Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread

[PenFoe]

After thinking about this all afternoon, I do think that Sheehan has a point.

Let's say that Castro gets hurt on May 1.  Who gets the call-up?  If your answer is Russell, I think you're wrong and I think many in the industry would think you're wrong.  Baez, as it currently stands, is higher on the depth chart than Russell.  That may not be the case by the All-Star break (I kind of hope it's still the case cause it would mean Baez is having a damn good year) but it is the case now.

Russell has just over 1000 PA in the minors, including 13 in AAA.
Baez has 1350 PA in the minors, including 430 in AAA.  Plus, whatever he got in the majors last year.

I'm not saying the depth chart is right or wrong but I can see why Baez is thought of to be "ahead" of Russell right now.

Also if all you're using is Baez having more experience and ABs doesn't that just go back to my original glib answer of "no" for Sheehan's question about whether there's any reason other than tenure to put Baez ahead of Russell?  The fact is consensus is most definitely that Russell is the better prospect,  depth chart be damned (if we're going depth chart would Sheehan say Olt is ahead of Bryant?). Sheehan's sentence made it sound like the consensus is Baez> Russell and I don't think that's remotely true.

Pretty sure you've made that really clear at this point.

[Oleg]

After thinking about this all afternoon, I do think that Sheehan has a point.

Let's say that Castro gets hurt on May 1.  Who gets the call-up?  If your answer is Russell, I think you're wrong and I think many in the industry would think you're wrong.  Baez, as it currently stands, is higher on the depth chart than Russell.  That may not be the case by the All-Star break (I kind of hope it's still the case cause it would mean Baez is having a damn good year) but it is the case now.

Russell has just over 1000 PA in the minors, including 13 in AAA.
Baez has 1350 PA in the minors, including 430 in AAA.  Plus, whatever he got in the majors last year.

I'm not saying the depth chart is right or wrong but I can see why Baez is thought of to be "ahead" of Russell right now.

Also if all you're using is Baez having more experience and ABs doesn't that just go back to my original glib answer of "no" for Sheehan's question about whether there's any reason other than tenure to put Baez ahead of Russell?  The fact is consensus is most definitely that Russell is the better prospect,  depth chart be damned (if we're going depth chart would Sheehan say Olt is ahead of Bryant?). Sheehan's sentence made it sound like the consensus is Baez> Russell and I don't think that's remotely true.

1.  I meant the idea that Sheehan is arguing against some strawman is not true.

If Castro got hurt, they'd also have the option of putting Alcantara at short and bringing somebody else up. The point of Baez in Iowa is for him to figure out the strike zone and make contact. Throwing him back into the big league fire before that and you just got yourself the next Corey Patterson or Felix Pie.

2.  Regardless of who gets the call first, I'm pretty sure that Baez is still further up on the depth chart than Russell...right now.

Also if all you're using is Baez having more experience and ABs doesn't that just go back to my original glib answer of "no" for Sheehan's question about whether there's any reason other than tenure to put Baez ahead of Russell?  The fact is consensus is most definitely that Russell is the better prospect,  depth chart be damned (if we're going depth chart would Sheehan say Olt is ahead of Bryant?). Sheehan's sentence made it sound like the consensus is Baez> Russell and I don't think that's remotely true.

3.  Olt is ahead of Bryant on the depth chart seeing as how Olt will, presumably, be the starting 3B on opening day while Bryant will be in Iowa.

The point isn't who's better.  The point, I think that Sheehan is making, is that it seems dumb to have Baez ahead of Russell on the depth chart.  I just don't think that's true and, furthermore, I think it's kind of a dumb game to play.  The odds are greatly stacked against a 21 year old having success at the major league level without significant playing time in AAA.  We can talk about hitting approach or defense or strike outs or whatever.  The fact is, if it came down to Baez vs Russell starting for The Cubs on May 1st (or whatever date in the near future), I'd take Baez.  Maybe what I'm saying is that, in this case, tenure matters.

[SKO]

After thinking about this all afternoon, I do think that Sheehan has a point.

Let's say that Castro gets hurt on May 1.  Who gets the call-up?  If your answer is Russell, I think you're wrong and I think many in the industry would think you're wrong.  Baez, as it currently stands, is higher on the depth chart than Russell.  That may not be the case by the All-Star break (I kind of hope it's still the case cause it would mean Baez is having a damn good year) but it is the case now.

Russell has just over 1000 PA in the minors, including 13 in AAA.
Baez has 1350 PA in the minors, including 430 in AAA.  Plus, whatever he got in the majors last year.

I'm not saying the depth chart is right or wrong but I can see why Baez is thought of to be "ahead" of Russell right now.

Also if all you're using is Baez having more experience and ABs doesn't that just go back to my original glib answer of "no" for Sheehan's question about whether there's any reason other than tenure to put Baez ahead of Russell?  The fact is consensus is most definitely that Russell is the better prospect,  depth chart be damned (if we're going depth chart would Sheehan say Olt is ahead of Bryant?). Sheehan's sentence made it sound like the consensus is Baez> Russell and I don't think that's remotely true.

1.  I meant the idea that Sheehan is arguing against some strawman is not true.

If Castro got hurt, they'd also have the option of putting Alcantara at short and bringing somebody else up. The point of Baez in Iowa is for him to figure out the strike zone and make contact. Throwing him back into the big league fire before that and you just got yourself the next Corey Patterson or Felix Pie.

2.  Regardless of who gets the call first, I'm pretty sure that Baez is still further up on the depth chart than Russell...right now.

Also if all you're using is Baez having more experience and ABs doesn't that just go back to my original glib answer of "no" for Sheehan's question about whether there's any reason other than tenure to put Baez ahead of Russell?  The fact is consensus is most definitely that Russell is the better prospect,  depth chart be damned (if we're going depth chart would Sheehan say Olt is ahead of Bryant?). Sheehan's sentence made it sound like the consensus is Baez> Russell and I don't think that's remotely true.

3.  Olt is ahead of Bryant on the depth chart seeing as how Olt will, presumably, be the starting 3B on opening day while Bryant will be in Iowa.

The point isn't who's better.  The point, I think that Sheehan is making, is that it seems dumb to have Baez ahead of Russell on the depth chart.  I just don't think that's true and, furthermore, I think it's kind of a dumb game to play.  The odds are greatly stacked against a 21 year old having success at the major league level without significant playing time in AAA.  We can talk about hitting approach or defense or strike outs or whatever.  The fact is, if it came down to Baez vs Russell starting for The Cubs on May 1st (or whatever date in the near future), I'd take Baez.  Maybe what I'm saying is that, in this case, tenure matters.

Your argument makes sense to me, but I still don't think that's what he's trying to say. I declare this debate over anyway because I'm bored with it.

Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.

[Quality Start Machine]

Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.

What a world we live in, where Jorge Soler is one of the least-discussed prospects in the Cubs' system, because it's basically a given that he's going to fucking rule.

He is indeed a beautiful man.

[Oleg]

Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.

I'd join his cult.

[Powdered Toast Man]

Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.

I'd join his cult.

Holy crap, that contact.

PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.

[SKO]

Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.

I'd join his cult.

Holy crap, that contact.

PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.

Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.

[Powdered Toast Man]

Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.

I'd join his cult.

Holy crap, that contact.

PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.

Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.

Addison Russell.

[Eli]

Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.

I'd join his cult.

Holy crap, that contact.

PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.

Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.

Addison Russell.

I doubt someone who's currently below Baez is going to get ROTY.

[Oleg]

Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.

I'd join his cult.

Holy crap, that contact.

PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.

Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.

Addison Russell.

I doubt someone who's currently below Baez is going to get ROTY.

But, Baez might.  Right?

[SKO]

Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.

I'd join his cult.

Holy crap, that contact.

PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.

Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.

Addison Russell.

I doubt someone who's currently below Baez is going to get ROTY.

But, Baez might.  Right?

Baez has too many ABs to qualify I thought

[Oleg]

Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.

I'd join his cult.

Holy crap, that contact.

PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.

Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.

Addison Russell.

I doubt someone who's currently below Baez is going to get ROTY.

But, Baez might.  Right?

Baez has too many ABs to qualify I thought

You're right.  Stupid depth chart.

[PenFoe]

Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.

I'd join his cult.

Holy crap, that contact.

PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.

Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.

Addison Russell.

I doubt someone who's currently below Baez is going to get ROTY.

But, Baez might.  Right?

Only because Hedricks had too many IPs in 2014 to qualify this year.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.

I'd join his cult.

Holy crap, that contact.

PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.

Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.

That's not what happened in 1989.

[Quality Start Machine]

Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.

I'd join his cult.

Holy crap, that contact.

PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.

Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.

That's not what happened in 1989.

You could put Dwight Smith on Jerome Walton's shoulders and you still wouldn't get Jorge Soler.