Fuck its silent in here.......

[Eli]

For the record, I don't think Morph is an asshole, but ... geez.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

I'm going to start prefacing sentences with, "I guess I don't really understand the arguments of the financially uneducated" just to see what it feels like to be a giant asshole.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-romney-hamptons-fundraiser-20120708,0,4909639.story

A New York City donor a few cars back, who also would not give her name, said Romney needed to do a better job connecting. "I don't think the common person is getting it," she said from the passenger seat of a Range Rover stamped with East Hampton beach permits. "Nobody understands why Obama is hurting them.

"We've got the message," she added. "But my college kid, the baby sitters, the nails ladies -- everybody who's got the right to vote -- they don't understand what's going on. I just think if you're lower income -- one, you're not as educated, two, they don't understand how it works, they don't understand how the systems work, they don't understand the impact."

[Chuck to Chuck]

I think it matters when the Republican candidate's own father released 12 years of tax records when he ran for president.

How did that work out?

[morpheus]

What Romney is doing is completely legal, but this is hardly the political climate to try winning by saying, "What's a millionaire to do?"

I anxiously await the handwringing over Debbie Wasserman Schultz's foreign investments.  This is all so pointless, and takes up space and time that honest debate over issues and policies would much better fill.

1. When did Schultz enter the race for president?
2. Since when are off-shore bank accounts considered 'investments'?
3. Just how to you make such a large strawman on a fringe message board?  is there a youtube video for that?

OK... so it's only bad to have money invested offshore if you're a Presidential candidate, or something?  Why is that acceptable for Presidential non-candidates but somehow the worst thing since poll taxes if you're a Presidential candidate?  I think my strawman may have some competition with your #1 "point" there, although I think "red herring" is the more appropriate fallacy.  Hey, look, Nancy Pelosi is also an active international investor!  Is that a strawman, too?

Why is it a big deal for anyone to have an offshore bank account?  And, since you don't consider a bank account an "investment" for some reason (I always have), I should also ask why you think anyone would bother putting their money in a bank at all, whether it's onshore or offshore? 

As for the idea that I somehow put up a strawman here... I guess I don't really understand the arguments of the financially uneducated, so perhaps it is possible that I misrepresented them (although I believe "strawman" is deliberate misrepresentation, of which I did no such thing).

So much time has been wasted on something that means nothing at all as far as who would make the better President.  Seriously, if this is the best that the Dems have, wow.  It's disappointing, really.

Sure.

I think it matters when the Republican candidate's own father released 12 years of tax records when he ran for president.  I think it matters when the Republican candidate advocates increasing tax cuts (which we can't afford) that will primarily benefit people like him, i.e. wealthy people.  I think it matters that when the Republican candidate is running for the highest office in the land, he does everything within his legal power to take advantage of various loopholes in the tax code to reduce his personal tax burden.

I personally don't give a shit where Romney puts his money in all honesty, but I think that after 3.5 years of people in his party either overtly or furtively insinuating that his opponent wasn't born in the United States, or that his opponent is a socialist, Muslim, Kenyan, or that his opponent is actively hoping to make every person in the country dependent on food stamps (or is secretly destroying the country), I think this is a pretty mild charge to level at Mr. Romney.

I don't even know what the charge is.  "HE'S RICH!"  "HE'S GOT INVESTMENTS OUTSIDE THE U.S.!"  What is it?

[CBStew]

I'm going to start prefacing sentences with, "I guess I don't really understand the arguments of the financially uneducated" just to see what it feels like to be a giant asshole.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-romney-hamptons-fundraiser-20120708,0,4909639.story

A New York City donor a few cars back, who also would not give her name, said Romney needed to do a better job connecting. "I don't think the common person is getting it," she said from the passenger seat of a Range Rover stamped with East Hampton beach permits. "Nobody understands why Obama is hurting them.

"We've got the message," she added. "But my college kid, the baby sitters, the nails ladies -- everybody who's got the right to vote -- they don't understand what's going on. I just think if you're lower income -- one, you're not as educated, two, they don't understand how it works, they don't understand how the systems work, they don't understand the impact."

I love it.  Her child is a "not as educated college kid?"  Whose fault is that?

[BH]

I'm going to start prefacing sentences with, "I guess I don't really understand the arguments of the financially uneducated" just to see what it feels like to be a giant asshole.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-romney-hamptons-fundraiser-20120708,0,4909639.story

A New York City donor a few cars back, who also would not give her name, said Romney needed to do a better job connecting. "I don't think the common person is getting it," she said from the passenger seat of a Range Rover stamped with East Hampton beach permits. "Nobody understands why Obama is hurting them.

"We've got the message," she added. "But my college kid, the baby sitters, the nails ladies -- everybody who's got the right to vote -- they don't understand what's going on. I just think if you're lower income -- one, you're not as educated, two, they don't understand how it works, they don't understand how the systems work, they don't understand the impact."

I love it.  Her child is a "not as educated college kid?"  Whose fault is that?

Obama's man, don't you get it?

[J. Walter Weatherman]

I'm going to start prefacing sentences with, "I guess I don't really understand the arguments of the financially uneducated" just to see what it feels like to be a giant asshole.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-romney-hamptons-fundraiser-20120708,0,4909639.story

A New York City donor a few cars back, who also would not give her name, said Romney needed to do a better job connecting. "I don't think the common person is getting it," she said from the passenger seat of a Range Rover stamped with East Hampton beach permits. "Nobody understands why Obama is hurting them.

"We've got the message," she added. "But my college kid, the baby sitters, the nails ladies -- everybody who's got the right to vote -- they don't understand what's going on. I just think if you're lower income -- one, you're not as educated, two, they don't understand how it works, they don't understand how the systems work, they don't understand the impact."

I love it.  Her child is a "not as educated college kid?"  Whose fault is that?

The nanny's?

[CBStew]

I don't even know what the charge is.  "HE'S RICH!"  "HE'S GOT INVESTMENTS OUTSIDE THE U.S.!"  What is it?

You are kidding, right?   He has been asked to be more transparent about his economic interests.  Rather than make disclosures, he appears to be going to the extreme of hiding his assets in off shore accounts.  Gypsy Rose Lee told us that she never showed very much because she believed in having her audiences wanting to see more.  It worked for Gypsy, but I think that it is bad advice for someone running for President.

[morpheus]

For the record, I don't think Morph is an asshole, but ... geez.

Thanks, Eli.  For the record, I take no stand on the financial knowledge of those on this fringe messageboard... However in hindsight I see that phrase does look assholish, and I apologize for that.  Poor choice of words.

I was, by way of clarification, referring to those raising the issue in the first place as part of the campaign.  I suppose they could be very well educated on financial matters and are just deliberately misleading, since there is nothing wrong with investing one's money internationally, either in the moral or legal sense.

[BH]

For the record, I don't think Morph is an asshole, but ... geez.

Thanks, Eli.  For the record, I take no stand on the financial knowledge of those on this fringe messageboard... However in hindsight I see that phrase does look assholish, and I apologize for that.  Poor choice of words.

I was, by way of clarification, referring to those raising the issue in the first place as part of the campaign.  I suppose they could be very well educated on financial matters and are just deliberately misleading, since there is nothing wrong with investing one's money internationally, either in the moral or legal sense.

What's morph really hiding? Have we seen his statements posted on this site yet?

[morpheus]

I don't even know what the charge is.  "HE'S RICH!"  "HE'S GOT INVESTMENTS OUTSIDE THE U.S.!"  What is it?

You are kidding, right?   He has been asked to be more transparent about his economic interests.  Rather than make disclosures, he appears to be going to the extreme of hiding his assets in off shore accounts.  Gypsy Rose Lee told us that she never showed very much because she believed in having her audiences wanting to see more.  It worked for Gypsy, but I think that it is bad advice for someone running for President.

No, I'm serious.  How do you think the world found out about his SECRET EVIL OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS WITH HIDDEN ASSETS IN THEM?  He didn't do a very good job of hiding them, since he declared the accounts to the IRS.  He doesn't "appear" to be doing anything other that holding a fuckload of wealth in a variety of investments, all of which have been disclosed to the IRS as required.  This is not going to an extreme at all for folks with this size of a portfolio.  So, tell me again, what is the exact assertion here?  That he didn't tell the world exactly what he held in an investment vehicle?  That's it?

Hell, even the DAILY KOS gets it.  This whole thing is a complete waste of time.

[Gilgamesh]

I don't even know what the charge is.  "HE'S RICH!"  "HE'S GOT INVESTMENTS OUTSIDE THE U.S.!"  What is it?

You are kidding, right?   He has been asked to be more transparent about his economic interests.  Rather than make disclosures, he appears to be going to the extreme of hiding his assets in off shore accounts.  Gypsy Rose Lee told us that she never showed very much because she believed in having her audiences wanting to see more.  It worked for Gypsy, but I think that it is bad advice for someone running for President.

No, I'm serious.  How do you think the world found out about his SECRET EVIL OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS WITH HIDDEN ASSETS IN THEM?  He didn't do a very good job of hiding them, since he declared the accounts to the IRS.  He doesn't "appear" to be doing anything other that holding a fuckload of wealth in a variety of investments, all of which have been disclosed to the IRS as required.  This is not going to an extreme at all for folks with this size of a portfolio.  So, tell me again, what is the exact assertion here?  That he didn't tell the world exactly what he held in an investment vehicle?  That's it?

Hell, even the DAILY KOS gets it.  This whole thing is a complete waste of time.

It's a big deal because one party thinks this stuff makes the other party look really bad.  Like two monkeys throwing foeces.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

For the record, I don't think Morph is an asshole, but ... geez.

Thanks, Eli.  For the record, I take no stand on the financial knowledge of those on this fringe messageboard... However in hindsight I see that phrase does look assholish, and I apologize for that.  Poor choice of words.

I was, by way of clarification, referring to those raising the issue in the first place as part of the campaign.  I suppose they could be very well educated on financial matters and are just deliberately misleading, since there is nothing wrong with investing one's money internationally, either in the moral or legal sense.

Does it make sense, however, to distinguish between investing your money in companies overseas and investing it in the Cayman Islands Offshore Holding Corporation?

[morpheus]

I don't even know what the charge is.  "HE'S RICH!"  "HE'S GOT INVESTMENTS OUTSIDE THE U.S.!"  What is it?

You are kidding, right?   He has been asked to be more transparent about his economic interests.  Rather than make disclosures, he appears to be going to the extreme of hiding his assets in off shore accounts.  Gypsy Rose Lee told us that she never showed very much because she believed in having her audiences wanting to see more.  It worked for Gypsy, but I think that it is bad advice for someone running for President.

No, I'm serious.  How do you think the world found out about his SECRET EVIL OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS WITH HIDDEN ASSETS IN THEM?  He didn't do a very good job of hiding them, since he declared the accounts to the IRS.  He doesn't "appear" to be doing anything other that holding a fuckload of wealth in a variety of investments, all of which have been disclosed to the IRS as required.  This is not going to an extreme at all for folks with this size of a portfolio.  So, tell me again, what is the exact assertion here?  That he didn't tell the world exactly what he held in an investment vehicle?  That's it?

Hell, even the DAILY KOS gets it.  This whole thing is a complete waste of time.

It's a big deal because one party thinks this stuff makes the other party look really bad.  Like two monkeys throwing foeces.

As long as that monkey foaeces doesn't get anywhere near a human toilet...

[Chuck to Chuck]

This whole thing is a complete waste of time.

The offshore holdings or the presidential race as a whole?