Reasonable Trade Discussion

[PenFoe]

I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end.  I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner?  Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity.  Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching.  Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect.  Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that  this deal was struck. 

Olt is a guy who was overmatched after being called up to the Bigs too soon. While past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings, we've got another guy in the same situation for comparison.

Do you have a comp with someone who got a concussion and has had visions problems since and now can't hit?  

Or maybe just an anecdote about a personal injury that's similar?

I don't know if you're just being snarky toward Fork, but to be clear, Olt slashed .139/.235/.236 in the 20 games prior to 4/25 when the Rangers benched him due to the eyesight issue. Since coming back on May 31, he's hit .253/.352/.524 in 48 games. Saying he "now can't hit" is foolish.

I was told this was encouraged around here, no?

That said, I never checked his splits, good to hear.

[Quality Start Machine]

I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end.  I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner?  Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity.  Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching.  Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect.  Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that  this deal was struck. 

Olt is a guy who was overmatched after being called up to the Bigs too soon. While past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings, we've got another guy in the same situation for comparison.

Do you have a comp with someone who got a concussion and has had visions problems since and now can't hit?  

Or maybe just an anecdote about a personal injury that's similar?

On the other side of the coin, I can't find a another cancer survivor who can home runs like Rizzo anywhere in the Cubs system either.

[Quality Start Machine]

I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end.  I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner?  Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity.  Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching.  Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect.  Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that  this deal was struck. 

Olt is a guy who was overmatched after being called up to the Bigs too soon. While past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings, we've got another guy in the same situation for comparison.

Do you have a comp with someone who got a concussion and has had visions problems since and now can't hit?  

Or maybe just an anecdote about a personal injury that's similar?

I don't know if you're just being snarky toward Fork, but to be clear, Olt slashed .139/.235/.236 in the 20 games prior to 4/25 when the Rangers benched him due to the eyesight issue. Since coming back on May 31, he's hit .253/.352/.524 in 48 games. Saying he "now can't hit" is foolish.

I was told this was encouraged around here, no?

That said, I never checked his splits, good to hear.

Also, in his last 2 games as a member of the Rangers organization, he homered against Iowa.

[Bort]

I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end.  I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner?  Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity.  Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching.  Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect.  Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that  this deal was struck. 

Olt is a guy who was overmatched after being called up to the Bigs too soon. While past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings, we've got another guy in the same situation for comparison.

Do you have a comp with someone who got a concussion and has had visions problems since and now can't hit?  

Or maybe just an anecdote about a personal injury that's similar?

On the other side of the coin, I can't find a another cancer survivor who can home runs like Rizzo anywhere in the Cubs system either.

The whole home runs?

[Eli]

I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end.  I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner?  Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity.  Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching.  Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect.  Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that  this deal was struck. 

Olt is a guy who was overmatched after being called up to the Bigs too soon. While past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings, we've got another guy in the same situation for comparison.

Do you have a comp with someone who got a concussion and has had visions problems since and now can't hit?  

Or maybe just an anecdote about a personal injury that's similar?

On the other side of the coin, I can't find a another cancer survivor who can home runs like Rizzo anywhere in the Cubs system either.

The whole home runs?

I think that's the verb form of RBIs. "Rizzo homed a run, then well defended the last desperate attack of the Mexicans."

[Quality Start Machine]

I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end.  I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner?  Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity.  Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching.  Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect.  Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that  this deal was struck. 

Olt is a guy who was overmatched after being called up to the Bigs too soon. While past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings, we've got another guy in the same situation for comparison.

Do you have a comp with someone who got a concussion and has had visions problems since and now can't hit?  

Or maybe just an anecdote about a personal injury that's similar?

On the other side of the coin, I can't find a another cancer survivor who can home runs like Rizzo anywhere in the Cubs system either.

The whole home runs?

I think that's the verb form of RBIs. "Rizzo homed a run, then well defended the last desperate attack of the Mexicans."

If anyone can defend against an attack of the Mexican runs, it's Rizzo.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

Put it there for the Kris Bryant line.  Five at bats, five KO.

3 games in, it's DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM...

Team    Lev  G  PA  AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR RBI  SB  CS  BB  SO   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  TB GDP HBP  SH  SF IBB
AZ Cubs  Rk  2   7   6   0   1   1   0   0   2   0   0   0   1 .167 .143 .333 .476   2   0   0   0   1   0
Boise    A-  1   5   5   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   5 .000 .000 .000 .000   0   0   0   0   0   0
            3  12  11   0   1   1   0   0   2   0   0   0   6 .091 .083 .182 .265   2   0   0   0   1   0

[CBStew]

Put it there for the Kris Bryant line.  Five at bats, five KO.

3 games in, it's DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM...

Team    Lev  G  PA  AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR RBI  SB  CS  BB  SO   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  TB GDP HBP  SH  SF IBB
AZ Cubs  Rk  2   7   6   0   1   1   0   0   2   0   0   0   1 .167 .143 .333 .476   2   0   0   0   1   0
Boise    A-  1   5   5   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   5 .000 .000 .000 .000   0   0   0   0   0   0
            3  12  11   0   1   1   0   0   2   0   0   0   6 .091 .083 .182 .265   2   0   0   0   1   0

Trade him for prospects.

[Saul Goodman]

Put it there for the Kris Bryant line.  Five at bats, five KO.

3 games in, it's DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM...

Team    Lev  G  PA  AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR RBI  SB  CS  BB  SO   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  TB GDP HBP  SH  SF IBB
AZ Cubs  Rk  2   7   6   0   1   1   0   0   2   0   0   0   1 .167 .143 .333 .476   2   0   0   0   1   0
Boise    A-  1   5   5   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   5 .000 .000 .000 .000   0   0   0   0   0   0
            3  12  11   0   1   1   0   0   2   0   0   0   6 .091 .083 .182 .265   2   0   0   0   1   0

Trade him for prospects Jeff Francoeur.

[Bort]

Put it there for the Kris Bryant line.  Five at bats, five KO.

3 games in, it's DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM...

Team    Lev  G  PA  AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR RBI  SB  CS  BB  SO   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  TB GDP HBP  SH  SF IBB
AZ Cubs  Rk  2   7   6   0   1   1   0   0   2   0   0   0   1 .167 .143 .333 .476   2   0   0   0   1   0
Boise    A-  1   5   5   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   5 .000 .000 .000 .000   0   0   0   0   0   0
            3  12  11   0   1   1   0   0   2   0   0   0   6 .091 .083 .182 .265   2   0   0   0   1   0

Trade him for prospects Jeff Francoeur Cano.

[Saul Goodman]

If the Cubs get offered a good package of prospects for him, I hope they're willing to deal Samardzija.  He's about to get really expensive, and look at his most similar pitchers according to Baseball-Reference (actives in bold):

Overall
1. Tom Acker
2. David Hernandez
3. Mike Armstrong
4. Zach Miner
5. Taylor Buchholz
6. Harry Taylor
7. Burke Badenhop
8. Xavier Rescigno
9. Bob Stoddard
10. Matt Wise

Similar Pitchers through 27
1. David Hernandez
2. Zach Miner
3. Jim Acker
4. Rich Bordi
5. Jack Lamabe
6. Charlie Williams
7. Jose Paniagua
8. Matty Pattin
9. Dave Burba
10. Sarge Connally

Not exactly the greatest of company, there.  Jeff'll be 29 on Opening Day next year.  I'm not at all sure a long-term extension makes sense.  This team is still a couple years away, and they're still very thin in pitching talent.  I think they'd be wise to exchange him for several young, promising arms.  Skaggs and Bradley from Arizona would be the best-case, which would be a pretty stunning move for Towers to make.  Then again, Epstink might be able to convince somebody he's a future #1, Arizona supposedly wants the Shark, and Towers just traded away Bauer and Upton, so why the hell not?

[Bort]

If the Cubs get offered a good package of prospects for him, I hope they're willing to deal Samardzija.  He's about to get really expensive, and look at his most similar pitchers according to Baseball-Reference (actives in bold):

Overall
1. Tom Acker
2. David Hernandez
3. Mike Armstrong
4. Zach Miner
5. Taylor Buchholz
6. Harry Taylor
7. Burke Badenhop
8. Xavier Rescigno
9. Bob Stoddard
10. Matt Wise

Similar Pitchers through 27
1. David Hernandez
2. Zach Miner
3. Jim Acker
4. Rich Bordi
5. Jack Lamabe
6. Charlie Williams
7. Jose Paniagua
8. Matty Pattin
9. Dave Burba
10. Sarge Connally

Not exactly the greatest of company, there.  Jeff'll be 29 on Opening Day next year.  I'm not at all sure a long-term extension makes sense.  This team is still a couple years away, and they're still very thin in pitching talent.  I think they'd be wise to exchange him for several young, promising arms.  Skaggs and Bradley from Arizona would be the best-case, which would be a pretty stunning move for Towers to make.  Then again, Epstink might be able to convince somebody he's a future #1, Arizona supposedly wants the Shark, and Towers just traded away Bauer and Upton, so why the hell not?

[bort]Trade him to a burning barn.[/bort]

[Eli]

If the Cubs get offered a good package of prospects for him, I hope they're willing to deal Samardzija.  He's about to get really expensive, and look at his most similar pitchers according to Baseball-Reference (actives in bold):

Overall
<snip>Big list of irrelevant players</snip>

Not exactly the greatest of company, there.  Jeff'll be 29 on Opening Day next year.  I'm not at all sure a long-term extension makes sense.  This team is still a couple years away, and they're still very thin in pitching talent.  I think they'd be wise to exchange him for several young, promising arms.  Skaggs and Bradley from Arizona would be the best-case, which would be a pretty stunning move for Towers to make.  Then again, Epstink might be able to convince somebody he's a future #1, Arizona supposedly wants the Shark, and Towers just traded away Bauer and Upton, so why the hell not?

First, using BR comps is pointless in general. Much less for someone like Samardzija who is clearly a different player than a few years ago.

And at some point, the Cubs need actual good major league players on the roster. Shark is a very good one and they should find a way to keep him there.

[SKO]

If the Cubs get offered a good package of prospects for him, I hope they're willing to deal Samardzija.  He's about to get really expensive, and look at his most similar pitchers according to Baseball-Reference (actives in bold):

Overall
<snip>Big list of irrelevant players</snip>

Not exactly the greatest of company, there.  Jeff'll be 29 on Opening Day next year.  I'm not at all sure a long-term extension makes sense.  This team is still a couple years away, and they're still very thin in pitching talent.  I think they'd be wise to exchange him for several young, promising arms.  Skaggs and Bradley from Arizona would be the best-case, which would be a pretty stunning move for Towers to make.  Then again, Epstink might be able to convince somebody he's a future #1, Arizona supposedly wants the Shark, and Towers just traded away Bauer and Upton, so why the hell not?

First, using BR comps is pointless in general. Much less for someone like Samardzija who is clearly a different player than a few years ago.

And at some point, the Cubs need actual good major league players on the roster. Shark is a very good one and they should find a way to keep him there.

Agreed. I think at some point we have to accept that someone on the 2015 World Series Champions is going to be over the age of 30. That's okay.

[Saul Goodman]

Damn it. My thinly veiled excuse for getting rid of him failed. FIREBARN it is.