Fuck its silent in here.......

[Brownie]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/25/AR2010062500675_pf.html

Wow.

"No one will know until this is actually in place how it works. But we believe we've done something that has been needed for a long time. It took a crisis to bring us to the point where we could actually get this job done."

That's encouraging.  I guess we're passing a bill to find out what's in it?  Not that changes didn't need to happen... but maybe they should be understood before implementation?  Further, an attempt at addressing Fannie and Freddie, and maybe even the broader incentives to extend credit to crappy borrowers, might have been nice.  But then again, Dodd and Frank ("let's roll the dice!") would then have to address their own ineptitude, and indeed that of Congress as a whole in regulating the GSEs, in such a scenario.  Not likely.

It's a mind numbingly stupid way to say it, but it's true.  Same with every law, right?  What are the unintended consequences?  Where will the smart lawyers figure out the loopholes?

So in other words, maybe we should work to keep our laws short, simple and few.

[morpheus]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/25/AR2010062500675_pf.html

Wow.

"No one will know until this is actually in place how it works. But we believe we've done something that has been needed for a long time. It took a crisis to bring us to the point where we could actually get this job done."

That's encouraging.  I guess we're passing a bill to find out what's in it?

Isn't this a lame left over talking point from the health care debate?

Dodd didn't say "No one will know what's in it until it's actually in place." He said no one will know how it will work.

Will it be effective in practice rather than in theory?

In other words [guh]: what Internet Chuck said.

This is not a good thing... or, what Internet TJ said.

[MikeC]

Nancy Pelosi was the one that said, I believe, we need to pass health care reform to find out whats in it.

Do remember Chris Dodd was the one watching over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, got sweetheart loans, crafted stimulus bill and helped out on Health Care reform....and his last attempt at stealing billions of dollars from hard working Americans is financial overhaul before he rides off into the sunset.

You want the #1 guy responsible for crushing debt? Spending trillions of tax dollars to clean up his messes? Its Chris fucking Dodd. Who will go down in Democrat history as a guy who did an awesome job. if someone needs his ass kicked its Chris Dodd.

[Chuck to Chuck]

Nancy Pelosi was the one that said, I believe, we need to pass health care reform to find out whats in it.

Do remember Chris Dodd was the one watching over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, got sweetheart loans, crafted stimulus bill and helped out on Health Care reform....and his last attempt at stealing billions of dollars from hard working Americans is financial overhaul before he rides off into the sunset.

You want the #1 guy responsible for crushing debt? Spending trillions of tax dollars to clean up his messes? Its Chris fucking Dodd. Who will go down in Democrat history as a guy who did an awesome job. if someone needs his ass kicked its Chris Dodd.

Yeah.  It's not Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and their veto pens.  It's not Howard Baker or Trent Lott or Bill Frist.  Or Dennis Hastert.  It's Chris Dodd.

This is like blaming Dave Veres for blowing it in 2003.  Yeah, he's not very good, but it wasn't even close to his fault.

[morpheus]

Nancy Pelosi was the one that said, I believe, we need to pass health care reform to find out whats in it.

Do remember Chris Dodd was the one watching over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, got sweetheart loans, crafted stimulus bill and helped out on Health Care reform....and his last attempt at stealing billions of dollars from hard working Americans is financial overhaul before he rides off into the sunset.

You want the #1 guy responsible for crushing debt? Spending trillions of tax dollars to clean up his messes? Its Chris fucking Dodd. Who will go down in Democrat history as a guy who did an awesome job. if someone needs his ass kicked its Chris Dodd.

Yeah.  It's not Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and their veto pens.  It's not Howard Baker or Trent Lott or Bill Frist.  Or Dennis Hastert.  It's Chris Dodd.

This is like blaming Dave Veres for blowing it in 2003.  Yeah, he's not very good, but it wasn't even close to his fault.

That list of names is... interesting.  I'm detecting a pattern there, and it isn't one of fault.

[Quality Start Machine]

Nancy Pelosi was the one that said, I believe, we need to pass health care reform to find out whats in it.

Do remember Chris Dodd was the one watching over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, got sweetheart loans, crafted stimulus bill and helped out on Health Care reform....and his last attempt at stealing billions of dollars from hard working Americans is financial overhaul before he rides off into the sunset.

You want the #1 guy responsible for crushing debt? Spending trillions of tax dollars to clean up his messes? Its Chris fucking Dodd. Who will go down in Democrat history as a guy who did an awesome job. if someone needs his ass kicked its Chris Dodd.

Yeah.  It's not Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and their veto pens.  It's not Howard Baker or Trent Lott or Bill Frist.  Or Dennis Hastert.  It's Chris Dodd.

This is like blaming Dave Veres for blowing it in 2003.  Yeah, he's not very good, but it wasn't even close to his fault.

That list of names is... interesting.  I'm detecting a pattern there, and it isn't one of fault.

I think the point Chuck was trying to make was that Chris Dodd is an odd choice to scapegoat.

[morpheus]

Nancy Pelosi was the one that said, I believe, we need to pass health care reform to find out whats in it.

Do remember Chris Dodd was the one watching over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, got sweetheart loans, crafted stimulus bill and helped out on Health Care reform....and his last attempt at stealing billions of dollars from hard working Americans is financial overhaul before he rides off into the sunset.

You want the #1 guy responsible for crushing debt? Spending trillions of tax dollars to clean up his messes? Its Chris fucking Dodd. Who will go down in Democrat history as a guy who did an awesome job. if someone needs his ass kicked its Chris Dodd.

Yeah.  It's not Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and their veto pens.  It's not Howard Baker or Trent Lott or Bill Frist.  Or Dennis Hastert.  It's Chris Dodd.

This is like blaming Dave Veres for blowing it in 2003.  Yeah, he's not very good, but it wasn't even close to his fault.

That list of names is... interesting.  I'm detecting a pattern there, and it isn't one of fault.

I think the point Chuck was trying to make was that Chris Dodd is an odd choice to scapegoat.

I'd have picked Barney "roll the dice" Frank, myself...

[BH]

Nancy Pelosi was the one that said, I believe, we need to pass health care reform to find out whats in it.

Do remember Chris Dodd was the one watching over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, got sweetheart loans, crafted stimulus bill and helped out on Health Care reform....and his last attempt at stealing billions of dollars from hard working Americans is financial overhaul before he rides off into the sunset.

You want the #1 guy responsible for crushing debt? Spending trillions of tax dollars to clean up his messes? Its Chris fucking Dodd. Who will go down in Democrat history as a guy who did an awesome job. if someone needs his ass kicked its Chris Dodd.

Yeah.  It's not Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and their veto pens.  It's not Howard Baker or Trent Lott or Bill Frist.  Or Dennis Hastert.  It's Chris Dodd.

This is like blaming Dave Veres for blowing it in 2003.  Yeah, he's not very good, but it wasn't even close to his fault.

That list of names is... interesting.  I'm detecting a pattern there, and it isn't one of fault.

I think the point Chuck was trying to make was that Chris Dodd is an odd choice to scapegoat.

I'd have picked Barney "roll the dice" Frank, myself...

Barney Frank wasn't on the 2003 Cubs team.

[Quality Start Machine]

Nancy Pelosi was the one that said, I believe, we need to pass health care reform to find out whats in it.

Do remember Chris Dodd was the one watching over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, got sweetheart loans, crafted stimulus bill and helped out on Health Care reform....and his last attempt at stealing billions of dollars from hard working Americans is financial overhaul before he rides off into the sunset.

You want the #1 guy responsible for crushing debt? Spending trillions of tax dollars to clean up his messes? Its Chris fucking Dodd. Who will go down in Democrat history as a guy who did an awesome job. if someone needs his ass kicked its Chris Dodd.

Yeah.  It's not Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and their veto pens.  It's not Howard Baker or Trent Lott or Bill Frist.  Or Dennis Hastert.  It's Chris Dodd.

This is like blaming Dave Veres for blowing it in 2003.  Yeah, he's not very good, but it wasn't even close to his fault.

That list of names is... interesting.  I'm detecting a pattern there, and it isn't one of fault.

I think the point Chuck was trying to make was that Chris Dodd is an odd choice to scapegoat.

I'd have picked Barney "roll the dice" Frank, myself...

If you're going to blame Congress for our National debt, you might want to pick someone who has been in the Majority party for most of the last 20 years, since they held the purse strings.

[Chuck to Chuck]

Nancy Pelosi was the one that said, I believe, we need to pass health care reform to find out whats in it.

Do remember Chris Dodd was the one watching over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, got sweetheart loans, crafted stimulus bill and helped out on Health Care reform....and his last attempt at stealing billions of dollars from hard working Americans is financial overhaul before he rides off into the sunset.

You want the #1 guy responsible for crushing debt? Spending trillions of tax dollars to clean up his messes? Its Chris fucking Dodd. Who will go down in Democrat history as a guy who did an awesome job. if someone needs his ass kicked its Chris Dodd.

Yeah.  It's not Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and their veto pens.  It's not Howard Baker or Trent Lott or Bill Frist.  Or Dennis Hastert.  It's Chris Dodd.

This is like blaming Dave Veres for blowing it in 2003.  Yeah, he's not very good, but it wasn't even close to his fault.

That list of names is... interesting.  I'm detecting a pattern there, and it isn't one of fault.

I think the point Chuck was trying to make was that Chris Dodd is an odd choice to scapegoat.

I'd have picked Barney "roll the dice" Frank, myself...

If you're going to blame Congress for our National debt, you might want to pick someone who has been in the Majority party for most of the last 20 years, since they held the purse strings.

Since January 20, 1981, the veto pen has been held by a Goop for 20 of those 30 years.  In 3 of those 20 years, the government ran a surplus as Reagan predicted (we would grow our way out of the debt he started).  It was squandered in Years 21 to 28.  Again, no use of the veto pen.

[MikeC]

I think we have gone over the fact that the Clinton years do a whole lot of fuzzy math to make it look like they had a surplus. I don't know how you can add to the national debt and still run a surplus. But hey you Democrats are good with fuzzy math, saved or created jobs, health care bill, stimulus bill, whole shit load of fuzzy math going on there.

And what no talk about Weigel and JournoList? Journalists (lefty ones) conspiring together to shape the news cycle. Locked in a bubble of group thinking people all with one agenda, to stop conservatives and to promote liberal stories and narratives. And people wonder why the MSM is bleeding viewers and can't sell news papers. Its because they can no longer be trusted to deliver the news.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

And what no talk about Weigel and JournoList?

Nope.

None.

Because Dave Weigel resigning from the Washington Post for writing "This would be a vastly better world to live in if Matt Drudge decided to handle his emotional problems more responsibly, and set himself on fire" in a private email exchange is such a devastating blow to our Glorious Socialist Revolution that we're at a total loss for words.

Journalists (lefty ones) conspiring together to shape the news cycle.

That's one way of describing it.

Another would be "a private electronic mailing list used to share arguments and discuss ideas over the computer internet."

Locked in a bubble of group thinking people all with one agenda, to stop conservatives and to promote liberal stories and narratives.

Or: an off-the-record email discussion on various issues of the day amongst a group of people who share a broad ideological orientation yet still have a wide variety of opinions and areas of expertise.

And people wonder why the MSM is bleeding viewers and can't sell news papers. Its because they can no longer be trusted to deliver the news.

Yes. The whole MSM infrastructure is bound to collapse under its own decadent weight any... day... now...

[J. Walter Weatherman]

http://randomactsofshark.blogspot.com/2008/11/table-of-contents.html

[Chuck to Chuck]

I think we have gone over the fact that the Clinton years do a whole lot of fuzzy math to make it look like they had a surplus.

As opposed to ignoring the 20 years of spending an not vetoing.

Bitching about the debt now is only because it's not your guy signing the checks.

[Gilgamesh]

I think we have gone over the fact that the Clinton years do a whole lot of fuzzy math to make it look like they had a surplus. I don't know how you can add to the national debt and still run a surplus. But hey you Democrats are good with fuzzy math, saved or created jobs, health care bill, stimulus bill, whole shit load of fuzzy math going on there.

And what no talk about Weigel and JournoList? Journalists (lefty ones) conspiring together to shape the news cycle. Locked in a bubble of group thinking people all with one agenda, to stop conservatives and to promote liberal stories and narratives. And people wonder why the MSM is bleeding viewers and can't sell news papers. Its because they can no longer be trusted to deliver the news.

Here MikeC, read this.

http://spectator.org/blog/2010/06/25/defending-dave-weigel