NBA Hoop Thread (Non-Fro Dog Edition)

[Internet Apex]

Bernstein's days might be numbered.

I guess there a few generally valid points sprinkled in there, but this seems extraordinarily mean-spirited for no good reason.

THIS.

He opts for cartilage repair that requires a longer-term recovery, and then lacks the basic understanding of how that changes the team's title trajectory.

So he shouldn't have opted for the correct procedure?

No... he shouldn't complain that the team is going to remove the pieces that were put here to help him win now and replace them with pieces that might help when he is done recovering.

[flannj]

Bernstein's days might be numbered.

I guess there a few generally valid points sprinkled in there, but this seems extraordinarily mean-spirited for no good reason.

THIS.

He opts for cartilage repair that requires a longer-term recovery, and then lacks the basic understanding of how that changes the team's title trajectory.

So he shouldn't have opted for the correct procedure?

No... he shouldn't complain that the team is going to remove the pieces that were put here to help him win now and replace them with pieces that might help when he is done recovering.

So if he had the incorrect surgical procedure then he would have the right to complain?

[Internet Apex]

Bernstein's days might be numbered.

I guess there a few generally valid points sprinkled in there, but this seems extraordinarily mean-spirited for no good reason.

THIS.

He opts for cartilage repair that requires a longer-term recovery, and then lacks the basic understanding of how that changes the team's title trajectory.

So he shouldn't have opted for the correct procedure?

No... he shouldn't complain that the team is going to remove the pieces that were put here to help him win now and replace them with pieces that might help when he is done recovering.

So if he had the incorrect surgical procedure then he would have the right to complain?

Sort of. I mean, if he sacrificed his future for the good of this current group and they decided to dismantle it anyway, I think he'd have the right to be livid. But he understood what he was doing - that it was the right thing for his future - and that the payoff would be well down the road. So to complain (if that's what he did; I haven't seen anything concrete from him or a surrogate quote-wise) when the team makes decisions based on that same time frame is puzzling.

[flannj]

Bernstein's days might be numbered.

I guess there a few generally valid points sprinkled in there, but this seems extraordinarily mean-spirited for no good reason.

THIS.

He opts for cartilage repair that requires a longer-term recovery, and then lacks the basic understanding of how that changes the team's title trajectory.

So he shouldn't have opted for the correct procedure?

No... he shouldn't complain that the team is going to remove the pieces that were put here to help him win now and replace them with pieces that might help when he is done recovering.

So if he had the incorrect surgical procedure then he would have the right to complain?

Sort of. I mean, if he sacrificed his future for the good of this current group and they decided to dismantle it anyway, I think he'd have the right to be livid. But he understood what he was doing - that it was the right thing for his future - and that the payoff would be well down the road. So to complain (if that's what he did; I haven't seen anything concrete from him or a surrogate quote-wise) when the team makes decisions based on that same time frame is puzzling.

The question is... does he have the right to complain?

Making the correct surgical decision shouldn't play into it.

[Internet Apex]

Bernstein's days might be numbered.

I guess there a few generally valid points sprinkled in there, but this seems extraordinarily mean-spirited for no good reason.

THIS.

He opts for cartilage repair that requires a longer-term recovery, and then lacks the basic understanding of how that changes the team's title trajectory.

So he shouldn't have opted for the correct procedure?

No... he shouldn't complain that the team is going to remove the pieces that were put here to help him win now and replace them with pieces that might help when he is done recovering.

So if he had the incorrect surgical procedure then he would have the right to complain?

Sort of. I mean, if he sacrificed his future for the good of this current group and they decided to dismantle it anyway, I think he'd have the right to be livid. But he understood what he was doing - that it was the right thing for his future - and that the payoff would be well down the road. So to complain (if that's what he did; I haven't seen anything concrete from him or a surrogate quote-wise) when the team makes decisions based on that same time frame is puzzling.

The question is... does he have the right to complain?

Making the correct surgical decision shouldn't play into it.

Of course he has the right to complain. This is America, dammit. He also runs the risk of looking like a moron and alienating his employer.

His correct surgery decision plays into how his complaints are received because it shows that he is thinking longterm about his own well-being and thus should not be surprised or angry or say a word when the team does the same thing. They probably want him to think big picture since they've got so much invested in him because they know they're not ready to win whether he's there this spring or not.

I think he wants to compete for a championship as soon as he comes back from this injury. People thought, or at least hoped, that he was one of the best players in the NBA and dropping him back into the mix with the current Bulls - beleaguered, injury-riddled and flawed as they are - was enough to put them into contention with Indiana and Miami and whoever else from the West. From what we saw in 2010-11 and early this year, I wasn't seeing that. It could be that the Bulls see that as well and must make whatever moves they can in another direction. This didn't work. Rose can't stay healthy. The rest of the roster is not strong enough or young enough to build around.

So to complain when you're getting 30% of the salary cap for doing nothing but rehab is a bad look, as Bernstein writes - apparently at his mortal peril.

[BH]

Sounds like BJ Armstrong has some serious butthurt about not getting the GM gig.

[flannj]

Bernstein's days might be numbered.

I guess there a few generally valid points sprinkled in there, but this seems extraordinarily mean-spirited for no good reason.

THIS.

He opts for cartilage repair that requires a longer-term recovery, and then lacks the basic understanding of how that changes the team's title trajectory.

So he shouldn't have opted for the correct procedure?

No... he shouldn't complain that the team is going to remove the pieces that were put here to help him win now and replace them with pieces that might help when he is done recovering.

So if he had the incorrect surgical procedure then he would have the right to complain?

Sort of. I mean, if he sacrificed his future for the good of this current group and they decided to dismantle it anyway, I think he'd have the right to be livid. But he understood what he was doing - that it was the right thing for his future - and that the payoff would be well down the road. So to complain (if that's what he did; I haven't seen anything concrete from him or a surrogate quote-wise) when the team makes decisions based on that same time frame is puzzling.

The question is... does he have the right to complain?

Making the correct surgical decision shouldn't play into it.

It plays into it because it shows that he is thinking longterm about his own well-being and thus should not be surprised or angry or say a word when the team does the same thing. They probably want him to think big picture since they've got so much invested in him because they know they're not ready to win whether he's there this spring or not.

I think he wants to compete for a championship as soon as he comes back from this injury. People thought, or at least hoped, that he was one of the best players in the NBA and dropping him back into the mix with the current Bulls - beleaguered, injury-riddled and flawed as they are - was enough to put them into contention with Indiana and Miami and whoever else from the West. From what we saw in 2010-11 and early this year, I wasn't seeing that. It could be that the Bulls see that as well and must make whatever moves they can in another direction. This didn't work. Rose can't stay healthy. The rest of the roster is not strong enough or young enough to build around.

So to complain when you're getting 30% of the salary cap for doing nothing but rehab is a bad look, as Bernstein writes - apparently at his mortal peril.

I agree with you that he is better served by keeping his yap shut and I agree that nothing concrete has come out as is usually the case with sports media speculation being taken for truth. But having the correct surgical procedure and Bernstein using that as a basis for part of the argument strikes me as a bit of a straw man (if I understand the definition correctly).
The thing is I like Bernstein, I find him to be smart, funny and B&B is really the only sports radio I listen to. I think he is correct about Reggie and real reasons behind the image of Derrick being soft spoken.
Knee surgeries to athletes strikes a personal chord with me and that part I thought was unnecessary.

[R-V]

Bernstein's days might be numbered.

I guess there a few generally valid points sprinkled in there, but this seems extraordinarily mean-spirited for no good reason.

THIS.

He opts for cartilage repair that requires a longer-term recovery, and then lacks the basic understanding of how that changes the team's title trajectory.

So he shouldn't have opted for the correct procedure?

No... he shouldn't complain that the team is going to remove the pieces that were put here to help him win now and replace them with pieces that might help when he is done recovering.

So if he had the incorrect surgical procedure then he would have the right to complain?

Sort of. I mean, if he sacrificed his future for the good of this current group and they decided to dismantle it anyway, I think he'd have the right to be livid. But he understood what he was doing - that it was the right thing for his future - and that the payoff would be well down the road. So to complain (if that's what he did; I haven't seen anything concrete from him or a surrogate quote-wise) when the team makes decisions based on that same time frame is puzzling.

The question is... does he have the right to complain?

Making the correct surgical decision shouldn't play into it.

It plays into it because it shows that he is thinking longterm about his own well-being and thus should not be surprised or angry or say a word when the team does the same thing. They probably want him to think big picture since they've got so much invested in him because they know they're not ready to win whether he's there this spring or not.

I think he wants to compete for a championship as soon as he comes back from this injury. People thought, or at least hoped, that he was one of the best players in the NBA and dropping him back into the mix with the current Bulls - beleaguered, injury-riddled and flawed as they are - was enough to put them into contention with Indiana and Miami and whoever else from the West. From what we saw in 2010-11 and early this year, I wasn't seeing that. It could be that the Bulls see that as well and must make whatever moves they can in another direction. This didn't work. Rose can't stay healthy. The rest of the roster is not strong enough or young enough to build around.

So to complain when you're getting 30% of the salary cap for doing nothing but rehab is a bad look, as Bernstein writes - apparently at his mortal peril.

I agree with you that he is better served by keeping his yap shut and I agree that nothing concrete has come out as is usually the case with sports media speculation being taken for truth. But having the correct surgical procedure and Bernstein using that as a basis for part of the argument strikes me as a bit of a straw man (if I understand the definition correctly).
The thing is I like Bernstein, I find him to be smart, funny and B&B is really the only sports radio I listen to. I think he is correct about Reggie and real reasons behind the image of Derrick being soft spoken.
Knee surgeries to athletes strikes a personal chord with me and that part I thought was unnecessary.

This is my issue with the column. If Derrick was actually recorded saying these things I think I'd agree with the whole thing. But to write this based on an anonymous rumor in the Daily News seems like a talk radio host latching on to a topic to spend time on in between Bears games.

[R-V]

Bernstein's days might be numbered.

Why do you say that? Reggie Rose and Chief Keef going to have him killed?

DPD. Have we figured out yet why Bernstein's days are numbered?

[Slaky]

That's my issue: these aren't facts, they come from his source. We know nothing about his source but clearly he feels comfortable with the info he's given.

While some of the points are vaild you've got an overeducated, affluent white dude expecting a prodigal athletic talent from a really shitty part of town who has been protected and taken care of by his family as long as he stayed on course to become the generational basketball talent he was destined to be.

Rose isn't a scholar and for Bernstein to expect him to suddenly, because he's the arbitrary age of 25, start acting like he's a worldly adult with the kind of outlook on the world that someone who went to Duke University would have is fucking absurd. The invective from Bernstein is nothing more than a sad Bulls fan who can't believe he's been "forced" again to watch another pointless Bulls season without a guy he pinned his hopes to and trumped up as a kid who gets it before he started getting hurt.

The anger seething from his words is embarrassing as hell and he should be embarrassed for publishing this piece of shit.

Also, he's clearly telling Derrick Rose to stop letting Reggie advise him because it's not in Dan Bernstein's best interests as a Bulls fan. You think Derrick Rose is going to cut ties with his brother and lifelong advisor/protector because a Bulls fan with a louder microphone than most is really annoyed that his favorite team isn't very good anymore? Reggie Rose is probably a shady weirdo but Derrick Rose isn't going to tell him to buzz off - it's his brother for Christ's sake.

If it's not obvious that this all stems back to Bernstein's unbelievable anger over Rose not coming back in time for the playoffs last season I don't even know what else to tell you.

At this point Bernstein seems to have a personal mission to paint Rose as a malcontent idiot who has nothing but contempt for the common Bulls fan and organization. And let's face it - the Bulls organization is about as dysfunctional as it gets.

[Internet Apex]

That's my issue: these aren't facts, they come from his source. We know nothing about his source but clearly he feels comfortable with the info he's given.

While some of the points are vaild you've got an overeducated, affluent white dude expecting a prodigal athletic talent from a really shitty part of town who has been protected and taken care of by his family as long as he stayed on course to become the generational basketball talent he was destined to be.

Rose isn't a scholar and for Bernstein to expect him to suddenly, because he's the arbitrary age of 25, start acting like he's a worldly adult with the kind of outlook on the world that someone who went to Duke University would have is fucking absurd. The invective from Bernstein is nothing more than a sad Bulls fan who can't believe he's been "forced" again to watch another pointless Bulls season without a guy he pinned his hopes to and trumped up as a kid who gets it before he started getting hurt.

The anger seething from his words is embarrassing as hell and he should be embarrassed for publishing this piece of shit.

Also, he's clearly telling Derrick Rose to stop letting Reggie advise him because it's not in Dan Bernstein's best interests as a Bulls fan. You think Derrick Rose is going to cut ties with his brother and lifelong advisor/protector because a Bulls fan with a louder microphone than most is really annoyed that his favorite team isn't very good anymore? Reggie Rose is probably a shady weirdo but Derrick Rose isn't going to tell him to buzz off - it's his brother for Christ's sake.

If it's not obvious that this all stems back to Bernstein's unbelievable anger over Rose not coming back in time for the playoffs last season I don't even know what else to tell you.

At this point Bernstein seems to have a personal mission to paint Rose as a malcontent idiot who has nothing but contempt for the common Bulls fan and organization. And let's face it - the Bulls organization is about as dysfunctional as it gets.

When LeBron was 25 he set the entire city of Cleveland on fire and farted on it while Jim Gray masturbated. It was absolutely unforgivable.

And as dysfunctional as the Bulls can be, compared to the Knicks and Nets they're the fucking 1960's Celtics.

[Chuck to Chuck]

Also, he's clearly telling Derrick Rose to stop letting Reggie advise him because it's not in Dan Bernstein's best interests as a Bulls fan.

It's not in Derrick's interests, either.

Then again, this is the NBA. So, I really don't give a shit.

[R-V]

That's my issue: these aren't facts, they come from his source. We know nothing about his source but clearly he feels comfortable with the info he's given.

While some of the points are vaild you've got an overeducated, affluent white dude expecting a prodigal athletic talent from a really shitty part of town who has been protected and taken care of by his family as long as he stayed on course to become the generational basketball talent he was destined to be.

Rose isn't a scholar and for Bernstein to expect him to suddenly, because he's the arbitrary age of 25, start acting like he's a worldly adult with the kind of outlook on the world that someone who went to Duke University would have is fucking absurd. The invective from Bernstein is nothing more than a sad Bulls fan who can't believe he's been "forced" again to watch another pointless Bulls season without a guy he pinned his hopes to and trumped up as a kid who gets it before he started getting hurt.

The anger seething from his words is embarrassing as hell and he should be embarrassed for publishing this piece of shit.

Also, he's clearly telling Derrick Rose to stop letting Reggie advise him because it's not in Dan Bernstein's best interests as a Bulls fan. You think Derrick Rose is going to cut ties with his brother and lifelong advisor/protector because a Bulls fan with a louder microphone than most is really annoyed that his favorite team isn't very good anymore? Reggie Rose is probably a shady weirdo but Derrick Rose isn't going to tell him to buzz off - it's his brother for Christ's sake.

If it's not obvious that this all stems back to Bernstein's unbelievable anger over Rose not coming back in time for the playoffs last season I don't even know what else to tell you.

At this point Bernstein seems to have a personal mission to paint Rose as a malcontent idiot who has nothing but contempt for the common Bulls fan and organization. And let's face it - the Bulls organization is about as dysfunctional as it gets.

To that point:

So Bulls management has feuded with:

Luol Deng, Derrick Rose, Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan, Phil Jackson, Ben Gordon, Tom Thibideau, and VDN. Also known as the most important people in the franchise over the last 20 years.

Bulls management has good relationships with Randy Brown, Pete Myers, Adrian Griffin, John Paxson, Will Perdue, and Stacey King.

[Eli]

Also, he's clearly telling Derrick Rose to stop letting Reggie advise him because it's not in Dan Bernstein's best interests as a Bulls fan.

It's not in Derrick's interests, either.

Then again, this is the NBA. So, I really don't give a shit.

Well then thanks for chiming in, Chuck.

[Slaky]

Also, he's clearly telling Derrick Rose to stop letting Reggie advise him because it's not in Dan Bernstein's best interests as a Bulls fan.

It's not in Derrick's interests, either.

Then again, this is the NBA. So, I really don't give a shit.

It is in Derrick's best interests - that's what he believes.

He's become a superstar millionaire. It's worked out well so far.

Bernstein and other Bulls fans are upset because he's injured and not playing sooner/more. Because Bulls fans don't give a shit about Derrick Rose, the person.

And you don't give a shit about the NBA so I'm not sure why I'm writing this.