Fuck its silent in here.......

[SKO]

I just find it sad that every time there is an act of violence the media has to jump in and blame Right Wing Extremists only to be proven wrong each and every time.

Each and EVERY time?  Mike, I expect better of you than to speak in such absolutes.
Hehe.

Intrepid Reader: SKO: "Is he a Sith?"

Yeah right. If I was really a Star Wars nerd I'd say that it's interesting that Obi-Wan said that to Anakin because really the Jedis are the ones who deal in absolutes because the Sith are all about shades of gray and using emotions and confusing and deceiving people. But I'm not a nerd, so I won't.

[Quality Start Machine]

I just find it sad that every time there is an act of violence the media has to jump in and blame Right Wing Extremists only to be proven wrong each and every time. Bill Sparkman, Amy Bishop, The Fort Hood Shooter, The IRS Plane Crasher, The Cabbie Stabbing, and The Pentagon Shooter.

Hey look people get killed, its Talk Radio's fault! Or its Sarah Palin! Nice little pattern the media has. The Arizona shooting.....the media jumps right into blaming conservatives, how fucking sad to promote your propaganda on tragedies such as this.

No, I'm pretty sure if some lunatic had tried blowing the head off a Conservative member of Congress who had their district in crosshairs a surveyor's scope on a Democrat's website nobody would blame the Right Wing.

And who the hell blamed the Right Wing for Fort Hood? Everyone I saw was working overtime to paint this guy as an al Queida sleeper.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

I just find it sad that every time there is an act of violence the media has to jump in and blame Right Wing Extremists only to be proven wrong each and every time. Bill Sparkman, Amy Bishop, The Fort Hood Shooter, The IRS Plane Crasher, The Cabbie Stabbing, and The Pentagon Shooter.

Hey look people get killed, its Talk Radio's fault! Or its Sarah Palin! Nice little pattern the media has. The Arizona shooting.....the media jumps right into blaming conservatives, how fucking sad to promote your propaganda on tragedies such as this.

No, I'm pretty sure if some lunatic had tried blowing the head off a Conservative member of Congress who had their district in crosshairs a surveyor's scope on a Democrat's website nobody would blame the Right Wing.

And who the hell blamed the Right Wing for Fort Hood? Everyone I saw was working overtime to paint this guy as an al Queida sleeper.

Forget it, Fork.  It's Comartown.

[PenPho]

BUMP?

[MikeC]

This event was a tragedy by some nut job and you go and watch CNN or MSNBC and they are talking about how its' Sarah Palin's fault or Rush Limbaugh hell even the Tea Party? Wolf Blitzer of all people after a reporter spent 3 minutes going over Sarah Palin's whole history asked the reporter, " Is their any evidence that he was a Palin supporter?" And the reporter was like zero, none. So why the fuck you even mentioning her name?

Now they want to introduce legislation to curb political speech. Conservative speech, because as we all know liberals are so damn sympathetic to all people and are not racist and violent. I don't care if she had a website with nuclear bombs on each district, normal sane people don't walk into a Safeway and kill 6 people because they saw a target symbol on a website.....if he even visited the site, or was a Sarah Palin supporter in the slightest bit. Normal sane people know the difference between right and wrong. He wasn't normal and he wasn't sane.....and it sure as hell wasn't Palins fault.

I can point to things 10,000 times as bad as a Palin site with targets, there is about a decade of evidence of all the left wing hate speech, and violent imagery against Bush. Palin has had her fair share thrown at her and her family as well.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

This event was a tragedy by some nut job and you go and watch CNN or MSNBC and they are talking about how its' Sarah Palin's fault or Rush Limbaugh hell even the Tea Party? Wolf Blitzer of all people after a reporter spent 3 minutes going over Sarah Palin's whole history asked the reporter, " Is their any evidence that he was a Palin supporter?" And the reporter was like zero, none. So why the fuck you even mentioning her name?

Now they want to introduce legislation to curb political speech. Conservative speech, because as we all know liberals are so damn sympathetic to all people and are not racist and violent. I don't care if she had a website with nuclear bombs on each district, normal sane people don't walk into a Safeway and kill 6 people because they saw a target symbol on a website.....if he even visited the site, or was a Sarah Palin supporter in the slightest bit. Normal sane people know the difference between right and wrong. He wasn't normal and he wasn't sane.....and it sure as hell wasn't Palins fault.

I can point to things 10,000 times as bad as a Palin site with targets, there is about a decade of evidence of all the left wing hate speech, and violent imagery against Bush. Palin has had her fair share thrown at her and her family as well.

Who are you talking to? 

Besides the voices in your head, that is?

[Canadouche]

This event was a tragedy by some nut job and you go and watch CNN or MSNBC and they are talking about how its' Sarah Palin's fault or Rush Limbaugh hell even the Tea Party? Wolf Blitzer of all people after a reporter spent 3 minutes going over Sarah Palin's whole history asked the reporter, " Is their any evidence that he was a Palin supporter?" And the reporter was like zero, none. So why the fuck you even mentioning her name?

Now they want to introduce legislation to curb political speech. Conservative speech, because as we all know liberals are so damn sympathetic to all people and are not racist and violent. I don't care if she had a website with nuclear bombs on each district, normal sane people don't walk into a Safeway and kill 6 people because they saw a target symbol on a website.....if he even visited the site, or was a Sarah Palin supporter in the slightest bit. Normal sane people know the difference between right and wrong. He wasn't normal and he wasn't sane.....and it sure as hell wasn't Palins fault.

I can point to things 10,000 times as bad as a Palin site with targets, there is about a decade of evidence of all the left wing hate speech, and violent imagery against Bush. Palin has had her fair share thrown at her and her family as well.

Who are you talking to? 

Besides the voices in your head, that is?

Maybe MikeC should get a blog that none of us have to read.

[Oleg]

This event was a tragedy by some nut job and you go and watch CNN or MSNBC and they are talking about how its' Sarah Palin's fault or Rush Limbaugh hell even the Tea Party? Wolf Blitzer of all people after a reporter spent 3 minutes going over Sarah Palin's whole history asked the reporter, " Is their any evidence that he was a Palin supporter?" And the reporter was like zero, none. So why the fuck you even mentioning her name?

Now they want to introduce legislation to curb political speech. Conservative speech, because as we all know liberals are so damn sympathetic to all people and are not racist and violent. I don't care if she had a website with nuclear bombs on each district, normal sane people don't walk into a Safeway and kill 6 people because they saw a target symbol on a website.....if he even visited the site, or was a Sarah Palin supporter in the slightest bit. Normal sane people know the difference between right and wrong. He wasn't normal and he wasn't sane.....and it sure as hell wasn't Palins fault.

I can point to things 10,000 times as bad as a Palin site with targets, there is about a decade of evidence of all the left wing hate speech, and violent imagery against Bush. Palin has had her fair share thrown at her and her family as well.

I think you're right.  The conversation should be focuses on how we live in a country that allowed this guy to buy a gun legally.

I also think you are misstating some things...no one is going to pass any laws that restrict any conservative speech.  That's just dumb and makes the rest of your surprisingly rational point kind of moot.

As for anything as bad as the Palin targets, shoot.  Sorry, bad word choice.  Fire away.  Nope, not that either.  How about, I'll settle for two examples that weren't immediately denounced by others on the left.

As far as her family goes, I mean it's not like there's an example of a female on the Democrat side who has gotten her share of abuse.  Nope...none.

And, it certainly isn't like anyone on the right blamed a certain Marylin Manson after Columbine.

In conclusion, everyone sucks.  Except me.  I'm awesome.

edit: I forgot my real conclusion.  We can use this as a learning experience about rhetoric.  Both sides use whatever they need in order to fire up their bases.  It just so happens that the right tends to be more responsive to guns/military imagery.  It's not always a bad thing and rational people should be able to tell the difference.  Let's just all promise to tone it down and try to raise the level of discourse.  We can all argue quietly without shooting people, right?  Of course that won't get O'Reilly or Olbermann ratings, so we probably won't.

[Quality Start Machine]

I can point to things 10,000 times as bad as a Palin site with targets, there is about a decade of evidence of all the left wing hate speech, and violent imagery against Bush. Palin has had her fair share thrown at her and her family as well.

since you've paraphrased Michelle Malkin's latest screed here, allow me to rebut.

There are plenty of websites, imagery, etc. with all kinds of hate on them - Nobody is truly President of the United States until he's been caricatured as Hitler - but all Malkin's examples (and, by extention, anything you'd provide) are done by the left-wing version of Birthers.

Not by former Vice Presidential nominees, probably Presidential candidates, or groups funded by the DNC. You are comparing apples to basketballs.

[morpheus]

This event was a tragedy by some nut job and you go and watch CNN or MSNBC and they are talking about how its' Sarah Palin's fault or Rush Limbaugh hell even the Tea Party? Wolf Blitzer of all people after a reporter spent 3 minutes going over Sarah Palin's whole history asked the reporter, " Is their any evidence that he was a Palin supporter?" And the reporter was like zero, none. So why the fuck you even mentioning her name?

Now they want to introduce legislation to curb political speech. Conservative speech, because as we all know liberals are so damn sympathetic to all people and are not racist and violent. I don't care if she had a website with nuclear bombs on each district, normal sane people don't walk into a Safeway and kill 6 people because they saw a target symbol on a website.....if he even visited the site, or was a Sarah Palin supporter in the slightest bit. Normal sane people know the difference between right and wrong. He wasn't normal and he wasn't sane.....and it sure as hell wasn't Palins fault.

I can point to things 10,000 times as bad as a Palin site with targets, there is about a decade of evidence of all the left wing hate speech, and violent imagery against Bush. Palin has had her fair share thrown at her and her family as well.

Who are you talking to? 

Besides the voices in your head, that is?

Maybe MikeC should get a blog that none of us have to read.

http://cubspundit.blogspot.com/

[morpheus]

I can point to things 10,000 times as bad as a Palin site with targets, there is about a decade of evidence of all the left wing hate speech, and violent imagery against Bush. Palin has had her fair share thrown at her and her family as well.

since you've paraphrased Michelle Malkin's latest screed here, allow me to rebut.

There are plenty of websites, imagery, etc. with all kinds of hate on them - Nobody is truly President of the United States until he's been caricatured as Hitler - but all Malkin's examples (and, by extention, anything you'd provide) are done by the left-wing version of Birthers.

Not by former Vice Presidential nominees, probably Presidential candidates, or groups funded by the DNC. You are comparing apples to basketballs.

DPD.  Damnit Fork, your insistence on acting like one of these parties is better than the other (hint - it's not) has forced me to post this.  I've tried to stay out of this, mainly because a nutjob's a nutjob and all this bullshit about the rhetoric causing anything is, well, bullshit.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171



Those look like bullseyes, a "targeting strategy," and "BEHIND ENEMY LINES."  From the DLC.  So stop acting like it's "The right does rhetoric like THIS, the left like THIS."

Also, Oleg's conclusion is perfect.  Well said, indeed.

[Quality Start Machine]

Also, Oleg's conclusion is perfect.  Well said, indeed.

Except that he's not awesome at all.

[morpheus]

Also, Oleg's conclusion is perfect.  Well said, indeed.

Except that he's not awesome at all.

Well, I *did* only support the conclusion.

[Internet Apex]

I can point to things 10,000 times as bad as a Palin site with targets, there is about a decade of evidence of all the left wing hate speech, and violent imagery against Bush. Palin has had her fair share thrown at her and her family as well.

since you've paraphrased Michelle Malkin's latest screed here, allow me to rebut.

There are plenty of websites, imagery, etc. with all kinds of hate on them - Nobody is truly President of the United States until he's been caricatured as Hitler - but all Malkin's examples (and, by extention, anything you'd provide) are done by the left-wing version of Birthers.

Not by former Vice Presidential nominees, probably Presidential candidates, or groups funded by the DNC. You are comparing apples to basketballs.

DPD.  Damnit Fork, your insistence on acting like one of these parties is better than the other (hint - it's not) has forced me to post this.  I've tried to stay out of this, mainly because a nutjob's a nutjob and all this bullshit about the rhetoric causing anything is, well, bullshit.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171



Those look like bullseyes, a "targeting strategy," and "BEHIND ENEMY LINES."  From the DLC.  So stop acting like it's "The right does rhetoric like THIS, the left like THIS."

Also, Oleg's conclusion is perfect.  Well said, indeed.

You douche. Those targets are for archery practice. Bows and arrows? Probably with the little orange plunger on the tip like kids play with (||).

[morpheus]

I can point to things 10,000 times as bad as a Palin site with targets, there is about a decade of evidence of all the left wing hate speech, and violent imagery against Bush. Palin has had her fair share thrown at her and her family as well.

since you've paraphrased Michelle Malkin's latest screed here, allow me to rebut.

There are plenty of websites, imagery, etc. with all kinds of hate on them - Nobody is truly President of the United States until he's been caricatured as Hitler - but all Malkin's examples (and, by extention, anything you'd provide) are done by the left-wing version of Birthers.

Not by former Vice Presidential nominees, probably Presidential candidates, or groups funded by the DNC. You are comparing apples to basketballs.

DPD.  Damnit Fork, your insistence on acting like one of these parties is better than the other (hint - it's not) has forced me to post this.  I've tried to stay out of this, mainly because a nutjob's a nutjob and all this bullshit about the rhetoric causing anything is, well, bullshit.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171



Those look like bullseyes, a "targeting strategy," and "BEHIND ENEMY LINES."  From the DLC.  So stop acting like it's "The right does rhetoric like THIS, the left like THIS."

Also, Oleg's conclusion is perfect.  Well said, indeed.

You douche. Those targets are for archery practice. Bows and arrows? Probably with the little orange plunger on the tip like kids play with (||).

Hey man, bows and arrows kill too.  Ain't you ever seen Rambo?