arguing that shooting people with a handgun = bad. But blowing them into a thousand pieces with a shotgun = good?

Oleg doesn't see the effectiveness of handguns because he's such a little target that despite everyone's best efforts, he's never been shot.

[flannj]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

Self-defense?

Yeah, handguns are awesome for that.

And, what scenario would that be?  Do we want a society where we just shoot purse snatchers and muggers?  Is that what you mean?

Or, are we cool with shooting home invaders?

besides, if someone does actually try to break into your house, wouldn't a shotgun be a much better weapon for defense?

DPD
Yes it would be.
But I didn't realize the ban was in place to help citizens make a better choice for their home defense.

Oleg is arguing that shooting people with a handgun = bad. But blowing them into a thousand pieces with a shotgun = good?

Oleg doesn't see the effectiveness of handguns because he's such a little target that despite everyone's best efforts, he's never been shot.

Ok I laughed.
A lot.

[BH]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

Self-defense?

Yeah, handguns are awesome for that.

And, what scenario would that be?  Do we want a society where we just shoot purse snatchers and muggers?  Is that what you mean?

Or, are we cool with shooting home invaders?

besides, if someone does actually try to break into your house, wouldn't a shotgun be a much better weapon for defense?

DPD
Yes it would be.
But I didn't realize the ban was in place to help citizens make a better choice for their home defense.

Oleg is arguing that shooting people with a handgun = bad. But blowing them into a thousand pieces with a shotgun = good?

Oleg doesn't see the effectiveness of handguns because he's such a little target that despite everyone's best efforts, he's never been shot.

Ok I laughed.
A lot.

He told me the dreamcatcher he wears around his neck and all the patchouli creates a protective shield.

[Oleg]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

Self-defense?

Yeah, handguns are awesome for that.

And, what scenario would that be?  Do we want a society where we just shoot purse snatchers and muggers?  Is that what you mean?

Or, are we cool with shooting home invaders?

besides, if someone does actually try to break into your house, wouldn't a shotgun be a much better weapon for defense?

DPD
Yes it would be.
But I didn't realize the ban was in place to help citizens make a better choice for their home defense.

Oleg is arguing that shooting people with a handgun = bad. But blowing them into a thousand pieces with a shotgun = good?

Nope.

[Chuck to Chuck]

I think we have gone over the fact that the Clinton years do a whole lot of fuzzy math to make it look like they had a surplus. I don't know how you can add to the national debt and still run a surplus. But hey you Democrats are good with fuzzy math, saved or created jobs, health care bill, stimulus bill, whole shit load of fuzzy math going on there.

The math on how to fix it from Eric Cantor.  Now, remember, the deficit is over $1 trillion annually.

Suspend Federal Land Purchases - ($266 million in savings in the first year, $2.66 billion over ten years)

I love his math.  Instead of just saying $266 million per year, he actually does us the favor of multiplying by 10.  Whew.  Thanks for the math savings, too.

TERMINATE FUNDING FOR UNESCO - ($81 million in savings in the first year, $810 million over ten years)

Same math help.  OK, two ideas and he's knocked 0.0347% of the deficit off.  He only needs to come up with 288,185 more ideas to balance the budget!

REFORM FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC - bringing transparency to taxpayer exposure could generate savings of up to an estimated $30 billion.

"Could" save $30 billion and over an unstated time period.

Look.  You want to say we spend too much?  Agreed.  You want to say the Dems spend too much?  Agreed.  You want to say the solution is the GOP?

You're fucking nuts.