Reasonable Trade Discussion

[Internet Apex]

Jon Heyman thinks the Cubs might swap some of their big bat prospects for some of Miami's big arm prospects.  Having to play for Loria's little plaything in that very-Miami stadium just seems cruel.

What Heyman is trying to say is that every team wants Vitters and/or Brett Jackson and are willing to give up their best pitching prospects for either.

I'm fine with this.  TRAYD UM

Intrepid Reader: Oleg

Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah. Woah. Jose Fernandez or no fucking deal.

[Saul Goodman]

I want the Cardinals to trade Oscar Taveras to the Rays (among other St. Louis prospects) for David Price only to lose in the first round and watch Price sign with the Cubs as a free agent. Please.

[Yeti]

I want the Cardinals to trade Oscar Taveras to the Rays (among other St. Louis prospects) for David Price only to lose in the first round and watch Price sign with the Cubs as a free agent. Please.

Do the Cardinals get yet another first round draft pick for that?

[Saul Goodman]

I want the Cardinals to trade Oscar Taveras to the Rays (among other St. Louis prospects) for David Price only to lose in the first round and watch Price sign with the Cubs as a free agent. Please.

Do the Cardinals get yet another first round draft pick for that?

Probably.  He's arb-eligible after next season I think.  So the trade can happen in the middle of next year when he's not compensation-eligible.  But after Taveras establishes himself, maybe, so they won't want to trade him.  Damn it.

[Saul Goodman]

TRADE FUGGIN DEADLINE!

Yoenis Cespedes to Boston, which makes no sense unless they're re-signing him.
Jon Lester and Jonny Gomes to Oakland.

Lots of Twitter twatheads helpfully informed me that this is in fact a BLOCKBUSTER, which no one would have put together without the label.

[Powdered Toast Man]

TRADE FUGGIN DEADLINE!

Yoenis Cespedes to Boston, which makes no sense unless they're re-signing him.
Jon Lester and Jonny Gomes to Oakland.

Lots of Twitter twatheads helpfully informed me that this is in fact a BLOCKBUSTER, which no one would have put together without the label.

I found it strange they traded Cespedes, but upon looking at his numbers maybe he's not really what I thought he was. Seems like Gomes and Fuld (LOL) will replace him, plus the A's now have Lester and it looks like they're not done, either.

I guess if you want to talk stupid trades, WTF A's? Sam Fuld for Tommy Milone? The A's DFA'd Fuld earlier in the year and basically the Twins are stealing Tommy Milone.

[Slaky]

Lackey to the Cards for Craig and Kelly. Probably a good trade for Boston but Kelly seems serviceable at best and Craig is having a down year and is already north of 30.

Lackey is a shithead fuck so of course he's a great fit in St. Louis.

[Saul Goodman]

Aroldis Chapman sure would be a nice piece to shore up the bullpen. The Reds aren't going anywhere, either. Maybe they pick up Leake to replace Wood or Hendricks, too. I'd love a big move like Syndergaard but a midtier move like this is pretty realistic, I think. They're not going to put up with this pitching staff long.

[Slaky]

Aroldis Chapman sure would be a nice piece to shore up the bullpen. The Reds aren't going anywhere, either. Maybe they pick up Leake to replace Wood or Hendricks, too. I'd love a big move like Syndergaard but a midtier move like this is pretty realistic, I think. They're not going to put up with this pitching staff long.

The hell are you talkin about.

[Saul Goodman]

Aroldis Chapman sure would be a nice piece to shore up the bullpen. The Reds aren't going anywhere, either. Maybe they pick up Leake to replace Wood or Hendricks, too. I'd love a big move like Syndergaard but a midtier move like this is pretty realistic, I think. They're not going to put up with this pitching staff long.

The hell are you talkin about.

What the Cubs might do to avoid the likes of Brian Shitter and Whatshisname ruining things if the bullpen continues to be a problem due to injury, ineffectiveness, or both. And a 4/5 starter tandem of Wood/Hendricks probably isn't going to cut it. They've traded with the Reds before, so the in-division thing won't be a dealbreaker. They have the pieces to get anyone they want. Assuming they're not getting Syndergaard or Giolito or any of those types, this could be the kind of move they make. Maybe, maybe not. It's getting time to start talking trades so all I'm saying is let's just see how this plays out. Aren't you looking forward to seeing them in buy mode instead of sell for the first time in a decade?

[Oleg]

Aroldis Chapman sure would be a nice piece to shore up the bullpen. The Reds aren't going anywhere, either. Maybe they pick up Leake to replace Wood or Hendricks, too. I'd love a big move like Syndergaard but a midtier move like this is pretty realistic, I think. They're not going to put up with this pitching staff long.

The hell are you talkin about.

What the Cubs might do to avoid the likes of Brian Shitter and Whatshisname ruining things if the bullpen continues to be a problem due to injury, ineffectiveness, or both. And a 4/5 starter tandem of Wood/Hendricks probably isn't going to cut it. They've traded with the Reds before, so the in-division thing won't be a dealbreaker. They have the pieces to get anyone they want. Assuming they're not getting Syndergaard or Giolito or any of those types, this could be the kind of move they make. Maybe, maybe not. It's getting time to start talking trades so all I'm saying is let's just see how this plays out. Aren't you looking forward to seeing them in buy mode instead of sell for the first time in a decade?

I still can't tell if you're serious.

I'm pretty sure he is.  On the surface, fine.  But, The Reds are a 500 team, 6 games out of first a quarter of the way into the season.  Why would they trade Chapman and Leake now, within the division?

[Eli]

Aroldis Chapman sure would be a nice piece to shore up the bullpen. The Reds aren't going anywhere, either. Maybe they pick up Leake to replace Wood or Hendricks, too. I'd love a big move like Syndergaard but a midtier move like this is pretty realistic, I think. They're not going to put up with this pitching staff long.

The hell are you talkin about.

What the Cubs might do to avoid the likes of Brian Shitter and Whatshisname ruining things if the bullpen continues to be a problem due to injury, ineffectiveness, or both. And a 4/5 starter tandem of Wood/Hendricks probably isn't going to cut it. They've traded with the Reds before, so the in-division thing won't be a dealbreaker. They have the pieces to get anyone they want. Assuming they're not getting Syndergaard or Giolito or any of those types, this could be the kind of move they make. Maybe, maybe not. It's getting time to start talking trades so all I'm saying is let's just see how this plays out. Aren't you looking forward to seeing them in buy mode instead of sell for the first time in a decade?

Edit: I still can't fully tell if you're serious, because this would be more than a mid-tier move. But I've thought about this for two minutes and you know what? I'm intrigued. We'd also have a decent comparison because Craig Kimbrel was just traded.

The Padres gave up Matt Wisler as the centerpiece and he was generally ranked between 40-50 on most prospect lists. They also gave up Jordan Paroubeck, who's basically a fringe guy. They also gave up a competitive balance pick, Cameron Maybin and Carlos Quentin (neither of whom should factor much into this discussion).

Kimbrel was probably regarded slightly higher than Chapman and is under contract for longer (through 2018) at a reasonable cost. Chapman is a FA after 2016. So 1.5 seasons of Chapman should be worth a decent bit less than 4 full seasons of Kimbrel.

Considering that Kimbrel was basically had for a top-50 prospect, a competitive-balance pick, and some flotsam, that's something the Cubs could easily absorb with their system depth. Not sure what the package would look like. McKinney and Underwood? Maybe I'll pose this question on Twitter so everyone can tell me the Cubs should never trade a prospect for anything.

[SKO]

Aroldis Chapman sure would be a nice piece to shore up the bullpen. The Reds aren't going anywhere, either. Maybe they pick up Leake to replace Wood or Hendricks, too. I'd love a big move like Syndergaard but a midtier move like this is pretty realistic, I think. They're not going to put up with this pitching staff long.

The hell are you talkin about.

What the Cubs might do to avoid the likes of Brian Shitter and Whatshisname ruining things if the bullpen continues to be a problem due to injury, ineffectiveness, or both. And a 4/5 starter tandem of Wood/Hendricks probably isn't going to cut it. They've traded with the Reds before, so the in-division thing won't be a dealbreaker. They have the pieces to get anyone they want. Assuming they're not getting Syndergaard or Giolito or any of those types, this could be the kind of move they make. Maybe, maybe not. It's getting time to start talking trades so all I'm saying is let's just see how this plays out. Aren't you looking forward to seeing them in buy mode instead of sell for the first time in a decade?

Edit: I still can't fully tell if you're serious, because this would be more than a mid-tier move. But I've thought about this for two minutes and you know what? I'm intrigued. We'd also have a decent comparison because Craig Kimbrel was just traded.

The Padres gave up Matt Wisler as the centerpiece and he was generally ranked between 40-50 on most prospect lists. They also gave up Jordan Paroubeck, who's basically a fringe guy. They also gave up a competitive balance pick, Cameron Maybin and Carlos Quentin (neither of whom should factor much into this discussion).

Kimbrel was probably regarded slightly higher than Chapman and is under contract for longer (through 2018) at a reasonable cost. Chapman is a FA after 2016. So 1.5 seasons of Chapman should be worth a decent bit less than 4 full seasons of Kimbrel.

Considering that Kimbrel was basically had for a top-50 prospect, a competitive-balance pick, and some flotsam, that's something the Cubs could easily absorb with their system depth. Not sure what the package would look like. McKinney and Underwood? Maybe I'll pose this question on Twitter so everyone can tell me the Cubs should never trade a prospect for anything.

I don't hate this but I think the rotation is a bigger concern than the pen. Ramirez should be back in June and I think the pen will sort itself out to an extent.  I'd rather try your proposed Kazmir trade.  What do you think that costs?

[Oleg]

I don't hate this but I think the rotation is a bigger concern than the pen. Ramirez should be back in June and I think the pen will sort itself out to an extent.  I'd rather try your proposed Kazmir trade.  What do you think that costs?

Russell and McKinney? OK...probably not.

I bet The As would love Vogelbach.

[SKO]

I don't hate this but I think the rotation is a bigger concern than the pen. Ramirez should be back in June and I think the pen will sort itself out to an extent.  I'd rather try your proposed Kazmir trade.  What do you think that costs?

Russell and McKinney? OK...probably not.

I bet The As would love Vogelbach.

We could give them Gleyber.  Seems only fair.