Fuck its silent in here.......

[J. Walter Weatherman]

I must agree with Gil and TJ here.  Private comments are private comments and he shouldn't have been fired for making them...

Anyone who makes private comments around a Rolling Stone reporter thinking that they won't become public is too dumb too hold a responsible position.

This was about the Washington Post reporter, Stew, not McChrystal.

You expect me to read this stuff?

No, I think Stew just "saw what Morph did there." I LOL'd, Morph. I LOL'd.

To be fair, I never advocated McChrystal's firing, unlike that noted liberal William Kristol.  

Weigel was a journalist who shared hot-headed opinions of other journalists (and Matt Drudge) privately over email in his capacity as a private citizen.

McChrystal was commander of our forces in Afghanistan and, in his official capacity as such, allowed his staff to speak mockingly of his civilian commanders in the presence of a reporter who was there specifically to write a profile for publication in a major magazine. Though possibly not in full-on violation of Article 88 of the UCMJ, this certainly approached that line and displayed undeniable lack of respect for the chain of command and civilian control of the military.

These are two very different things.

FWIW.

[Brownie]

I must agree with Gil and TJ here.  Private comments are private comments and he shouldn't have been fired for making them...

Anyone who makes private comments around a Rolling Stone reporter thinking that they won't become public is too dumb too hold a responsible position.

This was about the Washington Post reporter, Stew, not McChrystal.

You expect me to read this stuff?

No, I think Stew just "saw what Morph did there." I LOL'd, Morph. I LOL'd.

To be fair, I never advocated McChrystal's firing, unlike that noted liberal William Kristol.  

Weigel was a journalist who shared hot-headed opinions of other journalists (and Matt Drudge) privately over email in his capacity as a private citizen.

McChrystal was commander of our forces in Afghanistan and, in his official capacity as such, allowed his staff to speak mockingly of his civilian commanders in the presence of a reporter who was there specifically to write a profile for publication in a major magazine. Though possibly not in full-on violation of Article 88 of the UCMJ, this certainly approached that line and displayed undeniable lack of respect for the chain of command and civilian control of the military.

These are two very different things.

FWIW.

You're completely correct.

The only thing I will say again about Weigel is that a Listserv is not that private, and he should know better. It's one thing to say something in confidence; it's another to put it into print. I wouldn't fire him, but I'd certainly reprimand Weigel for it.

I do wonder what would have happened if a member of the WH press corps said something personally offensive about the President or Robert Gibbs or Biden on this Listserv.

[R-V]

Can we all agree that the world would indeed be a better place if Matt Drudge were to set himself on fire?

[Gilgamesh]

Can we all agree that the world would indeed be a better place if Matt Drudge were to set himself on fire?

Agreed.

[flannj]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

[Oleg]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

[PenPho]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

Self-defense?

[J. Walter Weatherman]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

What is your fascination with my Forbidden Closet of Mystery?

[Tinker to Evers to Chance]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

What is your fascination with my Forbidden Closet of Mystery?

I thought I'd find Ozzie Smith in there.

[BH]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

I don't see how that's the real question.

[Gilgamesh]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

Because it's an amendment to the constitution that most liberals (though certainly not all) would like to pretend doesn't exist.

[flannj]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

Yeah, what is Daley's facination with this?

[J. Walter Weatherman]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

Because it's an amendment to the constitution that most liberals (though certainly not all) would like to pretend doesn't exist.

But I have to have a gun... It's in the Constitution!

I mean, if I didn't have a gun, the King of England could just walk in here any time he wants and start shoving you around. You want that?

[Gilgamesh]

A good decision by the Supremes today.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/united-states-supreme-court-scotus-gun-control-rifle-ban-chicago-police-mayor-richard-daley-nra-second-2nd-amendment.html

Ban still in effect, however, due to the district level retrial.

I'm curious as to how much money the city has spent over the last two years fighting this court battle.
As well as how much they're going to spend going forward creating other impediments to ownership that will inevitably end up being challenged as well.

Real question...

What's the fascination with handguns for lawabiding citizens?

Because it's an amendment to the constitution that most liberals (though certainly not all) would like to pretend doesn't exist.

But I have to have a gun... It's in the Constitution!

I mean, if I didn't have a gun, the King of England could just walk in here any time he wants and start shoving you around. You want that?

EXACTLY!!!

[Gilgamesh]

DPD, but from a policy standpoint purely, the Chicago gun ban has been anything but effective.  Criminals in the city have still been getting guns and discharging them at people at near record levels. 

The outright ban has accomplished none of its stated goals, except stripping firearms from law-abiding citizens.