Inception SPOILERS

[R-V]

This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.

He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.

[Yeti]

This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.

He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.

This works for me. Are you sure though? How long was he gone? That top wasn't spinning completely stable. It had a look that it would fall down. That said, I don't know if I've waited in anticipation for something to happen at the end of a movie like that.

[Quality Start Machine]

Norman Bates was his own mother.

[R-V]

This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.

He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.

This works for me. Are you sure though? How long was he gone? That top wasn't spinning completely stable. It had a look that it would fall down. That said, I don't know if I've waited in anticipation for something to happen at the end of a movie like that.

I don't remember the length of his exile being explicitly mentioned (I'm sure it wasn't to maintain the ambiguity) but it seamed like he had been on the run for at least a year or so. From what I hear, those little bastards sprout up quite quickly.

The whole movie wasn't a dream though. In the scene in his apartment/hotel room where he talked to the kids on the phone, the top fell over, right?

On a general note, jebus that movie was intense. I was on the edge of my seat pretty much from the point they all went into the chemist's level 1 dream until the end.

[Canadouche]

This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.

He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.

This works for me. Are you sure though? How long was he gone? That top wasn't spinning completely stable. It had a look that it would fall down. That said, I don't know if I've waited in anticipation for something to happen at the end of a movie like that.

I don't remember the length of his exile being explicitly mentioned (I'm sure it wasn't to maintain the ambiguity) but it seamed like he had been on the run for at least a year or so. From what I hear, those little bastards sprout up quite quickly.

The whole movie wasn't a dream though. In the scene in his apartment/hotel room where he talked to the kids on the phone, the top fell over, right?

On a general note, jebus that movie was intense. I was on the edge of my seat pretty much from the point they all went into the chemist's level 1 dream until the end.

I also noticed the kids hadn't aged, but the top sure did sound like it was starting to wobble...

I have one story flaw question.  In the first dream level (the raining city), they're supposed to "jump" awake when the van goes off the bridge -- only, they don't because they're all asleep in the hotel.  Except 3rd Rock wasn't asleep -- shouldn't he have "jumped" and woken up when the van went off the bridge, leaving the others stuck in the snow fortress?

(My only thought to contradict that is to say that he's an experienced dreamer ... maybe he can force himself to ignore the jump)

[Yeti]

This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.

He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.

This works for me. Are you sure though? How long was he gone? That top wasn't spinning completely stable. It had a look that it would fall down. That said, I don't know if I've waited in anticipation for something to happen at the end of a movie like that.

I don't remember the length of his exile being explicitly mentioned (I'm sure it wasn't to maintain the ambiguity) but it seamed like he had been on the run for at least a year or so. From what I hear, those little bastards sprout up quite quickly.

The whole movie wasn't a dream though. In the scene in his apartment/hotel room where he talked to the kids on the phone, the top fell over, right?

On a general note, jebus that movie was intense. I was on the edge of my seat pretty much from the point they all went into the chemist's level 1 dream until the end.

True. I could go with a year gone. Kids do grow on occasions.

The top did fall over.

And, yea it was as intense as dick.

Now, to my thoughts on times in dreams. This movie seemed to coincide with my theory about how time works in dreams. Mine goes a step further. I base most of my thoughts on this from one experience about 4-6 years ago. I was at my grandparents house sleeping a little during the day. Someone was carrying a box and dropped it on the ground which woke me up when it hit. Well, in my dream, I was apparently sitting against the wall, talking to someone in our high school gym. The thing that "woke" me in the dream was that a basketball hit the wall right above our heads at the same time the box hit the ground, at least it was my perception. I surmised that the box hit the ground, my mind heard the sound, and since I was in my dream, my mind created a scenario in which a dream would coincide with what happened in the world around me. This whole experience had to take milliseconds to occur.

I did read some things saying that dreams occur at the same speed as real time. So, that could contend with my theory, but I found it interesting that Inception went a similar route with time in dreams.

Also, SEAM

I have one story flaw question.  In the first dream level (the raining city), they're supposed to "jump" awake when the van goes off the bridge -- only, they don't because they're all asleep in the hotel.  Except 3rd Rock wasn't asleep -- shouldn't he have "jumped" and woken up when the van went off the bridge, leaving the others stuck in the snow fortress?

I don't think the "jump" in the van was going off the bridge, it was hitting the water. Going off the bridge gave them a time frame to go with for each subsequent dream level.

[Eli]

OK, I take back my appendix comment about TDubbs.  I really want him to show up in this thread.

[R-V]

This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.

He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.

This works for me. Are you sure though? How long was he gone? That top wasn't spinning completely stable. It had a look that it would fall down. That said, I don't know if I've waited in anticipation for something to happen at the end of a movie like that.

I don't remember the length of his exile being explicitly mentioned (I'm sure it wasn't to maintain the ambiguity) but it seamed like he had been on the run for at least a year or so. From what I hear, those little bastards sprout up quite quickly.

The whole movie wasn't a dream though. In the scene in his apartment/hotel room where he talked to the kids on the phone, the top fell over, right?

On a general note, jebus that movie was intense. I was on the edge of my seat pretty much from the point they all went into the chemist's level 1 dream until the end.

True. I could go with a year gone. Kids do grow on occasions.

The top did fall over.

And, yea it was as intense as dick.

Now, to my thoughts on times in dreams. This movie seemed to coincide with my theory about how time works in dreams. Mine goes a step further. I base most of my thoughts on this from one experience about 4-6 years ago. I was at my grandparents house sleeping a little during the day. Someone was carrying a box and dropped it on the ground which woke me up when it hit. Well, in my dream, I was apparently sitting against the wall, talking to someone in our high school gym. The thing that "woke" me in the dream was that a basketball hit the wall right above our heads at the same time the box hit the ground, at least it was my perception. I surmised that the box hit the ground, my mind heard the sound, and since I was in my dream, my mind created a scenario in which a dream would coincide with what happened in the world around me. This whole experience had to take milliseconds to occur.

I did read some things saying that dreams occur at the same speed as real time. So, that could contend with my theory, but I found it interesting that Inception went a similar route with time in dreams.

Also, SEAM

I have one story flaw question.  In the first dream level (the raining city), they're supposed to "jump" awake when the van goes off the bridge -- only, they don't because they're all asleep in the hotel.  Except 3rd Rock wasn't asleep -- shouldn't he have "jumped" and woken up when the van went off the bridge, leaving the others stuck in the snow fortress?

I don't think the "jump" in the van was going off the bridge, it was hitting the water. Going off the bridge gave them a time frame to go with for each subsequent dream level.

As I understood it, in a normal dream state, you just need a jump in the dream to wake you up. So, the jump of the van falling off the bridge would suffice.

In the highly-sedated-for-triple-dreaming state the gang was in, they needed simultaneous jumps in both level 1 (the chemist's dream - the raining city) and level 2 (Arthur's dream - the hotel). There was talk in the hotel that they "missed" the first jump - because Arthur was occupied with the hitmen, he wasn't able to set the charges to sync up with the van falling off the bridge. So he had to wait for the 2nd level 1 jump (the van hitting the water) to do the anti-gravity exploding elevator thing.

[Canadouche]

This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.

He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.

This works for me. Are you sure though? How long was he gone? That top wasn't spinning completely stable. It had a look that it would fall down. That said, I don't know if I've waited in anticipation for something to happen at the end of a movie like that.

I don't remember the length of his exile being explicitly mentioned (I'm sure it wasn't to maintain the ambiguity) but it seamed like he had been on the run for at least a year or so. From what I hear, those little bastards sprout up quite quickly.

The whole movie wasn't a dream though. In the scene in his apartment/hotel room where he talked to the kids on the phone, the top fell over, right?

On a general note, jebus that movie was intense. I was on the edge of my seat pretty much from the point they all went into the chemist's level 1 dream until the end.

True. I could go with a year gone. Kids do grow on occasions.

The top did fall over.

And, yea it was as intense as dick.

Now, to my thoughts on times in dreams. This movie seemed to coincide with my theory about how time works in dreams. Mine goes a step further. I base most of my thoughts on this from one experience about 4-6 years ago. I was at my grandparents house sleeping a little during the day. Someone was carrying a box and dropped it on the ground which woke me up when it hit. Well, in my dream, I was apparently sitting against the wall, talking to someone in our high school gym. The thing that "woke" me in the dream was that a basketball hit the wall right above our heads at the same time the box hit the ground, at least it was my perception. I surmised that the box hit the ground, my mind heard the sound, and since I was in my dream, my mind created a scenario in which a dream would coincide with what happened in the world around me. This whole experience had to take milliseconds to occur.

I did read some things saying that dreams occur at the same speed as real time. So, that could contend with my theory, but I found it interesting that Inception went a similar route with time in dreams.

Also, SEAM

I have one story flaw question.  In the first dream level (the raining city), they're supposed to "jump" awake when the van goes off the bridge -- only, they don't because they're all asleep in the hotel.  Except 3rd Rock wasn't asleep -- shouldn't he have "jumped" and woken up when the van went off the bridge, leaving the others stuck in the snow fortress?

I don't think the "jump" in the van was going off the bridge, it was hitting the water. Going off the bridge gave them a time frame to go with for each subsequent dream level.

As I understood it, in a normal dream state, you just need a jump in the dream to wake you up. So, the jump of the van falling off the bridge would suffice.

In the highly-sedated-for-triple-dreaming state the gang was in, they needed simultaneous jumps in both level 1 (the chemist's dream - the raining city) and level 2 (Arthur's dream - the hotel). There was talk in the hotel that they "missed" the first jump - because Arthur was occupied with the hitmen, he wasn't able to set the charges to sync up with the van falling off the bridge. So he had to wait for the 2nd level 1 jump (the van hitting the water) to do the anti-gravity exploding elevator thing.

So, for clarification ... even tho Arthur wasn't sedated in the hotel, he still needed a jump there AND in the van to wake up?

I can buy that. 

[R-V]

So, for clarification ... even tho Arthur wasn't sedated in the hotel, he still needed a jump there AND in the van to wake up?

I can buy that. 

I see what you're saying now - you're right that the first jump should have worked for him, unless he was able to choose to ignore it. This kinda makes sense:

First off, if you remember what happened to Cobb early in the film, the kick did not take until he hit the water. Second, I'd like to think these guys — especially Arthur, Cobb and Eames — are so good they can ignore a kick if they absolutely need to do so. Third, if a kick comes during a strenuous situation such as combat where the actual dreamer is preoccupied, does that situation supersede the kick? If it is your dream do you have more control over the kick? I personally think the kick comes when the van hits the water, not when it drives off the bridge. I think people took the chair example when Eames was playing around a little too literally as a "rule." I tend to roll with earlier in the film when Cobb did not leave the dream until when in the level above his body was fully submerged into water and the kick was fully initiated.

And this was the one plot hole that bothered me:

The only huge hole I saw in the film? How did Robert Fischer Jr. not recognize Saito, a fellow billionaire and the head honcho of a powerful rival energy company? You'd think that even three levels down in the dream he'd recognize an adversary willing to hire an international fugitive to plant an idea inside his subconscious in order to bring down his company.

[CT III]

http://deadspin.com/5591007/inception-was-great-now-please-stop-talking-about-it-assholes

[Eli]

http://deadspin.com/5591007/inception-was-great-now-please-stop-talking-about-it-assholes

Drew Magary does the same thing in every article he writes, and I still find it absolutely hilarious, no matter how many times I read him. 

[MAD]

Drew Magary may be the funniest motherfucker on the interwebs.

[R-V]

Drew Magary may be the funniest motherfucker on the interwebs.

His funbags have entertained me through many a work poop.

[MAD]

Drew Magary may be the funniest motherfucker on the interwebs.

His funbags have entertained me through many a work poop.

Totally.  Now that I have my own printer I can print this stuff out and not worry about someone else beating me to the shared printer and then reporting me to HR.  I read his funbag on the throne every week now.