Reasonable Trade Discussion

[SKO]

Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.

There's no way the Cubs get him, right?

Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.

What the Dodgers and Cubs can't offer though, is a chance to DH on non-pitching days.

Honestly I'm not sure how that plays. Most AL teams will have an actual designated DH and would be afraid to take the risk of giving up offense if Otani turns out to be just a good-hitting pitcher and not an actual good hitter. I think an NL team where he'd be allowed to bat for himself while pitching and then be a pinch hitter/outfield sub might be more appealing. I'd have to think Joe's willingness to get weird would be a bonus for the Cubs here.

[Oleg]

Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.

There's no way the Cubs get him, right?

Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-to-sign-shohei-otani/

[SKO]

Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.

There's no way the Cubs get him, right?

Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-to-sign-shohei-otani/

Yep. I'd put money that Otani will sign with the Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, or Red Sox. He's gonna go wherever he has the best chance of winning and future earnings. The 300 K vs 10 mil teams can offer him right now isn't gonna make a difference.

[CBStew]

Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.

There's no way the Cubs get him, right?

Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.

What the Dodgers and Cubs can't offer though, is a chance to DH on non-pitching days.

Honestly I'm not sure how that plays. Most AL teams will have an actual designated DH and would be afraid to take the risk of giving up offense if Otani turns out to be just a good-hitting pitcher and not an actual good hitter. I think an NL team where he'd be allowed to bat for himself while pitching and then be a pinch hitter/outfield sub might be more appealing. I'd have to think Joe's willingness to get weird would be a bonus for the Cubs here.

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[Canadouche]

Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.

There's no way the Cubs get him, right?

Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-to-sign-shohei-otani/

Yep. I'd put money that Otani will sign with the Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, or Red Sox. He's gonna go wherever he has the best chance of winning and future earnings. The 300 K vs 10 mil teams can offer him right now isn't gonna make a difference.

My sense is that he wants to play for a team that will let him play both ways. It's a crazy idea, one that probably wouldn't last, but I bet that'll be important to him. Even if the Cubs were crazy enough to allow for that, I don't know where they'd put him.

[SKO]

Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.

There's no way the Cubs get him, right?

Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-to-sign-shohei-otani/

Yep. I'd put money that Otani will sign with the Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, or Red Sox. He's gonna go wherever he has the best chance of winning and future earnings. The 300 K vs 10 mil teams can offer him right now isn't gonna make a difference.

My sense is that he wants to play for a team that will let him play both ways. It's a crazy idea, one that probably wouldn't last, but I bet that'll be important to him. Even if the Cubs were crazy enough to allow for that, I don't know where they'd put him.

He can play right field 4/5 days. They don't have anyone there.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.

There's no way the Cubs get him, right?

Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-to-sign-shohei-otani/

Yep. I'd put money that Otani will sign with the Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, or Red Sox. He's gonna go wherever he has the best chance of winning and future earnings. The 300 K vs 10 mil teams can offer him right now isn't gonna make a difference.

My sense is that he wants to play for a team that will let him play both ways. It's a crazy idea, one that probably wouldn't last, but I bet that'll be important to him. Even if the Cubs were crazy enough to allow for that, I don't know where they'd put him.

He can play right field 4/5 days. They don't have anyone there.

/gif "Ed McMahon Hiyo"

[SKO]

Also shouldn't this be in some kind of offseason or Reasonable Free Agent Discussion thread. Nobody is trading for Shohei Otani. MODS!!!!

[CT III]

Also shouldn't this be in some kind of offseason or Reasonable Free Agent Discussion thread. Nobody is trading for Shohei Otani. MODS!!!!

What

[SKO]

Also shouldn't this be in some kind of offseason or Reasonable Free Agent Discussion thread. Nobody is trading for Shohei Otani. MODS!!!!

What

These kinds of things never happened when I was the admin. Mostly because if you opened this thread a bunch of pr0n bots would destroy your computer.

[Quality Start Machine]

Also shouldn't this be in some kind of offseason or Reasonable Free Agent Discussion thread. Nobody is trading for Shohei Otani. MODS!!!!

What

These kinds of things never happened when I was the admin. Mostly because if you opened this thread a bunch of pr0n bots would destroy your computer.

Go on...

[CBStew]

Also shouldn't this be in some kind of offseason or Reasonable Free Agent Discussion thread. Nobody is trading for Shohei Otani. MODS!!!!

What

These kinds of things never happened when I was the admin. Mostly because if you opened this thread a bunch of pr0n bots would destroy your computer.

Go on...

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[Saul Goodman]

In the offseason, I think the Cardinals will trade for Giancarlo Stanton and Tommy Pham will be part of the return. 

Which will REALLY piss off Cardinals fans when they still lose to the Cubs.

[Saul Goodman]

Question: Is Addison Russell's remaining team control worth half a season of Manny Machado?

[SKO]

Question: Is Addison Russell's remaining team control worth half a season of Manny Machado?

For the Cubs or Orioles?

Anyway yes. In fact the Cubs would probably have to throw in adbert or something. And I'd be cool with it. Machado would make this lineup even better for a title run and they'd presumably get a chance to talk terms of an extension with him. If they don't win the Harper derby, Machado at SS would be a nice consolation prize.