Reasonable Trade Discussion

[Eli]

Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays?

Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?

[Oleg]

Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays?

Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?

That would be good.

Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?

[R-V]

Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays?

Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?

That would be good.

Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?

Just looking purely at numbers over the last 3 years - and not knowing much at all about either outside of that - I'd say McGee to your first question. Boxberger has a better K rate, but walks an additional batter per nine innings over McGee, and McGee's FIP is about a run lower. That being said, Boxberger is two years younger so maybe he's young enough that Bosio could pull some wizardry with that walk rate.

[Eli]

Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays?

Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?

That would be good.

Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?

I'd rather they don't trade Javy.

ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.

[SKO]

Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays?

Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?

That would be good.

Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?

I'd rather they don't trade Javy.

ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.

Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.

I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.

[Quality Start Machine]

Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays?

Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?

That would be good.

Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?

I'd rather they don't trade Javy.

ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.

Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.

I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.

I don't see why the Cubs have to trade either - despite what we've seen from both of them, their injuries have slowed their development. They've got fuckloads of potential, but it kind of feels like selling low.

[Eli]

Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays?

Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?

That would be good.

Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?

I'd rather they don't trade Javy.

ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.

Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.

I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.

I don't see why the Cubs have to trade either - despite what we've seen from both of them, their injuries have slowed their development. They've got fuckloads of potential, but it kind of feels like selling low.

After Soler's playoff performance?

[InternetApex]

Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays?

Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?

That would be good.

Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?

I'd rather they don't trade Javy.

ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.

Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.

I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.

I don't see why the Cubs have to trade either - despite what we've seen from both of them, their injuries have slowed their development. They've got fuckloads of potential, but it kind of feels like selling low.

After Soler's playoff performance?

I'd say yes, still. Though it's not as low as it might have been if he'd not strangled Adam Wainwrong to death with his giant, Cuban beef muscle.

[InternetApex]

Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays?

Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?

That would be good.

Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?

I'd rather they don't trade Javy.

ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.

Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.

I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.

Every last drop of THIS.

[Eli]

Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays?

Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?

That would be good.

Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?

I'd rather they don't trade Javy.

ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.

Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.

I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.

I don't see why the Cubs have to trade either - despite what we've seen from both of them, their injuries have slowed their development. They've got fuckloads of potential, but it kind of feels like selling low.

After Soler's playoff performance?

I'd say yes, still. Though it's not as low as it might have been if he'd not strangled Adam Wainwrong to death with his giant, Cuban beef muscle.

I dunno. If Soler repeats this 2015 and puts up another inconsistent year (even if puts up like, 1 WAR), his trade value will have basically evaporated. Which still seems more way likely than him becoming some 30-homer beast who can also play defense and stay healthy.

[Oleg]

Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays?

Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?

That would be good.

Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?

I'd rather they don't trade Javy.

ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.

Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.

I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.

I don't see why the Cubs have to trade either - despite what we've seen from both of them, their injuries have slowed their development. They've got fuckloads of potential, but it kind of feels like selling low.

After Soler's playoff performance?

Wait...selling low?  I understand if you don't really have a good sense of who The Rays' pitchers are but I don't think trading Javy (as a centerpiece) for one of the RPs and one of those SPs is selling low, per se.

It's another thing to not want to trade away Javy, and I'm probably in that camp, but if he brings back that much goodness, I might be inclined to like that trade.

Let's see how it plays out.

[SKO]

Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays?

Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?

That would be good.

Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?

I'd rather they don't trade Javy.

ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.

Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.

I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.

I don't see why the Cubs have to trade either - despite what we've seen from both of them, their injuries have slowed their development. They've got fuckloads of potential, but it kind of feels like selling low.

After Soler's playoff performance?

Wait...selling low?  I understand if you don't really have a good sense of who The Rays' pitchers are but I don't think trading Javy (as a centerpiece) for one of the RPs and one of those SPs is selling low, per se.

It's another thing to not want to trade away Javy, and I'm probably in that camp, but if he brings back that much goodness, I might be inclined to like that trade.

Let's see how it plays out.

If they can turn Baez and anyone in the minors other than Gleyber (FULL DISCLOSURE: I don't think much of McKinney, but I understand some do) into Odorizzi AND Boxberger or McGee that's a trade I'd do.

[Saul Goodman]

Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays?

Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?

That would be good.

Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?

I'd rather they don't trade Javy.

ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.

Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.

I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.

Every last drop of THIS.

Was scrolling down to say the same thing. They didn't get Price or Chapman but I'd settle for this plan.

Speaking of, what do you Desipiots think of Kenta Maeda? Yes, no, or meh?

[SKO]

What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.

Which prospects?