The All-Purpose No Bullshit Tolerating Who Should Be the Next Manager Thread

[PenPho]

They could do a lot worse than Wedge.  Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.

That's just dumb.  A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap.  Instead, we got Don Baylor.

I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't.  But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown.  We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.

:::UPDATE:::

Wow.  Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?

What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.

I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.

That explains a lot.

Please share an example of at least one thing that you think that explains.

Chuck thinks I'm stupid, I guess.

You could do a lot worse.

[CBStew]

They could do a lot worse than Wedge.  Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.

That's just dumb.  A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap.  Instead, we got Don Baylor.

I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't.  But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown.  We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.

:::UPDATE:::

Wow.  Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?

What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.

I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.

I think he point was that Sandberg and Wedge may be the same guy? I dunno.

No, I think that he was pointing out that this was the perfect illustration of the Peter Principle.

[CBStew]

They could do a lot worse than Wedge.  Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.

That's just dumb.  A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap.  Instead, we got Don Baylor.

I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't.  But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown.  We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.

:::UPDATE:::

Wow.  Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?

What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.

I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.

I think he point was that Sandberg and Wedge may be the same guy? I dunno.

No, I think that he was pointing out that this was the perfect illustration of the Peter Principle.

Peter Principle
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
For the BBC sitcom, see The Peter Principle (TV series).
The Peter Principle is the principle that "in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to their level of incompetence".

It was formulated by Dr. Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull in their 1969 book The Peter Principle, a humorous treatise which also introduced the "salutary science of hierarchiology", "inadvertently founded" by Peter. It holds that in a hierarchy, members are promoted so long as they work competently. Sooner or later they are promoted to a position at which they are no longer competent (their "level of incompetence"), and there they remain, being unable to earn further promotions. This principle can be modelled and has theoretical validity.[1] Peter's Corollary states that "in time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out their duties" and adds that "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence".

[Yeti]

They could do a lot worse than Wedge.  Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.

That's just dumb.  A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap.  Instead, we got Don Baylor.

I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't.  But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown.  We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.

:::UPDATE:::

Wow.  Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?

What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.

I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.

I think he point was that Sandberg and Wedge may be the same guy? I dunno.

No, I think that he was pointing out that this was the perfect illustration of the Peter Principle.

Peter Principle
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
For the BBC sitcom, see The Peter Principle (TV series).
The Peter Principle is the principle that "in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to their level of incompetence".

It was formulated by Dr. Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull in their 1969 book The Peter Principle, a humorous treatise which also introduced the "salutary science of hierarchiology", "inadvertently founded" by Peter. It holds that in a hierarchy, members are promoted so long as they work competently. Sooner or later they are promoted to a position at which they are no longer competent (their "level of incompetence"), and there they remain, being unable to earn further promotions. This principle can be modelled and has theoretical validity.[1] Peter's Corollary states that "in time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out their duties" and adds that "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence".

CBHStew

[Saul Goodman]

This doesn't really say anything about the managerial search.  It's great evidence for the statement, "Jon Greenberg is a crappy writer", though.

[Internet Apex]

This doesn't really say anything about the managerial search.  It's great evidence for the statement, "Jon Greenberg is a crappy writer", though.

Thanks for the link then?

[Saul Goodman]

This doesn't really say anything about the managerial search.  It's great evidence for the statement, "Jon Greenberg is a crappy writer", though.

Thanks for the link then?

This site is one of the greatest places for mocking crappiness in the important field of Chicago sports on the internet.  Show some respect.

[Internet Apex]

The Hawk didn't really slather his good buddy Ryno with effusive praise, did he?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0831-cubs-bits--20100830,0,3889520.story

"I'm still kind of amazed that he wants to do it at this level," Dawson said. "It's different at the minor-league level when you're doing a little bit more evaluating and you're working with the kids and you're trying to get them to the next level. Here it's egos, attitudes, business and you're under the microscope a little bit more. Ryno, I never envisioned that as a player. He was a little bit more laid-back, quiet ...

"Maybe there's a different animal now that surfaced. But I wish him well. Anyone who wants to take that on, who wants that challenge, I really wish him the best. I think he'd do a good job at it. He's respected in that manner. He played the game the way he was supposed to play the game. He knows how to win the respect of his peers, of the players he'd be above.

"So I think he'd do very well at it, but initially if he's thrust in a situation where you're talking about winning right off the bat, it's going to be a little more complex for him. But I think eventually he's going to groom himself into an individual that's going to do a better than average job at it."

Sounds like the exact situation that we've all been wary of from the start.

[Powdered Toast Man]

The Hawk didn't really slather his good buddy Ryno with effusive praise, did he?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0831-cubs-bits--20100830,0,3889520.story

"I'm still kind of amazed that he wants to do it at this level," Dawson said. "It's different at the minor-league level when you're doing a little bit more evaluating and you're working with the kids and you're trying to get them to the next level. Here it's egos, attitudes, business and you're under the microscope a little bit more. Ryno, I never envisioned that as a player. He was a little bit more laid-back, quiet ...

"Maybe there's a different animal now that surfaced. But I wish him well. Anyone who wants to take that on, who wants that challenge, I really wish him the best. I think he'd do a good job at it. He's respected in that manner. He played the game the way he was supposed to play the game. He knows how to win the respect of his peers, of the players he'd be above.

"So I think he'd do very well at it, but initially if he's thrust in a situation where you're talking about winning right off the bat, it's going to be a little more complex for him. But I think eventually he's going to groom himself into an individual that's going to do a better than average job at it."

Sounds like the exact situation that we've all been wary of from the start.

BETTER THAN AVERAGE!

[Bort]

The Hawk didn't really slather his good buddy Ryno with effusive praise, did he?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0831-cubs-bits--20100830,0,3889520.story

"I'm still kind of amazed that he wants to do it at this level," Dawson said. "It's different at the minor-league level when you're doing a little bit more evaluating and you're working with the kids and you're trying to get them to the next level. Here it's egos, attitudes, business and you're under the microscope a little bit more. Ryno, I never envisioned that as a player. He was a little bit more laid-back, quiet ...

"Maybe there's a different animal now that surfaced. But I wish him well. Anyone who wants to take that on, who wants that challenge, I really wish him the best. I think he'd do a good job at it. He's respected in that manner. He played the game the way he was supposed to play the game. He knows how to win the respect of his peers, of the players he'd be above.

"So I think he'd do very well at it, but initially if he's thrust in a situation where you're talking about winning right off the bat, it's going to be a little more complex for him. But I think eventually he's going to groom himself into an individual that's going to do a better than average job at it."

Sounds like the exact situation that we've all been wary of from the start.

BETTER THAN AVERAGE!

I'm just glad to learn that Ryno played the game the way it was meant to be played. I've always hoped that was true, but no one could ever confirm it by mentioning it every time his time as a player is discussed.

[Internet Apex]

The Hawk didn't really slather his good buddy Ryno with effusive praise, did he?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0831-cubs-bits--20100830,0,3889520.story

"I'm still kind of amazed that he wants to do it at this level," Dawson said. "It's different at the minor-league level when you're doing a little bit more evaluating and you're working with the kids and you're trying to get them to the next level. Here it's egos, attitudes, business and you're under the microscope a little bit more. Ryno, I never envisioned that as a player. He was a little bit more laid-back, quiet ...

"Maybe there's a different animal now that surfaced. But I wish him well. Anyone who wants to take that on, who wants that challenge, I really wish him the best. I think he'd do a good job at it. He's respected in that manner. He played the game the way he was supposed to play the game. He knows how to win the respect of his peers, of the players he'd be above.

"So I think he'd do very well at it, but initially if he's thrust in a situation where you're talking about winning right off the bat, it's going to be a little more complex for him. But I think eventually he's going to groom himself into an individual that's going to do a better than average job at it."

Sounds like the exact situation that we've all been wary of from the start.

BETTER THAN AVERAGE!

I'm just glad to learn that Ryno played the game the way it was meant to be played. I've always hoped that was true, but no one could ever confirm it by mentioning it every time his time as a player is discussed.

I remember when he hit two game-tying homers off of Bruce Sutter when NOBODY was doing that to Bruce Sutter. That is winning baseball the Ryne Sandberg way. If he can bring that element to the Cubs then I say sign him up to a lifetime contract. Just hand him a blank contract and let him write up the details and the fine print. Let his lawyers get buck nutty on the thing and hand it back to Hendry. You can't put a price on that kind of excellence in baseball playing correctness.

[Powdered Toast Man]

I really wish someone would challenge this "playing the game the correct way."  Look, I know we poke fun at it whenever it's mentioned.  I don't know what "baseball playing correctness" translates for everyone here, but to me it means tha the player genuinely desires to do everything in his power to play the game in such a way (I know, I don't really know what that means) that makes his team better.  Practicing bunting.  Running out routine grounders.  Using your nonglove hand to assist in catching fly balls.  Diving.  Dirtying up a uniform.  Grit.  Determination.  Flipping your flip shades down when the ball is hit in the air for crying out loud.  Studying the opposing players and away parks.

All those things are played up by commentators and talking heads and downplayed by douchebag, mom's basement statatron types.  Certainly there's something admirable about those so called "intangibles".  That doesn't really make Ryne Sandberg a great baseball player or manager.  It makes him a more focused and dedicated player or manager and definitely gives him an edge, but it doesn't mean it's the be all and end all.

Why can't people just say that he fills a lineup card okay and plays the best players, doesn't run his starters into the ground and happens to get along with most the guys on the team?  That's really all managing is, right?  So easy even a caveman can do it?

Anyway, maybe I'm out of line.  It's football season, after all.

[Yeti]

I really wish someone would challenge this "playing the game the correct way."  Look, I know we poke fun at it whenever it's mentioned.  I don't know what "baseball playing correctness" translates for everyone here, but to me it means tha the player genuinely desires to do everything in his power to play the game in such a way (I know, I don't really know what that means) that makes his team better.  Practicing bunting.  Running out routine grounders.  Using your nonglove hand to assist in catching fly balls.  Diving.  Dirtying up a uniform.  Grit.  Determination.  Flipping your flip shades down when the ball is hit in the air for crying out loud.  Studying the opposing players and away parks.

All those things are played up by commentators and talking heads and downplayed by douchebag, mom's basement statatron types.  Certainly there's something admirable about those so called "intangibles".  That doesn't really make Ryne Sandberg a great baseball player or manager.  It makes him a more focused and dedicated player or manager and definitely gives him an edge, but it doesn't mean it's the be all and end all.

Why can't people just say that he fills a lineup card okay and plays the best players, doesn't run his starters into the ground and happens to get along with most the guys on the team?  That's really all managing is, right?  So easy even a caveman can do it?

Anyway, maybe I'm out of line.  It's football season, after all.

I, er, would like to kind of endorse this post

[Canadouche]

Two questions.

1. Does anybody think that the Cubs can possibly win a World Championship so long as Jim Hendry helms the organization?

2. If the answer to #1 is "hellz no," and if Hendry is indeed returning for 2011 -- and, Christ, possibly beyond -- does his choice of manager actually matter?

Therefore, it might as well be Ryne Sandberg.  It'll deceive Cub fans into a temporary state of happiness, right up until the continued shitty play of the club turns us against the greatest second baseman to ever wear a Cubs uniform. 

Of course, I'm talking about Glenn Beckert. 

[CubFaninHydePark]

I really wish someone would challenge this "playing the game the correct way."  Look, I know we poke fun at it whenever it's mentioned.  I don't know what "baseball playing correctness" translates for everyone here...

To me it means playing NOT like Ryan Theriot.