Fuck its silent in here.......

[Brownie]

So as part of your platform, firefighters are indentured servants of the state? Very interesting.

[Gilgamesh]

So as part of your platform, firefighters are indentured servants of the state? Very interesting.

I think taxes should cover these kind of things, not some sort of fee per user model.

Also, I think that this notwithstanding, standing there while a person's home burns is a douche move.  Decency prevails above all.

[Gilgamesh]

So as part of your platform, firefighters are indentured servants of the state? Very interesting.

And no, my argument is that they put out the fire and squabble over paying for it later.

My nominal-Catholicism controls here.

[Chuck to Chuck]

I think taxes should cover these kind of things, not some sort of fee per user model.

Um... Isn't the point that the guy chose to live in an area where TAXES SPECIFICALLY DON'T COVER THIS SPECIFIC TYPE OF THING?!!!??  Moreover, he had a coluntay tax of $75 that HE CHOSE NOT TO PAY.  The guy tried to get something for free and lost.

"I thought they'd come out and put it out, even if you hadn't paid your $75, but I was wrong," said Gene Cranick.

Fucking freeloader.  Deserved what he got.

[Gilgamesh]

I think taxes should cover these kind of things, not some sort of fee per user model.

Um... Isn't the point that the guy chose to live in an area where TAXES SPECIFICALLY DON'T COVER THIS SPECIFIC TYPE OF THING?!!!??  Moreover, he had a coluntay tax of $75 that HE CHOSE NOT TO PAY.  The guy tried to get something for free and lost.

"I thought they'd come out and put it out, even if you hadn't paid your $75, but I was wrong," said Gene Cranick.

Fucking freeloader.  Deserved what he got.

So, he went Galt and lost?

That I can get behind.

[Brownie]

I think taxes should cover these kind of things, not some sort of fee per user model.

Um... Isn't the point that the guy chose to live in an area where TAXES SPECIFICALLY DON'T COVER THIS SPECIFIC TYPE OF THING?!!!??  Moreover, he had a coluntay tax of $75 that HE CHOSE NOT TO PAY.  The guy tried to get something for free and lost.

"I thought they'd come out and put it out, even if you hadn't paid your $75, but I was wrong," said Gene Cranick.

Fucking freeloader.  Deserved what he got.

So, he went Galt and lost?

That I can get behind.

First, I apologize for being so flippant. I haven't been in the best mood today. I blame Frank Omiyale.

Second, I understand your point that if you see someone in distress, your reaction should be to help him. I can get behind that, but...

... the fire dept is dealing with limited resources. A field fire started the house fire, and they were there to control the field fire and prevent subscribers' houses from burning.

The guy gambled and lost.

That all said, I don't know why the FD wouldn't take advantage of the opportunity to make extra money by charging a premium for the "Oh shit, my house is on fire and I didn't think I'd need fire protection" crowd.

[Gilgamesh]

I think taxes should cover these kind of things, not some sort of fee per user model.

Um... Isn't the point that the guy chose to live in an area where TAXES SPECIFICALLY DON'T COVER THIS SPECIFIC TYPE OF THING?!!!??  Moreover, he had a coluntay tax of $75 that HE CHOSE NOT TO PAY.  The guy tried to get something for free and lost.

"I thought they'd come out and put it out, even if you hadn't paid your $75, but I was wrong," said Gene Cranick.

Fucking freeloader.  Deserved what he got.

So, he went Galt and lost?

That I can get behind.

First, I apologize for being so flippant. I haven't been in the best mood today. I blame Frank Omiyale.

Second, I understand your point that if you see someone in distress, your reaction should be to help him. I can get behind that, but...

... the fire dept is dealing with limited resources. A field fire started the house fire, and they were there to control the field fire and prevent subscribers' houses from burning.

The guy gambled and lost.

That all said, I don't know why the FD wouldn't take advantage of the opportunity to make extra money by charging a premium for the "Oh shit, my house is on fire and I didn't think I'd need fire protection" crowd.

No problem.

I completely agree that this guy needs to pay.  I'm also pretty confident that he assumed that he could have his cake and eat it too.

However, I feel that this is something that can be addressed after the fire is put out.  Hell, the FD could add a large, lateness penalty on top of his fee.

If anything, this serves to remind him - and others - that government services cost money and that these things need to be paid for.

[Chuck to Chuck]

I completely agree that this guy needs to pay.  I'm also pretty confident that he assumed that he could have his cake and eat it too.

Especially because he specifically said so.
However, I feel that this is something that can be addressed after the fire is put out.  Hell, the FD could add a large, lateness penalty on top of his fee.

If anything, this serves to remind him - and others - that government services cost money and that these things need to be paid for.

That's something we've forgotten because half the politicians keep telling us we're overtaxed.  We're not.  We're over serviced.

[Chuck to Chuck]

DPD:

So, polls show Murkowski can still win in Alaska.  Crist is running 3rd party in Florida.  Lieberman won re-election as an indy a few years back.  Third party candidates may act as spoilers in both the senate and gubernatorial races here in Illinois.

If third parties can so easily get on the ballot and either spoil or even win, why again are we taxpayers paying for primaries?  They seem to be a waste of my money.

[Gilgamesh]

DPD:

So, polls show Murkowski can still win in Alaska.  Crist is running 3rd party in Florida.  Lieberman won re-election as an indy a few years back.  Third party candidates may act as spoilers in both the senate and gubernatorial races here in Illinois.

If third parties can so easily get on the ballot and either spoil or even win, why again are we taxpayers paying for primaries?  They seem to be a waste of my money.

I'd be interested in the wording of those polls in Alaska.  Simply asking a voter if they will vote for Mukowski is too simple, as her name will not be on the ballot.  Crist is faltering in Florida and splitting the vote.  There are probably several Democrats who want Meeks to drop out.

And here, in the land of Lincoln, no third party candidate will be viable.  Especially when the system serves to exclude the third-party candidate from any sort of debate.

[Chuck to Chuck]

DPD:

So, polls show Murkowski can still win in Alaska.  Crist is running 3rd party in Florida.  Lieberman won re-election as an indy a few years back.  Third party candidates may act as spoilers in both the senate and gubernatorial races here in Illinois.

If third parties can so easily get on the ballot and either spoil or even win, why again are we taxpayers paying for primaries?  They seem to be a waste of my money.

I'd be interested in the wording of those polls in Alaska.  Simply asking a voter if they will vote for Mukowski is too simple, as her name will not be on the ballot.  Crist is faltering in Florida and splitting the vote.  There are probably several Democrats who want Meeks to drop out.

And here, in the land of Lincoln, no third party candidate will be viable.  Especially when the system serves to exclude the third-party candidate from any sort of debate.

All I'm asking is: If you can get on the ballot without a primary, and in some cases even win, do we relly need taxpayer funded primaries?

[Gilgamesh]

DPD:

So, polls show Murkowski can still win in Alaska.  Crist is running 3rd party in Florida.  Lieberman won re-election as an indy a few years back.  Third party candidates may act as spoilers in both the senate and gubernatorial races here in Illinois.

If third parties can so easily get on the ballot and either spoil or even win, why again are we taxpayers paying for primaries?  They seem to be a waste of my money.

I'd be interested in the wording of those polls in Alaska.  Simply asking a voter if they will vote for Mukowski is too simple, as her name will not be on the ballot.  Crist is faltering in Florida and splitting the vote.  There are probably several Democrats who want Meeks to drop out.

And here, in the land of Lincoln, no third party candidate will be viable.  Especially when the system serves to exclude the third-party candidate from any sort of debate.

All I'm asking is: If you can get on the ballot without a primary, and in some cases even win, do we relly need taxpayer funded primaries?

No.  It should be a free-for-all.

And we should get rid of the first-past-the-post system, too.

[Gilgamesh]

In the same vein of the fire department discussion: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-10-03-feesforjustice_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

[CT III]

I think taxes should cover these kind of things, not some sort of fee per user model.

Um... Isn't the point that the guy chose to live in an area where TAXES SPECIFICALLY DON'T COVER THIS SPECIFIC TYPE OF THING?!!!??  Moreover, he had a coluntay tax of $75 that HE CHOSE NOT TO PAY.  The guy tried to get something for free and lost.

"I thought they'd come out and put it out, even if you hadn't paid your $75, but I was wrong," said Gene Cranick.

Fucking freeloader.  Deserved what he got.

So, he went Galt and lost?

That I can get behind.

First, I apologize for being so flippant. I haven't been in the best mood today. I blame Frank Omiyale.

Second, I understand your point that if you see someone in distress, your reaction should be to help him. I can get behind that, but...

... the fire dept is dealing with limited resources. A field fire started the house fire, and they were there to control the field fire and prevent subscribers' houses from burning.

The guy gambled and lost.

That all said, I don't know why the FD wouldn't take advantage of the opportunity to make extra money by charging a premium for the "Oh shit, my house is on fire and I didn't think I'd need fire protection" crowd.

The thing that strikes me as odd is that even though this guy didn't pay the money, his house fire does still pose a threat to other fire services subscribers.  Yeah, they can stand by to exstinguish if it starts to spread, but a strong wind could easily spread the house fire more quickly than the Fire Department could react (not to mention if anything hazardous or explosive is in the home as it burns).  Anyway, I don't feel bad for the guy, but still think they should have put out the fire and fined the living shit out of him.

However, I still can't believe the dumbass didn't simply pay the $75.00.  He's really fucked now, because it seems extremely likely that by not electing to pay for fire services, he invalidated his homeowners insurance policy.

[air2300]

DPD:

So, polls show Murkowski can still win in Alaska.  Crist is running 3rd party in Florida.  Lieberman won re-election as an indy a few years back.  Third party candidates may act as spoilers in both the senate and gubernatorial races here in Illinois.

If third parties can so easily get on the ballot and either spoil or even win, why again are we taxpayers paying for primaries?  They seem to be a waste of my money.

I'd be interested in the wording of those polls in Alaska.  Simply asking a voter if they will vote for Mukowski is too simple, as her name will not be on the ballot.  Crist is faltering in Florida and splitting the vote.  There are probably several Democrats who want Meeks to drop out.

And here, in the land of Lincoln, no third party candidate will be viable.  Especially when the system serves to exclude the third-party candidate from any sort of debate.

I def. do.  Him and Crist are splitting votes right now, which means we get Rubio.  Yay!