Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread

[Saul Goodman]

DPD.  Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog.  

ex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)

(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).

Seems like a weird collateral swipe.  Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"?  Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.

Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol.  Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy.  He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason.  I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable.  He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins.  It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy!  Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair.  (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.)  Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out.  Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least.  They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money.  Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.

Then there's this:

however, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.

Really?  I don't think so.

[Internet Apex]

DPD.  Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog.  

ex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)

(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).

Seems like a weird collateral swipe.  Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"?  Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.

Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol.  Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy.  He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason.  I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable.  He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins.  It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy!  Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair.  (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.)  Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out.  Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least.  They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money.  Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.

Then there's this:

however, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.

Really?  I don't think so.

A number of moves: He names two. Jackson and Fujikawa. Neither of which apply.

[Slaky]

DPD.  Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog. 

ex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)

(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).

Seems like a weird collateral swipe.  Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"?  Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.

Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol.  Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy.  He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason.  I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable.  He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins.  It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy!  Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair.  (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.)  Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out.  Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least.  They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money.  Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.

Then there's this:

however, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.

Really?  I don't think so.

A number of moves: He names two. Jackson and Fujikawa. Neither of which apply.

It's a bizarre article when you consider it's been LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF.

Invoking Kevin Gregg's name in an article about what I suppose is the author's take on a rebuilding failure (?) is complete horseshit. He's a no one. A retread meant to get outs while they figure out who they can flip.

Who the hell expected the Cubs to be .500? How many times has the front office said there's no reason to win 75 games instead of 72 or 65 or whatever.

[BH]

DPD.  Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog. 

ex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)

(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).

Seems like a weird collateral swipe.  Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"?  Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.

Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol.  Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy.  He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason.  I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable.  He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins.  It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy!  Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair.  (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.)  Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out.  Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least.  They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money.  Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.

Then there's this:

however, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.

Really?  I don't think so.

A number of moves: He names two. Jackson and Fujikawa. Neither of which apply.

It's a bizarre article when you consider it's been LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF.

Invoking Kevin Gregg's name in an article about what I suppose is the author's take on a rebuilding failure (?) is complete horseshit. He's a no one. A retread meant to get outs while they figure out who they can flip.

Who the hell expected the Cubs to be .500? How many times has the front office said there's no reason to win 75 games instead of 72 or 65 or whatever.

You could argue Gregg was an incredible pickup, we picked him off the scrap heap and he will be traded for a decent prospect from a playoff team that needs help.

Also, I'm pretty sure Huey wants a team that is .500, but he's the only one. I'd rather have 2 more years of crap teams, high draft picks.

[Gilgamesh]

DPD.  Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog.  

ex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)

(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).

Seems like a weird collateral swipe.  Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"?  Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.

Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol.  Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy.  He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason.  I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable.  He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins.  It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy!  Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair.  (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.)  Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out.  Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least.  They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money.  Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.

Then there's this:

however, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.

Really?  I don't think so.

A number of moves: He names two. Jackson and Fujikawa. Neither of which apply.

It's a bizarre article when you consider it's been LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF.

Invoking Kevin Gregg's name in an article about what I suppose is the author's take on a rebuilding failure (?) is complete horseshit. He's a no one. A retread meant to get outs while they figure out who they can flip.

Who the hell expected the Cubs to be .500? How many times has the front office said there's no reason to win 75 games instead of 72 or 65 or whatever.

You could argue Gregg was an incredible pickup, we picked him off the scrap heap and he will be traded for a decent prospect from a playoff team that needs help.

Also, I'm pretty sure Huey wants a team that is .500, but he's the only one. I'd rather have 2 more years of crap teams, high draft picks.

I think I can recall at least two or three times this season where the Cubs' Pythagorean record had them somewhere either at .500 or one game below that number.

The current team is not godawful like the Marlins, but they could have been a bit better this year save for their bullpen woes.

But even if they were .500, it doesn't really matter by this point.  A winning season or .500 season would be nice, certainly, but it does nothing in the big picture to affect the overall plan.

When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record.  Until then, BFD.

[Saul Goodman]

DPD.  Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog. 

ex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)

(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).

Seems like a weird collateral swipe.  Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"?  Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.

Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol.  Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy.  He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason.  I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable.  He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins.  It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy!  Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair.  (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.)  Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out.  Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least.  They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money.  Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.

Then there's this:

however, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.

Really?  I don't think so.

A number of moves: He names two. Jackson and Fujikawa. Neither of which apply.

It's a bizarre article when you consider it's been LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF.

Invoking Kevin Gregg's name in an article about what I suppose is the author's take on a rebuilding failure (?) is complete horseshit. He's a no one. A retread meant to get outs while they figure out who they can flip.

Who the hell expected the Cubs to be .500? How many times has the front office said there's no reason to win 75 games instead of 72 or 65 or whatever.

You could argue Gregg was an incredible pickup, we picked him off the scrap heap and he will be traded for a decent prospect from a playoff team that needs help.

Also, I'm pretty sure Huey wants a team that is .500, but he's the only one. I'd rather have 2 more years of crap teams, high draft picks.

I think I can recall at least two or three times this season where the Cubs' Pythagorean record had them somewhere either at .500 or one game below that number.

The current team is not godawful like the Marlins, but they could have been a bit better this year save for their bullpen woes.

But even if they were .500, it doesn't really matter by this point.  A winning season or .500 season would be nice, certainly, but it does nothing in the big picture to affect the overall plan.

When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record.  Until then, BFD.

If anything, it hurts the plan by diminishing the value they could have by picking later in the draft.  Punt on this season and next for all I care.

[Gilgamesh]

DPD.  Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog. 

ex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)

(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).

Seems like a weird collateral swipe.  Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"?  Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.

Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol.  Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy.  He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason.  I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable.  He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins.  It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy!  Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair.  (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.)  Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out.  Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least.  They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money.  Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.

Then there's this:

however, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.

Really?  I don't think so.

A number of moves: He names two. Jackson and Fujikawa. Neither of which apply.

It's a bizarre article when you consider it's been LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF.

Invoking Kevin Gregg's name in an article about what I suppose is the author's take on a rebuilding failure (?) is complete horseshit. He's a no one. A retread meant to get outs while they figure out who they can flip.

Who the hell expected the Cubs to be .500? How many times has the front office said there's no reason to win 75 games instead of 72 or 65 or whatever.

You could argue Gregg was an incredible pickup, we picked him off the scrap heap and he will be traded for a decent prospect from a playoff team that needs help.

Also, I'm pretty sure Huey wants a team that is .500, but he's the only one. I'd rather have 2 more years of crap teams, high draft picks.

I think I can recall at least two or three times this season where the Cubs' Pythagorean record had them somewhere either at .500 or one game below that number.

The current team is not godawful like the Marlins, but they could have been a bit better this year save for their bullpen woes.

But even if they were .500, it doesn't really matter by this point.  A winning season or .500 season would be nice, certainly, but it does nothing in the big picture to affect the overall plan.

When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record.  Until then, BFD.

If anything, it hurts the plan by diminishing the value they could have by picking later in the draft.  Punt on this season and next for all I care.

You're right.  DATS WHY ILL BE WEARING MY A'S HAT NEXT WEEK, MY FRENTS!!

[Slaky]

DPD.  Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog. 

ex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)

(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).

Seems like a weird collateral swipe.  Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"?  Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.

Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol.  Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy.  He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason.  I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable.  He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins.  It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy!  Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair.  (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.)  Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out.  Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least.  They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money.  Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.

Then there's this:

however, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.

Really?  I don't think so.

A number of moves: He names two. Jackson and Fujikawa. Neither of which apply.

It's a bizarre article when you consider it's been LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF.

Invoking Kevin Gregg's name in an article about what I suppose is the author's take on a rebuilding failure (?) is complete horseshit. He's a no one. A retread meant to get outs while they figure out who they can flip.

Who the hell expected the Cubs to be .500? How many times has the front office said there's no reason to win 75 games instead of 72 or 65 or whatever.

You could argue Gregg was an incredible pickup, we picked him off the scrap heap and he will be traded for a decent prospect from a playoff team that needs help.

Also, I'm pretty sure Huey wants a team that is .500, but he's the only one. I'd rather have 2 more years of crap teams, high draft picks.

He has been a great pickup. A few of the replacement level players have done better than they were supposed to. Gregg is one, Valbuena, Ransom, and Ryan Sweeney are all hitting pretty well despite being AAAA type guys.

So with a roster full of those types who the hell was expecting some kind of miracle turnaround to suggest some metaphorical ship was being righted? The work is being done at the lower levels.

The author was grilled on Twitter by two very smart dudes who I like to hear talk about baseball and the author's contention was like Al's: prospects fail and the Cubs don't have a lot of pitching depth.

NO SHIT. Where are they supposed to come from? How about...the draft? And trades?

That's why you acquire MANY prospects.

Maybe I'm the crazy one here.

[Chuck to Chuck]

When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record.  Until then, BFD.

If anything, it hurts the plan by diminishing the value they could have by picking later in the draft.  Punt on this season and next for all I care.

And it hurts the ability to sign free agents. Theo said he wants to either win or get a protected (bottom 9 record) pick. I'm with him. Being .500 is detrimental to this team at present.

[BH]

When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record.  Until then, BFD.

If anything, it hurts the plan by diminishing the value they could have by picking later in the draft.  Punt on this season and next for all I care.

And it hurts the ability to sign free agents. Theo said he wants to either win or get a protected (bottom 9 record) pick. I'm with him. Being .500 is detrimental to this team at present.

How does it hurt?

[Gilgamesh]

When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record.  Until then, BFD.

If anything, it hurts the plan by diminishing the value they could have by picking later in the draft.  Punt on this season and next for all I care.

And it hurts the ability to sign free agents. Theo said he wants to either win or get a protected (bottom 9 record) pick. I'm with him. Being .500 is detrimental to this team at present.

How does it hurt?

The evidence would suggest that at this point, it hasn't limited their capacity to do so.

Granted they're not targeting high-profile guys who would probably say no to a rebuilding team, but they've still been able to get the AAAA-type and decent MLB-caliber players so far.

They just have to pay a bit above market for them.

[Internet Apex]

Before we all slob Kevin Gregg down. And I know I'm just dying to do so, I think his inclusion in the article was meant to illustrate the lack of organizational pitching depth, which is a big problem, but not Theo and Jed's fault.

Also, Gregg sucks. I just pray his regression happens sometime after July 31. Then I'll get in line to blow him.

[Slaky]

Before we all slob Kevin Gregg down. And I know I'm just dying to do so, I think his inclusion in the article was meant to illustrate the lack of organizational pitching depth, which is a big problem, but not Theo and Jed's fault.

Also, Gregg sucks. I just pray his regression happens sometime after July 31. Then I'll get in line to blow him.

Don't get me wrong, I want him to go away. You can make the case that his role on the team speaks to the lack of depth. Many things speak to that.

You could also argue that the role of closer on a horseshit baseball team is hardly worth thinking about.

[Internet Apex]

Before we all slob Kevin Gregg down. And I know I'm just dying to do so, I think his inclusion in the article was meant to illustrate the lack of organizational pitching depth, which is a big problem, but not Theo and Jed's fault.

Also, Gregg sucks. I just pray his regression happens sometime after July 31. Then I'll get in line to blow him.

Don't get me wrong, I want him to go away. You can make the case that his role on the team speaks to the lack of depth. Many things speak to that.

You could also argue that the role of closer on a horseshit baseball team is hardly worth thinking about.

I definitely try not to. But Fantasy Baseball...

[Saul Goodman]

When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record.  Until then, BFD.

If anything, it hurts the plan by diminishing the value they could have by picking later in the draft.  Punt on this season and next for all I care.

And it hurts the ability to sign free agents. Theo said he wants to either win or get a protected (bottom 9 record) pick. I'm with him. Being .500 is detrimental to this team at present.

How does it hurt?

Ignore him.  "free agents" = "Robinson Fucking Cano"