Will Joe Paterno AND Penn State Football Both Die in 2012?

[Brownie]

Look at USC for an example of the efficacy of NCAA sanctions.  So they missed out on some postseason games.  It made no dent whatsoever on their ability to recruit many of the best high school players nationwide.  Skeptic that I am, my conclusion is that sanctions for recruiting violations function as advertising for the cheating institutions.

Penn State and USC have no equivalency, unless you'd like to argue that potential recruits look at going to the school where Reggie Bush took gifts and cash the same way they'll look at playing at the school where the locker room shower stalls were the site of multiple rapes of pre-adolescent boys.

[Quality Start Machine]

As for demolishing the program, I'm pretty sure the program was effectively demolished the minute I got dead pool points for JoePa. Even before this story broke, everybody knew PSU football was a cult of personality, and JoePa had more influence in State College than anyone up to and including the Governor of Pennsylvania.

And Penn St. is still a huge money maker. Happy Valley will still be packed, the alumni still travels well, and nobody can doubt that PSU's next football game will be huge TV.

???

I thought the death penalty was a no-brainer until I saw the deafening silence out of the NCAA.

Even best case scenario, I don't think anyone should have expected the NCAA to dole out a punishment within 48 hours of the Freeh Report.

I was comparing quality of product to people willing to buy it. The football will suck, but there's still enough people who will deck themselves out in blue and white and yell "WE ARE PENN STATE!" regardless.

And I wasn't expecting a punishment, but at least...something. Hell, Eisenhower had two speeches prepared for D-Day. You'd think they'd have some sort of contingency plan.

[Internet Apex]

This thread needs more World War II comparisons.

[Brownie]

This thread needs more World War II comparisons.

Fine.

Maybe they're fueling up the plane as we speak.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

This thread needs more World War II comparisons.

Fine.

Maybe they're fueling up the plane as we speak.

Hasn't Penn State seen enough Little Boys already?

[Quality Start Machine]

This thread needs more World War II comparisons.

Fine.

Maybe they're fueling up the plane as we speak.

Hasn't Penn State seen enough Little Boys already?

Thrill wins.

[Tinker to Evers to Chance]

I wouldn't say the NCAA's response counts as deafening silence.  If you read the questions they posed to Penn State, it's copied almost word for word from the Freeh report.  Sort of like how the Soviets eventually used German strategic and operational concepts for mechanized warfare and combined arms operations against the Germans themselves on the Eastern Front.

I'm not certain that the NCAA will do the right thing, but it's a bit early in the process to say that it will only be a slap on the wrist.  Let's see how it plays out.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

I wouldn't say the NCAA's response counts as deafening silence.  If you read the questions they posed to Penn State, it's copied almost word for word from the Freeh report.  Sort of like how the Soviets eventually used German strategic and operational concepts for mechanized warfare and combined arms operations against the Germans themselves on the Eastern Front.

I'm not certain that the NCAA will do the right thing, but it's a bit early in the process to say that it will only be a slap on the wrist.  Let's see how it plays out.

The NCAA letter was written last November when the shit hit the fan.

Presumably, Penn State was waiting for their own investigation (led by Freeh) to be completed before responding. Hence: "Penn State's response to the letter will inform our next steps, including whether or not to take further action."

[CBStew]

Look at USC for an example of the efficacy of NCAA sanctions.  So they missed out on some postseason games.  It made no dent whatsoever on their ability to recruit many of the best high school players nationwide.  Skeptic that I am, my conclusion is that sanctions for recruiting violations function as advertising for the cheating institutions.

Penn State and USC have no equivalency, unless you'd like to argue that potential recruits look at going to the school where Reggie Bush took gifts and cash the same way they'll look at playing at the school where the locker room shower stalls were the site of multiple rapes of pre-adolescent boys.

I am not trying to compare the schools or the reasons for sanctions.  If a recruit needs the NCAA to inform him of what happened at Penn State that recruit is so dumb that he is already a candidate for USC.  What I believe is the case is that NCAA sanctions for recruiting violations may have the undesired effect of tipping recruits off about where to look to get a good deal.  

[J. Walter Weatherman]

Look at USC for an example of the efficacy of NCAA sanctions.  So they missed out on some postseason games.  It made no dent whatsoever on their ability to recruit many of the best high school players nationwide.  Skeptic that I am, my conclusion is that sanctions for recruiting violations function as advertising for the cheating institutions.

Penn State and USC have no equivalency, unless you'd like to argue that potential recruits look at going to the school where Reggie Bush took gifts and cash the same way they'll look at playing at the school where the locker room shower stalls were the site of multiple rapes of pre-adolescent boys.

I am not trying to compare the schools or the reasons for sanctions.  If a recruit needs the NCAA to inform him of what happened at Penn State that recruit is so dumb that he is already a candidate for USC.  What I believe is the case is that NCAA sanctions for recruiting violations may have the undesired effect of tipping recruits off about where to look to get a good deal.  

Well, if any potential football recruits are looking to get raped with impunity by an older man, I guess now they know where to shop.

[CBStew]

Look at USC for an example of the efficacy of NCAA sanctions.  So they missed out on some postseason games.  It made no dent whatsoever on their ability to recruit many of the best high school players nationwide.  Skeptic that I am, my conclusion is that sanctions for recruiting violations function as advertising for the cheating institutions.

Penn State and USC have no equivalency, unless you'd like to argue that potential recruits look at going to the school where Reggie Bush took gifts and cash the same way they'll look at playing at the school where the locker room shower stalls were the site of multiple rapes of pre-adolescent boys.

I am not trying to compare the schools or the reasons for sanctions.  If a recruit needs the NCAA to inform him of what happened at Penn State that recruit is so dumb that he is already a candidate for USC.  What I believe is the case is that NCAA sanctions for recruiting violations may have the undesired effect of tipping recruits off about where to look to get a good deal.  

Well, if any potential football recruits are looking to get raped with impunity by an older man, I guess now they know where to shop.

It is probably a small group, but I wouldn't bet against its existence.

[Oleg]

Look at USC for an example of the efficacy of NCAA sanctions.  So they missed out on some postseason games.  It made no dent whatsoever on their ability to recruit many of the best high school players nationwide.  Skeptic that I am, my conclusion is that sanctions for recruiting violations function as advertising for the cheating institutions.

Penn State and USC have no equivalency, unless you'd like to argue that potential recruits look at going to the school where Reggie Bush took gifts and cash the same way they'll look at playing at the school where the locker room shower stalls were the site of multiple rapes of pre-adolescent boys.

I am not trying to compare the schools or the reasons for sanctions.  If a recruit needs the NCAA to inform him of what happened at Penn State that recruit is so dumb that he is already a candidate for USC.  What I believe is the case is that NCAA sanctions for recruiting violations may have the undesired effect of tipping recruits off about where to look to get a good deal.  

Well, if any potential football recruits are looking to get raped with impunity by an older man, I guess now they know where to shop.

It is probably a small group, but I wouldn't bet against its existence.

A small group like Stalin, Roosevelt, and Churchill at Yalta?

[Shooter]

(TPD)

As i said earlier:

Besides, both the NCAA and Big 10 have too large a vested interest in Penn State.

How much of a vested interest does the NCAA really have in a neutered Penn State that's lost its legendary head coach and that can't recruit worth shit? Honest question.

According to ESPN, Penn State 2013 class in #14 in the NCAA -- better than recent efforts. Granted all of those players committed before the Freeh report came out, but is there much in the report that was shocking enough to change the mind of someone, given what was known before the report?

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

(TPD)

As i said earlier:

Besides, both the NCAA and Big 10 have too large a vested interest in Penn State.

How much of a vested interest does the NCAA really have in a neutered Penn State that's lost its legendary head coach and that can't recruit worth shit? Honest question.

According to ESPN, Penn State 2013 class in #14 in the NCAA -- better than recent efforts. Granted all of those players committed before the Freeh report came out, but is there much in the report that was shocking enough to change the mind of someone, given what was known before the report?

Seriously, that's a pretty fucking disheartening fact, not just because the kids have stayed the course since the verdict, or even the indictment, but because recruiters from other schools weren't able to poach the shit out of them.  How hard would that have been?

Dude you're still planning on going to Penn State?  Seriously? 

*sighs*

Look--I gotta be honest.  And  this is for your sake--you do what you think is best, of course.  But you need to look out for yourself and I'm concerned--I'm just saying this for your sake--I'm just concerned for you that you're not looking out for yourself.  Okay?

Look--if that thing gets worse over there, and you still haven't begun to make other plans, you can realistically miss out totally--and I'm not talking about here, at our school.  How many slots do you really think are available right now for next Fall? You're going to be playing fucking Division III while half your incoming class at Penn State will be on TV every Saturday, playing for other D-1 schools, laughing at you. 

Think about it and call me if you want, man. I really hope you make the right call, for your sake.  You're a good kid and I like you. Good luck either way.  I'm here if you want to talk, okay?


Granted, if that shit was recorded Bruce Pearl-style, maybe it's not kosher.  It's certainly manipulative--but isn't that a recruiter's job?  How have kids not begun to defect since last Fall?  I'm honestly wondering.

[Internet Apex]

(TPD)

As i said earlier:

Besides, both the NCAA and Big 10 have too large a vested interest in Penn State.

How much of a vested interest does the NCAA really have in a neutered Penn State that's lost its legendary head coach and that can't recruit worth shit? Honest question.

According to ESPN, Penn State 2013 class in #14 in the NCAA -- better than recent efforts. Granted all of those players committed before the Freeh report came out, but is there much in the report that was shocking enough to change the mind of someone, given what was known before the report?

Seriously, that's a pretty fucking disheartening fact, not just because the kids have stayed the course since the verdict, or even the indictment, but because recruiters from other schools weren't able to poach the shit out of them.  How hard would that have been?

Dude you're still planning on going to Penn State?  Seriously? 

*sighs*

Look--I gotta be honest.  And  this is for your sake--you do what you think is best, of course.  But you need to look out for yourself and I'm concerned--I'm just saying this for your sake--I'm just concerned for you that you're not looking out for yourself.  Okay?

Look--if that thing gets worse over there, and you still haven't begun to make other plans, you can realistically miss out totally--and I'm not talking about here, at our school.  How many slots do you really think are available right now for next Fall? You're going to be playing fucking Division III while half your incoming class at Penn State will be on TV every Saturday, playing for other D-1 schools, laughing at you. 

Think about it and call me if you want, man. I really hope you make the right call, for your sake.  You're a good kid and I like you. Good luck either way.  I'm here if you want to talk, okay?


Granted, if that shit was recorded Bruce Pearl-style, maybe it's not kosher.  It's certainly manipulative--but isn't that a recruiter's job?  How have kids not begun to defect since last Fall?  I'm honestly wondering.

You missed the part about how many black people live in DeKalb. I'm guessing a handful.