The All-Purpose No Bullshit Tolerating Who Should Be the Next Manager Thread

[Eli]

There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there. 

I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.

Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.

Ok.

Did you have anything else to add?

I figured I'd follow your lead.

I'm still unclear what you found objectionable in my post, but I apologize if I offended you somehow.

[Chuck to Chuck]

There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there. 

I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.

Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.

I think in the postseason the manager makes a much bigger impact.

What BH said. Also if you think Maddon is even SLIGHTLY better than Renteria, you should be in favor of this move. Every advantage counts and it's not my money.

No, but it's Ricketts' money and he has a limited amount to spend on the team.

The limit's increasing. #jumbotron

[R-V]

There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there. 

I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.

Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.

I think in the postseason the manager makes a much bigger impact.

What BH said. Also if you think Maddon is even SLIGHTLY better than Renteria, you should be in favor of this move. Every advantage counts and it's not my money.

No, but it's Ricketts' money and he has a limited amount to spend on the team.

Yes it's a totally inexact science - but hasn't the cost of a win generally been estimated at around $6 M over the last few years? Let's say Theo & Jed think he's worth an additional win per year - signing Maddon for 5 years/$25 M may well be a better investment than signing a free agent projected to be worth a win per year for 5/$25. I would think managerial skills are much less subject to year-to-year performance variance or injury risk (other than Clint Hurdle's balky hip).

[Eli]

Yes it's a totally inexact science - but hasn't the cost of a win generally been estimated at around $6 M over the last few years? Let's say Theo & Jed think he's worth an additional win per year - signing Maddon for 5 years/$25 M may well be a better investment than signing a free agent projected to be worth a win per year for 5/$25. I would think managerial skills are much less subject to year-to-year performance variance or injury risk (other than Clint Hurdle's balky hip).

Totally possible.

[Quality Start Machine]

There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.  

I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.

Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.

I think in the postseason the manager makes a much bigger impact.

What BH said. Also if you think Maddon is even SLIGHTLY better than Renteria, you should be in favor of this move. Every advantage counts and it's not my money.

No, but it's Ricketts' money and he has a limited amount to spend on the team.

Based upon how many people have suddenly had their numbers come up for season tickets (myself included, just today - and at least one other Desipiot this fall), the Cubs seem to be interested in giving their revenue stream a big boost - get STHs in now, then see how many hang in there while ticket prices skyrocket once the team gets good.

EDIT: They still don't have a TV contract for next season, do they?

[thehawk]

There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.  

I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.

Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.

I think in the postseason the manager makes a much bigger impact.

What BH said. Also if you think Maddon is even SLIGHTLY better than Renteria, you should be in favor of this move. Every advantage counts and it's not my money.

No, but it's Ricketts' money and he has a limited amount to spend on the team.

Based upon how many people have suddenly had their numbers come up for season tickets (myself included, just today - and at least one other Desipiot this fall), the Cubs seem to be interested in giving their revenue stream a big boost - get STHs in now, then see how many hang in there while ticket prices skyrocket once the team gets good.

EDIT: They still don't have a TV contract for next season, do they?

They do not- they are hoping to have it wrapped up by December.

[Quality Start Machine]

There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.  

I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.

Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.

I think in the postseason the manager makes a much bigger impact.

What BH said. Also if you think Maddon is even SLIGHTLY better than Renteria, you should be in favor of this move. Every advantage counts and it's not my money.

No, but it's Ricketts' money and he has a limited amount to spend on the team.

Based upon how many people have suddenly had their numbers come up for season tickets (myself included, just today - and at least one other Desipiot this fall), the Cubs seem to be interested in giving their revenue stream a big boost - get STHs in now, then see how many hang in there while ticket prices skyrocket once the team gets good.

EDIT: They still don't have a TV contract for next season, do they?

They do not- they are hoping to have it wrapped up by December.

So this will give them another nice revenue bump until both this contract and the Comcast one expire in 5 years, when they launch CubsNet or whatever they decide to call it.

[Saul Goodman]

(IF the Cubs get Maddon): I wish I knew more about Smilin' Rick to say, but I wonder if he'd like a chance to work with Joe Maddon and could be talked into being his bench coach or a special assistant to Jed or Theo or something.  That way he'd still be around to work with guys like Castro, Soler, Baez, but they could also still hire Joe.  Renteria would be completely within his rights to say screw you guys and take the money, but I wonder if he'd have any interest in staying.

[Slaky]

Can we talk about the idea of Ozzie Guillen on the Cubs' staff?

I kind of love it.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

Can we talk about the idea of Ozzie Guillen on the Cubs' staff?

I kind of love it.

I don't really hate Ozzie.

Objectively, as a manager, I kept thinking he was a gritty flat-earther but regardless of how I felt about his style, his teams seemed to consistently outperform their projections.  And though it's not really a quantifiable asset, it seemed he did a good job of deflecting attention away from his players when the going go rough.  Marc Trestman's mealy-mouthed weenie-ism in the face of everything going to shit is making me long for such insanity.

All that said, I don't know how any of this would pertain to his role as a possible bench coach.  For entertainment purposes, though, sure--why not?

[InternetApex]

Can we talk about the idea of Ozzie Guillen on the Cubs' staff?

I kind of love it.

I don't really hate Ozzie.

Objectively, as a manager, I kept thinking he was a gritty flat-earther but regardless of how I felt about his style, his teams seemed to consistently outperform their projections.  And though it's not really a quantifiable asset, it seemed he did a good job of deflecting attention away from his players when the going go rough.  Marc Trestman's mealy-mouthed weenie-ism in the face of everything going to shit is making me long for such insanity.

All that said, I don't know how any of this would pertain to his role as a possible bench coach.  For entertainment purposes, though, sure--why not?

I don't know what actual good can come out of it but the possible harm that he could cause by getting behind a microphone on air for any amount of time would seem to outweigh any benefit. Why invite that on purpose?

[Slaky]

Can we talk about the idea of Ozzie Guillen on the Cubs' staff?

I kind of love it.

I don't really hate Ozzie.

Objectively, as a manager, I kept thinking he was a gritty flat-earther but regardless of how I felt about his style, his teams seemed to consistently outperform their projections.  And though it's not really a quantifiable asset, it seemed he did a good job of deflecting attention away from his players when the going go rough.  Marc Trestman's mealy-mouthed weenie-ism in the face of everything going to shit is making me long for such insanity.

All that said, I don't know how any of this would pertain to his role as a possible bench coach.  For entertainment purposes, though, sure--why not?

I don't know what actual good can come out of it but the possible harm that he could cause by getting behind a microphone on air for any amount of time would seem to outweigh any benefit. Why invite that on purpose?

I enjoy the idea of Sox fans getting physically sick every time they see him in that uniform.

[Bort]

Slak just beat me to the punch.

[InternetApex]

Yeah, I don't give enough of a shit about the White Sox to care what their fans think about the Cubs bench coach. I'm not saying it's a horrible move. It's just that there is considerable risk and the media would be all over it trying to pry something out of Ozzie as soon as the team hits a rough patch. That would fire up the meatballs you're hoping to see in physical agony. I'm out on Ozzie.

[Eli]

Yeah, I don't give enough of a shit about the White Sox to care what their fans think about the Cubs bench coach. I'm not saying it's a horrible move. It's just that there is considerable risk and the media would be all over it trying to pry something out of Ozzie as soon as the team hits a rough patch. That would fire up the meatballs you're hoping to see in physical agony. I'm out on Ozzie.