Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread

[Eli]

If San Francisco had a halfway decent hitter behind Barriod he wouldn't have walked 872 times in 5 years.

You don't know that.

[Slaky]

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Except Rizzo wasn't meh

I'll bite: what was he, then?

Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.

I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.  

[Quality Start Machine]

If San Francisco had a halfway decent hitter behind Barriod he wouldn't have walked 872 times in 5 years.

You don't know that.

Yes I do. 306 of those were intentional, including 120 in 2004. There was no fear of whoever was on deck while he was leaving his body armor in the batter's box.

[Eli]

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.

If he never turns into an elite hitter, that's going to be disappointing, no matter how good his glove is at first base.

I agree. I also think he's going to improve as a hitter, especially as he starts getting more some protection in the lineup.

Lineup protection: Not a real thing.

Just because Fangraphs says it doesn't make it gospel. If San Francisco had a halfway decent hitter behind Barriod he wouldn't have walked 872 times in 5 years.

That author seems satisfied with his conclusion after observing one of the best offensive players in the past 20 years in his best season and finding that he mashed the fuck out of the ball no matter where he was in the lineup. I think we need more information.

You can Google "lineup protection myth" and find dozens of articles. Basically, guys will get a few more hits but that's canceled out by fewer walks. There's no discernible difference in value.

[R-V]

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Except Rizzo wasn't meh

I'll bite: what was he, then?

Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.

I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.  

It's definitely an expectation thing. If Rizzo was a top 10 prospect on par with your Javier Baezez or your Kris Bryant'z of the world, the Cubs wouldn't have been able to snag him (Baseball America had him as #47 after his 2011 season where he had amazing #s in the PCL and shitty ones in San Diego). But because Cubes fans were starved for good news and he was Jedstink's first major acquisition, he came up with the expectations you'd normally attach to a much more highly ranked prospect.

[Slaky]

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Except Rizzo wasn't meh

I'll bite: what was he, then?

Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.

I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.  

It's definitely an expectation thing. If Rizzo was a top 10 prospect on par with your Javier Baezez or your Kris Bryant'z of the world, the Cubs wouldn't have been able to snag him (Baseball America had him as #47 after his 2011 season where he had amazing #s in the PCL and shitty ones in San Diego). But because Cubes fans were starved for good news and he was Jedstink's first major acquisition, he came up with the expectations you'd normally attach to a much more highly ranked prospect.

Yeah - exactly that.

So while Rizzo isn't going to be the next Cabrera, he can at least provide you with a guy who gets on base at a decent clip, will get you 70-80 XBH and very good defense.

The power that Bryant and Baez could bring would make that from Rizzo pretty acceptable - right?

[Quality Start Machine]

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Except Rizzo wasn't meh

I'll bite: what was he, then?

Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.

I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.  

It's definitely an expectation thing. If Rizzo was a top 10 prospect on par with your Javier Baezez or your Kris Bryant'z of the world, the Cubs wouldn't have been able to snag him (Baseball America had him as #47 after his 2011 season where he had amazing #s in the PCL and shitty ones in San Diego). But because Cubes fans were starved for good news and he was Jedstink's first major acquisition, he came up with the expectations you'd normally attach to a much more highly ranked prospect.

Yeah - exactly that.

So while Rizzo isn't going to be the next Cabrera, he can at least provide you with a guy who gets on base at a decent clip, will get you 70-80 XBH and very good defense.

The power that Bryant and Baez could bring would make that from Rizzo pretty acceptable - right?

Rizzo could very well wind up being the #6 hitter in this future lineup, depending on how Soler shakes out - that's figuring 1-4 is Almora, Castro, Bryant, Baez.

[Yeti]

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Except Rizzo wasn't meh

I'll bite: what was he, then?

Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.

I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.  

It's definitely an expectation thing. If Rizzo was a top 10 prospect on par with your Javier Baezez or your Kris Bryant'z of the world, the Cubs wouldn't have been able to snag him (Baseball America had him as #47 after his 2011 season where he had amazing #s in the PCL and shitty ones in San Diego). But because Cubes fans were starved for good news and he was Jedstink's first major acquisition, he came up with the expectations you'd normally attach to a much more highly ranked prospect.

Yeah - exactly that.

So while Rizzo isn't going to be the next Cabrera, he can at least provide you with a guy who gets on base at a decent clip, will get you 70-80 XBH and very good defense.

The power that Bryant and Baez could bring would make that from Rizzo pretty acceptable - right?

Rizzo could very well wind up being the #6 hitter in this future lineup, depending on how Soler shakes out - that's figuring 1-4 is Almora, Castro, Bryant, Baez.

4 Mexos, 1 Italian, and only one 'murican? The fuck, Epstink

[Slaky]

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Except Rizzo wasn't meh

I'll bite: what was he, then?

Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.

I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.  

It's definitely an expectation thing. If Rizzo was a top 10 prospect on par with your Javier Baezez or your Kris Bryant'z of the world, the Cubs wouldn't have been able to snag him (Baseball America had him as #47 after his 2011 season where he had amazing #s in the PCL and shitty ones in San Diego). But because Cubes fans were starved for good news and he was Jedstink's first major acquisition, he came up with the expectations you'd normally attach to a much more highly ranked prospect.

Yeah - exactly that.

So while Rizzo isn't going to be the next Cabrera, he can at least provide you with a guy who gets on base at a decent clip, will get you 70-80 XBH and very good defense.

The power that Bryant and Baez could bring would make that from Rizzo pretty acceptable - right?

Rizzo could very well wind up being the #6 hitter in this future lineup, depending on how Soler shakes out - that's figuring 1-4 is Almora, Castro, Bryant, Baez.

I just don't see a way that all of those guys make it to that point. No way.

[PenFoe]

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Except Rizzo wasn't meh

I'll bite: what was he, then?

Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.

I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.  

It's definitely an expectation thing. If Rizzo was a top 10 prospect on par with your Javier Baezez or your Kris Bryant'z of the world, the Cubs wouldn't have been able to snag him (Baseball America had him as #47 after his 2011 season where he had amazing #s in the PCL and shitty ones in San Diego). But because Cubes fans were starved for good news and he was Jedstink's first major acquisition, he came up with the expectations you'd normally attach to a much more highly ranked prospect.

Yeah - exactly that.

So while Rizzo isn't going to be the next Cabrera, he can at least provide you with a guy who gets on base at a decent clip, will get you 70-80 XBH and very good defense.

The power that Bryant and Baez could bring would make that from Rizzo pretty acceptable - right?

Rizzo could very well wind up being the #6 hitter in this future lineup, depending on how Soler shakes out - that's figuring 1-4 is Almora, Castro, Bryant, Baez.

I just don't see a way that all of those guys make it to that point. No way.

Especially Castro.

[Quality Start Machine]

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Except Rizzo wasn't meh

I'll bite: what was he, then?

Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.

I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.  

It's definitely an expectation thing. If Rizzo was a top 10 prospect on par with your Javier Baezez or your Kris Bryant'z of the world, the Cubs wouldn't have been able to snag him (Baseball America had him as #47 after his 2011 season where he had amazing #s in the PCL and shitty ones in San Diego). But because Cubes fans were starved for good news and he was Jedstink's first major acquisition, he came up with the expectations you'd normally attach to a much more highly ranked prospect.

Yeah - exactly that.

So while Rizzo isn't going to be the next Cabrera, he can at least provide you with a guy who gets on base at a decent clip, will get you 70-80 XBH and very good defense.

The power that Bryant and Baez could bring would make that from Rizzo pretty acceptable - right?

Rizzo could very well wind up being the #6 hitter in this future lineup, depending on how Soler shakes out - that's figuring 1-4 is Almora, Castro, Bryant, Baez.

I just don't see a way that all of those guys make it to that point. No way.

Especially Castro.

This is the year where we find out if Castro's head is really not screwed on straight, or if Swaim fucked him up somehow.

[Saul Goodman]

Bryant 0-for-4 with two strikeouts in the AFL championship game. NOT CLUTCH, NOT A WINNER. EPSTINK IS TERRIBLE

[BH]

Bryant 0-for-4 with two strikeouts in the AFL championship game. NOT CLUTCH, NOT A WINNER. EPSTINK IS TERRIBLE

He still won the MVP award and is in some very elite company.

"Bryant joins Jason Dubois (2003) and Sam Fuld (2007) as the only other Cubs prospects to win the MVP of the Fall League."

[Quality Start Machine]

Bryant 0-for-4 with two strikeouts in the AFL championship game. NOT CLUTCH, NOT A WINNER. EPSTINK IS TERRIBLE

He still won the MVP award and is in some very elite company.

"Bryant joins Jason Dubois (2003) and Sam Fuld (2007) as the only other Cubs prospects to win the MVP of the Fall League."

Bryant is too tall to ever enter into Cubs folklore like SAM FULD did.

[Saul Goodman]

Cubs add Arismendy Alcantara and Dallas Beeler to the 40-man roster, protecting them from the Rule 5 draft.