2012 Chicago Cubs

[R-V]

So the argument pits Chuck, on one side, suggesting a Castro trade to the Cardinals for Tyler Greene and cash should happen before the COB today, vs. everyone else, who would not listen to any offers involving Starlin Castro unless it was Longoria and Price or Upton and Verlander.

No. This argument merely pits Chuck against his sworn archenemy: ordinary fucking logic.

I don't think anyone here would be on principle against trading Castro for value. I think we're all mostly just opposed to Chuck making ridiculous bald assertions to the effect of such a trade "becoming more and more likely".

Because, you know, new shit has come to light or something. I guess.

New shit like Castro being at "peak value". And the 2012 season starting.

Because Tom Ricketts was smart enough to hire Theo Epstein to run the team, but dumb enough to run around shitting his pants in panic after a shitty team started the year with a shitty record. Or something.

[Eli]

So the argument pits Chuck, on one side, suggesting a Castro trade to the Cardinals for Tyler Greene and cash should happen before the COB today, vs. everyone else, who would not listen to any offers involving Starlin Castro unless it was Longoria and Price or Upton and Verlander.

Chuck already conceded that his Twitter argument was poorly worded and wrong.

I will say it again. Who are the Cubs able to trade and get multiple everyday players that can help them years into the future? Garza, probably. Soto, maybe. Marmol, if he gets it together. Byrd? Dempster? Kerry Wood? Soriano? David DeJesus? Ian Stewart? Samardzija? Rodrigo Lopez? Brian The Hair? Anthony Rizzo? Josh Vitters? The thought that Castro would be part of a blockbuster deal sometime over the next 2 years isn't inane.

Seriously, what type of return makes trading Castro worth it? I suppose I was joking about Longoria, Price, Verlander and Upton, but not entirely.

Of course everyone would "listen" to offers for Castro. But since you're the one who's sympathetic to Chuck in this argument, what sort of player return would you want for this hypothetical Castro trade?

[J. Walter Weatherman]

So the argument pits Chuck, on one side, suggesting a Castro trade to the Cardinals for Tyler Greene and cash should happen before the COB today, vs. everyone else, who would not listen to any offers involving Starlin Castro unless it was Longoria and Price or Upton and Verlander.

No. This argument merely pits Chuck against his sworn archenemy: ordinary fucking logic.

I don't think anyone here would be on principle against trading Castro for value. I think we're all mostly just opposed to Chuck making ridiculous bald assertions to the effect of such a trade "becoming more and more likely".

Because, you know, new shit has come to light or something. I guess.

New shit like Castro being at "peak value". And the 2012 season starting.

Because Tom Ricketts was smart enough to hire Theo Epstein to run the team, but dumb enough to run around shitting his pants in panic after a shitty team started the year with a shitty record. Or something.

But, don't you see?

Theo wasn't hired because Ricketts is smart. Theo was hired because Ricketts is a no account goldbricker whose new toy was bleeding red ink. (A no account goldbricker who also lacked the balls to hire Andrew Friedman as half of his diarchy of baseball guys.)

It's all of a piece with Internet Chuck's Unified Theory of Tom. Which was almost entirely gleaned from that one video Chuck watched of Papa Joe talking about some things that one time.

[Saul Goodman]

To be clear, I would be pissed if they traded Castro for scraps.

This is my favorite clarification ever.

[Slaky]

Why does Gil expect Samardjiza to be traded by July 31st?

Do people think this?

[J. Walter Weatherman]

Why does Gil expect Samardjiza to be traded by July 31st?

Do people think this?

Gil has the same inside sources as Chuck.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

I meant to embolden Snork and ask Gil, "O RLY" but then saw a dog with a fluffy tail or something.

[Quality Start Machine]

Seriously, what type of return makes trading Castro worth it? I suppose I was joking about Longoria, Price, Verlander and Upton, but not entirely.

Of course everyone would "listen" to offers for Castro. But since you're the one who's sympathetic to Chuck in this argument, what sort of player return would you want for this hypothetical Castro trade?

That's the problem. In return for Castro, you'd want a player in his early-to-mid 20s who is an established major leaguer with a big upside. Then you'd also look for either a blue chip prospect or a couple minor leaguers who project to be solid big leaguers.

In other words, they'd essentially have to trade Castro for Castro and stuff. Because the only way you trade a 22-year-old shortstop who already has two seasons of OPS+ of 100 or higher is if you're Chuck.

[Eli]

In other words, they'd essentially have to trade Castro for Castro and stuff.

Exactly this.

[morpheus]

In other words, they'd essentially have to trade Castro for Castro and stuff.

Exactly this.

Seams right.

[Internet Apex]

In other words, they'd essentially have to trade Castro for Castro and stuff.

Exactly this.

If you don't think this is increasingly likely, you haven't been paying attention.

[Gilgamesh]

I meant to embolden Snork and ask Gil, "O RLY" but then saw a dog with a fluffy tail or something.

It was mostly me being cheeky, but isn't he a FA after the season?

[Eli]

I meant to embolden Snork and ask Gil, "O RLY" but then saw a dog with a fluffy tail or something.

It was mostly me being cheeky, but isn't he a FA after the season?

Not until after 2015.

[Gilgamesh]

I meant to embolden Snork and ask Gil, "O RLY" but then saw a dog with a fluffy tail or something.

It was mostly me being cheeky, but isn't he a FA after the season?

Not until after 2015.

Sweet Jesus!

[Bort]

I meant to embolden Snork and ask Gil, "O RLY" but then saw a dog with a fluffy tail or something.

It was mostly me being cheeky, but isn't he a FA after the season?

Not until after 2015.

Sweet Jesus!

NOOOOOOOOOOO!