Reasonable Trade Discussion

[InternetApex]

Zobrist to the Royals per the internet.

*kicks rocks*

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13331616/kansas-city-royals-acquire-ben-zobrist-oakland-as

[Chuck to Chuck]

Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.

[SKO]

Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.

Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.

I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.

[Powdered Toast Man]

Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.

Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.

I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.

I'm not worried about Soler.

[Chuck to Chuck]

Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.

Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.

I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.

I'm not worried about Soler.

Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.

[Powdered Toast Man]

Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.

Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.

I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.

I'm not worried about Soler.

Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.

And Soler only costs $30MM over 9 years...that could be a steal. Is there something funky in his contract like Puig's?

[SKO]

Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.

Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.

I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.

I'm not worried about Soler.

Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.

And Soler only costs $30MM over 9 years...that could be a steal. Is there something funky in his contract like Puig's?

I believe he can opt for arbitration early.  Even so I can't imagine trading a guy with his potential after just 92 career games.  I also feel like a dick now that I realize he's played 92 games. I felt like his stint last year was longer than that.

[InternetApex]

Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.

Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.

I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.

I'm not worried about Soler.

Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.

And Soler only costs $30MM over 9 years...that could be a steal. Is there something funky in his contract like Puig's?

I believe he can opt for arbitration early.  Even so I can't imagine trading a guy with his potential after just 92 career games.  I also feel like a dick now that I realize he's played 92 games. I felt like his stint last year was longer than that.

It's problematic for fans as we have been living with Jorge and Javy and Addy and Khrist for like three years now and expect them to be awesome NOW NOW NOW. It's not as if they've got three years of big league ball under their belts where you can say, ok, he's never going to be better than this. But Theo and Jed know more stuff than I do and maybe they've altered their evaluations of their Core 4 to the point that they're not long for their cornerstone status. What we lost, what we never had. I doubt it though. 92 Games. 8 year olds, dude.

[SKO]

Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.

Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.

I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.

I'm not worried about Soler.

Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.

And Soler only costs $30MM over 9 years...that could be a steal. Is there something funky in his contract like Puig's?

I believe he can opt for arbitration early.  Even so I can't imagine trading a guy with his potential after just 92 career games.  I also feel like a dick now that I realize he's played 92 games. I felt like his stint last year was longer than that.

It's problematic for fans as we have been living with Jorge and Javy and Addy and Khrist for like three years now and expect them to be awesome NOW NOW NOW. It's not as if they've got three years of big league ball under their belts where you can say, ok, he's never going to be better than this. But Theo and Jed know more stuff than I do and maybe they've altered their evaluations of their Core 4 to the point that they're not long for their cornerstone status. What we lost, what we never had. I doubt it though. 92 Games. 8 year olds, dude.

I'd have been able to process Jorge's struggles better if I was told to expect them. He was billed as their most complete hitter, the one that wouldn't K as much, and last year he crushed it while not striking out a lot. His struggles are normal for a lot of young power hitters but not how I thought he'd struggle. I thought he might remind me of young Starlin, hitting a lot of singles and weak pop ups because his ability to hit everything would make him Try to hit everything and fail to wait for good ones.

I just hate surprises, is all. Bryant and Javy K'ing a fuckton to start never worried me. Their track record said they would. Maybe the problem was just how small Jorge's track record was.

Either way, I'm sorry. He'll be fine. 92 games ain't that many.

[Shooter]

Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.

Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.

I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.

I'm not worried about Soler.

Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.

Are you going to arrange for CarGo to continue to play half of his games in Coors?

Career at home: 326/384/599/983
Career on the road: 258/313/440/752

[Eli]

Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.

Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.

I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.

I'm not worried about Soler.

Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.

Are you going to arrange for CarGo to continue to play half of his games in Coors?

Career at home: 326/384/599/983
Career on the road: 258/313/440/752

It's a big split, but the vast majority of players do hit quite a bit better at home.

[ChuckD]

Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.

Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.

I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.

I'm not worried about Soler.

Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.

Are you going to arrange for CarGo to continue to play half of his games in Coors?

Career at home: 326/384/599/983
Career on the road: 258/313/440/752

It's a big split, but the vast majority of players do hit quite a bit better at home.

It's 7 to 8 times the average difference.

Trading for Carlos Gonzalez on the basis of a two week stretch where he's been hotter than shit and the Cubs' have been equally cold seems like a bad idea. Chuck's on board with it, too. QED

[Eli]

Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.

Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.

I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.

I'm not worried about Soler.

Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.

Are you going to arrange for CarGo to continue to play half of his games in Coors?

Career at home: 326/384/599/983
Career on the road: 258/313/440/752

It's a big split, but the vast majority of players do hit quite a bit better at home.

It's 7 to 8 times the average difference.

Trading for Carlos Gonzalez on the basis of a two week stretch where he's been hotter than shit and the Cubs' have been equally cold seems like a bad idea. Chuck's on board with it, too. QED

Why are you assuming that'd be the "basis" for a trade?

[ChuckD]

Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.

Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.

I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.

I'm not worried about Soler.

Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.

Are you going to arrange for CarGo to continue to play half of his games in Coors?

Career at home: 326/384/599/983
Career on the road: 258/313/440/752

It's a big split, but the vast majority of players do hit quite a bit better at home.

It's 7 to 8 times the average difference.

Trading for Carlos Gonzalez on the basis of a two week stretch where he's been hotter than shit and the Cubs' have been equally cold seems like a bad idea. Chuck's on board with it, too. QED

Why are you assuming that'd be the "basis" for a trade?

Sorry, I shouldn't put words in anyone's mouth. I'm assuming people like Chuck are hot for him due to his recent tear as nobody was talking about trading for him two weeks ago.

[Saul Goodman]

Zobrist to the Royals per the internet.

*kicks rocks*

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13331616/kansas-city-royals-acquire-ben-zobrist-oakland-as

DAMMIT. After hearing so much about him and the Cubs for like a year I'm kinda pissed he has to go make Ned Yost look smart instead.