The Jeff Samardzija Defenestration Thread

[Saul Goodman]

Cubes make Samardzija a new offer.

But, I've always kept a crack in the door for the possibility of an extension between the Cubs and Samardzija, and GM Jed Hoyer made sure to preserve that crack earlier this year, even as expectations of a trade swirled.

That sure is nice of Jed to preserve Brett's crack.  Does Al know the Cubs are taking advice from other bloggers now?

[CBStew]

Cue Doris Day to sing "Que Sera, Sera."

[PenFoe]

Source confirms Jeff Samardzija rejected a five-year offer from Cubs. Value was slightly more than $85 million, source said.

Can't see the Cubs going higher than that. That's basically the same $ and 1 year less than the frequently mentioned Homer Bailey extension (6/105)

Think we can probably end the "I hope he signs an extension" campaign.

Come on, good (and hopefully soon-to-be-ready) prospects.

[Slaky]

Source confirms Jeff Samardzija rejected a five-year offer from Cubs. Value was slightly more than $85 million, source said.

Can't see the Cubs going higher than that. That's basically the same $ and 1 year less than the frequently mentioned Homer Bailey extension (6/105)

Think we can probably end the "I hope he signs an extension" campaign.

Come on, good (and hopefully soon-to-be-ready) prospects.

Sahadev said the make up of the return will say a lot about what Jepstink thinks about where the Cubs are as far as being competitive. They've been a .500 team since May 1st and that's without any offense from the outfield.

It sucks that Samardzija wants to get rich and win games now but hard to blame him. Hopefully teams don't get too turned off about the smallish sample size that is his 2014 so far.

Here's hoping the haul back is made of players who can help now. Not really sure how that'll work though.

The Cubs offer is super transparent though - no way he was going to take that.

[PenFoe]

Source confirms Jeff Samardzija rejected a five-year offer from Cubs. Value was slightly more than $85 million, source said.

Can't see the Cubs going higher than that. That's basically the same $ and 1 year less than the frequently mentioned Homer Bailey extension (6/105)

Think we can probably end the "I hope he signs an extension" campaign.

Come on, good (and hopefully soon-to-be-ready) prospects.

Sahadev said the make up of the return will say a lot about what Jepstink thinks about where the Cubs are as far as being competitive. They've been a .500 team since May 1st and that's without any offense from the outfield.

It sucks that Samardzija wants to get rich and win games now but hard to blame him. Hopefully teams don't get too turned off about the smallish sample size that is his 2014 so far.

Here's hoping the haul back is made of players who can help now. Not really sure how that'll work though.

The Cubs offer is super transparent though - no way he was going to take that.

My only thinking is that the Cubs think that one of the FA pitchers is clearly better than Samardzija.
Or that two of the mid-tier guys are better bets.

Hendricks is the only pitching prospect that's even close to being ready, and he's good but not great.

Even best case, you still need at least 1 top-tier starter and probably 2 rotation guys (to join a decent but not world-beating group of Wood, Arrieta, and the likely untradeable E-Jax) in 2015.

I know we've been over this before, but at some point they need some good (proven) pitching that's not on short-term deals.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

Source confirms Jeff Samardzija rejected a five-year offer from Cubs. Value was slightly more than $85 million, source said.

Can't see the Cubs going higher than that. That's basically the same $ and 1 year less than the frequently mentioned Homer Bailey extension (6/105)

Think we can probably end the "I hope he signs an extension" campaign.

Come on, good (and hopefully soon-to-be-ready) prospects.

Sahadev said the make up of the return will say a lot about what Jepstink thinks about where the Cubs are as far as being competitive. They've been a .500 team since May 1st and that's without any offense from the outfield.

It sucks that Samardzija wants to get rich and win games now but hard to blame him. Hopefully teams don't get too turned off about the smallish sample size that is his 2014 so far.

Here's hoping the haul back is made of players who can help now. Not really sure how that'll work though.

The Cubs offer is super transparent though - no way he was going to take that.

My only thinking is that the Cubs think that one of the FA pitchers is clearly better than Samardzija.
Or that two of the mid-tier guys are better bets.

Hendricks is the only pitching prospect that's even close to being ready, and he's good but not great.

Even best case, you still need at least 1 top-tier starter and probably 2 rotation guys (to join a decent but not world-beating group of Wood, Arrieta, and the likely untradeable E-Jax) in 2015.

I know we've been over this before, but at some point they need some good (proven) pitching that's not on short-term deals.

I liked Sharma's line of thought here:

I think the Cubs look at it thinking they can get a haul for Samardzija & spend that $ on a comparable arm in free agency. Double up on it.

If they can sign an equivalent arm in free agency at a similar price point and get something back for Snork in a trade, that's the best of both worlds.

At the very least, from this perspective, the value per dollar from signing a hypothetical free agent replacement plus the value they'd expect to get back in a trade sets the floor on the value per dollar the front office would demand out of an extension.

[InternetApex]

Source confirms Jeff Samardzija rejected a five-year offer from Cubs. Value was slightly more than $85 million, source said.

Can't see the Cubs going higher than that. That's basically the same $ and 1 year less than the frequently mentioned Homer Bailey extension (6/105)

Think we can probably end the "I hope he signs an extension" campaign.

Come on, good (and hopefully soon-to-be-ready) prospects.

Sahadev said the make up of the return will say a lot about what Jepstink thinks about where the Cubs are as far as being competitive. They've been a .500 team since May 1st and that's without any offense from the outfield.

It sucks that Samardzija wants to get rich and win games now but hard to blame him. Hopefully teams don't get too turned off about the smallish sample size that is his 2014 so far.

Here's hoping the haul back is made of players who can help now. Not really sure how that'll work though.

The Cubs offer is super transparent though - no way he was going to take that.

My only thinking is that the Cubs think that one of the FA pitchers is clearly better than Samardzija.
Or that two of the mid-tier guys are better bets.

Hendricks is the only pitching prospect that's even close to being ready, and he's good but not great.

Even best case, you still need at least 1 top-tier starter and probably 2 rotation guys (to join a decent but not world-beating group of Wood, Arrieta, and the likely untradeable E-Jax) in 2015.

I know we've been over this before, but at some point they need some good (proven) pitching that's not on short-term deals.

I liked Sharma's line of thought here:

I think the Cubs look at it thinking they can get a haul for Samardzija & spend that $ on a comparable arm in free agency. Double up on it.

If they can sign an equivalent arm in free agency at a similar price point and get something back for Snork in a trade, that's the best of both worlds.

At the very least, from this perspective, the value per dollar from signing a hypothetical free agent replacement plus the value they'd expect to get back in a trade sets the floor on the value per dollar the front office would demand out of an extension.

All of THIS. And fuck Snork.

[Powdered Toast Man]

Source confirms Jeff Samardzija rejected a five-year offer from Cubs. Value was slightly more than $85 million, source said.

Can't see the Cubs going higher than that. That's basically the same $ and 1 year less than the frequently mentioned Homer Bailey extension (6/105)

Think we can probably end the "I hope he signs an extension" campaign.

Come on, good (and hopefully soon-to-be-ready) prospects.

Sahadev said the make up of the return will say a lot about what Jepstink thinks about where the Cubs are as far as being competitive. They've been a .500 team since May 1st and that's without any offense from the outfield.

It sucks that Samardzija wants to get rich and win games now but hard to blame him. Hopefully teams don't get too turned off about the smallish sample size that is his 2014 so far.

Here's hoping the haul back is made of players who can help now. Not really sure how that'll work though.

The Cubs offer is super transparent though - no way he was going to take that.

My only thinking is that the Cubs think that one of the FA pitchers is clearly better than Samardzija.
Or that two of the mid-tier guys are better bets.

Hendricks is the only pitching prospect that's even close to being ready, and he's good but not great.

Even best case, you still need at least 1 top-tier starter and probably 2 rotation guys (to join a decent but not world-beating group of Wood, Arrieta, and the likely untradeable E-Jax) in 2015.

I know we've been over this before, but at some point they need some good (proven) pitching that's not on short-term deals.

I liked Sharma's line of thought here:

I think the Cubs look at it thinking they can get a haul for Samardzija & spend that $ on a comparable arm in free agency. Double up on it.

If they can sign an equivalent arm in free agency at a similar price point and get something back for Snork in a trade, that's the best of both worlds.

At the very least, from this perspective, the value per dollar from signing a hypothetical free agent replacement plus the value they'd expect to get back in a trade sets the floor on the value per dollar the front office would demand out of an extension.

All of THIS. And fuck Snork.

Why? He's basically doing the Cubs a favor. Not that they need it; I think the offer is quite veiled and they planned to double up anyway.

[InternetApex]

Source confirms Jeff Samardzija rejected a five-year offer from Cubs. Value was slightly more than $85 million, source said.

Can't see the Cubs going higher than that. That's basically the same $ and 1 year less than the frequently mentioned Homer Bailey extension (6/105)

Think we can probably end the "I hope he signs an extension" campaign.

Come on, good (and hopefully soon-to-be-ready) prospects.

Sahadev said the make up of the return will say a lot about what Jepstink thinks about where the Cubs are as far as being competitive. They've been a .500 team since May 1st and that's without any offense from the outfield.

It sucks that Samardzija wants to get rich and win games now but hard to blame him. Hopefully teams don't get too turned off about the smallish sample size that is his 2014 so far.

Here's hoping the haul back is made of players who can help now. Not really sure how that'll work though.

The Cubs offer is super transparent though - no way he was going to take that.

My only thinking is that the Cubs think that one of the FA pitchers is clearly better than Samardzija.
Or that two of the mid-tier guys are better bets.

Hendricks is the only pitching prospect that's even close to being ready, and he's good but not great.

Even best case, you still need at least 1 top-tier starter and probably 2 rotation guys (to join a decent but not world-beating group of Wood, Arrieta, and the likely untradeable E-Jax) in 2015.

I know we've been over this before, but at some point they need some good (proven) pitching that's not on short-term deals.

I liked Sharma's line of thought here:

I think the Cubs look at it thinking they can get a haul for Samardzija & spend that $ on a comparable arm in free agency. Double up on it.

If they can sign an equivalent arm in free agency at a similar price point and get something back for Snork in a trade, that's the best of both worlds.

At the very least, from this perspective, the value per dollar from signing a hypothetical free agent replacement plus the value they'd expect to get back in a trade sets the floor on the value per dollar the front office would demand out of an extension.

All of THIS. And fuck Snork.

Why? He's basically doing the Cubs a favor. Not that they need it; I think the offer is quite veiled and they planned to double up anyway.

Because he's an ugly, overrated pudwhack with woman hair who played football for Notre Dame. We've been over this.

[Eli]

Because he's an ugly, overrated pudwhack with woman hair who played football for Notre Dame. We've been over this.

All true except the bolded. In fact, I'd still say it's the opposite.

[Bort]

Because he's an ugly, overrated pudwhack with woman hair who played football for Notre Dame. We've been over this.

All true except the bolded. In fact, I'd still say it's the opposite.

Damn it, Eli. Why can't you be negative when I need it?

[Chuck to Chuck]

Because he's an ugly, overrated pudwhack with woman hair who played football for Notre Dame. We've been over this.

All true except the bolded. In fact, I'd still say it's the opposite.

Guy wants $22mm per year, in-line with the top pitchers in baseball.  Similarity scores:

1. Juan Cruz (977)
2. Calvin Schiraldi (976)
3. Kevin Correia (975)
4. Carlos Villanueva (970)
5. Bill Swift (970)
6. Dave Stewart (969)
7. Mark Grant (969)
8. Ron Schueler (968)
9. Renie Martin (967)
10. Willie Fraser (964)

Career ERA+ of 102.
Pitched 200 innings once in his career.
1.0 WAR pitcher in his 200+ inning season.

But people think he's awesome.

That sounds like textbook overrated to me.

[PenFoe]

Because he's an ugly, overrated pudwhack with woman hair who played football for Notre Dame. We've been over this.

All true except the bolded. In fact, I'd still say it's the opposite.

Guy wants $22mm per year, in-line with the top pitchers in baseball.  Similarity scores:

1. Juan Cruz (977)
2. Calvin Schiraldi (976)
3. Kevin Correia (975)
4. Carlos Villanueva (970)
5. Bill Swift (970)
6. Dave Stewart (969)
7. Mark Grant (969)
8. Ron Schueler (968)
9. Renie Martin (967)
10. Willie Fraser (964)

Career ERA+ of 102.
Pitched 200 innings once in his career.
1.0 WAR pitcher in his 200+ inning season.

But people think he's awesome.

That sounds like textbook overrated to me.

I think he's hoping for that money based on future performance, not past.
Which seems pretty fair based on how he's doing right now.

I'm not saying I want the Cubs to pay it, but I'd take him over Homer Bailey.

[Powdered Toast Man]

Because he's an ugly, overrated pudwhack with woman hair who played football for Notre Dame. We've been over this.

All true except the bolded. In fact, I'd still say it's the opposite.

Guy wants $22mm per year, in-line with the top pitchers in baseball.  Similarity scores:

1. Juan Cruz (977)
2. Calvin Schiraldi (976)
3. Kevin Correia (975)
4. Carlos Villanueva (970)
5. Bill Swift (970)
6. Dave Stewart (969)
7. Mark Grant (969)
8. Ron Schueler (968)
9. Renie Martin (967)
10. Willie Fraser (964)

Career ERA+ of 102.
Pitched 200 innings once in his career.
1.0 WAR pitcher in his 200+ inning season.

But people think he's awesome.

That sounds like textbook overrated to me.

I think he's hoping for that money based on future performance, not past.
Which seems pretty fair based on how he's doing right now.

I'm not saying I want the Cubs to pay it, but I'd take him over Homer Bailey.

THAT

[Chuck to Chuck]

I don't care if they pay him or not. I would be disappointed if they try to win with him on the staff an no one better.  Shark as your ace isn't a very good team.  Shark as 3 or 4? Very good team.