Desipio 2011 Fantasy Baseball Keeper League Smorgasborgasm

[J. Walter Weatherman]

Mora has a decent chance to provide .275/10 HR/75 RBI with three-position eligibility since he's starting for the D-Backs. IMO, I think that's a good bench option.

Some 2011 projections:

             R    HR  RBI  SB    AVG
Marcel       45   10   52   3   .262
Bill James   43    8   45   2   .265
ZiPS         36    6   41   2   .258
CAIRO        51   10   62   3   .267
PECOTA       60   11   55   5   .259

So, you're targeting a 39-year-old's "upside"?

As for the Beltran thing... One of the other players is from New York originally and likes the Mets. I figured I could get him in a bidding war for Beltran and maybe get him to spend $10. Well, right before one of my nominations, another player nominated Bay. The guy from NY ended up spending $9 on Bay... I then figured that the $10 for Beltran was a pipe dream, but I could probably still get him to $7 or $8. I nominated Beltran at $1, the guy bid $3, and I went to $5. The other guy then said "You can have him" or something to that effect, and nobody else bid.

It stands to reason that a Mets fan could well be sicker of Beltran than anyone else.

[Oleg]

Mora has a decent chance to provide .275/10 HR/75 RBI with three-position eligibility since he's starting for the D-Backs. IMO, I think that's a good bench option.

Some 2011 projections:

             R    HR  RBI  SB    AVG
Marcel       45   10   52   3   .262
Bill James   43    8   45   2   .265
ZiPS         36    6   41   2   .258
CAIRO        51   10   62   3   .267
PECOTA       60   11   55   5   .259

So, you're targeting a 39-year-old's "upside"?

As for the Beltran thing... One of the other players is from New York originally and likes the Mets. I figured I could get him in a bidding war for Beltran and maybe get him to spend $10. Well, right before one of my nominations, another player nominated Bay. The guy from NY ended up spending $9 on Bay... I then figured that the $10 for Beltran was a pipe dream, but I could probably still get him to $7 or $8. I nominated Beltran at $1, the guy bid $3, and I went to $5. The other guy then said "You can have him" or something to that effect, and nobody else bid.

It stands to reason that a Mets fan could well be sicker of Beltran than anyone else.

PECOTA is back to forecasting RBI, huh?  Or did they go back last year and I missed it?

[PenPho]

All right, I'm in three leagues this year. To show my fantasy baseball greatness, err, ineptitude... Here are my rosters, just wondering what folks may think about my teams.

Desipio League, All MLB, 14 teams, normal draft

C    J.P. Arencibia (Tor - C)
1B    Aubrey Huff (SF - 1B,LF,RF)
2B    Ben Zobrist (TB - 1B,2B,CF,RF)
3B    Martín Prado (Atl - 2B,3B)
SS    Hanley Ramírez (Fla - SS)
LF    Jose Tabata (Pit - LF,CF)
CF    Colby Rasmus (StL - CF)
RF    Jason Heyward (Atl - RF)
Util    Adam Dunn (CWS - 1B)
SP    Matt Cain (SF - SP)
SP    Phil Hughes (NYY - SP)
SP    Brett Anderson (Oak - SP)
RP    Leo Núñez (Fla - RP)
RP    Matt Capps (Min - RP)
P    Bud Norris (Hou - SP)
P    Aroldis Chapman (Cin - RP)
P    Wandy Rodríguez (Hou - SP)
P    Randy Wolf (Mil - SP)
P    Aaron Harang (SD - SP)
BN    Freddie Freeman (Atl - 1B)
BN    Domonic Brown (Phi - RF)
BN    Skip Schumaker (StL - 2B,RF)
BN    Brett Wallace (Hou - 1B)
BN    Brett Jackson (ChC - CF) NA
BN    Jason Vargas (Sea - SP)

MVP League, All MLB, 16 teams, normal draft

C    J.P. Arencibia (Tor - C)
1B    Aubrey Huff (SF - 1B,OF)
2B    Ben Zobrist (TB - 1B,2B,OF)
3B    Ryan Zimmerman (Was - 3B)
SS    Mike Aviles (KC - 2B,SS)
OF    Adam Jones (Bal - OF)
OF    Jason Heyward (Atl - OF)
OF    Colby Rasmus (StL - OF)
Util    Jose Tabata (Pit - OF)
SP    Félix Hernández (Sea - SP)
SP    Ted Lilly (LAD - SP)
SP    Jorge De La Rosa (Col - SP)
SP    Bud Norris (Hou - SP)
RP    Carlos Mármol (ChC - RP)
RP    Joakim Soria (KC - RP)
RP    José Valverde (Det - RP)
P    Frank Francisco (Tor - RP)
BN    Juan Uribe (LAD - 2B,3B,SS)
BN    Kila Ka'aihue (KC - 1B)
BN    Cameron Maybin (SD - OF)
BN    Melvin Mora (Ari - 1B,2B,3B)
BN    Randy Wolf (Mil - SP)
BN    Kyle McClellan (StL - RP)
BN    Phil Coke (Det - RP)

NL-Only League, NL-only, 10 teams, Auction draft

*** Note on this league: At the start of the auction, you have $100, but can keep four players from the previous year for $25, three for $18, two for $11 or one for $5. If a keeper moves to the AL, then you are allowed to keep him for up to two years. So, that's how I have Adam Dunn on my team even though he's now in the AL.

C    Ryan Doumit ($5)
1B    Adam Dunn (Keeper)
2B    Chase Utley (Keeper)
3B    Ryan Zimmerman (Keeper)
SS    Ryan Theriot ($1)
OF    Carlos Beltran ($5)
OF    Jason Heyward ($14)
OF    Jose Tabata ($10)
Util    Omar Infante ($5)
SP    Matt Cain (Keeper)
SP    Ted Lilly ($3)
SP    Bud Norris ($3)
SP    Randy Wolf ($1)
SP    Jake Westbrook ($2)
RP    Carlos Mármol ($11)
RP    Kerry Wood ($4)
BN    Cameron Maybin ($2)
BN    Melvin Mora ($3)
BN    Bill Hall ($2)
BN    Kosuke Fukudome ($2)
BN    Kyle McClellan ($1)
BN    Randy Wells ($1)

Just a question on one thing here....

You have Adam Dunn on your NL-only league for the slim chance that he gets traded BACK to the NL in the next 2 years even though he just signed a 4-year deal?

You're not only using a roster spot for him but you also have him listed as your 1B (and it doesn't appear you have any other eligible first basemen).

So does this mean that you get to actually use his stats in an NL-only league?

[Internet Apex]

All right, I'm in three leagues this year. To show my fantasy baseball greatness, err, ineptitude... Here are my rosters, just wondering what folks may think about my teams.

Desipio League, All MLB, 14 teams, normal draft

C    J.P. Arencibia (Tor - C)
1B    Aubrey Huff (SF - 1B,LF,RF)
2B    Ben Zobrist (TB - 1B,2B,CF,RF)
3B    Martín Prado (Atl - 2B,3B)
SS    Hanley Ramírez (Fla - SS)
LF    Jose Tabata (Pit - LF,CF)
CF    Colby Rasmus (StL - CF)
RF    Jason Heyward (Atl - RF)
Util    Adam Dunn (CWS - 1B)
SP    Matt Cain (SF - SP)
SP    Phil Hughes (NYY - SP)
SP    Brett Anderson (Oak - SP)
RP    Leo Núñez (Fla - RP)
RP    Matt Capps (Min - RP)
P    Bud Norris (Hou - SP)
P    Aroldis Chapman (Cin - RP)
P    Wandy Rodríguez (Hou - SP)
P    Randy Wolf (Mil - SP)
P    Aaron Harang (SD - SP)
BN    Freddie Freeman (Atl - 1B)
BN    Domonic Brown (Phi - RF)
BN    Skip Schumaker (StL - 2B,RF)
BN    Brett Wallace (Hou - 1B)
BN    Brett Jackson (ChC - CF) NA
BN    Jason Vargas (Sea - SP)

MVP League, All MLB, 16 teams, normal draft

C    J.P. Arencibia (Tor - C)
1B    Aubrey Huff (SF - 1B,OF)
2B    Ben Zobrist (TB - 1B,2B,OF)
3B    Ryan Zimmerman (Was - 3B)
SS    Mike Aviles (KC - 2B,SS)
OF    Adam Jones (Bal - OF)
OF    Jason Heyward (Atl - OF)
OF    Colby Rasmus (StL - OF)
Util    Jose Tabata (Pit - OF)
SP    Félix Hernández (Sea - SP)
SP    Ted Lilly (LAD - SP)
SP    Jorge De La Rosa (Col - SP)
SP    Bud Norris (Hou - SP)
RP    Carlos Mármol (ChC - RP)
RP    Joakim Soria (KC - RP)
RP    José Valverde (Det - RP)
P    Frank Francisco (Tor - RP)
BN    Juan Uribe (LAD - 2B,3B,SS)
BN    Kila Ka'aihue (KC - 1B)
BN    Cameron Maybin (SD - OF)
BN    Melvin Mora (Ari - 1B,2B,3B)
BN    Randy Wolf (Mil - SP)
BN    Kyle McClellan (StL - RP)
BN    Phil Coke (Det - RP)

NL-Only League, NL-only, 10 teams, Auction draft

*** Note on this league: At the start of the auction, you have $100, but can keep four players from the previous year for $25, three for $18, two for $11 or one for $5. If a keeper moves to the AL, then you are allowed to keep him for up to two years. So, that's how I have Adam Dunn on my team even though he's now in the AL.

C    Ryan Doumit ($5)
1B    Adam Dunn (Keeper)
2B    Chase Utley (Keeper)
3B    Ryan Zimmerman (Keeper)
SS    Ryan Theriot ($1)
OF    Carlos Beltran ($5)
OF    Jason Heyward ($14)
OF    Jose Tabata ($10)
Util    Omar Infante ($5)
SP    Matt Cain (Keeper)
SP    Ted Lilly ($3)
SP    Bud Norris ($3)
SP    Randy Wolf ($1)
SP    Jake Westbrook ($2)
RP    Carlos Mármol ($11)
RP    Kerry Wood ($4)
BN    Cameron Maybin ($2)
BN    Melvin Mora ($3)
BN    Bill Hall ($2)
BN    Kosuke Fukudome ($2)
BN    Kyle McClellan ($1)
BN    Randy Wells ($1)

Just a question on one thing here....

You have Adam Dunn on your NL-only league for the slim chance that he gets traded BACK to the NL in the next 2 years even though he just signed a 4-year deal?

You're not only using a roster spot for him but you also have him listed as your 1B (and it doesn't appear you have any other eligible first basemen).

So does this mean that you get to actually use his stats in an NL-only league?

Good point, Pen. But you fail to call into account:

[J. Walter Weatherman]

PECOTA is back to forecasting RBI, huh?  Or did they go back last year and I missed it?

Google is showing me discussions of PECOTA's RBI projections every year back to at least 2004.

Perhaps they don't project RBI in the print edition, but it looks to me like they've at least included those stats in later updates from the very beginning.

[Eli]

I nominated Beltran at $1, the guy bid $3, and I went to $5. The other guy then said "You can have him" or something to that effect, and nobody else bid.

Everything you say makes me feel sad.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

Everything you say makes me feel sad.

http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/TtoEtoC/481968

[Eli]

Everything you say makes me feel sad.

http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/TtoEtoC/481968

That's some high quality stuff right there.  Wow.

[Internet Apex]

Everything you say makes me feel sad.

http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/TtoEtoC/481968

That's some high quality stuff right there.  Wow.

If TEC hooks up the Beltran draft saga in a strip, we might have some fodder for our official Tonkfest T-shirts.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

Everything you say makes me feel sad.

http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/TtoEtoC/481968

That's some high quality stuff right there.  Wow.

If TEC hooks up the Beltran draft saga in a strip, we might have some fodder for our official Tonkfest T-shirts.

http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/TtoEtoC/518015

[Slaky]

Everything you say makes me feel sad.

http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/TtoEtoC/481968

That's some high quality stuff right there.  Wow.

I chortled.

[BC]

I actually get to use Dunn's stats for this season, and next year too if I elect to use him as a keeper for 2012.

This league started in 2002, originally with just 8 guys and it was what I guess you guys would call a "pure" NL-only league. We added 2 more players after the 2003 season, and we had to replace 2 of the players just before this year's auction as 2 guys left the league. After 2003, we agreed that any rule change must be approved by 8 of the 10 players. During last off-season, Adrian Gonzalez's owner (Fearing an in-season trade to an AL team) suggested a rule change that if a player moves to the AL, then his owner could continue to use him through the keeper rule for as long as possible. That only got a couple votes. He then suggested 2 years, and that was approved 8-2. I personally voted against the change both times, since I wanted a chance at Gonzalez, but if the rule is there then I would be dumb not to utilize it when it would help my chances of winning.

[Gilgamesh]

This thread is quickly becoming worse than the "Yetti tries to sell an iPhone" thread.   And THAT'S saying something.

[Bort]

This thread is quickly becoming worse than the "Yetti tries to sell an iPhone" thread.   And THAT'S saying something.

Dude, the "Yetti Sells a Broken iPhone" thread is top-notch.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

I personally voted against the change both times, since I wanted a chance at Gonzalez...

Would have been better if you'd voted against this rule because it's fucking retarded.

(That said, at least now if Melvin Mora gets traded to an AL team you can still benefit from his age-40 and -41 seasons.)