Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread

[PenFoe]

DPD, errors are also a terrible stat for measuring how good a guy is defensively.

Especially in the minors, where the fields suck and you're less likely to get bailed out on poor throws.

Pen's the reason Derek Jeter won a gold glove. Errors my ass.

Oh and since I already used him as an example, Beltre made 37 errors one year in the minors. Peniswrong again!

Errors are not a good stat, that's fine, but you can still use them directionally. 

Or you could read people who are writing about the Cubs minor leagues who say he's been poor defensively this year.

Either way. 

[SKO]

DPD, errors are also a terrible stat for measuring how good a guy is defensively.

Especially in the minors, where the fields suck and you're less likely to get bailed out on poor throws.

Pen's the reason Derek Jeter won a gold glove. Errors my ass.

Oh and since I already used him as an example, Beltre made 37 errors one year in the minors. Peniswrong again!

Errors are not a good stat, that's fine, but you can still use them directionally. 

Or you could read people who are writing about the Cubs minor leagues who say he's been poor defensively this year.

Either way. 

Oh so we've now evolved to citing other bloggers as our defense. Tell me, do you have anything about Christian Villanueva not being a long term fit at 3B defensively other than errors and "some guys you read"? Can you at least name these guys?

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

All I know is Baez made something like 40 errors two years ago so I figured we were getting a good-hit, no defense shortstop.

And then I saw him play both middle infield positions at the major league level for 2 months to clearly see that he was a legit defensive player and it got me off errors-as-a-measurement once and for all.

[PenFoe]

DPD, errors are also a terrible stat for measuring how good a guy is defensively.

Especially in the minors, where the fields suck and you're less likely to get bailed out on poor throws.

Pen's the reason Derek Jeter won a gold glove. Errors my ass.

Oh and since I already used him as an example, Beltre made 37 errors one year in the minors. Peniswrong again!

Errors are not a good stat, that's fine, but you can still use them directionally. 

Or you could read people who are writing about the Cubs minor leagues who say he's been poor defensively this year.

Either way. 

Oh so we've now evolved to citing other bloggers as our defense. Tell me, do you have anything about Christian Villanueva not being a long term fit at 3B defensively other than errors and "some guys you read"? Can you at least name these guys?

Well, since I'm not a scout and I don't watch the games, I'm not sure what else you'd like to go on here.

I think citing "people who watch the games" is probably a decent source, considering the circumstances here. 

Hell, you're in Iowa, why don't you go and tell us? 

His fielding percentage is also way down this year, though his Range Factor is fine. 

[SKO]

DPD, errors are also a terrible stat for measuring how good a guy is defensively.

Especially in the minors, where the fields suck and you're less likely to get bailed out on poor throws.

Pen's the reason Derek Jeter won a gold glove. Errors my ass.

Oh and since I already used him as an example, Beltre made 37 errors one year in the minors. Peniswrong again!

Errors are not a good stat, that's fine, but you can still use them directionally.  

Or you could read people who are writing about the Cubs minor leagues who say he's been poor defensively this year.

Either way.  

Oh so we've now evolved to citing other bloggers as our defense. Tell me, do you have anything about Christian Villanueva not being a long term fit at 3B defensively other than errors and "some guys you read"? Can you at least name these guys?

Well, since I'm not a scout and I don't watch the games, I'm not sure what else you'd like to go on here.

I think citing "people who watch the games" is probably a decent source, considering the circumstances here.  

Hell, you're in Iowa, why don't you go and tell us?  

His fielding percentage is also way down this year, though his Range Factor is fine.  

Fielding percentage is based solely on errors so that makes sense. I'm glad your vague non-existent source (which is probably just the Cubs Den guy who ALSO says he sees Villanueva sticking at 3B long term anyway) is more authoritative than range factor and him being drafted as a 3B, developed as a 3B, and ranked as a top 100 prospect at one point largely because of his glove.

[SKO]

Oh and I actually watched Villanueva's first game at Iowa this year, with Wada pitching, he made several nice diving stops and his throws looked great. I'm now a certified expert on the Pen Scale.

[PenFoe]

Oh and I actually watched Villanueva's first game at Iowa this year, with Wada pitching, he made several nice diving stops and his throws looked great. I'm now a certified expert on the Pen Scale.

Seems like a pretty small sample size.

[R-V]

Oh and I actually watched Villanueva's first game at Iowa this year, with Wada pitching, he made several nice diving stops and his throws looked great. I'm now a certified expert on the Pen Scale.

Seems like a pretty small sample size.

Barely even registers on the Tocco Scale.

[SKO]

When Villanueva is starting at 3B three years from now for a last place AL team I'll have my day. I'll have my fucking day.

[PenFoe]

When Villanueva is starting at 3B three years from now for a last place AL team I'll have my day. I'll have my fucking day.

Actually, Arguello will have his day.

I think he's a second division starter (at 3B)  as far as his ceiling is concerned, assuming he cleans up the defense, but the Cubs are no longer a 2nd division team.  A team with a need at 3B and looking for cost control (i.e. a rebuilding team) may be able to use him.

[SKO]

When Villanueva is starting at 3B three years from now for a last place AL team I'll have my day. I'll have my fucking day.

Actually, Arguello will have his day.

I think he's a second division starter (at 3B)  as far as his ceiling is concerned, assuming he cleans up the defense, but the Cubs are no longer a 2nd division team.  A team with a need at 3B and looking for cost control (i.e. a rebuilding team) may be able to use him.

Either way he's a third baseman and you're a dope.

[Quality Start Machine]

So Christian Villaneuva is basically Spanish for Mike Olt. Let's move on.

[SKO]

So Christian Villaneuva is basically Spanish for Mike Olt. Let's move on.

Other than being not even remotely comparable, profile-wise, as hitters, this is spot on! And Mike Olt was once traded to a rebuilding team for a quality starting pitcher, so, yeah, this is exactly what we're trying to accomplish here.

But seriously Villanueva's struck out 21 times this year. Olt's K'd twice that much while on the DL.

[CT III]

So Christian Villaneuva is basically Spanish for Mike Olt. Let's move on.

Other than being not even remotely comparable, profile-wise, as hitters, this is spot on! And Mike Olt was once traded to a rebuilding team for a quality starting pitcher, so, yeah, this is exactly what we're trying to accomplish here.

But seriously Villanueva's struck out 21 times this year. Olt's K'd twice that much while on the DL.

I'm glad that SKO's frighteningly rapid descent into Hueyhood has been recorded on this messageboard for posterity, otherwise I might not believe it.

[SKO]

So Christian Villaneuva is basically Spanish for Mike Olt. Let's move on.

Other than being not even remotely comparable, profile-wise, as hitters, this is spot on! And Mike Olt was once traded to a rebuilding team for a quality starting pitcher, so, yeah, this is exactly what we're trying to accomplish here.

But seriously Villanueva's struck out 21 times this year. Olt's K'd twice that much while on the DL.

I'm glad that SKO's frighteningly rapid descent into Hueyhood has been recorded on this messageboard for posterity, otherwise I might not believe it.

Don't blame me for Pen saying something stupid. Not gonna just sit here and let him be wrong.